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Black Teen Shot At 17 Times, Killed By White Cop Just Miles Away From First Ferguson Shooting

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Here we go again.

Exactly two months after the deadly shooting of Michael Brown by a local police officer in Ferguson, MO, it is time for the sequel. Overnight, in nearly the same spot as the Brown shooting, a white off-duty policeman shot and killed a black teenager in St Louis, officers said, triggering a night of protests just miles from the site of another police shooting of another black youth in the suburb of Ferguson.

Reuters has the details: police said the 18-year-old was armed and fired three shots while he was being chased by the officer, and they had recovered a gun at the scene.  The youth was killed almost two months to the day since sometimes violent protests erupted in Ferguson after a white police officer shot dead unarmed black 18-year-old Michael Brown.

In Wednesday's shooting, the dead man was one of three people who fled after being approached by the officer, a six-year veteran of the department who was working for a private security company, St. Louis Metropolitan Police Chief Sam Dotson said.

Now, one can debate police excess, and while a cop shooting once, twice or three times at an alleged assailant may seem somewhat reasonable, lobbing off 17 shots (which means stopping to reload) is probably a little excessive! 

The officer, who was wearing his city police uniform, fired 17 shots at the teenager, police added.

To summarize: cops say Myer was armed but witnesses say he was only holding a sandwich when he was tased, fell over & then was shot at 17 times of which "only" three hit.

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A crowd of around 200 gathered at the scene in the south St. Louis neighborhood of Shaw, 11 miles (18 km) south of Ferguson. Many of the protesters marched to a major thoroughfare, partially blocking traffic and chanting "Whose streets? Our streets?" as a police helicopter hovered overhead.

Teyonna Myers, 23, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper that she was the cousin of the suspect and that he was unarmed when he was killed.

"He had a sandwich in his hand, and they thought it was a gun. It's like Michael Brown all over again," she told the paper. Police have not named the teenager.

And then the riots began. "At one point, about a dozen people punched and kicked two occupied police vehicles, one that was marked and another that was unmarked. Demonstrators then broke the back window of a marked police vehicle. None of the protesters, some of whom were from Ferguson, had been arrested by the early hours of Thursday, police chief Dotson told a news conference."

"I think the department showed a tremendous amount of restraint," Dotson said.

He probably wasn't referring to the 17 shots fired earlier.

The officer, who was not hurt, has been placed on administrative leave and an investigation was under way, police said.

 

St Louis' historic Shaw district has a relatively low crime rate - as of September, there had been no homicides this year and just five cases of aggravated assault, according to police crime statistics.

 

In Ferguson, a grand jury is expected to decide next month whether to bring criminal charges against police officer Darren Wilson, who shot dead Michael Brown on Aug. 9.

 

Brown's death triggered weeks of sometimes violent protests, prompting the governor at one point to summon the National Guard.

And in other news, the riots which died down over the past two months, may be set for a violent comeback: "Missouri authorities are drawing up contingency plans and seeking intelligence from other police departments around the country, fearing that fresh riots could erupt if a grand jury does not indict Wilson."

Per Twitter reports, the casualty is 18 year-old Vonderrick Myer.

 

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Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:47 | 5307665 kowalli
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mission accomplished

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:54 | 5307683 achmachat
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don't know what kind of sidearms cops use over there... but does that mean he actually reloaded?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:56 | 5307692 linniepar
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They are desperate for civil unrest so they can use their MRAPs.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:07 | 5307731 mvsjcl
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Pull your trigger finger back 17 times. Man, that takes a while!

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:13 | 5307764 thatthingcanfly
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It takes less than two seconds. No reloading necessary if he was carrying a 9mm Glock 22 or Springfield XD, either of which have that kind of magazine capacity.

You don't realize until you're in a dynamic crisis situation like that how powerful your fight or flight response is. This cop probably kept squeezing the trigger 20 more times after his mag was already empty and his slide had locked back. No shit.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:15 | 5307774 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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18 year old kneegro should be sleepin at 2:00 a.m. just sayin.......

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:27 | 5307821 remain calm
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Perfect another excuse to steal free shit, let the looting begin. We deserve it.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:33 | 5307847 Wolferl
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Police kills you at will, police takes your property at will and you are not even a criminal. What a nightmare state the US has become.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:40 | 5307858 negative rates
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This won't end well.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:40 | 5307862 Slave
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First click bait bullshit of the day. I don't like cops but I'm not about to side with these out of control monkeys.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:45 | 5307886 Karlus
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Hands up! Don't shoot!

