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These Are The "Most Meaningful" And "Best" College Degrees
As the daily propaganda machine prompts the majority of today's American youth to go to college "to further their earning potential," despite the actuality that working alongside a non-high-school-graduate flipping burgers is just as likely an outcome, we thought it only fair to discuss the tradeoff between doing something we love and something that pays the bills. As The Washington Post reports, careers in healthcare and engineering ranked high in both meaningfulness and average pay. At the other end of the spectrum, people who had majored in art and design or humanities fields reported low pay, little sense of purpose, and they were relatively unlikely to say that they'd recommend their major to others.
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Is there a degree in porn movie production?
The school of common sense works for me. Book sense, not so much.
I emphatically feel degrees that degrees in Yoga, Ballet and Modern Dance are the most useful. My former girlfriend, a ballet, yoga master instructor, had such control over her abdominal and other muscles, that she could give me an 'internal' massage during our lovemaking. I hated the bitch, but loved the sex, and so stuck around far too long. It cost me big, but it was worth it.
Kissin don't last, cooking does.
True enough, but there are still certain things I miss that a home cooked meal cannot replace.
I was going to ask where Petroleum Engineering was as I couldn't find it on the interactive chart... But from the quadrants I see it is completely off the charts in terms of mid career salary $176,000.
Owning your own company isn't listed there, nor will it ever be, but I can recommend it.
Film production is the lowest meaningful career. Tyler Durden would know about that. It was his old gig before Zero Hedge. He would splice one frame of an adult film into a kid's movie, just to pass the time.
*beep*
That beep was the cigarette burn, that's what they call it in the industry. lol
http://youtu.be/-v4hfVumU_Y
You mean to say looks fade with age?
but if you die young...
The story of many of our lives......
I once calculated the cost per sex act with my ex wife, and came up with the conclusion that I was MUCH better off financially sticking to prostitutes.
As they say in Russia, you do not pay them for sex, you pay them to leave.
You speak the truth, LatLover. It is always cheaper to pay as you go and don't partake of all your business in the same place. Variety is the spice of life. If I had only known this when I was younger.
There is a reason some divorced guy came up with the idiom; If it floats, flies or fucks, rent it...
Another good one to remember...
"If it has tits or wheels, it's gonna cause you problems."
These videos ... necessary to watch ... infuriating to internalize.
"Vita brevis, ars longa"
Oh no, here they come - all the arse quips...
And just why the fuck isn't Engineering "meaningful"?
I agree. I helped build the Cassini spacecraft and it has been exploring Saturn for the last 20 years. Plenty meaningful to me.
No degree, per se; you just have to pay your dues. A few months of running the 'gravy vac' on gay porn shoots and you'll be able to write your own ticket!
But you don't want to know what gravy is.
Tattoo artistry would seem to be a fantastic, growth, career....not listed.
J
LOL...a tattoo aficionado no doubt
J.....
Some of my homies are trapped in a game borrowing 250-300K for a doctor's degree, and they'll get their life hours completely owned by the sickcare system when they finish.
This is my lament for all those who willingly walked into their shackles.
Gee.. please give them my condolences..
I have a young niece going for a grad degree in some kind of neuvo med therapy.. and she will have six figures of encumbrance that can never be paid off.. I wish I could have shared some advice she would consider.. but you know how that goes.
On the upside though, she is pretty darn good looking and if she hooks up with a good enough politician………………
@skateboarder... By the degree shall ye evolve, or so says the masonic mafia that "runs" education, lower and higher.
It was said in Indian lore that when Education and medicine (healing) became for-profit, the end of a cycle was nigh.
I suppose we are there....
University - Machine of Judeo Masonic Indoctrination
http://henrymakow.com/002046.html
University - Marxist Indoctrination Camp
http://www.billoreilly.com/column/Americas-Expensive-Indoctrination-Camp...
So, when is the age of Kali Yuga coming to an end?
In that way, women have an advantage. One of my favorite high school teachers long ago got a lawyer husband that paid off her crazy shopping debts lol.
As for nuevo med therapy, I don't think that's a line of professions that'll pay that much. I've heard that beginning doctors make peanuts these days. I always tell my medskool friends to go into opening family clinics again. Bring back the family doctor comes to your house concept. We certainly have plenty of young people wanting to be doctors.
However, as a species and input/output units of a manmade system, we have failed irrecoverably because as a collective we have drank the bigPharma koolaid. There's no coming back to the system idealized in the notions of natural remedies, family doctors, etc.
edit: just saw your post right after I made mine, ORI. We convey the same sentiments.
Pussy is the 2nd most destructive force on Earth besides water. It's kind of ironic us men need both and will kill for it.
The minute men figure out that we do not NEED pussy, but Desire it, we will begin to regain control over ourselves, the world, and the Feminist Insanity which has wrought such destruction upon us. Just my 2c
Replace the word pussy with heroin/meth/alcohol/etc... not an easy task once you're in it.
Some of us men have:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/
It's true. I bet that the economy would be basically non existent if not for women. Men wouldn't wind up with as many kids at half a million each to raise, your favorite couch (a little beat up, but comfy) wouldn't have to be driven to the dump because it didn't match the new paint / curtains... But damn, there's nothing better than a good woman.
It's true. I bet that the economy would be basically non existent if not for women. Men wouldn't wind up with as many kids at half a million each to raise, your favorite couch (a little beat up, but comfy) wouldn't have to be driven to the dump because it didn't match the new paint / curtains... But damn, there's nothing better than a good woman.
