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The Best Way To Pay Off Your Student Loans (In 3 Sad 'New Normal' Words)
Not exactly the American Dream but, as the following brief clip explains, due to the depth of debt and lack of opportunities, the best way to pay down student debt is to "live at home"... not exactly the first-time homeowner pillar of the housing recovery hopium The Fed was hoping to hear (but then again, as we noted previously, they should have known better than to push every unemployed youth into a life of debt servitude)...
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3 words? Vote for Hillary
It's sad, actually it's beyond sad, but there are scores of lefty-chicks who are ready to vote for her simply because she possesses the "right" genitalia. Meanwhile Saul Alinsky, the only man she ever loved, is discoing down with Lucifer in the Fellatio A Go Go in Hades....
They said the average student's starting job pays $45,000.
NO FUCKING WAY
Only 1/3 of graduates get full time jobs with bennies, and many of those pay hourly wages.
Another 1/3 flip burgers
Another 1/3, well, ain't any fucking $45,000 jobs they be gittin', folks
Future bullet catchers for Uncle Scam
My kids could live with us, but only the senior med student has any debt, and will finish with $60k of it (could be worse).
We miss them, but we're helping them as much as we can.
The engineer graduated in May and was employed by June, and the younger 2 are employed (bike mechanic & math TA) as they go to college.
A video for blithering idiots.
It speaks so warmly of our future as a nation.
paw-paw said to pay the least amount possible and convert all unspent wages into pm
then he and maw-maw looked at each other and laughed
later she explained what the laughing was about
"it's the advice his paw-paw gave him. and he wasn't able to follow it either."
then she held my hands and said "we're real sorry about what's going to happen to you. but we'll be long gone. and we sure have enjoyed the ride."
only rich can afford not to go to college and get a seat on the board of directors at Coke.
see Buffetts
For a 20 you can afford some coke to!
"It's sad, actually it's beyond sad, but there are scores of lefty-chicks who are ready to vote for her simply because she possesses the "right" genitalia. Meanwhile Saul Alinsky, the only man she ever loved, is discoing down with Lucifer in the Fellatio A Go Go in Hades..."
wow.. all that might be added is that Bill Ayres could have been in the tryst.
Webb Hubbell got some of that as well, just look at the offspring's face and tell me otherwise.
DaddyO
Webb's conditions were reasonable and few: 1) Hil must be sedated. 2) Hil must wear Marilyn Monroe mask.
Three words
Eat a bullets
A story made up for this thread. Your parents would be so proud of you.
Coming soon.
Daycare loans.
To qualify, you need to be 4-12 years old. You sign the form with fingerpaint. These loans can be deferred to after college, but the interest acrues. If your really savvy, you can sign mom and dad as the daycare providers, help bring some extra income to the house. But be carefull,they cross reference social security numbers. It could mess with the child care deduction or earned income tax credit.
Ohhhhhhhh kay, we just need a final palm-smudge here on the dotted line, and, we're good to go! Say, do you think mommy would like a new car?
I would like to point out the fatally flawed premise of the piece...
To wit: once any offspring becomes 18, "home" ceases to be their parents' house. That they have a free place to stay makes them no less homeless.
"Future bullet catchers for Uncle Scam"
Future bullet throwers and catchers for Uncle Scam
Sorry, I just had to fix it.
An American, not US subject.
Springsteen
Or 'clincial trial specialists', choosing from a 'diverse' selection including: (1) Ebola; (2) SARS (v3.41); (3) MERS (v2.1); and (4) contagious malaria.
Watch it again. The graphic showed an average debt of 29500 or so, and then the graphic showed $45000 salary , but the narrarator said " average debt is $29500 and and salaries are not much higher.
Dont forget the Parental Unit also carries an equal amount of debt as the student as i recall.
My thought exactly. What jobs are kids actually getting these days, at what hour and wage.
This may come as a shock to the (many) right-wing nuts here, but the candidacies of Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren raise a pertinent question from the progressive point of view as well. Even today in the year 2014, and in the age of president Obama, what are the odds of the first female president of the United States becoming something other than a blond-haired, blue-eyed "Aryan" woman?
