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Turkish President Proclaims "I Am Increasingly Against The Internet Every Day"

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Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

A very significant and dangerous trend has been accelerating in recent weeks. This trend consists of leaders throughout the globe coming out and blatantly calling for censorship and restrictions on free speech.

Of course, in so-called Western democracies, the leaders have to be more subtle and nuanced in their approach. They can’t just come out and say they hate the internet. We saw this tactic from the UK Conservative Party as of late with its call for the banning “non-violent” extremism from public discourse. I covered this terrifying plan in my recent post: The UK’s Conservative Party Declares War on YouTube, Twitter, Free Speech and Common Sense.

While that’s how British politicians pitch totalitarianism, their Turkish counterparts don’t seem to have any qualms about just coming out and admitting their disdain for the proliferation of free speech that the internet allows. We learn from the Independent that:

The Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdo?an has defended his government’s efforts to control online speech, telling a press freedom conference: “I am increasingly against the Internet every day.”

 

Mr Erdo?an’s comments came during an “unprecedented” meeting with the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) and the International Press Institute (IPI).

 

Local newspapers and major publications such as The New York Times and CNN International were among those slammed by officials, according to the CPJ.

 

“Media should never have been given the liberty to insult,” Mr Erdo?an was quoted as saying during the 90-minute meeting.

In a nod to the Western strategy, he also throws out the “terrorism” talking point.

He also expressed concern that criminal and terrorist organizations such as the Islamic State go online to recruit followers, saying he is “increasingly against” the internet.

 

His remarks come after he approved a law tightening control of the internet and increasing the powers held by telecoms authorities earlier in September.

Meanwhile in Egypt, the Associated Press notes that civil rights groups and humanitarian organizations are concerned that things under newly elected President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, will be even more authoritarian than they were under Hosni Mubarak.

While this trend of politicians waging war on free speech is dangerous, it is also extremely encouraging. They wouldn’t feel the need to take off the velvet gloves unless they were scared to death that the plebs were on to them and actually talking to one another.

 

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Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:42 | 5290450 IridiumRebel
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Long Water Cannons

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:49 | 5290457 Rememberweimar
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Zerohedge hypocritical to point the finger at any entity that sensors free speech, if you really speak the truth here on Zerohedge then you will get censored and not allowed to comment

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:52 | 5290470 Keyser
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What did you have censored? Here is your chance, let it out... 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:04 | 5290491 GetZeeGold
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Oppressed for 1 week 23 hours

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:07 | 5290502 Arius
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“I am increasingly against the Internet every day.”

every hour .... every minute ... every second ....

 

let it be no doubt who the real enemy is, to be controlled - the people of the world

 

then tell me about free elections and all that BS ...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:21 | 5290534 NoDecaf
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“I am increasingly against the Internet every day.”

 

He tweeted

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:28 | 5290547 new game
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impossability. can not stop free speech. even if they cut out my voice box, i can signal to you my thoughts. if they remove my eyes, i can signal or read by touch. if they brainwash you(not me, haha) then they have removed the ability of free think/speech...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:30 | 5290553 Rememberweimar
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I last a week or two before I get censored on ZH, FB, etc...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:35 | 5290567 strannick
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The internet must be so inconvenient for Fascists.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:39 | 5290583 Rememberweimar
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Yeah, I know, Tyler is a GOD. But it's pathetic when you are allowed more freedom of speech on Facebook than you are in Zerohedge comment section...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:24 | 5290666 NoDebt
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OK, so what is this amazing truth you are being censored from telling?  Or is just running around screaming about being censored your whole message?  Astound me.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:46 | 5290942 linniepar
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Mark my words, there will be a draconian crackdown soon and the censorship you will see will be so out of control. Its coming. The internet is just a thorn in their side.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:11 | 5291005 mjcOH1
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"OK, so what is this amazing truth you are being censored from telling?"

Wild guess.....the Jooos are behind all of the evil in the world and the outrageous act of people walking slowly away while he pisses himself and screams that in public.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:44 | 5290597 indygo55
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"I last a week or two before I get censored on ZH, FB, etc..."

Maybe cuz you're a douche.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:49 | 5290609 Rememberweimar
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Maybe I'm not a DOUCHBAG... But if telling the truth for you makes me one, then I guess I am...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:17 | 5290841 StupidEarthlings
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So..what is this 'truth' that they keep censoring? 

 

Well , the good news is that when governments declare a war on something..it always gets worse than before the socalled 'war on _______'.

