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Leon Panetta Says Brace For 30 Year War With ISIS
Submitted by Mike Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
"I vividly recall how, in the wake of Osama bin Laden’s killing, Obama partisans triumphantly declared that this would finally usher in the winding down of the War on Terror. On one superficial level, that view was understandable: it made sense if one assumes that the U.S. has been waging this war for its stated reasons and that it hopes to vanquish The Enemy and end the war.
But that is not, and never was, the purpose of the War on Terror. It was designed from the start to be endless.”
- Glenn Greenwald, in his latest piece for the Intercept
Leon Panetta is pretty much the epitome of a status quo insider. Someone, who due to his influence and mainstream veneer of respectability, is capable of inflicting an almost inconceivable amount of damage to freedom and prosperity in America. In fact, you could say that Mr. Panetta is as responsible as almost anyone else for the banana republic laughing stock that this nation has been transformed into over the past several decades. Why? Because he served in top positions for several of America’s Presidents over that time.
He started out working for Richard Nixon, before switching parties and serving nine terms as a Democratic Congressman from California. He then served the Clinton Administration, including as Chief of Staff. Most recently, he was head of the Department of Defense and the CIA under Obama. This is an extremely political animal.
His ties run deepest with the Clintons, and while he criticizes Obama heavily in his new book, he excitedly proclaims that Hilary Clinton would be “great president,” and that “one thing about the Clintons is, they want to get it done.”
I’m sure they do, but get what done exactly. In the case of of Bill Clinton, it was dismantling Glass Steagall, and fully turning over the entire U.S. economy and public policy to financial oligarchs.
Think I am exaggerating? In a recent USA Today interview, we can clearly see exactly what “getting it done” would mean during a Hilary Clinton Presidency: Endless War.
USA Today reports that:
“I think we’re looking at kind of a 30-year war,” he says, one that will have to extend beyond Islamic State to include emerging threats in Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and elsewhere.
In the book’s final chapter, however, he writes that Obama’s “most conspicuous weakness” is “a frustrating reticence to engage his opponents and rally support for his cause.” Too often, he “relies on the logic of a law professor rather than the passion of a leader.” On occasion, he “avoids the battle, complains, and misses opportunities.”
Yeah, well Hitler was a pretty passionate leader.

Back to USA Today…
Panetta also argues that there is time for Obama to change tactics and recover — and that it is imperative he do so.
He makes a similar observation about Hillary Clinton, saying she would be a “great” president. “One thing about the Clintons is, they want to get it done,” he says, in words that draw an implicit contrast with Obama. “When it comes to being president of the United States, it’s one thing to talk a good game. It’s another thing to deliver, to make things happen.”
“He may have found himself again with regards to this ISIS crisis. I hope that’s the case. And if he’s willing to roll up his sleeves and engage with Congress in taking on some of these other issues, as I said I think he can establish a very strong legacy as president. I think these next 2 1/2 years will tell us an awful lot about what history has to say about the Obama administration.”
Think about that deeply for a moment. He thinks Obama may have “found himself again with regards to this ISIS crisis.” This is quite telling, since what has characterized Obama’s ISIS policy, is him launching an illegal war that makes George W. Bush look like a constitutional scholar. According to Panetta, that decision characterizes Obama “finding himself.” Naturally, what appeals to Panetta most about Hilary Clinton is her bloodlust for more war. Glenn Greenwald chimes in:
Leon Panetta, the long-time Democratic Party operative who served as Obama’s Defense Secretary and CIA Director, said this week of Obama’s new bombing campaign: “I think we’re looking at kind of a 30-year war.” Only in America are new 30-year wars spoken of so casually, the way other countries speak of weather changes. He added that the war “will have to extend beyond Islamic State to include emerging threats in Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Libya and elsewhere.” And elsewhere: not just a new decades-long war with no temporal limits, but no geographic ones either. He criticized Obama – who has bombed 7 predominantly Muslim countries plus the Muslim minority in the Phillipines (almost double the number of countries Bush bombed) – for being insufficiently militaristic, despite the fact that Obama officials themselves have already instructed the public to think of The New War “in terms of years.”
Then we have Hillary Clinton (whom Panetta gushed would make a “great” president). At an event in Ottawa yesterday, she proclaimed that the fight against these “militants” will “be a long-term struggle” that should entail an “information war” as “well as an air war.” The new war, she said, is “essential” and the U.S. shies away from fighting it “at our peril.” Like Panetta (and most establishment Republicans), Clinton made clear in her book that virtually all of her disagreements with Obama’s foreign policy were the by-product of her view of Obama as insufficiently hawkish, militaristic and confrontational.
At this point, it is literally inconceivable to imagine the U.S. not at war. It would be shocking if that happened in our lifetime. U.S. officials are now all but openly saying this. “Endless War” is not dramatic rhetorical license but a precise description of America’s foreign policy.
Just yesterday, Bloomberg reported: “Led by Lockheed Martin Group (LTM), the biggest U.S. defense companies are trading at record prices as shareholders reap rewards from escalating military conflicts around the world.” Particularly exciting is that “investors see rising sales for makers of missiles, drones and other weapons as the U.S. hits Islamic State fighters in Syria and Iraq”; moreover, “the U.S. also is the biggest foreign military supplier to Israel, which waged a 50-day offensive against the Hamas Islamic movement in the Gaza Strip.” ISIS is using U.S.-made ammunition and weapons, which means U.S. weapons companies get to supply all sides of The New Endless War; can you blame investors for being so giddy?