.. if they do it right, it can be a cash business
.. or something alt-er
Skateboarder, I know so many women who worked as the sole breadwinner to help put their husbands through one professional school or another.
Consider this… as the best education
By Ezrydermike:
It’s hard for me to convey meaning in this blog format and my intermittent access to it.
My initial response was to Ron’s original blog. I went to look at some of the web pages I have bookmarked and I stopped by at truthout first and the linked article was right there. Seemed a bit amazing as it is very similar to Ron’s post.
I am not a newbie wrt to the topics brought up here and it isn’t shocking. Disturbing to say the least but not shocking.
I am a single parent. My daughter’s mother is out of the picture with substance abuse issues. I have raised my daughter from day one essentially by myself.
She is well grounded and a very good person. She understands and is knowledgeable about many resource topics including peak oil / resources. She has a good understanding of the shit storm we are experiencing.
I meet with her and some of her close friends about once a month to discuss stuff. We call this our roundtable. This is a great group of kids. I am trying to help them.
This kind of started with this list of things I told them might be useful to learn about.
Gardening – food. Urban gardening. Permaculture
Wild food recognition and harvesting
Medicinal plants – recognition, harvesting and use
Food preparation and storage. Canning, curing.
Making beer, mead, wine, distilling
Animal husbandry. Horseback riding, milking cows and goats. Field dressing and butchery.
Gun use and repair. Hunting skills.
Archery – hunting, arrow fletching
Cooking.
First aid and basic medical skills.
Insect and poisonous animal recognition, prevention and treatment
Sewing, quilting, clothing repair, shoes
Basic electrical especially dc power systems
Basic electronics
Basic plumbing – pipes, pumps and valves
Basic metallurgy – welding, smithing
Field weather recognition and seasonal variations.
Geology and mineral recognition – copper, iron ore, shales, flints, quartz
Paper making.
Book binding
Leather working
The thing is some of the potential future outcomes are just so effing dark. My daughter has already decided that she isn’t going to have children because she sees that there are too many people and the world is too messed up. How f..d is that for a 22 yr old to say? Drag as she would be a great mother
I have found that the further one goes down this path of pondering collapse the darker it gets. Some real questions. If it is all going to be some sort of Mad Max scenario and there is nothing to be done to avoid it, why do anything at all? Why not just live as large as possible for as long as possible? And on and on….
So we try and talk about it as if there may be future outcomes that could be rewarding and pleasant to live in. We work on trying to do what we can do. We try to build community and networks. She gardens and grows a bit of food.
She has completed 3 yrs of community college and has an AA in psychology. She has built up 2 yrs worth of transferable university credits and she is thinking hard about going to Humboldt State in northern CA. Both of think that maybe a better place to live than were we are now.
She is working with Adam Navidi of Future Foods Farm and Green2Go restaurant.
Sometimes I feel like I need to apologize to her.
So I don’t know is this makes any sense. My original reply was a bit of a spur of the moment, but it is a subject that is near and dear to me.
So sure I am interested in what others are telling the kids.
http://futurefoodsfarms.com/Future_Foods_Farms/Welcome.html
http://peakoilbarrel.com/collapse-inevitable/comment-page-2/#comment-48477
I would love to have children and be a good father who teaches them useful things. Except I won't, because this place is fucked, and it would be uncontionable to create new life that has to live through what comes next. There are plenty of existing young ones to teach and rear.
Skateboarder,
Not the place.... "This" humanity is fucked!
Life is not a dress rehersal, I don't scare my kids but I keep a library full of manuels on all that shit. I also grow my own and have an artesian well. But even though some classify me as a jr prepper, I let my kids have the info and figure it out on their own. (They don't listen anyway)
newdoobie,
You wrote: They (kids) don't listen anyway
That's why I wrote: "This" humanity is fucked!
Especially because the adults have not learned yet of our coming demise, how would you expect that the kids would?
With you there.. I take care of my stepkid and that's plenty. More kids that needs parents out there than parents that need kids.
+1 - There's the actual lack of parents for kids, but also there is an evergrowing segment of kids who have parents that don't parent.
That's why you gotta lead by doing. They see, take notice, ask questions. It's how knowledge and wisdom pass from one generation to the next.
As a foster parent I couldn't agree more. it's called parenting. ..if you have kids, you have to do it...and sticking them in every sports program is NOT parenting. ...if am fully in favor of retroactive abortions of most of the.parents I deal with in foster care.
If I knew what I know now, I would not have any kids either. It's not how expensive the world is, it is how fucked up humanity has become. I try and teach them the best I can but there future is going to be a rough road. That is what's scary. Even if all of us at ZH got our wishes about banks and government, there will still be pain for a long time just rebuilding the republic. We kicked the can so far down the road where everyone will be hurt in the world when we reset for decades.
I hear you. I'm 34, married to a great chick who wants to procreate... The clock's ticking, and I would just assume let it run out. She feels the need to have a child. She teaches second grade, she works with little kids all day. I'm sure she wants one as much as I don't. This may be 'the hill that I will die on' - one way or another. I equate it to jumping off a cliff, having a kid that is... If you don't jump nothing changes. If you do... Who knows how it turns out.
I have four. It is a long way down and you are bound to hit a lot of shit on that journey off the cliff.
Did she know you didn't want any Children?
