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Want To Score High On The SAT? Pick Rich Parents
While money (reportedly) can't buy love, it appears, according to The WSJ, that it can buy brains.On average, based on calculations from FairTest, students in 2014 in every income bracket outscored students in a lower bracket on every section of the test. Rather stunningly, students from the wealthiest families outscored those from the poorest by just shy of 400 points. As WSJ's Josh Zumbrun so poetically notes, perhaps SAT should more appropriately stand for Student Affluence Test.
As The Wall Street Journal explains, students from the wealthiest families outscored those from the poorest by just shy of 400 points.
Given the widespread use of the SAT in college admissions, the implications are obvious: Not only are the wealthiest families best equipped to pay for college, their kids on average are more likely to post the sort of scores that make admissions easy.
Thus the SAT is just another area in American life where economic inequality results in much more than just disparate incomes. And making matters worse, some employers continue to ask for test scores years after graduation.
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It’s tempting to believe the disparity in results arises because wealthy parents can easily afford SAT prep courses to help students game the test by learning its tricks. But some research suggests test prep has a fairly limited effect on scores. One study found that testing boosts math scores by 14-15 points and reading scores by 6-8 points.
Yet the gaps between rich and poor students are far larger than what could be produced by test prep alone. If the disparity were merely caused by test prep, that would perhaps be comforting, because an obvious solution would be: Provide everyone with test prep.
And so a vicious circle develops...
But if the phenomenon arises from a confluence of factors, that makes it all the harder to remove income gaps from standardized tests. Family wealth allows parents to locate in neighborhoods with better schools (or spring for private schools). Parents who are themselves college educated tend to make more money, and since today’s high school seniors were born in the mid-1990s, many of the wealthiest and best-educated parents themselves came of age when the tests were of crucial importance. When the SAT is crucial to college, college is crucial to income, and income is crucial to SAT scores, a mutually reinforcing cycle develops.
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Conclusion: Once again it is crucial to your realization of The American Dream that you pick your parents wisely.
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We're going to need some more government intervention to 'fix' this...
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Poor people are stupid - nothing more than that.
"Want To Score High On The SAT? Pick Rich Parents"
"Poor people are stupid - nothing more than that."
That's so rayciss!....need to open up the Southern Border, let in more Africans with Ebola, and carpet bomb Syria.
sarc off
They have cram courses for these tests now, and coaches and study guides,
but the biggest factor is whether your parents, or the Baby Momma, can read.
Sad but true.
Would love to see the corelation between incomes and values. Time spent watching TV, sports, and reading, etc.
Poor schools are fucked up with future murderers and rapist of America so even if you are smart you are not really worried about that bull shit on the board.
SAT question this year. The test taker must correctly select the sentence which is most clear, precise and accurate:
(A) In the event of a financial crisis, the Fed should give $750B to the banks that caused it;
(B) In the event of a financial crisis, the Fed should consider handing $750B to the banks that caused it;
(C) In the event of a financial crisis, the Fed must give $750B to the banks that caused it;
(D) In the event of a financial crisis, the Fed must give $750B to the banks at which your parents work because they deserve it.
There are three things you can’t do in life:
Chose who’s gonna be your mother
Who’s gonna be your father
And your neighbor
and ALL 3 of those things pretty much determine the course of your life.
It's rare for someone to overcome having stupid, poor, uncaring parents and growing up in a shithole.
It CAN happen but it almost takes a miracle. One of my kids took a course one summer with a math professor from a speck of a village in the MidEast. He stumbled across a college math text in his youth - that led to an obsession with math tht revealed a natural talent for the subject. That skill got him out of the village to university and from there out of the MidEast to the US.
In contrast one of the people taking that class with my son was a scholarship student in that summer program. This was the ONLY 'good' thing in her life - 3 weeks out of the year when she gort away from everythign and got to be 'smart'. She was from a failing school in the Central Valley in CA that did NOT value any academic talent. Her father was a meth addict and their mother struggling to raise 3 kids. She moved to Texas in hope of a better life but things weren't going to well last we heard. She was a brilliant kid but overwhelmed with all the crap surrounding her. Wouldn't be surprised if she ended up pregnant and .. well.... following the family footsteps...... Sadly that is the more common outcome for even the most talented when they start live in a deep dark hole.
Indeed. The old dichotomy of "nature v. nurture".
The SAT, IQ, and even Schizophrenia testing has long been proven to be biased "by design" in study after study.
Which is why it is the foundation of the NWO establishment which is defended vehemently all over this site and the MSM daily.