 

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:29 | 5290551 williambanzai7
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The horror...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:32 | 5290560 Rememberweimar
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Anyone that tells the truth here in the comment section will be censored by ZH

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:37 | 5290578 strannick
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Don't confuse "your truth" with Truth 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:44 | 5290586 Rememberweimar
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Truth is the truth no matter what your "opinion" is... You either allow the truth to be told or you don't... it's pathetic when you are allowed more freedom of speech on Facebook than you are in Zerohedge comment section...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:44 | 5290596 CuttingEdge
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Is that the same "truth" which is non-existant in the MSM these days?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:47 | 5290601 Rememberweimar
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You are correct, there is practically zero truth coming from the mainstream media.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:51 | 5290611 Rememberweimar
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And your down arrows indicate that you are aligned with the mainstream media and opposed to the truth... Which makes you a....

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:29 | 5291245 VWAndy
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Bitching about a free soapbox? With how many daily viewers? How about you use it better its a tool they will let you use for free. Show some fucking respect. Get your shit together better. Maybe try it over at DK?

Censorship is an odd thing. Wouldnt it better if you use it on yourself than to have it forced on you? Its the questions they dont like. Thats the hardest thing to censor yet the most damaging.

 

 That said. These clowns are basically addmitting they are FOS openly. If he wasnt a lieing scumbag he wouldnt have an issue with a few good questions?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:07 | 5290811 thunderchief
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Please take your truthy talk back to face book.

You have not said a god dam thing in your posts.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:37 | 5290911 XuscitizenSweden
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.....now I know who you really are, F¤ckFace-Booker Suckerberg. Here at ZH even people like you can say what they want.

&, btw never hade and never will have a F¤ckfacebookin' account. Don't forget to enjoy your stay here at ZH. Always fun trashin'-the trash....thanx.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:11 | 5291401 RichardParker
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" it's pathetic when you are allowed more freedom of speech on Facebook than you are in Zerohedge comment section..."

Polly want a cracker?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:00 | 5290628 FishHockers
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You really are a Douche Bag.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:03 | 5290799 Hulk
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"Anyone that tells the truth here in the comment section will be censored by ZH"

If thats the case,then you must be lying !!!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:20 | 5290492 Arius
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Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:08 | 5290501 TeamDepends
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It is encouraging, as Americans, to see that politicians around the world are just as corrupt as the ones we have here.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:13 | 5290515 FlyingDutchman
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They learn from eachother, probably have workshops and team events "How to bullshit as much people as you can, and stay in power."

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:18 | 5290527 Arius
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@teamdepends ... because it is the same hand who puts them up there ... what do you think, they just awake up one morning and decide from community organizer to run for president?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:10 | 5290506 Calmyourself
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Oh, I think we know its the evil Joos..  Running the world while under siege, brilliant bastards. Commence the downvote my minions.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:29 | 5290484 Peter Pan
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Dear Rememberweimar,

The only real censorship here on Zero Hedge are the red down arrows you have so ably earned.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:29 | 5290552 FrankieGoesToHo...
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Tyler will ban accounts he does not like.  The comments are deleted along with the banned account.  For the record, that is within his right.  But dont spread false information.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:36 | 5290571 Rememberweimar
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I get kicked off ZH for my honest comments more than I get kicked off FB

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:44 | 5290599 chunga
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For example?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:57 | 5290622 Rememberweimar
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For example, there is a certain group of "people" pretending to be a religion (that hates all other religions), that has possession of we the people's money printing press... And this group of people are printing themselves an insane amount of money and buying up the entire worlds resources so that all others that are not of their "religion" will suffer the same consequences as they did under the Weimar Republic... But I will get kicked off again by "Tyler" if I say any more...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:04 | 5290634 chunga
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You must be getting pretty rowdy because the tribe gets a healthy dose of bashing here every day.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:08 | 5290644 Chupacabra-322
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If by a certain "group" you mean the Zionists, there have been repeated mention of the Evil Vermin time & time again by posters at ZH including myself.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 20:44 | 5292495 Sparkey
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No one is against free speech, as long as you say the right things! There is a lot of 'hurtfull speech' on this site, the kind of things which can cause distress to those who hear it, political correctness was invented to deal with this problem, and it certainly has cleaned up a lot of 'hurtfull' speech unfortunately things still slip through from time to time. and cause distress to some. REMEMBER if you can't make your point politically correctly perhaps you shouldn't try and make it at all?!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:29 | 5290672 NoDebt
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That's it?  That's your whole gigantic revelation?  That Jews tend to congregate in areas where there is money at issue?  Shocker.  That's an opinion that's never been offered here before.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:45 | 5290602 CuttingEdge
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The fact that you are on Faceplant at all speaks volumes in itself...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:59 | 5290625 Rememberweimar
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That's not a generalization now is it?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:07 | 5292135 StychoKiller
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"Birds of a feather," and all that...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:53 | 5290615 Berspankme
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I would ban you for having a fb account but thats just me