She knows I'm anti-kid. I hate to sound superficial but in this case it's about mitigating risk for how ever long I'm in existence... If I fulfill her dream, anything can happen. 2 for 3 we will divorce. NH child support laws don't help the ratio. (30% after taxes) If she were to leave, I would be left holding the bag... I've been with this woman for almost 20% of my life. I want to fulfill the dream for her but I believe the risk is too great. As a tradesman, I'm capped out @$70k annually. I'd be living in a van if I had to pay child support up here. It's so strange that one of our (individual) dreams has to die for us to be together. This is as deep as it gets for me...
Cobra, your post 'Brought up' few interesting points:
First: Can’t believe she is not pregnant yet
Second: Can’t believe she hasn’t left you yet because she will regret have been with you
Third: As a tradesman you can make $70 thousand dollars a year. Most doctors in world don’t make half that
Fourth: Having children is the most selfish thing to do
Fifth: Obviously, you’re too free to be domesticated
She won't get pregnant until I'm ready. I had a vasectomy 3 weeks before we got married. By my count that gives me 4 years and 100% control in my decision, either way. She doesn't know. Horribly deceptive, keeps me up at night... On the other hand, a lady with 100% control usually gets her way regardless of her mate's opinion on the matter.
Cobra
Very interesting, and disturbing fact.
So, your wife is taking the pill, the patch (inserting contraception hormones in her body) unnecessarily?
For four years?
Cobra, sorry to say, but your behavior is not of a caring husband.
Your wife might not forgive you, especially if she’s trying to get pregnant.
Anyway, if she still loves you, she will ask you to reverse your vasectomy; or she will leave you.
Did I mention it keeps me up at night? The problem is this: You can prepare for everything - except the fallout. Life is a hell of a lot longer than love, and a child will tax you your entire life. I hate to be crass, but a spade is a spade, save a few exceptions.
"Life goes on, long after the thrill of livin is gone". JCM
Love is much much longer than life.
Cobra,
May I suggest you have a talk with her; and explain your position? If you don't want a Child, then it may be better to let her know and give her the chance to procreate with someone else.
Better to have her leave you now, than to have her resent you for quietly and willfully taking away the "dream" most women have - from her. She won't have much time after 35 (fertility rates dive from 35 to 45, when it becomes 2%); and if she doesn't have her first before 30, odds are already against her.
I'd also talk to a Financial Planner, a CPA who's into Investments, and/or reputable Investment Clubs in State about your 70K. Cap. Don't know if you've self incorporated; but that's one way of possibly reducing your tax/expense picture.
Need to get something stashed by the time you're 60. Plenty of pitfalls backstabbings along the way.
So she doesn't know about the vasectomy eh?
I've heard stories like this where the wife sercretly gets off the birth control pill and tries to get pregnant with her husband. Unbeknownst to her, her husband got a vasetomy, or, was diagnosed at a young age that he could never have kids (which he's also aware of but never told his bride). She becomes so desparate and frustrated at the results of a negative conception that she goes out "tomcatting" around town looking for dudes to bang in order to get impregnated. Then one day after one such tryst, she's successful.
Then she approaches hubby and surprises him with a "We're pregnant".
Cuckold's are born this way.
Dude, I sure hope she doesn't start fucking around on you because whether or not the kid is your's, because you're married to her, you're stuck supporting that kid whether you want to or not.
The 'owner' of the kid pays for it. DNA match.
If you don't knock her up, someone else will.
Oh..and you'll be held responsible for it.
Guess you need to spend some time contemplating the word "commitment."
Don't take this the wrong way but you do know that animal shelters are full of fine dogs which need fine homes. If having children isn't on the cards of both players perhaps there is a canine waiting for your love and commitment?
Whatever makes you feel better about it bro. I would argue that the least you could do for humanity is contribute your intelligence genes to the pool. PS Itypically enjoy your posts so not trolling ya.
Fortunately I know how to do most of the things you listed and sadly I think I'll have to use them. At this point in time part of my survival strategy is as a wise elder with broad knowledge of obsolete technology. I thank god that My family on both sides were survivors of the depression and dust bowl and they passed a lot of knowledge down.
I find myself in a similar situation. I have a son and a daughter, 20 & 22 - ex is still somewhat in the picture but niether of my kids have a great deal to do with her.
I think I can do a little bit of everything on your list. I was just taking a break from working on the latest longbow I'm making. Got a couple of takedown recurves on the go too. I make my own arrows, fletched with goose feathers I collect in the summer and make my own broadheads.
I'm a decent shot with a rifle or a bow
My dad was a skilled carpenter and was pretty good with motors in the days when you could actually work on them yourself.
My mum was a talented watercolour painter, great cook, a whiz with a sewing machine and made a lot of wine!
Two uncles - one was a shoe maker - mostly one-off orthopeadic shoes made from foot casts totally from scratch - the other a welder/fitter.
I learned from all of them.
I've not had a TV for about 17 years now, and even when I did, it was never a big part of our lives.
Both my kids feel they couldn't, in good conscience, bring another life into this lunatic assylum.
I've also always encouraged them both to be physically fit. My son and I often do 40 - 50 mile bike rides or go for day-long hikes.
Both of them are working towards going off-grid.
My next birthday will be my 60th, so I'm a bit on the old side to make that change, but I'll be helping them as much as possible to achieve their goals.
It's impossible to have too much knowledge or too many skills.
