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The West Is Partly Responsible for the Ebola Crisis In Africa

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Everyone’s seen the stories …

Ebola has become an epidemic in Liberia and Sierra Leone because those West African countries don’t have the resources to cope with the disaster. This is largely true because both countries have been torn apart by war.

Wikipedia notes regarding Liberia … the epicenter of the Ebola crisis:

Under Taylor’s leadership, Liberia became internationally known as a pariah state due to the use of blood diamonds and illegal timber exports to fund the Revolutionary United Front in the Sierra Leone Civil War.

 

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The Liberian economy began a steady decline due to economic mismanagement following the 1980 coup. This decline was accelerated by the outbreak of civil war in 1989; GDP was reduced by an estimated 90% between 1989 and 1995, one of the fastest declines in history.

 

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Civil war strife ended in 2003 after destroying approximately 95% of the country’s healthcare facilities. In 2009, government expenditure on health care per capita was US$22, accounting for 10.6% of total GDP. In 2008, Liberia had only 1 doctor and 27 nurses per 100,000 people.

As to Sierra Leone, Wikipedia points out:

Government corruption and mismanagement of the country’s natural resources contributed to the Sierra Leone Civil War (1991 to 2002), which over more than a decade devastated the country. It left more than 50,000 people dead, much of the country’s infrastructure destroyed, and over two million people displaced as refugees in neighbouring countries.

But what most Westerners don’t know is that our governments are partly responsible for the war that ravaged those countries’ healthcare infrastructure.

Liberia

The Boston Globe reported in 2009:

Former Liberian president and accused war criminal Charles G. Taylor said today that his infamous prison break from the Plymouth County Correctional Facility in 1985 was aided by the US government …

Agence France-Presse noted in 2008:

A former Liberian warlord allied to Charles Taylor has told the country’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) that the United States released the strongman from jail in 1985 to engineer the overthrow of president Samuel Doe.

 

[Prince Johnson, now a Liberian senator] has already made allegations about Washington’s dubious role in the 1989 to 1997 war ….

 

Taylor and Johnson were allies in the early 1980s, but they later fell out, with Johnson forming a rival organisation to Taylor’s National Patriotic Front of Liberia (NPFL).

So both dictator Taylor – and his rival, a current Liberian Senator – testified that the U.S. broke Taylor out of jail.

In addition, the Boston Globe reported in 2012 that U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency documents confirmed that Taylor had CIA ties. Editors later largely retracted the story. However, other sources allegedly confirm it.

Sierra Leone

Taylor was instrumental in destroying Sierra Leone, as well …

As the Daily Mail wrote last year, Taylor was sentenced to 50 years in prison for his war crimes, crimes against humanity and terrorism in Sierra Leone:

The former president of Liberia was convicted by the Special Court for Sierra Leone (SCSL) on 11 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity, including terrorism, murder, rape and using child soldiers.

 
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The court’s ruling came more than a decade after Taylor helped rebels go on a murderous rampage across war-torn Sierra Leone, raping, murdering and mutilating tens of thousands of innocent victims.

 

Taylor had aided and abetted crimes committed by Revolutionary United Front and Armed Forces Revolutionary Council rebels, while knowing well the kinds of crimes they were committing.

 

Presiding Judge George Gelaga King said: ‘Their primary purpose was to spread terror. Brutal violence was purposefully unleashed against civilians with the purpose of making them afraid, afraid that there would be more violence if they continued to resist.’

 
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The court found Taylor provided crucial aid to rebels in Sierra Leone during that country’s 11-year civil war, which left an estimated 50,000 people dead before its conclusion in 2002.

 

Thousands more were left mutilated in a conflict that became known for its extreme cruelty, as rival rebel groups hacked off the limbs of their victims and carved their groups’ initials into opponents.

 

The rebels developed gruesome terms for the mutilations, offering victims the choice of ‘long sleeves’ or ‘short sleeves’ – having their hands hacked off or their arms sliced off above the elbow.

And it’s not just Taylor …

The Chicago Tribune reported in 2002:

The story of the American involvement in Sierra Leone is coming out in bits and pieces, but we can already see that the Clinton administration’s unrepentant policy there has been to empower one of the cruelest torturers and mass murderers of our times. And the story is far from over.

