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"The Nightmare Scenario Is Around The Corner... Ebola Is The World's Next AIDS"

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If there is one thing that is becoming clear in the last few weeks, it is the divergence of opinion between a 'nothing-to-see-here-move-along' government and the 'not-afraid-to-say-it-like-it-is' people actually dealing with the Ebola outbreak. Today, that divergence became utterly chasmic as President Obama opined:

*OBAMA REITERATES CHANCE OF EBOLA OUTBREAK IN U.S. EXTREMELY LOW

Followed by CDC Director Frieden's perspective that:

"I've been working in public health for 30 years... The only thing like this has been AIDS. And we have to work now so that this is not the world's next AIDS."

and then none other than SOUTHCOM Commander, Marine Gen. John F. Kelly warns that:

"The nightmare scenario, I think, is right around the corner."

So whose truth do you choose to believe?

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Here's President Obama...

"Ebola is not easily transmitted... we are containing it... the chances of an Ebola outbreak here in the United States are extremely low... we've been taking the necessary precautions so that someone with the virus does not get on a plane to the United States..."

Clip below...

 

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Here's CDC Director Thomas Frieden... (via The Hill)

Ebola poses a threat equivalent to AIDS and will become just as deadly without further action, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Tom Frieden said Thursday.

 

The remark is part of a marked increase in the intensity of warnings about Ebola from Frieden, the Obama administration's point man in communicating to the public about the virus.

 

"I've been working in public health for 30 years," Frieden told a World Bank and International Monetary Fund meeting in Washington.

 

"The only thing like this has been AIDS. And we have to work now so that this is not the world's next AIDS," Frieden said.

Clip below...

 

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Here's the head of U.S. Southern Command (SOUTHCOM) Marine Gen. John F. Kelly... (via USNI)

“If it comes to the Western Hemisphere, the countries that we’re talking about have almost no ability to deal with it — particularly in Haiti and Central America,” SOUTHCOM Commander, Marine Gen. John F. Kelly, said in response to a question of his near term concerns in the region.

 

“It will make the 68,000 unaccompanied minors look like a small problem.”

 

An Ebola outbreak could encourage the poor and increasingly desperate populations in Central American countries — like Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador — to leave in droves.

 

“I think you’ve seen this so many times in the past, when in doubt, take off,” he said.

 

Though an ocean away from Ebola hotspots in Africa, a growing numbers of West Africans are using the illicit trafficking routes through Central America to enter the U.S. illegally and could introduce the disease in the U.S.

 

Kelly stressed through out the panel session at NDU how effective the criminal transportation networks were at moving people and material into the U.S.

 

“We see a lot of West Africans moving in that network,” he said.

 

Kelly passed on a story from a border checkpoint in Costa Rica — told to him by an American embassy official — in which five or six men from Liberia were waiting to cross into Nicaragua.

 

The group had flown into Trinidad and then traveled to Costa Rica hoping to travel up the Central American isthmus and into the U.S.

 

Given the length of the journey, “they could have been in New York City well within the incubation period for Ebola,” Kelly said.

 

The realities of a potential outbreak caused Kelly to ask his staff to start thinking about the affects to the SOUTHCOM area of operations (AO) and pay attention to the response of U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM).

 

The U.S. has sent 4,000 troops to West Africa to assist countries in dealing with the Ebola outbreaks in the region.

 

“The five services of the U.S. military will get it done and be a large solution to this problem,” Kelly said.

 

In the meantime, SOUTHCOM is regular contact with AFRICOM in the event of the worst-case outcome.

 

“We’re watching what AFRICOM is doing and their plan will be our plan,” Kelly said. “The nightmare scenario, I think, is right around the corner.”

Clip below... 

 

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Truth... You decide?

 

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Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:54 | 5312389 hedgeless_horseman
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Wait until we see the first suicide barfer.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:57 | 5312397 FredFlintstone
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Suicide Bleeder. TM

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:59 | 5312411 Richard Chesler
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Q: How do you know when Obongo is lying?

A: He's not golfing.

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:01 | 5312413 quintago
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Suicide bleeder? Shit, all they need to do is hop on a plane to the US, and pay some strip clubs in Vegas a visit at night, and go to a bunch of gyms and sweat all over the place by day.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:05 | 5312421 Newsboy
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Ebola Pandemic, meet global financial reset!

This is not speculation, but a marriage announcement.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:27 | 5312446 philipat
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The HIV analogy is not really that good? At least with HIV personal responsibility plays a very significan role, whereas Ebola is purely random. Wait, remember personal responsibilty?...............

 

IMHO, H5N1 would be a better parallel. Although that was not as deadly, the world basically freaked out and stopped travelling. Coming to an empty airport near you very shortly.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:29 | 5312521 NemoDeNovo
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The #Ebola Panic will go Parabolic the second a school age child is diagnosed and dies of it her in 'meriKa.  Whne that shit happens hold on to your lunchpail as shit will get wilder then you can imagine.  Sadly at this point that scenario is olny a matter of time.  Plan, Prepare, Prosper that is all we can do right now, just like the Army 'Hurryup and wait'

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:58 | 5312596 TruthInSunshine
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Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:00 | 5312607 Anusocracy
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Government is man's deadliest disease.

