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Mapping Execution Risk In America
Ranking 5th in the world for 'executions', as we noted previously, the US is among proud executing-nations like Iran, Saudi Arabia, and China. But when we drill down, there are a handful of states that are carrying the 'execution' weight for the rest of America as they try to reach #1 in the world (even as fewer Americans support the death penalty)...
And how that has evolved in the last 30 years...
h/t @ConradHackett via Pew Research
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Yeah, but we do it all humanitarian-like. We inject you with something that might take a second dose to do the job.
There is no other nation that is killing in such a long and barbaric manner. Cocktails of poison, where people must watch how the poison is injected. How sick is that? And waiting dozens of years. Always with some hope and then the hope destroyed. The ISIS beheadings (if not fake) are more humane than what USrael does!
If humanity would play a role, can anybody tell my, why carbon monoxide is not used?
And why the hell is it also not used to redeem sick and dying animals?!?
I have the awful suspicion that it's all about making money. Carbon monoxide costs nothing, can easily be applied and it is so gentle, that people and animals don't even recognize it. People just fall asleep and never wake up again.
Because Americans think they are a kind, generous, and giving people but when you take the plastic veneer off you find some really ugly $hit and really quick too.
No problem with executing those who have it coming from this corner.
This is a depressing topic.
Changing the subject, what's up with these "Find a Travel Companion!" matchmaking sites? Is it a new way for prostitutes to find johns for week-long gigs?
The risk of execution anywhere in America is exactly and precisely zero unless you deliberately murder somebody.
Well, I knew the gun was loaded, but I didn't think he'd kill
Then everything exploded and the blood began to spill!
The decision of a death sentence should be done by the victim in the way that a will is done.
Each person would file their decision on whether or not their (convicted) murderer would be executed. Mine would be death - no doubts whatsoever - to remove their genes from the gene pool. Obviously, others would choose differently.
An individual's choice is the just solution, not a stupid blanket decision by government that once again pits one group against another.
Risk of execution?
I guess this is for convicted murderers. No risk for me!
When I think of high risk of execution, New York should be bold red because the NYPD kills its citizens all of the time.
Wasn't New York starting to execute 3rd time offenders of those caught with extra large fountain drinks?
You have internet if you are posting.
How about using it to inform yourself about the judicial system a bit. For example on what "facts" verdicts are based?
On one hand you believe everything was faked, but when it comes to killing other people in the name of the law, then suddenly you become the worst ignorant and the system works perfectly. Why is that? Is it the nastyness of the petit-bourgeois person?
petit-bourgeois?
I was told there would be no French.
No, it isn't. An innocent man was executed in Texas in the last ten years.
It wasn't him, so he gives a sh.t.
Just like Jamie Dimon. But somehow he doesn't like what Jamie does and likes it, if the state kills innocent people.
And of course the US military has 'executed' hundreds of thousands of innocents overseas.
Studies I've seen suggest a miss rate of 10%, at least 10% of the executed are innocent.
There should be severe, and I do mean severe penalties for a prosecutor who convicts an innocent person.
Because obviously the American judicial system hasn't made a single mistake in identifying the perpetrator of a crime. Ever.
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Avoid traveling in Illinois then. And any other state where TPTB have turned murder convictions into fiction writing contests.
Does the District of Columbia get the tally for all of the drone executions?
"No problem with executing those who have it coming from this corner."
I agree with you except for this. If there is even the slightest chance of an innocent being executed then all executions should be stopped until we can confirm 100% that an innocent will never be executed.
Can you say for sure that will never happen?
Just like Jason at the end of Friday the 13th.... Please don't pull the mask off Yellen... I mean Jason's mom.......GHUF... Acronym
"Ugly shit" can be found "really quick" among the people of any country on Earth.
America has not cornered the market on that clumsy descriptor by any means.
But other countries do not claim to be exceptional and are so arrogant to believe to have the right to teach others lessons about moral, ethic or political principles!
The vast majority of Americans couldn't possibly care less about "teaching" the rest of the world anything.
We really do not give one shit about you and your ignorant lectures.
We just feel blessed to live here, want to be left alone and thank God we don't live among about 90% of the rest of the world, which are comparatively, shitholes.