Corrupt, wealthy errand boys, who serve the Uber rich bloodlines, who serve the far more evil masters.
Time to take the "red" pill folks...however disrupting it may be...
You're a completely ignorant civilivian who is completely un qualified to even speak on t his subject. You're merely another mass opinion forming victim. T he tests are no biased and they work fine. Do you believe in Jesus, too?
if you say that professor's name was Ramanujan I'm gonna call bullshit on that story.
I will grant that the central valley girl story isn't uncommon. Some of the ones i've met were hot but clingy cuz they see a smart guy at a good school as a way out of the misery they were born into. unfortunately they usually bring crazy amounts of drama into a relationship cuz that's the only way they know to behave. fun to ride but rare is the one that's a keeper.
(E) All of the Above
Congratulations. You are officially on the list of prospects for future Fed chair, and in the interim enjoy your beer bongs at Princeton.
$750B ???
Congratulations. You are hereby on the short-list of prospects for future CEO of Goldman Sachs. In the interim, there's a pile of blow in the front seat of the black Bentley parked outside your house to get you warmed up.
LTER, you owe me a new screen which is covered with tea that I spit out from laughing. Thanks for putting me in a great mood! :)
of course. due to what? "No child left behind"---possible the single stupidist piece of federal legislation in history---and school integration. Combined ? National Suicide.
You already know what the correlation is. And so do I.
So what's Paris Hilton's SAT score ? Must be 1 BILLION.
Trust fund kids don't have to go to college - or do ANYTHING besides spend their monthly allowance. The super rich have 'people' that do pretty much everything for them.
That's why so many fortunes disappear in 3 or 4 generations.
The family dynastys that last are also focused on POWER. Their kids are well educated and carefully trained for their roles as the real masters of the universe - the ones that pull the strings of our visible 'leaders'
Bingo.
This being said, the correlation between wealth and "IQ" is well documented going back to Lucas and updated by Jeff Sachs in the 90's. The TLDR is that low quality food early in life pretty much perma-stunts your brain development. Given how much investment adults of HNW or high-earning power demographics drop into their 2.5 kids, and the risk of their failure on the family unit reputation they are more willing to drop ALL the resources into ensuring that kid makes it.
Of course, that will do one of two things
1.) if the kid recognizes his entire lineage depends on him/her winning the gene pool contest, they will work their ass off; so you get outliers like Zuckerburg or Gates or Roosevelt who took a small pile of cash and turned it into a big pile. This aptly explains why high performance societies have a "tiger mom" culture of success, and most don't have that "immigrant mentality"
or
2.) They realize their life has an infinite amount of saves/lives and thus never do shit because they have this infinite liquidity net, which sooner or later they burn through; and then their family returns to shitty lower middle status, or worse.
The Hiltons are a great example of this, as are a few other families.
Its a long way from the top to the bottom, and nearly everyone wants to throw you off the cliff, which means the fall from peak is usually far easier than the Value at risk of giving them the backstop. Which is why most rarely backstop their kids beyond a base launch kit (or seed capital, whatever).
the trouble with your perspective is that you have defined success in financial terms only. "rich" doesn't mean smart anymore than "poor" means stupid. that some of the great minds we read about in history didn't turn 'small piles' into 'big ones' doesn't diminish their accomplishments in any way. That the Bobby Fischers, Gregori Perelmans, and Nikola Teslas of the world never valued their talent in monetary terms points to how faulty the logic is. The pursuit of money is a direction you take with you intellect, and not everyone with a high IQ decides that's the most attractive use of their time and energy.
Common; t hese are averages over large sample numbers.
"Poor people are stupid - nothing more than that."
How about:
"Stupid people adopt bad habits that make them poor."
Maybe it has something to do with values, parental involvement in education, making education a priority, etc.
Funny how the same habits that make someone rich (i.e., goal-setting, discipline, delayed gratification, hard work, perseverance) also make someone a good student?
[PS: grew up in a lower-middle class family; got lucky with the genes/values/parental involvement thing; got good SAT scores; worked my way through college & later: law school; now in the >$200k category]
How about looking at the average intelligence of the rich parents whose kids are scoring higher (after often attending superior schools). Making a bee line from a kid's score to a his or her parent's income seems to skip a few important (and likely positively correlated) factors.
Well, get your Phd. in Psyc. get your funding and do the research and write up the results and get it published. OH, you can't do t hat? Well, guess what neither can anyone else. What you're really saying is; gee, I wish this was true.
No, that's not what I wrote, or implied.