My daughter is in med school and will have about $200K in student loan debt when she finishes. My nephew is 30 and just finished his nurse practioner degree. He's starting at $70K and can make up to $190K per years with bonuses. His old employers paid for part of his schooling. IMHO, he made the wiser choice. No worring about ownership, med insurance and such, just do the work you love and collect a paycheck. It's made all the better by the fact that he lives in a low cost state. Before anyone asks, I have no idea how the bonus system works and it sounds strange to me as well (I'm going to ask him about it the next time I see him).
http://www.margaritaville.tv/player?mc_id=747
What about gender studies? Other than getting a $457,000 dollar per year position at any university overseeing the explosive rise of rape on campus (e.g., literally thousands of times per day literally every woman on literally every campus gets raped), are there any jobs for gender studies graduates?
mop & bucket
ebola vomit
Flipping Houses is not on the list?
How about the Ebay Univeristy degree in selling endless stuff out of your closet (as Dave Ramsey keeps advising)?
Marketing stawks to Sheeples seems pretty profitable also ... not on the list.
Best sticker i've seen on a car
University of South Vietnam
School of Combat
University of North Vietnam
College of Guerrilla Warfare
never let my schooling get in the way of my education
people who had majored in art and design or humanities fields reported low pay, little sense of purpose
ZH, you just made my day, thinking of all those AA 'graduates' in the likes of Gender Studies who infest the utterly useless HR departments, coiled like rattlesnakes to strike at any deviation from their bogus equality dictats.
By Bob Denis: I hear a lot of talk -- but little that addresses the real problem.
"We spoiled an entire generation with the '90s. The expectation was: You go to college, find a product, get venture capital money and, boom, you're a millionaire," said Denis, the chief information officer at Trimble Navigation, a satellite software company based in Sunnyvale, Calif., that has more than 2,000 employees.
"The realism is missing: Unless they're in the top 5 percent of schools, they haven't got any hope. The very jobs we're training students to do are the ones we're exporting."
Government programs to train workers have generally failed. For example, a federal program funded by fees from H-1B foreign worker visas was deemed ineffective in training U.S. workers for high-skilled jobs--one reason President Bush proposed ending it. Local organizations that run training programs are viewed largely as career networking opportunities for executives at smaller companies, which often have nothing to do with high tech or improving worker’s skills.
R&D in all fields grew just 1 percent…, according to the National Science Foundation, a steep drop from its average annual growth.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/outsourcing-us-needs-reforms-not-rhetoric/
I don't see doctors or lawyers in the highest paid list???
undergrad list
Lawyers are under Sociopathic Professions.
Where does Jamie Dimon fit into all of this?
He looks pretty fired up smashing tennis balls around his mansion.
Banksters fall under the top meabingful job. God's work, ya know.
Jamie Dimon got cancer...
Doctors have been moved to the “Formerly Best Paying Degrees” … post-HMOs and Obamacare.
My electrician now makes more then my family doctor.
Health care is going to bleed the country dry and it’s only beginning. The mean salary of a physicians rose from $162,770 in 2006 to $191,520 in 2012. That may be only 18% over a 6-year period, but 18% of a large salary represents a raise of $28,750 for a doctor's care on average. Looking at the grafs on USNews Money, it appears many jobs took bigger boosts in salaries beginning in 2008.
http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/physician/salary
As for nurse practitioners, USNews Money writes; This
“The pay is good. In 2012, nurse practitioners made a median salary of $89,960. The highest-paid 10 percent earned $120,500 and the lowest-paid 10 percent earned $64,100. Alaska is the top-paying state for this occupation, and Anchorage is one of the top-five best-paying cities for this profession overall. For the best salary potential, go west – to San Jose, Calif., specifically, where the average salary for nurse practitioners was $125,450 in 2012."
http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/nurse-practitioner
Regarading The 100 Best Jobs in the nation in 2012, USNews wrote in 2014, “all jobs aren’t created equal… for instance, nearly 40 percent of our picks are health care jobs.”
This is an excellent site for anyone interested in salaries and/or job potential.
http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/rankings/the-100-best-jobs?int=84a8
So I guess everyone should become an Engineer. That should work out. Notice how education gets paid the least? No wonder we have a nation of dumbfucks....all by design.
Pass the shackles.....
Can't happen, engineering has right, mediocre, and wrong answers. The math being taught today, where good intentions count as well as the correct answer prevents entry, naturally. The bridge or airplane or ship or car don't give a shit about the engineer's "good intentions."
- Ned
Yes, how dare they not make a college major about feelings? Or intentions? Or about the 103% of conservatives who've killed 3-4 week old kittens? My God -- excuse me -- my Neil deGrasse (pronounced 'grass-aaaaaa') Tyson, pretty soon they'll aver that actions will count as much as words.
Psychology studies feelings.
The new San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge is proof of that...
Those who can...do....those who can't...teach....
What a stupid statement that completely goes around making any point. EVeryone here bitches about how stupid Americans are and then I postulate that maybe it's a better investment into that area over the creation of more Kevin Henry's and Jamie Dimon's through the promotion of our ever increasing service based economy; I am summarily downvoted. We have dumbfucks because those who are teaching are paid shite so no one wants to enter into the field. My mom was a damned fine teacher and cocksuckers like Blankfein down to his lowest manager make ten thousand times what teachers make. We may find ourselves in a better position if we did not glorify the financialization and rape of everyone via predatorial banks. We get what we pay for and teachers paid shit will create more debt slaves and further the decline.
My mother probably taught 10K kids to read. I would say that is doing.
I'm 100% with you, IR. There are many here that hate the profession, the "government job." Mrs. C teaches grade 2 in NH, for a paltry $48k annually. It's what she wanted to do for a career, educate. It's a thankless job through and through, takes a saint to spend all that extra time and resources when most would not. Not all teachers are deadbeats making $100k, ZH'ers...
Thank you.
"My mother probably taught 10K kids to read. I would say that is doing."
