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"Nobody Has Any Idea How Disastrous It's Going To Be" Warns California Water Expert

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Newly released images created from NASA satellite data illustrate the staggering effect the California drought has had on groundwater supply in the state. As Mashable's Patrick Kulp explains, the images show the amount of water lost over the past 12 years, with different colors indicating severity over time. “Nobody has any idea how disastrous it’s going to be,” Mike Wade of California Farm Water Coalition told the Associated Press, as RT reports a growing number of communities in central and northern California could end up without water in 60 days due to the Golden state’s prolonged drought. While California is bearing the brunt, experts note "We're seeing it happening all over the world, in most of the major aquifers in the arid and semi-arid parts of the world."

Via Mashable,

California is currently experiencing the third year of one of the most severe short-term droughts ever recorded. Data from U.S. Drought Monitor shows that as of Sept. 30, 82% of the state is facing extreme or exceptional drought conditions.

 

But the state is not the only area being plagued by critical drops in groundwater reserves. Data collected by GRACE indicates that the supply of groundwater is in decline worldwide, especially in regions that rely on it most.

 

"We're seeing it happening all over the world. It's happening in most of the major aquifers in the arid and semi-arid parts of the world where we rely on those aquifers. But we're able to see now the impact we're having on this over exploitation," Famiglietti told Science Magazine.

But it's getting extremely serious in California (as RT reports),

A growing number of communities in central and northern California could end up without water in 60 days due to the Golden state’s prolonged drought.

 

There are now a dozen of small communities in Central and Northern California relying on a single source of water – which has the water resources board concerned they will not have any at all in two months’ time.

 

At a mobile home park north of Oroville, more than 30 families are severely cutting back. The water supply is so tight it is shut off entirely between 10 pm and 5 am, according to CBS Sacramento. The families are relying on one well – all the others have dried up – and have to drive five miles to buy drinking water for themselves and their animals.

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In conclusion...

“Nobody has any idea how disastrous it’s going to be,” Mike Wade of California Farm Water Coalition told the Associated Press.

 

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Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:27 | 5290670 himaroid
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Next big story, cali real estate.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:33 | 5290690 cossack55
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Disastrous for who?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:35 | 5290701 Mike in GA
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Anyone who eats food grown in CA.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:39 | 5290712 strannick
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Or who drinks water living in CA

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:42 | 5290721 Publicus
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Ebola will solve the demand problem.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:46 | 5290740 Pool Shark
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Prediction:

Within 2-3 years, you'll be hearing stories of flooding and mudslides all over California.

Anyone over 40 not suffering from ADD remembers how this cycle goes.

Oh, and for you Global Warming,.. excuse me, now it's "Climate Change" nutjobs: it's called "Weather."

Jeeez...

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:56 | 5290772 FieldingMellish
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Not likely. It looks like Cali is reverting to a mean that spans centuries or millennia. Its actually not related to AGW at all; just a natural cycle that killed off the natives 600 years ago.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:01 | 5290788 Gromit
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Lots of Kumeyaay peoples in San Diego area - we have more casinos than any other US county (excluding Nevada and New Jersey.)

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:10 | 5290820 weburke
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this lack of water is all on purpose. the planet managers are not your freind. 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:17 | 5290843 Xibalba
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It's been disastrous for BTC, that's certain. 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:01 | 5290982 mjcOH1
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"Next big story, cali real estate."

Next big story....giant pipeline from the great lakes to CA.   "For the children".

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:33 | 5291065 Liberal
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As a staunch liberal, I propose that we ban droughts. Especially those that kill innocent children.

Amend the Constitution and ban droughts!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:40 | 5291088 kaiserhoff
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Well, we could chase the illegals out, and let the population resume its downward slope.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:05 | 5291368 Badabing
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Our gubermint can fudge the rain fall numbers and save everyone.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:02 | 5292115 OldPhart
Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:14 | 5292172 Transformer
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Why not just turn off HAARP and the other 12 or so such installations around the planet?  Who knows what the weather would be like if those things were powered down and dissembled.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 20:39 | 5292475 Manthong
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Hey, look at the upside..

The Libs assure that salmon and smelt keep getting flushed with fresh water into the ocean.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 22:30 | 5292871 waterwitch
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Groundwater depletion isn't something that can be reverted with a few wet years folks.  Wake UP!

 

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140819-groundwater-calif...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 23:30 | 5293076 All Risk No Reward
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"In addition... future developments may well include automated or manned space warships, deep-sea installations, chemical and biological weapons, death rays, and still other forms of warfare--even the weather may be tampered with.*"
~Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages, circa 1970

Just sayin'.  Maybe the Debt Money Monopoly finally figured out how to manipulate weather to bankrupt independents and buy up their land for pennies on the dollar before they reverse the weapon and make the rain come back.

I don't know, but I don't exclude it offhand, either.

