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The Siege Of Kobani: Obama's Syrian Fiasco In Motion
Submitted by David Stockman via Contra Corner blog,
Another humanitarian catastrophe may be just hours away at Kobani. The latter is the Syrian Kurdish town on the border with Turkey that is now surrounded by ISIS tanks and is being pounded day after day by ISIS heavy artillery. Already this lethal phalanx, which fuses 21st century American technology and equipment with 12th century religious fanaticism, has rolled through dozens of Kurdish villages and towns in the region around Kobani, sending 180,000 refugees fleeing for their lives across the border.
Self-evidently the lightly armed Kurdish militias desperately holding out in Kobani are fighting the right enemy—-that is, the Islamic State. So why has Obama’s grand coalition not been able to relieve the siege? Why haven’t American bombers and cruise missiles, for instance, been able to destroy the American tanks and artillery which a terrifying band of butchers has brought to bear on several hundred thousand innocent Syrian Kurds who have made this enclave their home for more than a century? Why has not NATO ally Turkey, with a 600,000 man military, 3,500 tanks and 1,000 modern aircraft and helicopters, done anything meaningful to help the imperiled Kurds?
Let’s see. The US is making perfunctory air strikes. Yet with no boots on the ground in the context of close urban combat in a city of 50,000 - a major air onslaught would result in massive civilian casualties. Although Obama already has much blood on his hands, he is apparently not ready for a Gaza-on-the-Euphrates.
So then why doesn’t Turkey put some infantry and spotters on the ground - highly trained “boots” that are literally positioned a few kilometers away on its side of the border?
Well, Turkish President Erdogan just explained his government’s reluctance quite succinctly, as reported by Bloomberg on Saturday:
For us, ISIL and the (Kurdish) PKK are the same,” Erdogan said in televised remarks today in Istanbul.
And that’s literally true because from Turkey’s vantage point the Kobani showdown is a case of terrorist-on-terrorist. The Kurdish fighters in Kobani are linked to the Kurdistan Workers’ Party or PKK. The latter has waged a separatist campaign of armed insurrection and terror inside and around Turkey for 30-years and has long been considered Turkey’s top security threat. In fact, Turkey has received untold amounts of US aid, equipment and intelligence over the years to help suppress this uprising. That’s the reason that PKK is officially classified as a “terrorist” group by the U.S. and the government in Ankara.
And, no, the Syrian and Turkish Kurds so classified as terrorists are not some black sheep cousins of the “good guy” Kurds in Erbil and northeastern Iraq that CNN parades every night as America’s heroic ally on the ground. They are all part of the greater Kurdish nation of some 30 million who inhabit southeastern Turkey, northeastern Syria and Iraq and western Iran. Taken together, these Kurdish enclaves comprise the single largest ethnic population in the Middle East that does not have its own state, and which has been a source of irredentist conflict and instability for decades.
As a matter of fact, Erdogan has been pursuing a rapprochement with the Turkish Kurds for the better part of the last decade and had actually made progress in quelling the violence and initiating a political solution. Yet Washington’s two latest campaigns of “regime change” could not have been more inimical to a peaceful resolution of the region’s long-festering Kurdish problem. And, of course, the historic roots of that problem were served up by the West 100 years ago when its strip pants diplomats carved out borders that gave practically every major ethnic group their own nation, except the Kurds.
In that context, the Bush/neocon destruction of Saddam’s dictatorship in Iraq paved the way for fragmentation of the Sykes-Picot borders and the de facto partition of Iraq, including a rump Kurdish state in the northeast. Then Washington’s foolish delusion that it was spending $25 billion to train and equip an “Iraqi army” added fuel to the fire.
The so-called Iraqi army was never a national military arm of the Iraqi state because the latter had already failed owing to the onslaught of the US “liberation” and occupation. Instead, it was a glorified Shiite militia whose members had no interest in dying to protect or hold Sunni lands in the west and north. So the “Iraqi army’s” American arms, abandoned wholesale and then captured by ISIS, literally created the necessity for the Syrian Kurds to mobilize and arm themselves in self defense. Presently, another rump Kurdish state rose along much of Turkey’s 560-mile Syrian border.
The original trigger for that development had actually been Anderson Cooper’s War to liberate the Syrian people from the brutish but secular regime that ruled them in Damascus. It too set off forces of fragmentation and partition that have now come home to roost in Kobani.
Thus, after the Arab spring uprising in 2011, the US ambassador to Syria pulled the equivalent of what we now call a “Yats” or an organized campaign to overthrow the government to which he was accredited; and in short order the R2P ladies aid society in the White House (Susan Rice and Samantha Powers) made the State Department’s maneuvering to undermine Syria’s constitutionally elected government official policy, proclaiming that Bashar Assad “has to go”.
