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MH-17 Report False Flag Exposed After Revelation Passenger Was Wearing Oxygen Mask
When exactly a month ago the supposedly objective, impartial Netherlands released its official, 34-page preliminary report of the MH-17 crash over Ukraine, presumably based on black box data, air traffic control records, and other "authentic, verified" information, there were precisely zero mentions of "oxygen", "mask" or "oxygen mask."
Which is odd, because in what should become the biggest Freudian slip scandal in false-flag history, certainly since the Gulf of Tonkin, yesterday Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans accidentally revealed for the very first time ever, that one of the Australian passengers aboard the doomed airplane "appears to have donned an oxygen mask before the fatal crash, suggesting some on board might have been aware of their impending deaths, a Dutch official disclosed." Clearly a crucial aspect of the crash, as it points at the severity of the alleged explosion, yet one which was not noted until yesterday and which completely skipped the purvey of the official crash report for reasons unknown.
Needless to say, this makes a complete mockery of the story that the plane had exploded upon impact with the "Russian" missile, and is why there was supposedly no trace of any impact on the flight's black box recorder. Whether or not it also means that the alternative theory that a Ukraine jet had purposefully downed the Malaysian aircraft to serve as a pretext to implicate Russia, is unclear. But it also means that yet another conspiracy theory becomes fact: namely that whoever were the western powers who doctored and manipulated the "official" crash report of MH-17 to implicate Putin, not only lied but fabricated evidence.
Immediately upon realization just how serious the implications of this slip are, the damage control started, but it was too late. From the LA Times:
Dutch Foreign Minister Frans Timmermans apologized on Thursday for making the revelation on a television talk show the previous night, before the families of the 298 victims of the disaster had been notified of the disturbing discovery.
Timmermans gave an emotional speech at the United Nations four days after the crash in which he imagined the terrified passengers exchanging glances "one final time, in an unarticulated goodbye."
When talk show host Jeroen Pauw interviewed Timmermans on Wednesday night, he provoked the minister with accusations that he had dramatized the victims' last moments as a preliminary investigation report suggests that the Boeing 777's destruction was so swift that those on board were unlikely to have known anything was amiss.
"They did not see the rocket coming, but you know someone was found with an oxygen mask on his mouth?” Timmermans replied, according to the NL Times translation of his comments. "He thus had the time to do that. We cannot rule it out."
Well, actually we did not know because the official report that your country released Mr. Timmermans, and which we posted a month ago said that "high-energy objects from outside the aircraft" struck the airplane as it flew at an altitude of 33,000 feet, suggesting it had been struck by a missile.
Nothing on the flight data or cockpit voice recorders indicated the crew or passengers took any action in response to the fatal impact.
Which means the entire report is a fabrication.
So what did happen?
The mask found around the neck of the unnamed passenger, one of 88 Australian citizens and residents on board, was tested for fingerprints, saliva and DNA but produced no forensic evidence, De Bruin said. "So it is not known how or when that mask got around the neck of the victim," he said.
The discovery of the mask and the implications it raised about the passengers' final moments were conveyed to the Australian's family before Timmermans' interview on Wednesday night, the prosecutor's office said. But information was sent out to other family members of the MH-17 victims only on Thursday morning.
Timmermans issued a statement Thursday saying he regretted making the comment. We are confident that everyone else in the false-flag waving Western camp very much regretted Timmermans' comment as well.
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gotta think when all will be done Vlad will finger the actual nwo culprits and proceed to take care of business (lotsa "pointy" umbrellas)- especially if he was indeed the original intended target.
"Carlos"???? The Jackal is back???
So this fact is valuable in that it makes the conculsion that MH17 was taken down by a BUK very unlikely.
AND that there could/was other scenarios that should have been included...but of course due to the neccisity to not cast blame anywhere else except where it was wanted, gave us a false report.
It makes the scenario of the plane being taken down by Ukrainians entities equally plausible.
Back with more "news" about MH17? Guess they had enough time to invent fake "evidence" to blame the Russians with. Otherwise would why they even bother?
Q: What do the Egypt Air 990 crash and the JFR Jr. crash have in common?