Four hundred million deaths by government in the 20th century.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:11 | 5312628 knukles
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"We have to work now so that this is not the next AIDS epidemic"
            We've already surpassed that threshold.

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:38 | 5312699 sixsigma cygnus...
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""Ebola is not easily transmitted... we are containing it... the chances of an Ebola outbreak here in the United States are extremely low... "

That's what "They" were saying about Obama back in 2006 and look at what happened there...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:25 | 5312772 X.inf.capt
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back to the ZH doom bunker...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:30 | 5312781 InjectTheVenom
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If you like your bleeding rectum, you can keep your bleeding rectum.  Period.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:33 | 5312787 sixsigma cygnus...
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I have to imagine if there were ever a time to wish for a gay snowman, that would be it.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:38 | 5312796 InjectTheVenom
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this thing is gonna be in all 57 states by Thanksgiving !

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 02:35 | 5312873 Skateboarder
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The moment it arrives in SF Bay Area, planet-wide game over. This place fucking runs the show in terms of overall planetary employment structure pyramids. Banksterism is one thing, and tech is totally another. Anyone who works in tech knows how fucked everything will be if Silicon Valley goes down.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 02:48 | 5312882 palmdetroit
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right,.. just like when government shutsdown...

amazing but life goes on

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 03:00 | 5312893 Skateboarder
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Yeah, but those people come out living on the other side.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 06:11 | 5313062 eclectic syncretist
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the issue that no one in authority is mentioning, that is of the utmost importance, is that once the virus is allowed to escape from Africa, it could become ensconced in other countries.  You have to remember that this virus has been hiding in Central Africa for at least 50 years, with only occasional outbreaks into humans.  It could do the same thing anywhere else in the world, and that is what is happening right now.  Instead of it hiding in Central Africa it will be hiding in every continent in the world, infecting various animals (such as pigs(known), cows(likely), and chickens(possible)) that are consumed by humans.  I should not have to tell you what it would mean if there were ongoing outbreaks of Ebola from eating pork, beef, and chicken, or simply raising these animals, as I'm sure you can imagine how bad that would be.  As it stands right now there is no real hope except that an effective vaccine can be created and distributed faster than the virus spreads, and it's spreading at a rapid pace.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 06:23 | 5313081 Ghordius
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in short, Ebola has become a world common bad. which is simply a negative common good, and subject to the problems related to the "Tragedy of the Commons"

which is the single most problematic (unanswered) issue for a whole spectrum of views, from anarchy to libertarianism to classic liberalism to capitalism

and the one issue where a whole other spectrum of views has answers, from statism to socialism to fascism to communism. You might not like them, they might be even cures worse then the disease, but they are answers

so what would be a fervent, non-introspective anarcho-capitalistic reaction to that? the easiest, "political savy" one would be to blame it on a conspiracy, I'd guess, and ignore as usual all Tragedies of the Commons, or sell Doom Porn articles like a personal HazMat suit

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 11:43 | 5314336 Memedada
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http://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/seci6.html

On my phone - so just a link...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 12:02 | 5314452 Memedada
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"Significantly, Hardin later admitted his mistake and noted that "it is clear to me that the title of my original contribution should have been The Tragedy of the Unmanaged Commons . . . I can understand how I might have misled others." [quoted by O'Neill, Op. Cit., p. 199] But, of course, by then the damage had been done." - from the same link.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:36 | 5312793 InjectTheVenom
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oh btw, slightly OT, but i just realized, gee what a coincidence (?) or maybe just a lucky guess, that that effing fossilized sociopath Soros bought a fuckload of puts just a few weeks ago ... !   What timing !!!    

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 08:02 | 5313292 duo
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"Obama is not easily transmitted. The outbreak of Obama in the united states is not expected." - CDC 2006

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 02:40 | 5312876 Buck Johnson
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Your exactly right, as soon as a school aged child gets it and dies people won't sent their kids to school.  I wouldn't and why would anybody else.  Remember this is a disease that has no cure.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 04:08 | 5312958 hairInTheSoup
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mega doses of vit c shall help contain/minimize the haemorragies & survive ebola(but too cheap & no patent possible on vit c, so big pharma will keep that one quiet)

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 07:44 | 5313240 max2205
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Why doesn't everyone just call him a clueless liar to his face in public everyday till he leaves or resigns? 

 

What an embarrassment

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 08:06 | 5313312 Urban Redneck
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"Mega" dosages of ascorbic acid are not compatible with "home use" by the average serf, given the gross inefficiency of oral introduction and the skillset and infrastructure required for alternate delivery methods.

But battling ebola does present an interesting opportunity for clinicians and other providers to take back influence over their respective Health Ministries from Big Pharma, and return focus to treating patients, instead of largely dispensing pills to merely offset one of symptoms with another for the ever increasing benefit of Big Pharma's bottom line (assuming there are enough quality providers still practicing).