In no time, the Kurdish enclaves in Syria essentially declared their independence, and reached a modus vivendi with Damascus. Namely, they would keep Assad’s main enemy—the majority Sunni Arabs—-out of the Kurdish enclaves on the central and eastern Syrian border with Turkey in return for being left alone and exempt from visitations by the Syrian air force.
Needless to say, that looked to the Turks like collaboration with Assad - whose removal from power ranks far higher on Ankara’s priority scale than making war on ISIS. On the other hand, Turkey’s proposal to staunch the flood of Kurdish and other Syrian refugees across its border by occupying a 20 mile “buffer zone” inside Syria is seen by the Kurds as a plot against them. As Bloomberg explains,
Kurds say the plan is aimed at crushing their nascent autonomous administration, carved out during Syria’s three-year civil war as Assad’s government lost control of their part of the country. Turkey says the Syrian Kurds are collaborating with Assad and should have been fighting him.
Meanwhile, the modern-day George Washington of the Kurdish peoples, Abdullah Ocalan, who has languished in a Turkish prison on an island outside Istanbul since 1999, warns that if Turkey does not come to the aid of Kobani his negotiations with Erdogan might end and the three decade civil war which had resulted in 40,000 Turkish deaths might resume. Yet as one expert in the region further explained to Bloomberg, coming to the aid of the Kurdish militia affiliated with the PKK would go beyond the pale for Ankara:
It’s “unthinkable” for Turkey to go beyond that and assist PKK-linked groups such as the Syrian Kurds, according to Nihat Ali Ozcan, an analyst at the Economic Policy Research Foundation in Ankara.
“No Turkish politician can explain to the public why the government is aiding the PKK and its affiliated groups after fighting against it for 30 years,” he said by phone.
In short, the region’s logical bulwark against ISIS - the huge, modern, lethal Turkish military - is stymied by a tide of Kurdish irredentism that Washington’s “regime change” policy has elicited all around it and within Turkey’s own borders. In fact, it now has two rump Kurdistan’s on its borders and its huge internal Kurdish population bestirred and mobilized in a pan-Kurdish drama. Rather than progressing toward internal political settlement, the Kurdish political leadership in Ankara—-which has supported Erdogan in return for lavish economic development funds in Kurdish areas—is now openly critical:
“The people of Kobani feel deserted and furious,” Faysal Sariyildiz, another pro-Kurdish legislator, said yesterday.
The current activities of the Turkish military on the border check-by-jowl with the ISIS militants laying siege to Kobani say it all. On the one hand, they are managing the flow of Syrian Kurdish refugees desperately fleeing across the border. At the same time, they are systematically attempting to stop the inflow of native Turkish Kurd fighters streaming toward Kobani to join the defense of their kinsmen. Ankara clearly does not want Turkish Kurds to become battle-trained in urban warfare. So far, however, they have apparently not fired even a single round of artillery at the ISIS-manned American tanks that are within a kilometer of an epic slaughter in Kobani.
Vice-President Biden was right for once. Washington has no real allies in the region because they all have another agenda. Turkey is focused on its near enemy in the Kurdish regions and its far enemy in Damascus, not the ISIS butchers who have laid claim to the Sunni lands of Euphrates valley in parts of what used to be Iraq and Syria. The Qataris want Assad gone and a new government—even one controlled by ISIS—which will grant them a pipeline concession through Syria in order to tap the giant European market for their immense natural gas reserves.
Likewise, the Saudi’s want to destroy the Assad regime because it is allied with their Shiite enemy across the Persian Gulf in Iran and because they fear their own abused Shiite populations which are concentrated in their oilfield regions. Consequently, they see the fight against ISIS as essentially a pretext for escalating their war against Damascus, and are not even interested in bombing the non-ISIS jihadi like the Nusra Front that they see as allies in the campaign against Assad.
At the end of the day, Obama’s air campaign amounts to nothing more than a glorified international air force training exercise. Pilots and air crews from the UK, Denmark, Belgium, France, Australia, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Jordan etc. will get to run a few live fire sorties at politically correct targets. So the Brits will bomb in Iraq but not Syria; the Saudi’s will bomb ISIS targets close to Assad-held territories, but not Nusra Front positions; and the Qataris will go along for the ride pretending to help, even as they preserve deniability that they ever dropped an actual bomb for that day down the road when they seek to make a pipeline deal with the Islamic State.
Never in recorded history has a fading imperial power conducted a more feckless, pointless, and strategically irrational war. The ISIS beheadings are surely barbaric, but they pose no threat to the security and safety of the American people that can’t be handled by enhanced domestic vigilance and police protection. After all, isn’t it evident after 20 years of the so-called war on terror that somewhere on the planet earth failed states and god-forsaken desert and mountain redoubts will always give rise to radical sects and violent gangs that cannot be exterminated with bombs and drones?
