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Goodbye Gun Control: The $1,200 Machine For 3D-Printing Guns Has Sold Out In 36 Hours
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Last May, I covered the work of Defense Distributed with regard to its building of tools for individuals to 3D-print their own firearms in the post. Meet “The Liberator”: The World’s First Fully 3D-Printed Firearm, In it, I noted:
3D-printing, like decentralized crypto currencies, have the potential to change the world in which we live in extraordinary ways. Ways that are almost inconceivable at this point given we are so early in the game. More than anything else, these technologies can empower the individual like never before, and I think that is generally a very good thing.
While all sixteen pieces of the Liberator were printed in ABS plastic, the $1,200 computer-controlled (CNC) milling machine called the “Ghost Gunner,” is capable of automatically carving polymer, wood, and metal in three dimensions. More from Wired:
Americans want guns without serial numbers. And apparently, they want to make them at home.
On Wednesday, Cody Wilson’s libertarian non-profit Defense Distributed revealed the Ghost Gunner, a $1,200 computer-controlled (CNC) milling machine designed to let anyone make the aluminum body of an AR-15 rifle at home, with no expertise, no regulation, and no serial numbers. Since then, he’s sold more than 200 of the foot-cubed CNC mills—175 in the first 24 hours. That’s well beyond his expectations; Wilson had planned to sell only 110 of the machines total before cutting off orders.
While the Ghost Gunner is a general-purpose CNC mill, capable of automatically carving polymer, wood, and metal in three dimensions, Defense Distributed has marketed its machine specifically as a tool for milling the so-called lower receiver of an AR-15, which is the regulated body of that semi-automatic rifle. The gun community has already made that task far easier by selling so-called “80-percent lowers,” blocks of aluminum that need only a few holes and cavities milled out to become working lower receivers. Wilson says he’s now in talks with San Diego-based Ares Armor, one of the top sellers of those 80-percent lowers, to enter into some sort of sales partnership.
The sales numbers for the Ghost Gunner may be far smaller. But at $1,200, every sale helps fund the activities of Defense Distributed. “I’ve never felt more optimistic about the ability of Defense Distributed to become an installed part of the future, and to help create an expansion of the second amendment,” he says. “There’s hope that Defense Distributed can become a significant civil liberties organization…That’s the ambition, the wildest dream of this entity, to have a marked material effect like that.”
Now here’s the Ghost Gunner in all its YouTube video glory:
Long-time readers of Liberty Blitzkrieg will know that I am a huge supporter of gun rights. While I am personally not a gun enthusiast in my own life, I recognize the right of my fellow citizens to be armed. While many people like to blindly push for gun control, it would be mush wiser for Americans to focus on “war control.” That is, stopping our own government from consistently, aggressively and unconstitutionally unleashing violence on populations all over the world, particularly the Middle East.
I find it the height of hypocrisy when politicians constantly using our nation’s blood and treasure to bomb and murder civilians all over the world, get up on podiums to stress the importance of disarming peaceful civilians due to a few random school shootings (as tragic as they are). When the U.S. government becomes Switzerland, then we can talk gun control. The biggest criminals, murders and war-profiteers around are at the top of the U.S. government and the military-industrial complex, and they’re doing it with our tax dollars. So if you want a more peaceful world, let’s start there.
For more of my thoughts on gun control read: How to Spot a Hypocrite in the Gun Debate and Other Reflections on Newtown
If 3D-printing of firearms isn’t your thing, check out: 3D Printing Entire Homes and Neighborhoods May be Just Around the Corner
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Where there is a will, there is a way
Too bad the government can't print volunteers.
but it can print dollars to buy mindless goons to apply the boot to the human face.
FUCK YEAH CRYPTO ANARCHY!!!!!
And you fellows are genuinely surprised when you're referred to as "gun nuts" by the rest of the world?
The rest of the world doesn't understand what it's like to live here. Life in the US is hell. You cannot trust anyone, least of all your governments. Your name sounds Scandinavian.
Any of the 3 Scandic nations are better places to raise a family and own a business. Just shut the damn borders and stop the flow of Africans.
Every time we read this we are amazed that Tim May had the foresight to write this back in 1988. This is like the Old Testament of the internet and modern world.
http://www.activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html
BULL-FUCKING-SHI!!