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 07:01 | 5317914 hairInTheSoup
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yes it is if it is :

 

liposomal

 

granted, buying the liposomal form is way too expensive & making it at home not perfect, as reaching a 50% of encapsulation being a good result, which means 50% would not be liposomal & would be wasted as the liver won't be able to process that part. side effect : light, painless dhiarea & that's it.

 

nb: with 50% waste it'd be still way lot cheaper. so basically it's a choice between dhiarea & cost.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 09:48 | 5320284 Urban Redneck
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I can't tell if you're being flippant or if you actually are that ignorant...

Information and knowledge are not the same thing.

The issue is not simply the % of ascorbic acid that actually enters the bloodstream and the product cost, there are also other issues such as avoiding absorption into the middle GI tract (hence the three primary alternatives) and stability/shelf life of a needless/redundant and expensive product (props to marketing though for figuring out a great way to separate paranoid preppers from their stacks).

With increased dosages the symptoms in (otherwise healthy) individuals progress from fluorescent piss to liquid shit to kidney stones (before you get to serious medical issues). However, I don't think you will find too many people who would testify that they found kidney stones "painless".

You sound like a drug a salesman from big pharma, peddling a magic cure. That's exactly what is wrong with institutional Medicine today - the focus has shifted away from the individual and specific patient and their exact circumstances. Doctors no longer need to know, much less practice, medicine they can just follow an informational flowchart and check boxes on paperwork they downloaded off the interwebz.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 04:12 | 5312964 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Johnson.

There is a cure. It has been discovered that the virus binds to cells using receptors that make the cell envelop the virus string and this is how the internal replication then accelerates.

The cure is to block the virus receptors so that bodies cells will not envelop the virus. This gives your immune system enough time to identify and destroy the virus.

"PROBLEM" is that the cure requires development time and very little is available right now. Oddly enough, Tobacco is the answer.

http://time.com/3457472/see-how-ebola-drugs-grow-in-tobacco-leaves/

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 05:31 | 5313019 zhandax
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Tobacco, bitches!  Not quite sure how to disinfect a hand up a primates ass as in the video, though.  I suspect a lot of paper is involved.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 06:48 | 5313119 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.
I will say that "NO" Rally Monkey's were harmed in the development of the antidote.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 04:05 | 5312955 hairInTheSoup
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i'm gonna get bash for this (those with open mind do make your own research before bashing for free, for the rest that systematically reject any idea implying they've been lied to, well sorry & good luck)):

the analogy is not good for many reasons but not the randomness.

indeed, If AIDS (no immune system) is real, HIV is a ghost :

because HIV have never been isolated & the tests are IN FACTpurely & completely random. what have been killing hiv patient (that were not sick before being tested hiv+) being the psychological impact of knowing you're HIV+ along with thee treatments that have for side effect, guess what : defficiency of the immune system.

(NB : THIS IS NOT AIDS DENIAL, but a hiv one, if you don't get the difference, move on)

another one is that the evolution of hiv (well the results of the random test) didn't follow any of the pattern any  pandemy always otherwise follow.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 08:47 | 5313466 pods
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There has been 20+ years of HIV=AIDS indoctrination.  You will not be seeing many who will even entertain that view.

Hell, Duesberg has been raked over the coals for a long time over his thoughts about this.

I haven't looked, but you could probably plot AIDS deaths with AZT dosage and it would have a good correlation.  That is my theory.

HIV is nowhere near as scary as it was (being I have not seen any information that actually proves HIV is not just free floating proteins).

pods

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:22 | 5315913 mkkby
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The articles on Duesberg's web site are fascinating.  It is highly likely aids is another drug company scam. Nobody on ZH should be surprised.

Just questioning the assumptions gets you blacklisted from science.  Science is all about debate.  When simply trying to have an open mind gets you fired and ridiculed out of the field, someone is covering something up.

I was always suspicious that aids was so prevalent in the gay community plus druggies, and nowhere else.  Turns out gays were using a recreational drug that nobody else was.

In africa, almost no testing is done.  Aids is ASSUMED if the patient has a fever with weight loss.  It could be malaria or many other things.

 

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 07:09 | 5317918 hairInTheSoup
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you could have mentionned also that the gallo/jung paper that is supposed to prove the hiv/aids correlation have never ever been peer reviewed. instead it was directly & heavily mediatised as "the reason for aids has been found"...

& that gallo have never been a researcher, more like a business man & the bitch of big pharma

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 07:19 | 5317922 hairInTheSoup
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"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document."

Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."

Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sanger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemistry, Munchen.

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:13 | 5312447 economics9698
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"Ebola Pandemic, meet global financial reset!

This is not speculation, but a marriage announcement."

Timing is perfect, too fucking perfect.  Makes no difference, give me the rope and the next banker.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:17 | 5312460 TruthInSunshine
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Strip clubs & whore houses are the perfect forum to shed RNA Ebola viruses all over the place, since most people will be very reluctant to admit they were there or what they were doing there.

Maybe it will mix with the other viruses (HIV, gonorrhea, syphilis, herpes, etc.) prevalent at such places and create perfect little Frankenbola mutated horror viruses.