I vividly recall how, in the wake of Osama bin Laden’s killing, Obama partisans triumphantly declared that this would finally usher in the winding down of the War on Terror. On one superficial level, that view was understandable: it made sense if one assumes that the U.S. has been waging this war for its stated reasons and that it hopes to vanquish The Enemy and end the war.
But that is not, and never was, the purpose of the War on Terror. It was designed from the start to be endless. Both Bush and Obama officials have explicitly said that the war will last at least a generation. The nature of the “war,” and the theories that have accompanied it, is that it has no discernible enemy and no identifiable limits. More significantly, this “war” fuels itself, provides its own inexhaustible purpose, as it is precisely the policies justified in the name of Stopping Terrorism that actually ensure its spread (note how Panetta said the new U.S. war would have to include Libya, presumably to fight against those empowered by the last U.S. war there just 3 years ago).
As I outlined in my post, The American Public: A Tough Soldier or a Chicken Hawk Cowering in a Cubicle? Some Thoughts on ISIS Intervention, as long as the citizenry remains in a fetal position praying for the return of a middle-class lifestyle that is not coming back without concerted effort and struggle, it will continue to be slaughtered like sheep and milked like cows.
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isis scares me not
there is no isis, only ebola
That poitical slime ball has helped make sure that ISIS will be a 30 year war.
Thank god we have a new long term boogeyman so we can shit taxpayer money at the MIC
Here's Leon's story:
https://medium.com/@NafeezAhmed/how-the-west-created-the-islamic-state-dbfa6f83bc1f
"emerging threats" ... f/o and die Leon
Panetta can be Cheney's bitch, in hell.
You just can’t make this stuff up!
Article starts by:
Leon Panetta Says Brace For 30 Year War
Then, it ends:
… praying for the return of a middle-class lifestyle …. to be slaughtered like sheep and milked like cows.
I don’t think we have 30 years… and sure it won’t be any cow left by then.
30 more years of war?! Awesome...that totally works for us. Thank you, banksters and puppet politicians.
Signed lovingly,
The M.I.C.
P.S. ~ Can we get a bunch of Falese Flags thrown in too just for shits and giggles?
Thanks again...XOXOXOXOXO
We gonna bring home a lot of Nobel Peace prizes.
Let's make it 30 for 30, bitchez!
The coffers of the MIC corporations need to be filled and the only thing that can do it is bombing brown people... I'm fucking sick of this shit....
How come all those places are filthy black with oil?
Stran, there you have it all in one sentence
Can't get more crony than ol' Leon.
Cronier than ISIS = Islam.
The sooner we all understand THIS the better.
ALL Muslims are "terrorists", or they don't understand the Koran.
Listen Isaura.
I for one am "TICKLED" by the thought that ISIL will be fighting the "GREAT" satan for the next 30 years.
If you are in USSA, unemployed, looking for something, anything, ISIL has rewards for you. How's that hope and change working out for you? Have you discovered the marketing ploy?
Check them out!
Gotta love the ISIL. Go boys! Kick some asses. Cut some Seal Team 6 throats!
According to Tony Wilson (and his fellow travelers) ISIS is just something occuring on a sound stage in Hollywood and in the foot hills of some desert in Nevada, fed to us through the interwebs & teevee.
Oh my goodness, who or what to believe ;-)
Listen.
Sounds like USSA lunar landing.
You don't need anything that complicated. You just send some guys out to find the most psycho radical groups you can find - which exist everywhere - and then give them lots of money and guns.
The reason there aren't hundreds of groups like Isis running around is usually groups like that are limited to about six dudes sitting in a basement. They only get bigger than that when some outside group gives them money and guns.
In Isis' case they were given money and guns by our staunch allies in the Gulf who wanted them to fight Assad in Syria.
And now after creating them for one purpose the **** neocons are using them for moar war.
Oh yes, before we forget:
http://nypost.com/2014/06/08/how-the-taliban-got-their-hands-on-modern-us-missiles/
Bangalore Equit...,
A guy that sells stocks in India for a living, "TICKLED" at ISIL by not having cut the throat of US Marines, yet?
I am sorry, I don't get it. I must have misunderstood you.
Listen Isaura.
Time for the USSA to earn some "WELL" deserved dividends from all of "THEIR" military exploits.
Do you "GET" that? If not it may be time for you to admit that you did not get past 10th grade at Luria Academy of Brooklyn.
1. He isn't trading anything, Escrava. Ingnore the trolling fool.
2. He's a Paki, not the low case Indian in/from Bangalore that he projects himself as.
He tipped to being a dumb Paki weeks ago mouthing off and still hasn't realized it.
Listen Zero's.
This guy Vron is a NAZI, I guarantee it.
He is using a parity account that use to be "Throx Of Vron". He just added an extra "X".
Poser parity account of a second rate USSA troll.
"Bangalore Equity Trader
"ThroxxOfVron
Weak even for you, nasty nube Paki monkey.
There are lots of radical muslims in India (although he's not necessarily either Indian or muslim).
30 Years because that is how long it takes to kill off the fathers and then their sons leaving them unable to fight. Sounds good to me. Not a fan of radical arabs.
We are at war with ISIS. We have always been at war with ISIS.*
*DISCLAIMER: Except when we armed and funded them in Syria.
It's like Orwell left these guys an instruction manual they're following to the letter. Will someone PLEASE master the warp drive or space folding so I can get the fuck off this rock?