After all, a little fish non indigenous fish was used as an excuse to deny water to CA farmers.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 00:42 | 5293245 The Doofus
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This is some crazy world we live in.  If Ebola doesn't get you, then you'll end up dying of dehydration.  Then there's always the chance of being iced by a serial killer.  Let's not forget ass cancer.  A guy just can't win.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 03:07 | 5293383 surfsup
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Sorry Doofus: THIS is the world we live in!   Atmospherric Water Generators:  Several Oceans worth of water in the sky regardless of whats happening on the ground:  

 

http://www.ecoloblueblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/EB1000-Crop.jpg

http://www.yourfamilyclinic.com/wellness/water/ecoloblue/img6000.jpg

http://www.ecoloblueblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/IMG_20140211_102...

 

Well that'll make ye think huh?  Dang Barkers got the monkeys all fearful again ...   

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 03:45 | 5293405 Manthong
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But take heart, the good news (that means predictable and dependable) is that whatever the state of Obo-Mexifornia  tells you, it will be worse.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 01:08 | 5293271 Clashfan
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We know from several sources (one of which is Sec Def Cohen's admission during the Clinton years) that they've been able to modify or control the weather for decades. China did it recently for Olympics.

So logically, one can assume, fairly certainly, that the government could end the drought there if it wanted to; likewise, if the drought is continuing, one might suspect the government wants it to continue; finally, at that point, we should be justified in suspecting that they have a hand in it. HAARP is only one of the weather weapons at their disposal.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 16:54 | 5291767 TexasAggie
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We don't want any true numbers that might scare the idiot voters.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:37 | 5292047 disabledvet
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Well..this could be the nail in the coffin of the farm vote.

Still.."just put a price on it" right? I mean Cali just wastes so much of their water anyways...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:45 | 5292068 Esculent 69
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Not to metion the increase of pot growing allowed to happen that uses a lot of water to maintain an indoor grow... so I'm told. 

I've heard many stories both where i live and in other areas throughout the state where people buy homes just to run a grow and processing facility. 

This with the combo of organic using more water and the state not preparing for a known drought situation that was emminent has zapped the aquifers.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 21:06 | 5292558 Bananamerican
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Ripped from the front pages of the El Lay Tiempos:

Computer model shows California could survive decades of drought

Changes would occur. For instance, lawns would virtually vanish and treated sewage would be reused. But researchers say the state wouldn't become an empty dust bowl.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 23:10 | 5293018 CultiVader
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Regarding your comment on indoor grows and water use...STFU. You have no idea what you're talking about.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 07:47 | 5293623 Moe Howard
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It's the huge electrical use of indoor growing that gets them busted here in the midwest. Not water use.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 08:44 | 5293734 Lanka
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How do you irrigate your indoor plants?

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 09:34 | 5293874 PT
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Re "Nobody Has Any Idea How Disastrous It's Going To Be" :

Well, I'm just glad they're being honest for once - They admitted that they don't know.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:29 | 5291248 Calmyourself
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And outlaw crime, it is time we did something about all this crime!!   I feel it,  therefore it MUST BE!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:37 | 5291278 mjcOH1
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Amen!   There should be a law against crime!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:04 | 5291379 Motorhead
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No, rescind laws against crime!  Laws against crime do not act as a deterent.  Smash all laws against crime!  (sarc)

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:09 | 5291399 RafterManFMJ
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Why can't we print all the water we need?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 16:23 | 5291662 tenpanhandle
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Takes too much ink.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 20:08 | 5292347 msmith9962
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I have a 3d printer for water.  Can make glasses of water all day long.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 23:45 | 5293140 Proofreder
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How about a kitchen sink

full of water.  Can you do that ?

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 07:00 | 5293529 effendi
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Printing water is old school. These days we create it electronically with a few keystrokes and lend it out with ZIRP.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 16:53 | 5291759 all-priced-in
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So you would be opposed to a "war on drought"?

 

Maybe get legislation passed called "Affordable Water Act" it would not have anything what so ever to do with water and sure as hell would not be affordable - but just the name alone would do good things - sort of like what the Affordable Care Act does for health care.

 

 

 

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:39 | 5291084 tvdog
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A pipeline from the Columbia River would be shorter.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:49 | 5291121 Idaho potato head
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Pipeline from Hanford is what the PTB have in mind.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:51 | 5291122 mjcOH1
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The Colorodo River used to run to the sea.   Now...it does not.

http://www.savethecolorado.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/dry_color...

The total flow there is already being used.   You can build pipelines to grab more further upstream.    But at this point, that's just a race to see who can grab the most upstream, before the river disappears into dry ground downstream.

The same would be true of the Columbia River.   CA unmet demand exceeds total flow.   You can give it all....and there will still be 33M people demanding more.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:14 | 5291189 arrowrod
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Really, the Columbia River...