And therefore you are dropping bombs all the time on other countries and creating coup'd etats?
Maybe the problem is YOUR ignorance about what cour country does?
Jesus Henry Christ. The vast majority of Americans pay little to no attention to what's actually going on in the rest of the world, and the only time they are roused from their slumber to pay attention, it's to drop bombs and spread "freedom and democracy" by way of incineration.
I weep for the ignorance of my fellow Americans, because the only time they give a shit about the rest of the world is when their hypocrisy is pointed out or their exceptionalism is called into question. Thanks for exemplifying every fucking annoying trait of our culture.
Just another smug, vastly ignorant, pedestrian "'progressive", whose main enjoyment in living in the United States is in deploying a puerile, superior condescension.
Ultimately you are not even annoying in your wholly ineffectual self-righteousness, just consummately and dismally boring.
Well that's a lot of wordy bullshit considering you accused me of being condescending.
It's also the height of hilarity that you accuse me of being a "progressive" — because as everyone knows, distrust of the State positively screams "progressive." Or not...
I didn't think His middle name was Henry.
I thought it was Hallelujia!
You are the reason why the rest of the world hates our guts. Loser. You're an ignorant ass that probably gets a huge boner every time the F-18's fly over the stadium.
Yeah, why not just cut their head off? Putting them to sleep after giving them an injection to sedate them is so barbaric. A quick knife across the neck or a firing squad or a gallous would be so much more humane. Maybe the same way abortions are carried out but outside the womb would make it better. Why not, wouldn't that be politically correct?
You seem to be not informed, how your "humane" killing was going wrong!
But I suspect, since you could never come into this situation, because you are such a decent person, it's ok if others are treated that way?
I was actually being sarcastic. I am totally in favor of putting convicted murderers to death in the same exact way they killed their victims.
I also find it ironic that so many people who are in favor of abortion are opposed to capital punishment.
1000 thumbs up.
Consistent thinking, please !
The same tree hugging, baby killing crowd cares more about bird eggs and briny shrimp !
Not at all consistent, only old testamentarian Jewish thinking.
Reproducing a crime, even awful barbaric killing, commited by the state as model for punishment. Sadistic mind. How sick is that.
And let's see, if you recognize a difference, if someone would kill your father by torturing him to death as your beloved form of capital punishment, if he was convinced of that crime, or if he was just humanely killed quickly.
If someone would otrture you to death, then you would understand the difference between humane killing and your sick and sadist "consistent thinking".
Wow, the statist trolls are really out tonight. Wonder how they will feel when they end up on the wrong end of our railroad-you-into-prison system.
Anyway, CO is probably not as easy a way to go as you're portraying it, but there are other options that would be. And guillotine would be far more humane than our science-experiment-gone-wrong crap. Or we could just join the rest of the civilized world and abolish government executions. Look at which countries around the world still execute people and you don't want to be grouped with any of them.
I was a strong supporter of death penalty until I recognized how awfully founded verdicts can be. The problem with the death penality is, that it can't be undone.
Additionally even the most awful subhumans can be used in a productive manner for the community - forced labor for example.
Regarding CO: it is such a wonderful substance to kill somebody, that every year many people die, because of today's very airtight new windows.
Even people that enter the room to help, just don't recognize how they are in danger, become unconsciousness and die, too.
Inhalating CO via a mask: you don't even recognize that you don't breath normal air anymore.
And it is heavier than air. Therefore it would be extremely easy to kill animals. Just place them in a box, it could even be open at the top, and while you stroke your dog or cat, it simply would fall asleep. This could even be done by veterinarians at home. No stress.
And ofcourse also for humans. Thanks to drugs today there is no need to have pain anymore because of illness. And when things become hopeless, people could die freely and peacefully at home among their beloved ones with a smile. Just putting up the mask and turning up the CO-bottle.
Why is this not done? Why do we come to miserable ends in hospitals?!?
Because no one can make serious money from carbon monoxide. A drug cocktail, on the other hand, makes buttloads of cash for the people who buy off lawmakers in order to allow them to sell it.