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:59 | 5290627 Rememberweimar
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Then you would be banning 95% of Zerohedge commentors...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:38 | 5290917 XuscitizenSweden
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gettin' your 'kicks' gettin' kicked....definitely sick.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:47 | 5290606 Peter Pan
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Are they accounts he does not like or are they accounts set up by government to try and plant false information? I am simply asking as I do not have any knowledge of such action by Zero Hedge. I would be happy to hear of details from you.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:03 | 5290630 Rememberweimar
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Any person can set up an account here and leave comments, but if you tell the truth, the full truth and nothing but the truth then Tyler will ban your account permanently and you will have to create a new email account and reapply. Like I have a dozen times. Because I enjoy telling the truth and watching Zerohedge Trolls freak out.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:03 | 5290797 Ness.
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It's funny to see someone bitching about censorship while being able to post their every thought after each comment.  

 

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:28 | 5290876 Drummond
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Weimar. You're not right in the head mate. Something doesn't fit right with what you are saying. Are you German and struggling with the language or are you simply insane? No, what you are suggesting is confusingly incorrect. Like what a German tourist would say.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:44 | 5290936 XuscitizenSweden
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...the dude must be a republican(weimar). Regardless a definite dummkopf.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:22 | 5291415 RichardParker
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"Any person can set up an account here and leave comments, but if you tell the truth, the full truth and nothing but the truth then Tyler will ban your account permanently and you will have to create a new email account and reapply. Like I have a dozen times. Because I enjoy telling the truth and watching Zerohedge Trolls freak out."

Polly want a cracker?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:06 | 5290497 MeMongo
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FUCK Erdogan in his big hairy ear!

Rememberweimar! Wait for for the censorship! Just wait!......

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:12 | 5290513 Bangalore Equit...
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"censored and not allowed to comment"

Listen weimar.

Let me be real clear. This is fucking preposterous! Free speech is the rule on The Hedge.

They let you say whatever you want and then they add that information to "YOUR JACKET". Then they hunt you down and use it against you.

Free speech! Yea.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:23 | 5290537 IridiumRebel
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Listen Bangalore.

I wish more people "got you". +1

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:32 | 5290682 layman_please
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i would upvote you but i don't want it in my jacket. you got too close to the truth. next time, try not to spill it all out, will ya?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:09 | 5292147 StychoKiller
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Don't look for fish amongst the treetops.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:28 | 5290544 FrankieGoesToHo...
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The Constitution does not allow congress to make a law restricting free speach.  So I can kind of see why people get upset at the turkish pres wanting to restrict.  But Tyler is not congress so he has every right to restrict whatever the f*ck he wants on his property.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:32 | 5290555 sleigher
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No shirt, no shoes, no service.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:36 | 5290579 Rememberweimar
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Yeah, I know, Tyler is a GOD. But it's pathetic when you are allowed more freedom of speech on Facebook than you are in Zerohedge comment section...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:39 | 5290699 layman_please
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would you stop whining, for god's sake! it's not that i disagree but just man the fuck up.

 

"You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life."

Winston Churchill

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:21 | 5291420 RichardParker
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"Yeah, I know, Tyler is a GOD. But it's pathetic when you are allowed more freedom of speech on Facebook than you are in Zerohedge comment section..."

Polly want a cracker?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:42 | 5290593 Kirk2NCC1701
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Free Francis and Bank Guy In Brussels.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:46 | 5290943 ghostofgo
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You don't need to get into truth and untruth.  Just unfavorably compare Tyler to Drudge.  Nothing tilts Tyler more.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:07 | 5291386 Oldrepublic
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some folks here have completely disappeared

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:31 | 5292232 teslaberry
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he means blaming the jews for everything and suggesting that murdering them all would actually solve 'the problem'. 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:50 | 5290461 Keyser
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Without the internet, the despots would still control the message... They already have a stranglehold on the MSM so the next target is the internet...  It's no wonder they view it as a threat... 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:21 | 5290533 NYPoke
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Long Water Cannons; Short Sanity.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:28 | 5290549 williambanzai7
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Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:53 | 5290575 Son of Captain Nemo
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Sorry.

I'll take Tippy Hedren or for that matter Alfred Hitchcock over this mass murdering SOB any day of the week.