We love Cody Wilson! He never forgets to bring his Thoreau to a Marx fight.
Make that...BULL-FUCKING-SHIT!
CAUSE IT'S ALREADY ILLEGAL TO SELL GUNS OR RECEIVERS YOU MAKE WITHOUT A MANUFACTURER FLL!!
What stupidity saying these machines mean "the end to gun control"
DUH!
PLUS YOU NEED A BARREL AND ALL THE TRIGGER GROUP PARTS AND A MAGAZINE AND A STOCK AND SIGHTS AND...
But not illegal to own or manufacture for yourself.
Nonetheless, his doing this in such a public way is sheer stupidity, because it will result in the law being changed. Rather than bypassing gun control, it will result in more, entirely due to his publicity efforts. I wonder who's side he's really on.
Where there is a MILL, there is a way...
Why sell the finished recievers? Sell someone a block of aluminum, and rent him your machine for a dollar. Perfectly legal.
Uppers and magazines are completely uncontrolled and undocumented in the US. You can mail order them.
More guns, great. This bodes well for the future :/
Yes, it does.
Slaves are all unarmed.
Now this is what I call Humanitarian Aid!
..the trick is getting the lowers..
he seems to have solved that problem
It's not illegal to sell them either, it's illegal to manufacture with the INTENT to sell.
So if you make a gun, use it for 3yrs and sell it, you are not a criminal. If you make 100 of them and go sell them, you're probably going to jail.
surprise IRS audit arrives in Cody Wilson's mailbox in 3 ... 2 ... 1 . . .
Depends on whose side he is on but a drone strike would be so much more spectacular and exciting.
Still don't own a battle (er...patrol) rifle that becomes unusable if you step on it.
Just a .30 Cal fan...
I think you mean to say Personal Defense Weapon (PDW). At least that's what we used to call them in the .MIL
What gun control? Every drunk in America owns a hand-gun. What's all this big-brother shit everybody is babbling about? Big Brother must own a pawn shop.
There is no such thing as gun control, only giving the government goons and criminals (though I repeat myself) a monopoly on gun ownership.
"the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" we the people are taking back through technology what the out of control government has taken from us. we the people are secure in the knowledge that our fellow american is good and law abiding, we trust our fellow american, and the bad guys in every society are always going to do what they do. we are prepared for them, and preparation is never a bad thing. weather it be against the bad guys, or the historical bad guys an out of control government and their banker controllers.
Amen to that. This is why I read ZH. Best Jounalism and unbiased info in the World.
its whether, buy great post, forget about it four chan is on a roll......
I have uppers but I took care of my lowers so only have a few caps and a partial.
And if you are talking about keeping the Gov off your back an AK 47 will not be any good at all.
Why take a gun to a drone fight!
Wake me up when the 3D printers can produce a Tomahawk hell fire.
Thanks Tylers.
Now I know what I want for Christmas.
Sorry, but if you don't have a manufactures FFL, then you can not sell the gun. You can not give it to someone, you can not leave it in your will. I did the research on it when I looked into building a falling block when I had access to CNC. But you can keep all of them yourself! Might have to look into this machine a bit more.
Fuck "the law" and all its "may nots"!!!
If it became law to turn in your guns and you owned some, would you?
More guns! Great! If everyone was heavily armed, the world and society would be a safer place. Cops would think twice... and then three times, and then again, before they got uppity and in someone's face. After thinking a few more times, they would probably just quit their job. Criminals would also consider a carreer change, after a sober contemplation of the sudden rise in job-related mortality re their chosen profession. Everyone would be much more courteous and polite around one another. Rapists would have to weigh the pluses of abandoning self-control versus the cons of torso ventilation. All of this thinking would raise the IQ of our society. Guns are a good thing, and the more the better.
i'd be proud to call you my neighbor.
Me2. I'll take one in AK74 please. :-) Battle Rifles for the whole community. A la Helvetica.
+11111
"torso ventilation".....awsome.
An armed society is a polite society and helps with the greetings thing, shaking hands, picking one's nose, but most of all hailing a taxi.
Namaste, bitchez.