This is America. Did you forget we're dealing with quasi-fascism?
It really seems so, because so far I could findno argument on the net - and also not in this discussion - against CO. And such a regime is talking all the time about humanity? Can such a hypocrisy be topped?
I still am a strong supporter of the death penalty.
We need to expand the parameters, reduce wait times, reduce execution costs.
Pedophilia is internationally recognized by the medical community as "incurable".
Kill them the day after the guilty verdict.
Until using them "for the community" is NOT against their civil rights, or considered cruel and unusual punishment, they are just a liability.
An expensive, liability.
Demanding the shortening of the waiting time and a humane method of execution at least shows not a sadist and retarded mind.
But no matter how quick and humane: if the executed one is innocent it is nothing else but murder. Now you can say: ok, that's the risk we have to live with. But you have internet. And you have all the information how verdicts are made available at your fingertips. Now if you support capital punishment and you know the huge amount of false verdicts everywhere, probably because it's a totally rotten society and many people are not doing their duty anymore, then you are an ignorant that gives a sh.t, if innocent people are killed. And now tell me, what is the difference to the criminal, who also gives a sh.t, if he hurts innocent people?
The ONLY difference is, which is a big difference, is the criminal is doing it - but mentally you are thinking like a criminal.
And it's also a lie that prisons have to cost so much. It would be easily possible to setup a system where the inmates work hard for the society, that costs nothing but brings money, and where a normal civilized social order is enforced and in case a wrong verdict is discovered, and a normal innocent person was imprisoned, the mistake can be corrected.
This jewfified systems even turns small criminals in prisons into severe criminal experts, so it is a double strike against innocent people imprisoned.
Prisons should be places where the rule of law is strictly enforced. In the jewified system prisons are the places where the most crimes happen.
The Jew hater accusing others of a "retarded mind".....classic.
An the day after the day after it is found a mistake was made and they were actually innocent. What then? This is the only problem I have with capital punishment.
....the case CLOSES upon execution.
"You can only delay punishment for so long, for folks." Banak obama,
Don't mess with Texas. Don't mess around there either.
Fuck yeah Texas! A state so hardcore they are going to execute everyone with Ebola, just in case you MIGHT comit a crime at some later point. Its a whole new level of precrime justice. Fuck yeah 'Merika. Fuck yeah.
As Ron White says. "Everyone else if second guessing the death penalty. In my state we are putting in an express lane"
I think all crimes should be punishable by death. Speeding ticket? Youre putting other people at risk <BANG> call the tow truck, then call the family. Dodging the IRS? <BANG>! No seat belt? Fuck your ID <BANG> wear your seat belt next time, evil doer! Behind on child support? <BANG> Driving while expired? <BANG> Jaywalking? <BANG> Sleeping on the sidewalk? <BANG MUTHAFUKA!> Begging for monies to buy food/booze? <BANG!> <BANG BANG BANG BANG!>
Death, murder, cruel and unusual punishment and pre crime is going to save 'Merika! Shoot and kill all your problems, before its too late!
"If you kill someone in Texas, we kill you back."
Isn't Texas stolen land?
I am not comfortable with the state killing people, but very comfortable with people defending themselves with deadly force.
I guess this is just one more time where disintermediation is the better way.
Not to defend the state but what if the person could not defend themself against the stronger? Wouldn't you step in to defend the weak?
I'm not the least bit interested in feeding, clothing, housing, medically treating etc. for the rest of their life when they callously took the life of another for profit or evil.
Yes. I hope that I would step in. The State killing people after the capital crime is not defending the weak victim, it is trying to prevent further crimes by the perp, and provide a disincentive to keep others from committing a crime. The problems are that we don't have public execution in the town squares anymore, nor do we have speedy trials, and too many people are making too much money on the criminal justice system.
No, I am also not interested in prolonged incarceration, as I believe it is cruel and unusual punishment.
I have.
And this not an attempt to denigrate your position AT ALL...(I understand it) so I hope everyone understands that point...but what does those who oppose capital punishment propose to do with murderers besides house them until they die?
Much shorter sentences, and work their fucking asses off in prison so that they never want to go back. Get some roads built so we don't have to pay so many tolls and taxes.