"Thank god we have a new long term boogeyman so we can shit taxpayer money at the MIC"
actually, the biggest threat to perpetual war is ebola if it continues to spread exponentially. there would be nobody left to kill.
All Secretaries of Defense and Under Secretaries of Defense only get there after proving that they WILL Support the MIC with request for Funding Increases.
But... it comes with the office anyway: Mission, Objectives, Goals, Strategy....
FFS these guys never go away or leave the MIC Business... Probably since the Lobbying, Think Tanks, Foundations, and Executive Positions pay more than any other Industry.
FFS we spend $1 Trillion a year on MIC.
the truth is you have no actual idea what you spend on MIC
"Because of its persistent inability to tally its accounts, the Pentagon is the only federal agency that has not complied with a law that requires annual audits of all government departments. That means that the $8.5 trillion in taxpayer money doled out by Congress to the Pentagon since 1996, the first year it was supposed to be audited, has never been accounted for."
Black Budget: US govt clueless about missing Pentagon $trillions 4:46 minListen Please.
What does any American care for. Face it the money went to Israel. And the Israeli's found some sucker to exchange their gold for the USD's. lol. Good on you Israel.
Trillions? It's fiat, so who gives a shit. Just print some more.
Holy Sh*t, you mean Israel has unreported GOld as big as China or the USA????!!!!
That seems like a huge thing for all to look at.
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BTW Don Rumsfeld's statements that Pentagon had lost track of $1 Trillion or more... there is no way that all that money would be untraceable from 1990-2001. He is pulling sh*t out of his ass. It can only be true if it goes back to the Vietnam Era.
Pentagon budget before 2001 for 10 years of budgets would only equal like $2 Trillion.
Listen 88s.
Accounting shit got blown up in "TERRrrrrst" attack of 911. So sorry 'mericans but it's "THEIR" fault.
read the article i linked previously. it's fucking unfathomable. they even have accounting errors of $1.59 trillion a year (of whitch 1/3 was in "plugs") for only the air force in 2009, which is more than entire budget of DOD. there's no accountability what-so-ever. and this is not including the black budget funding. pentagon has to have a direct line of credit to treasury or more likely to FED, because they just conjure the numbers from nowhere without running out of dough.
this will get interesting when US dollar ceases to be the world reserve currency.
I know I plussed you up in this thread. But Rumsfeld is only talking about the public part of DoD which is currently less than $600 B down from more than $650 Billion. I'll try to post some examples that I have been looking at for 2 years at least:
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Total—Department of Defense—Military Outlays 2013 = $609.4 Billion (Down from $650 B)
Total—Department of Defense—Military Outlays 2000 = $283 Billion
Total—Department of Defense—Military Outlays 1998 = $257.9 Billion
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Total—Department of Veterans Affairs Outlays 2013 = $143.6 Billion
Total—Department of Veterans Affairs Outlays 2000 = $50.1 Billion
Total—Department of Veterans Affairs Outlays 1998 = $45.6 Billion
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Total—International Assistance Program Outlays 2013 = $48 Billion
Total—International Assistance Program Outlays 2000 = $25.7 Billion
Total—International Assistance Program Outlays 1998 = $26 Billion
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Total--Department of Homeland Security Outlays 2013 = $66.5 Billion
Total--Department of Homeland Security Outlays 2000 (FEMA) = $3.9 Billion
Total--Department of Homeland Security Outlays 1998 (FEMA) = $2.9 Billion
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Total--Military Personnel Outlays under DOD 2013 = $150.8 Billion
Total--Military Personnel Outlays under DOD 2000 = $75.9 Billion
Total--Military Personnel Outlays under DOD 1998 = $68.9 Billion
Total--Operation and Maintenance under DOD 2013 = $259.7 Billion (Obviously not enough money to fix everything)
Total--Operation and Maintenance under DOD 2000 = $105.9 Billion (Before the wars)
Total--Operation and Maintenance under DOD 1998 = $92.8 Billion
Total—Procurement under DOD 2013 = $114.9 Billion
Total—Procurement under DOD 2000 = $51.6 Billion
Total—Procurement under DOD 1998 = $48.2 Billion
Total—Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation under DOD 2013 = $66.9 Billion
Total—Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation under DOD 2000 = $37.6 Billion
Total—Research, Development, Test, and Evaluation under DOD 1998 = $37.4 Billion
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The problem with Rueters and Austin Fitts statements are they don't educate us at all. Where in the DoD Budget was the system so lax that all this money is unaccounted for?
The answer seems to be Everywhere under DoD and all over the different kinds of spending. But that is weak and insufficient. DoD salaries, Veterans Benefits, OPM Retirement Benefits or payouts are all very well documented. And if you break it down and look at "Operations and Maintenance" and "Procurement" they have accounting procedures to keep them honest... so What the Fuck are we talking about here?
This is just as ambiguous as the MIC Industry claims that the US Military is in Dire Straights since the budget has been forced to level out. Bull SHit.
thanks for the numbers!
so, it seems that we know how much is spent (excluding the black budget money) but, at least to a large extent, we have no idea on what it's spent.
it's even more insane because only the contracts higher than $250 million are audited.
the pentagon really is the "AMALGAM OF FIEFDOMS".
on rumsfeld note:
still, pentagon has to have substantial side revenue to these numbers make sense. and no doubt they have, but why would rumsfeld admit that publicly just before 9/11, is anybody's guess. and btw, it was $2.3 trillions.