Still your work is thoroughly creative!

Thx

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:32 | 5290558 Freddie
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Ukraine NWO-State Dept-Zato Kiev junta suppplying conscripts (cannon fodder) with radioactive Chernobyl era military vehicles.

http://en.voicesevas.ru/news/yugo-vostok/2954-ukraine-is-killing-its-sol...

They have losing so many to the NovoRussia militia that they went to Chernobyl to get vehicles.  These people in Kiev are so evil.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:45 | 5290584 Son of Captain Nemo
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These people in Kiev are so evil.

Just remember the "evil" that is funding it to make it all possible.  The only reward I am getting out of any of it, is the satisfaction of knowing that Erik Prince will have to replace his stable with NFRs with the ones that will never return home again from that last tour of duty in Ukraine!

If you want to see a model soldier and human being then look no further to this gentleman

America can only dream of having a human being in it's ranks like these guys they are the epitome of what a soldier should be!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:02 | 5290741 layman_please
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yeah, no problem killing fellow humans by order of some elite or government jackass, but horrific when they are not buried properly. model soldier/human? wtf is this shit?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:48 | 5290945 Son of Captain Nemo
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yeah, no problem killing fellow humans by order of some elite or government jackass, but horrific when they are not buried properly. model soldier/human?

layman_piece_of_shit

You mean those Mossad and Langley "moonlighters" getting what they richly deserve?...

Color that helmet of your's light blue to go with that "six-sided" devil worshiping star on the side to go with it!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 23:42 | 5293126 layman_please
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i guess the hypocrisy went unnoticed. 

honor is the last thing i care about when we are talking about the loss of human life. what a fucking tragedy! no respect for the dead! what is this?

all the honor and other bullshit is propaganda 101 to justify senseless killing aka war.

though i have to admit, the scum called soldiers i don't even considered human. let them rot. they are the most brainwashed idiots there are. please, allow me to sacrifice my life for some elitist oligarch or politician (or queen or country or flag). i feel so much better when i know i will be buried by my fellow idiots. what a noble cause indeed

and, let me be clear, i'm not the one picking sides, you are. there are no good guys. this war is an excuse for both sides and they can all fuck off to another planet and leave the people alone who have no issues with each other if not fear-mongered by the rulers.

 

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 19:15 | 5292171 StychoKiller
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Hmm, I'd rather have these two on my side...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:55 | 5290764 layman_please
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 "These people in Kiev are so evil."

 

i'm shocked, shocked, i tell you!

i'm happy to see you have picked your side in this war. good citizen!

voice of sevastopol? sounds like a real good source.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:33 | 5291270 tony wilson
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conscripts (cannon fodder) with radioactive Chernobyl era military vehicles.

do not worry monsanto gmo corn loves depleted uranium munitions and all chernobyl radiation.

the land that is not for monsanto is for chevron frack futures so all good.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:57 | 5290771 The Fourth
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Mr. Ergo, meet Triumph.  Triumph, meet Mr. Ergo. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0slK45CNIE

Seriously, IMO Internet information flow is possibly the last "check" the Proles (of which I am one) have against any speed-up of the imposed tyranny.  Legislate away speech and we get to go back to square-one (serfdom).

Plug: The censors do not need to know the content of your thoughts. For those situations, see the bio.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:55 | 5290453 JustObserving
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Leaders know that their lies are no longer believed - so they are threatened by the internet. Truth is treason in an empire of lies.

British PM David Cameron: “Non-Violent Extremists” Including “9/11 Truthers” and “Conspiracy Theorists” are Just as Dangerous as ISIL Terrorists

http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-pm-david-cameron-non-violent-extrem...

US has controlled the press since the 1950s under Operation Mockingbird:

"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month." - CIA operative discussing with Philip Graham, editor Washington Post, on the availability and prices of journalists willing to peddle CIA propaganda and cover stories. "Katherine The Great," by Deborah Davis (New York: Sheridan Square Press, 1991)

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." -- William Colby, former CIA Director, cited by Dave Mcgowan, Derailing Democracy

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:56 | 5290473 Peter Pan
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Cameron is a dangerous fool if there ever was one. The Scots were perhaps even greater fools for not voting decisively to rid themselves of the overlords.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:06 | 5290499 Winston Churchill
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Do you really think they would not have ended up with a pre selected

Scottish fool ?

The illusion of choice is strong in you.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:15 | 5290523 Peter Pan
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At least the fool would have come from among their own. 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:19 | 5290526 Winston Churchill
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Like Pol Pot.