 

Apparently you have never seen the Columbia River.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:25 | 5291222 Overfed
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It's over a mile wide and 50+ feet deep here in my neck of FEMA region X. I think I would be glad to send them some of that water if it will keep any more Commiefornians from migrating here.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:50 | 5291329 walküre
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I dito that

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:09 | 5291393 847328_3527
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"No one saw this coming," a parched-throated Brown later testified at the Hearings.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:46 | 5291458 mjcOH1
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Yeah yeah.....and nobody saw Linda Rondstatd (bless her her '70s breasts and little liberal heart) growing older while, 40 years later, Jerry Brown keeps putting the shaft to the willing voters of CA. 

I'd ask where Pierre Trudeau was......but they buried the crazy fucker 14 years ago.   Which proves that God truely has cursed America.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 07:50 | 5293625 Moe Howard
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She was quite cute back then when she was getting banged by Hell's Angels.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 16:52 | 5291758 bh2
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Good luck with that unless you have something to trade. Maybe export a bit of sunshine to the greater PDX area in exchange for H2O? Reducing water volume would also reduce Bonneville electricity available for export to CA, so presumably Californians could choose one or the other (water or lighting) -- but not both.

"California is currently experiencing the third year of one of the most severe short-term droughts ever recorded."

Deeper droughts of several hundred years are "recorded" in the geological record for California. This is just another natural reversion to the mean.

Knee-jerk "fixers" who adore the idea of restoring the climate of pre-human times should be very careful what they wish for.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:42 | 5292058 disabledvet
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California has a huge coastline. Just build something.

It's not like the Navy is going thirsty.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 01:33 | 5293321 SAT 800
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"No one knows how disastrous it may be". Well, that part's true, anyway; it might start raining in Northern California and snowing in the Sierra's next week for all they know; and continue until next May.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:55 | 5291139 Xploregon
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More likely, CA will attempt to high jack water from the Columbia Basin AGAIN!
However, even the Columbia (and Snake R.) are stressed and rationed for agriculture. Further, with radioactivity leeching into the Columbia from Hanford, all water sourced from the Columbia will have to be labeled "CA has determined that this water has been determined to contain isotopes that cause cancer in laboratory...."

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:47 | 5292072 disabledvet
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Try driving from Oooooreegone to Cali sometime.
Ain't no pipeline coming from there.

We will have a high speed train at some point I imagine. Who needs water when you've got one of those thingy's?

I'm still bummed out that my bikini beach volleyball on the moon plan I put forth in 2008 has not been realized.

Clearly cheerleaders are not just underpaid but they aren't being utilized to their maximum effect. Football? Bwhahahahahahah.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:57 | 5292093 Esculent 69
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the only flaw i see in your dream is that on the moon they have to wear spacesuits and that would interfere with the slow motion bouncing of the breasts and buttocks.  You could use that money to build a zero gravity volleyball court and save a hell of a lot more money to spend on hookers and blow. 

Call it ZeroLimp- On a long enough timeline the arrousal rate for men never hits zero.....unless your dead or gay.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 06:42 | 5293507 StychoKiller
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You sir/madam, are a very creatific thinkerizer!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 23:30 | 5293046 Colonel
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Commiefornians are already highjacking the electricity from the region. Libtards are parasites.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:12 | 5291184 boogerbently
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How about a giant pipeline just from the states that flood EVERY YEAR !!!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:49 | 5292079 disabledvet
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The. Mississippi has been claimed.

Interestingly though the Missouri runs right through the State of Missouri.

Strikes me as a perrty valuable thinger...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:29 | 5291251 Kirk2NCC1701
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Californians will simply move up the West Coast, to OR and WA.  See it happening all the time.

Bullish for RE in the NW.  Bearish for traffic, crime, Californication.  Famous yard signs:  DON'T CALIFORNICATE OREGON.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:09 | 5291954 MontgomeryScott
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Washington State's recent marijuana legislation is like an open invitation for the Californicators.

Oregon is famous for the green as well, and didn't they have that freak Buddahead compound a few years back? (Would you like to buy a flower?)

TEN REASONS NOT TO MOVE TO IDAHO:

1) Summers are too hot.

2) Winters are too cold.

3) Jobs don't pay enough.

 

4) Marijuana is ILLEGAL!

 

5) White separatists.

6) Jack Mormons. If you take a Mormon fishing, how do you keep him from drinking all your beer? Invite another Mormon along.

7) Good-old-boy clubs are EVERYWHERE.

8) Boise. That's right, Boise (especially the downtown traffic grid and the North End and 'Farts In The Park'). It's not that I live there, but it is a FACT.

9) Everyone has guns. With lead ammunition. And woodstoves. And cars that aren't 'California Emissions Certified'. And no 'charging stations' for those weird Musk electric cars. And they allow 'homeschooling'. And there are no beaches. And no internet. And no indoor plumbing.

10) Rednecks.

(Oh, shit. We have WATER, though.)

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 20:29 | 5292436 tvdog
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11. Retired LAPD.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 18:48 | 5296588 boogerbently
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YEAH !!!!

Stay in California.