@IridiumRebel, the next time you speak with your mother tell her Ajax salutes her.
Salary isn't everything. Pensions in the private sector virtually have disappeared, but they are a large factor in the public sector's total compensation. Nor can teachers' pensions be compared with private sector pensions in that the former have job protection through the unions and in most cases do not work a comparable length of year or daily hours, they have greater chance for leaves of absence, paid maternity leave for women teachers, greater sick leave (and can use their multiple sick days as vacation) and short-term leave for personal needs than private employment, wider life and health insurance benefits paid by their employer, greater seniority rights, and many days off from teaching to be used for paid training (study days) on top of their regular salary. Also, often access to a free medical facility, free transportation and sometimes free child care. And in my state, they get reduced mortgage rates in certain areas and other perks, such as reduced rates at entertainment sites and retail stores.
"Teachers also enjoy 185- to 195-day work years, compared to 260 days for typical private sector workers. Total fringe benefits for teachers are equal to 101% of thier salaries versus just 44% for workers in large private firms. It is generous fringe benefits that push total teacher compensation far ahead of private sector levels. A full-career teacher can receive guaranteed pension benefits four times those of a private sector worker with a 401(k) plan. Moreover, most teachers also receive retiree health benefits worth hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of retirement." -- US News & World Report Debate Club, Average Public School Teacher Is Paid Too Much ("compared with those of college graduates with similar skills, teachers' average annual salaries of around $55,000 are about right... The average teacher working in a public school today receives total compensation roughtly 52% higher than what he or she would receive in private sector employment. In that sense, the teacher is, indeed, 'overpaid.'").
Here are a few examples of teachers' pensions.
“The 2012 TRS (the Illinois Teacher Retirement System) report shows that the average teacher who retired in the previous fiscal year after 35 to 39 years of service collects a pension benefit of nearly $75,000 per year.” -- -Jason Richwine is the senior policy analyst in empirical studies at the Heritage Foundation.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2013/2/teacher-pensions-sweeter-than-they-would-like-you-to
In California. “a teacher who served forty or more years receives a monthly pension of $8,924 ($107,088 annually).”
http://www.teacherpensions.org/blog/what-%E2%80%9Caverage%E2%80%9D-teacher-pension-example-california
"The average pension payment to state teachers and administrators (in Nebraska) is $1,760 a month..."(this figure includes teachers with as little as 1-year of teaching and, thus, lowers the average).
http://www.omaha.com/news/proposed-teacher-retirement-changes-said-to-cut-pension-shortfall/article_ce749097-65f6-58b1-b54
Believe me, I hate on her all summer and I've calculated that she makes what I make for income hour for hour. But don't for a second that all of those who teach are skating through a .gov job for a pension. Retiring at 40 is in the rear view, obviously due to myopic planning and poor calculating abilities, or just kicking the can.. These fine folks now get a 9% cut off their pension for each year they retire before their social security 'recommended' retirement age. That should help the underfunded pensions a bit. Oh, and Obamacare. They're even losing their world class benefits as of the end of next year. Mark my words: There will be a shortage of (real) teachers within a decade.
IridiumRebel: stupid Americans… increasing service based economy
Cobra: Mrs. C teaches for a paltry $48k annually
JR: For displaying/explaining all the unsustainable incomes/schemes
Now guys, take this list and go around the world (excluding west Europe) and see who makes this type of money; and who has these unsustainable perks, such as in US pensions…
Then, ask yourself “Why can’t these nations” have the same perks as we do…. While we can print our way into wealth, and these nations have to earn theirs.
Cobra: Mark my words: There will be a shortage of (real) teachers within a decade.
Dear Cobra,
Shortages of teachers next decade will be the least of the concerns of the US Empire, as US (the world) enters its dark age.
http://cassandralegacy.blogspot.it/2014/09/the-limits-to-growth-described-in.html
http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Complex-Societies-Studies-Archaeology/dp/052138673X
http://www.amazon.com/Limits-Growth-The-30-Year-Update/dp/193149858X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412462770&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Limits+to+Growth
The problem with that is Unions. I have no problems with a teacher making substantially more as long as he/she is a very high quality teacher. Teachers' salaries become a problem when the whole profession is unionized and requires everyone to be paid the same. Truth is most teachers suck at teaching.
That said however I reserve more disdain for College professors. I've stopped counting how many well paid old College professors and just plain horrible. I don't care for that PhD if you're completely retarded with computers, to the point of still using black and white projectors. Or worst, those who use their classes as mere propaganda tools to push their agenda (I guess they find pushing their agenda meaningful). A enthusiastic kid straight out of college with a mere Bachelor's degree would do a better job than 75% of all professors I've ever had.
Excellent point.
Balance in all things. An engineer filled world = Matrix
And those god awful instruction manuals and hard to use gadgets with just the wrong number of buttons, wrongly placed.
I say this as an un-learning engineer.
ORI: Thank you for being civil in your address. I am asking a pertinent question here. I made my statement not as a slam against engineers. I say the more the better, but not everyone can become an engineer for obvious reasons. Bankers make millions and the only value they add is assfucking people out of retirment and furthering the bankster agenda. Meanwhile, people who teach others to read and do math - both of which help in the defense against cocksucking banksters - are paid little to nothing. It's done by design because a stupid slave is an easily controlled slave. Everyone here is thinking critically because somewhere down the line someone educated you enough to question.
Downvote away.
Whether you get a degree in Engineering will have basically no effect on whether Engineers alter society for the worse or better.