Must have been very conforting to know as you waited for the head shot that he was one

of your own.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:32 | 5290545 Peter Pan
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LOL. There might be an element of truth in what you say old chap. But what I find amusing is that the British "Empire" is now being swamped and transformed by those it sought to keep under Bristish rule.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:42 | 5290591 new game
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and good ole pol pot lined up heads and fired with fmj bullets to save ammo to kill more for less...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:18 | 5290659 Winston Churchill
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The Scottish did extremely well during the empire.

Lots of the big trading houses were Scottish owned and run.

Travel around Edinburgh is you want proof.Old money, before any oil.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:36 | 5290576 Freddie
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He is not really that Scottish either.  His famiy's claim to fame is financing wars (aka mass murder of innocent people) for the Red Shield.  Looks like his klan also dabbled in slavery.   He is as evil as Miliband.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cameron

In the 1830s Cameron's first cousin six times removed was compensated with £4,101 for 202 slaves when they were liberated by Parliament.[17] Cameron's paternal forebears also have a long history in finance. His father Ian was senior partner of the stockbrokers Panmure Gordon, in which firm partnerships had long been held by Cameron's ancestors, including David's grandfather and great-grandfather,[3] and was a Director of estate agent John D. Wood. David Cameron's great-great-grandfather Emile Levita, a German Jewish financier (and descendant of Renaissance scholar Elia Levita), who obtained British citizenship in 1871, was the director of the Chartered Bank of India, Australia and China which became Standard Chartered Bank in 1969.[16] His wife, Cameron's great-great-grandmother, was a descendant of the wealthy Danish Jewish Rée family on her father's side.[18][19] One of Emile's sons, Arthur Francis Levita (died 1910, brother of Sir Cecil Levita),[20] of Panmure Gordon stockbrokers, together with great-great-grandfather Sir Ewen Cameron,[21] London head of the Hongkong and Shanghai Bank, played key roles in arranging loans supplied by the Rothschilds to the Japanese Central Banker (later Prime Minister) Takahashi Korekiyo for the financing of the Japanese Government in the Russo-Japanese war.[22

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:11 | 5291410 Oldrepublic
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re:Colby, remember his death by drowning in a canoe accident?

in reality he was killed by his former associates!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:55 | 5290454 Chupacabra-322
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Let me guess, a change of heart came about when this Criminal Pure Evil Psychopath got busted planing a False Flag recently.

Turkey's Insane False Flag Plot to Start a War with Syria | Weapons of Mass Distraction

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HBk0HGfI_wM

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:39 | 5290581 Freddie
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Erdogan and his crew do not do anything to benefit Muslims.  He is a puppet of another country in the Middle East and the less Turkish people know about him and who he works for, the better.  He is scum.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:45 | 5290456 Taint Boil
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Once they reach this point it is really the beginning of the end ….. Funny how they will never see it.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:09 | 5290459 Son of Captain Nemo
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Erdogan is only following suit from "Pasties" Cameron's speech on the UN floor about the repercussions of calling into question the papal bull that is 9/11 and 7/7!

Even though they control the international courts, they still are paranoid enough that the next one they pull off may land them before a war crimes tribunal or worse. This is what happens when you are a "player" and your hand deals in too many of them!

Someone needs to tell them about the law of diminshing returns on false flags!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:48 | 5290460 Peter Pan
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And soon they will be against voting every three or four years and eventually they will be against us eating every day.

Of course there is a great deal of rubbish on the internet but no more than what comes out of the mouths and deeds of politicians.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:50 | 5290463 Pee Wee
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The enemy of power is truth.

Always has been, always will be.

..Soon to be championed by every Fascist with wealth.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:32 | 5290559 sushi
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Hard to understand why the 1% would wish to be counselled and directed by the wishes of the 99%.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:51 | 5290466 cherry picker
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What are they scared of?  Getting caught?

However, there is free speach and there is libel.

Unfortunately there are people with not integrity out there with followers who will spread lies to incite. In this respect words can be quite damaging.  It has happened to me and there is little if anything I could do about it without spending tens of thousands on attorneys, money I didn't have.  It can enrage the victim, to the point of retaliation if possible.

I think the only answer is to criminilize libel and for Google, Yahoo and Bing to drop sites that are guilty of it and charge the writers.

Other than that, if it is true, why not allow the web its freedom?

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:35 | 5290572 rwe2late
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cherry picker

 Is it "true" (provable in a court of law by you)

that Bush and/or Obama are war criminals?