If you wished to you could study this subject. If you had an IQ of 90; you wouldn't have gone to any law schools; it would make exactly zero difference what your work ethic was. Poor people are stupid; stupid people are poor---they're generalizations; they apply to averages. but there are definitely limits in reality to what's possible. The impossible doesn't happen. If you had an IQ of 100; which is "normal" you wouldn't have gone to any law school; anywhere; or passed any Bar Exam; anywhere. Facts are facts. I too came from a lower middle class working family; because my biological father died in the pacific war with the Japanese; and my mother re-married a "normal" guy who had a good job and supported me and my sister. When I got 800 out of 800 on the math/logic section of the SAT, in 1959; it was supposed to be impossible. The test has been dumbed down twice now to make blacks feel better about themselves. It's very strange to have an IQ higher than 99.9% of the population. I thought for awhile when I was about 11 t hat maybe I had been left behind by beings in flying saucers. It took years for me to realize how stupid normal people are. It still amazes me today. T his is 100% genetic; it was there from the earliest age. What you won; was the genetic lottery.
How do you know this? There is no way you can validly make such a statement, not only because the terms used are vaguely defined, but also because the proposed relationship between them is ambiguous.
True, but the best way to measure their stupidity is not by their SAT/IQ scores. The things they do/say, and the consistency of rational judgment in their lives, etc., are better gauges.
But on the subject of SAT scores, when you take into account the nature of the syllabus and thus the importance of the nature of prep required, it'd be glib to rule out the fact that rich kids have more access to the resources required to get high scores than poor kids do. Not to mention other factors like the lack of time or proper motivation, etc.
A large enough database connected to an app can perform equally well on that test multiple times, in a fraction of the time it took you to do so, and without any prior preparation. That doesn't mean the device running them is a rational being. Mere cleverness is not the same as intelligence. If it were then every virtuoso pianist would be Bach.
Wait...you mean to say that the point of your entire post was to assert that you're a very smart guy?
Everybody who has ever made a serious study of the subject disagrees with you; almost everyone who knows nothing about t he subject of testing agrees with you. You've been brainwashed.
I know a couple of people who are members of Mensa, who scored around 100-120 on the sample tests on their website, and who subsequently prepared for the main test using study materials for the GRE and got in. I've taken a few online IQ tests myself and scored between 100 and 140 at various times.
It's certainly possible for a person to have a low IQ *and* be intelligent/talented by any standard you care to name. The more familiar a person is with a type of test, the more likely they are to score high in it, so the people who are most likely to score high on Mensa-type tests are those actively preparing for competitive entrance exams in the STEM fields. Of course, inherited characteristics like memory are essential for any kind of intelligence, but it is nonsense to conclude therefrom that a random person who may have scored 90 on an IQ test can't become a lawyer, or that the ability to reason objectively about the world is exactly commensurate to those characteristics.
Got an 800 +/- on my SAT's, but my IQ is 134. Go figure...?
Mighta been the weed I smoked on the mornin' of my SAT's...
I told you the test has been dumbed down twice since then; you have reading problems.
Reading problems? Yeah, I read compulsively!~
Or are you saying the IQ test has been dumbed down!?
Maybe the kids are smart because the parents are smart and this is why they are rich?
Obviously this is t he case; but it is usually called the last TABOO in science; and it really is. You can get fired for publishing the facts about IQ testing; because they're genetic, and we all know what that means.
They have private schools for that now too. Those who can afford to send their children actually get what they are paying for, unlike our public schools.
How sad is it that they have actual courses to prepare for this bullshit test? And you wouldn't believe how much they charge for those test prep courses. Back in the day, I got a 1325 without any preparation at all, and I was recovering from a night of illegal binge drinking. If I could score that high while hungover and unprepared, it tells you two things:
1) It's a bullshit test
2) The prep courses for it are even more bullshit
It's a bullshit test. what an intelligent comment. what exactly does this mean? You lucked out on the second part; t he prep. courses are a rip-off; according to actual scientific studies.
funny coincidence. I outscored 87% of potential graduate students on the GRE a few mondays ago with little more preparation than 'i just won't drink the night before the test.'
standardized tests don't reflect your IQ at all, they test whether you know how to answer a particular kind of question with a particular set of heuristics that accomplish the task most rapidly. all that requires is exposure to the right concepts, which is where school matters, and the appropriate stimulation to entice someone to do it quickly, which is where money/status/position matter. i really believe i could train a monkey to outscore a substatantial portion of the 1.47 million test takers against whom I'm being compared, though my methods would probably be deemed 'unsound.'