According to TPTB like bill gates and the facebook idea thief and others who want only to reduce labor costs, the US has not near the needed amounts of engineers. Therefore they will hire H1Bs and other use ways to get non US citizens to become US degreed engineers.
Yeah we hear that up north (Canada) all the time to justify obscene levels of immigration. "Skilled worker shortage" they say. More like cheap fuck employers who want deperate yet educated third-world labour ready to work like slaves in the hopes of getting that "Permanent Resident" visa. Then you have the issue of employers refusing whatsoever to give training. Entry-level position always require 2-3 years experience. So how do you get that experience? By slaving? Fuck this, I'd rather be my own 'employer' with my own small niche business. I also threw a lot of morals and ethics out the window as I slowly realise very few people work with a moral compass, only blind self-interest. Many of us younger folks are experiencing the slow destruction of all our previous education, hopes, assumptions, aspirations, and realizing the amount of lies we've been fed since childhood.
Those are low-paying salaries for engineers in a developed country. When a nation begins paying its pharmacists more than its engineers, it’s in trouble. Already,the USA has moved to the back of the bus in the movement of innovative technology.
By destroying America’s pool of engineers through low salaries, affirmative action and displacement by foreigners with H-1B visas (most of whom later return to their own countries to engage their knowledge for the benefit of their native country), American progress is destined to decline.
Nurses, doctors and care providers would have nothing to provide if not for the continued innovation in medical equipment and procedures and manufacture of products through chemical processes designed by engineers.
Yet, from 2002 through 2011, only 48,000 new jobs were created for architects and engineers in the U.S. The cause of this destruction of America as an opportunity society and demise into a service economy is the offshoring of Americans’ jobs.
This is a deliberate Wall Street phenomenon to cut labor costs and make profits go up. In the end, it has destroyed America’s economy and her middle class. Unfortunately, most of the health care jobs left in the wake ultimately must be paid for by taxpayers; it’s a Catch 22 for the nation.
Norm Augustine, retired chairman and CEO of Lockheed Martin, explains this crime that Wall Street greed has perpetrated on the USA::
“In fact, scientists and engineers are celebrities in most countries. They’re not seen as geeks or misfits, as they too often are in the U.S., but rather as society’s leaders and innovators. In China, eight of the top nine political posts are held by engineers. In the U.S., almost no engineers or scientists are engaged in high-level politics, and there is a virtual absence of engineers in our public policy debates…
“Already, 70% of engineers with PhD’s who graduate from U.S. universities are foreign-born. Increasingly, these talented individuals are not staying in the U.S – instead, they’re returning home, where they find greater opportunities.”
In 1997, a study of the inventors honored in the National Inventors Hall of Fame in Akron, Ohio, revealed that 91% of the world’s greatest inventors worked in America and only 9% in other countries. In 2009, for the first time, over half of U.S. patents were awarded to non-U.S. companies.
Meangingfulness is not a requirement for federally backed funds destined to support statist administrators, professors, and grad students of liberal arts departments. The education establishment funnels money, volunteer labor, and propaganda services back to the one party, toward the glorious day when we will have a single party state coast to coast.
Is it time for another Lance post?
wouldn't want to miss it ...
I'm changing my career to Pastoral Ministry for Petroleum Engineers.
The sex entertainment industry has lost all meaning for me.
i used to feel that way ... until i moved to in front of the camera
Sha-jism!
Funny you mention that, my son who is a senior is planning on becoming a petroleum engineer....
Figured it out all by himself, smart boy I guess..
But I thought we're running out of petroleum?
Looks like there are problems in need of solutions...
Where was Community Organizer?
Filed under "Constitutional Law"....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVt2J-DOK8c
Back in the First Dark Age, only those who studied to become priests could get jobs. Now in the Second Dark Age, those who study maintenance of machinery can get the tits to suck on. This is the end of real and human sensibilities.
People can read poetry and literature in their free time if they so choose. The state shouldn't support the activity beyond K-12 instruction how read write and communicate.
First they hijack words and then change the meanings of them so that they can fucking control your experience of life. The word "education" wasn't defined as "job training" not too long ago before wage slavery was instituted in the world. Now you can kiss the hand . You really think state was set up for the people? Let me tell you history tells us it had been set up by the Kapital, from the Kapital, for the Kapital. So is your "education" and its associated wage slavery. The First Dark Age was all about after-life, the Second Dark Age is all about profit. Of course I do understand average Joe doesn't want to have liberty and freedom I'm his life because he values the stability of his wage slavery more than anything else. Freedom is the least thing on his mind and he needs leashes around his neck for the stable supply of the shitty food.
Not really. Prospecting majors should just realize their job prospects won't be great. Of course they can certainly raise their options working through college. Poetry and literature are more college based activites than say women's studies.
Although I'll say that the state shouldn't be supporting any education.
O/T but here it is.........................
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NBC CAMERAMAN with EBOLA Coming to U.S. for TREATMENT - Mother Speaks About Son Getting Ebolahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrukqPRSNyc
I told people 30 yr ago, we would see the day that working w/your hands would pay more than a college degree.
The offshore oil/Merchant Marine is a prime example (as well as it's support industry). I will list several examples,
and if you drive through those coastal areas, you will see billboards screaming for people.
Merchant Mariner, (OS) Ordinary Seaman, entry level, greenhorn $100-200 per day.
A/B Able bodied seaman, or QMED Qualified Member of the Engineering Dept. are the next step up and can be achieved in 6mo-12mo
depending on agressiveness. Wide range of pay, varies from $150(low)-$485 High. These are Unlicensed (endorsements).
