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Who is more likely to own mass media?
Vote fraud, again.
Was this from the Pew Research Center, or Jew Research Center?
People don't like atheists cause they can't come to terms with the fact that there is no god and their life becomings meaningless. Doomed to be a slave to the status quo.
Free yourself from religion and you see that it's this life, and only this life that matters.
There is no forgiveness, second chances or afterlife.
Learn to cherish your one and only life.
Better luck in your next life.
The concept of a personal god is a veritable font of death and destruction.
It is a strong mental representation of ingroup-outgroup morality and very useful for killing those people over there because they are so different. So different that they are a danger to you as you are to them.
Which makes it a good example of a Mexican standoff.
@ 90s Child: Nobody has disproved God yet, so that's not really what I'd call a "fact".
"Nobody has disproved God yet, so that's not really what I'd call a 'fact'."
True, true... But no one has disproved Zeus sitting atop Mount Olympus, Xenu and his thetans being continually reborn, Joseph Smith finding golden tablets in upstate New York, and so on and so forth.
Believing in comforting myths, regardless of facts, seems to be a hardwired feature of the human brain.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster cares not for proof or disproof, only whether something has enough parmesan on top
Did someone at Zerohedge really just post a chart with various religions appearing with different scores?
Oh my god!
Man, we're fucked.
Mormons below Hindus. LOL.
Wonder if they took the poll in New York?
Atheists a measly 1 point above the lowly Muslims?
What the fuck did we do?" Who the hell did we kill?... oh right... we killed your Gods with reason. Sorry.
Anyway we atheists still love you all despite your quirky and often sociopathic mostly inherited mental illnesses! ;)
Listen Crazy Cat.
Remember PeeYou Research has "ZERO" credibility. The Muslims think this "POLL" sucks.
I used to be an Atheist then I grew up and realized humanity doesn't know jack-shit in the scheme of things. So I keep an open mind...
Also...
Atheism is kind of like Communism... it looks good on paper, but in practice is horrible. You think it's bad now with a few sociopaths running around? What would the world be like if EVERYONE had ZERO fear of judgment? I don't want to know.
I am assuming "Hedonists" scored off the chart ... about 574 points, right?
Treasonous government sociopaths, lame-stream media whores, NWO scum, child molestors, enviro-nazis, militarized police thugs, Ebola, and jihadi beheaders are all piled at the very bottom which is why it's a big blue bubble.
let the spirit of truth free your thoughts...
i don't like any of he above, i stay out of their way and they need to stay out of my way, i could care less what anyone does with their free time but i do care where all the money is going and how i've turned into a slave.
I've seen God and he's told me he wants Bill O'Reilly dead.
He has allowed me the book rights though.
Praise be to Jesus our Savior.
god is dead.
Athiests are the most willfully blind and arrogant of all; since they claim to know there can't possibly be a creator despite the scale and complexity of the universe.
I also find it amusing how dogmatically they defend their 'belief' (or lack thereof) and attack anyone who does believe in a creator. If they truly believe in no god, no afterlife, no eternal system of punishments/rewards; why should they care whether somebody else does?
On the other hand, I respect agnostics for admitting that they just don't know and can't be sure...
[PS: Purpose of article: Tylers looking for clickbait?]
I agree. Atheism--in it's own strange way--is a religion. It's a belief centered around pessimism and nihilism. Fundamentalists damn you to hell while Atheists damn you to Romper Room. Nevertheless, I like both groups. Both throw wonderful barbecues. So why complain.
This poll must have been taken at some synagogue over this past weekend during Yom Kippur.
Hey.. all you can hope for is that all of us Irish Kenyan Indonesian Hawaiian Chicagoan Christian D.C. Muslims are loved by all the real Americans.
and.. president ebola and the democRATS are the future of the dominion.
Atheism IS their theological belief. Their opposites are theists.
So, why is it only THEIR theological belief is taught in schools ?
Mind control.
But moar so because teaching belief in a god instills a sense of dependency on some higher power instead of individual responsibility
It turns people into sheeple who will also believe the government will solve all their problems for them as well.
Sheeple don't like nor want to know the facts about anything cause it means they must deal with them and reality.
They only want to BELIEVE in something no matter how stupid it really is.
Such as global warming, the Chosen One, the Feral Reserve and all the stupid shit spewed by the MSM.
Not in America He ain't, bunch of nutty folks over there.
What people DO in the name of religion is much worse than what they would do otherwise. This is espically true for Muslims and Jews.
Don't recall much God on the Eastern Front 41-45.
There was a bunch at Antietam though. Interestingly we all believed in the same God back then.
Took those God-fearing 'mericans some time before getting the gumption to fight again after that war. Interesting to Google search "US Navy" and "World War I."
The English on the other hand...
Religions have existed since the earliest civilizations and probably before. Trashing religion is kind of like trashing the founding principles of a nation after it's become successful abiding by those principles. How can you possible fathom history without religion? How can you possible assert that humanity would be better without it? It's like imagining humanity without art or math.
Religiosity has evolved through many forms and within those forms it evolves - mainly to assure its continued existence and the existence of its believers.