Exactly, and you can say the same for IQ tests. It is one thing to say that that kind of exposure is necessary for getting into good unis/colleges, and quite another to extrapolate some kind of IQ-based ontology from it.
T here are studies of the results for the cram courses too; as they attracted the attention of Psch. Proffs. in Universities; t hey don't work. Parents; who don't read or research anything themselves, pay for them anyway. America; where a sucker is born every minute.
Why is it sad? If you have an IQ of 90 you never learn to read and comprehend at a normal adult level. Ever. Genes are capricious; you might get grandpa's brain development genes; but the correlation with the parents is high.
I remember my first semester in college thinking “these people want to learn something, how fucking peculiar.”
I remember entering college at 24 realizing, "these people don't care if they learn anything".
Must have been Harvard.
What about Carlos's kids? high SAT? http://hedgeaccording.ly/2014/10/carlos-slim-america-movil-may-divest-on...
Or maybe along with an unspecified number in that demographic being unintelligent, some are just too busy working to make ends meet that they haven't the time to study? If you're taking SAT's.. you're probably not a gangbanger.. ya?
I worked 50 to 85 getting my BA.
congrats.. don't know about you, but what a waste of time. I ended up teaching myself how to write software with an equal amount of time and about $900 in books and material in today's dollars.
Me too. A short week for me in college was 52 hours of work and 20 hours of school. I managed to graduate with zero debt, so I would do it all over again. That is, if you didn't have to mortgage your soul to attend college these days.
T here are no "un-specified numbers"; it's all been studied to death. look it up for christ's sake.
Of course; this is obvious. A more elegant way to state it is that the successful people have higher IQ's. This is now regarded as an unwelcome truth; whole generations have been brainwashed to believe that "anyone can go to college, etc, etc,". It's just reality getting in the way of the crazy politically correct belief system.
"The world needs ditch-diggers too, son." - Judge Smails
you're equating successful with wealthy with intelligent.
You think Jay Z is a genius?
Some of the dumbest people I ever met outside of people with mental defects were legacies at Yale and Brown.
While you'd expect a strong correlation, you don't seem to grasp that correlation is not causation and there are a lot of confounds to consider which I bet you never have [from nutrition to stress/cortisol levels, to microwaves exposure, to early childhood education and healthcare, etc. etc.]
Basically, you're just being lazy, and calling it being bold and honest.
Which isn't to say all people are equal - they're just more equal than they're given a chance to be.
Jay Z is the exception that proves the rule.
Stupid people with EBT cards made him rich...
financial success is not tightly correlated to intelligence.
By the way, we still haven't defined intelligence.
I'm off the charts on some subtests - but I can't seem to remember where my keys are at any given point in time...
what is "intelligence" and does IQ testing or the SAT really test it? Surely it tests something, but there's a whole lot that goes on between birth [or conception] and sitting for the SAT that I'm willing to bet my junkers have never considered.
That's my point - that their knowledge claim is, well, horseshit, even if, ultimately, it happens that their assumption is correct and empirically verifiable.
Then again, why do I bother. Perhaps I'm just a liberal or commie.
Site had smarter people 2 or 3 years ago....
I have no idea what your junkers considered; but I know what you didn't do. you didn't read the available literature to discover the enormous efforts that have been put into controlling for and studying environmental factors. T his is called t he nature/ nurture debate, (nature referring to genetics); but there isn't anyt hing to debate about. The people whose heads would explode if t hey had to admit that t he difference in White-black IQ is genetic, and un alterable; which it is; come up with whole books full of fantastic mis-applica tions of logic and ignore everything t hat cont radicts their pre-conception. If you're actually interested in t his subject study it; t here's certainly plenty of scientific studies available.
definition of intelligence; that measurable mental ability which correllates with income over life, and in general, with better life outcomes. There you; t hat's a definition. Research it; disprove it; but don't just keep being in love with the sound of your own voice.
Site had smarter people here 2 o r 3 years ago; no it didn't ; I was here then, too.
If t heir assumption, (data, not assumption), is verifiable; "it's still horseshit". I think t he problem is that you just never learned to think logically; which is a very common problem. I'd be very interested to know what subset of what test it is you're "off t he chart on"; especially since there's no such thing as "off the chart"; and educated people don't speak this way.
so 3 quick junks. Anyone care to summon an argument? I'll listen - but you're in my wheelhouse, not yours, here.
Not your junker, but if we lived in the Australian outback during Mad Max times, the SAT would probably test for weapons proficiency and/or mohawk design creativity, but alas we have this. The SAT tests for those attributes that make people successful in our society, and the kids of those who did well are obviously more likely (genetically, statistically speaking) to do well than the kids of Jay Z.