Look I get it, it's seductive as hell. Moar power. But it doesn't work that way. It never has. The moar you tool up, the moar the government will in response. You can never arm yourself well enough. Never. Iraq has had every conventional weapon in the US Military's arsenal used on, in, around, and at it. M777 field howitzers throwing gps guided PBXN 9 warheads 25 miles away into areas less than 5 metres across. A10 warhogs with 30mm vulcan cannons blazing DU shells about the place at 35 rounds a second. Peredator drones throwing 100 pound hellfire missiles around the desert at a tick over the speed of sound. 165,000 combat troops, AR15s, M249's, Mk47's and sooooo much more, and it still wasn't enough. Same at home. It will never be enough. Enough for what?
Yeah, works just like that in Somalia, Liberia, Iraq, Syria, DRC, meanwhile Denmark, Australia, Canada and Norway are absolutely hell on earth... just as you say.
While the statement is factually correct it has nothing to do with the gun control laws. Switzerland has higher gun ownership ratio that the USA and lower crime rate than here in Oz. Gun related crime has not changed noticeably in Australia ... if anything it is slightly worse because crims know that nobody has a firearm to protect themselves so home invasion etc is a far less risky proposition to them. The reports are in and the facts speak for themselves.
Your problem in the USA is a sick culture or the income disparity between richest and poorest or the racial tensions ... if you didn't have guns those gang bangers would be slicing and dicing each other with pocket knives.
Somalia et al are strawman arguments. Get your Gov to give EVERY citizen over there a gun and see what happens. It is only like it is because the guns are limited and restricted to the bad guys ... same old same old.
No. The problem is both simpler and more complex than that. (And gun related crime hasn't changed much here, it's just getting more ink than it used to. Disclosure: used to work for News Ltd)
Guns, funnily enough, aren't the problem. There's a unique willingness in the American pschye to point them at people. That's the part where it goes sideways. I don;t know if it's fear, anger, mass psychosis, a collective despair and powerlessness that can only be assuaged by the simple, uncompromising feeling of control that a loaded and locked AR14 can give you or just too many goddamed Die Hard movies. But there's something in American heads that says yeah, pointing guns at humans is fine.
For those who may already have an inexpensive HF mill.
http://fignoggle.com/
It still doesn't change the laws making it illegal for felons, domestic abusers, involuntarily committed persons and wanted suspects to possess firearms
Too bad the law doesn't prevent fucking idiots from owning guns too cause I've seen way too many of em at the range lately.
And yet people find it perfectly acceptable to violate one's right to self defense because of some past transgression.
Can't wait to hear someone say this should be perfectly legal for all "law-abiding citizens."
Or as long as you get a permit you should be able to do what you want.
lulz
pods
I have been a strong supporter of making all forms of knives and automobiles illegal do to stabbings and car accidents that may take place. No one listens.
ladders, and also bathtubs, dont forget bathtubs
Bathtubs have GOT to GO!!
Why won't anybody think of the CHILDREN!!!!!
Exactly.
They've got those stupid ass labels on five gallon buckets, why not bathtubs!?!? We can't help it if toddlers can't read labels, stick their heads in there and fall in.
We're covered! Legally ;-)
Here's the reason for the number of government rules.
If you are a bureaucrat and you make a rule, you are, at that point, out of a job.
To keep your job, you have to make up more rules.
....and there's a lot of bureaucrats!
The best way is to make multiple rules which are complex, vague, and occasionally conflict in some way with each other. Therefore, they need lots of interpretation by you and teams of other bureacrats to make revisions, and maintenance. This means only you understand it, therefore you have job security. I've actually seen this, its one of the ways the corrupt build their little empires.
I have been saying for years their ought to be a law against illegality of all sorts if only we had laws that covered the more common transgressions, robbery, assault, rape etc. Just make it illegal, jeez we are so dumb England has laws against off of these things, see here is the result: http://www.allsafedefense.com/news/International/BritvsUSA.htm
Wait, what you say, the rates are much higher than the U.S. hmm... We need more laws than them that's the ticket..
It's called 'Common Law'
There's a difference between 'lawful' and 'legal'
A very big difference.
Its completely legal for a SWAT guy to cause the miscarriage of a pregnant woman by throwing her on a couch because he's executing a search warrant however baby daddy is perfectly within his rights (in most peoples opinion) to shoot him dead for killing their unborn child.
Lawful vs legal.
Another?
How many politicians and wall street bankers (working in tandem) are in jail for melting down the economy AGAIN at the expense of all but them?
Legal vs lawful ;-)
Two problems...