Well no. You close out a DoD Contract when it is finished (the Contractor sends an invoice and the Supplies or Maintenance Procurement paperwork is incremented to show the amount of work completed)
Each Agencies or each Service has IG Offices to inspect (Inspector General Offices). Also the GAO does Inspections based on complaints and operates for US Congress to inspect what the Inspectors are supposed to Inspect). Also I know the services all have Audit Agencies.
Here are some more from 30 September 2013, Final Monthly Treasury Statement, Outlays and Revenues, Table 5.
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Total--Office of Personnel Management Outlays 2013 = $133.7 Billion (What?)
Total--Office of Personnel Management Outlays 2000 = $71.8 Billion
Total--Office of Personnel Management Outlays 1998 = $66 Billion
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OPM, Employees and Retired Employees Health Benefits Fund Outlays 2013 = $43.9 Billion (?More than Double?)
OPM, Employees and Retired Employees Health Benefits Fund Outlays 2000 = $19.7 Billion
OPM, Employees and Retired Employees Health Benefits Fund Outlays 1998 = $17 Billion
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OPM, Civil service retirement and disability fund Outlays 2013 = $77.4 Billion (Expanded Employment & Retirement??)
OPM, Civil service retirement and disability fund Outlays 2000 = $45.2 Billion
OPM, Civil service retirement and disability fund Outlays 1998 = $43 Billion
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OPM, Government Payment for Annuitants, Employees Health & Life Insurance Benefits, Outlays 2013 = $11 Billion (?Double?)
OPM, Government Payment for Annuitants, Employees Health & Life Insurance Benefits, Outlays 2000 = $5 Billion
OPM, Government Payment for Annuitants, Employees Health & Life Insurance Benefits, Outlays 1998 = $4.1 Billion
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IRS, Total Outlays—Internal Revenue Service, under Treasury, 2013 = $103.3 Billion (Boom)
IRS, Total Outlays—Internal Revenue Service, under Treasury, 2000 = $38 Billion
IRS, Total Outlays—Internal Revenue Service, under Treasury, 1998 = $33.2 Billion (??? What? For what??)
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IRS, Payment where earned income credit exceeds liability for tax Outlays 2013 = $57.5 Billion (?What?)
IRS, Payment where earned income credit exceeds liability for tax Outlays 2000 = $26 Billion
IRS, Payment where earned income credit exceeds liability for tax Outlays 1998 = $23.2 Billion
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IRS, Payment Where Child Tax Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax Outlays 2013 = $21.6 Billion (?What?)
IRS, Payment Where Child Tax Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax Outlays 2000 = $806 Million (Million)
IRS, Payment Where Child Tax Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax Outlays 1998 = Zero.....
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Yes, I got into this last week. $2.3 Trillion seems to be the Amount that is in Videos and reported by Catherine Austin Fitts. It only makes sense if it is some kind of Red Herring by Don Rumsfeld and goes back to Vietnam.
Most people don't know... We had no idea what the supplies levels were or where they were located after we shipped them to Vietnam. After that DoD spend lots of money creating perpetual Supply/Inventory Systems to audit & Track both Funds & Supplies. For some crooked reason the computer systems have never fully been perfected and when they get the full capability then... they get Un-Funded to make them more like "Shadow Banking".
"The technology revolution has transformed organizations across the private sector, but not ours, not fully, not yet. We are, as they say, tangled in our anchor chain. Our financial systems are decades old. According to some estimates, we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions. We cannot share information from floor to floor in this building because it's stored on dozens of technological systems that are inaccessible or incompatible."
okay, this was the context.
you can read more on this site, which doesn't debunk shit. ironically, the comments shine more light on the endless corruption.
also, rumsfeld is talking about transactions, which on the 1999 financial statements amounted to $7.6 trillion, of which $2.3 trillion was unsupported. somehow they are moving a lot of money back and forth between the departments. very shady...
and that everything adds up on paper, is just government accounting in its best. you can refer to linda woodford and jim minnery for more.
Dude, the US Military has the reputation of putting a full force of MPs with M016s all over the Payday Event with full paper work.
If you served in the Military it just doesn't make sense that there is no paperwork in 2001 when Rumsfeld speaks about $2.3 Trillion dollars missing.
US Military, US CIA were always adopting Banking Systems, Procedures, and Policies since before 1947.
Makes no Sense.
You can look at Bureau of Indian Affairs and they are all about Property Management, Property Accountability, Deeds of Trust,... It is all the same thing in the US Military & in Banking... and it goes back to like before 1932 when BIS was formed by people close to Alan Dulles Family.
You think the US Military is dumb, undeveloped, and lacking of procedure and policy. You are wrong.
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Again $7.6 trillion was never spent in the DoD from 1990 - 2001. Never happened.
$7.6 trillion was not spent. it was the money transacted, which one can do internally by transfering it between departments. HFT algo can do this with $1 in few seconds, but that's beside the point.
i take any government accounting with a 'grain' of salt.
of course they know how to do accounting if they want to. they are moving the money around to obfuscate. that's how they end up with trillions in transactions. but what do i know.
Monthly Treasury Statement,
30 September 2013, Final Monthly Treasury Statement, Outlays and Revenues, Table 5.
http://www.fiscal.treasury.gov/fsreports/rpt/mthTreasStmt/current.htm
http://www.fms.treas.gov/mts/backissues.html
Solari: Missing Money
http://solari.com/archive/missing_money/
Where is the Money?
http://whereisthemoney.org
Dillon Read & the Aristocracy of Stock Profits
http://dunwalke.com
Trust Leon to know what he's talking about...he negotiated the (30 yr) contract!