Nice diversion, MS.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:11 | 5291006 saints51
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Cali politicians will create a bill in legislation and solve the water problem. Water for everyone.... done. Everybody immune to ebola...done. All with pen and paper can Californians problems become solved. Fucking brilliant I must say!!!!

s/

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:45 | 5291100 CuttingEdge
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Always makes me laugh these days when the south of the UK has water shortages - only because they have spent bugger all on infrastructure in recent decades when they could be shipping it from the north where it is plentiful. London alone loses the equivalent of 50 Olympic pools of water a day due to leaky pipework fitted over a century ago.

I live in the dryest part of Spain. We had "serious" rain last week for the first time in 18 months - about 4 inches or so (and very welcome it was too). Have we had a problem in the interim with bugger all downfall? Nope.

Now, unless I am imagining things, California has a rather large Pacific shoreline. I would hazard a guess there's quite a lot of water in the Pacific (even if it is irradiated from Fukushima, which is a bit of a bummer).

Message to the dumb fucks running things there: Knock up desalination plants like they do here and in the Middle East. Problem solved. And its not as if this hasn't been coming for years (as illustrated by the graphics above).

Err...difficult I know when you are fucking bankrupt, but water is a bit of a priority...

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:32 | 5291264 Calmyourself
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Are you crazy??  Desalinization takes energy lots of energy, California has wisely outlawed energy, unless the holy of holies;  Altamont pass (PBUI) eagle killing farm can power it then we can talk, otherwise...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:48 | 5291318 mjcOH1
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"Now, unless I am imagining things, California has a rather large Pacific shoreline. I would hazard a guess there's quite a lot of water in the Pacific (even if it is irradiated from Fukushima, which is a bit of a bummer).

Message to the dumb fucks running things there: Knock up desalination plants like they do here and in the Middle East. Problem solved. And its not as if this hasn't been coming for years (as illustrated by the graphics above)."

 

"So when will Iowa be sending us the money for that???"

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:11 | 5291402 VegasBob
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Somebody in Sillycon Valley needs to come up with a few Alibaba-sized IPOs.  All that money from the rubes in flyover country will fund the desalinization plants.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:19 | 5291434 mjcOH1
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"Somebody in Sillycon Valley needs to come up with a few Alibaba-sized IPOs.  All that money from the rubes in flyover country will fund the desalinization plants."

You can convince some of the people, some of the time, that a $70,000 electric vechicle powered by a fossil fuel->electricity->mechanical motion cycle is more energy efficient (and costs less upfront!) than a $20,000 fossil  fuel->mechanical motion cycle vehicle.

But nobody's that fucking stupid.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:40 | 5292054 knukles
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Oh no you can't, and oh yes some are.
Many CA progressive honestly believe that since the car does not pollute and plugs in,  that it is CLEAN and FREE(ish)
Point out the realities of emissions elsewhere (glassy eyed and an "They oughta build solar, etc....") and the physical principles of electronic transmission losses making the burning of petrol ore efficient (assuming like source) they WILL NOT LISTEN

Pass the Birkenstocks

Same thing with DeSal.  We voted on it and passed the approval for a shore based Pacific fed DeSal plant.  Many folks voted against it because it is TOO EXPENSIVE (energy)
I think those who voted against it should get no fucking water, period.
Dehydrate to death, assholes.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:54 | 5292088 disabledvet
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Never stand between man and his moonshot.

What was that line in dumb and dumber? "The odds of you and I being boyfriend and girlfriend are a billion to one."

"Then I still have a chance!"

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:00 | 5291363 holmes
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Can't the Fed take care of this?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 16:20 | 5291650 CuttingEdge
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Are utility companies in the US corporate or public owned?

The minute they went corporate in the UK the priority was the shareholders' divi rather than actually providing a consistent supply to the consumer (profit before infrastructure spending). 

In addition to which there ia a direct (and obvious) correlation between a large population increase and total consumption. Hows the pop of Cali compared with a couple of decades ago? Has supply increased accordingly? It certainly didn't in the UK post-privatisation.

As an aside, a bit like the power consumption figures in China being a good benchmark of industrial production going up or down, water consumption and sewage processing is a very accurate indicator of population - in the UK last year data from these put the pop at 10 million more than the official government figures.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 17:59 | 5291933 hot sauce technician
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It's also been disastrous for the Euro and the Israeli shekel. What's your point? For some strange reason the USD has strengthened over the past few weeks. Can you say ISIL?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:11 | 5290823 F-Tipp
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These kinds of scare pieces are ridiculous. Anyone that has driven down Interstate 5 has seen the "End of the World" signs that farmers have had here FOR DECADES. Yes, there is a serious drought in California - but this kind of reporting is only meant to generate fear.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:43 | 5290929 Stuck on Zero
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I'm not so sure.  They just replaced all the urinals in my building with dust pans.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:12 | 5292160 Bear
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Almond prices are 500% higher ... something serious is up

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 07:22 | 5293565 effendi
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Califorinia provides most of the worlds export supply of almonds (over 80% by some sources), number 2 is Australia at about 6%.