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:54 | 5307942 Sweet Chicken
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17 rounds in two seconds? Bullshit. I'm trained and that's just plain fucking ridiculous. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:11 | 5308021 Slave
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<--- Ferguson hood spiraling out of control

<--- Ferguson police department spiraling out of control

Why does this shit keep happening in Ferguson?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:54 | 5308254 somecallmetimmah
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"Why does this shit keep happening in Ferguson?"

Anarchy is attractive to anarchists.  Unfortunately for anarchists (mostly delusional 18 year-olds), genuine anarchy is much more unpleasant than their boner-driven fantasies.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:34 | 5308485 MarsInScorpio
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For those of you supporting the assailant, GFY.

 

You fire 3 times at a cop - expect to die.

 

I'm fed up with the Black and Hispanic racists - they are out-of-control animals who think that the color of their skin gives them special privileges to commit crimes and do whatever else they want to do without penalty.

 

Enough.

 

It's time to shut down the racists - no matter what color the skin.

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Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:02 | 5308583 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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Poverty and disparity are what gives rise to crime and gang culture. It has nothing to do with ethnicity. Instances of violent crime will be notably higher in an all-white trailer park community than they will be in an all-white upper-middle class community, just the same.

Doing something about poverty and inequality automatically translates into doing something about criminality. But like so many on the right, you are focused on symptoms rather than on causes.

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:18 | 5308737 Rubbish
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Concealed weapon for sure, young man had chewed the piece of cheese into what looked like a 9mm in the sammy.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:35 | 5312788 7.62x54r
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Yup.

Sandwich must be the new street slang for a stolen 9mm pistol.

http://bearingarms.com/suspect-shot-st-louis-officer-stolen-weapon/

And if some asshole fired 3 shots at me, I would empty my pistol into him ... and I also have 17 rounds of 9mm in my magazine.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:20 | 5308753 tradebot
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"Doing something about poverty and inequality automatically translates into doing something about criminality. But like so many on the right, you are focused on symptoms rather than on causes."

 

Yea...get a f-in job like the rest of us.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 12:11 | 5309002 buyingsterling
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Claptrap. Tell all of that to the Vietnamese boat people. This problem is genetic and cultural. It affects blacks virtually universally.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 15:06 | 5310034 Dangertime
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The FBI crime statistics would disagree with you there.

 

Your suggestion is essentially to take money from those who earned it and give it to the unearned, in order to prevent crime.

 

I prefer we just hold criminals accountable for being uncivilized.  Get a job, lose the envy, and stop bitching if you don't have the skills which other people have.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 12:57 | 5309221 Alvin Fernald
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Anarchy means also no rulers. And yes it is attractive to free-minded people.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:26 | 5308432 Dr Strangemember
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It happens in Ferguson because the media is focused on it.  When they go home, you'll never hear about that shithole again.  Media'z gotta repert sumtin.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:44 | 5308540 Guinny_Ire
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It's not even close to Ferguson, it's the other side of the city. Think of St. Louis being shaped like a horseshoe, with the closed part being the city and out towards the end of the legs of the horseshoe being the county. Ferguson is on the Northside and just in the county. Shaw is on the south side and in the city. The neighborhoods physically don't resemble each other other. Both have good and bad spots to live in. Much of the crime in the Shaw area goes unreported as small stuff doesn't get covered ie your house/apt gets robbed, your car gets broken into, etc. Some beautiful old mansion homes in the area as well as 4 and 4 family duplexes.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:14 | 5308036 Save_America1st
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From another website...some chant ideas for the basketball Americans when they go out and burn down their community tonight:

"Don't Shoot Me, It's Just A BLT!"

"Stop Da Shootin', It's Just A Reuben!"

"Don't Fire That AK, It's Just A Subway"!

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:26 | 5308104 loonyleft
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That's like only 500 rounds per minute. no problem. 

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:51 | 5308216 USisCorrupt
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I am confused Submarine Sandwich or was it a Submachine Gun?

 

The CIA is now in St.Louis just how they were in Kiev, Syria, Libia and Iraq making things safe.

 

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:13 | 5308351 Bastiat
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Ditto

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:38 | 5308503 thatthingcanfly
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Sweet Chicken, it's not ridiculous; and if you think it is, then you are definitelty NOT well trained. 

You need to go learn some more about your topic before shooting your mouth off.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:38 | 5308762 Sweet Chicken
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Let's head to the range and compare results. Can 17 rounds be fired in 2 seconds? Sure it's possible. Accurately while in a live fire fight? Only the most well experienced and highly trained. What's your point again? My point was that this officer did not fire 17 rounds in 2 seconds. 