When you realize the answer to this question is essentially: "None at all", it makes one wonder whether American society has progressed as much as it would like to tell itself. This social issue is compounded by media phenomena such as "Missing White Woman Syndrome"; a prevalent instance of racial discrimination in Western media outlets that apparently has enough relevance to merit its own Wikipedia page.
"Even today in the year 2014, and in the age of president Obama, what are the odds of the first female president of the United States becoming something other than a blond-haired, blue-eyed "Aryan" woman?
When you realize the answer to this question is essentially: "None at all", it makes one wonder whether American society has progressed as much as it would like to tell itself."
Well, the progressives have looked through that PC-lens and tried that once with "the first head of the Secret Service being a brunette haired, green-eyed woman" and it was starting to appear like Julia Pierson might end up getting a sitting president killed.
I say the progs should make it Hitlary and whoever the White House maid is, afterall it was the maid who discovered the bullet holes in the plexiglass...not Julia Pierson.
For your review ;-)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/Julia_Pierson_USSS.jpg
@Eirik Magnus Larssen
What is the word for someone who is so obsessed with race that it influences every thought and decision in thier life, even(especially?) on completely unrelated topics?
*Hint* it's a word you people accuse everyone else of being.
I'll try!!! I'll TRY!!!!!
Is it Sharpton? No?
Is it Duke? No?
Then it must be Jackson!!!!
- Ned
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?402118-They-don-t-even-real...
Man, we haven't been able to sit through more than 30 seconds of SNL without getting severe gastro-intestinal problems for many a moon. Would bet our bottom dollar the entire cast, crew, and writers are all progressives. Which would explain why the show is now the opposite of funny. Hey Mr. Larssen, how is multi-culturalism working out in your once-glorious Sweden? When muslim hordes rape then behead your bull-dyke leaders will you shout, "Progress!!!"? Everyone please go to theresnoplacelikeutopia.com. Joel Gilbert's masterful film exposes communism/progressivism (same thing- watch the movie!) as the lunatic cult led by tyrants that it is. Time is short!
Buy Ebola life insurance. If Obama's CDC Director Tom Frieden has his way, Ebola hemorrhagic fever will take up permanent residence in the USA. Even in Frieden's favorite place, Fire Island.
Yep. I just reviewed Frieden' Wikipedia bio, and all the warning signs are there. Not that there's anything wrong with taking it up the ass, but, as Niall Ferguson noted, the gay scene's denizens are not noted for their committment to posterity, or to the long term in general.
Does that boy got sugar in his tank? Something didn't feel ,eh,er, seem right about him.
"He (Frieden) served as Commissioner of the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene from 2002–2009" So if you have poor mental hygiene are you guilty of thoughtcrime?
Correct me but isn't Whoring and selling Drugs the best??
Sarcasm....
Email death threats aimed at Harvard Asian students a hoax? http://tinyurl.com/mq2yvw8
Irony overload! The debt in the video is represented as a pyramid composed of dominos! Holy shit.
Syntax - I was up in NH recently and saw "It's Time for Hillary" bumper stickers.
That bitch is going to promise so much free shit that even Obamao will blush.
Birth. School. Work. Death.
You forgot taxes.
And making exhorbitant interest payments.
And then rinse and repete until YOU get it right.
+1 for the Godfathers reference.
Great tune...The Godfathers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5dcW0P75M
Birth...school..work..death..dannunu-nun-nuu... Who sang that song.. Remember seeing it on MTV back in the day...
Thx..
yea but....
Be"Rolling Homeless."
Or a professional Couch Surfer / Hitman
If a tent on squatted land is your home, you're not homeless.
EDIT: sarc
Live in your van for a dozen years.
I did
Down by the river?
@Alex
I've considered your lifestyle. Camper van with shower toilet kitchen. Break away from servitude. Any advice?
Wal-Mart parking lots will be your friend.