Indeed, the real lesson is that by inserting itself into tribal and sectarian conflicts in these pockets of anarchy Washington only succeeds in generating more of the same. That is exactly what the siege of Kobani is all about.
So maybe Joe Biden could explain this to the big thinkers in the White House. If the Turks are unwilling to stop an easily preventable mass slaughter by ISIS on their own doorstep what kind of fractured and riven coalition has Washington actually assembled? And how will this coalition of the disingenuous, the hypocritical and the politically opportunistic ever succeed in bringing peace and stability to the historic cauldron of tribal and religious conflict in Mesopotamia and the Levant that two decades of Washington’s wars and regime change interventions have only drastically intensified?
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The Mack daddy needs to look up in the airmans dictionary the term scud running because that's what he does everything he's involved with
..Whatever Nobel Peace Prize winner, Obama's Human Rights foreign policy is today...You know it's not about any genuine Human Rights but about USSA Petrodollar Rights instead.
Steel Rain.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7fj97-UckI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMShVkgvQEs
obola- you are the man!
"When barbarians kill barbarians, make popcorn and enjoy the show."
Sun "Crazy Sonny" Szu The Art of (Political) Whores.
Note: Isn't Kobani a brand of yogurt? No such thing as bad publicity. One day we will have wars sponsored by Apple ®™.
The "United States of Amnesia" forgets they have not won a major military engagement since Normandy so they keep the hammer vs. head axis & trajectory moving flawlessly. Well, Raytheon, Lockheed-Martin, and Halliburton have won bigtime, American people not so much.
Draw a line around the Kurds, like they did with Muslims in India when they created Pakistan), tell them it's a nation and they all need to go there. 1 million died during the creation of Pakistan but since then India has been (relatively) peaceful.
I thought higher of David until now. Of course, without plentiful oil, the USA's Kings' regime will fall. David is confusing the interest of the people with the interest of the Pharaohs.
Your comment should go viral.
Fukushima: Tsunami from typhoon may hit nuclear plant, cause possible radioactive cesium release
http://wtfrly.com/2014/10/05/fukushima-tsunami-may-hit-nuclear-plant-cau...
Possible? That cesium never stopped releaseing since 4/11. That 'accident' will kill off any critter that uses calcium as it will up take cesium as well. With a half life of 30 some years thats going to kill most and mutate the rest into something not as stable.
ELE, slow motion train wreck. So sit back and injoy the show, theres on where you can hide from this.
Politicians do what furthers their agends.
So some village full of brown people is destroyed and hundreds killed.
Didn't fit the agenda.
3 Israeli teenagers???
Now THAT'S another thing altogether.
"ALL hail Eris!"
I must have missed the #kobaniunderattack
and the breathless reporting on the loss of precious arabic life.
Oh wait; that was the evil JOOOOS attacking the innocent Hamasians.
Never mind
why not send in JSIL to save the day, dave... isn't that what all this is about anyway?
http://rt.com/news/192552-israel-jsil-twitter-isis/
Nice one Z, another keeper is HATO (NATO in cyrillic slang).
Now just one stinking minute here!
A retired USAF occifer and a retired US Army occifer, both claimed on CNN that everything was hunky dory?
So that's that for the volunteer military, the army of fun?
Show for Nov elections is only reason for bombing. After elections, victory will be declared and bombing will be focused on rock formations. Lots of practice. meaningless exercise. Bloody beheading for many caught in the middle.
And how will this coalition of the disingenuous, the hypocritical and the politically opportunistic ever succeed in bringing peace and stability to the historic cauldron of tribal and religious conflict in Mesopotamia and the Levant that two decades of Washington’s wars and regime change interventions have only drastically intensified?
The game has always been to have more war. A permanent war for a permanent peace. Too much money to be made in wars to stop wars. The Nobel Prize Winner tried to start this war with Syria last year with lies about sarin but Putin stymied that effort. And Putin got rewarded with his own war in Ukraine. Blessed are the peacemakers, as they will get a war on their doorstep.
Why has everyone conveniently forgotten that ISIS was made in America?
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html
The fact remains, however, that the US, the major European powers, and their regional allies all previously lent financial, military and political support to ISIS and similar groups, which have “Made in the USA” stamped all over them. They have, until now, played a significant part in Washington’s efforts to overthrow the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, as part of a broader effort to gain control of the region’s vast energy resources and transit routes.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/07/30/isis-j30.html
It would appear ZH is also falling for the propaganda. This is made-for-order for Turkey so Turkey will now have the excuse to invade Syria. Come on already! Turkey is itching to find a pretext to invade Syria.
Why?
bacause erdogan's masters demand it.
Not to mention the Turk Natgas processing plant standing idle until the Qutari pipeline is finished.