A: The manual fuel shutoff was found in the off position (JFK's plane was irreversibly nosedived by a mind controlled flight instructor and Egypt Air 990 was similarly nosedived)
whoa, whoa, whoa! Did you just say mind controlled? Please elaborate further upon that. I'll get the popcorn while you type.
P.S. about the fuel shutfoff valve. It relly depends on two things. First where the missle struck the aircraft, and second where the fuel shutoff valve falls on the emergency checklist. It usually comes pretty early on the list.
Perhaps, instead of jedhi mind tricks, JFK JR was about as good of a pilot as Uncle Teddy was in driving across bridges.
I forgot to mention, that not only explosive decompression, sudden thin freezing air, darkness, massive noise but also the plane takes a sudden dive....the sudden dive and weightlessness just another element that makes a considered rational action, in all those circumstances almost impossible...except maybe for an experienced fighter pilot.
I mean the internal and external sudden physical changes, the inability of the brain to process all those inputs from their sensory systems, makes a considered action to be taken within a few seconds, very unlikely, to almost impossible for the human condition, except maybe for a highly trained fighter pilot or similar.
the thing is if one man had time to find an oxygen mask then others probably did as well. in the event of a sudden impact would the oxygen masks have deployed, period? the black box should have information on when the ships systems shut down and in what order. how long was the aircraft in flight after the impact? seconds minutes? we dont know who fired the missile, and why a commerical aircraft flew over a war zone, and why a Dallas hospital sent a man from Africa with Ebola symptoms home? was it because he was black? the human DNA sequence is unraveling
No it couldn't be because he was a shitty doctor, no it must be racism, and you zipperheads imagine you have original thoughts.
And what of the reports of bodies decomposing the day of or day after the crash? To me, that fact taken with how long it takes for bodies to decompose to the point they smell as bad as multiple reports from the site say they did, is the more damning evidence of something amiss with this whole thing than a lone oxygen mask unreported in the official story.
One oxygen mask doesn't make a conspiracy. Did you guys take physics class taught by Michael Bay? You know how things disintegrate in a ball of flames when struck by a missile in the movies? That doesn't happen in real life, so once struck by a missile a few people may have been alive. One of those may have known how very important it is have oxygen at that altitude, if you've ever been through the training in a military pressure chamber then you know what I'm talking about. They may have grabbed the mask in a futile attempt to stay alive, at least till they hit the ground.
The only problem, bro, is that there is no evidence implicating a missile strike at all but rather a series of rounds fired from a fighter jet (or 2) of the Ukrainian military.
How much evidence is there of machine gun fire? That's not usually how fighter aircraft work these days. Thats way too line of sight. You might get that stray radio message describing what type of aircraft was attacking them, and what direction it may have came from or some other information that you wouldn't want revealed if it were a black flag operation. Wouldn't it be better to hit them from beyond the range of vision completely by surprise if it were a black flag operation. I know that's exactly what everybody would think so those crazy Ukranians did just the opposite to throw everybody off the trail. Sneaky bastards.
I see a Michael Hasting's event in Mr. Frans Timmermans' future... And if he gets killed it serves the motherfucker right for not disclosing it in the official report!
Let's hope the Russian press wraps itself around this like the tightest "snatch" that ever was!!!
And the song remains the same...
Love how the enemy aircraft in this simulation are marked with red shields... someone at Concern Almaz-Antey has a sly, funny sense of humor. "Yes, folks, we know whats up".
Oh, "pax" dude... stuff some tampons in your ears before the shit runs out, for gods sake. Any idea the kinetic energy these weapons are packing, not to mention the sheer weight of very, very high explosive? The proximity fuse detonates the charge at a distance from the target because the missile is travelling so damn fast, otherwise the target would not be fully involved in the tremendously violent explosion. Passengers "pax", if you will (for fucks sake), would not be donning oxygen masks, the ones that were not literally vaporized, as in GONE, would be high altitude hamburger. This aircraft was not struck by a modern air defense missile. ... You make it sound as if it just throws up a fluffy cloud of shrapnel that might or might not do a little damage...
The cockpit flight recorder knows all but it has gone mute....
You can't say that you haven't been warned...
And best of all the guys that brought you 9/11, the U.S.S. Cole and U.S.S. Liberty are broadcasting it special delivery using their own Press of course!