Reggie Love Robin! To the fruitBat Cave bathhouse!

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:19 | 5312478 Never One Roach
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Haven’t heard a peep during this Ebola crisis from Merika’s Surgeon General, supposedly Merika’s top doc.

Where is he hiding?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/where-hell-surgeon-general-095007055--politics.htm...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:59 | 5312604 JLee2027
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We don't have one. The nomination has been stalled for a year.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:13 | 5312637 knukles
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Well, see, of we did then we wouldn't have this nightmare upon our fair shores, for as the Surgeon General, he could have cut this ghastly tumor out long ago and we'd be free to continue our exceptional progress for the children.

It takes a village to transmit this shit

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 05:43 | 5313036 zhandax
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Don't you mean  "It takes a village idiot to transmit this shit"

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 08:51 | 5313494 New England Patriot
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I'm not just a surgeon, but also a general. And it's the job of a general to by God get things done.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:16 | 5312642 DFCtomm
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You're on the ball. Why don't you tell us who the assistant President is.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:49 | 5312720 SilverIsKing
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Obama of course.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:51 | 5312724 DFCtomm
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Points for being clever.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 05:50 | 5313045 zhandax
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I would have gone with Valerie FTW.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:14 | 5312636 TheReplacement
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Think day after turkey day - malls stuffed with stuffed stuffers stuffing stuff into their stuffed stuffcards.  Lots of touchy this and touchy that. 

Yeah that would be a good way to get at a community.

Sporting events like the Superbowl.  Get people from all over the country there.

You wanna defeat the disease you gotta think like the disease.  Or criminals.  6 to 1 but half a dozen plus the other is 7.

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 02:46 | 5312881 Blano
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Would also be a good day for ISIS to behead somebody in a public place.

Just sayin'.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 04:06 | 5312953 drunkenlout
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In concert with the "Weekend of Resistance" demonstrations, St. Louis has the opening game of NLCS on Saturday night, and there is also a Blues hockey game.  Protests are still going on in Ferguson on the North side, and have started on the South Side, where an officer shot a young man who fired 3 shots at him before his gun jammed.  Some of the young man's relatives said he had no gun, only a sandwich.  The police chief said no sandwich was found, only a jammed hand gun, and three bullets discharged from it.  Last weekend, protestors disrupted a St. Louis symphony concert.  The area around the ball park will be cordoned off, and limited to only people who have tickets.  St. Louis County activated its Emergency Operations Center at 4 p.m. Thursday, with all the SWAT teams and MRAPS.  Helicopter loading exercises were conducted a month ago just across the river at Scott AFB to coordinate military vehicle delivery by helo with "civilian" law enforcement.  A little thing like Ebola could just get lost in the crowds.

Lots of citizens are calling for military to just sweep the whole place clean.  

So, I'd say Cardinals in seven, in order to keep the national media focused on the beginning of Martial Law in the US, at least for the rest of October.   

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 04:23 | 5312972 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Lout.

"That no gun, that be he samwish"!

Listen. I feel sorry for you Americans caught in the cross-hairs. Obama bringing all these race riots to your doorsteps. "BLACKISH" forced down your throat, like it or not you will have to luv your black "FOLKS". No matter how disgusting their lifestyle.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 15:36 | 5325338 markpower49
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Please Lord, may all blacks be infected with Ebola. The world would be a much better place.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:47 | 5312698 Freebird
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Let's get real here. Forget Aids. This little virus is as contagious as flu...does anyone here figure that the nurses & doctors was who have perished already were having any form of sexual intercourse / relationships with the carriers? 

Now, listen ( & that includes you Banga-ass )..our fearless leaders are paying lip service to the problem...they have had what 3 months on this - 1. Isolate & monitor every fucker that has been in contact / deemed a risk 2. Quarantine & monitor these same people for a three week period BEFORE flying to our global neighbourhoods & 3. Postpone all flights from these key African countries at outset. Contain , contain, contain..

FU with your key 5 airports taking temperatures...is everybody so stupid? Are our fearless leaders really that ignorant? FU with your hospital plastic screens, duct tape & danger signs. FU distributing it on a Dallas sidewalk to the general public & to a couple of  black minimum wage earners. FU with your 160000 Hazmat suits to save your sorry elected asses.

FU yes! As it could & may well fuck some of us permanantly.

The 3000 troops would also like to say a special FU as they really do not know why they are there & believe they could well die without firing a shot...

Oh & FU Edward Quince.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 10:11 | 5313897 Pie rre
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Don't forget the stock piling of hermetically sealed coffins.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:09 | 5312435 seek
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Or just bottle sweat during the infection period, and hit salad bars with a spritz the way the cult in Oregon did back in the '80s.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 03:41 | 5312930 ss123
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Pretty gross but I still bumped you +1

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:26 | 5312775 RafterManFMJ
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You know, I read a story that claimed suicide bombers were purposely infected with Aids, 'cause what the Hell, they're dead anyways, and when they blew up in a crowd even a bone fragment shrapnel could infect a victim...