Erdogan's deal with SA and Qatar. They fund him with Islamic loans in order to get the IMF out of Turkey, in exchange he implements Islamic law in Turkey (already in progress) and pushes for their interests in Turkey's area of influence. Look out for Greece getting in trouble over the Turkish minority in Thrace soon.
because Im Bulgarian and we are right next door to Turkey and Bulgaria was under Ottoman empire rule for 500+ years untill the Ruskies came and freed us. Also, I been reading the news. The Turkish parlament just voted to send troops into Turkey.
Is Bulgaria going to let Russia (Gazprom) run the south stream pipeline through Bulgaria?
Turkish troops into Turkey...
Wow...
Erdogan is.. not the Turkish military..the fundamentalist dirtbags have a different agenda, they are obssessed with throwing Esad out::)
Turkey is not itching to invade Syria.
Does NATO really want a war with Russia?
What has NATO done about the Ukraine situation?
Nothing.
And they don't want to get into a pissing match with Russia in Syria either.
WOW, amazing trolling.
Yes, they actually do. NATO has done plenty. Going right up to Russia's border and setting up missles you call "nothing"? Wow, amazing trolling. imagine Russia sets up missles in Mexico on USA border.
Remember that little incident called "Cuban missles crisis"? Probably not from your trolling.
Next thing you'd call the Russians paranoid.
As for Syria, training thousands of mersenaries and sending them againts Assad, and giving them weapons is "nothing" for you?
Come on, Barry. You know you have to put boots on the ground then push into Iran or your puppet- masters gon' cut the strings!
Just say it. "What has that stupid nigger asshole done now? "
all this make my head hurt much.
and really, none of my business or
in my sphere of influence. still,
they say my government is intimately
involved and probably screwing it
all up out of control. the fed will
finance it all i suppose? the yetborn can
pay someday and the innocent can pay today.
All of this violence in the middle east is really surprising. It used to be such a peaceful place.
We should do something about this...
Maybe send them some cultural sensitivity counselors.
Maybe start some "Women's Studies" in their universities.
That'll make them much more sensitive. You know...just like women.
I was hoping the cultural sensitivity counselors would make appearances in ISIS videos.
Oh, Reggie, you are evil. Funny, but evil.
Ur not kidding?
Where did they get those US tanks and Arty pieces? Who paid for them? Who trained them to use them?
USA did all this
In particular, the CIA.
They got them from overun Iraqi military bases.
How they were paid for is a mix of US taxpayers and Iraqi oil revenues. Plus the US didn't have the cost of bringing the gear home, storing it etc after the Iraq war. Oh and the Army could then buy nice new shiny stuff to replace it.
Probably trained by ex Iraqi Army Sunnis who deserted or by the CIA in Jordon.
Send about 1,000 Hezbollah in there with Russian Koret anti-tank missiles. Pay them a bounty of $1,000 a tank. Problem solved. This all BS because iSIS is the uSA.
ISIS and Israel do not like fighting against Hezbollah.
The ultimate goal is the overthrow of Assad and then on to the rest of the Sykes-Picot despots. Barack Hussien is an anti-colonialist and his mission is to return the world to the Pre-White-European colonialist oppressor condition. If you understand his motives it is easier to understand what B.O. is doing and that he is NOT incompentent.
I don't believe that for one minute. Obama is merely a puppet and no real power except what his handlers give him. He does as he is told or, it's goodnight!
Obama, if you've been keeping up with the non-MSM news, is really quite stupid.
Yeh, he was for a minute. Then a few beheadings, women getting circumcised and children being buried alive in mass graves snapped him out of that neomarxist dream. He's doing what his handlers are telling him to do at this point. Ironically, they themselves don't have a clue what the "ultimate goal" is, besides the day to day survival of the USD.
Does this mean he will be sending the darkies back to Africa?
In this lengthy article there is one glaring omission. Russia is not mentioned.
As an ally of Assad, and and having an interest in preventing the pipeline across Syria from being built, what do we reckon Putin is thinking at this time?
Once the dust settles in the Ukraine he'll turn his full attention on Syria, and I have a feeling things are really going to get interesting.
Iran and Syria also have a mutual defence pact.
Unless things have changed drastically over the years,Turkish conscripts would not not
a week against either.
but of course, the psychopaths attempting to bring scripture to fruition by destroying Syria actually want WWIII. looking for a logical explanation to motives is thus a waste of time.
Scripture came to fruition already a hundred years ago with the Zionist labor movement. From that neck of the woods don't be expecting any grand biblical aspirations in relation to Syria. They'll take what they can get, but only at a reasonable price - if you will, at a discount. Otherwise, it's just marinating at home in Canaan trying to keep up with the big boys in the global fiat game. The psychopaths today responsible for ww3esque violence actually happen to be holding Kurans in their hands. Get real dawg.