Government Cheese
Hey thanks! Where do I sign up?! Ugh...
A friend of mine in Austin lived in a van for a while. He built the whole thing out into a super efficient mini apartment. Showered at a gym, and cooked his meals on a fold out stove on the back door.
I suppose it's all about getting mad enough to not want to take it anymore. And to just let go of that ideal we've been led to believe is required to avoid ostracism, or expulsion. Isn't that slave mentality? I'm sure we'd find like-minded friends soon enough, especially in this socio-economic climate.
This guy has it figured out, works as a oil rig gate gaurd.
http://www.myoldrv.com/
http://www.cheaprvliving.com/
I bought a 24' motorhome to live in with a $245/mo payment instead of paying $700/mo to share a 1bd/1ba shithole with a buddy while I was going to school at UCSB. It was great for a while going to gym and showering before class but I soon found out that motorhomes were not welcome anywhere outside a campground in Santa Barbara County. I ended up having to work nights so I could avoid the zero dark 30 banging on my doors every night parking on the street or in parking lots and this was a nice motorhome not some mystery machine with 10 hippies living in it. Anyway it was fun while it lasted but I have no love lost for the chickenshit Isla Vista/Goleta/SB swine....
The other three words: student loan suicides.
Get it deffered as long as possible. There will probably be a debt jublie of some sort.
Even if there isn't, wait as long as possible to pay it off... in devalued dollars
exactly right go on the maximum length repayment plan
it's possible to keep deferring for 25 years. After which the debt is forgiven.
though ... there is possibility of a debt reset pegged to a dollar reset -- you continue to get paid in "old" worthless dollars, but your debt is redenominated to the "New" Dollar, pegged to something of "real" value. Today's outstanding debt could be much more onerous in the future.
Anyone have suggestions on getting deferments?
Play Russian roulette.
As far back as 1990 (the year I graduated college) I was already doing the math on the value of a 4 year degree. It looked a bit questionable back then if your major didn't prepare you to do something useful afterwards. I thought the math would keep getting worse as the costs of a college degree rose. I was wrong.
The costs of going to college mounted just as fast as the costs of NOT going to college, netting no relative advantage. College is not something the average family can pay out of pocket any more (they go into debt, or the student does). Meanwhile the cost of NOT going to college stacked up just as quickly because your earning potential has dropped to about dick without a college degree (excluding the typical handfull of people who are naturally talented and motivated enough they'll succeed no matter what the circumstances).
What used to be a vast market for unskilled and semi-skilled labor in the private sector has mutated into government make-work (usually union) jobs or just outright living on the dole + a little side money under the table.
FYI- India is chock full of PhDs who earn the equivalent of about 20-30K a year.
disagree
the average college grad today would be better off working at Mcdonalds and stashing away the money than going into 50K+ of debt, if not more.
how is anyone supposed to get ahead when they're ransacked with debt and making 30K a year (if they're lucky)
college makes sense if you're extremely motivated and smart (finish engineering degree in 3.5-4 years, multiple internships, etc)
college is a SCAM!!
"the average college grad today would be better off working at Mcdonalds and stashing away the money than going into 50K+ of debt, if not more."
Do you see the contradiction in that assertion? They NEVER HAD THE MONEY so there is none to stash away while flipping burgers. The value of the education vs. the debt required to get it is what's in question.
College has been a scam since at least the year I graduated. The question is whether it's MORE of a scam than it used to be. I think the answer is yes. But your prospects WITHOUT a degree have degraded at least equivalently.
somone with no debt working at mcdonalds can use that money towrd food or whatever
debtors cannot
"disagree
the average college grad today would be better off working at Mcdonalds and stashing away the money than going into 50K+ of debt, if not more."
Disagree, you are better off selling crack, buying a McDonalds and washing your money through it, then making hefty donations to your local, state and federal elected officials to get appointed to a fat federal government job. The contributions to the local officials keeps the popo off your back in the short term.
lol You'd have to work at McDonald's for 800 or so years to get enough money to attend a university. You MIGHT be able to work there for 350 years, and go to a community college.