If California gets worse and your almond supply dries up then Australia will make a killing when almonds cost more than caviar.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 20:38 | 5292477 Nick Jihad
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Yes, meant to generate fear - but also shadenfreude

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:13 | 5290829 Miffed Microbio...
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Yes, the massive Taj Mahal casino replete with golf course and numerous amenities near my home has already caused many wells to go dry. I thank god I have 100 acre farm in WA with amble water that is in our family. As with Ebola , I scream from the rooftops but no one listens. Now I'm just looking out for my family and the few like minded friends in my life.

I could care less about my property value. I could walk away without looking back. My true wealth was not put there. I have a great husband, survival skills and can adjust to a changing landscape. These are what will make the difference.

Miffed

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:24 | 5290864 Limbs Akimbo
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Yeah, the golf courses really get me. It seems now you can tee off in San Diego and finish up somewhere east of Phoenix.

Where I live it is the vineyards that are the biggest users of water but at least it is for a food stuff. (Grapes, not just for wine LOL).

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:26 | 5291220 Kirk2NCC1701
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Miffed, greetings from Prepper Oregon (aka Oregun and Oregano). 

The Pac NW (OR, WA, BC) -- aka CASCADIA --  is THE place to me, IMHO.

Expect the migration to NW to continue, and RE prices to climb.  The Sunbelt OTOH... not so much: Got Water?  Got uncontrolled immigration?  Killer African bees, Ebola...?  Good luck.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:27 | 5291237 Overfed
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FEMA region X is indeed the nicest of all of the FEMA regions, IMO.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:28 | 5291462 Miffed Microbio...
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A long time ago we ( foolishly, looking back)decided against a delightful little gentleman farm in the Willamette Valley on the river. However, at the time, my husband could not telecommute and I would have no job. We simply couldn't see how we could have made it there. Now, it would be perfect for us. Sad how life doesn't match up correctly at times but it is wasteful to live in regret. The WA farm would need some capital improvements and the climate is less hospitable but it has 50 acres of old growth pine that is an additional asset. I hope Ebola doesn't shut the door to my escape.

A farm anywhere with plentiful water will be a premium. And hopefully those with will not be raped by those without. The key is to be small,nondescript and fly under the radar. Oh, and having a damn lot of guns and ammo to protect it probably wouldn't hurt. A hat tip to your wise situation. ;-)

Miffed

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:21 | 5291439 jerry_theking_lawler
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miffed, I always have to ask...do you have a like minded sister/daughter/friend.....hard to find 'em like you. keep it up!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:37 | 5291498 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, Mr told me the other day he hasn't met anyone in 53 years that he would rather have married. He called me a 98% perfect woman. I won't divulge the 2% personal failing that would,perhaps, cause a few eyebrows to be raised.

Miffed

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:52 | 5291546 Mr.Miffed
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I did say that. And she and I laughed over that 2%. They drive us both crazy. Wish I could say the reverse was true.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:58 | 5292105 disabledvet
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"Wrath of Grape." No finer story ever told.

He was an underwear salesman from St Loius I believe. Had 'em in a bunch...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:11 | 5292151 Bear
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Mr and Mrs Miffe ... The family that blogs together stays together!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 20:06 | 5292340 Clever Name
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Kudos to you both!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:08 | 5290810 Pool Shark
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Sorry Fielding, these sourcses say otherwise:

http://www.sanjoaquinhistory.org/documents/HistorianNS5-4.pdf

http://www.redlandsfortnightly.org/papers/Taylor06.htm

 

Funny thing about the weather; winters tend to be cold and summers tend to be hot; some years tend to be dry, and others tend to be wet.

There are many things that will likely destroy California; drought is not one of them,,,

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:15 | 5290831 FieldingMellish
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A flood from 1862? So? Weather patterns can span centuries or millennia with periods temporarily going countertrend.

http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_24993601/california-drought-past-d...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:19 | 5290846 Pool Shark
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Okay, how about flooding from LAST MONTH?

http://www.weather.com/news/california-flooding-riverside-inland-empire-20140907

 

Jeez, people's perspectives are entirely out of whack...

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:21 | 5290853 FieldingMellish
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because you can't use local weather to determine climate.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2014/09/02/california-megadrought/...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:50 | 5290953 IREN Colorado
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California is a minor 3rd world country who's only value is it's ability to suck federal funds from the other 49 states to support its lifestyle. 

Cut California loose. Ditto New York, DC, Illinois.....

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:56 | 5290966 BandGap
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California grows >80% of the country's fruits and vegtables. Just sayin'.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:05 | 5290995 FieldingMellish
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"Lucky" for us they don't count food in the CPI. It's too... ahem... volatile.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:40 | 5291085 FlyinHigh
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BandGap: "California grows >80% of the country's fruits and vegetables"

 

California grows >80% of the country's fruits and nuts. And most of them live in the San Francisco area. Just sayin'.