...now I'm no expert on 4th generation war, but an Ebola carrier detonating himself in a crowded mall or sporting event, say several attackers over a few days, would pretty much shut down the economy...

Who would venture out? Black Friday would be an excellent time for such an endeavor...

...also, if the terrorist could detonate OVER a crowd this would increase the dispersion area; avoid any Arabs dressed in bulky, concealing Clown Suits walking through crowds while on stilts.

Long oilskin dusters, Amazon, and microwave popped corn.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:02 | 5312415 Overfed
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Fuuuuck....we wish it was only as bad as AIDS. May not be 100% fatal like AIDS, but it's many times more easily transmitted. We may just be fucked.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:07 | 5312429 A Lunatic
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Aids doesn't leave you dead in a puddle of your own bloody shit within two weeks either.........

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:18 | 5312477 seek
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Or require a full ICU and staff to keep you alive for two weeks.

One of the things I think is getting missed here is the scale issue. This is something that has to be stopped when it's small. Five cases in one city, OK, you've got the resources to care for them in an ICU and contain the spread. Five hundred? No fucking way. We've seen the same thing in Africa, the hospitals get overwhelmed rapidly and send people back home to die (and spread the disease.)

Because of this, if we do see a few dozen cases spread around the US, I'd fully expect a pretty draconian public health response.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:31 | 5312518 hedgeless_horseman
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Because of this, if we do see a few dozen cases spread around the US,
I'd fully expect a pretty draconian public health response.

I guarantee it.  Now, combine that with full-scale panic and everybody bugging out to who knows where.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:34 | 5312537 NemoDeNovo
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Agreed its all ready 'baked' in the cake so to speak, all we are doing now is watching this [sorta] slow motion car wreck.  As I said above just imagine the panic when a school aged child is diagnosed here and then dies from ebola.  Wanna see the sheeple go FULL Retard, just wait for that moment, my advice get your shit together now, before you can't.  I wish I could come up with a logical reason this will be stopped in its tracks, but I can't seem to find even one.  Good luck to all, pretty sure we are going to need it over the next several years......

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:17 | 5312647 knukles
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Yes....

If this becomes full blown, bugging out might be more risky than sheltering in place.
Just sayin'
Try Gettinouta Dodge is gonna be one Motherfuckin' Crowded Trail.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:45 | 5312708 seek
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Key to bugging out is 1) bugging out early and 2) having someplace to go to.

Now late and nowhere to go... whelp, can you imagine the superdome post-Katrina with ebola tossed in for good measure? That's nightmare material.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 04:45 | 5313004 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.

Everyone calm-the-fuck "DOWN".

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:51 | 5312721 MsCreant
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Crowds. Mmmmm....says Ebola.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:31 | 5312520 TruthInSunshine
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The real crisis even a relatively small outbreak (far smaller in # than west Africa) will create in the U.S. & other developed nations' urban, densely populated areas is the sheer scale of money, personnel & other resources required to attempt to both treat the infected & contain the virus from spreading.

There's a cost-benefit analysis that is an awful calculation where really hard choices will have to be made in order not to have the system crash.

Even 20 infections in a major city, given the incubation period, especially if the virus is either more efficiently transmissible than what is being admitted now or gains that efficiency, could pose a real and lasting crisis.

*Remember that medical technology is counterintuitive in terms of economics because advancement in technology & capabilities drives costs UP.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:35 | 5312530 hedgeless_horseman
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...in order not to have the system crash?

That may be the point.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:40 | 5312550 NemoDeNovo
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That IS the point, or atleast it will be used as the cover for the system crash.

 

"Never let a good crisis go to waste"  ~ TutuMan Rahm

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:47 | 5312809 InjectTheVenom
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or how 'bout this for "not letting a good crisis go to waste" ...a "temporary" (*coughindefinetecough*) postponement of the midterm elections (yes, the very same midterm elections in which the blue team is scared to death of losing control of the Senate) ... 'cuz if some folks can't safely get out to the voting booths, then how can we have a fair election ?     ;>)

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:03 | 5312554 TruthInSunshine
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You are a step or several ahead.

I may just be a cynical person burned out on government bullshit, but I see an opportunity here for governments to not let a crisis go to waste, or to conflate a relatively small issue (statistically speaking) into another public panic plot, in order to further other agendas and/or distract the public from other agendas actively being put into place.

As HH, Nemo & others are implying, think about the rush in sign-ups for ObamaCare that the now young, uninsured, vulnerable to Ebola demographic slice of the population would create (the very people a flawed ACA inherently depends on to be even remotely sustainable over even an intermediate time frame).

Watch the blue side of the red-blue paradigm scream "conspiracy!" at the top of their lungs.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:24 | 5312663 knukles
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If the blue side starts yellin' "Conspiracy", just maybe they're startin' to catch on.

After all, we're not the only tribe on the planet can see things as they are.
And the sheeple are not as dumb as many here seem to imply.
Because I don't think that I run with only the most exceptional crowd.
See, I'm not in Lake Woebegone where everybody is above average.
And I hang with a lot of polar types; Progressives, Neo-Cons and Libertarians all mixed in.