The legal system has taken over from law...
The legal system is applied asymmetrically.
Yes, there are no brakes on "the system".
I first noticed it long ago with bank robbers, lets put aside that robbery is in fact a crime and that the money being robbed is insured by FDIC so its recoverable and it was created from odious debt/fractional reserve banking in the first place, not peoples actual deposits...and just look at the actors in these little dramas.
Three robbers, two go in, one stays outside as the driver. One of the two inside shoots and kills the guard and all are charged with murder including the driver who was not even inside the bank.
The "legal rationale" of course, is to "flip" the driver against the two who entered the bank by allowing the prosecuter to abuse the justice system in bringing a charge (murder) we all know to be outlandish, he didn't shoot anyone inside, he couldn't have, he was outside in the car.
So "the system" has invited deception and coercion into the process of justice as an expedient toward its own end, which is not justice at all based on the sliding scale of the seriousness of the crime but an abuse of the system they are supposed to serve & cherish.
Do enlighten us with the difference, unless it's some "state citizen" bullshit, in which case please keep that to yourself. kthxbye
dat's right, neva' fu'get to get dee gubmint p'mishun to do sumpin'...cuz ignance o dee laws be no damn 'scuse when it come time fo' dee linchin'...
no question some people should not own guns, but they should have every right to do so.....
Once you start making judgements for OTHER people then you endorse control & force...Once you set yourself up as morally/intellectually superior to make decisions for other people then we are screwed...oh wait thats what we have now...
Cast the blank yourself out of beer cans. All you need is an old party balloon canister, an air mattress blower, some used motor oil and sand. Then again, forget all of that. The most successful mass murderer in American history used fertilizer. The second most successful used gasoline. Check out the social club fire.
No politician that is not delusional thinks he can control this. Americans have bought enough guns and ammunition to outfit an army every two days since our President has been elected.
Guns have a very long shelf life. I am currently shooting trap door spring fields made in the 1870’s. A few years back I was shooting ammunition made during the first world war. This stuff is not going away.
Assuming the three percenters are correct and I have no reason to doubt their theory, any serious attempt to disarm the public will mobilize a swarm of somewhere around a million men and women that will kill the first man that comes through their door to disarm them.
Bottom line, gun abolitionists are spitting in the wind.
NSA, FBI, DEA, DATF and several others are probably tracking the orders while watching their porn.
And what exactly do the laws from just another failed state in history mean? I have many guns that outlived the nations that originally built them and used them as a tool of force.
You can buy all of that stuff with cash.
You're correct. To a point. See my post, below.
Firearms or receivers manufactured within a state that do not cross state boundaries are not part of interstate commerce. As such they are not under the jurisdiction of FLL. However, if one is registered as a dealer or some other commercial entity they must comply with FLL. It is possible to manufacture and exchange on a private basis within a state without FLL controlling.
A major problem we have in this country is that people have been indoctrinated into thinking centralized power is the norm and the states are defunct.
Learn about how the commerce clause reinforced a strong central government, which was a gem included the constitution by the Judas Priest Hamilton. What ever happened to states rights?
http://www.lawnix.com/cases/united-states-lopez.html
Mention states rights and you're immediately branded a racist. The civil war happened to them.
"Firearms or receivers manufactured within a state that do not cross state boundaries are not part of interstate commerce."
Seems like a no-brainer, but not necessarily true. See Supreme Court cases...
Wickard v. Filburnhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn
Gonzales v. Raichhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich
The cases you list are most applicable. This goes to show how the decision making process of the court is as much political as it is judicial. As you can see the article you posted gave an update on the interpretation of the commerce clause in the case I listed.
What is important is the standing the party has when they enter into the bar. Was the farmer being granted some sort of agricultural prvivilege from a federal jurisdiction placing him under the the full force and effect of the commerce clause? In other words, were the crops he was growing part of a program he entered with the federal government. This would place him under a commercial jurisidiction making all of his crops subject to the interestate commerce clause. Trying to separate a percentage of the crop as private wouldn't cut the muster.
This is why it is important to know if what you are doing is in somway involved in an activity which has a government privilege or is based in commerce controlled by the feds.
It is easy to see how draconian applications of the commerce clause have an affect on what we do. Always beware of the applications we sign. Said application bring us into jurisdictions we aren't even aware. This is why I added the caveat to be sure your activity is in a private standing.