I'll pass on the cruel & unusual punishment, some of the filming for Cool Hand Luke was in Fla ;-)
Hard work that is productive isn't cruel for a man or woman that has something to atone for, in my humble opinion. Also, consider that there are non-convict workers doing those same jobs to earn a living.
Sitting in a cell for 20 to life and sucking off the taxpayer is cruel for both the criminal and society.
Why don't we just compromise and have them bust their asses building roads and tunnels for 10 years and then kill em?
I believe that the Russians and others have tried that, but they found people would work harder when they thought they might survive.
That's the best part. You tell them that if they complete such and such tasks they will be up for parole. Then they get 5 more years of tasks and if they complete them they will be freed. Then when that 5 years is up you take a picture of them with a fake beach in the background and then kill em and show the other prisoners the picture.
The families of the prisoners get hip pretty quickly. One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich is an amazing book. Give it a try.
Fine but I think I just gave the perfect blueprint for what should be done.
Well, I don't know about that (in my opinion of course). "Free" hard labor can become an incentive for a corrupt state apparatus to procure more free labor.
Something to think about, as the judge gives him a year to atone ;-)
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Anyways, peace HH, we just disagree on this. We can disagree without being disagreeable.
Why not have that "free" hard labor apply directly to the benefit of the person actually offended, rather than the State?
Well number one is, the person offended against is dead, we're talking murderers here so there is no direct benefit they can ever recieve from the convicted's labor. So really its skating close to being an indentured servant to the family left behind, not the one murdered.
Secondly, I think that while forced labor can be of benefit for lesser crimes (they can learn a trade from it, they can help defray the cost of their own incarceration with it etc.) we as a society should be wary that the labor not be abused by people in power to profit themselves or their connected cronies.
We don't ever want to get into a situation where a judge weighs the profitability of forced free labor against someones freedom...but having put that qualifier out there...I don't have a problem with forced labor for lesser crimes than first degree murder.
Curveball: Must you kill to deserve the death penalty? We have seen some photos (try rightwingnews.com but they might be elsewhere) of a muslim "man" kicking a baby. The first pic looks possibly fake, but the second and especially third sure look like this "man" is kicking a baby (less than one year old). Why? Because the parents would not convert to islam.
I don't care who kills child molesters. As long as they are dead it's all good.
Sadly, child molestation is not a capital offense, as judged by the state.
As judged by a father? Well, that is a different story...
Don't forget kiddy porn is the gateway for rogue agents to accuse those whom they would destroy. My guess is that most of ZH has had a few questionable photos loaded onto their drives.
Just cross the wrong people and suddenly you are a horrible person.
I simply do not trust ciops or judges and certainly not anyone in a system where your career is bulit on busts and convictions rather than judgment. My guess is that most kiddy porn cases are fixed. Molestation..not so sure. Remember all the day care center abuse cases and 'supressed memory' shit. Turned out to be BS and overzealous prosecuters.
Not being naive here I know shit happens,...just unsure how often.
Crimes nowdays are down but our access to info about crime is way up.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-...
39 ex's in US in 2013.
Only 6% of total Justifiable Homicides of 2010.
Leave it up to the cops and public to do the dirty work. Can we get a tax refund(bounty) for the crooks we kill? The state's not doing it's job anymore. Too busy raising more Saint Trayvons.
Lets ask the murder victims & families how they feel about this.
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Thats the thing though isn't it?
Comparing nations where executions are completely routine for political or cultural or ethnic or any other reason besides the fact they killed out of lust or malice or greed etc. is a fallacious comparison.
Sometimes, after studying the rabid dog for many years, even the most caring dog lovers come to the conclusion that it can't be allowed to run free as it wishes and putting it down is best for other dogs and people.
Its just that simple.
Who among us would not have pulled the switch on Ted Bundy if given the opportunity? I went to the same school as one of his victims, its better someone else does it than me.
Death to: counterfeiters, child molesters and looters.
So bankers, politicians and coppers?
The puzzle is to get them to stop. We use pyramids where I come from. Anyone or thing caught with over 10,000,000 gets taken to one of the 12 public sacrificial pyramids whereupon we hold celebrations. We rarely have any celebrations these days.