If you could hit it big and work at Wal-Mart or get a job as a call center drone, you might be able to make it in half the time, but chances are - after you graduate, you'd just end up working as a call center drone or at Wal-Mart anyway, because some H1B gets every job you apply for, or there's nowhere to work anyway.
I once knew this stupid girl that graduated from a big university and she worked 2 part time jobs, at a shoe store and a restaurant. She had a Bachelor's degree in "Recreation Management"! When she told me what her Major was, it was so hard not to ask her, "where in the hell are you gonna work?". ROFL
I stopped at a coffee shop a couple of times in a small town. One day I chatted with the sullen girl behind the counter who told me she earned a criminal justice degree at the college in town. You could see the college's monument from the shop. She said there were no opportumities for her in that field. I am sure she had loans, since she did not seem propserous and it was a private college.
I had a friend in Highschool who I remember having this conservation with. He was weighing whether to borrow money to go to college or borrow money to open a pizzeria. He opened a pizzeria when he was 19 yrs old. Today he has 12 stores in the NE and makes a couple million dollars a year income.
I'm not particulary smart, but I was motivated.
Had been laid off from a position and could have transferred to another if I only had a college degree.
Went on welfare and food stamps, continued to work odd jobs as I could find them which made monthly reporting of income a painful affair. California does NOT was fathers in the home, particularly when they insist on working.
Found out that in California, there was no tuition charge for classes taken over twelve credits. After first sememster of Junior College I was doing double duty. Made sure a I had a transfer contract with Communter U that listed all courses I would be taking plus a few extras just in case I had to switch because of full classes.
Communter U wanted to bitch over a few classes so I whipped out my copy of the contract and I was suddenly in, after I physically walked my application through the process (they had 'lost' my three previous applications), double load thorugh that system. Emerged with a BS in Business (Accounting), AS in Business Arts and AL in liberal arts Time in school Jan 93 to Jun 96. 3.6 gpa.
Now corporate controller for fifty entities.
Oh, and my total student loans were $4,200 and paid back long ago.
The only flaw in your logic is "college makes sense if you're extremely motivated and smart (finish engineering degree in 3.5-4 years, multiple internships, etc)"
If you're motivated and intelligent then you don't need college. College is for people who lack ambition and are of average intelligence.
College is what it has always been, for well over a century. It is one way for a wealthy family to legitimize the ascendency of their offspring. Other than that, only a few very smart people benefit from universities at all. This is because, for those with intellectual gifts, THERE IS NO TUITION in the first place. They are sought after by colleges and generally attend at no cost. So, the ones who perhaps should not be in college are the ones who bring nothing to the college except their loan proceeds. (College athletes also bring something valued to their institutions, if they are good enough.) If the truth about the way such things work had been told even once...
Colleges are in the business of aggregating your gifts and arrogating them to the university brand. They impart nothing, except that brand, and what I gave to my university came to me by birth. Now, if you have no gift to bring to the college of your choice, not family wealth, nor rare intellect, nor athletic prowess, then borrow the money or do not attend. Mass attendance at American universities is simply a matter of finance, from the University perspective.
Yeah many gov'ts (Fed/State/Local) now require a certificate (CNA) costing two or three thousand dollars to wipe someone's butt. See you really do need government permission to even live. The Administrative State is what truly is the noose around your individual rights and freedom.
I take it you didn't factor in trade school into your calculations.
It's still a good way to get ahead without the debt.
Correct. I did not address trade schools. Only 4 year degrees.
Just to let you know, if I had it to do all over again, I'd be an underwater welder.
I studied subaerial welding, it was a breeze
Gubment job payoff
While they're living with mom and dad, it helps the Administration claim a great economy with a 5.9% unemployment rate. He's campaigning on it for the mid term elections. Never mind all the statistics...the one's that matter the most, that show the frightful economic decline for ten's of millions of Americans.
fuck that...
do porn vids, attend Duke ;))
She dropped out.
major in engineering or get the fuck out of the way!!