I've got my kids learning how to make assless chaps just in case things go south.
We should talk. I have an in with David Lee Roth. Perfect spokesmodel for your kids' designs.
I didn't junk you; but what is the correlation between IQ and financial success ? did you look it up ? It's not high ? Is it low? what is it. It's a number, you know.
Wouldn't be surprised to learn jz's parents didn't go to harvard or yale.
Victim(hood rat), my ass...
I have to say Taint may be on to... the truth here. There's a reason why most poor people are poor. And that's because they don't think like the rich. They don't use their heads and spend time learning and improving themselves. This is also why you shouldn't listen to the Marxist leadership in this country and go after the rich to punish them for their success and give their wealth to the poor. Because the poor will, in short order, squander everything they are given while the rich, having the skills and the drive to win, will put themselves back on top either here or somewhere else.
I guess you are poor.
How's that saying "money can't buy happiness but will get you layed every time"?
Money buys credentials. No doubt about that.
People like you love to believe this kind of nonsense because you cannot stand the fact that other people are smarter than you are; much smarter. How do you buy an engineering degree at MIT? Hmm? How. be specific. Face it; you're just another fool.
Easy, money allows for tools (transportation, health care, and social moral), this also allows for a better foundation of education. Math is the best example because you need to learn its foundations without that you will not understand the puzzles.
Formula is just plugging in numbers like pushing buttons. SAT teaches you these vary buttons.
But then you know all of this. Right?
SAT doesn't teach you anything; it's a test. DUUH? this is like whipping puppies; I'm going to go t ake a nap.
You pay about 200,000 dollars.
You pay $200,000 and you get an engineering credential from MIT. How? who do you pay it to ? how is it going to keep you from failing the midterms and flunking out? Dont' you think at all ?
What, we expected the kids from the ghettos to score the highest?
Hopefully commie core educationz will give us the social justice we so desperately need!
And the biggest contributor to intelligence are your genetics.
Thinking what demos make up that low income bracket, well...i'll just leave it at that.
The truth is raciss!
"The SAT doesn't care about black people." —Kanye
The solution is simple:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal
When I was a Junior in High School, on a Wed. They announced that tomorrow we will be taking the PSAT. And next year we have to take the SAT to get into College. It was the first time I ever heard of either of them.
Thats some damning socialist speculation. Acorn grade bullshit.
Pick rich *white* parents. The race gap is much bigger than the income gap, such that black children in the over-$200,000 bracket just barely beat white children of the under-$20,000 bracket, and lose to all other white children:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2014/03/2008-sat-scores-by-race-by-income.html
Idiot; African Americans score at 85-90 as a group on standardized intelligence tests. Everyone who knows anything about this subject already knows the "race gap" is huge; and they know why. White brain size is larger than black brain size; did you really think race was "skin deep". A scientist can examine a skeleton and tell you what sex and race the person was.
male brain size is larger than female - yet it doesn't correspond to higher IQ.
Tell me something - have you ever studied neuroscience or neuropsych at all? And - to anticipate, no, I don't hold that all is environmental nor do I presuppose there are no ethnic or racial valid disparities on a test, but I feel like you don't know much about the topic and are taking a sort of Objetivist, a-scientific approach.
Assuming isn't proving.
Assuming isn't proving; no it certainly isn't. Look it up. Research t he subject. research the difference between Negroes and whites; which is much different than t he difference between males and females. If you use MRI; so you get t he actual brain size; t he correlation with IQ is 0.4. Of course, you have no idea what that means, either, so go look that up while you're at it.
You feel that I don't know much about t he subject ? did you feel t hat in your toe, or in your earlobe? Nobody cares what you feel; where is the evidence that I don't know much about this subject? Actually, I know quite a bit about this subject; I have an unfair advantage over you, I read books.
what a lame article. you dont score high because you're rich. you are rich because you score high,- because of your higher IQ which gets you your own business someday, or at least a better job. then you marry someone who is also intelligent and also perhaps going to be rich because he/she has higher intelligence genes and then they have kids with high IQs who then of course score high on their tests. its the opposite of the tylers' hypothesis
In other words - "Duh"
It's all in the genes.
Solution: Don't hang-out in the shallow-end of the gene pool...
Years ago many successful people never went to college. They got good factory or farm jobs. No one in my or my wife's family ever attend college. Most never graduated high school but all owned their own homes. Our two children were showered with awards and scholarships. One has a PhD and teaches college and the other is a corporate lawyer. Things have changed since the 1960's.
dup
I can see family wealth factoring in to performance in several ways, but it's not the only thing that can help.