There fixed it for ya.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:47 | 5291109 kaiserhoff
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True, but it's only grown in Cali because the dry weather makes it LOOK good, even though it often tastes like card board.  Fruit and veggies can be grown in most places, and we would be better off in many respects buying local produce.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:36 | 5291277 Calmyourself
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80% in the Winter, FIFU..  The Midwest in the summer is bumper crop heaven, long as it stops snowing long enough, damn Global warming is kicking our ass with snow and cold..

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:12 | 5291406 847328_3527
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Has the Fuki radiation made it there yet? That could throw a wrench in whatever their plans are.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:35 | 5291491 UncleSparky
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I have been checking the "Resoponsibly Sourced Wild Alasakan Smoked Salmon" from Sainsbury's the UK's favourite middle class supermarket with my Geiger Counter. Nothing yet

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:30 | 5291472 den1313
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Then the other 49 better get off their butts and get more Mexicans so fat ass Americans can live off of their labor like they do in California.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:11 | 5291001 Marley
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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-states-are-giv...

"

[W]ho really benefits from government spending? If you listen to Rush Limbaugh, you might think it was those blue states, packed with damn hippie socialist liberals, sipping their lattes and providing free abortions for bored, horny teenagers. . . . 

As it turns out, it is red states that are overwhelmingly the Welfare Queen States. Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill.

"

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:22 | 5291213 TheReplacement
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Welfare and all that is quite small potatoes when it comes to Federal money.  How many banksters, who receive TRILLION$, live in red states?  Answer, none.

Wanna talk about the MIC, foreign aid, or any of the other Federal make-work programs while we're at it?

Free your mind from the red-blue paradigm.  Try to see the whole picture not just the bits that your state handlers give you as talking points.

That brings up a good point.  How much are they sucking out of our wallets to pay you for spreading this disinformation?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:37 | 5291279 Calmyourself
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I for one don't give a shit, cut them all off....  By the way you are talking deep south.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 16:17 | 5291633 den1313
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Well, if you check actual 2014 governement statistics and not libtard documents you will see that California with a bit over 10% of the US population consumes almost one third of the government payments. Hawaii and Alaska are number 1 and 2 per capita, then MA, CN, DC, NY, NJ, RI, CA, VA. There are none of what are considered true red States in the top ten.

In any case, one has to wonder why we are paying so many people NOT TO WORK? What is the point? How does it help the economy? Why can we let local communities deal with it as they once did? Why are we going into massive debt to support the "Free Shit Army"? Is anyone aware that we are living off the sweat and blood of our children who will not be able to live as we have? 

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 17:20 | 5291834 NihilistZero
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CA pays more in FED taxes than it receives dumb fuck.  All you idiots who get your info on this state from Faux News might be suprised that there are a lot of hard working industrious folks in CA that unfortunately suffer under Team Blue politicians who get 55% of the vote on a 30% turnout.  Team Red actually RAISED our taxes last time they had the chance.  We're being held hostage by an imperial state government and you fucks are way to flippant about it.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:29 | 5292217 NihilistZero
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Facts are things downvoters...

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 21:19 | 5329700 IREN Colorado
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Once again we have a "joker" who does not understand math, facts, or truth! California's once vibrant economy now depends upon federal largess in order to keep itself upright. Take away its military bases, its federally funded university system (which produces absolutely nothing usefull except illiterate professors and ignorant students!), it's Federally funded Indian reservations, the forest service & BLM funding, it's locally domiciled federal aristocrats (FBI, ATF, DEA, EPA, CDC, IRS et. et. et) and you have just about nothing left. When they count the percent of the above funding California becomes a net receiver of benefits by 9% as of 2012. California also has over 250,000 federal employees alone (aka. resource sucking vampires), you can add to that another 215,000 or so retirees (old entitled vampires) receiving federal benefits care of the rest of US! Note to California: Hey, we can grow our own carrots and peas thank you, who are you going to get to pay for your slovenliness? 

California used to produce more than illegal welfare recipients. Now it produces nothing but grief for the rest of US. Cut Them OFF!

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-...

"CA is a net beneficiary to the tune of 9 cents (1.09)."

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:47 | 5291111 patb
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California could be a G-8 country on it's own with a GDP  of 2 trillion and 

producing as much as Russia and italy and more then Canada.

 

California also produces far more tax revenue then it takes away, unlike Mississippi or alabama which live off the 

Federal tit.  http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-...

 

 

 

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:38 | 5291288 Calmyourself
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By the time Jerry and his cronies are done with it, there will be no productive business left, just a shell.  A few years it will rank with Zimbabwe when it could be Rhodesia.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:43 | 5291525 Chief Wonder Bread
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There's not ONE state that's not a taker.

Reason: in case you didn't notice, DC has been running huge deficits for decades.

Otherwise, that map is kind of useful in identifying the biggest takers.

Tue, 10/14/2014 - 14:44 | 5329774 IREN Colorado
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Not so much. See my earlier response above.....