Not all engineering degrees lead to gainful employment. Civil engineering has poor outcomes currently because it is mostly government and construction companies who hire these graduiates.
of course, but an engineering degree opens other doors that require analytical skills and can pay quite good provide a stable career.
smart engineers dont become engineers
GI Bill helped me get through. Could not have afforded it otherwise and that was in early 90's. Not sure how these kids are doing it these days. Strapping on 10 of thousands in debt at age 22, 23, 24 etc....
See the country. . . or City.
Pay No rent. Summer in the north, and winter in the South.
Images for living in your van camper
How do they pay for gas, maintenance, major repairs, food, camp fees, etc?
Don't ask too many questions. Just move into a van down by the river. It's great.
I paid my own way working part time. My last two semeters were working for da man. In-state is the only way to go. I got out of a 4 year state (UNC) college with a $800 debt. I was earning $4.40/hr at the time. Don't know why it cost so much to go to in-state college.
Because free taxpayer money for loans ran inflation up for both private and public institutions.
After read'n yo spellin you should ax for a refund.
I don't think it will work this way any longer, with prices going up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDcZeGbElnM
Did I hear that one can volunteer in West Africa for six months (and then a month of quarantine) in return for forgiveness for student loans? If not, maybe that should be discussed.
Win the lottery. Then you can farm until the money runs out.
you win the thread! truer words never spoken
Just what these parents deserve for sending their kids to college...the biggest scam since Hope & Change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V122ICNS8_0
Being doomed sucks.
Of course I want cheesy poofs
I'm just being obamanoxous. Your children can repair broken government drones, fight airborne diseases, and tackle mobile phone identity theft.
These kids have a lifelong career ahead of them.
/sarc
The American Dream always has been an American Nightmare. It's global actually. It's been told to us over and over and over again through every means possible. Lyric example below. But most people would rather bask in the delusion of a good fantasy dream. If you're really awake you know about Planet X mentioned in the link
Some of you western zombies have snapped out of it in time to possibly save yourself. Many more than in the east
http://www.metrolyrics.com/the-great-american-nightmare-lyrics-rob-zombi...
I paid off my student loans a few years back and am now ready to declare bankruptcy. I was planning ahead for the future.
The best way to pay off your student loans: DON'T.
Just quit, and when they call get a hardship deferment and rinse and repeat.
And you will be well on the way to reclaiming yourself from the banksters' grasp.
An American, not US subject.
The most powerful weapon the American people have is Rejection.
The system of fraud and theft that has been built up upon the backs of the American people is dependent upon out backs. Withdrew our backs, and the whole thing collapses. This is our greatest weapon.
Quit Paying--put it into food, and precious metals, etc.They stole what ever "debt money" they loaned you in the first place )fractional reserve banking) and soon you won't be able to pay them anyways.
Quit Obeying--If they are in violation of the Constitution then they are not legitimate anyways.
Quit Playing--Quit being a tool for them to use.
The Four Rs
Rejection: Quit paying, quit obeying , quit playing
Revolution: It is inevitable, so prepare, as they are.
Retribution: The guilty must answer for their crimes against the American people and the Constitution.
Restoration: Restore the American people, country and Constitutional republic.
"The system of fraud and theft that has been built up upon the backs of the American people is dependent upon out backs. Withdrew our backs, and the whole thing collapses. This is our greatest weapon."
The debt slaves are used to their lifestyles. Little do they know, that if they quit for one month they'd bring the system to it's knees. Little do they know that the system will crap out anyways and by that time it'll be too late to effect any changes.
My job, and now also yours, is to inform them of this fact--Educate it forward.
An American, not US subject.
I gave up and retired early a couple years ago. Now I'm lowering my income to cough up as little as possible in taxes to avoid feeding the monster. I'm also too far away from the throngs to affect any changes. It's sit back and watch time for me. Sadly, I'm part of the problem.
Too old, and in ill health...my thirty year vision of being that dried up corpse on the side of a desert road draws nearer every day.