Praise the Lords of Kobol
In China and Viet Nam, they shoot banksters.
In some other places they shoot them with nail guns.
Very acceptable practice.
If those graphics were bankster executions, the US economy would dominate the world and we would be top on the list of economic freedom - instead of 30th trailing Lithuania - or whatever.
Why settle for justice when you can have revenge?
Still not enough.
They should add the 5,000 summary executions that the police have taken upon themselves to hand out since 2001.
This topic sure is tricky for many anti-government types on here.
On one hand, the government is always bad. On the other hand, (enter moronic argument about victims families, eye for an eye, deterring crime, or the brilliant... some people just deserve to die..... here) . Oh and I know many on here could never resist the chance to "justifiably" kill a brown or black man.
Like I said, tricky.
Texas:
You kill someone.
We'll kill you back.
Works for me.
Unless you are a cop and a suspect shoots themseles in the back of the head while hand cuffed, then you get paid vacation. Or if you are a cop and yell "He's coming right at me!" Then unload a magazine into him, just because paperwork and reading and writing is hard. Murder is easier. ANd you wont be executed by the State, youll get a vacation at taxpayer expense.
Or one day the "eye witness" picks you out of a line up even though you weren't there. But it doesn't matter because you are a MURDERER! No one will listen and the jury convicts because of the graphic nature of the crime someone has to die.
Me too.
Unless that someone just robbed your neighbor's house and is running away.
Or how about the executions of foreign nationals on their own soil. Who wins that category? Hands down.
Let's go with executions of US citizen minors on foreign soil ...
Utterly baffles me how the people who yell and scream about 'freedom' support a state-sanctioned and administered death penalty. It is sexist (males are sentenced are rates almost unheard for the exact same crimes compared to females), racist (even if you control for other factors blacks are sentenced at higher rates for the exact same crime), ageist (old people who commit horrible atrocities are almost never sentenced to the death penalty), and not applied evenly either on a geographic or SES basis in the US.
It wasn't until '02 that we decided it probably wasn't a good idea to execute mentally retarded people (Atkins v. Virginia) and '05 that executing children wasn't probably a good thing either (Roper v. Simmons).
When the Illinois state reviewed the roughly 300 cases on since '77 for inmates who were on Death Row or had been executed (12 total):
It is basically estimated that at least 3-5% of all Death Row inmates are completely innocent and possibly much higher. What does the state say when it deprives this innocent person of their lies? Whoops, sorry, our bad.
Thumbs up!!!
There are 18 people who have been exonerated after being wrongly convicted and on death row. If it were just one it would be too many. The system is flawed and the state shouldn't be in the business of murdering people!
http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/The_Innocent_and_the_Death_Penal...
Murder and Killing are not the same thing
I never said it was. I just don't think the state has that right so I consider murder.
Wow so apparently someone on here thinks that not executing children and mentally-retarded people is a bad thing. There is certainly a decent minority here that if they are everywhere near what their online personas are at best severe misanthropes with real psychological problems and at worst time bombs that will go off at some point.
Tick tock....
Given all of the constant violence you express on here, how many times have you beat your wife/ex-wife or kids? Research on people who post online in your manner and style have some serious psychological issues:
http://news.yahoo.com/sadist-behind-screen-internet-troll-personality-14...
When they find out about the wife and kids, I hope you will be on my jury. I will be home free.
I'll just take that as a 'yes' then.
Hell yeah! Give them all freedom! Gotta love the insanity!
I can take care of my own. Have fun with them.
Innocent people who didn't committ a crime? Yeah and I figured you would make this kind of assisine comment. Interesting yet horrifying to live in a society with your seriously warped sense of values and rules.
Big deal. The murderers are far more dangerous.
"3 to 5% of death row inmates are innocent"
Okay, now show us the sheet of prior arrests and convictions of them innocents. There ain't no Boy Scouts on death row.
I'm posting to help you see an error in judgment to equate administrative transgressions with violent crime.
Using Illinois as an example? Maybe not the best choice (but not the worst either).
http://pols.uic.edu/political-science/chicago-politics/anti-corruption-r...