There's lots of dead-ender religions and dead-ender believers out there.
Exactly,
And it's the same atheists that wonder "What's wrong with the world these days ?"
What would the world be like if EVERYONE had ZERO fear of judgment
So more fear (and implicitly more lies) will make the world a better place?
I don't see the connection between fear = more lies.
The truth is terrifying enough; enough so that the establishment lies every day about the world we live in.
I would say that fear is in fact the result of MORE truth.
Fear comes when one is not, or believes not to be, in control and NOT only because of the possibility of very bad outcomes.
Knowing the truth (which often turns out to be surprisingly simple) gives you back control, which why it has to be obscured by more and more lies so the masses never discover the truth or don't realize it actually is the truth.
Fear of God is the BEGINNING of wisdom. Proverbs 9:10
You really think religion prevents people from killing other people?
For my and many people i knows sake its humanity, for some maybe law.. but religion has in many cases given many sociopaths an excuse to rape and murder.
Communists (athiests) have killed millions upon millions. See Genrikh Yagoda, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot for examples.
THIS is absolutely correct. Horrors committed and more slain by non-believers by a large margin, atheists cannot seem to conceive of some thing larger than self, a fundamental flaw imho. The universe of nearly infinite size and wonder, oh yeah just sprang into being, no prime mover needed, completely random... Stick around kiddies, later today a supernova will fly out my ass, randomly of course..
How many people did atheists kill?
Well, lets make a rough count.
Soviet atheists killed about 25 million.
Chinese atheists killed about, I don't know, maybe another 30 million.
Nazis (who were anti-religious, but professed a kind of self invented religion; much like atheists) killed another 50 million or so.
I think we can safely say that atheists have been either directly or indirectly responsible for a good 100 million deaths in just the 20th century alone.
You mean Jew York?
After seeing all the godtalk in this thread, one more time, I present some of my standard deductions (ba-dum-pish!):
- The act of computation requires a result to arrive to, and that result belongs to the result space called truth.
- Truth has two absolute boundaries, true and false, with an infinitely granular result space in between. The scale is adjustable (0 to 1, or -1 to 1, etc.).
- Mathematics (probability) uses the notion of truth, i.e. it is a subset of truth. Mathematical computations produce truth state results.
From the above points, it should be obvious that something as measly as this particular universe does not constitute even a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of a tenth of.. a percent of truth's event space.
This "god" called truth is truly (pardon my introduction of probability) standalone.
Um I would respectfully disagree there is a big difference between Truth and Facts. Let me elaborate.....
To chirstians Jesus is the son of god, damn the facts that is their TRUTH
To muslims mohammed is the messenger of god damn the facts that is their TRUTH
Both of these groups are willing to fight to the DEATH to defend those 'Truth's' -- For me I don't truly know what the reality is as I have never met either and as convoluted, misinterpreted, reprinted and interpreted all great religious texts are, how do we know where the Lies and and the Truth begins? We don't there is no way to know, I could go on and on and on, but lets keep it simple.....
Someone PLEASE explain to me how the Council of Nicea was not as 'political' as our healthcare debate was. It is pretty much 100% agreed that 'they' voted on what was/is in the bible, so how in any good conscious can anyone take what is in that book as the word of god? Just this fact alone should be enough for one to question the validity of their beLIEf system. If religious people are so certain of their belief system then why not keep it 100% away from your children until they are 18 and let them decide for themselves if they want to beLIEve? No that never happens because the health of all religions lies in the securing of young minds before they have the power to reason and controlling it with FEAR! I would be willing to bet that if for just one generation we kept religion from children very few would choose to adopt it on their own when the reached the age of maturity, as religion relies upon beLIEf, not facts, logic and reason.
Just my 2c YMMV
Dawg you're missing the point entirely by using the word "truth" in its most superficial instantiation. Try considering my usage of the word in the instantation of the context I have presented - you will likely find different results.
To put you on the right path, I will say that any "facts" or "fictions," as people express them, are ordered sequences or series of four-dimensional truth states. Start from there.
Skateboarder - you put up some good posts. Really. But this just doesn't make sense.
If I punch you in the head, the truth is I punched you. The falsehood is that I didn't. Where is the "infinite granular result space in between" the two statements?
You are only seeing the end result, whether I got punched or not. The very act of that punching is composed of the series of 4-D events starting with your first muscle twitch to your last one in that "punch." How far do you want to divide each of those time slices? Beyond Planck time? Each one of those momentary universal snapshots are the overall computational response of the 'universe' as you know it.
Obviously people are failing to grasp the presented notion conveyed by a word whose meaning is subjective to begin with.
I guess I shouldn't open my mouth in the godtalk space to begin with. Carry on, gentlement. Don't mind me.
And the absolute truth is, their is NO proof of evolution....
in the "we all came from a single cell" sense.
Christians fight to the death to protect their own right to have those beliefs.
Muzzies fight to the death to impose those beliefs on others.
Big difference.
Not equal.