Have a look anyhow at who is and where the Assad family came from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawites
They look all white, so hence the name.
The irony is the Evangelicals favorite country is working with Obama's USSA, Turkey, the Saudis and Qatar to kill Syrian Christians. Syria and Assad's Army plus Hezbollah have been protecting Syrians and Syrian Christians.
Email this article to every young man and woman who says they want to enlist. And to their family members.
Why?
Ah, but you asked a question requiring explanation through reasoning.
Which One is EastAsia?
turkey,qatar,israel and saudi arabia.the cia and the mi6.
all gone rogue.
a coalition of willing pschopaths.
satanic talmudick nazis go bandar ape
fuck all these rabbis and the pope in rome
init
Who oes Turkey hate more, ISIS, Syria. or the Kurds? Decisions, decisions!
Who does the US support, Turkey (NATO member), Israel (runs American politics), or the Kurds (useful geopolitical pawn)?
The Kurds hate the Turks.
The Turks hate the Kurds.
The Israelis find the Kurds useful, but trust?
The Kurds find the Israelis useful, but trust?
The Turks hate the Israelis, but find them useful.
The Israelis hate the Turks on principle, thier being Muslims and gentiles, but the Turks can be useful.
ISIS is either a thorn in the side, a distraction, a ploy, or a misdirection, depending.
Syria was once Ottoman territory... Syria has almost always been a part of an empire, never been sovereign.
I wish it was that simple.
Ok, fast forward and with small support from the united states, Syria and Iran see a regime change. Will the would be at peace and everyone happy? Pipes get laid and central banks get made. Will there be Peace?
If a pipeline is the aim peace is a necessity ... they're kinda fragile and hard to protect.
United States, Britain, Israel etc. are Just Colonies
http://henrymakow.com/united_states_britain_israel_a.html
With a Nato army in Turkey sitting on the sidelines one wonders whom this "poxy proxy" war has in its cross hairs :
Al Assad or ISIS?
Maybe we are missing the whole point in our historical thread : the enemy is OSIRIS-Assad (not ISIS) and... we are HORUS !
Shades of Land of the Pharoahs!
And here I was thinking this was all about war of civilization and the supremacy between Crusade and Jihad as part of the Abrahamic thread.
Just as a reminder : the day Saladin took Jerusalem from the Crusaders (1187) it opened a wound that even after nine centuries has still not healed !
Potus is Horus just as GWB was Saint Louis. Thats called historical regression.
We go back centuries as we are scared of the fossil-less future!
When a civilization (ours) does not know where its coming from how n hell can it know where its going?
Great balls of Obscuranist fire!
Mesopotamia, as all of Persia, where building a mountain of skulls of beheaded victims, is a tradition (Hulagu 1258/Tamerlane 1401). This last ruler is purported to have killed --by beheadings-- thousands in Isphahan, Delhi, Damascus, Bagdad. The mountain of cut heads was always impressive. 17 000 000 died in his campaigns of "convert or die". Isis still has a long way to go to match that!
And the winner is: ?????? There is not going to be a winner but many, many loosers.
And who started this slaughtering and suffering? Very clearly:
Cameron and his Zionist crew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY
And Cameron does not allow that one refugee from Syria is getting permission to enter the UK. They are all terrorists. While Germany should do more and take more refugees from Syria while already more than 100,000 arrived in Germany till now. So the UK is starting the war but is not taking responsibility when things go wrong. Thats something for the stupid krauts.
I hope every single of those fucking war mongerers take the next flight to Ebola.
I have a feeling ebola will be showing up there 5 4 3 2 1...
Let me see: Hey Abdul, go to liberia and draw some blood from people dying from Ebola. Now be careful brother or you will be our first suicide bomber. How many suicide bombers are in the que? OK, bring back 100 ml.
Abdul returns: Abdul, are you running a fever? No, I think you are, so you just volunteered. Here is the best suicide vest, go to Baghdag, get to the green zone and when you start Hemorrhaging blood and the most people are leaving push the button. Allah'u Akbar
This shit is just too easy. Watch out San Diego, Tucson, El Paso, and Brownsville. If I lived in these USA towns on the border, I would be leaving. As you watch TV and the panic everyone seems to believe this one guy from Liberia has brought to America, can you imagine a suicide bomber in a USA mall?
May Homeland Security Department save America. Holy shit, does Secret Service report into the Homeland Security management? uh oh!
The world is in chaos.
See that is why we need government.
ISIS/ISIL are Obama's boos y'all. Dey his street army.
I'm sure Turks will finally intervene, but only as soon as the vaste majority of Kurdish military power has been erased by ISIS.
Just WWIII in progress. After some time it will be MadMax to the max. Karma & reincarnation simply rule the material sphere. Not a blade of grass moves without the will of God. Just find out where it actually moves. Hare Krishna.