 

Let us focus first only on events in the spring of 1999: Foday Sankoh, whose savage Revolutionary United Front movement had massacred thousands and cut off the limbs of thousands more, had been arrested by Nigerian peacekeeping troops. Finally, he was in the hands of the at least nominally decent government in Sierra Leone. The long-suffering Sierra Leoneans, whose country had been a moderately prosperous former British colony, prayed that the worst was over.

 

But instead of insisting upon justice, President Clinton placed a now-famous phone call to Sankoh and persuaded him to enter a “peace accord.” The psychopathic Sankoh was told kindly by the American president that he could soon run for president! In the meantime, he would share power in the government and, supposedly, disarm his savage and often drugged teenaged troops, many of whom were ushered into the movement by being forced to kill their parents.

 

There was more to come. While taking Sankoh out of jail, where he was to be executed, the U.S. administration also refused to seriously support the UN-sponsored Nigerian troops because they had engaged in some minor “human-rights abuses.” The administration further refused to allow mercenaries, like the South African Executive Outcomes, to defeat Sankoh’s movement.

 

Thus, the only two groups that had the effective power to settle the situation were held back by this odd Clintonesque purism, while a homicidal killer went free. Once loosed again upon his people, Sankoh broke all of his promises –and what even reasonably rational person could not have predicted that? He called his latest convulsion of killing and maiming “Operation No Living Thing.” But now he is under arrest again–and the Clinton people have still another chance!

 

So the president sent the Rev. Jesse Jackson to West Africa to “mediate.” Before he left for Sierra Leone, he compared Foday Sankoh’s murderous RUF to Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress in South Africa, which fought for and gained equality for all South Africans. Sankoh, Jackson said sagely, could play a “positive role.”

 

Jackson traveled first to Liberia, which neighbors Sierra Leone, to meet with his “friend,” the other unspeakable dictator of West Africa, Charles Taylor. Once there, Jackson praised Taylor, who is responsible both for the terrible bloodletting in his own country as well as in Sierra Leone, as someone who could play a “very positive role” (please note that his role is slightly upgraded from Sankoh’s)

Guinea

The brutality and war brought by Charles Taylor also spilled over into Guinea … the third West African country hit with Ebola. Indeed:

Combatants from Sierra Leone and Liberia inevitably attacked border communities in neighboring Guinea in 1999-2000, pushing the violence into that otherwise peaceful country.

Hundreds of thousands of refugees also flooded into Guinea to escape the wars in Liberia and Sierra Leone:

Guinea remains the primary asylum country for West Africa’s refugees. Refugee influxes during the 1990s were so overwhelming that, for several years, Guinea hosted the largest refugee population on the continent. Some 120,000 Liberian and up to 50,000 Sierra Leonean refugees continued to reside in Guinea as of July 2003.

And the destruction of infrastructure in Sierra Leone means that people with Ebola are crossing the border into Guinea.

The big picture: All of the countries which the U.S. tinkers with descend into chaos.

 

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Thu, 10/09/2014 - 13:06 | 5309263 MeelionDollerBogus
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BOH-ring.

Wake me up when a radiation-tolerant strain comes around so we can call it Fukshibola.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:48 | 5308563 LFMayor
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Wow.  A concern blog ARTICLE, not just a concern troll.

Me.  I DID IT GEORGE!   I'm fucking responsible for it all, from raping babies to cure aids, to building codes that extoll the virtues of cow shit as a material, to hunger.

All those flies, sucking tears from the kids crusty little yellow tinged weeping eyes! 

I done it.

Fuck, just ask my ex wife, she'll affirm it for you.

P.S.  You wanna know how I spread all this juice that I use?  Contrails!!!!111!!!!

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:39 | 5308513 russwinter
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Nigeria holds the key and is being misreported: 

http://winteractionables.com/?p=15422

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 13:30 | 5309405 hardcleareye
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Can you please provide the links that show that Sorros and Gates funded the Kenema Government Hospial??????  I really would like to see it if that information (not hearsay) is out on the web... 