 

EDIT: Here's an example of how fast 17 rounds in 2 seconds looks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9B24EL9lI0

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 13:28 | 5309394 thatthingcanfly
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Nobody said the 17 rounds were fired in 2 seconds ACCURATELY. Undoubtedly the cop was all over the map. He's no SF operator - he probably has never fired his weapon outside a range before this incident.

My point is that, given the circumstances, it is entirely possible that he emptied his mag in 2 seconds (or 3, maybe) during his adrenaline rush, and scored only 3 hits. This sounds pretty normal for this type of situation. There are some on this thread who apparently have never fired a gun before in their lives, claiming "Seventeen rounds! No way. Police brutality! Sounds excessive." No it is not.

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 13:42 | 5309465 Sweet Chicken
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Spraying and praying while you empty your entire magazine without thought of your backstop is wreckless. Supporting this kind of negligent behaviour is perposterous and nowhere near the realm of responsibly discharging your weapon. 

 

EDIT: Plus I HIGHLY doubt the officer was able to get off that many rounds in such a short time span and as I said, if he did he was negligent in doing so. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 14:49 | 5309931 thatthingcanfly
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It's "reckless."

And I never said I was "supporting" his behavior. It's completely understandable to me that something like this can happen, because I understand how human nature compels people under such circumstances to act. It takes a lot of training to counteract the natural impulses that would cause one to "spray and pray" in a dynamic crisis situation; and these cops are so busy writing frivolous speeding tickets that they don't have time to put in that kind of training. These cops are not SF operators.

You can't put a normal person in an exceptional situation and expect him to respond like Dick Marcinko every time. In reality, most normal people will not "rise to the occasion." If one of those shots happened to hit granny walking in the background, then yep, he'd be facing negligent homicide charges - maybe. Sad as that would be, it's easy to see how these things DO HAPPEN because of the way a human being normally reacts to life-threatening influences.

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 15:20 | 5310112 Sweet Chicken
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Your post proves my point. They're not trained well enough to get off that many shots in that amount of time. That is all I was referring to in my original post. Possible? Sure. Likely? Not even close. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 15:54 | 5310273 COSMOS
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Have you seen how big these thugs are these days.  Heck yeah you need that many shots to put them down.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 16:24 | 5310440 thatthingcanfly
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Your post proves mine. More training = LESS shots fired. And you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 15:09 | 5310045 Dangertime
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Staying out til 2am shooting at cops is reckless too.

 

But I suppose that's the racist part of me talking.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:20 | 5308747 SilverRhino
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That's Jerry Miculek fast.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:47 | 5307900 SWRichmond
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they're not monkeys you fucking douchebag we're human beings.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:54 | 5307943 LasVegasDave
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Humans?  Really?

http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?402965-And-we-have-a-theme-...!

 

I guess the po-po showed those damned savages whose streets they were.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:02 | 5307991 SWRichmond
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I am a longtime reader of goldismoney and a few of its offshoots, and the trolls showed up there, too, in an obvious and concerted effort to discredit the site with obviously bigoted postings (jews, blacks, etc). 

So tell me, how is that government-issued "online persona management software" working for you?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:36 | 5308496 MarsInScorpio
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SWR:

 

OK, they are humans acting like animals . . .

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Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:44 | 5308858 Titus
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@SWRichmond

It's been getting bad lately. I posted this article before, it's got tremendous insight into the problem:

http://www.commondreams.org/hambaconeggs

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:07 | 5308687 Overfed
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I wonder how many posters on Chimpout and similar sites are FBI agents or CIs.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:51 | 5308889 Titus
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Or Hasabra. The goal is to create chaos and make the community seem bigoted. When factual stories come up on zerohedge and the community gets behind them, such as Israel violating international law, genociding palistinians, and stealing land, the site communitating the facts can be branded as "racist", therefore discrediting those communicating facts that the Hasabra doesn't want out.

In the US cult of political correctness, yelling racist is the same as yelling witch in Salem a few hundered years ago.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:07 | 5308010 Slave
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Then you should tell "your people" to start acting like it.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:25 | 5308076 Pool Shark
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Exactly. The same way other races refuse to tolerate the thugs who merely share their skin color.

You want to stand up and identify yourself with the animals; get ready to be treated like one.

If you're a decent human being Richmond, you should no more identify with this dead thug than I do with Charles Manson.