I am pretty sure most of the planet is sick of "war" in all it's forms...
I do respect the engineers though, having a look at these pictures gives you an idea of the complex process
involved in building these kind of machines.
http://englishrussia.com/2014/09/30/awesome-production-of-su-30/#more-15...
Imagine if the world wanted peace and all the engineers worked together developing LENR, Plasma, anti-gravitic, and desalinization technology, the assholes with the money keep buying off the best talent to destroy stuff rather than create stuff... :(
Fuck you Leon Jesuit traind Knight of Malta Panetta. Fuck you with an Ebola infested yak cock, mother fucker!
Are we going to have a 30 war with ebola as well?
Think about it... a War On Viruses...
That would be as bullish for Viruses as it has been for ISIS.
Yes, the wars on poverty, drugs, and terror have only increased poverty, drugs, and terror. A war on viruses would likely result in humans bleeding out of every orifice within hours.
Then it is obvious we need a "War on Free Chicks".
Among historians, it would come to be known as the Long Hard War.
Or the 12 minute war.
It is already happening...thats why so many
Panetta Knows we had a 30 Year "War on Drugs" already.
Beta Tested.
Edit: Cold War also was a 30 Year Ruse!! Just lasted from like 1945 till 1989, 45 years. Big Business, Lots of Growth, Industry took off and Dominated all others by 1983.
WAR ON DRUGS
i find catherin austin fitts take on it very succinct.
she is saying that US government by channeling drugs into poor communities and then running targeted enforcement process (swat) to round up innocent kids in slave labour camps (US prison system) is not so different from hitler and his policy towards jews. basically, war on drugs is nothing short of genocide on certain (racial) class of society.
Yes, saw something from Austin Fitts last week. She is pretty good. I think she holds back the facts to keep from being killed. As she said in the interview /i heard she might have been killed for her knowledge if she accepted a package of data from a guy that came to her office in a cold call about fraud with US Securities involving Federal Officials and Bankers.
Details are out there... who will expose them??
she is! haven't got to her online book yet, but it seems very interesting. worth a read probably.
http://www.dunwalke.com/contents.htm
Cocksucking Neo-Con warmonger. But then again, I repeat myself.
I think this article pretty well sums up which country's interests Panetta is concerned about:
Leon Panetta, a Defense Secretary With a Long History of Cooperation with Israel
I have said this before, and I'll say it again: the US government does NOT attack Muslims, it attacks secular governments of predominantly Muslim nations. The result is to actually EMPOWER muslim fanatics by enabling their systematic takeover of the entire Middle East.
Leon "FUCKNUT" Panetta can suck a bag of dick for helping to make this happen. It's going to be a 30 year war against ISIS because HE HELPED MAKE IT HAPPEN.
Islam is political system, and perpetual war against the infidel is absolutely central to their ideology. Playing into their hands like this is either (a) TREASON, or (b) blatant STUPIDITY.
Like anything, it's probably a combination of both.
US government attacks those who oppose OPEC and therefore are challenging petrodollar hegemony. US banks also tend to attack those whose ideology prohibits usury or favors accumulation of precious metal reserves instead of foreign fiat-denominated debt.
NO...NO...NO....
We are 20 years past 1984.....don't you all know ?
We're not looking at 30 years of WAR.....but 30 years of PEACE !!!
Actually, 30 years.... do the math, my man. You may need "math-maism" (sp?)
< ahem >
War is peace.
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strenght
20 is 30 ; )
this scare you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPX3JaS1XOI
Actually I agree with what she is saying in this clip but the screeching voice of this Kankleite for 8 years will be too much. Besides, she will be Obolo on steroids wrt FISA action when she assumes the power.
Quaaaade.
FUCK YOU LEON
When I saw your comment I couldn't help thinking that another spook named Leon could show Mr. Panetta how it's done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WxY22Iyp44
Panetta straight up quoting 1984 in his book eh? Did he at least cite his source of information? This is plagiarism!
Orwell wasn't a tribesman, so stealing his IP is perfectly kosher.
Perpetual war for perpetual peace. What's not to love?
This is yet more proof that a bunch of sociopathic fucktards are running the show.
As ALWAYS, government creates it's own demand. Otherwise, independence might truly emerge.
And with that, it's time to go visit the sample bar at the liquor store. Hopefully they'll leave it unguarded again today, and I can fill up a cup with Bailey's Pumpkin Spice Irish Cream.
Trick or treat!
If you're going out in public, be sure to wear your hazmat suit.
Fuck Leon Panetta, the laughing executioner.
Clinton's boo. Where are you Cindy Sheehan and Code Pink? That's your boy.
"...designed to be endless." Yup.
Keep the M.I.C. humming, kill the middle class, & dissolve liberty at home.
Three-pronged attack on the individual and family (the Devil's Trident).
Leon Pancetta, isn't that the newest treat from Macaroni Grill?
God.. how I long for the simpler days of...the Taliban, and how they were going to take over the world from a cave.. and the elusive Iraqi bioweapons trailers that could infect our water supply..
A 30 yr. war.. who is going to finance that?
Wall Street!
No, wait...
A 30 yr. war.. who is going to finance that?
The same people who finance all 'our' wars - anyone who has to produce value to buy the USD necessary to purchase oil from our OPEC satraps.
This madness doesn't end until i) OPEC run out of oil, or ii) their 'rulers' stop demanding USD. Until then, this empire bullshit is essentially free for the US and its taxpayers.