Um right so never ever in history have the christians gone on crusades? Also why are christians always going on missions or missionary work? 'If' they have it so right there should be no need to 'spread' the 'word' people should be flocking to their beLIEf system on their own accord, cause ya know heyZeus is da way doncha ya man.........
Regarding the crusades ... you make the all-too-common error of equating the Roman papacy with real Christianity.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
He makes the shallow as a mud puddle mistake of not understanding the crusades and the events leading to them as well. But please continue to step on your dick, don't mind me..
And people used to drag women b y their hair and even more recently own human slaves. Let's stick with. Current topics, not history lessons. Their are religions of more and less maturity and modernity. The issue is force, be it by a religious faction of modern Islam or Marxism. All beliefs, even atheism, are a "religion" in that they each compile their own "truth documents" and then gather force to attempt to impose them on others, either through law or so please derision. Refer to our latest crop of "deniers" and how they are treated. The image of a truly enlightened society should freedom, but is one persons freedom is another person's threat.
"And people used to drag women b y their hair"
...because if you drag 'em by their feet, they fill up with mud...
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
The Crusades were fought for the same reason the current wars were fought:
Money, Power, Politics. You can't spell Politics without Optics, and fighting a religious holy war at the time pandered to the base of Europe...
And that's how the money for the Spanish Inquisition was made!
tell that to the former inhabitants of north and south america when you get to "heaven".
So I guess we can assume they stole all the history books from your town, county/state so you couldn't read about Christians killing every one in a village to be sure no"heretics' survived.
Impressive to say the least, how people can be brainwashed into thinking their particular bedtime story is the only one ever told.
I'm not surprised that Atheists and Muzzies wind up at the bottom.
Which groups are furthered, sold, supported more by the far left mass media, other than the Progressive, Democratic Party
They LOVE the No God, Big State Paradigm
And Push Muzzies as the True Religion of Peace.
See the problem?
No God but Good Religion of Peace.
All Progressive Entangled Poisonous Lethal Internally Inconsistent Horseshit.
No wonder most folks don't like 'em
Wanna be liked, disassociate yourself with the Dems (let alone the RINOS)
I am still waiting for the PROOF that 'God' Exists, cause that fucker sure wasn't around when I was in the Gulf War watching too many of my friends die f'ed up deaths. Now to be fair I do feel there is a 'Creator" which is very different then the 'god' I was bullied into beLIEving in during my Cathloic upbringing. If that fucker does exist and I ever run into him/her/them I certainly have some questions and issues with them/it.
Why I feel there is a 'Creator' and not a god is that the creator created and stepped back and we are on our own, god implies way too much control for my taste. Also this whole god worship/fear crapola goes to my overall attitude about parenthood. Would you rather your children Fear you or RESPECT you? For me I'd rather have RESPECT then Fear, so I respect the Creator, and do not fear it/him/her, as I do not think they/it/whatever wants our fear but rather our respect. But all of these 'gods' seem to rely upon Fear as a control mechanism rather then earning our Respect. YMMV
And let the Junking by the beLIEver begin.
Remeber folks you can't beLIEve, have a beLIEf without a LIE in the middle.
What do you get when you cross a Jehova's Witness with an atheist?
Someone who knocks on your door for no apparent reason.
+1000 -- Always loved that one.
Nemo
Remeber folks you can't beLIEve, have a beLIEf without a LIE in the middle.
You say that like you really believe it.
Nemo writes: "I am still waiting for the PROOF that 'God' Exists, cause that fucker sure wasn't around when I was in the Gulf War watching too many of my friends die f'ed up deaths."
Uhhh,,,who said God hasta show PROOF? I thought it said 'God is Love'. he? she? It? Bitter much that you didn't think it through that people die like a bitch, in war? Let's see,,,that was choice, right? aka 'free will'?
Flip it, trip it,,good luck.
146 men died in the gulf war "Storm" 111 of enemy action and you say you knew and watched many of them die? The only mass casualty event was a Scud strike on a mess hall in SA? You were there I take it?
Oh *whose* god?
Matthew Alper did a good study on this in his "The God part of the Brain".
Ah yes - the demand to prove a negative. Like the compound interest function - the world would be a whole lot better if they actually taught people how to understand a few basic concepts...
The concept of the human race progressively become better and better through evolution is a veritable font of death and destruction.
It is a strong mental representation of ingroup-outgroup morality and very useful for killing those people over there because they are so different. So different that they are a danger to you as you are to them.
Which makes it a good example of a Mexican standoff.
Atheists like Stalin and Mao tended to agree with you. Heck, for Stalin, killing his own Russian countrymen in gulags was palatable as well. Killing Ukrainians was a slam dunk.
And Mao was simply starved those he chose not to feed and threw those who disagreed with him into re-education camps. And when his enemies got to strong, he started the Cultural Revolution to turn all of China's 20-somethings into a second Red Army.
Atheism Rocks!!!
Wow, people standing up for Stalin and Mao here. You vant Barry should have a third term, oy!!!! (vortex eyes)
We have to give Barry Sotero one more tem so that he can finally implement his HOPE and CHANGE agenda.