I was from a dysfunctional working class family but lucky enough in the genetic lottery to be a high-funtioning aspie. I scored somewhere in the top 0.5% for that year, with no prep courses, no studying, and I stayed out late the night before at a party. I finished the test in half the time allotted and did not go back & check my answers. Got a 4 year scholarship for my score from the National Merit people.
So it's not all about money... though like in everything else, it certainly helps.
It's not about money at all. It's a horrible article. As you can see from your personal experience it's genetic. you won t he genetic lottery. but genetic traits have a tendency to follow through in families; and since one of the strongest correlations of IQ with anything; is general success in life, including; but not limited to, earning money, these traits tend to be passed on in families. The article which says something like, "money can buy you intelligence" is just too stupid to even reply to. As I'm sure you underst and.
The premise of this whole piece is that SAT scores=college admission=monied job=a good life. The implication by ZH commenters is that stupid=no money and no money=stupid. Yep, we got a loong way to go to revolution on this end of the board...
Good job now = work for the parasite, thug, gangster government.
The private sector has been gutted by Commies, Kleptos, and Fools.
I believe that the point is is (opps) that IQ can not be left out of the equasion. Do you believe that intelligence and success are not relational?
I'd say the ability to concentrate and adapt, are (2) of the greatest attributes human beings can have.
If one can concentrate, they have mastered their mind. They have the ability to absorb information/context, and also be aware of external influence.
Adaptation is an extention of concentration. It allows the individual the ability to apply the information they've absorbed in a meaningful way.
+100
But you left out one thing that I found to be just as important in testing well: being able to relax.
I agree. Concentration and relaxation, are two entirely different states of mind.
Combined, they are unstopable...
And I'm guessing that you figured out the true utility of being relaxed yourself.
Back in my college days, when other students were doing "last minute cramming" (a totally counter-productive activity), I would be off to a practice room to play piano for a while - something nice and soothing, letting myself flow with the music and my mind detach from everything else.
While I find it neat that many people do figure these things out independently over and over again, I also find it annoying that such obviously very effective techniques are treated by our "USA #1 education system" as if they didn't even exist - never mentioned, much less taught. (Though it's much more annoying that such useful tools as formal logic are not taught in gradeschool or highschool, and even in college are optional courses most will never take.)
Indeed ;-)
For you: Eno, Moebius, Roedelious "Old Land" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck-OLBQElro
Clearly, they're just not asking the right questions.
Los Angeles Math Test
I never studied in HS. Totally fucked off the entire time. Never picked up an ACT or SAT study guide. Scored well on both. Got an engineering degree from a Big 10 school. Public education is a sham. Sucess in college basically comes down to genetics and having a fairly decent and stable home environment.
Of course there is a lot of money involved in selling hope to the less fortunate.
" ...having a fairly decent and stable home environment. "
Hard to get your shit together when Mom has jumped ship and Dad is out banging hookers.
Hard to get your shit together when Dad has jumped ship and Mom is bringing home tricks.
Yep, but the lesson is that no amount of government intervention/expenditure is going to fix that shit. But they try.
Agree, Fred.
I was the kid in a nasty variation of those two scenarios above. That's the fucking sugar coated version...
..I scored pretty damned high on my SATs anyway.
Funny: I scored even higher when I took the test for $100 cash for an african american lawyer's son who went on to get an amazing scholarship with that score in his dark little hand. UNCF and affirmative action love a good SAT.
Last I heard he had followed hid Dad into the profession.
Good story. Good for you. I had to pay full freight for college. My dad made too much. I slopped dishes in the cafeteria, while the less fortunate kids got cushy/make-work jobs in the library where they could study at the same time. Finacial aid has made college unaffordable to most people today. Good old uncle sugar to the rescue.
so why is this either a surprise, or an injustice? really? all of the indignent please tell me?
so, supposing my parents were rich, would i not have better health care, better education, better exposure to more experiences in the world and the opportunity to learn?
i never studied in hs and blew the exams away. and i never learned anything in grade school either and was always first in the class.
my mother taught my R's at home, and my parents were middle class. i was allowed 1 hour of t.v. t.v. was nothing for me away from tossing the ball around in the backyard or reading books or even helping my mother do the groceries (which included as my exercise keeping track of what we spent and needed as we filled the cart) or helping her bake muffins.
want to see obama's scores? really? i can see them. he can't speak off the cuff. he can't speak. he was affirmative CIA action from day one, the manchurian candidate.
sorry guys. i love to see the minorities doing better. but get them to turn of the t.v. and have parents and family spend time together rather than worry about what lebron has as a hair style.
fuck off. there should be a test for stupidity. just like drivers license requires a sight test. fail the stupidity test, fuck off.
edit - i said this before, but now it is really time. watch me. i love z.h. it is the only intelligent medium that i am aware of, and like as being a child, i restrict my t.v. stupidity factor, which now means my internet factor.
one thing and one thing only. turn off the t.v. - if you need it to touch down on what is going on in the events you are surrounded by, to be in touch with the culture, fine.
but 'watching' t.v. - turn it off. it is really that simple.