It means interest rates at zero foe 30 years. Dow 36,000. BTFD.
Here come the Three Muskateers!
Huzzah!
Let's find a hanging tree
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/The_Hanging_by_Jacqu...
what are we bombing Yemen for?
"what are we bombing Yemen for? "
To enrich military contractors and munitions manufacturers.
If there is any place on the globe that needs the benefits of supersonic democracy, it is Yemen.
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn
........ my next stop is Vietnam.
what are we bombing Yemen for?
We need a reason? What are you, some kind of neo-commie isolationist?
We don't need no stinking reasons.
training drone operators somewhere too remote for anyone to care
Sure, Leon, all those countries that have oil or have discovered large deposits of natural resources in the past 10-30 years. Just a happy coincidence that they all have terrorists, I suppose?
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http://www.gainesvillecoins.com/category/841/pamp-suisse-silver-bars.aspx
IF there is going to be a 30 year war I think that the following should be forced to live in the middle of the most violent theater of operations with their entire families from their grandparents to their grandchildren for the entire duration:
1. The president, VP and the entire Cabinet.
2. Every Member of Both Houses of Congress and ALL Senior Management of ALL Federal Agencies.
3. ALL Governors and State Representatives of ALL US States and Territories.
4. ALL of the Senior Management of every single military contractor no matter how small.
5. ALL of the Senior Management and 500 largest shareholders of the Fortune 500.
6. ALL of the Senior Management and 500 largerst shareholders of the major media conglomerates.
7. ALL of the Senior Management and 500 largest Shareholders of ALL the Primary Dealers and major Insurance Companies.
8. ALL of the Lobbists and the full Legal Teams associated with ALL of the above.
9. ALL of the Ambassadors to the United States from ALL foreign countries and Territories.
10. ALL members of the Supreme Court.
11. ALL other living/retired/former persons who have been included in the above list at any time no matter how brief.
The Clintons still can't stand Jimmy Carter apparently.
Putin might be Hitler but they're the Third Reich.
Carter actually has some small amount of integrity; and the Clintons neither understand or respect him for this reason.
The old house building christian has a moral basis which defies the Clintons' ruthless insatiable ambition and exposes their vainity and callousness.
What are people shocked about? We are at war with Eastasia...we have always been at war with Eastasia.....
Why are the Russians going along with the ISIS narrative & not calling out the Mossad/CIA behind them? What game are they playing?
media domination makes anyone telling the truth sound like a crank - avoiding that trap means you have to be subtle. that's why media domination is so powerful.
Geez I already miss OBL
The first 30 Years' War resulted in nearly 50% of the population of Central Europe getting eradicated. Is Mr. Panetta suggesting we give Wallenstein a run for his money?
Leon Panetta is competing for Joe Biden's Slot... Stupid Fu**ing American Politician-Head-Up-His-Ass.
Has Panetta ever been deployed into active combat in a foreign nation?
Dough Boy sounds very arm chair...
They all have great Resume's as they Punch their Ticket.
But everyone in Government or Career get's awards. We can't really believe Panetta's Creds. As Sec Def he probably got read into a lot of stuff.
The most important things are:
- Is he being Black Mailed
- Is he on the Take
- Is he a made man in a Cartel or Mafia
- Does he do things that expose him to Black Mail Risk
- Is he an Evil Fu**
Seriously? Leon, just show us your new business card.
Ya know, the one for public consumption.
Leon Panetta,
B-52 Pilot, Norad 1965-81
Humanitarian Director,
1987-1998 Iraq division
Human resources Mgr.
ect...
Leon Panetta,
Coastal California Philanthropist
2012-current
Fuck you panetta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Panetta
"In 1956, he entered Santa Clara University, and in 1960 he graduated magna cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. He also received a Juris Doctor in 1963 from the Santa Clara University School of Law.
In 1964, he joined the United States Army as a Second Lieutenant, where he served as an officer in Army Military Intelligence.[8] There he received the Army Commendation Medal, and was discharged in 1966 as a First Lieutenant. "
Leon Panetta's 'military career' was conprised of two short years as a law parser cum dirt file compiler.
lol
Yeah, I remember reading that months ago.
Normally you sign up for like 6-8 years in a commission or Enlistment.
So why did Panetta get let out of his Military Commitment unless he Joined CIA or NSA???
He was Intel... with a smart degree in Law... probably connect to money somehow... Fu**er was always CIA or NSA.
"Blame the Generals."
the same reason Biden got 5, yes 5 fucking deferments during vietnam.
Wow. I missed that. I miss a lot of stuff while out of country. Plus I tend to just look at National Politics as my orientation.
Pick up trucks, 2nd rate military hardware, lunatic fighters (not soldiers). NO AIR POWER! NO NAVY! Stretched supply lines, 20,000 bandits. 30 yrs!!! Please stop smoking the sh*t! This international force of psychotic mercenaries (most from Chechnya) are being used to restructure the boarders of the middle east. It's no mystery.
Drop a half dozen nukes we already paid for and clean house.
Waste the blood and treasure of a generation on a 30 year war.
I think the nukes are leased. (seriously)
Well thats what it'll take to find a Saladin in that region.
You want history to repeat you'll get it.
Self fulfilling prophecy.
Remember N'guyen Giap and you'll know why you'll find his clone in Arabia.
Nam is where all this hubris began. First french, then American. This time it'll be a repeat again, with a touch of Brit fever.
Needless to say Panetta like his Pax Americana bosses couldn't give a rat's ass about the local population.