I had find my tinfoil hat half way through reading the link you provided.....lol  (I keep it handy when reading the blog postings at ZH)....

Here is how the Kenema Government Hospital is being reported in fairly conservative non main stream media...

http://www.nature.com/news/infectious-disease-ebola-s-lost-ward-1.15990

Yes there is research going on... Yeah you could argue it is for bio-weapons and refinements....  but it could also be spun that it is to help find a way to stop it.....  time will tell.  Note many of the people working on the "project" at that site have died of ebola.... 

 

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:58 | 5307966 esum
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bullshit

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:18 | 5308378 forwardho
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Agree.

GW, Wikipedia is consensus truth.

To use that source to base your arguments on is flawed logic.

Africa was a barbaric land long before any "western" power arrived. Human life means nothing in Africa.

If you had ever been there, or known any history of that land, this apologist tripe would not have been written.

P.S. Thank you so much for the many, many informative articles on the Fukushima nightmare that would have gone unreported but for your time. Those articles are based on truth, not populist BS.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:49 | 5307876 loonyleft
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reading comprehension....it's not for everyone.

I believe the article says:

The West Is Partly Responsible for the Ebola Crisis In Africa

PARTLY, and then goes on to back up that statement. Of course Africa is MOSTLY responsible for the Ebola Crisis in Africa.

Everyone who is trying to argue their points by saying that the article is saying, the west is responsible for ALL of it are just setting up straw men. 

It is a valid point that interefering in situations can have unintened consequences. This is one.

PS: The US has never been and never will be the Police of the world. The US, as all countries, act in their own interest and bring down dictators and democracies in one area and ignore them in others, all to further the interest of the US. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:21 | 5308399 forwardho
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Jesus was partly responsible for the crusades.

Same flawed logic.

Africa is Africa, It cannot be judged by outside standards.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:39 | 5307861 sam site
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The CDC has two patents on the Ebola virus because they funded it's development.  It's just another tool like false flag terror events to manipulate the masses with fear by our EU Organized Crime hidden rulers through their Jesuit, Masonic and Zionist agents. 

Clinton was a puppet like all US presidents to this EU criminal group that took over America in the 1913 Fed Act.  If you step out of line you or your family get murdered or suicided.  All our politicians are bribed and they and their families are threatened with death.  

See what happened when House banking chairman Louis McFadden asked congress to join him in the arrest of the Fed for stealing Ameriva's gold, causing the 30s depression, and shipping it to Europe (to fund Hitler and WW2).  This from the congressional record.

Banking Chairman Louis McFadden's call for the Fed's arrest fell on deaf ears as the congress was scared shitless to challenge our hidden rulers.  McFadden was assassinated on their third attempt three years later in 1936.

http://www.afn.org/~govern/mcfadden.html 

 

Don't believe there are 10 Roman families controlling the West in secret through their army of agents.  See this

Eric Phelps - The Real Powers Behind The NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEEZUU1kDzU

 

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:54 | 5307688 NoPension
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I use a very scientific and well proven method to judge.

My eyes. And yes, I am aware the human brain can play tricks.

That being said, EVERYWHERE I look , anywhere on the planet , at any time in history, if Blacks run the show, it's fucked up.

You can spend your time trying to explain it away, until your head explodes. But it won't change the facts on the ground. I don't know or care why ( I have my theories, I'll keep the postulations to myself), it doesn't matter.

It is what it is. Plan accordingly.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:06 | 5307558 Rikeska
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Maybe if they would stop eating delicious bats and wash their hands now and then?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 06:53 | 5307553 GoldIsMoney
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To some extend this surely is true. But it's disputable from where the corruption really has spreade. Was it "exported" or was it just "supported"?

 

Just a few questions one might ask. Why do all the failed states to have had their own central bank? One idea which springs to my mind is to finance corrupt regimes. And by any means of corriuption the est has dumped trillions of money directly or indirectly. The west also has closed it's borders for goods from this countries. Fact is also that the financing was for everyone, even the worst dictators. So yes the west has taken it's part.