Dammit it is Footballl Season , where guys wear others mens name and walk around proud. Amerikans have been pussified and dumbed down. End of story.
Great article.
Turkey is actively supporting ISIS with treatment in turkish hospitals, keeping the kurds from getting close to the border and supplying amunition. ISIS is a great dissapointment for Turkey, they where supposed to crush the kurds, kobani 500 youth with AK47, ISIS 10K with the best the US can offer. If Kobani does not fall the next action is probably a false flag at the tomb of Suleyman Shah.
http://www.alalam.ir/news/1638134
A DARWIN couple say they have been ordered to take down the Australian flag from their front yard because of the “current political climate.”
This was the headline in The NT news this morning Pretty f***ed up when a vet cant wave his flag in his own country any more!
http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/couple-told-to-take-down-australian-flag-b...
I suspect the faux coalition falls apart because of the complexity of what we are actually doing. We will simultaneously oppose Assad, support "good" rebels fighting him, kill the bad rebels who are fighting the good rebels, and fighting Assad and actually anyone of a different group. We will then get good Muslims, Shia and Sunni especially to help us fight the bad Muslims who are sometimes fighting Assad, sometimes fighting rebels and sometimes fighting good Muslims, Persians, Arabs and Kurds. We will train "good" rebels who heretofore we could not tell from "bad" rebels a.k.a. ISIS and hope they don't turn out to be or become "bad" rebels in the future.
How would you like to be the Special Forces trainers sitting in a class getting ready to deploy. Instructor: "Okay men, the first class is how to tell "good" Muslim rebels from bad Muslims from good Muslims that go bad. This will be followed by, a class on telling the difference between Kurds, Shia, Sunni's, Yazidi, bad Sunni's, bad Shia, Assad Alawhite, Assad Shia in Lebanon, bad Sunni's in Iraq, good Sunni's in Syria, bad Sunni's in Iraq, the differences in Kurds from Syria, Iraq and Turkey some of whom our allies, like, tolerate or dislike and so on. This will be followed by updates on who we like and who is on our side this week versus who has changed sides and wants to now kill us. Stay tuned men, because it can change at any moment."
From a post I made a few weeks, ago. You seriously could not script this stuff for a Monty Python movie.
Sounds like a fine example of "foreign entanglements".
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...
"The Crimes of Saddam Hussein
By Dave Johns
1999 Supression of the 1991 Uprising"
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/iraq501/events_uprising.html
"One month into the first Gulf War, in February 1991, President George H.W. Bush called on the Iraqi people to stage a coup. He asked them “to take matters into their own hands and force Saddam Hussein, the dictator, to step aside.” Millions heard the call. If the United States, which was then bombing Iraq, was on their side, they felt sure they could depose Saddam."
...
"The emboldened rebels wanted to move on Baghdad. They asked for support from the allied forces, still on the ground in southern Iraq, but were rebuffed. The Americans feared the Shi’iah insurgents were aligned with Iranian Islamists. With that, the uprising was doomed. Soon came the counterattack from Baghdad. Saddam’s Republican Guard fought the resistance in Karbala. Civilians and rebels fled the city. On the roads leading out, Iraqi army helicopter crews poured kerosene on the refugees, then set them on fire. American aircraft circled high overhead, watching. Saddam’s forces began systematically crushing the uprising. Basra was the first city to fall, after just a week out of Saddam’s control. Iraqi tanks captured a road above the city and pelted it with heavy machine guns. Basra General Hospital issued 600 death certificates, though many more were killed. There were mass executions of civilians, some of whom were tied to tanks and used as human shields. In Karbala, some of Shiite Islam’s holiest shrines were destroyed. Others were used as centers for murder, torture and rape. In Najaf, residential areas were bombed, and hospital staff and patients were murdered. The homes of suspected rebels were destroyed while the suspects were executed in the streets.
Next Saddam redirected his forces to the North. Kirkuk was bombarded with artillery, and hospitals were targeted. The Kurdish insurgents were in a topographical bind –– most of the cities they held sat on a plain below mountains and were impossible to defend. The rebel fighters retreated into the mountains with their families. As they backed away, Iraqi helicopters threw flour on them –– a cruel reminder of the powdery chemical weapons that killed Kurds by the thousands during Saddam’s Anfal campaign."
"More than 2 million Kurds fled into the snowy peaks between Iran and Turkey. Children died from typhoid, dehydration and dysentery. Some refugees were blown up by land mines. At one point in 1991, an estimated 2,000 Kurds were dying every day. The U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees called the exodus the largest in its 40–year history.