But to the young, revolt. Make my death happen. I will die proudly.
we are coming for you
I "went Galt" this year. I am watching too. Gardening food, repairing stuff around the house, hanging around the net. What could be better?
I'm enjoying it.
You can *leave the country*, travel, live, and work on another passport and not look back. Are they going to come yank you out of Mongolia while working on a Panama passport when they don't directly know you are there? Oh yes they could find you if they really really really wanted too I suppose but if you aren't Ed Snowden why would they notice you? If there were a *million+* Ed Snowdens how well could they go after them? How many simply vanish... leave... no taxes, no child support, no alimony, no mandatory court payments, no student loans, no hospital bills, no forced transfers of money..... no slavery. If you remain they'll parasitize you until you are dead and then some all the while pretending its your moral duty to be worked to death for their benefit. If you leave they can't do this, you don't have to listen to their lies and bullshit, AND its too much trouble to follow you around the world. They'll turn to the low hanging fruit - the proles and fools who insist on staying behind. Who would Sauron kill if everyone went to Valinor and simply left Middle Earth? Who does he rule? The war is over, he has the ring, now get on the boat and leave! You owe the place nothing, let it burn.
Skull cap meets aspault. Another MSM roadkill terrorist storyline.
Saw a group of them on 29th block N. Ocean Blvd Myrtle Beach this morning. I laughed within, never said a word. Just seeing them wearing their skull cap was enough to provide morning comedy.
Decolat: Since You Asked for Advice.
Gas getting cheaper; just hit the Open Road as I did, and will do again.
Sailing Around North America: Leaving
"A voice said to him: 'Why do you stay here and live this mean and moiling life, when a glorious existence is possible for you?" ~ Henry David Thoreau
An antique man in an antique van, traveling around a wondrous land.
Before I left on this mid-life road trip, I decided, if given a choice, I wouldn't stop in cities and I would prefer not to stay in towns. Instead I was seeking wide open spaces and water. A freshwater paradise, a saltwater playground, a sparkling river or creek or even a glacial pond, all these I sought. . Too often we snake past them in a speeding car with scarcely a glance. Now I intended to make their acquaintance.
I wanted to spend some time in places we had all heard of, glorious places most of us longed to be, those lakes and tree-shaded rivers we saw in geography books or from our car windows. I wanted to get firsthand experience rather than second glance glimpses. I wanted to float, swim, drink, sail, splash and frolic in sparkling water. I wanted to spend more than a few stolen moments besides these cool waters, appreciate them, know their histories, their "life stories," instead of rushing past them, on my way to some dry, indoor pursuit.
Fifty years young when I began my voyage in April of 2001 (now half complete), traveling fifty miles per hour in my antiquated time machine, I sought timeless sources of water and time to enjoy them. An inland voyager, that's what I hoped to become.
Dumb? Maybe, maybe not. No dumber than spending years spinning my wheels in some sweltering concrete city - Los Angeles , Phoenix , Vegas - in pursuit of that domesticated servitude called success. And no closer to accomplishing that vague, self-flagellation than a sparrow has of becoming the space shuttle. This was to be a voyage around North America , on a wind and a prayer, inspecting lakes, rivers and bays. Floating in some, fishing in others, swimming and sailing over most of them, camping besides them, metaphorically making love to them, hiking around them, and enjoying them, thanking the rain gods and human angels for sustaining and protecting them.
It wouldn't cost much money. I could work along the way. Behind the wheel of a thirty-year old Volkswagen van named Tinkerbelle, with a sailboard (another antique) strapped to the roof racks, I planned to cover some ten thousand miles at a leisurely pace, whether it took one year or five or forever. A great, clockwise, circle-sailing of the North American continent. To look at ephemeral bodies of water that had been around for thousands of years, and enjoy them at my leisure.
I began my trip in Tempe, Arizona. Even before I left, I received a warning citation on Tempe Town Lake, for windsurfing across that stagnant impoundment. I smiled when I received the citation, perceiving it as a good sign, an auspicious event. It wouldn't be the last warning I'd receive on my trip.