 

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:40 | 5308149 Pool Shark
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btw, Richmond,

I realize the facts are inconvenient, but if I were black, I'd be more concerned with being murdered by members of my own race:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/bvvc.pdf

 

93% of black homicide victims are murdered by someone of their own race.

 

So when are you going to go on a rant over black on black violence?...

 

 

 

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 12:58 | 5309217 Uncle Remus
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That would be rayciss.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:43 | 5308178 ThirdWorldDude
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"This dead thug?"

Jumping into conclusions or believing PD's press announcement? Either way you're a dumb fucking idiot, 'cause your divided-and-conquered mentality is exactly what TPTB want from you.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 20:06 | 5311607 SWRichmond
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Exactly my point.  Regardless of race, we are all human beings.  I have caught tge government and the MSM in lies so many times I no longer believe anything tgey say or report because it is all self-serving.  If it werent self-serving they wouldnt report it.

Wanna know something that IS true?  In these cases, the violence didnt start until the police showed up.

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:42 | 5308175 MrTown3
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Have you done a fucking thing about the savages on wallstreet? Of course not you fucking hypocritical coward ass racist piece of shit. STFU. Have you done anything about the savages that roam to and fro across the planet raping resources from other cultures leaving disease and depleted uranium as they continue to tear apart countries for profit? Of course not. Shut the fuck up with that bullshit you old white limp dick bastard.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:21 | 5308393 LasVegasDave
Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:26 | 5308427 inhibi
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Yeah its hilarious when people point to black violence as being mostly among themseles. NO SHIT!! The poor fuck with the poor, because if you fuck with the wealthy or even middle class white america you get FUCKED IN THE ASS. Its on every mode of msm, the next day.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:16 | 5308695 Slave
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I condemn wall street daily.

What was your point again? What am I supposed to do about it all? Vote? Ha!

I also bitch about the police state daily, the hood daily, the Jews daily, our illegal wars and empire daily, etc. Nothing I want to happen ever happens in this world. I view this police vs hood bullshit as the same dishonest public discourse as R v D. Why can't I hate both?

Do you condemn the hood? Sounds like you make excuses for them.

And I'm anything but old, and anything but limp. Especially right now since another thug died. It gave me a raging hard on.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 15:12 | 5310057 Dangertime
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The difference is.....you suppor tthe black savages who shoot at cops.

 

Most of us don't support the wall street bailouts.  Well, except for Barry I suppose.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:40 | 5308520 p00k1e
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Palin "accepted" "them" people.  Why don't you?  

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:48 | 5308202 Hulk
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and apparently swrichmond, the first human beings

Journey of man, started in Africa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dDXIX-y6aY

fascinating shit...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:07 | 5308324 ajax
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And why would anyone shoot monkeys anyway?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:40 | 5307859 Slave
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Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:42 | 5307872 SWRichmond
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since the regulatory state considers itself free to Monday Morning Quarterback every single action I take, I will indulge myself the same here.

I am extremely concerned by the amount of lead being slung with apparent disregard for where it is going.  it is quite obvious the authorities have total disregard for what has now become known as collateral damage, and that that official disregard was learned in Iraq and Afghanistan..  if the guy was close enough to have been tazed how was it possible for the cop to miss so many times?  just when was the Taser deployed? before or after the alleged perp fired at the cop?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:58 | 5307969 Antifaschistische
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I think the first 14 rounds were warning shots...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 13:31 | 5309418 saltedGold
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He must have taken Uncle Joe Biden's advice out of context.  He only needed to fire one warning shot, then everything would have worked out just fine...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:27 | 5308120 Pool Shark
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While neither one of us was there, just going by the initial reports, who 'slung lead' first?...

 

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:38 | 5308156 Yellowhoard
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It's much easier to put rounds into a paper target than a person who is moving quickly and shooting at you.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:44 | 5308860 XitSam
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Did the cop deliberately check the background for where his bullets would go?

If not, then he is saying that him maybe hitting a criminal is worth more than injury or the lives of a few bystanders.  Re: new york empire state building shooting

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:43 | 5307873 SWRichmond
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Dupe...phone

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:19 | 5308383 firstdivision
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While yes, police have been abusing the civil forfeiture, pointing a gun at a cop, let alone pulling the trigger, gets you killed, and justifiably so.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:34 | 5308814 g speed
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so--what's the justification----justifiction?  -- When cops start obeying laws that the people have to obey then there may "MAY" be justification--

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:21 | 5308756 Uncle Remus
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Only 76 looting days until Christmas.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 12:35 | 5309080 Handful of Dust
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... those Air Jordans ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ... and dey be gone!