Later, under a Western security umbrella, the Kurds returned to set up self–rule in the three northern provinces of Arbil, Dohuk and Sulaimaniya. Once autonomy was declared, many Kurds living beneath a line denoting the northern no–fly zone were killed by Saddam’s regime, according to the U.S. State Department."
jonjon, you rock. I did not think anyone besides myself remembered that. My jaw nearly dropped when I saw George Bush, Sr. encourage a rebellion. I thought, "Well, I guess we are going back in to finish what was unfinished." Then we just let them hang out to dry...or die en masse. If you ask me this may have been the worst American atrocity ever, an indirect one albeit, but still squarely at our feet. I am not one who believes all the leftist and conspiracy BS but we owned this one.
It is the reason that when we came back in Gulf Two under Bush Two the Shia were not really so excited to see us and they never have been since then.
This is some of the abject, absolutely moronic, stupid, shortsighted, ever unreliable American foreign policy that we practice these days. Do you think anyone from Estonia to Iraq thinks they can depend on America past the next election? If they do, they are idiots.
I have no love whatsoever for the Shia but to this day the dishonor of that whole situation still bugs me and we live in its shadow. This is also why we are supposed to properly declare and then execute wars. However, no Republican or Democrat President can be bothered and a spineless Congress rubber stamps every executive decision.
Nice post, jonjon.
Cameron and his Zionist crew they are responsible. Here is the proof presented by the former French Foreign Minister Dumas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeyRwFHR8WY
And if it wasn't confusing enough - The Pakistani Taliban just joined ISIS...
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-29494772
Them muslims are really pissed at america and us retards that jumped on the war-wagon!
Bomb them some more - that'll help calm things down! Why do I get the feeling we just got dragged into their 1000+ year war.
ISIS, Taliban, Al Quesack, they are all ragheads deserving death from the sky.
But were too pussy to use nukes.
Peace by pounding to sand pays well with $50,000 hammers to buy from good ole boys and bankers on the people's credit.
"Already this lethal phalanx, which fuses 21st century American technology and equipment with 12th century religious fanaticism..."
Couldn't that be said about the DC US' and evangelical Christians' war against the Iraqis and Afghans starting in 2002?!
"Already this lethal phalanx, which fuses 21st century American technology and equipment with 1st century religious fanaticism..."
An American, not US subject.
"Challenge a evangelical Christian to forgive a Muslim for being Muslim."
Can "we" say Iraq oil for food blockade?...
In the infamous words of the Zionist devil witch Madeleine Albright...
"We think it was worth it!"...
How did isis get so much U.S. hardware?
I would say cheek by jowl not check by jowl.
I would say that Turkey has a moral imperative to get to work.
Apparently not!
As the reisident Misanthrope, I would say that human kind may not make it.
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As the reisident Misanthrope, I would say that human kind may not make it.
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Where is the Turkish Army. You can spit from the Turkish border and hit ISIS. If they aren't going to do anything then fuck them all.
Turkey is protecting ISIS. Turkey should be thrown out of NATO.
I don't doubt it. The Turks and Kurds Were at each others throats when I was in Ankara and Istanbul a few years ago. Almost daily incidents involving Kurds in Istanbul. The Kurds want part of eastern Turkey as their homeland.
Turkey just following orders and $$$ from USAIPAC/CIA
It seems the zionist leaders of the tribe want to continue to destabilize the Middle-East region, cause enmity and bloodletting among its neighbours and also secure available water and oil resources - all this with the help of the US and other willing accomplices. The long-term goal is to create a greater Israel (more lebensraum) starting with hapless Palestine and ending with a territory extending from the Nile to the Euphrates. The plan is to be actualized during distractions in other parts of the world eg. Ukraine, Hong Kong, Liberia , and regardless of UN resolutions, with complete impunity.
An informative piece but, sadly, Mr Stockman left out that this is about REGIME CHANGE in Syria not about ISIS. The USAF bombed a Syrian gas plant last week and has attacked targets not related to ISIS but rather to the government of Assad.
The lemmings may be fooled, if they even are watching or reading anything about, which I doubt, but not informed observers who read media that are not owned by the 5th column in this nation of America.
To some extent, they have already achieved their goal -- the destruction of what was the state of Syria. Yes, there remains a "rump" Syria, centered around Damascus but much of the former country is divvied up among the various factions. Syria, as it has been known, is no more. Carbon copy of Libya, as that country exists in name only.
Now if they are still intent on removing Assad, who is going to do it? What forces are going to take over Damascus? It's a large city. None of these disparate jihadi factions have the capability. Even if that could somehow be accomplished, who the hell do they have planned to fill the power vacuum?
The USSA is winning right? when we arm the guys that we are bombing we cant loose....... USSA, USSA, USSA.....
Fucking CNN, that gang of ass clowns actually are the single most important propaganda outlet for Neocon Washington and Israel. CNN reporters actually do head revolutionary cells designed to undermine governments Washington DC deems not fit to exist because they are not subjects of Israel and American corporate power.