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:13 | 5291418 VegasBob
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If we cut Cali loose, who would come up with all the swindles that originate in Sillycon Valley?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 16:02 | 5291571 Landrew
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Tip for you, when you are ignorant, peoples perspectives seem out of whack. It's not just Ca., I work in Chile now and then, the major reservoirs are so low you can see the outlet piping and the construction rock at the bottoms.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 18:55 | 5292095 MontgomeryScott
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@ 'Pool Shark':

I don't understand the downvotes here (yet). I have looked at both these links, and find them quite credible.

People forget Krakatoa, though. When I was but a child, one of my favorite books was titled' The Twenty-One Balloons', by Pierre Boulle (as I recall the name, and I may not have spelled it correctly). It was a fictional story of an escape of Krakatoa before it erupted, back in about 1860 (as I recall as well). In Europe, a phenomenon known as 'The Little Ice Age' ensued, and it also caused the famous 'Irish Potato Famine' (as I also recall from historical studies). The tenements in NYC were populated with Irish for several decades due to this crop failure (and they were 'lovingly' referred to as 'Micks' and 'Sheenies').

The fact that drought IS destroying California seems to be an issue of acceptance for you, 'Pool Shark'. PERHAPS this is the reason for the 'downvoting'.

I give you an upvote for posting a true and lost historcal record, despite your strange opinions. "There are many things that will likely destroy California; drought is not one of them,,," I assume that you know this for a fact... and will share your secrets with all the readers.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:55 | 5292297 August
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+1 for the Twenty-One Balloons reference.

I still recall the Island's "economic system" with affection.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:17 | 5290838 PrecipiceWatching
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NOTHING is related to AGW. 

Total hogwash.

 

It is nothing but yet ANOTHER thieving, highly transparent, Marxist monetary redistribution scheme. 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:33 | 5291067 hairball48
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Precisely right. This drought could last decades, or even centuries.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:31 | 5291260 JLee2027
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At least until the liberals are removed from power. 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:41 | 5291294 Goldmund
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Maybe this is God's way of getting all all the Wetbacks to move back to Mexico?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 16:39 | 5291717 tenpanhandle
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They are now called dustbacks.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:43 | 5291300 Jack Burton
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Yes, FieldingMellish, you are correct. Just as you say, climate over California is reverting to the long time mean average, and that is near desert! Dry, that is the real norm for the American South West. Has been for untold thousands of years. The short Wet Spell that came just as America discovered the California lands, is a freak of nature, and now it is ending. This is not a subject for AGW. But, that does not make the record heat in the Western Pacific oceans a total non event. This pool of record heat can, and will make itself felt, that is basic physics from High School. What the result will be is not known, but it will make an impact sooner or later, all heat seeks to move toward a cooler area, that drives weather, along with the earths spin, and solar heating.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 20:35 | 5292459 messymerry
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Tree ring studies of the bristlecone pines in Eastern California bear this out...  National Geographic did a very good expose on this called:  "The Drying of the West".  It's a good read.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/02/drying-west/kunzig-text

Enjoy,,,

;-D

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:13 | 5290822 benb
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Hope you're right but you're probably wrong about the cycle.

The lab rat reaction posters on Z/H don't ever seem to come out of their trance; are either too cowardly, or are too brainwashed to face the tune. Tyler throws out the subject/news story and half the zombies here take it at face value. Anything coming from the government is never the real story... and the Banks are government, and the government is the 'News Media.'

Fact: The criminals who have overthrown the legitimate government are using weather modification to create the drought. Go read up on it. It's called the Agenda 21 / U.N. takeover. I'm getting tired of hearing you guys talking out your butts.

Start by Turning Off Your T.V.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:19 | 5290842 OceanX
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Forgive me for my ignorance, as per my academic background, when someone is going to post FACTS, the expectation is a site of sources.  In the form of peer reviewed studies...

Could you please provide your: credentials, where you live, how you earn a living (to determine potential bias) And finally, site your soures for your alleged facts?

 

Sorry, but I am always skeptical of someone that is absolute, sounds to much like religion...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:36 | 5290906 benb
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Get this straight. I'm not here to wipe your ass. You have access to the Web; so read up on this silent war being waged upon us all.

Read about Agenda 21. Read about Weather Modification, The Rockefeller Brother's Foundation, and eugenics.

As far as peer reviewed papers ... you can throw most of those government controlled, eugenic university documents in the trash. If you haven't noticed the criminal Janet 'The Bull' Napolitano is heading the U.C. System. Harvard is the same etc.

If you don't think the education system is subverted and a lot of the garbage they are publishing is controlled then start here. (The first 30 minutes is slow but well worth the watch)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezTIYd5UFRY

 

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:58 | 5290973 benb
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For further insight -

Professor Darell Hamamoto - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH4Kb0sVHv8

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:45 | 5291315 Jack Burton
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I can't find anything in your claims. Nothing, I will await some better proofs. A statement like yours requires proofs, or at least strong evidence that can be verified. But it just is not there.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 17:18 | 5291844 benb
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Jack you make some great comments on this site.

What I’m speaking of isn’t too hard to follow up on.