But overall the killing etc and the states itself were "lead" by their own people. AFAIKT they did not do anything goood but themselves, in the west the is the slight chance that what is yours will be yours tomorrow. This gurantee was more times broken in Africa then elswhere in the world.

So stealing and corruption is an unfortunate way of live and all the means are in the hands of the corrupt elites which do get support from our corrupt elites. So they surely are fucked up at least twice. Getting killed, robbed, murdered, raped from their own people and those rapers, murderers etc do get pay from mostly our politicians in one of the other way. We are "just"  blessed with mostly our wrong doers, we here in Germany may get messed up also by the EUcrats and surely to some part of the US elites, but that is obviously much more bearable then to get fucked up from everyone...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 05:39 | 5307482 Leraconteur
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I cannot help myself, I am a victim of my impulses! I must kill my citizens, destroy their medical care, I cannot control it! It is the Americans who are to blame! I must be a dictator, I cannot help it, I have no control over what I say, what I do, what orders I give, what policies I enact, what decrees I hand down.

The above is the attitude of a child.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 05:32 | 5307471 Aremo
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Oh look! Another blame whitey for all of black Africas problems.  How avante guarde.  Blacks kill, rape, burn, pillage, and plunder each other but it it it it it IT BE WHITEYS FAULT!!! WE BE FLYIN' FO DEM WHITE DEVILS SHOWS UP!!!  I assume Zimbabwe will be a haven for Ebola as well and soon and who destroyed the economy there?  That be whiteys fault also?  How about we call a spade a spade (pun intended) and realize that blacks need to solve their own problems and that whites can't do it for them. The jaboonery on display in Africa isn't caused by whites.  Whites did not advise that Liberian blacks raid hospitals, deny ebola exists, then insist on bringing sick people home with them to spread the disease before dying. They do not put up billboards saying to eat contaminated monkey meat, that's all on the residents.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 03:24 | 5307366 RTUT
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Garbage, all, apparently written by a 'blame America', twisted kook.  American is responsible for all Ills merely because we exist and our economic system has proven to be the most successful in history.  We are responsible, partly or in total if we didn't do something or if we did something.  Here we are risking American lives to help and along comes another blogger with another PC rant.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 02:20 | 5307311 rockface
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Explain South Africa and Zimbabwe to us.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 22:59 | 5306972 tony bonn
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george, for once in 5 years i finally will tell you to go fuck yourself. the ebola outbreak is 100% western caused and specifically by the bill and melinda gates foundation, george soros, and dr eric pianka of the university of tx who got a standing ovation in 2006 when he called for the murder of 90% of the world's population.

cdc owns 4-5 patents on ebola. why? to wipe out 90% of the world's population the way gates, soros, pianka, and the rothschilds, and rockefellers, and bush crime syndicate want. it is that simple. and if ebola doesn't kill you, the vaccine will and it will line bill gates' poclets even more. he is a total piece of shit.

the us pulled some of its troops out of the middle east which infuriated the genocidal terrorist butchers of israel. so they retaliated.

israel has also placed nukes in 25 us cities. ebola is the first retaliation. next will be the nukes. 130 treasonous congressmen know about it and are saying nothing.

the carriers with ebola were deliberately let into the us. it was not incompetence, a snafu, an accident. it was pre meditated murder!

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 22:23 | 5306808 YHC-FTSE
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I can understand those who throw flippant remarks about Africans  taking care of themselves, but knowing a little bit about the last 100yrs of financial policies towards African countries by Western banks who have forced (I use that word literally) them into a hand-to-mouth existence by giving them short term loans, I am not going to argue against GW's well made points either. Add to that our foreign policies,  colonial control, corruption and assassinations of anyone remotely capable of acting sanely in power in Africa and we have a recipe for disaster that we cannot deny was cooked up on our shores.

Anyway,  I live in a heavily populated city in Europe which means that I have no choice but to prepare for the possibility of being infected. It is quite possible to survive ebola with symptomatic treatment and since the chances of getting zmapp is zero, I've gone the route of getting broad antivirals, pain killers,  IV drips, & dehydration salts for home treatment since the hospitals are bound to be overwhelmed. It won't hurt me to OD on vitamins too for the time being. Hope everyone else has similar preparations and family protocols in place, just in case. 