 

I'm still waiting for those Indian and Paki convenince store owners to protest over being beaten up nightly by a Thug ... oh well.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:30 | 5307836 NuckingFuts
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In a previous life I spent quite large amount of time in North St. Louis (the hood, for those of you not familiar with the 'Lou as they say)

We ALWAYS got out of there by 3:00 pm, that seems to be the time they start coming out. They are a nocturnal species, sleeping from dawn to just about dusk . Then the 40 ounce breakfasts start and it's time for whitey to be long gone.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:16 | 5308370 firstdivision
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as far as I know, 18 is an adult and no curfew, and even old enough to hold a night shift job.  so you're 'just sayin' you're not funny, nor intelligent.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:46 | 5307806 mvsjcl
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Less than 2 seconds? Magical fingers.

 

Edit:  And what's with all the down arrows for merely pointing out that it takes more than a blink of an eye to pull a trigger 17 times? Someone must be reading into my comment more than I intended to convey. I'm just stating a fact. I don't know what your down arrows imply.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:59 | 5307968 Sweet Chicken
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You're absolutely correct so don't feel bad. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:40 | 5308523 thatthingcanfly
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Neither of you have any idea what the hell you're talking about.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:24 | 5307812 Killtruck
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Not to nitpick, but G22 is .40 and holds 15.

G17 is 9mm and holds 17 in standard mag.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:44 | 5307887 FubarNation
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You are not nitpicking but just pointing out the above doesn't know his ass from a glock and is spewing bad info.  I noticed too.  Good work.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:30 | 5308446 thatthingcanfly
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Killtruck, good catch. Glock 22 is a .40.

FubarNation, You're an idiot. Go learn something about your topic and then you'll see how easy it is to get a model number incorrect while still getting the primary message absolutely correct. Stop shooting your mouth off about topics you have made no effort to understand.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:46 | 5307895 CaptainObvious
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+1 I have a Springfield XD with a 13 shot mag and it takes no time at all to empty the mag.  Good thing I can actually find .45 ACP ammo for it.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:10 | 5308337 NoTTD
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XD9 with 16 round mags.  Same experience re time.

 

Bang, bang, baby. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:00 | 5308632 thatthingcanfly
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My costs for reloading .45 ACP are less than $10 per 50 (I think - it's been a little while since I mathed out my .45 cost basis). Brass is the most expensive component; if I harvest free brass from others at the range, the cost to reload drops quite a bit.

Worth learning to reload if you shoot a lot.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:14 | 5308037 Doug997
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I have a pretty good trigger finger and can do 4 rounds in .82 seconds. So if this guy does says 4 per second your talking over 4 seconds. Still goes by like a flash.  Glock 17 has 17 round mags, Glock 22 has 15 round mags, that round count in the mag and then +1 in the chamber if you are carrying condition 0 as I am sure he was.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:34 | 5308484 thatthingcanfly
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I believe you re: 4 shots in .82. But this guy wasn't at a range trying to place aimed shots. He was trying to stay alive in a fight for his life. It is absolutely possible he emptied his mag in less than 2 seconds in a panic, scoring only 3 hits.

I think my XD9 has 16+1. That may have been what he was carrying if he fired 17.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:49 | 5308568 Guinny_Ire
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Another thing to take into account is that you probably clocked that at a range. The cop was probably flushed with adrenalin which probably draws that time down.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:14 | 5308038 Doug997
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I have a pretty good trigger finger and can do 4 rounds in .82 seconds. So if this guy does says 4 per second your talking over 4 seconds. Still goes by like a flash.  Glock 17 has 17 round mags, Glock 22 has 15 round mags, that round count in the mag and then +1 in the chamber if you are carrying condition 0 as I am sure he was.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 12:01 | 5308951 g speed
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My question is who the fuck had the stop watch--2 sec shooting while timing with a stopwatch ?---or taking three hits that killed you while being tased while running the stop watch?--- what a bunch of fucking bullshit about how many how fast-- -- the kid is dead in his neighborhood while cop is off duty making sure nobody is unsafe in the neighborhood?  Whats a off duty cop doing on the street over there in uniform at 2;00 anyway?  Did he just finish up his shift? That means he lives there and was going home? Or did he just finish up that scotch and soda before closing time and decided to  take a detour though the "hood" looking for a perp? Every cop I ever came in contact with lied for a living-including my cousin (an elected sheriff) who I loved dearly and who died of brian cancer at a young age. Cops need to stay out of the hood untill called--then they should go in with a "partner" ---anything else is suspect in the extreem.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:15 | 5308043 Doug997
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I have a pretty good trigger finger and can do 4 rounds in .82 seconds. So if this guy does says 4 per second your talking over 4 seconds. Still goes by like a flash.  Glock 17 has 17 round mags, Glock 22 has 15 round mags , that round count in the mag and then +1 in the chamber if you are carrying condition 0 as I am sure he was.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:29 | 5308127 loonyleft
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You don't say.......you don't say.......you don't say.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:16 | 5308372 Bastiat
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I was expecting 18 posts in 2 seconds.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:06 | 5307737 GetZeeGold
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17.....seems like a lot.