Its for the children, ya know!
What could be more positive or warmer?
http://timsterhowdarei.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/shylock.jpg
Stalin did survive the Gulag himself. "A man only Russians could love."
One World Currency, the Dollar, and one World Religion, the State. Then we can finally all get along.
That sure is the Hell of the NWO they're pushing.
And by the same standards you used for Stalin & Mao, Christianity, Judaism and Islam rock too!
I bet you never sat down and read the Old Testament.
Or a Euro history book.
Idiot.
One of the most morbidly interesting facets of the atheist socialist state is it's predilection to kill it's own. No other government kills it's own people on such a mass scale. Yes, autocrats are oppressive and many bad ones in history. However, the modern national/soviet/maoist socialist state with the ruthless support of an official state party jails, kills and tortures like few other. Cambodia killed almost 25% of its own people. Genghis Khan was ruthless but not to his own. The Romans were no shrinking violets but they did not spend lots of time killing Romans. They killed rivals to the throne. N. Korea is a self imposed prison state like most of the communist countries of the last century.
Clever comment, except there is a vast difference between man and human.
We still live in man's world, which is the problem, and not a human world, which is the solution. Human behavior is the thin veneer of civilization, man's behavior is the opposite.
Man appears to be the missing link between anthropoid apes and human beings.
— Konrad Lorenz
http://todayinsci.com/L/Lorenz_Konrad/LorenzKonrad-
Also the so-called human race is basically physically monolithic, it is only divided into ingroups and outgroups by man's primitive beliefs.
- I might add that Christ's vision of how to live approaches that of a human world.
The concept of a personal god was a crucial factor in allowing early government structures to grow.
An early settlement culture could grow faster, be stronger, and survive better if it were able to incorporate conquered hunter-gatherer tribes - who were very often mutual enemies - into its population. Like with immigration. A local personal god provided a control for their mutual (outgroup) hatred and at the same time channeled that hatred towards competing (outgroup) towns, cities, city-states and their competing (outgroup) personal god.
So instead of killing the vanquished for being a dangerous enemy, they became a resource to be used as slaves or soldiers of the rulers and wealthy. Eventually they could attain the status of a citizen, even a ruler, of the state.
Of course this is still going on, although the religious beliefs have largely been replaced by political beliefs. As such, Islam is a religious enemy and Russia is a political enemy.
Islam is both a state and a religion...that is what the caliphate was and what isis, the muslim brotherhood, a.q., and the wahabis all want to reinstitute; an all encompassing totalist civilization.
So why is the US systematically removing the secular rulers in the ME?
Huh?
Except in Israel.
Huh?
Mexico is predominantly Roman Catholic.
We are all doing God’s work, because it’s Sunday… and God is beat.
Remember that God created the earth in 6 days... then, at the seventh day, he took a break, after all, the man was beat.
on the 8th he left the room and shut off the lights and left mankind to its' own device to find the switch...
Wrong. If you believe that Fable and actually paid attention, he took 5 days to create the Earth and everything on it -- including all the Dino bones he planted to trick us -- but made the rest of the Universe in just 1 day (86400 sec).
So... Billions of stars, each with a bunch of planets, in each of the billions of galaxies. Plus Black Holes, red giants, white dwarves, quasars, moons, asteroid, comets, dark matter... and all the way to you-don't-matter. About 1x10E24 out there. All done and arranged in 4D relative to each other in 1 day (86400 sec).
Busted!
Ohh Boy!
Hard to keep up with God’s adventures… Maybe I should stick ‘only’ with the dysfunctional humans, instead.
Missed the sarc button?
The "no God" perspective requires a personal denial of the historical documentation of the life of Jesus Christ.
Its ok, lets just call it what it is.
I went through a phase of this in college, but the evidence in favor of His life being an actual historical event, along with his execution under the historical documented Roman ruler Pontus Pilate causes reconsideration.
Here we have a Jewish state under Roman Rule and the Jewish leaders persuade the Roman Ruler to execute a rebel.
All his followers go into hiding for a short season out of terrible fear of similar execution.
But then his followers reappear, the same individuals, and proclaim the most incredible outlandish account of Christ risen from the grave.
(WTF!!! right?)
So these same followers are so adamant about their conviction this event took place they are no longer afraid of what the Jewish religious leaders will do to neither them *stone them for blasphemy) nor the Romans who like to get gruesome.
In recorded histories from this era we have writings that the Romans and Jews put these followers to death, and in cruel and unusual ways.
Throughout history men have died for causes they believed in. communism, fascism, liberty, Islam, etc.
Men will dies for a cause they believe in, no matter how misguided. Men will die for something they believe is true.
Men will die for their country when the choice is to be shot by your own officers, or take you chances with the "enemy"
But Men will not die for a lie when they know it is a lie,(except maybe for their own children or dearest loved one eg. Dickens- Tale of Two Cities fictional account)
So we are left with the question, What drove the original followers of this Jesus all proclaim his life after death event?