Now if the system is corrupt to begin with, how can we expect what you state above not to happen?
Some things to think about:
We rank #1 in giving rapists and murderers 2nd, 3rd, 4th chances before they finally get their one way trip to San Diego.
And we are #1 in the amount we pay defending criminals. Murder cases with appeals often costs millions, x15,000 murders/yr USA -- so we're talking real money.
And if we ran the criminal justice system the way Obamacare is run -- there would be no trials. A bunch of bureaucrats in DC would decide what sentences should be based on past offenses, behavior and statistical outcomes and how much they're worth to society -- which is less than zero for most because their 'Lifework' contribution over their lifetime of destruction is about another (-) $2 million USD each. Criminal lawyers and judges would become obsolete like doctors, and we'd save a lot of money. For the greater good. Who needs to live past 75 yrs anyway (ala Ezekiel Emanual).
So why do we have two sets of standards for life and death? One for law abiding and one for criminals? If we are going to kill law abiding citizens under Obamacare by denying treatment based on their usefulness why do we fret about doing such things to violent criminals?
You know the answer... the vast majority of violent criminals are ethnically protected and members of the liberal class. We know this because the liberals have been trying to get criminals the vote for years, so they run cover for them at all costs.
....lotta sarc in there, sort it out
Any stats to back up this rant?
- More than 95% of cases in the US are plea-bargained and that includes a majority of felony offenses including murder
- Sentences for felony crimes were at the federal level were largely standardized in '86 and many states have followed suit with strong minimum sentences for felonies and it removed a large degree of the variations in sentencing.
- Obamacare has nothing to do with Medicare determination or provision of care by providers and I am sure you would rant about 'death pools' or other complete nonsense.
Yes. I don't think anyone rational has a problem with executing admitted, bragging criminals. The discussion should be about innocents unjustly sentenced. The writing is on the wall: we cannot trust the courts to deliver infallible judgents and dispense such a final solution.
Make my day.
There is no execution risk if you aren't a murderer.
Well, maybe in my father's America...now I fear we are rushing towards a Chekist future. Check it out if you haven't seen it. Very powerful movie.
An innocent man was executed in Texas in the last ten years.
Let me get this straight. An innocent man is executed. I am trying to find words for this.
The question is this, plain and simple.
How many people die every day, and how many innocent people die every day?
When you can answer that, then we are making progress.
Problem solving 101 is quite clear on this. You always go for the low hanging fruit first. This is something you learn in any industry. Let's say you produce 10,000 widgets. 500 of them fail for something easy to fix by merely a small procedural change in their manufacture. Another 50 fail for something that requires lengthy analysis and a lot of time and money do correct the problem. Finally 3 fail for reasons unknown...
Through the course of my life, liberals will try to figure out why the 3 are failing, and pour an enormous amount of time, money, and effort into this, all the while ignoring the bigger problems.
This is all too easy to document. Take automobile pollution. Now how many automobiles does it take to produce the same amount of pollution spewed by a single ocean-going cargo carrier. And yet which problem is trying to be solved, and which is ignored?
In a perfect world, no innocent man would be executed for a crime he did not commit. But we don't live in a perfect world, do we?
Now get off my lawn...
It is immoral and despicable to advocate for state-sponsored murder. You and i both know how incompetent all branches of government are. We cannot, with a clear conscience, allow them the freedom to execute when the chance of killing an innocent is so great.
It is doubly despicable to support such a policy when high-security incarceration in the US has an almost flawless record.
Please sit there and think about it.
sometimes I wonder how they are going to execute me in the fema re-education camp.
probly as I try my escape. hope to take a few of them out along the way
? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Escape?! LOL! Only fucking way I'd even be in campfema is if they were taking my dead body there to bury. If there is one thing I've learned in history is this:
Never enroll in an all inclusive summer camp when Facists run your Gubmint.
Who the fuck does not support the death penality? Should we pay taxes for these fucks to live out their life watching TV and anal raping each other? The death penality is the ultimate "eye for an eye". We can blow up innocent brown people in the ME, but god forbid we put a phycho killer to death.
Heinlein wrote a short story, Coventry.