 

Chances we'll we'll see sightings of Jackson and Sharpton in the area....are very high.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:37 | 5307768 Headbanger
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No, it's probably a Glock 17 with a 17 round magazine (not clip!!) plus one in the chamber.

http://us.glock.com/products/model/g17

And those factory sights aren't the most useful for shooting in the dark

 

And for all you Glock-aholic fan-boys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEswkc4lPs

And:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA8hK32JRRw

But wait!   There's MOAR!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNg3qLrykEk&list=UU68SJNxmOFnI7SZgF01Jehw

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:42 | 5307869 negative rates
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Great, you just proved it was 1/2 our fault just for making the thing.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:50 | 5307899 Headbanger
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You make no fucking sensse.

 

Bonus Glock video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQYep23-onw

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:00 | 5307972 Rigger
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Where did you just roll in from? Daily Kos? Fucktard.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:41 | 5307867 TeethVillage88s
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Chances we'll we'll see sightings of Jackson and Sharpton in the area....are very high.

Since this is Banker Heaven... where do we go to buy "Puts" and "Calls"??

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:04 | 5308001 Handful of Dust
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Their Escalades are on their way there now followed by a dozen buses of seasoned protesters.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:12 | 5308349 Freddie
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Jesse Jackson is with the Auunt of the Ebola victim in Texas.   He brings ebola to America, shuts down a hospital, gets free healthcare, dies and it is somehow racist.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:56 | 5307695 Maxter
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I don't know, but if you can't handcuff someone who just got tazed you are pretty bad at what you are doing.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:00 | 5307710 CuttingEdge
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Glock "17" methinks - full mag.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:05 | 5307730 Killtruck
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Seconded. Glock 17 with full mag holds 17 rounds, plus one in the pipe. No reload necessary.

Add in the stress of a dude shooting at you int he dark, chances are good everyone here would have emptied the mag in the direction of the shots.

Sensationalized b.s.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:16 | 5307778 Headbanger
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Bingo!

I didn't see these when I posted the above with link to Glock 17 specs

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 12:12 | 5309005 g speed
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IMHO only wannabes carry Glocks-- or guys with "issue" side arms-- a very old style and not reliable-- --newer were Sigs--I don't know what the fans carry now-- 

The FBI got rid of the Glock 10s before they were out of the box-- penitration problems with the 41 mag performance they said but I bet it was the Glock trigger --just guessing.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 06:34 | 5313091 AFKeeker
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The issues with the 10mm were due to the round itself, not the platform they were firing it from.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:41 | 5308526 Killtruck
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Downvote it all you want, you pusscakes. You'd be shitting your pants and crying.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:53 | 5308589 thatthingcanfly
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Shitting pants? Probably. While shooting.

Crying? Probably. But later. PTSD affects different folks in different ways.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:01 | 5307714 onewayticket2
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tradeoffs for Jesse Jackson.....shake down on ebola/racism in Dallas or head back to ferguson (where you've already extracted a lot of cash)?

 

hmnn.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:07 | 5307736 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Jesse needs lots of cash to feed all his illigitimate children that he had with all his mistresses.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:48 | 5307902 Karlus
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Decisions, decisions. Guy has so much to do and has to be all over the place.

 

Can't he tag team with his buddy Sharpton?

 

I think it might be time for a new player in the Jackson/Sharpton business. Seems like there is more work than two guys can accomplish.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:00 | 5307712 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Cop is a lousy shot:  3/17 hit!!! Send him the fuck back to the police academy now!!!

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:49 | 5307915 tarsubil
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I guess this is why someone would carry a 9mm. Spray and pray.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:24 | 5308050 Agent P
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You try hitting a moving target, with a handgun, at night, while you're chasing it, and it's shooting back.  That ain't easy shit. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:44 | 5308197 MrTown3
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Shooting back with what? Ham and turkey?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:01 | 5308638 Buster Cherry
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The target was dark too.