Boobie!!!
How do you waterboard a flight recorder?...
It's not the flight recorder that needs water-boarding - it's the person taking information from it.
Tyler, Lord Putin has the ZH login credentials again.
Why wouldn't you expect a few people to have gotten the oxygen masks on? When the missile hit (well, when the shrapnel hit - SA-11 uses proximity fuse) the aircraft would have decompressed, causing the oxygen masks to deploy automatically. From eyewitness videos, the aircraft did not completely break up in the air. Most of the passengers would have been alive - though unconscious most of the way down. It's reasonable to assume that at least a few people managed to get their masks on - though, that kinda sucks because they would have been aware and conscious of the ground coming up on them.
ZH is a useful resource, but every event doesn't need to be a conspiracy, does it? The leader of the Ukrainian rebels tweeted to gloat about the shoot down moments after it happened - before deleting it. The missile came from rebel held territory. The rebels had been shooting down Ukrainian transport planes earlier in the week, near the same location, at nearly the same altitude. The rebels had been parading their SA-11's around in the weeks prior to the attacks.
Perpetuating a false narrative to perpetuate a political position - isn't that what ZH rails against when it's done by the mainstream media and the government? Has ZH jumped the shark and become what it claims to oppose?
What proof is there of this?
Was it not seen because it was deleted or because it never existed?
And who saw it? Ukrainian army regulars? Is it possible for someone to open a twitter account in the name of someone else?
Are all of this account's tweets deleted?
Or is this a carbon copy of the Israeli Signal officer who heard the Syrian officers boasting of using CW?
Is that why Air Traffic Control sent MH17 to that location at the same altitude? So that the Rebels would shoot it down?
Or better, that they could shoot it down at that location and altitude and blame it on the Rebels?
There are screen grabs of his comments from Vkontaktek all over the web. Geez, I think some in the everything is a conspiracy crowd could be made to believe that the sun rising in the east is a conspiracy of the global elite... to keep us from enjoying a from the west sunset.
As to why air traffic control allowed flights into this area.... As with most things, it's all about the $$$. Countries earn significant revenue from airlines paying overflight fees, so Ukraine (and Russia) have a strong incentive to allow overflights to continue. Everyone was aware of some measure of danger - flights were restricted to stay above 32,000 feet. The maximum altitude of Ukraine's An-26 military cargo planes operating in the area is under 25,000 feet, so it's likely everyone figured it would be easy to tell the difference between the An-26's and commercial traffic. MH17 requested to divert to where it was shot down to go around some weather.
What differentiates me from the other foolish mortals here is the absolute composure and ease with which I can admit that I am mistaken or wrong.
If you can show me irrefutable evidence that Igor Strelkov made that terrible boast online and that it's not now just hearsay testimony of partisan witnesses, then I am wrong and owe you thanks for telling me so.
Before you can say the ATC allowed flights into this area because....
LET'S HEAR THE ATC TAPE.
The undisclosed tape damns Poroshenko, his government, and his army to the depths.
If the rebels shot down MH17, they did so because they thought it was a Ukrainian transport plane.
However without hearing the ATC tape, one can easily assume the plane was sent over Donbas to be shot down by the rebels.
There was nothing premeditated about the rebels shooting down a cargo plane which turned out to be a passenger plane.
IF UKRANIAN ATC SENT WHAT IT KNEW TO BE A PASSENGER PLANE OVER DONBAS IN THE HOPES THAT THE REBELS WOULD SHOOT IT DOWN, THAN UKRAINE IS NOT JUST AN ACCOMPLICE IN THE MURDER OF 298 INNOCENTS, BUT IS THE CALCULATED, DELIBERATE AND COLD-BLOODED MURDERER OF THEM.
I confess to not following the logic of this article. I don't doubt that this was a likely false flag - the US has excellent satellite coverage of the area, and didn't release any, there's the control tower tapes yet to be released, there's the flight recorder, yet to be released. I don't know if the story about two Ukrainian jet fighters following the jet are accurate, and neither do you.