I haven't read any of his Future History stories in decades. Maybe it's about time I did.
Oh please....spare me. Last I counted, more people have been killed "legally", as of late, than by any other means. You folks get all worked up about being able to kill some fucking rapist or some guy that raped and killed someone. Should they be executed? Well sure, I dont give no fucks. If there is a fair trail in accordance to residing local and applicable laws, so be it.
However, when was the last time you guys ever went out and about and screamed for the heads of some cocksuckers that kill 100,000 people? 200,000 people? 1,000,000 or more people?!?! Fucking justifiable homicide is what humans call it. What is our baseline of measurment here for evil? What is the sociatal stick Im supposed to be using for this shit? Im supposed to be happy that there is "some" justice being handed out because, ultimately there is no justice? Is that it? Are lies that lead to millions of deaths less of a crime, as punishable by death compared to say hitting and killing someone with your car because you were texting? Just an honest question.
First dbl pst.
I didn't realize we had so many statist on here with such a strong trust in the government.
What happens when that same government you so blindly trust in decides the death penalty should apply to those who speak out against them? Or to those who refuse to pay taxes?
I am not for the death penalty. Just one wrongly convicted and executed individual is one too many.
It should be used sparingly -about 90% were uncalled for and unfair and the death penalty should not have been sought. I was a prosecutor for 8 years in New orleans and dallas. Many totally innocent people in Texas were executed. Many more are suspect and can't be disproven by DNA. I remember the First Assistant in dallas bragging how it's easy to convict a guilty man -It's the innocent ones who are a challenge. Too many unscrupulous police, prosecutors and politicians who use it for political purposes. State experts lie and make up voodoo style expert opinions and conclusions. Guilty parties roll over on the innocent or less culpable. Witnesses lie and are coaxed to lie in photo lineups. I never trusted photo lineups. People look so different from the pictures they put in front of witnesses. I had several people picked out of phto lineups and charged with serious crimes -proven beyond any doubt to be innocent. Cops fabricate evidence and rationalize it, thinking they probably did it any way. Death is too dependent on what jurisdiction you are tried in -the race of the jury pool, the quality or plain luck of the draw of particular juries. Confessions are often bogus and coerced. many people are convicted and die on the testimony of one witness -often totally unreliable. People are convicted on circumstantial evidence which strongly suggest guilt, but is not at all conclusive or determinative. I support the death penalty, but only for the most egregious and serious crimes, where the evidence leaves no doubt. That rules out about 90% of the cases for which people have been sentenced to death. I would rather that 100 criminals get life in prison rather than one innocent man die.
Sadly, many of those 100 spared will get out on early release somehow, someway.
Call it compassion, whatever.
In my neck of the woods, we have had a rash of prior convicts that were released murdering elderly and the like.
Everyone is asking....why are they out? How many do you have to kill to get killed?
Since "life" does not mean one's entire life in the legal sense, and you lawyers cannot seem to make words mean what they are supposed to mean......I'll keep the death penalty on the books, thanks.
In a vote my vote would cancel yours. That one person that died due to a mistake , is a lot less than the number of people that died or suffered due to a Criminal that gets released.
Lawyers will always take the same line as You ....it's how you make so much money, and getting a criminal off even if you know they were guilty......How does that make you feel, with the lobster and Steak going down your Pie Hole?
That philosophy confuses punishment with protection.
We get no benefit from punishing people who deserveto be punished. We benefit greatly from protecting the innocent.
I hope that you who sit there will cure or at least control your irrational proclivities towards revenge
I would rather 100 criminals go free, than one innocent man be wrongly convicted.
What does 45 million dollars in lobbying get you?
A decade ago, more than 3,300 criminal immigrants were sent to private prisons under two 10-year contracts the Federal Bureau of Prisons signed with CCA worth $760 million. Now, the agency is paying the private companies $5.1 billion to hold more than 23,000 criminal immigrants through 13 contracts of varying lengths.
Various lobby groups are also trying to get legislation passed to lengthen sentences for non-violent crimes.
Yep, best democracy money can buy at taxpayers expense.