Not quite as dumb as many think.
Now, they may not agree on what the roots of the societal disease might be.... nor do we all here, even
For example.
We bitch piss and moan about crony capitalism, fiat money, paid politicians, bankers, etc., etc., etc.
I, my friends, see all of those as manifestations of a greater problem.  Mere Symptoms of the Disease

Which is a crumbled foundation of morality, ethics and character.
But that is another question for another time.
Enjoy your Stay-Cation

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 07:35 | 5313219 Calmyourself
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I am in Lake Wobegone and they are just as ignorant, case in point Al Franken, diaper boy Senator probably re-elected.  I was so hoping for his crony capitalist replacement..

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:36 | 5312688 sylviasays
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"Aids doesn't leave you dead in a puddle of your own bloody shit within two weeks either........."

AIDS was a death sentence in the 1980's and 1990's before the development of HIV medications

http://nypost.com/2014/03/19/beating-aids-how-medical-innovation-ended-a...


Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:19 | 5312479 HardAssets
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Oh . . . . its Exactly like HIV/AIDS . . .

another Fraud.

 

Check out Jon Rappoport's research on both AIDS and ebola. 

Americans in the dark . . . . like always.  Perhaps the most lied to people in the world, starting in grade school and lasting till their dead.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:38 | 5312514 Overfed
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I have personally known two people who died of AIDS. Both lived with it for about 15 years.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:43 | 5312702 sylviasays
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Without treatment, people who progress to AIDS typically survive about 3 years. Once you have a dangerous opportunistic illness, life-expectancy without treatment falls to about 1 year.

http://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/just-diagnosed-with-hiv-aids/hiv-in-...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 09:12 | 5313603 HardAssets
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You believe the govt on 'HIV/AIDS' ?

Too bad for you

Probably will be first in line when the 'miracle cure' is offered for the next 'pandemic'

Culling is so easy

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 02:14 | 5312841 Chandos
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Chesler said:

Q: How do you know when Obongo is lying?

A: He's not golfing.

 

Good one, but you're assuming he doesn't cheat on the golf course....

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 05:18 | 5313015 Felix da Kat
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He lies about his golf score, too.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:21 | 5312491 Sam Clemons
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A bit different than AIDS.  Medical workers are getting Ebola.  They don't get AIDS because they don't fornicate with AIDS patients.  Ebola doesn't seem to require fornication.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:30 | 5312522 Skateboarder
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That doesn't matter to them - they'll continue to compare it AIDS to downplay its significance.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:47 | 5312570 Government need...
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More pain, no pleasure.  CONTAINED.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:26 | 5312666 knukles
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Well, fuck me.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:31 | 5312782 RafterManFMJ
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Not till your blood work comes back.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:04 | 5312747 phaedrus1952
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As regards medical people getting ebola ... there are unconfirmed reports coming out now that the Spanish nurse just died.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:57 | 5312398 Shizzmoney
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#mint

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:58 | 5312400 Ineverslice
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lol, Rofl!

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:20 | 5312481 drendebe10
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"Eboly virus". The arrogant corrupt narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic liar in chief is dumber than a box of cat littered turds.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:35 | 5312677 Freddie
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Ameerika is a govt of criminals.  The military involved?  Why?  Oh to control the populace. 

Just protect the f***king borders.    Amerika spends $1.5 trillion on defense and homeland security but the borders are wide open. These people are so evil.

Also Tylers - I can avoid AIDS because it is a largely a behaviorial disease.  If I am not Rock Hudson or George Clooney then I can avoid AIDS.   I may contract ebola from some African flying here for free healthcare or someone walking across the open borders.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 05:49 | 5313042 Ebanga Planti
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Still voices like ours will hardly go loud or create an impression in the midst of a large gullible crowd. 

What's going on around the world now is exactly what washington and its 1% Lords want.

The President of Argentina described them as 'Economic Vultures and War Falcons'

http://pneumatikeconomist.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/a-must-watch-speech-f...

I have told you that they have the remedy and wont release it any soon till their goals are met

They will also resist and disrupt any potential remedy rival that wants to helpout at this time

SO, STOP DREAMING AND GET READY FOR EBOLA BECAUSE IT MUST BE, IF IT IS WASHINGTON THAT IS IN CHARGE OF CONTAINING IT!

http://pneumatikeconomist.wordpress.com/2014/08/28/if-the-ukraine-strate...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:56 | 5312391 Ineverslice
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Obola...

i won't have to worry bout my mortgage and putting gas ...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:24 | 5312504 atthelake
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When people don't pay their mortgage, the banksters will swoop in and take everything. Ebola is perfect for banksters.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:20 | 5312652 TheReplacement
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Except a real panic just might cause the thugs to think twice about exposing themselves to other people's living quarters.  Ebola might have repercussions TPTB never fathomed.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:28 | 5312672 knukles
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Yeah.
Like every last single structure been infected with the disease will need to be torched.

WTF! Am I the only person who understands the ramifications, here?