Capt. Mates, Engineers (Merchant Marine Officers) 2-3 yrs, testing/training Etc..$500-$1000 Per day. Yes this requires jumping through some hoops and shit, but we're talking about $150-200k per yr, for being on a vessel 6-8months out of the year. It can be a "crazy-maker" hell, look at me.
Keep in mind, that while walking up the ladder, you're ON Payroll, AKA NO big-ass student loan debt.
Compare this to the Best Paying Degrees in the chart.
As to the support Ind. such as Mechanics, Electricians, Etc.. Varies greatly as per working for someone else or your own business, both are plenty respectable, Mechanics, HVAC, ETs, Radar, Kongsberg, Thruster/Reduction Gear techs, Etc...easily $75-200k yrly.
One must take the initiative to do this, and while there are Academies to "teach" this (and I have worked w/some good Grads).
it can be done without College(likely that will change as Academies lobby congress to require schools only, as you can imagine, to create a shortage, solution, grants, bubble, Etc..)
boattrash makes a great point! My cousin married a Sea Captain who makes a very decent salary albeit his job is stressful as heck guiding those enormous ships thru tiny channels [with a pilot usually]. He also spent many years in 'apprenticeship' but paid all along the way and best of all, loves his job.
As boat says, kids need to think outside the box, be motivated and willing to work. There's plenty of opportunites if one has a decent IQ and good work ethic.
<< decent IQ and good work ethic >>
I was afraid you were going to mention a couple of huge drawbacks.
"Decent IQ" ... forget that! ... we've been Darwinized down to a median of IQ of 75 the local college admissions office told
"Work ethic" ... gaffaw, gaffaw, gaffaw ..... NFW!
My degree is in music theory.
What do you think about that?
What do I think about that? I think I've spent my life doing what I wanted to do.
i've got a theory degree too (only an aa). music theory might not pay the bills -- ymmv -- but it surely can provide the basis for a lifetime of experimentation and enjoyment.
Except for the last three years, I spent my entire life in the music industry. The degree was very helpful. And it's been a fun life.
@djsmps: Enjoyed your comments immensely, here are a couple links you'll appreciate
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/25/arts/music/john-mcclure-dies-at-84-pro...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/07/arts/music/howard-h-scott-a-developer-...
and of course there was Andrew (Andy) Kazdin
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/01/arts/music/andrew-kazdin-classical-rec...
Keep on djsmps!
Thanks!
Just so what Obama did, become a Marxist....hack into Harvard....don't go to classes....but get a degree somehow....but nobody remembers you in any classes....
I see scant utility in asking people to self-report how "meaningful" their choice of major was to them. I do not understand what precisely is meant by such meaningfulness and I don't believe anyone else does, either. In the nature of the case, it can only mean something like: "Provides one with intangible benefits other than money, e.g. an identity, a sense of purpose, personal satisfaction, etc." But all these terms are similarly nebulous; the original ambiguity present in "meaningful" simply gets offloaded onto some other word in its definition, and no foundation is ever reached. Besides, this sort of meaning is supposed to be what people derive from living a good life, from having the correct relations to God and neighbor and from living virtuously; and it can just as well attach itself to a high-paying career as a low-paying one.
That provides a clue as to what is really going on here. Modern moral sentiments have taught people to define "meaning" as the inverse of material success, but something nonetheless valuable. It is the indemnification in pride and vanity that one awards himself with in compensation for the poor market value of his services. Liberalism and social progressivism in general, Protestant Christianity (which is the father social progressivism), and the whole artistic and educational establishment place a huge degree of emphasis on the acquisition of such "meaning." So it is no surprise that there are many who go seeking for it among the poor, the children, the sick, or whatever the progressive cause or victimized minority du jour happens to be.
Like all human vices, this is the corruption of something good in itself. While magnanimity and magnificence are virtues, the excess of any virtue is a vice, in this case vanity and vulgarity, respectively. Thus, what we call "meaning" is simply an inflamed passion, not unlike lust or greed. But while naked greed is still admonished and frowned upon, naked vanity, in our day and age, is not. It is the characteristic vice of senescent Western Civilization, which is socialist down to its very root; and it is correspondingly overlooked, excused, and sometimes even demanded by the majority. Those who enrich themselves in "meaning" believe that they are doing the Lord's work even though they are only dragging themselves and others to perdition.
Society cannot forever afford such excesses, which force us to treat racial minorities and other victim-identity groups as indefectible gods whose misbehavior in the public sphere must be tolerated. The day is coming when we have to bite the bullet: We either admit that socialism is nonsense or we commit national suicide. The choice is forced upon us by the debt burden, by insupportable immigration, by the spread of disease, by welfare and transfer payment systems hopelessly unsustainable, and by a culture unable to breed men adequate to the task of survival. We must throw socialism overboard or perish.
The Associate Degree in Community Organizing is the way to go.
Everyone needs a ribbon.
Everyone deserves a ribbon...
Everyone should have a ribbon....
Many unemployable degrees are a form of conspicuous consumption. They have high esteem, but very low utility, which fits the bill. Unfortunately, the non-rich get fooled into thinking it's a good idea too.