The indignence comes from my money being taken to pay for programs that will not help one iota. Compulsory public education that benefits teachers and administrators and their political allies. Head Start, all day kindergarten. Lower student/teacher ratios. You know, bullshit stuff.
The real irony is that there is a determined effort to 'compensate' for inherent inequality by lowering standards for the 'disadvantaged.' You have less qualified people admitted to college because of efforts to include those who had less advantaged backgrounds but way too many of those students do not even try - they view their brief stay in college as an opportunity to party. Others TRY but they do not have strong enough backgrounds and rarely get the additional help they need. A few who are naturally talented DO manage to do well and benefit from these efforts but they seem to be in a minority.
I have seen this over and over again with my own children and those of friends. They come from an 'upper middle class ' community in NY with 'good' (but far from great) schools. Most are well prepared but compared to students from 'good' publilc schools down south and elsewhere they are FAR ahead academically. There's no comparison to inner city disasters.
But even here you have a good 15% who are barely getting by - their parents may not care, or are divorced or - who the hell knows? Some are just plain stupid while others are screw-ups spoiled by their parents and continually bailed out of trouble, never held accountable.
The students that do well have parents that ARE educated (though not necessarily at the best schools). Those parents CARE about education and made real efforts with their kids. You saw it early on - they read to their kids and continually interacted with them verbally. This was a real contrast those raised by ambivilent nannies or 'too busy' parents. But the overall 'culture' here still focuses on education and accomplishment. It is IMPORTANT to most. The competition to get into 'name' colleges is almost insane - those schools get far more QUALIFIED applicants than they can admit (be happy that they DO admit a range of students because the top schools COULD fill all their slots with students paying full freight.
And like it or not, genetics are a real factor - combined with educated parents that focus on learning and education, you have 'successful' children who are accomplished academically.
In contrast I saw not very educated or bright parents in the Bronx who were good parents and worked hard to send their kids to parochial schools because the public ones were bad. But they were starting out far behind and handicapped by an environment that did NOT value learning - even if they did.
Come on poor people. Work smarter not harder
You too can be management someday
Like hamsters on a wheel so turn the Days of Slaves Lives
Tune in tomorrow when Johnny says:
"Pops, WTF? These rich bitches are whack. You cain't out think 'em. You know what I'm sayin'. It's like they be supaman or sump'm."
We've got to figure out a way to even the SAT scores across the economic divides so that everyone gets the same score. Everyone must be equally qualified to get into Harvard. So what if that actually lowers the chance that you would get into Harvard.
Then we need to make sure everyone's income is equal so we can all afford to buy the same things.
Then we need to all become the same skin color; no exceptions. We will all be a light brown.
And finally, we cannot let anyone be "below average" anymore in this country, it's just not right.
Have you heard of the BDM test
It stands for Brilliant Determined Minds and is a globally recognized alternative to the SAT for the less fortunate
It's the mental equivalent of girl pushups for mental weaklings
Although not part of the marketing materials the inside joke is that BDM actually stands for Brain Dead Morons. And the whole program was created by one of the 1% to make more money off of them
it's sarc btw
T he standardized public school performance tests have had some un-intended consequences. Recently saw on U-Tube, picked from a Detroit TV program, that school students there are getting scores equal to cavemen, or morons, you can pick either descriptive; they used both in the broadcast. T hey had t he Black head of something or ot her on there to "splain its all"' but he couldn't even speak english.
Yes; that's the program, alright. it would be funny if it weren't so tragic. "no child left behind". Which of course means, no one damn well better get ahead of him, either. On my bad days, I don't think human beings can survive t heir own stupidity.
I scored 430 in English or was is Verbal.. and 610 in Math. : )
never did home work and had high 70's average. Didn't bother with college... Thought was I was smart and didn't need it, esp. since didn't want to be doc or lawyer.
I turned out incredible human experiance wise and financially doing just fine.
Good for you, Jason. Congrats.