If it was all a lie they could recant and avoid the heinous slow death by roman execution, or being tossed in the arena with wild animals or being stoned as a blasphemer by their own Jewish peers. No one coerced them to go through the humiliation and death of being a member of this new sect. These folks voluntarily accepted outcast and persecution and hideous forms of execution rather than recant their outlandish claim about Jesus Christ.
The original followers of Christ are historically documented outside the bible in the Jewish Historical writings of Josephus’s (circa 70 AD) and in Roman documents as having been put to death for this proclamation of Jesus status as not dead, and of some great importance to the next life for all of us.
The death of the early followers is a testimony which must be considered.
This is just one example of the cause for a Historical Jesus Christ being the objection to a “No God” theory.
If we on ZH claim to be enlightened and intellectual, able to see past the BS of the media and government we need to also be able to make a logical investigation into this historical account.
There is a small easy to read book by an author who set out to disprove the account of Christ’s life but was overwhelmed with the evidence in favor of his life. It literally sickened him to learn that all his atheist views he held so dear could not stand up to the evidence.
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/313631.More_Than_a_Carpenter
Before we refute the existence of God further, I would humbly submit we take a look at the concepts put forth in this book, and if someone can win a debate against each and every topic the author presents we have a starting point on the plausible deniability of the existence of deity.
THERE IS NO HISTORY!!!!!! THERE IS NO WRITTEN RECORD IN THE 1ST CE!!!!!
NO ROMAN HISTORIAN ALIVE IN THE 1ST CE EVER PENNED ANYTHING ABOUT JEEZUS...
THERE IS NO GOSPEL AVAILABLE PRIOR TO THE 4TH CENTURY CE!!!
E.g., 3 Wise Men? A Mithraic Myth.
Here's another. Christmass previously known soley as December 25th, was the WINTER SOLSTICE on the JULIAN CALENDAR; and stayed that way until approx. 1598CE when the Gregrorian Calendar was set in place.
P.S. Another reason why the PEW Poll is Fraudulent. Mormons, founded by a Fraud (and Real Estate Banking Fraud as well), a twice escaped Felon, a BS Artists (Egyptian Glyphs, Mid-South American Fairie Tales tying JEEZUS and JEWISH LOST TRIBES to them, thrice evicted from regions, and surrender-monkeyed to the Governor of Illinois - with only 15 Million People - is rated just below 50 and above Hindus, Muslims and Atheists.
I know a lot more honest Atheists (who STILL would rather live uprightly) than what I've encountered from thieving, stalking, proselytizing Mormons.
i am sorry you are upset, but your information is inaccurate or possibly just out of date.
Josephus was a Roman Jewish historian in the 1st century. who wrote on the topic of Jesus, but was not a convert himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus
There are many early church manuscripts which have been unearthed in the 20th and 21st century which are from the peiod before coucil of Nicea
http://earlychristianwritings.com/
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_manuscript#New_Testament_manuscripts
each year more manuscripts are discovered. and we have original documents starting from 125AD
Yes it is true Christmas on 12/25 is not the accurate date for Christ's birth.
Yes the three wise man narrative " The Maji" does exist in the New Testament.
The most efficient way to obtain a historical, logical view of what Chrsitains believe is of course to read the Bible. the Gospel of John is a good begining.
For some intellectual discourse on why the New Testament is a valid document to consider, and why Christ is a valid historical figure to be study one could start with "More Than A Carpenter" by Josh McDowell
http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntt=more+than+a+c...
This is an incredibly easy read, but brings to light some very valid points for those who have an antagonistic view of Jesus.
I sincerely hope the best for you.
You MUST be deluded.
All of Josephus' Entries published in the 4thCE onwards contained those comments allegedly about JEEZUS; but the comments were forgeries based on 1) anachronistic prose and 2) 3rd CE and earlier Editions didn't contain them.
Several Historians were referencing Chrestus, not Christ. Two separate entities. Chrestus' references had the "i" written over the "e" a few times. The name Chrestus means "Good" and/or "Useful". Dumbass Xians wanted to lump them together; but that's pretty much what Xianity is.
Take the Challenge looking for an historical documents at the claimed times of early 1st CE - since there is none. No documents supporting it, nor are there any documents denouncing it. Absolutely nothing.
http://jesusbirthermovement.tumblr.com/post/51446102697/the-official-jes...
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/scholars.html
http://www.mythicistpapers.com/timeline-of-jesus-mythicism/
Nicely said. Religion gives a lot of people an excuse to never fully enjoy their one and only existence.
Hitler called it an opiate. I call it thought control. Nearly all the Southern Christians, that I've known, still give the Old Testament too much consideration. That's why their Jewish overlords rank highest on this scale.
"Hitler called it an opiate"
Hitler never said that, that was Karl Marx. And it's misquoted, on top.
And siding with Marx or Hitler is a good thing???
It's the truth ! Its interpretation (the "siding" part) is all yours...
Invoking Godwin's Law. DaveO loses.
Dismissed, due to incorrect reference to Hitler.
DaveO is still in play.
I further call a penalty as Godwin's Law does not define "winner" or "loser', merely that the probability that an online disccusion will invoke the Nazis approaches 1 as said debate goes on.