Have you heard the latest conspiracy theory? It seems that ebola finding its way specifically to Texas was no coincidence. Apparently someone in charge feels like it's time to thin the herd of meatheads, and what better place to start than ground zero.
It would take a genuine psychopath to let that happen. Unfortunately Americans elected 537 psychopaths to rule from the swamp called the District of Columbia.
Notice that the states with the least executions have the most gay marriage.
Gotta protect fellow perverts.
Homaphobic? These two items have nothing to do with each other.
Preperation H might help you,, Brush your teeth at least twice a day with it. Please.
Watch murders skyrocket in those blue states when the gay divorces ramp up.
The most violently contested joint property will be the wardrobe.
What could go wrong? There's so much accuracy and efficiency of the bureaucrats and enforcers with Ebola. I'm confident they could never murder innocent citizens (sarc)
Prison is a relatively new concept in the long history of humanity.
Ancients meted out severe, immediate punishment.
With no legal technicalities.
Just think...no prison-industrial complex.
An eye for an eye does not make the world blind.
The removal of an offender's eye causes others (who still have two eyes) to think twice about taking out another's innocent eyeball.
Many countries in Asia have this down to a science. Hence, you can have cities with millions of people....yet an actual murder count lower than a city a small fraction of its size in the west.
Liberals love coddling criminals. They need someone to "save", even degenerates.
Having had relatives assaulted, murdered and terrorized over the years.....I don't give a fuck. Let them fry.
If the death penalty was not useful, criminals would not rat out their own mother's to get out of it.
If you murder someone, you deserve to be executed.
There's bleeding hearts that don't believe that, but I want to see how they feel when a loved one has been murdered by some thug and the ACLU is screaming they should be released so they can do a book tour about how racist America is.
Most people don't have a problem killing killers, the problem is with the "justice system" convicting innocent people. The governor of Michigan abolished the death penalty when over half of the people on death row were found to be innocent and were released. One was saved only 2 months before his scheduled execution.
There is something VERY wrong with the system when things have gotten this bad.
Would you want a loved one of yours to be executed for a crime they didn't commit?
One must not support the death penalty under the pretense of dissuasion until executions are public and broadcast for all to see. There is no deterrant when they happen in secret.
I am sure even the most vegement cheerleaders will agree with me.
'....wait a few years until they factor in the armed drones.
I am sure that New York and in particular Wall Street will one day catch up.
I am a Canadian and we have some people in prison that I would push the switch to end their life. I believe in the death penalty................not for all.......but some people prove time and again they do not have the right to live in society.
Bleeding hearts cry so much that we all suffer do to criminals that have no conscience and will never get on in Prison./
Why there nations can exists without the emergency switch of death sentences.
Is not unveil the accelerating graph the dependency of murder and social relations.
The social relations in a nation infamous for her tendency to kill what doesn't fit.
What doesn't match the honorable gen pool has a flag, drums, drones, a president and some kind of music to teach the world we are the number one in the business.
Death penalty?
"A 560-pound sex offender who was convicted of rape is livid with the medical center he is staying at free of charge over their food offerings. Kenneth Harvey, 58, lives at the Peninsula Center for Extended Care and Rehabilitation inQueens, New York, and is hoping a lawyer will help him sue over the horrible food and bad bed he has been provided with, among other things. Harvey, who was convicted of first-degree attempted rape in 1994, does not pay for his stay at the center, with taxpayers picking up the bill."
You will love his picture. I rest my case.
That ungrateful bastard. Lethal injection for him and his lawyer!!!
Why is this news?
It's like: Give a criminal a gun and he will rob a bank; but give a criminal a bank and he will rob the world.
Those that seriously should be executed will never be because they are either the puppets pulling the strings or the puppetmasters.
Corporate Prisons are one issue that I think should be addressed.
But I support the death penalty. support of big prisons != support of the death penalty.
How about a companion map showing Murder Risk by state??
To quote Ron White on executions in his home state of Texas: "If you come here and kill one of us, we're gonna kill you back!"
Sounds like justice to me.
for those whom are beyond reproach, erase them
life is difficult enough as it is without including those who just want to make life shittier for others
death penalty is very useful and a great deterrent