"Wherever a man goes," wrote Thoreau, "men will pursue him and paw him with their dirty institutions ." The best solution seemed to flee those dirty institutions. Throughout the trip, I would be warned, written up, lectured, scolded, and cautioned along the way by scads of government minions--but envied too, I imagined, by more than a few folks along the shore.
I intended to drive west across the Mojave desert to California in late April, then head north to Washington state. Then east to New England during the high summer, where I would wander south during the late fall, skirting most of the coastal cities. From there I would winter in Florida and then one day head west again, where I would finish the journey. And then begin another adventure. A person should never be without plans for at least one future adventure, even if only building a wonderful, backyard treehouse or rafting down the Mississippi.
Before I left, I penned an itinerary that included famous western lakes I wanted to visit - Mono, Tahoe and Crater - and infamous inland seas like the Salton Sea, as well as historical eastern icons like the Mississippi River, Walden Pond, Chesapeake Bay and the Hudson River. Along the way I planned to visit as many local lakes and notable rivers as I could, seldom passing a single day without slipping into water somewhere. I went to all these water with a forgotten joy I hadn't felt in thirty or forty years. Like the joy felt by young lovers when discovering each other for the first time (No exaggeration!).
What foolishness convinces us that concrete and steel equates to great centers of civilization, when the wild water within ourselves - we're about 70% water - wants nothing more than to hasten to a lake, any lake, and immerse our bodies? I imagine Jesus in his boat, enjoying a breeze on Lake Galilee, felt more peace of mind than he ever did on shore, squabbling with those money changers, Pharisees and high priests.
Man made the places and charged us all a fee; God made the spaces and gave them all for free. Thank God for the lakes, rivers and streams. Thank God for the waterfalls and mountain freshets. Thank God for the nameless ponds and bogs and tidal bays, all of them amusement parks of nature, all of them a greater part of inner selves than any concrete city ever could be. By God I wanted to see them all!
Alex C
@Alex...awesome!
Thomas Aquinus infinte egrees
wrap your head aruond that
self-sufficient cause no cause needed.
neber ben over turned man....
doble post solly must pour another
gotta bounce!
Thomas Aquinus infinite egrres
wrap your head aruond that
self-sufficient cause no cause needed.
neber ben over turned man....
forgot the i added an e
Nicely put .
Thoreau would have approved .
But where did you put the "old ladies knitting toilet cushions " ?
There is a theorem in topology where , no matter how you stretch and twist an elastic surface (without puncturing it) , you can find one point that is unchanged .
May you find that point .
Good luck !
Theorems are nice however the only thing I know that is truely elastic
is glass, silica.
an infinite egress has never been logically shown to be not?
and what about the Qbit?
seem to occupy the same time and space A cannot not be A and B at the same time
a irresistable and immovable object in the same space and time?
/
Wow is all I have to say. And thanks, brother.
Well written and nice imagery. I enjoyed the Salton Sea reference in particular. I wonder how many folks know about what happened there?
Nice.
His 5-year mission, to explore strange new waters, to seek out new beaches and new mermaids, to boldly go where few men have gone before.
I walked out of the USA in my later 20's until I returned on Christmas day, 1986, in my early 30's. I went through Mexico once on foot, hitchhiking, and finally, once down the east coast, through Central America and and return up the west coast on a motorcycle. I spend time in Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador, lived in Honduras, traveled to Tahiti, England, the Netherlands, France, Spain, lived in Israel, including the Golan Heights, Negev, Taba beach, Elait, and lived across the street from the Sea of Galilee, spent time in Cairo and lived in the Sinai for about 6 months. I worked my way around and made due. Why did I do this? I heard an old man say retirement was wasted on the old, we had things backwards. Seeing the mess, I opted out. I came back when I realized I would, perhaps, get too old someday to work. Now, 30 years later, I have a paid for house, no debt, a little at the bottom of the lake, and free again. However, my wanderlust is gone and I am quite happy to stay home, with the occasional visit to Poland - my wife's native land.