I tell people, if you want to know official Neoconservative Washington DC's line of thinking, tune into CNN. That fake news channel is not a news channel as they have no interest in the news, what they have an interest in is creative news reporting that sells the liars and thugs of Washington DC as the world's legitimate rulers due to their exceptionalism and their being joined at the hip to Israel and it's world wide appartus of exceptionalism.
Thus CNN says Syria gases it's own people, when Neoconservative CIA gases Syrian people. And they report Russia has having downed a Malaysian airliners that the CIA and Kiev downed with an SU-25 fighter bomber, or a Polish piloted Mig -29 supplied by NATO to give a much higher kill probability. Now CNN is front and center in the drive to maintain open borders and constant airline flights from Ebola Africa direct to the USA. Every hour they have another expert advocating "open borders to Ebola country" and "Continuation of unlimited airline flights direct from Ebola ridden cities to the USA".
These Neoconservatives in Washington hide in plain sight, they even publish their crazed ideas in various Washington news papers and journals, and via their wholly owned Television Channel CNN.
I'm not so sure. It seems this news organisation was taken over by the advertising department a few years ago. News content is not important, but I have noticed in recent weeks a lot of the reporting is opinions/propoganda of other cnn "journalists". They are conformist fuck-wits.
The goal is: total chaos and destruction.
honestly, if getting rid of Sadam "so damn insaine" Husein was a bad Idea for the middle east
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maybe Iran should kiss more Israeli ass
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who knows bitchez
This whole article reminds me of the Warsaw uprisings. The Soviet army encouraged it and when they Jews rose up against the Nazis the Soviet war machine came to a halt outside Warsaw until the uprising was put down. The knife in the back served to eliminate the Jewish population so the soviets wouldn't have to kill the Jews themselves.
Once the Kurds are eliminated ISIS and Turkey can get down to a real war.
Both sides, (Turks and ISIS) are evil.
I believe that you are confusing the Jewish-centric uprising in 1943 with the Polish Nationalist uprising (mostly Catholic) against the Germans in 1944. The former lasted about a week when about 150 Jewish fighters found themselves totally overwhelmed by the Germans and -quite unexpectedly- criticized by the Judenrat collaborators for "stirring up things". The second and far larger rebellion in 1944 lasted for almost 2 months. Stalin did not want to have to contend with a Polish National Army, which had plenty of scores of their own to settle with the Commie tyrant. So, letting the Germans finish them off was just fine with him.
Unfortunately, few historians do a credible job of recognizing, then making known, all the coincidences within the greater picture. At the same time that the Warsaw uprising of 1944 was going on, one of the largest battles of the war was going on along the Vistula River, which runs through Poland the way that the Dneiper runs through Ukraine. The Russians had all they could handle fighting the Germans. What was going on in Warsaw was not significant militarily to either Hitler or Stalin.
partially true, but lots of pilots lost their lives flying from bases in Rimini to drop supplies to forces in Warsaw - lots of South Africans in particular.
The USAAF was flying FRANTIC missions from England with 107 B-17s on 18 Sept 1944 alone to drop supplies. Stalin would not let them base aircraft inside the USSR
Follow the money. Who has hired the US military this time?
If you want to destroy ISIS the best time is before they are in the city and while they are out in the open. Things have deteriorated to the point that Americans are using every opportunity to take their eyes off what is happening in Iraq, the country has become a train wreck and is rapidly morphing into a failed State. It is often unwise to take your eyes off a problem for long because when you look back you might find that things have gone horribly wrong, this is the case in Iraq and Syria.
The lyrics from a song "slip sliding away" come to mind as a way to describe the massive investment made in Iraq by America. Recently the group called ISIS shocked much of the world by swiftly capturing Mosul in an offensive that allowed the group to take control of major parts of northern and western Iraq. On June 29, 2014 the Islamist militants declared an Islamic "caliphate" in an area straddling Iraq and Syria. More on ISIS in the article below.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/08/islamic-state-of-iraq-and-levant....
According to Die Welt Turkey has only 200 Leopard tanks, the rest are M60 Pattons which are apparently no match for the Abrams tanks the US gave ISIS.
Turkey is frightened of being beaten by ISIS and watching the country disintegrate
Obola, wow.you'd really have to work it to have this disasterous of a :presidecy"
"Well Michelle..uh, well, we infected some folks, we let some folks get mass murdered, and we lied to some folks about the financial crisis, but at least my golf score dropped under a 100, so I'm off to MV honey!, Let the heads roll where they may Michelle, because no one or nothing is going to stop me the great omnipotent Obola from getting my damn vacation time, cause folks I earned it.
Later
Hey Biden, Get Gwen Paltrow on the line...asap