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 07:40 | 5313231 Calmyourself
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Krugman is that you??

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:14 | 5312763 Things that go bump
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Since when have they done their own dirty work?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:57 | 5312396 Shizzmoney
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This is worse than AIDS.  And AIDS is pretty bad.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:05 | 5312420 owensdrillin
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Difference being you ain't getting aids by getting coughed on.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:57 | 5312401 Captain Jack Sparrow
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The articles are so crap today I've been looking at the ZH store.  Might get me a hat or a mug...

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:12 | 5312454 DFCtomm
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ZH has become the new weekly world news. I'm waiting for the first batboy impregnate Hillary article.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:26 | 5312512 conscious being
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Troll fail.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:51 | 5312583 DFCtomm
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hehe that's all you got? There is a thread down the page where a guy said that JFK jr. was killed by his flight instructor who was being mind controlled, MIND CONTROL BITCH! Now that's entertainment!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:21 | 5312656 TheReplacement
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There is such a thing you do realize yes?  Just reread your posts for example.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:39 | 5312660 DFCtomm
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Now see I asked the other guy 22winmag to elaborate, but he didn't, so now why don' t you tell us a bit more about mind control, and could you tell us about how you came by this information. I really do look forward to your reply.

 

P.S. So you aren't going to reply? You're such a fucking tease.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:11 | 5312758 Captain Jack Sparrow
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He didn't have to reply, he replied through mind control haha. 

Yeah same boring weekly news. 

What happened to the exciting story about isis blowing up a dam that would flood Baghdad?  Now that shit was interesting!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:16 | 5312766 DFCtomm
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He got voicemail.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:31 | 5312783 Seek_Truth
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MK Ultra.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:42 | 5312800 DFCtomm
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MK Ultra? Let me put on my mind control hat, here. I'll bet you learned that on your perpetual journey of seeking the truth. amiright? Better go get the tinfoil hat. I'm in your brain, and I've got on dirty shoes. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 08:54 | 5313504 conscious being
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This game you are playing was funny maybe 10 years ago. Now, everybody but you and your sidekick knows the emporer has no clothes.

Grow up and get a real job.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:58 | 5316095 DFCtomm
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I'll compare jobs. I work in the nuclear field doing service on particle accelerators. The pintos of particle accelerators but acclerators none the less. Your turn.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 03:13 | 5312905 ebear
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Mind Control, eh?   You mean like religion, cultural identity, patriotism, gender roles, that sort of mind control?   How about suicide bombers,  The Unification Church, Aum Shinrikyo, Scientology, Jonestown, the Manson family, Branch Davidians, Raelians, The Church of the Subgenius?

Seriously, you actually think the govt. isn't intersted in how that shit works, that they haven't studied AND applied it?

What do you call TV, MSM, Wall St., Hollywood, Much Music, Greenpeace, The World Wildlife Fund, The World Wide Web, the Easter Bunny and fucking Santa Claus?

You think YOUR mind isn't being controlled?   You're here, aren't you?

Explain that.

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 03:40 | 5312920 DFCtomm
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How exactly does that gender roles mind control work, and what is this Santa Claus connection. Tell me can you mind control attractive women using their gender roles, and if so have you done an infomercial, or perhaps a show on MTV as a PUA? Do tell.

 

Explain that? Explain that? Dude! You just blew my mind man. Wow, like I can feel my consciousness expanding into a double rainbow.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 08:02 | 5313279 ebear
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Gender roles and Santa Claus?  

What made you chose those two from the list?


Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:01 | 5316106 DFCtomm
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Those were the funny ones, and when it comes to conspriacy theories that's all that counts, to me at least.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:02 | 5312704 DFCtomm
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eh, hasn't been the same without milliondollarbonus anyway.

 

P.S. Maybe I should try to get banned. Chuck Palahniuk is gay!!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 08:56 | 5313526 conscious being
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That won't work. If you want to get banned, you need to talk about your tribe.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:07 | 5312405 conscious being
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From the other Ebola thread.

Miffed [Microbiologist], it does help. Thanks.

This to me is significant ->> "This information is based on experimental findings only and not based on observations in nature."

The extended longevity outside-the-host they're discussing has not been observed in nature, only in the lab, because as far as we know, Ebola has never before, been on the loose in nature in its observed, ideal, outside-the-host environment of 4C and lower humidity.

If all true, looks bad for temperate regions, N. America in particular. Y/N?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:44 | 5312561 NemoDeNovo
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Nature finds a way.  I am not an 'expert' but things change and evolve all the time and to think this won't is naive at best and ignorant as fuck at worst.  Not sayin run to the bunker, but this should be taken seriously and not just blown off as so many I see are doing.  Fail to heed on this one at your own peril.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 02:08 | 5312834 Proofreder
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Here's the thing about transmission; perhaps one recalls the cruise ship virus - Norwalk virus - with a high percentage of cruise ship victims making the voyage by rail, vomit everywhere and lots of rear sphincter distress ... and how was it determined to be transmitted ???

By handrails.  Fucking handrails. Everyone used the handrails on a ship and few washed their hands often and most people touch their face, mouth, eyes, or lips several times a minute.