Say that or a thousand other possible accusations (bankster fraud, corruption, etc.), and

when you are sued for "libel" (along with prosecuted for your recommended new criminal penalty, i.e. jail)

can you afford the lawyers to defend yourself and "prove" your innocence.

Even if you could win, you lose.

 

Your recommendation is just to take another slice cut away from

"no law abridging freedom of speech or the right to assemble".

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:44 | 5290600 cherry picker
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From the evidence I have seen so far, I would have no problem bringing Bush and Obama in front of a court for war crimes.

 

Bush accused Saddam, "He tried to kill my Daddy."  You can Google it.  It was a lie.  Obama lies and in so doing, they are guilty of libel aren't they as well as ordering war crimes.

If the justice system is half honorable, they should atone for their actions.  That is the problem nowadays.  No one takes responsibility or is held accountable for their actions, including leaders.  However the rest of us aren't exempt either.

It is pretty bad where you can't trust the veracity of the MSM, and they use the web too.  I would rather they quit trying to vilify whistle blowers like Snowden and be honest about what they are doing, but you and I know that isn't going to happen, they will push the gauntlet with their agendas and propaganda until something explodes.

As long as free thinkers and people who are seeking truth do not stoop to lying to justify their cause.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:26 | 5290668 rwe2late
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 Every law defining what speech is illegal (not free to say)

cuts away from what speech is legal (free to say).

It also introduces wordplay possibilities for lawyers to expand and pervert the application.

Laws against revealing government "secrets", "supporting terrorism", inciting "riots", etc. are used badly enough already to repress speech and assembly.

Criminalizing what might be said against political leaders, talking heads, religious figures, CEOs etc. opens a new door not just to be sued by the allegedly libeled,

but to be prosecuted and jailed by the government "justice" department for "libel".

A new law criminalizing speech that was previously not criminal is a bad idea always,

and a most terrible recommendation nowadays.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:49 | 5290749 cherry picker
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In that sense you are right, but if lies can start wars, loss of life and limb, what other recourse is there?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:43 | 5291093 CrazyCatLady
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Be smarter

Honestly thats all any of us have

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 13:52 | 5291129 rwe2late
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 There are already laws against starting wars, torture, and for guaranteeing habeas corpus.

Another unenforced, readily evaded, and easily abused law against telling "lies" will not change anything.

What recourse will be necessary (or even possible) to effect benevolent change remains to be seen (or attempted).

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:51 | 5290467 Ignatius
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Once upon a time in the West:

 

Who's in charge here?

Well that would be our Chief here...

BANG!

Who's in charge here?

Well, now it would be the medicine man...

BANG! BANG!

Who's in charge here?

Ah, gee, I guess you are.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 09:59 | 5290476 Urban Roman
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You just can't have a good genocide any more, without those pesky bloggers criticizing your every gassing.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:02 | 5290479 JustObserving
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Or droning.

More than 2,400 dead as Obama’s drone campaign marks five years


http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2014/01/23/more-than-2400-dead-as-o...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:22 | 5290536 WillyGroper
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Another NPP should be in order shortly.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:39 | 5290854 layman_please
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what genocide? you mean cutting syrian water supply? that's a friendly gesture to help them to cut their water bill.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:00 | 5290478 Peter Pan
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Personally I have found that getting my news and views from the internet generally means that I am at least 24 hours if not 24 days ahead of those that rely on the idiot box and the newspapers.

Journalists have now been relegated to cutting and pasting the from the information packs handed to them by their masters.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:16 | 5290522 AdvancingTime
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If the news often seems even more skewed lately note this possible reason. For decades a so-called anti-propaganda law prevented the U.S. government's mammoth broadcasting arm from delivering programming to American audiences. But on July 2, 2013 that taboo came silently to an end with the implementation of a new law passed in January. This unleashes thousands of hours per week of government-funded radio and TV programs for domestic U.S. consumption. This "reform" was criticized by many human rights activist as a green light for U.S. domestic propaganda efforts. More on this subject in the article below. 

 http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/07/when-propaganda-and-surveillance....

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 15:16 | 5291423 Oldrepublic
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In the modern era, the internet is a tool for human freedom, just as the invention of the Gutenberg press was in the late middle ages!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:01 | 5290482 silver surfer
Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:57 | 5290623 Kirk2NCC1701
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Interesting, for purely academic purposes. Thx.

But what's far more interesting and useful for today, is the compilation of Censorship and Propaganda in the West - especially in the US, UK, Israel...