It may just burn itself out like the previous outbreaks, but alarm bells are ringing for me when I look at the way the authorities are handling this disease. One group is screaming at the world to do something quick about curbing the spread and another group is busy facilitating its spread by keeping the ports open and giving false assurances. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:29 | 5308447 forwardho
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A realistic veiw, and personal responsibility.

How refreshing!

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 21:04 | 5306536 Reaper
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Blame or responsibility assigns a major role to one or more prior acts. If a man stabs his mother-in-law to death, who is to blame? His wife; the knife; the man who sold the knife; his parents for his moral upbringing; his prior bad day at work; the rainy weather; her nagging; her ugly face; a voice in the man's head; or, the acts of a god? All events can be the accumulation of prior events or totally without prior cause. Assigning blame is making a choice which may advance one's prior assumptions.
Yes, US tinkering usually has unexpected results around the world. Tinkering a contributing cause of the ebola epidemic? Yes. The main cause of the ebola epidemic? Case unproven.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 20:42 | 5306435 q99x2
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Obola did it. 

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 19:47 | 5306165 alexcojones
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Master of the Universe +1.

And trolls hold down paying jobs on the Internet.

Trolling blogs helps Trolls pay off student loans. So, Trolls help the economy. Trolls argue the other side, not very good, of course. Trolls help sociopaths and support their lonely efforts to increase power and tyranny.

Without trolls, life as we know it would cease to exist.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 19:47 | 5306154 williambanzai7
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Check out the book Man after Man then think about what direction artificial selection is leading mankind...

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 21:40 | 5306627 Mediocritas
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Looks like a fun read, I'll put it on the list. I don't think SkyNet endorses it though.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 20:45 | 5306442 q99x2
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Galapagos is one of my favorite books.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 19:04 | 5305939 SocialismIsCancer
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I confess, I created ebola, indirectly, by praying to the gods to send a pestilence to punish humans for their innumerable sins, including disgustingly overpopulating, reckless environmental destruction, outrageously immoral & corrupt politicians, epidemic mythological cult worshiping and using government to spread mythological cult rituals & dogma, and the subsidizing of socialist parasites by stealing and redistributing the earnings of the productive & successful combined with absurd levels of debt.

My prayers were answered !!!

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:56 | 5305918 SocialismIsCancer
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You trying to convince us that jews did not do this ???

Tony Wilson is going to be after you !!!

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:46 | 5305864 AGuy
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African Healthcare has been none existent, since well the dawn of Man. Ebola is linked to bush meat, primary bats (Yes there are tribes that eat bats). Ebola is spread as the tribes folk seek treatment or outsiders that trade with the tribes. Also recall that many other diseases have origin from Africa, AIDs, cholera, malaria, etc. Africa is not only the birthplace of humans, but also many diseases.

Africa has been ruled by war lords since the time the Egyptian empire was the most technological in the world. That said the US should have never got involved in Africa Peace keeping. We can't be the worlds policeman, and the odds are that we will frack it up worse.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:35 | 5307844 DukeDog
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Wed, 10/08/2014 - 22:36 | 5306863 jerry_theking_lawler
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and...we should've picked our own cotton.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 19:38 | 5306113 I need Another Beer
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1000 up votes for Guy. Hit the bulls eye dude

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 21:23 | 5306611 Missing_Link
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Agreed.  More thoughtful, fact-based posts like this one, please, and fewer partisan hacks/trolls like GW.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:39 | 5305824 queenbee
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No one started anything. Not Bush or Obama ar any other POTUS. It is a freak of nature as are all viruses. A lot of different circumstance occured to create this. None of which you have any control over. Step back a minute and think "shit this is a dangerous world we live in and no one is in control." Since God is a man made construct you can't even blame him. When a real airborn plague comes, you will know it. This is just a crash on the side of the road and you are slowing down traffic to take a look.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:27 | 5305769 alexcojones
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Riddle me this, Batman: WHY would the CDC own a patent on Ebola?

Why doesn't the MSM ask that question?