Handrails.  

Ebola is tiny - many more are in that patch of spit cough slime smudge particulate than are blamed in the cruise ship incidents.  Takes only 150 particles of the Thread virus to begin the exponential growth cycle in a human host.  

Ebola is also very dumb - no discrimination whatsoever, except perhaps a preference for monkey kidney and human white blood cells and meat.  That's all we are to Ebola, choice cuts of meat.

Memo to self - don't book the Carnival to Liberia or especially the return voyage.  We may be doomed, shit's getting close to the fan; are we really prepared - gotta check to see how long we can Shelter - need more food, more staples, MOAR TOILET PAPER.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 09:06 | 5313566 conscious being
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Re. "no discrimination"

I wonder about that. I wonder what the victim's blood-type is/are. People with type-O are immune to the malaria virus because their red blood cells do not have the binding sites for the virus to get in.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 10:24 | 5313965 Miffed Microbio...
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Unfortunately O type blood is not resistant to malaria. I've handled a lot of blood from malaria patients and believe me I wore gloves ( I'm Opos) I think you are confusing this with Duffy antigens on red cells that do seem to be the mechanism of attachment in Plasmodium vivax. However there all 3 other Malaria species, ( P. Falciparum being the most deadly) that are in Africa. Duffy red cell antigens are very common in most populations.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duffy_antigen_system

Miffed

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:59 | 5312407 Atomizer
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The same genetic profile who creates race division from the White House. Aids and ebola are pampered diversions to inflict niggerism on the planet. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:15 | 5312641 Eirik Magnus Larssen
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You are sickening.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:37 | 5312794 RafterManFMJ
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Oh fuck! He mind-sneezed on me.

It might be dat I is all infected n sheet. I b thinkin' nows a good time to fly to Dallas n see mah famibly.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 09:11 | 5313593 conscious being
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You know RafterMan that's funny, but if you talked funny kosher you'd likely get tossed. If you ever do get tossed btw, be sure to reincarnate, because your posts for the most part are appreciated.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 07:42 | 5313237 Calmyourself
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How many rapes have you stopped, dirty scandi...  Work at home before you comment on American society.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 22:59 | 5312408 kowalli
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Thank god, it's USA, an exceptional country, it will save us / sacr

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:50 | 5312579 Atomizer
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You do realize that we are so fucking pissed off with this administration. We didn't grow up in this fucked up liberal system. I was born in 1967.

Whether it's bullets or compromise, these civil servant idiots will lose in the end.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 02:33 | 5312871 zebrasquid
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I was born in the early 1950s, we hated commies then, now we let them run our country and don't seem to have much of an idea how to change it back.
Our parents and grandparents would despise us for letting this happen.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:01 | 5312412 Headspace
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I'll take $20 on the General's POV.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:04 | 5312419 holdbuysell
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Market Skeptics' Eric deCarbonnel has a different view about what AIDs really is. It's an interesting theory, but a subplot to his five part series on the ESF.

Worth the watch:

What I have been afraid to blog about: THE ESF AND ITS HISTORY (Part 1-5)

 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:06 | 5312422 CoastalCowboy
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The next AIDS should we be so lucky.  This has Small Pox or Black Death potential at a minimum.

Political correctness' death will be the only good thing to come of this plague.  Frieden is both a liar and a spineless moron. 

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:10 | 5312438 conscious being
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Frieden, the dual-citizen, defending the country.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:11 | 5312451 The_Prisoner
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Which country?

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:33 | 5312533 Overfed
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Not this one.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:43 | 5312805 RafterManFMJ
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Come quietly to the FEMA camp
You'd look nice as a drawstring lamp
Don't you worry, it's only a shower
For your clothes here's a pretty flower.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 01:53 | 5312818 InjectTheVenom
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not exactly the Limerick King .....

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 04:25 | 5312975 RafterManFMJ
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Huh.

Ida thought ZH would have a contingent of Dead Kennedy fans.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 07:44 | 5313239 Cui Bono
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Harder core than thou for a year or two but then its time to get a real job.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:06 | 5312426 falconflight
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A year from now, no one will even remember this story.  Better odds that the world financial system crashes and takes hundreds of millions with it. Let's not get herded just yet.  

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:08 | 5312434 falconflight
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You think this is bad, just watch the Walking Dead.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 00:49 | 5312718 Savyindallas
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Or 28 days after, and the sequel 28 weeks after. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 07:45 | 5313243 Calmyourself
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Those idiots could not find one suppressed rifle in all of England? Always pissed me off, cricket bats meh..

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:09 | 5312437 A Lunatic
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Many will gladly surrender the remainder of their freedoms and dignity today for the promise of getting saved from Ebola tomorrow......

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:17 | 5312470 conscious being
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Looks like that's the plan. Here's the occupiers new and improved solution to the 2nd Amendment ... Ebola vaccinations with extra crunchy nano-bits-and-pieces.

Thu, 10/09/2014 - 23:09 | 5312443 DFCtomm
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The next AIDS? That's a fucking relief.

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