Atheist Sam Harris makes the vital distinction between religion and spirituality in his new book Waking Up:
http://www.samharris.org/waking-up
Christopher Hitchens Book
God Is No Great
How religion poisons everything
Hitchens died a pretty miserable death..
He faced death very bravely and publicly -wrote a book
That book proves how angry and miserable he felt at the end...
That book was written before he was diagnosed...The book that he wrote before his death and was on tour was Hitch 22 a Memoir...
Yes my point,,,,GOD Loves vengeance,,,I say fuck him and the son he sacrificed in the most illiterate part the fucking desert...Not in China where people could reason and think but in the illiterate horde of the desert.....Not my cup of tea...If you said to me that I had to sacrifice my daughter to give my allegiance to god I would say go fuck yourself..
God loves Justice.
His track record sucks....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Hitchens#Final_illness_and_death
esophogal cancer.
It took his voice before it took his life.
kind of a biblically poetic ending to one who would make a life's work of denying the existence of God.
Complete asshole are you!!!!!!!!!!!
God looked with indifference when 100 million Russians where starved to death and six million Jews were exterminated with his arms folded,,,,,,fuck him and you... Try to defend this...with your religion....
kind of a biblically poetic ending to one who would make a life's work of denying the existence of God.
God would love the sentance above you fucking moron,, don't beleive in me and you will die a horribel death with cancer,,,, great stuff fuckhead...!!!! Sounds like ISIS...
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You can stick to your religion who endorses the fucking of young boy's and hiding the fact by moving these despicable assholes to another fucking church... that's for you to embrace.. Bernard Law of Boston....who takes refuge in the confines of the Vatican....
Fear not - the day will come when your friend Bernard is stood before a court of vicious young children - those who he victimized - and the children will call out "burn him" because only a child can be trusted to do what is right when the time comes. And that fuck will burn and his skin will fall from the bones and he will scream and scream for two hours before his life expires. And then we'll do it again til every pedofreak in the US is cooked to a crispy black. And the length of their run from judgement will prolong the period of their torture
Fear not - the day will come when your friend Bernard is stood before a court of vicious young children - those who he victimized - and the children will call out "burn him" because only a child can be trusted to do what is right when the time comes. And that fuck will burn and his skin will fall from the bones and he will scream and scream for two hours before his life expires. And then we'll do it again til every pedofreak in the US is cooked to a crispy black. And the length of their run from judgement will prolong the period of their torture
and we'll do like the Soviets and elect a glove maker. A lady who will peal the skin from hands of those preachers and teachers of religion and make gloves, while they are wide awake. And we will stick the churchies in big vats and boil them to make stew. And the stew will be fed to other churchies and on and on and we will spend 10 years torturing and tormenting the Christians til our hearts swell with satisfaction and no single Christian will live. And they will be branded on their forheads and hunted down into the caves and smoked out like animals and shot when they try to run. And their kids will be corralled up and taken from them, and their women will be beaten and their houses burns and every Christian in the country will cry out to God but he won't answer because there is no God nor was there ever nor will there ever be and a cloud of darkness will fall over the country and every Christian will die
that is probably the most evil wicked thing i have even seen posted on ZH.
it is possibly exactly what will happen in the last days.when we read Revelation.and Jesus own words in Matthew 24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.Evil misguided men will do great evil.
However the story does not end with the martydom of believers.
God has saved a final victory for himeself.
Some of the believers however will stand and fight before they let their women and children be taken.
for every holocaust there is a defiant remant.
we may yet die, but so shall we all anyway.
+1000 to you Dick Buttkiss
It is sad that most people do not understand the difference between spirituality and religion.
Is exactly that myopia that is blinding with those folk.
In the very final extant, everybody has a Higher Power, if by default, their very own Ego.
you lost me at atheist...
atheists are straight up fools preening in their midget "human" suits of pride and decay...Atheism is akin to a sparrow denying the existence of the sky or a fish-the Ocean
Man is an incredibly small yardstick with which to measure CREATION...that's right...as in "a Created universe".
Did creation take 6 days or a Trillion? Who knows, who cares...
all anyone needs to now is that it WAS Created...take your own "spiritual" jouney from there, starting from the evidence of a massive, unfathomable shadow we call GOD....
Atheists believe in nothing and, as a result, they believe in everything... that's one of their problems. Since they don't have a minimal core of common values, they find themselves in a permanent war with the rest of the world AND among themselves. Finally, atheism is very hard to reconcile with the human mind natural need for hope and purpose. There is nothing more damaging to the human psyche than dry materialism. It's a perfect recipe for arrogance, unhapiness, and depression... That's why many of them are always angry, and poised to prove you wrong.
You and Bananamerican should read the book. Methinks your minds are already too closed to do so, however, which speaks to Harris's point about the difference between religion and spirituality.
Ironically, if you actually look at humanity and identify which people are currently at war with the world and within themselves, it's mainly the religious nuts.