It is something entirely different to be a tourist vs. living in another country for an extended period. I preferred staying and getting to know the people and the culture for lack of a better word. I have friends all over the world, that I would never have had if I didn't throw on the backpack and take off.
@Moe, OK you win the adventurer of ZH award. My hat is off to you. I must be about the most boring person on this board.
I will say this: it was anything but boring. You haven't lived until you are camping on the side of a hill overlooking a valley in Salvador, watching the little people like ants move across a farm field, then a helicopter appears over your head and proceeds to rocket and machine gun the "ant people" you are watching. That's a memory you don't forget.
Did anyone read Bill Gross's farewell letter on Bloomberg?
I don't care wether it was real or not it was " how is that equity thing going" ?
and I almost shit myself (hershey squirts here ) everyone at the office today
is going why the fuck is bouncy bouncing all over the place.
I was in such a fucking good mood!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pay off a student loan? The loan the government has taken wiith your future as an asset? Only with a sound job, otherwise nope. Otherwise its just not smart and I seriously doubt that they'd expected all students to usually pay off their loan, they can easily write it off without too much hassle (except inflation/devaluation). What's next, does any newborn baby gets a 10K credit card?
A lot of high school and college grad students are given a Dr Seuss book.
"Oh The Places You'll Go." So I went.
Here is a photo of my rolling home at 8,000 feet.
Bodie Ghost Town
My oldest is living on a sailboat after traveling the country by rail (hobo style). He graduated from college in December 2008 and worked for about 6 months in an unsatisfying job, then went on his journey.
He has the right idea.
Yes, I believe you are correct.
Last time I went to Bodie I had helped a Boy Scout Troop on a camp in Death Valley. I had a magnificent white beard and was wearing a pretty rough clothes.
This guy came up and asked to take my picture. He said I looked like the iconic old cowboy and he was a teacher for some LA district.
What the hell. I leaned against some old building and he took a shot.
Thank you Fred. Appreciate it.
John Steinbeck and William Least Heat Moon inspired me.
And Robert Manry who sailed his small, home made sailboat across the Atlantic alone.
"Entitled "Tinkerbelle," by Robert Manry, the book inspired me in a couple of ways. Manry was just an average guy like myself with a wild dream. A newsman and weekend sailor who floated around Lake Erie in a ten-foot boat, Manry wanted to go places slowly. An unassuming guy with a faraway look in his eyes, Manry dreamed of sailing his small craft to England. And damned if he didn't do it!"
Sailing Around North America #4--TinkerbelleDare to be a nomad !
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2010/02/whatever-happened-to-nomads.html
Cities are passe
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/01/evanescence-of-cities.html
"Young man , East or West , North or South , just go !"
There are three kinds of people in my opinion
Nomads
Urban Dwellers
Rural Dwellers [or farmers]
The Bedouin are a good example of Nomads, the mideast governments keep trying to get them to accept "nationality" and they don't want it.
I was expecting
Kill a banker
Sell your soul
Become a hooker
and many more
Living at home and paying off your loan sounds like a prudent idea to me. As long as you get a job and DO pay off your debt.
Yeah, maybe living at YOUR home is a 'prudent idea'...So tell me, where do I send the kid? I'll need your home address...
Seriously, I've worked all my life, and now THIS? A mid-twenties who will likely never leave home now?
And people wonder why I drink...
Have one, living here, has a job that he loves, Junior Asssitant Manager of a Starbucks...moved to Tequila instead of beer.
The first thought that entered my head when I watched this was "living at home is not free". It's cost shifting on to the parents. I, as a parent, would rather they stew in their own mess.
They forgot to add, 'live in your parents basement and when they are out masturbate for tokens from strangers on your webcam"
that seems to be the new normal
Sell your organs. You don't need them now.
4 Words: Learn something someone wants.
So true; Puppetry is a good skill to pick up but only if you get your Masters in it
So much advice on how to get rid of it.
What I do not understand is that people have been getting educated for decades without becoming debt slaves, so why not prevent the problem rather than attempting to cure it?