The difference for you seems to suggest motivation, rather than checking off blocks and expecting a predetermined result.
We don't even need more college graduates; we need more certified welders, with math scores of 610; they're going to end up being the foreman and running the pipeline job. We're overrun with goddam lawyers; and we need to start shooting "environmental Scientists".
From Fair test-College Board's FAQ
Are standardized tests fair and helpful evaluation tools?
Not really. On standardized exams, all test takers answer the same questions under the same conditions, usually in multiple-choice format. Such tests reward quick answers to superficial questions. They do not measure the ability to think deeply or creatively in any field. Their use encourages a narrowed curriculum, outdated methods of instruction, and harmful practices such as grade retention and tracking.
http://www.fairtest.org/facts/whatwron.htm
^^Lol. It's the greatest predictor of success, whether it be success during college or the quality of employee you're hiring.
I once asked a low-level employee of mine what he got on his ACT. He said 19. I then advised him not to go back to school for a BS. So the trend may be to not look at test scores, but IMO this is just schools trying to widen their net to capture more dollars without screwing up their status. Now they can bring in the rich dingbat to pay full price and not worry about his low SAT score screwing up their rankings.
If you're goin 80 Miles per hour, how long would it take you to go 80 miles?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202517290999274
er >60 minutes?
In theory, Yen, in theory...
I think it really depends on whether or not you get pulled over for doing 80 in the 35 mile and hour zone.
ThroxxOfVron
Do you remember Dan Aykroyd in that movie, where he was mayor of Valkenvania?
"Nothing But Trouble" Chevy Chase & John Candy were in it.
LEO must use that as a "training video".
"...and that's why I never let a Banker go!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apjvf9YNzEM
lmao! Thanks for the clip.
I miss John Candy and Chris Farley. (Tommy Boy)
Akroyd's nose prosthetic looks waaaaay too much like a penis to have been anything but entirely purposeful.
That movie is a "cult classic".
I love all the ole "Saturday Night Live" tallent.
Not to worry; I'm sure there are plenty of stupid white people who couldn't answer correctly either.
Maybe like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cey35bBWXls
I love you guys. We gotta have a Z/H party soon.
I raise my glass to you, Sir.
A get together would be nice.
It ain
It isn't quite The Ritz, but my place is good for a bash.
I'll reserve you the pool table at passing out time, Yen.
Pool Shark can sleep under it...
A gentleman and Scholar you are. :-D
How did you know I like the top bunk?
Pool shark must be watching those Aussie employment numbers in 15 minutes?
11 min AUD Employment Change (Sep) 20.0K 121.0K
11 min AUD Full Employment Change (Sep) 14.3K
11 min AUD Participation Rate (Sep) 64.8% 65.2%
wrong. one hour. sixty minutes is no longer one hour at 80 miles an hour because of Relativity Effects. Admittedly, it's a tiny bit difficult to tell the difference. An engineer and a physicist were driving along a country road one day, and the engineer who wanted some conversation spoke to the physicist, who had been staring out of his window, and said; well, "it looks like those sheep have been sheared recently"; hoping that this was a non-controversial remark, referring to some sheep in a field they were passing. the Physicist thought about it for a minute and then replied; well, that appears to be the case, at least on this side. Supposedly, physicists like to check all the data, maybe they had only been sheared on one side which happened to be facing them.
You would not be traveling at all IF is not a fact. There for miles per hour doesn't exist.
But if you answered that question it would not be to the teachers liking and they would mark and F.
If is a conditional; the question is valid. you don't understand English grammar.
I do not believe the SAT is widely considered to be a meaningful measure of intelligence. Organizations like MENSA (for example) no longer accept SAT scores as criteria for admission.
SAT was never intended to measure intelligence; and since the test has been dumbed down now, twice, to improve the terrible scores of the black students, it can't be used against a standardized IQ test; which hasn't been tampered with.
Were any of you taught or did you teach yourself each subject. When did you start studying, or did you have someone hold your hand and show you how to do every little thing?
What as your attendance like?
I could go on but ive made my point.
It'll be illegal for rich folks to score higher than other "folks".
I can't wait for the headline..
It's a GOP conspiracy
A little misleading.
The stupid are breeding stupid...heck, even the rich now are breeding stupid. The affluent have the money to spend on tutors and such for the kids to have the questions and answers become memorized but I'dlike to see this graph mapped out going back to the first SAT to get more clear of a picture.
They also have better clothes, better cars, better teeth, better school supplies, better tutors, better drugs for 'cramming' and better bribing power when Daddy's a big booster.
What they can never attain is independence.