"This is why it is important to know if what you are doing is in somway involved in an activity which has a government privilege or is based in commerce controlled by the feds."
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court seems to believe ALL commerce can be deemed interstate, if they apply warped logic, like they have. The defendants in these cases didn't enter into an agreement or program with .gov. The defendants just didn't follow the Fed rulz, and the Supreme Court said thr rulz were legit.
Yes, the Commerce Claus has been used to invalidate virtuallyl every other part of the Constitution, especially the 10th Amendment.
The second amendment is a limitation on the comerce clause.
You don't really know much about how firearm pieces are sold, do you? A little, yes...but not enough.
I've milled my own lowers, assembled them, and merely ordered uppers through a local gun shop.
Paid cash for the uppers, it's all non-traceable.
Good for you. Stay out of the feds jurisdiction and you can get the courts on your side.
Non-traceable, UNTIL YOU POSTED ABOUT IT HERE ON THE INTERNET!
I swear the average ZH poster has the common sense of a turtle. Turtles are likeable and everyone likes them, and you probably are likable too. But for the love of god, buddy, BASIC OPERATIONAL SECURITY means you don't talk ON THE FUCKING INTERNET about untraceable transactions you made. JFC...
What is the FIRST FUCKING RULE OF FIGHT CLUB? It's right up front there, buddy. It's more than just a clever line from a movie.
Thoreau on Civil Disobedience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLtrabKgaIA
"I heartily accept the motto,—“That government is best which governs least;” and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which I also believe,—“That government is best which governs not at all;” and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have."
Ask yourselves... are you truly prepared for such a world? If your answer is even remotely hesitant, you have more work to do. Almost all of us have more work to do.
We are ready.
"Wherever there is a mill, there is a way".
Lathes are very handy also, as well as shapers.
But we're a dying breed.
I am as ready as I will ever be. The people around me? Not so much.
Brought to you by an Arkie. Working to dispel that barefoot, toothless rap, one man at a time.
P.S. Bloomberg, PISS OFF!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Wilson
There was a time when every man (in Europe + that other part of Europe no one likes, Russia) carried a sword. Preferably with a sharp point. If you were willing to take a crossbow bolt and keep fighting, the man w/ the sword was always the likely victor in a face-to-face engagement. Soon everyone carried a sword, because it was affordable, but also because it was necessary.
No longer could a man with some chain mail or plate armor run you down, with little or no risk to his own personal safety. This tells me we will be developing anti-drone tech very shortly, here in North America.
Yeah, I'm working on a home made plasma-laser-gun thingy just for that!
HERF.
Yeah but mine has a 100 power scope on it
And I'm getting it Cerakoted (in sniper grey) too!
http://hacknmod.com/hack/diy-electromagnetic-herf-gun-project/
Those high power wide angle green lasers work wonders.
Really pisses them off.
Feel free to elaborate.
http://www.wickedlasers.com
I'd figure out a way to mount it to a spotting scope or telescope on a tripod.
Watch pretty much any protest videos over the last five years. The lasers are used to blind officers, spot snipers, and point out other targets.
A sword is a sidearm. Like a pistol. It wasn't the main weapon. The main weapon would have been a spear or other pole arm, or a bow; crossbow or longbow. Point being to get the other guy before he could reach you. And yes swords were banned for your ordinary pleb. Which is why they carried knives instead:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcLcsvw8rw0
I've read the paper, as well as a number of others, published as a collection in Crypto-Anarchy, Cyberstates, and Pirate Utopias edited by Peter Ludlow. Certainly fascinating stuff. It is, however, published by DARPA-affiliated MIT, who publishes a lot of literature both cheering and jeering the "establishment." Still curious.
In short, crypto-anarchy may very well be humanity's "best bet" at this point, but in a post-Quantum world, the most modern of cryptography is fucked. Something to consider.
And while we're taking all this into consideration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLqrVCi3l6E
Could you say that again..only slower?
" crypto anarchy"? What the hell is that?
I think that's 'too lazy to get off your fat ass' and get in the real fight.
Don't want anything that resembles a paper cut.
Seriously dude, you're on the internet ffs.. Do a search...
Remember there are other (cheaper) ways already in existance to have a LEGAL unserialized gun.