Wonder how many presstitutes will embed with the 4,000 lab rats, I mean US servicemen, sent to the Hot Zone?

White House Reporter After Ebola Press Conference: “We’re Screwed”
Wed, 10/08/2014 - 21:11 | 5306556 Grouchy Marx
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Patent number? 

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 22:45 | 5306891 George Washington
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CA2741523A1

I'm not weighing in one way or the other on the conspiracy theory. I'm just providing the patent number for you.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:14 | 5305691 NOZZLE
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Oh yeah, we caused this, of course, we backed the tin horn dictators who destroyed the health care system.

THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM CREATED BY DOCTOR BONE THRU THE FUCKING NOSE, YOU MEAN THAT HEALTH CARE SYSTEM?

These things that some of you charitably call humans, yeah sure Clarence Thomas, Allen West and a handful of others are exceptions strictly because they have Caucasian blood, never had a health care system. PERIOD.  THEY, LIKE OBANGO, WERE BORN IN HUTS MADE OF COMPACTED ANIMAL SHIT.  

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 17:56 | 5305612 Bumbu Sauce
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The average IQ among these countries is in or near the imbecile range.  You shouldn't be surprised at the squalor and tyranny they live under.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:07 | 5305662 George Washington
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Welcome:

 

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:33 | 5305807 Minge
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Weak sauce, posting someone's longevity as a defense against their point.  I think you suck and you can feel free to post my stats.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 05:25 | 5307463 ebear
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Fuck these old farts. This place is worse than the Teamsters Union.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:34 | 5305816 Bumbu Sauce
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I interpreted it as surrender to any argument.  Or a genuine welcome.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 18:43 | 5305850 Radical Marijuana
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I regard it as one of George Washington's standard replies to stupid trolls.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 05:25 | 5307460 ebear
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.....said the most tiresome comment blogger on this site.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 19:49 | 5306130 Minge
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"Stupid trolls" is such a subjective identifier.  What if some of us think that GW is a stupid troll, only with a podium from which to shout??

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 19:04 | 5305948 MASTER OF UNIVERSE
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Being a stupid troll myself I think I got the same reply from GW when I read my first article a number of months ago. Why is everyone down on trolls so much? What would the Internet be without a few good trolls? Trolls are fun and creative compared to non-trolls. GW likes trolls just as much as the rest of us do. Trolls have rights like non-trolls and democracy was built for trolls to have their place at the table too. Trolls made America what it is today and if it were not for trolls populations and whole families would not exist. Long live the trolls IMHO. Trolls make the world go round

while the non-trolls are sleeping or too drunk to put one foot on the floor when they drink and pass out.

Wed, 10/08/2014 - 19:49 | 5306170 Minge
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Here's an article from yesterday (from the ever-evil Bloomberg) that supports your well-said points.

 

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-10-07/i-m-an-internet-troll-a...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 05:53 | 5307496 ebear
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Good article.  

ZH doesn't come close to the level of malevolent trolling that tends to shut down dialogue on other sites.  Reason?  There is no dialogue here.   What you have is a series of monologues.  Don't believe me?   Try and get a discussion going on one of the (far too) many topics posted and you'll see.  Two days later you're talking to an empty room because everyone else is off to the next big thing.

The format doesn't help either, but that's not an obstacle so much as a hindrance.  Fact is, most people here aren't interested in dialogue. They just like the sound of their own voice.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:43 | 5308531 forwardho
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For goodness sake, ZH has Chatrooms for realtime exchange of ideas. Just look at the bottom righthand side of page.

People are there right now.

P.S. If you have thin skin, or poor logic...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 06:04 | 5307502 TruthInSunshine
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I agree about the format not lending itself well to uninterrupted, on topic discussion & dialogue.

I admittedly often place posts where I do specifically b/c I know that they'll be drowned out in a sea of comments if I don't do so.

However, part of this is attributable, also, to the fact that ZH gets a ton of page views, article& op-ed reads, and commentary (some of these individual articles/op-eds draw over 100,000 reads and 1,000 comments in less than 24 hours - sometimes in less than half that time; these are the types of numbers that The New York Times would like to see).

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