Natural camoflage to match the culture.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 14:55 | 5309956 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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Hey Buster your comment is FUCKING AMAZING.  Can't stop laughing!!!

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:33 | 5307846 ShrNfr
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No, some Glocks hold 19 cartridges for instance.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:56 | 5307950 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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These abhorrent - not to mention repeating - actions on the part of American law enforcement personel speak to the continued presence of institutional racism in many parts of the country.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:16 | 5308357 Freddie
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Yes.  The institutionalized racism of Obama, Holder and Jarret who hate whites.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:00 | 5307980 Rootin' for Putin
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Depending on what gun he had, but i think 17 is standard in some 9mm Glocks

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:09 | 5308006 PirateOfBaltimore
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As the owner of a Glock 17, thats capacity - 17 in the magazine, one in the chamber.

 

He dumped the clip, as one should do in a situation in which you have to fire.  Generally best to be a better shot though...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:24 | 5308098 stant
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New York reload

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:22 | 5308400 TuPhat
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Not necessarily, I think the article is crap.  Both sides in this mess are probably at fault in one way or another but that does not excuse poor, misleading and perhaps false writing about the incident.  My 9mm handgun holds 20 rounds.  A lot of them do.  More facts would be good, BS like this article do not help anything.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 11:17 | 5308733 War_is_Peace
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Either he reloaded or had a 17 round capacity magazine and emptied it on the guy.  With that much lead flying around, i'm surprised no one else was shot.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 06:31 | 5313087 AFKeeker
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A 9mm Glock 17 comes standard with a 17 round magazine.  Adrenaline-fueled survival shooting can result in an empty mag happening before the shooter thinks he is even halfway through the mag.  The autopsy showed at least 5 specific wounds, one of which was a head shot.  This guy was a 6-year vet of the police force and served in Iraq when he was active duty.  EVERYTHING in this story sounds entirely plausible and reasonable, especially if the assailant continued advancing while firing his own weapon. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 06:33 | 5313088 AFKeeker
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Stupid thing posted twice...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:17 | 5307776 Mr Poopra
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Between "Civil Forfeiture" and getting murdered for holding a sandwich, these thugs will wake up one day being the ones indiscriminately fired upon.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:45 | 5307893 TeethVillage88s
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I bet the Sandwich had a silencer on it.

Seems like easy to find the lie in this... if there is political will.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 12:47 | 5309155 Uncle Remus
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So now it's "threaded bread" that's the greatest thing...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:24 | 5307807 chubbar
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To me it just depends on whose story is accurate. If Teyonna is telling the truth it's murder and if the cop is telling the truth then it isn't. I don't think the 17 shots matter at all. Some glocks hold 17 shots so it doesn't mean he reloaded. If the guy was shooting at a cop while fleeing a crime scene then fuck him. If the cop shot him while he was unarmed and posing no direct threat to the cop then fuck the cop. As an aside, we've all seen a Teyonna (my mind automatically translated that name to Tawana) in the news before and so I don't personally put a lot of weight on her story, but the gun should tell the tale of being recently shot or not. Perhaps they'll find bullets from the gun as well, unless the cop is making up a story in which case hopefully internal affairs won't just cover for the guy. I don't see a motive for a cop to shoot an unarmed person/black when they've had that opportunity their whole career? Why now, unless there is more to the story?

Why doesn't it matter when white guys are shot by cops or when white people are assaulted by blacks? This recent spat of news coverage seems calculated to slant reality. When it's safe for me to walk down the streets of a predominately black neighborhood (like it is for blacks to walk around my predominately white town) then I'll start taking their (blacks) complaints a little more seriously. But I've seen how black neighborhoods operate in the inner city and whether this is a racist/generalizing comment or not, I just don't feel sorry for the guys being shot that I know wouldn't think twice about either severely beating me or killing me just for walking around their neighborhood. When they stop that behavior or at least ccondemn it as a community (it's pretty universal around the U.S.) then I'll give a shit about their issues (and yes, I get that a lot of cops are militarized idiots who are on a power trip and would shoot me under the right circumstances for no provocation).

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:46 | 5307896 25or6to4
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+1000 up arrows if I could Chubbar...thanks

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:08 | 5308014 Slave
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You should repost this in the top thread.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:25 | 5308106 Laddie
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chubbar another point is at about the same time the "GENTLE GIANT" was shot, a white kid in Salt Lake City, Utah, who was UNARMED in BROAD DAYLIGHT with SEVERAL LEO on scene, was shot to death by a black cop whose vest video and recorder have NOT been released, no national media coverage let alone international. It just like the DAILY body count of Whites men, women, children, INFANTS each and every day. And NEVER national attention. Some of the most BARBAROUS torture murders by blacks on Whites and ZERO COVERAGE by MSM.