No, it's the military-industrial-police-surveillance-regulatory-administration-confiscatory state, playing its Machiavellian game of world domination by goading the (mostly Abrahamic) religions into let's-you-and-him-fight for the state's benefit:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-05/war-what-it-good-hint-these-4-c...
Which is why the state, in any and all its forms, can kiss my ass.
You don't hear preachers advocating water boarding....this is true.
Nor to my knowledge actually executing on it. I have dealt with preachers who have stood by and watched these great crimes unfold...and they have said nothing. I think God isn't gonna give two shakes about those people once they're dead.
"Unspeakable crimes committed on the entirety of the human race." All their as a form of entertainment.
Oh, and...yes, you gotta pay for that too.
The day someone Lincoln's Bill O'Reilly et al on air will be a good day indeed. "The Julius Streicher of our Age." Goring didn't even know who Goebels' #2 was...and was offended when he was tried at Nuremberg "with all the truly important people." Hehehehehehe. What a dope.
Needless to say "the Americans were not" as they saw what exactly all those German "doctors" were looking for in all they're experiments.
Did they find it as well?
Really? Obama in the U.S. is a religious nut? Ex-KGB Colonel Putin is a religious nut? The Chinese Premier is a religious nut? Assad is a religious nut? Methinks you might be the nut.
Religion is an empty, simple catalyst used to pursue virtue and spirituality. Like sugar to swallow a bitter pill. Your implication atheism and materialism are one and the same reveales the spiritual dearth of modern practicers of religion such as yourself.
Marx called it the opiate of the masses and commenced to supplanting it with Big Brother.
That worked out well ;-)
I like how Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao and others all became the same Big Brother of 1984 in the western psiche.
Millions of dead bodies stacked up like cord wood and bread lines around the block tend to have that affect ;-)
Sweet.
Let me guess, another american who never set foot in a communist country.
I personally don't recall bread lines until 1989, nor seeing or hearing of any "stacked bodies" from my free apartment near Moscow to my family home in Tomsk, in syberia. But maybe you do...
Nor do I have any desire to set foot in any communist country.
"I personally don't recall bread lines until 1989..."
So apparently you're around thirty years old and have a freeeee! apartment. Wow. You should elevate your view of the world around you instead of being a pacified little worker bee.
Its very liberating ;-)
If you are in the US you are in a de facto communist country.
Sorta but if we don't explain the differences (and the dangers) to the pups (like our young Russian friend with the freeeee! apartment here...lol) nothing will ever change. When its all one has ever known it seems natural (and acceptable) that oligarchs feast in mansions along the Black Sea coast while the crumbs are swept up off their floors to give to him in his free apartment. They (oligarchs) know some people are like this and are fine with it.
They also know he will never own the building his apartment is in.
They do ;-)
Ayreos, you are a moron and your writing reflects it. I have family in communist countries, although not Russia. Have you ever talked to anyone from one...other than Putin and comrades? You cannot have family in Tomsk. Ask Putin where the bodies are. Ask Solzhenitysn. Are you going to assert it was the workers' paradise? What Soviet truth serum were you fed?
Talk to Yuri Maltsev, economist under Gorbachev. Maybe he can enlighten you. He is from your alleged homeland and worked as a state economist. He regularly lectures.
As in hiroshima,Nagasaki,Tokyo and dresden?
Nanking, Bataan death march.
If the Bible says any one thing it's "don't piss off the Americans." That's somewhere in middle parts I believe.
Mentioned twice.
Firstin Gensis and last in Revelaitons.
to me: Revelation 18 reads like America is going to get bombed to smithereens.
just saying.
I'm not an atheist, but I have no need for hope, or purpose. My purpose is to cause pain for Christians and all the religious people of the world. And I am only depressed because I haven't been able to inflict pain enough to satiate my need for revenge. But I know that day will come and you Angel of Joy will face the choir and they will sing out the song of your death and you will tremble in fear before you are jerked by a rope around your neck out to the torturing tables and made to look like a disected frog
Most of the wars I've read about were about "My god is better than your god".
Here is the deal. Everybody gets to find out the ultimate secret.
For the believers, you are either going to be happy to be back home, very sorry for being an asshole, or you will experience some phenomena that humanity has guessed about since day 1...and you will know just how wrong humanity´s multiple guesses have been.
For the non-believers, you are either going to be enveloped in blackness as your auditory nerves send the last impulses of sound to your failing brain, or your going to have one hell of a shock. Hopefully, in case the latter happens, you were not an asshole during life.
As his cancer progressed, Steve Jobs seemed to have a 50/50 view about the afterlife. Here is a minute or so starting at 11:02 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXcfDN6L9d8
Even though he explored Buddhism during his life, he struggled with the topic. When his time finally came however, he left us with this....and it doesn´t sound like he was experiencing an "on-off switch".
Steve Jobs's last words: 'Oh wow. Oh wow. Oh wow.'No, people "don't like" atheists because they sound like you, claiming that their opinion is "fact". For instance, you say "there is no forgiveness". Wrong! We forgive you for stating such twaddle. Also, to think that this life, this "tale told by an idiot" according to Mr. Shakespeare, is all you've got is ludicrous. This is our OPINION.