This is all about resources and control of them on an unilateral basis by the big boss of 21st century; same as before.
Nothing shall stand in the way of America's thousand year reich!
Except the banking mafia - as the irony is they want to have an all powerful US military to act as their enforcers and debt collectors but at the same time are destroying the economy that funds it.
It is highly unlikely that such a scenario will ever take place. In 30 years the US will be lucky to afford a few foreign military bases as it be insolvent
The ancient Greeks had a couple of words to describe what is going on: after Hubris comes Nemesis
"they make a desert and call it peace". Tacitus
Your body is supposed to be at eternal war with literally trillions of attacking microbes , yet the immune system has negotiated truces with most of them .
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/02/pacifism-redux.html
Negotiated conflict is an optimal natural state .
War has to be continually invented .
Just do something frivolous like
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2011/11/atlantis-colonies-ii.html
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2013/11/atlantis-ii-rlyeh-update.html
No love for Putin, but Russia would clean ISIS up in a week. What the Russian's did to a Ukraine tank column is a perfect example.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-03/isis-threatens-putin-caliphate-...
I admire and respect Putin for largly unfucking the fucking Russia got from a handful of western-connected oligarchs under Yeltsin.
Not at all Russia's fight, and it is the Americans and Saudis and Turks Frankenstein....
If Iraq were not in US-caused and instigated turmoil, ditto Syria, Syria and Iraq and the Kurds could destroy ISIS in 60 days.
I agree.
Kurdish fighters trying to hold back ISIS, couldn't believe how hundreds of IS vehicles could make it to Kobane without one air-strike! Then an air-strike occurs and knocks out water pump station close to the town.
" Not at all Russia's fight, and it is the Americans and Saudis and Turks Frankenstein...."
Yes, but the next big proxy war will begin with Iran and the Saudi's, Russia will back and arm Iran.
Putin backed out of his deal to sell Russia's advanced anti aircraft missiles to Iran and Syria. Was this due to fear of the West's reaction.
Iran will get the same backing Iraq, Libya, Syria and others have gotten.
The govt mouthpieces are preping the public for the rampup. They intend to take these regions for their resources. If they control all these resources then they can coordinate economic damage to Russia or negate some cards Russia might hold.
It may not seem like this is Russia's fight but outcomes may make have great impacts to Russia. For example once the resources are secured the picking off of Russia's new economic "friends" will get attention.
If Russia had taken a stand for Iraq, Libya, Syria then Russia may have had a chance. This time they intend to break Russia so it cannot resist again and, in my opinion, Russia deserves what it is to get for betraying it's friends and allowing them to get butchered.
Watch closely when the battle for EUkrain heats back up. Both sides will show their present commitment to intensify (or counter punch) the fight. If Russia does not begin direct decisive action the color of that war will change and the EUkrain's will get butchered while Putin watches and hopes the West will be satisfied to pin Russia and put missiles and defenses along those borders.
If Russia had taken a stand for Iraq, Libya, Syria then Russia may have had a chance. This time they intend to break Russia so it cannot resist again and, in my opinion, Russia deserves what it is to get for betraying it's friends and allowing them to get butchered.
Sorry; there are no 'friends' in geopolitics, just expedience and allies.
But I agree, if Russia lets ZATO fuck Syria, Iran will probably fall not long after and Russia will really have lost its foothold in the Med.
USAIPAC would love to drag Russia into multiple wars in order to bleed Russia's economy dry....
USAIPAC can afford these multiple wars by simply printing more fiat currency and putting the bill on the US Taxpayer's tab while also spreading as much of the cost as possible among its puppet "allies".
Russia does not betray its friends. Regardless how painful it is in the moment, Russia is wise enough to stay strong in order to be able to defend its friends in the long run.
It is the US that backstabs everyone it comes into contact with.
I don't think Russia is any less surprised than I am at the Fourth Reich that the West turned into.
And I'm still living in the US so I guess I'm going to get what I deserve. How about you? Do you still live in the US or the UK?
When Iraq went down did the Russians have the Iskander? Or the Yakhont?
Or perhaps you meant that Putin should have gone atomic over Iraq?
He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day.
And the Russians didn't run away. They knew it wasn't the time yet to stand up to the Mongol Horde.
Was looking at documents that the Nazis probably used which helped form a base for cultist or religious nonchristian ideas.
Seems there are old links here btw Europe & India.
Also in 19th Century there was great interest by Great Britain who published tons of books on old Indian or other ancient Religions.
UK & Germany were crazy for metaphysics & Hermetics or ancient knowledge.
It may be possible that USA, English & Germans felt much of human history is revealed by Egyptian & Indian Writings.
USA, UK, Nazi Germany, & Zionist Israel may be one Entity.
In a way they are.
Had the Nazis not murdered 6,000,000 Jews, the UK and Truman might have run into considerable international objection to establishing a Jewish state in the Palestine Mandate.
But the Moving Finger writes....
The Nazis killed the Jews. USA won the war. UK administered the Mandate. Irgun killed Moyne and Bernadotte and blew up the King David Hotel and two of the Irgun leaders became Prime Ministers of Israel.
From the get go, anything that Israel did was supported by American Jews who have had an exceptional influence of the Democrat Party.