Example- I helped my brother build an AR-based rifle chambered in .308 (7.62mm) NATO this past summer. Only the lower is serialized in an AR-style weapon. But you can buy what's called an "80% lower", meaning it's not fully finished and ready for use in a weapon. And so, as far as the ATF is concerned, it's just a chunk of metal. You can buy it, ship it, no registration involved, no need to pick it up from a licensed gun dealer.
They come with instructions and templates that you use to finish the unit yourself. You need nothing more complicated than a drill press and a room temperature IQ to complete the machining. The rest of the parts are readily available.
And let me tell you, with a heavy barrel, comp trigger, 14x scope and some tuning it is ONE SWEET FUCKING GUN. Even I can shoot 8" groupings at 200 yds., and I royally suck anywhere past ~100. Reliability is excellent, having only one issue in the first 300 rounds (stove-piped one).
Total tab: just north of $1100.
YES, YOU CAN BUILD THIS!
Thank you!
And nice work
Makes me wanna go back out to the range again today
But most people (even the gun nuts I see at the range) have no idea how their gun even works and much less the skill to build one.
Anyone who wears the title "gun nut" should know how the damn thing works by definition. JFC, they're pretty simple machines.
BTW If you can't build an AR - you probably shouldn't be trusted to own one.
Got a nice anderson lower for 48 bucks . Gona do it brass plated with walnut grip and stock, look nice with my 1851 navy. My winter project
8 inch groups, dude you should be sub 2 and approaching one. get some sand bags and litten up up on the coffee...
Trigger is 50% of accuracy.
Sight Alignment, sight picture, breath control, bone support.
But having a good trigger gets you there faster.
8" at 200 yards... This is a typo right.. I can do that with a .22 and a $2 garage sale scope probably with irons..
My 1921 Savage NRA Match .22 can do 2" groups at 200 yds.
I'm friggin' half blind and I can do 3" with the iron peeper.
I lightened a pretty light trigger but all in all Savage made a damn fine shooter back in the day.
You evidently have not been to Stockholm recently, downtown at night; looks like Morocco.
"Welcome to the The United Stasi of America. What is the nature of your visit? To be oppressed or surveilled? Stand over there for pillaging and RFID insertion."
An American, not US subject.
"...land of the sleeping and the home of the bleating..."
Don't worry about Erik the pussified Scandi, he will be wanting a gun so damn bad so soon..
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/1-in-4-swedish-women-will-b...
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/05/oslo-rape-wave-detailed-statis...
When the muzzies run out of girls Erik the castrati will do...
And you fellows are genuinely surprised when you're referred to as "gun nuts" by the rest of the world?
We live in Canada. We love our guns as much as any red-blooded American. We have muzzleloaders, rimfires, handguns, semi-automatic rifles and .338 Win Mag for those pesky items over 700 yards.
700 yards. That's whet I call reaching out and touching someone.
And lots of SKS, eh!
Although no way they're much good at 700 meters.
Which is why there's Mosin 91/30s!
"We live in Canada. We love our guns as much as any red-blooded American. "
I would bet that your pols, crats, and banksters love your guns as much as the ones here do.
An American, not US subject.
"Freedom can be measured against the attitudes of government towards gun freedom. The more opposed, the more tyranny they are shielding."
Ceding power and control to gubmint will eventually lead to madness, misery, mass murder. Every fucking time. Wake up.
Innovation ---> Liberation.
yeah cuz dee gubmint don't in'vate, jus suck dee life out da peeps...lessen you call new taxees in'vation...
Only carbon taxes.
Enjoy your sharia law Mr. Larssen.
Here's the issue: The 2nd amendment does not say that you can own a gun if you meet certain criteria, or as long as the gun has or does not have certain features or characteristics. Just as the 1st amendment does not say you have freedom of speech only if you are deemed a legitimate journalist. However, there is a method to address these and all issues while still remaining faithful to the constitution. It is a method that has been used numerous times in the past both successfully and unsuccessfully. It's called an amendment. Even though the amendment process is not easy, that in and of itself would not be a bar against one who has a morally or intellectually superior position or argument. What we have instead is people forcing their views on others against their with without the benefit of a open and honest public debate.
People are not born rebellious. They are made.
Rebels will eventually emerge due to progressively more constrictive rules.