But the gas mask thing doesn't actually tell you much at all and whomever wrote the article seems to be assuming it disproves a BUK - it doesn't. It is absolutely conceivable that a SAM explode near the cabin, causing an immediate pressure drop, and the masks to drop, and someone could certainly be alive and conscious and able to strap it on.
fwiw, here's the key point for me: The US and much of the media immediately put the blame on Russia and/or Russia's proxies - as if this story was prepackaged. The US has never provided any evidence from its high orbit sats, no radio transmissions - nothing, all while there have been a couple or few incidents where the US government and moutpieces [NY Times] claimed evidence of Russian troop movements inside Russia which could only be deliberate fabrications.
One has the sense of guys in their 50s trying to fool a public and doubting Thomases within DIA and the agency who are far too savvy to be fooled so easily. Ditto for Syria and the sarin and the rat line. Ditto for Iran - if the Israelis or CIA had a shred of evidence for Iranian nukes they would have produced it. However, what has turned up have been fabrications [the laptop of death, fake dissidents] which in turn suggests that the Israelis do not have any evidence but are motivated to fake it and repeat the lie ad nauseam until perceived by the public as true.
I don't care to wade into the Putin Question beyond noting that the concerted neocon and media effort to disparage him and Russia post Yeltsin is not above using outright lies. Pussy Riot performed in public many times and only were arrested for tresspassing into and vandalizing a Cathedral - their story certainly did not warrant the coverage it got, and that coverage was of course part of a concerted effort. Can you imagine if Palestinians had pulled the same stunt in a synagogue - they'd all have been shot to death, and if it made the news at all, it would disappear by the next news cycle, after tales of 'weapons found' with the bodies had been sent into the matrix.
It's not a matter of being "pro" or "anti" Putin or Russia - it's really a general matter of media having long been used to lie the public into wars. One expects this is not exclusive to the American government, but the lies used to get the US into Iraq were not that long ago - one would expect a little more skepticism of the media (and it's not necessarily all CIA handlers and psy ops - but groupthink and a fear of questioning government narratives post-911) than one sees.
At the end of the day, it is possible, perhaps even probable, that the plane was shot down in an attempt to frame Putin/Russia. That is worrisome - if true.
But even if it is not - the swiftness and the pervasiveness of anti-Russian [and anti-Iranian] stances, opinions, and slants in the corporate mainstream media is very worrying. Controlled or not, conspiracy theories or facts aside - the MSM is simply not doing its job.
Those whining that ZH is "too pro-Russia" might stop to consider that a] it provides an alternative view to the dominant media narratives, which is much of its appeal, and b] it might, overall, be far more accurate and valid than the dominant media narratives. I'd tend to bet heavily that it is.
The logic is that what is reported in the original initial report told to the public is different to what is revealed now, so it proves there are multiple writeups or versions of the report on the situation.
it has nothing to do with how and why and if it's normal for oxygen masks to deploy.
it's simply this:
story A orginally released does not match detail B now inadvertently released, whether detail B has a perfectly logical explanation for it or not is totally beside the point.
the point is the story told to the public is inconsistent, and seems to be purposefully so.
"story A orginally released does not match detail B now inadvertently released"
So tonight, Wild Theories, your wild theory is that Timmermans "inadvertently" released the story on a television talk show.
I've come to expect wilder theories than that from you.
Would you like another crack at it?
'inadvertant' in the greater sense that it didn't 100% match the US version of events, not 'inadvertent' in a personal sense as if he suffered a sudden case of foot-in-mouth disease.
Ah, that sense of 'inadvertant'.
My new dictionary gives as examples of inadvertent: The Rebels inadvertently shot down the passenger plane thinking it was a warplane.
And
The jury did not think it was inadvertent that ATC sent the passenger plane over a war zone.
Witnesses reported seeing military jets following the Boeing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8gmNY0v5RM
Well said !!
100% with you !!
The US does have sattelite coverage of this area, but why would you think it would ever be released? There wouldn't be "spy photo" type imagery, ala high resolution google earth type images. Those satellites do not have continuous global coverage. It would be a satellite with an infrared sensor, SBIRS. US politicians have said these satellites detected the aircraft explosion and the missile launch - tracing it to a rebel-held area. However, the US intellegence community would never allow the actual data to be released for fear of giving away the sensitivity and resolution of the SBIRS sensors.