Oh wait, we not only get that info on ZH, but we get to CONTRIBUTE to it. Bitchin'!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 14:57 | 5291354 silver surfer
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For example:

Proposed bill could force Voice of America to support U.S. foreign policy

https://www.ifex.org/united_states/2014/05/16/information_warfare/

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:03 | 5290487 SillySalesmanQu...
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We are on to you and all of the other despicable "turkey's" that claim to be "leaders."
We may not have armies, and modern weapons, but we do have hot tar and feathers, pitchforks, rope and an endless supply of street lamps, guns, bullets, pea shooters and a few very well prepared individuals with freshly sharpened guillotine blades...

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:22 | 5290540 Chupacabra-322
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The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate should be afraid, very afraid. Know this. There is Absolutely no place & no one on earth which will grant them safe quarter.

A Global cleanse is on the horizon. Much needed hangings, shootings & arrests of the Elite are of the highest order.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:05 | 5290806 Inthemix96
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Chupacabra-322

I wholey endorse this proposal 110%.

Now thats what I'm talking about.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:30 | 5290885 layman_please
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afraid of who? populace? pipedream! i don't know how far back they go, but every revolution or coup has probably been initiated by the elites. nothing, except a fellow oligarch, has ever been a real danger to them and i'm inclined to believe that no-one else ever will be.

 

they control the media, if needed, also the alternative media, and they can change the public opinion in moths if not in days.

 

don't find yourself at the wrong end of the rope.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:09 | 5290493 roadhazard
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World leaders should be happy to know that I believe what I read on the interwebs as much as I believe anything They say. Everybody has an agenda. Mine is to point and laugh at BS when i feel like it. I have my own life going that does not include what anybody else thinks and guns and ammo to back it up.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:06 | 5290496 Bangin7GramRocks
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They will spend billions to create artificial intelligence programs to control the internet. It's already happening. How many different 9/11 "theories" exist on the internet? 50? 100? I'm sure most of them were created by the gubmint to muddy the waters. Soon, it will impossible to distinguish the real from the psyop and at that point the internet will cease to be a place for information.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:18 | 5290520 JustObserving
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They have been doing that for years:

Former Chicago and Harvard law professor Cass Sunstein, who in 2009 was appointed by President Barack Obama to direct an important executive branch office, had in 2008 co-authored an article containing a plan for the government to prevent the spread of anti-government “conspiracy theories.” Arguing that such theories are believed only by groups suffering from “informational isolation,” he advocated the use of anonymous government agents to engage in “cognitive infiltration” of these groups in order to introduce “cognitive diversity,” with the aim of breaking them up.

http://davidraygriffin.com/books/cognitive-infiltration-an-obama-appoint...

In the United States today, the phrase `conspiracy theory' functions as a sort of giant cudgel, used to scare us out of talking openly about a broad (and ever-growing) range of scandals that the powerful cannot afford to let the people comprehend  --- Mark Crispin Miller, Professor of Culture and Communication, New York University

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:45 | 5290603 Lordflin
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Soon??

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:14 | 5290514 AdvancingTime
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Damn the internet and damn the people! Full speed ahead.    /sarcasm

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:15 | 5290519 Son of Captain Nemo
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Told ya they'd patch it all up!

Boss Netanyahu is a genius!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:23 | 5290541 syntaxterror
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If you like your internet, you can keep your internet.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:25 | 5290542 barre-de-rire
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internet & printers came in french gov in 1997.... so.... i dont see what is so different for turkish or any old grandpa borned in prehistorical era of time when the only control they know is  the whip...

 

the inability to understand the tool they use is the shortest way of the global collapse.

 

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:25 | 5290543 FrankieGoesToHo...
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Ill be honest, with all the crap and drivel on the Internet, I can see his point of view.  Society is starting to regress, one kardashian at a time.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:29 | 5290550 syntaxterror
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Speaking of crap and drivel. You ever listen to an Obamao lecture? Or a congressional filibuster?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:57 | 5290969 Said In CONTEXT
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  Aren't  those things known causes of narcolepsy?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:32 | 5290556 surf0766
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Turkey will assume the head of the new caliphate

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:40 | 5290582 Otto Zitte
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He's not against the internet. He's against his victims being forewarned and forearmed, and his enemies eviscerating him like a little redheaded goy girl. Thugs are the same everywhere.

fwd caliphate!

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:45 | 5290594 Chuck Knoblauch
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Turkey's affairs with the West & Russia must be embarrassing for them.

Germany too.

Pick your ally and move on.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:46 | 5290604 ThisIsBob
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In all fairness to the Turks, even  Honest Abe Lincoln jailed journalists to shut them up.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:13 | 5290653 zen0
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You have forgotten to use His official title, SAINT Lincoln.