The constitution does not say anything about guns, it only refers to 'arms'. http://www.blacks.worldfreemansociety.org/1/A/a-0088.jpg
Definitions matter to the fuckheads that find their way up to the top of the power structure, which is a big reason why their is so much sophism in politics and law.
http://www.blacks.worldfreemansociety.org/1/F/f-0496.jpg if you claim to have something tptb arbitrarilty call this, you fall under their regulation.
You could own a cannon at the time of the Revolution. You could raise and arm your own regiments as some did during the war. Basically, "arms" were guns, swords and cannon at the time. There were no limits and no one had to license, register, pass classes and get permits. The Brits would have loved that.
Thank you, thank you, thank you... and a large part of the US population is genuinely supporting the NRA argument that the more guns that are around the more mass shootings can be prevented. Selling a 3D gun printing machine might prevent further shootings. And don't forget: All in need should get an AK47 instead of food stamps, it might help too.
Name one genocide that was not preceeded by disarming the victims.
Fuck you and your hopolophobia, slave.
You compensate your lack of intellect by maximizing your arms at home and by insulting others. Kudos to you, you're king of the apes.
You on the other hand are a shining intellect devoid of facts or the ability to research them apparently. Your king of the internet dolts.
Thank you for your admission of defeat.
This is why the US are going down. Too many small-brained retards that apparently still live in the wild west.
That's lovable gun nuts to you
They hug their guns like you hug your kid
And their guns love them back by keeping them and their kids as free as can be
Slaves must never be allowed to be armed.
A firearm is a peice of emergency equipment.
Save your psychological projection for yourself.
( reply was to fuku. Site puke. )
Alright who gave me down votes? I don't want to inadvertently insult anyone in my reply
Best salesman since Tom Sawyer!
He takes a shitbox CNC and calls it a gun maker then sells a shitload.
And you fellows gave your guns to the oligarchs centuries ago and wonder why they've marched across your continent, murdering hundreds of millions in their political games, in the last century.
The common man in the United States is armed, which is why he hasn't been put in camps and systematically murdered, and he never will be. Europeans have been disarmed and unable to defend themselves for centuries, and you're too dumb to know the joke's on you. What's worse, you celebrate your impotence to defend yourselves as some sort of virtue.
it is 'gun nutz' you ignorant totalitarian illiterate socialist statist running dog lacky of the man....
did I miss anything...?
"And you fellows are genuinely surprised when you're referred to as "gun nuts" by the rest of the world?"
Not suprised at all. Quite proud of the moniker in fact.
I suppose you fellows over there are quite suprised about that, huh?
No, we are genuinely surprised that everyone in the world actually think we give a crap about their stupid smug opinions.
Another one hit wonder who pops in for a comment and gives no useful rebuttal.
"And you fellows are genuinely surprised when you're referred to as "gun nuts" by the rest of the world?"
Key word is "mindless", Liang.
3D printed guns to combat those that print 2D fiat.
Primers, baby.
Just be sure to order your new printer over the internet and use a credit card so the NSA has an easier task in keeping track. Have a nice day:)
Cody Wilson accepts payment in Bitcoin. He is practitioner and preacher.
The Paki's can make a rifle barrel from hammered rebar.
'Mericans, not so much.'
At present, we don't need to. We can buy 'em for $60.
http://www.keepshooting.com/ak-47-barrel.html
"The Paki's can make a rifle barrel from hammered rebar."
And it shoots like it rebar as well.
Why would I have a problem letting the Government already know what they already know?
Say hello to the real USA Patriot Act apparently.
I bought cold war surplus mill and lathe many years ago for cheap. A bit of overhaul and tuning and they are good as new, not as fancy as CNC toys but I can add CNC if I wish. The only thing I lack is a rifling engine and I recently found the plans for a sine bar rifling machine. there are many thousands of machine tools sitting in hobbyists garages everywhere...molon labe.
Can you print something in .308 like a FAL? Nobody wants no god dammed mouse guns.
You can get AR-10 lowers which are .308.
Better, but they still break if you step on them.
Buy a Garand or an M-1/M-14. They can be built too but require a machine shop and skills. There is also the AK-47 route. As for being delicate the M-16 is tougher than you think. I've had a lot of time with them and their big problem is the gas impingement system which really craps things up, plus the close tolerances which also increase maintenence.
Oh and as public service reminder, Col Stant says save that brass , save your ass