Educamation => Extended Holiday
nothing replaces experience and OJT (on job training)
http://greatgameindia.com/indians-still-dreaming-the-american-dream/
It can be stated with certainty that the Order was first established on the Yale campus in 1832. It was officially incorporated only in 1856 under the name Russell Trust Association. According to virtually all the available biographical data on its early members, the money required to sustain the secret order’s campus affairs and its broader role in placing its members into key positions of influence upon their graduation from Yale, derived from the opium grown in India. That trade was set up by the British East India Company destroying Indian agriculture leading to 400 year Indian Holocaust and was flourishing by the time the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783 ending the American War for Independence. The East India Company during this period was controlled by the Baring Brothers Bank. Toward the closing decades of the 17th century, the British House of Rothschild would supplant the Baring Brothers as the controlling financial interests in Opium trade. ?It was the East India Company that split what was once a shared common language of people of India stretching from Peshawar to the borders of Bengal into two languages, Urdu and Hindi, towards the end of the 19th century under the policy of Divide & Rule. As a result, there arose two artificially separated literary cultures, each harking back to a different literary past due to the chauvinistic attitudes both of Hindus and Muslims. This cultural chauvinism was to subsequently embroil them in a practice of divisive politics, and each language became a marker of religious identity. Now, the same East India Company masquerading as reputed institutions wish to teach us Hindi, Sanskrit, Tamil, and Urdu with their own interpretation and history of it. The same economic history of Colonial India that made Modern Britain ? What is mind-boggling is that our own Education Ministers and leaders are advocating these same East India Company policies that divided the country and ruled us for almost 400 years. Through the Parliamentary Leadership Program distinguished members of India’s Parliament are trained at Yale for the better understanding and implementation of their policies in India. It was this very same leadership program degree that our HRD Minister Smriti Irani was referring to when she so rebelliously declared “I have a degree from Yale University”. It is possible that our leaders are not aware of the history of these institutions or maybe they are. In both the cases do such people deserve to be our leaders who unknowingly or knowingly implement the same East India Company policies ? Should we depend on Universities like Yale & Harvard erected by the East India Company on the graves of nearly a billion Indians that perished during the 400 year Indian Holocaust to teach us our own Heritage ? Aren’t we going the same Macaulay way all over again ?http://greatgameindia.com/east-india-company-indian-education-in-the-21s...
Does anyone know how to get this damn "Sponsored Financial Content" ad box off of my screen? It's taking up half the browser window. ZH has always been great, but the advertising is getting more hackneyed and intrusive.
https://adblockplus.org/
NoScript
Adblock Plus
Yep....just added the app to my iPhone, too. Works fine.
Adblock Edge. Adblock plus started allowing some ads. Also ghostery.
also, 'refresh'
The inverse correlation of meaning to value is indicative of our negative state of being within the cube
Time to destroy the Phoenician slave training and usury system of Saturn and rebuild it with one that has a positive meaning and value for our children and the future of our planet
Maybe then I can get paid in spades
Peace & Love
Reformed Pastor Cashflow Dollar formerly of the Church of Satan
Dope dealing is big money! Possible downside Decrimilization, but will never happen because legalizing a voluntary active in a libertarian way is just way too logical!
Koolaid drinking tool pays well. Poly sci or Gov? If you are into being a power tripping fool.
The author of the book “Excellent Sheep,” William Deresiewicz, charges that America’s government and corporate leaders are failures because of Ivy League educations. And his primary theme is that students working for admittance and degrees from America’s top universities angle for careers in the Establishment. And that means many majors in economics and finance.
But the problem, he says, is that this quest for a top degree and a big salary has meant taking a path of low risk and emphasis on social skills (to get admitted to Harvard, et cetera) and a reluctance to challenge the system.
This means that the main attribute of the graduates of America’s top universities is that they’ve learned to lick the boots of the Establishment.
And when it comes to identifying how America’s economic system has gone off the tracks, this large segment of economics graduates working for the Federal government are able to speak with one voice – the voice of Pravda.
Link: Excellent Sheep: The Miseducation of the American Elite and the Way to a Meaningful Life (August 19, 2014)
http://www.amazon.com/Excellent-Sheep-Miseducation-American-Meaningful/dp/1476702713
Don't hold this against me, but I'm an Ivy grad (Yale) who stupidly got a doctorate in the humanities (Intellectual History PhD, philosophy MA), and would do it again in a heartbeat. Most of what I know, however, was learned after graduating.
It is difficult, even in retrospect, to know what one's education has done to shape the mind and interests. Believe me, though, I never learned to lick anyone's boots. I am, and remain, thoroughly libertarian, and not just politically.
Top degrees, low income.
Working in the entertainment industry myself as a photographer for many years now in Los Angeles, it never ceases to make an impression on me the sheer gullibility and amount of utter disconnect from the real world these people live in. It is so complete that any mention of any real world occurrence quickly responds with "I am not political" or "Just let the president take care of it." Worst of all, these are the people with $120,000 art school loans and spend their time going to auditions while working as a waiter. Many of these folks don't have a "plan b," for being rich, famous, and beautiful is their only ambition. While the photo work hardly pays the bills, I do tech work during the day as IT (self taught), and have my savings way up. I really don't know what these people will do. And trust me, there are seemingly millions of them here.
College is the biggest waste of time and money.
Unless your kids are in AP math and science classes are graduate at the top of their classes, they'd be better off just getting a shit job after high school. The kids who excel in math/science and can bang out an engineering degree (accounting too) to some extent will be okay..but there is no room for mediocrity in Corp America anymore for new comers. They have too many to pick from and they only take the best.
The good corporate jobs only go to the WASPS who go to whtever flagship school is in your state.
Getting a business or liberal arts degree from a 2nd tier state school is about as useful as having a highschool degree.
~Dipshitmiddleclasswhitekid
I gave you an upvote for pinning it on WASPs instead of joos.
I gave me the lulz.