Your account will be closed and you will be visited by a Community Organizer's Committee.

Prepare to be shamed.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 10:53 | 5290612 Bagbalm
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It started with postal service for the serfs and then those damn telephones. Back to making them walk to town for news if they don't like what is on their government radio.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:03 | 5290633 Duc888
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Internet means freedom of information exchange.

Jerks like Cameron and this asshole are against freedom.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:04 | 5290635 RealityCheque
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Historically, people were willing to die for their freedom to spread the printed word. And the internet is even more pervasive and passionately defended by far greater numbers.

So good luck Mr Erdogan, wishful thinking on your part wont change the world in any way. The net was a gift from your kind to us plebs to make it easier for you to spy on us. Seems a little like sour grapes that its gradually being turned against you.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:06 | 5290641 zen0
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I find it risible that Erdogen uses ISIS recruitment as a reason to censor the internet, seeing as how he allows up to 70 recruitment centers to operate in Turkey.

I learned of this from the internet.

THAT is why he wants control of the information.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:07 | 5290642 nah
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the internet has already won the war of disinformation, people just need to learn to read and make a better world by themselves

.

the instructions for key lime pie and party decorations are there

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:08 | 5290643 smacker
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We are entering a new Dark Ages.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:07 | 5290645 Duc888
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Frankiegoesto... :Ill be honest, with all the crap and drivel on the Internet, I can see his point of view. Society is starting to regress, one kardashian at a time.

 

You have a choice to not click on drivel and crap.  I got rid of TV about ten years ago.... noise to signal ratio was askew.  No dollar value for the transfer of worthy (imho) information, so out into the garbage it went. 

Internet is light years ahead of TV / MSM.  You are in control of "where you go" to a much much larger extent.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:10 | 5290649 q99x2
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I don't want Goldman Sachs censored. I want them shut down.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 12:23 | 5290859 yrbmegr
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Shut them down, and then we can't see them any more. There is some value to making them feel safe enough to conduct business out in the open.

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:10 | 5290651 Road Hazard
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Well when you have members of your government plotting to destroy a national monument just so they can blame Syria and use the false flag to justify an attack on a sovereign nation and those secret audio tapes are leaked to YouTube.... yeah, I can understand why they hate the internet. http://revolution-news.com/turkey-blocks-youtube-new-audio-leaks/

To anyone from Turkey reading this, did anybody in your country give two shits about this scandal?

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:12 | 5290652 stinkhammer
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turkey makes me sleepy

Sun, 10/05/2014 - 11:15 | 5290656 Arius
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We would not get these without the internet .... Sunday Fun

 

Geniuses typically clash with their teachers because teachers do not encourage original thought as several studies have shown. Teachers want kids who obey and follow orders. Winston Churchill was terrible in school yet without him Hitler would have died in a retirement home. Albert Einstein’s teacher famously decreed he would amount to nothing. Here is what Gandhi had to put up with:

 When Mahatma Gandhi was studying law at the University College of London, a professor, whose last name was Peters, disliked him intensely and always displayed animosity him.

Also, because Gandhi never lowered his head when addressing him as he expected, there were always “arguments” and confrontations.

One day, Mr. Peters was having lunch at the dining room of the University, and Gandhi came along with his tray and sat next to the professor. The professor said,”Mr Gandhi, you do not understand. A pig and a bird do not sit together to eat.”

Gandhi looked at him as a parent would a rude child and calmly replied, “You do not worry professor. I’ll fly away,” and he went and sat at another table.

Mr. Peters, reddened with rage, decided to take revenge on the next test paper, but Gandhi responded brilliantly to all questions.

Mr. Peters, unhappy and frustrated, asked him the following question:

“Mr Gandhi, if you were walking down the street and found a package, and within was a bag of wisdom and another bag with a lot of money, which one would you take?”

Without hesitating, Gandhi responded,

“The one with the money, of course.”

Mr. Peters, smiling sarcastically said,

“I, in your place, would have taken the wisdom.”

Gandhi shrugged indifferently and responded,

“Each one takes what he doesn’t have.”

Mr. Peters, by this time was fit to be tied. So great was his anger that he wrote on Gandhi’s exam sheet the word “idiot” and gave it to Gandhi.

Gandhi took the exam sheet and sat down at his desk, trying very hard to remain calm while he contemplated his next move.

A few minutes later, Gandhi got up, went to the professor and said to him in a dignified but sarcastically polite tone, “Mr. Peters, you autographed the sheet, but you did not give me the grade.”

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