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I'll be quick to assume you know you're due to kick the bucket.
Hopefully when your life flashes before your eyes you have plenty to watch.
Religion is a scam. You were raised to believe a certain thing and never questioned it. You followed a false idol and eventually your time will come.
I don't blame you for being scared for not cherishing the only life you have.
I pitty you for believing all your sins will be forgiven, that you will be with your loved ones soon enough and will continue in the afterlife. Or that you will be reincarnated, or maybe your soul will go into resting until you are reincarnated.
Then again with all these "religions" you can't be so certain you followed the right one.
You've made my point TD, born a serf and will die a serf.
You know NOTHING about us, punk. "I'll be quick to assume...". Never assume anything! Have you learned nothing? You were called out because you stated your opinion as fact. This is an intellectual blunder. You claim to KNOW what happens after death. We would never do that. Listen to your tone, so harsh, accusatory, aggressive; so full of (false) assumptions, so emotional. Are you a progressive? We are neither scared nor a serf, Child.
Depends I've been on this site long enough.
You guys are quick to call foul with the government, that there must be agenda, a game is afoot.
There are TPTB and you question your government and current events in the world as a red herring, another false flag.
Yet when it comes to religion and questioning it you use your 'faith' instead of common sense that you use for everything else in this world. TPTB, government, FED, ect.
Try thinking objectively. It works better than your blind sense to follow your faith.
Don't believe them - they are liars of the highest order. Every day in church they quote Paul or Romans and say "be at peace with your government" "God appointed them over you" they are the most compliant and willing of all because they believe God will deliver them to victory but it is God whose end is most near
Why do I have to be apart of some religion to believe in GOD. Thats what all you atheists think is that someone has to be catholic,jew,etc,etc. So very wrong on your kinds part.
Let's use facts about our world. Look at the way your body works. It is a perfect machine with every single cell having to work together flawlessly just to inhale and then again exhale.
Look at how the world itself works. it is truly perfect. Everything in nature has a role. Every single thing in this planet all has to work together in some way or another for every single thing to live.
You think that is from evolution or by mistake. Its by design.I been down your road before and I have arrived back where my heart told me was right. I am not part of any religious movement but I do believe in the Most High. I attend church with myself.I do not need a following or to follow someone to believe in God. Bash away but I truly hope you find your way.
Great comment, saints51.
Many disbelievers get caught up in rhetoric:
"Religion" vs "Spirituallity"
In reality, either can mean many things.
Some are caught up with "vengeance" and eschew "forgiveness"
Neither are positive ways to live life.
"Science" is the secular being's "god"
Yet politics and money have completely corrupted science.
100% of their understanding is based on the physical world
Yet the observable world teaches numerous lessons about the metaphysical plane that they never note.
And how could I not mention all those that say things like: "Mother Nature will fix this"
Never realizing they just chose their "god" (as if a mindless rock has feelings such as vengeance, justice, etc)
They confuse interpretations with God's word, conflating the two
Yet if they were truly open minded and intelligent they would actually read, study, and interpret God's word.
Lots of examples of the above on ZH and everywhere else.
Surely the cultural and moral breakdown in America would convince intelligent observers that the religion of man, called atheism or secular Judaism, is a pathway that can be controlled by tyrants.
The importance of marriage, the significance of innocence among children, the understood responsibility of a father to protect his children, of a mother to keep the home together for the health and happiness of her family…these things can be pushed away by the likes of a Joseph Biden who has pointed out that the Jews are behind gay marriage (the current revolutionary movement in the U.S.), the pornographers, the pediophiles, the political parties, the atheists and lesbians and political activists on the US Supreme Court, the corporations who make their money on the instant gratification and perversions that the declining standards of a banker-bought Congress and welfare state permit.
It was innate conscience and the love of God and belief in something greater than lowly man that created the permanent things in this world: liberty, respect, property rights, justice, honesty, innocence, honor, security, courage and selflessness. In short, the right to life. The prime example is Christian America.
It was the rules of man – atheism – that provided absolutely no limits, no standards, that ushered in totalitarianism – a boot stamping on a human face — forever. The prime example is Bolshevik Russia.
It was Soviet Communism that turned a society into a gulag, to death, to the evil dictates of atheist man – a Stalin, a Lenin, a Trotsky…
The Bible is God’s guide for man’s walk on his Creation, and unlike the laws of man it is not compromised, it doesn’t change. Discard it and society reaps the atheist whirlwind – the silent scream.
It’s a free-will, clear choice: Lenin’s atheist Russia or the Founders’ Christian America. Sadly, the intolerance of atheism already is sweeping the United States in a million intricate ways. For Instance, as James G. Bruen, Jr., reports:
“When the St. Louis Rams selected Michael Sam in the last round of the NFL draft, he kissed his boyfriend on live TV…
“The Miami Dolphins fined safety Don Jones for tweeting ‘OMG’ and ‘Horrible’ after Michael Sam’s draft day queer kiss. The Dolphins excused Jones from team functions, requiring him to undergo education training before returning to the team.”