The first link I gave was to Charlotte Thompson’s interview entitled The Miseducation of America Part 1. Like I said the first 30 minutes starts out slow but the information she relates is critical in understanding the intentionally subverted education system. At one point she refers to 1910 Carnegie Foundation documents indicating that World War I was to be staged. (And of course all the major wars are staged) As number 2 in policy at The Department of Education she obtained restricted documents showing that it is just a Marxist command center run by the Ruling Oligarchy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezTIYd5UFRY

 

The second link I gave was a 14 minute introduction to the U.C. Davis Professor Darell Hamamoto, a Fulbright Scholar and former Rockefeller Foundation Fellow turned Whistleblower.  What Hamamoto asserts is that an important aspect of the takeover is subverting the education system by indoctrinating and basically brainwashing university level instructors who will in turn subvert their students.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VMXw_0QJJA

In a July 14 interview on Alex Jones, Hamamoto went into detail how the Foundations fund university level fronts to acclimate us to the results of the government’s current program of physiologically morphing the population into homosexuals and transgenders through the spiking of the food and water with chemical additives.

As far as the phony drought just start reading about weather modification, HAARP, Chemtrails (Aerosol Spraying), U.S. Air Force – Controlling the Weather by 2025, or enter in your search engine – phony ca drought and parse through the articles.

You might read this short piece as well -http://blogs.naturalnews.com/red-alert-engineered-drought-murdering-cali...

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 21:48 | 5292703 MsCitizen2
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Sorry, but you just LOST me at "chemtrails" - Bwaa ha ha!

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 00:10 | 5292892 benb
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The government uses the term 'aerosol spraying' and calls their monsterous program  'geo-engineering.'

NASA admits they have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching the surface by around 20%

They call it Global Dimming.

We are being treated as lab rats.

Geoengineering Investigation Demanded by Shasta County Residents -

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4WhYKP83zo&feature=youtu.be

 

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 01:40 | 5293330 Clashfan
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Ben is right about all of this.
Mon, 10/06/2014 - 06:22 | 5293488 Alvin Fernald
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The weather is def. managed. +1 to benb for mentioning it.
Here is a big-assed list of geoengineering companies:
http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineering-company-directory/

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 23:07 | 5293006 Implied Violins
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You want proof? How about someone who worked in the system, whistleblowing on the air force for chemtrailing?

https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/05/26/kristen-meghan-geoengineering-...

(the action picks up around 6 minutes)

Not good enough? How about this video:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/engineered-drought-catastrophe-target...

Lots more reading at this website, most all of it with solid scientific backing:

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/

The information is out there - geoengineering is REAL.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:01 | 5290985 OceanX
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Calm down and take your meds, all will be well...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:10 | 5291004 vie
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OceaX, You sound like a shill in more ways than one ... just saying.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:27 | 5291039 OceanX
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No, I am not a shill and I do find myself, sometimes, polarized in my beliefs.  However, I try to seperate FACT from Opinion.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:50 | 5291118 PrecipiceWatching
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And like all academics you are absolutely full of yourself.

 

And as always with your smug, talentless ilk, with no legitmate reason.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:09 | 5291140 OceanX
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Wow, so quick to judge and jump to conclusions. 

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:41 | 5291295 ThirdWorldDude
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Actually it's you who's jumping to conclusions and I share the opinion that you're a pretentious prick.

 

Since Mr. Academia tends to trust facts in books, while being sceptical to facts coming out of his interweb surroundings, read "Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" and come back to tell us what you think.

Mon, 10/06/2014 - 02:05 | 5293350 MeBizarro
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Another imbecile who thinks that man has the power to globally control weather patterns through satellites and effect it as they wish & when they wish.  It is staggering this has 40 upvotes and 3 downvotes. 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:23 | 5291009 vie
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It doesn't take much awareness to realize how controlled the media and academia are.  Few people are willing to bite the hand that feeds them and the ones that do don't last long.  The ones that don't get put down for going against the establishment go on happily believing they're free to do what they want, they just don't have the balls to do it.  It's not a conspiracy, it's practically the natural order of things.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:33 | 5291063 OceanX
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Yes, but the west being dry is not a new thing.  A good read is "Beyond the 100th Meridian"

John Wesly Powell warned about arid conditions in the west 150 years ago.  Further, a 900 year climate study, using tree ring data, has scientist thinking the last 100 years was a wet period and perhaps, things are returning to a little more normal.  Also,  climate scientist expect wet areas to become more wet and dry areas to become more dry. 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:13 | 5291011 ebear
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The correct spelling is cite, for which I cite the following:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cite

A common mistake, since many people today get their information from web sites, which may or may not cite actual academic studies or persons in authority.  A bit disturbing, nonetheless, since academicians use the word on a routine basis, and thus ought to know how it's spelled.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:23 | 5291033 OceanX
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+1,  thanks:)

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:16 | 5291425 jemlyn
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If you're an academic how is it that you don't know the difference between "site" and "cite"?

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!