The "sensitivity and resolution of the SBIRS sensors", I am most certain, are quite well known by those in the military - no real secret here. The fact is that such excuses are always used as a reason for not presenting evidence that would harm their own case.
"It would disappear by the next news cycle, after tales of 'weapons found' with the bodies had been sent into the matrix."
Anyone who construct this statement has my attention.
I voted u up, BUT:
...But the gas mask thing doesn't actually tell you much at all and whomever wrote the article seems to be assuming it disproves a BUK - it doesn't....
you did read the article and did not comprehend, what is it about.
I tell u read it once more and think...or I point u to the fact, that the article is not about technicalities of this criminal case, but about a spin of the politicians and "western propaganda", commenting on the MH17.
The article points out, that the facts are being
-distorted,
-twisted,
-suppresed, or
-fabricated.
The original reports were of shrapnel holes in the fuselage, bent inwards, consistent with a SAM warhead that doomed but did not outright destroy the airframe. So it makes sense that when the hull depressurized the oxygen masks would automatically deploy and passengers would have time to don them.
Remember that for a plane's fuselage to "explode" in midair it has to be overpressurized, such as with an internal bomb. The Buk missile system missile has a 70 kg warhead with a 17 meter kill radius. It's going to poke a bunch of holes in a jumbo jet, not blast it to smithereens. A false flag (internal bomb) would be more likely to utterly destroy the airframe causing bodies to be ripped apart and the aircraft spread in tiny pieces across a long distance. This "leak" reinforces the likelihood of a SAM hit, not some bizarre conspiracy.
Taking the "Black Box" to the United Kingdom for analysis by their experts is proof that no serious investigation was ever planned. And how many weeks does it take to read the tape? UK says many weeks required, and still the thing was not realeased. Kiev Air Control tapes are gone, the secret police took them and nobody even asks if they are part of the investigation.
Why is the western media silent now about the plane? Because they have zero evidence that points to rebels. Rebels may or may not of held 1 captured BUK launcher, but BUK comes with mobile radar and rebels had none, rebels had no ground radar either, thus no way to perform a fire control solution. For those with no advanced weapon experience, the BUK requires a fire control solution to fire. A target blazing across the sky at that speed and that high? Shit you don't just point a missile up in the air and fire, it needs guidance to target. But, though a BUK didn't shoot it down in my opinion, Ukraine had 5 launchers with attendent mobile radars, all in range.
The fact is clear from gound observers who saw and heard the plane come down. First they saw a large plane attented by two fighter jets, then loud machine gun like fire was heard in the sky, the plane was seen to go into a turn, then fall and break apart.
Cockpit pieces showed heavy damage by cannon shell holes above and behind the pilots area, right on the pilots seat, and forward and level with pilot. So three bursts of 30MM cannon fire were aimed at the cockpit of this huge plane. One missed high and behind, on missed forward and level, but the third was direct on the pilot and was so heavy it created a large hole where the stream went through, with individual cannon holes around the big center hole. Any fucker who ever target practiced with guns and automatic weapons recognizes the patterns on the planes pilot area. Yet, the west can't admit this, so they must just let the issue fad away, and allow the initial claims of Putins Missile to stand as the last story westerners remember hearing.
This was a badly done false flag. The Obama silence, the CNN silence prove beyond all rational doubt that the false flag was a royal Ukrainian fuck up. It is even thought that one of the planes was a Ukie MIG-29 piloted by a Pole, the same one heard many times over ground to air circuits during aircombat operations before hand. Why do Ukie pilots talk to ground control in Polish. Ask the CIA, I bet they know where to find trained MIG pilots when Ukraine has few with any real flight training.
And at the Air Port in Donetsk, rebels say that Ukie conscripts who are captured are sent home in exchanges, Polish mercenaries captures are disposed of on site. Other westerners seem to have been pulled out, only the dead ones remain to be picked over.
They burned the pilots, you say?