San Antonio’s Unarmed Black “Gentle Giant” Occasions No Riots—Just Beats White Victim To Death With Fists 08/29/2014
Nicholas Stix

War On Whites? This Iowa Veteran Survived World War II–Only To Be Murdered By An African “Refugee” Imported By His Government 08/07/14

Something’s Rotten in Garland County, Arkansas: Black Murderer of Five Whites Gets All Five Capital Murder Counts Dismissed, in Exchange for Pleading Guilty to Lesser Charges, Will End Up Paroled

Loved Ones Remember Knoxville Horror Racist Atrocity Victims Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom Seven Years After Murders

There is a website NEW NATION NEWS , been on the web since 1995, and I read here on ZH, that ANONYMOUS the hackers had it taken down and the owner terrorized, but another chap picked it up, the site only gives links to local news stories, and often enough the local news agencies HIDE the races of the perps and the victims, and it will OPEN your eyes to the slow motion genoicde going on in the USSA against Whites just as in South Africa and with government compliance.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:51 | 5308575 Overfed
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Anyone who is unarmed and believes that the .gov will be their savior is an idiot.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 12:43 | 5309124 Handful of Dust
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2 men charged in death of UNC professor were out on bond

 

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (WTVD) --

Court records show that Derick Davis and Troy Arrington Jr., though they are only in their 20s, have spent several years in and out of prison serving time for various crimes: breaking and entering, weapon and drug crimes.

But now they're both charged with murder and the district attorney said he sees a similar trend all the time.

Still wearing his GPS ankle bracelet from a pre-trial release on larceny charges out of Durham, Arrington learned he could face life in prison or even the death penalty if convicted....

 

http://abc11.com/news/2-men-charged-in-death-of-unc-professor-were-out-o...

 

"Still wearing his GPS ankle bracelet from a pre-trial release..." shows you how screwed up da system is. Poor guy, Where's Al? Jesse? Barry? Holder?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:37 | 5308148 loonyleft
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I don't see a motive for a cop to shoot an unarmed person/black when they've had that opportunity their whole career?

Motive: It was dark, he saw a sandwich, thought it was a gun, and panicked. It can happen. Not saying that's what happened\

I just don't feel sorry for the guys being shot that I know wouldn't think twice about either severely beating me or killing me just for walking around their neighborhood. 

If that person who was shot is actually like that. Are you inferring he was or just a general comment?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 09:56 | 5308258 centerline
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"that I know..." is the critical part of the statement. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:54 | 5308597 Buster Cherry
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Now that was a good post! Somes it all up nice and neat and cannot be realisticly refuted.

I am #43

 

WEll done.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:48 | 5307668 rtalcott
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17...guess that was enough...didn't need 18...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:50 | 5307673 JustObserving
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If only he had $5000 in his pocket, the police would have liberated him from his cash instead from his life

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:23 | 5307808 Agstacker
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Yea, too bad the sandwich he was holding wasn't one that the cop liked, he may have taken that in lieu of killing him.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:51 | 5307677 goldsaver
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"He is still moving...shoot him again!!"

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:52 | 5307679 buzzsaw99
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Nigger forgot to duck, that's all! [/Trip]

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:53 | 5307680 Baby Eating Dingo22
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I'm seeing a new Subway sandwich promotion here

38 special with hot sauce. Guaranteed to leave you tingling

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:29 | 5307834 Took Red Pill
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is that ketchup on that sandwich?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:52 | 5307681 Infinite QE
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Sounds like a bullshit headline. Cop fired 17 shots at him.

 

Like I referred to previously, a Skokie cop had to empty 33 rounds into one of the monkeys to get him down:

http://www.policeone.com/patrol-issues/articles/6199620-Why-one-cop-carr...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:53 | 5307682 exartizo
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seems like a lot of young black folks have been getting shot and tased too much lately.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 08:06 | 5307734 jcaz
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....Or not enough, apparently.....

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 10:23 | 5308413 RaceToTheBottom
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With data driven reporting it is nothing unusual.  Just media sources are publicizing events of one type more.

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 07:54 | 5307684 Beowulf55
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17 shots does not necessarily say he reloaded.  You can get a 18 shot clip for a 9mm Beretta.......just say'n.

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