Those who live in the US will get it too. It will be at the hands of the dual citizens, and the rest of the world will rejoice as they recall how their loved ones were killed due to the US or how the US had bullied their country. And these dual citizens and those they truely serve view the others as livestock (at best) or vermin. The coldness of how the US public will be treated will be foreign to this public. (I can envision that the ebola issue is in fact intented to be used to thin the herd in the US, but cannot say if it is yet)
I watched a brief interview with a ranking Russian officer after Iraq 1. He stated that he had voiced disagreement over how Russia abandoned Iraq. He said the Russian command refused to even supply tactical advice on how to engage the americans. He said he told them that if Russia did not assist Iraq with tactics and resupply then "who would trust Russia in the future" (or words to that effect).
At some point you have to admit that Russia is forever making tracks away from direct conflict and is willing to retreat to within it's borders.
Especially if the Thought Police get a list of user names and matching email addresses of the commenters here at ZH!
It makes you wonder if Big B. (big bush) didn't choose to begin his attack on Iraq right in the middle of the negotiations for the end of the Cold War.
sigh
"Kurdish fighters trying to hold back ISIS, couldn't believe how hundreds of IS vehicles could make it to Kobane without one air-strike!"
TPTB don't want to destroy Isis. They want to use them to atack Syria and to scare the public into moar woar. More specifically the Turks are quite happy for Isis to take out the Kurdish enclaves in northern Syria as they are the bases for Kurdish independence groups.
Have you read that one tanker truck carrying ISIS oil to market to supply them with funds, has been hit? Is the US letting them through because the US is the buyer? Or can not the US bear to destroy oil regardless of whose it is?
If ISIS is Frankenstein's creature, ISIS will eventually cause the ruination of its creator, the US.
Well I saw where Russians moved to Germany to work in Agriculture since the Economy Sucks... was 2006.
And I saw where Russian Women moved to an Asian Country to work as Hostesses for Asian Men in 2003-4.
Maybe in USA we don't get the news about Russia and Russian Crime and Russian Oligarchies?? Russian Mafia, Russian Prostitution & Slave Trade. Russian online hackers or Tech in Mafia Orgs.
You don't need news about Russia, if you're gullible and have a creative imagination.
Glad to have support. MSM is a conspiracy. Most conspiracy seems to be facts suppressed and not investigated or Refused... since patriarchy flatly state there is no story, no facts, no question, no evidence, and in the world of science & publication ...then in MSM there is no debate.
HM... science can't study or answer many things, but patriarchs earning big bucks come out against any kind of questioning which... would in fact be the basis for science.
hm... against the basis of science... which is the basis if our modern civilization.... HM...we founded our civilization on scientific and legal principals... and we know the legal principals have been cast aside (US Constitution).
- so cast aside the constitution
- So cast aside the Scientific Method
And press a well worn copy of '1984' to your bosom/
Excellent, we need to send him and his extended family directly to the front lines on the next C-130's over there.
Only a Vietnam style military draft in the U.S. (this time including women) can possibly stop this insanity.
That would probably do it. Which is why they abandoned the draft and went to a professional military in the first place. When you are drafted to fight and risk your life there better be a good fucking reason for doing so. There average person isn't going to put up with any bullshit in that regard. They are going to bitch and complain till the cows come home if they are being asked to sacrifice life or limb for an unjust cause. With a professional army, we can sit back and tell ourselves, "Well, they volunteered for this shit. They knew what they were getting into. And they're getting paid well to boot. No harm no foul." Which is why we never should have abandoned the draft and gone to a professional army. The citizens were the stake holders. No they are not. Worse, iIt allows the politicians to do whatever the fuck they want.
That certainly would increase casualties among officers. Again.
It probably would be a tipping point for the heretofore simmering rage among Middle America over the theft of their country.
The Reserves and National Guard were converted into nurseries to protect the sons of politicians and the influential wealthy during the Vietnam escapade.. Blue-collar kids got the "no slots available" line when they tried to get into either. Those slots were reserved for the precious scions. Can we avoid that next time?
but this time make sure the draft has a much higher average IQ by prefering the kids of the ruling elite
Actually, make the draft only for kids of the ruling elite.
But.... do you really think he can find that tiny thing?
The irony about "terror threats" is that it's completely manufactured by the political elites. And of course broadcast by the obedient MSM and turned into a scare-mongering grave threat.
Whereas "they" never stop going on about it and use it to pass ever more draconian anti-liberty laws, populations in most countries mark it way down on their list of concerns.
Witness the arrest of four alleged wannabe terrorists in North Kensington, London yesterday who apparently, or possibly, or maybe, were planning to behead people on the streets of London. For which there is not a shred of evidence.
Another Met Police/MI5 PR stunt to please the Home Secretary Theresa May and the empty suit David Cameron?? Quite possibly.
The "Ricin Plot That Never Was" was not the first of these politically manufactured plots. And let's not forget the "air exclusion zone" introduced over London when Met Police discovered some glass jars and beans in the home of some more wannabe terrorists in SE London several years ago. Nobody was found guilty of anything terror related.
For the slimeball Panetta to say this is a 30 year war against ISIS simply means the political elites will milk this manufacturd fiasco for 30 years. Nothing more.
ISIS BEHEADS
Yesterday it was all over the news that the FBI wanted everyone's help in identifying the ISIS swordsman who beheaded an American hostage.
The executioner was wearing a mask, so the FBI wanted some patriotic citizen to identify the guy by his recorded voice and American accent.
What the FBI was really doing was keeping alive on the airwaves the fact the ISIS beheads.
ISIS hasn't beheaded any one in a several days and The FBI can't wait till they decide to do it again. So they reminded America Tuesday that ISIS beheads by talking about the executioner.
They got to keep the Terror Pressure of the US citizen at least 200 over 150.