If anyone wants to see some really clear pictures of the bullet holes in the cockpit of the MH-17:
http://ronaldwederfoort.blogspot.com/2014/08/cis-plane-mh-17-was-brought-down-by.html
Jack - here is a couple of pics for you :-))
She's a darling isn't she !!!
http://ria.ru/crimea_today/20141009/1027624367.html?utm_source=1634508&utm_medium=banner&utm_content=3575754&utm_campaign=466842
http://www.topnews.ru/news_id_71957.html
So maybe inanimate objects and just created inanimate (dead people) objects were subject to the laws of ineria at speeds of hundreds of miles per hour. Finding a mask around the neck of an unfortunate soul doesn't suggest much of anything, imho.
Sounds like Capricorn One
1978 Movie Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKbwdTCL8rA
Interesting, but why would someone get on an airplane they knew would be brought down? So far we have only been aware of Muslims doing so with promises of virgin pigs in Allah land.
What difference does it make if ultimately it is proven that the Ukrainians are a bunch of cock suckers? Won't change anything. The united States is in bed with cock suckers around the world. What's one more or less?
What do you mean it makes no difference.
If the USA leadership is involved that is your elected Representatives. If you know something and do not DEMAND answers then bend over and do nor complain. Or join a revolt to get answers .....All Answers and make those responsible PAY.
The Ukrainian cock is butt up to Putin's cock and that's the cock Obama is dying to get his mouth on.
Heh. Does nobody else find it humorous that Fight Club states the masks drop only to pacify the plane occupants? Why would an airline want to dope its customers?
Are you not entertained?
Was the passenger wearing a tin foil hat too?
There is only one takeaway from Timmermans' announcement and that is the fact that Timmermans bothered to make it.
And that he made it on a television talk show.
Except for some snappy comments here, it doesn't do anything to further the investigation.
The fact is that 200 of his countrymen were blown out of the sky, and we don't know whether he is using deception to tease out the perpetrators,
That and a 30 million dollar reward, offered by a German company, may produce proof as to who the culprits really are.
The best part is that he tried to take one more swing at Russia by trying to show how the passengers 'suffered'.
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. For example the 30 something that could hack pacemakers up and died just before a conference where he was going to do a demonstration of hacking a pacemaker. 30 something, no medical history, just up and dies.
Boing Stock should DROP. It seems that these airplanes sold to other countries are weapons of mass distruction .
It's time the world investigated the USA for any invovment in CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY.
destruction....I know....just want to see who thinks spelling is morev important than the message...."Trolls" / "CIA"
why was the plane flying there... USAF runs the air traffic control to protect the Russian, Iranian , Turkish NWO poppy fields in Afghanistan. To busy for Ukraine which will be renamed U_nato_or_overthrow_astan,
Go away nothing here... there will be no K for Vichy.. just mushrooms getting fat and plump in $hit and dark...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=618U-_8o31k
Hey Vlad
hope you like your B-Day gift
I know it's just a piece of shot-up aluminum
That scrap is worth a thousand + words
oh
hope the story about kitty isn't true
Let's assume for argument's sake that MH17 really was shot down by pro-Russian forces with a BUK. Still, it's not as if the missile operator had visual contact with the target and just decided to pull the trigger on a plane flying by, even though he did not really know who he was shooting at. The BUK has to be supported by radar, and a certain amount of radar support and target IDing likely was coming from inside Russia itself. They would know that it was a commercial airliner.
Therefore, the Western media has painted itself into a corner. In order to believe their version of events, one would have to believe that either a BUK missile operator was taking potshots at an unidentified target, or that Russia deliberately cooperated in shooting down MH17 knowing full well that it was a commercial flight.
I can only conclude that the only reason Putin does not vociferously dismiss the West's charges as absurd, is because in the process he would end up publicly revealing that he has been assisting the separatists (at least with radar support, if not in other ways).
I do not claim to know exactly who shot down this plane or why or how, but there does not seem to be ANY credible evidence that it was done either by pro-Russian forces in Ukraine or with a BUK surface-to-air missile.
You guys have almost NO logical cognitive ability.
Because there is no record of a passenger in a given seat donning an oxygen mask, this could not be possible and if it did this must have been a false flag?
Too much to dissect - your stupidity is vast.
Wtnesses saw the fighter jets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8gmNY0v5RM
At 27 seconds
That plane flew 10 kilometers up in the sky - how could anyone possibly see anything that high up in the sky?
Russian radar saw at least one fighter jet. Radar can see at that height. People can too, btw - an object 3 miles off the size of a fighter jet is easily discernible from the ground on a clear day.
See them all the time in fly-over land.
Cities suck eh? Can't see the sky.
I agree let us not lead this one to firm conclusions. The only thing I can say is that I have no faith at all in the objectiveness from the Dutch government and mr Timmermans to present the plain and objective facts.
Frans Timmermans is an intelligent man but he also is vain, has a big ego, is a narcist and a megalomaniac. He couples this with great ambition and shameless selfpromotion. From the moment he became foreign minister he has only been lobbying for himself. Now he is going to be errant by for Juncker in the new EC.
-Edit. This is not the first 'accidental remark'. First time was in front of the UNSC when he said with teary eyes that people on the scene were stealing rings and juwelery from victims. Which turned out to be officials securing these items...
-Edit2. Journalists on the scene said they saw over 100 dead bodies without seeing one of them wearing an oxygen mask.
I have no respect for Timmermans either. The farce surrounding the police detaining the Russian deputy ambassador and his wife and all that followed in that train was no doubt Timmermans' doing.
That said, until proven otherwise, I believe he will try to find the murderers of his countrymen. Only international intrigue could have delayed this 3 months.
Insofar as the journalists only saw 100 dead bodies, none wearing an oxygen mask, then the single wearer of the mask was among the 198 bodies the journalists did not see.
Well said. But the prosecutor's office already debunked the oxygen mask story.
The oxygen mask story is as unbelievable to me as Joe Biden's blame for ISIS on everybody but the US.
The Netherlands has more reason to find out the truth than any other nation.
We know from Deputy Ambassador Borodin's ordeal that Timmermans is capable of playing games.
But on the graves of 196 of his countrymen?
And how could we know if seperatists (AKA Putin regime goons) put that mask? Because it's them who didn't let anyone to the site for long time. And than only to part of it after a time to fix everything needed.
The Dutch say it checked out for DNA etc. And if there was any sign of tampering they would have been all over it.
Just think how much more we would know if the Ukrainian Secret Police hadn't immediately confiscated the ATC recordings.
Or if the Western media bothered to write ONE story about that fact after we were originally told.
Guys, MH17 was shot down by a BUK, not a jet. The missile approached from the front and detonated a few metres out from and slightly above the starboard cockpit. 70kg's of HE atomised that side, which is why no debris has been found of the starboard cockpit. The radial fragmentation carried on through the port side, which explains the "bullet holes". Damage on the port side wing tip is a grazing blow from that fragmentation.
The cockpit may have broken off immediately, or shortly afterwards. Regardless, the 777's massive tail stabilizers are enough to ensure inherent stability and the plane would have carried on straight and level, after veering slightly left from the force of the blast on the nose.
The loss of the cockpit caused gradually increasing damage to the fuselage and eventually inherent stability and aerodynamics were lost and the structure completely disintegrated.
No scenario involving jets explains the observed damage. It had to be a missile.
The sites of Ukrainian and rebel Buks are known. The mask is significant, because whether or not the rebel buk position was in range depends on the location of missile impact. If the flight continued eastwards after missile hit then the point of detonation is too far west of the rebel buk position, but within range of the ukrainin.
Thats why they left it out of the report.
It sounds like you're reading the 'official' report... go figure.
It must have had something to do with E=MC^2. That BUK explosion accelerated the plane closer to light speed, where time slows down and the passengers can now have the time to put on O2 masks. It's just that old lying bastard, Mr. Physics. Just like WTC7.
Really, who you gonna believe, that lying bastard Mr. Physics, or those wonderful truthful politicians that think they rule us? After all, you can't be a proper member of the sheep class without full belief in the Gov. Would they lie to you?
Frans Timmermans is a rat. He has been bought and paid for with his new "assignment" as a vice president for the EU. That is why he is anti Russian because he must be pro EU = anti Russia. He is a socialist (from the Dutch Labour party) and nothing can prevent this kind of people of lying, cheating, crocidile tears and denying any evidence that is not covenient to him or the corrupt Dutch government that is in the pocket of the US government. A typical socialist that do everything for their career same like Dijsselbloem from the same Labour Part and totally incompetent chair for the EU finance commission.