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I love the smell of Ebola in the morning.
If you like your bloody rectum, you can keep your bloody rectum. PERIOD.
That's some seriously fucked up shit. Just gut shoot me, that would be easier, less painful and quicker.
easier still,
just get away from it, and let it run its course...
MOTHER NATURE BATS LAST!!
Don't Ebola me, Bro!
Pics or GTFO
My daughter is going to Texas/ OU weekend in Dallas and with so many vomiting college kids I told her it would be hard to know if it was Ebola sickness. I said stay away if you see them with people dressed like teletubbies.
Well, I won't worry knowing the USSA gubmint ordered 160,000 hazmat suits for the politicians and their families and friends so they can stop the disease before it gets to the general population. We'll all be saved! Yay! Go team USSA!
Washington Post articles:
This one's a little more in depth than the Wall Street Journal on Ebola's effects.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/health/ebola-effect-on-body/#
A comparison of the time to spread various viruses to 100 people and the dead rates per 110 people infected.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/health/how-ebola-spreads/
Emory Power Point Presentation about what was learned from first 2 Ebola patients. My takeaways-there was a huge number of people involved in their care (see last pages) and the fact that "commercial couriers, even those certified in Category A shipping, refused to pick up anything from Emory that was destined for the CDC."
http://www.tnpublichealth.org/2014-presentations/Wed.%20PM%20Workshop,%2...
Bah, those suits are only an illusion of protection. Anyone who has actually worn a CBR suit and a gas mask for a few hours knows its pure misery, and that's when I was in top shape as a Marine. Those cushy politicians wouldn't last an hour wearing one.
Actually, you're totally right!
Fuck Ebola. Only panick when you see it in your city and than you hire a R4 and take the kid camping for 3 months in the woods.
SOMETHING MUST BE DONE.
MY GOVERNMENT MUST SAVE ME.
IF ONLY THERE WERE VACCINATIONS.
AND EVERYONE WAS FORCED TO GET ONE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEvYdNP2unk
Something "should" have been done. I.E. stop all incoming flights from affected countries including connecting flights.
Save yourself. Our government is FAR too incompetent ( or complicit ) to save anyone.
Vaccinations are a risky proposition. You could just as easily receive an agent that will make you MORE susceptable to infection / transmission of a multitude of diseases.
Force. Because force is a negative, to expect positive results, is unrealistic. Violence begets violence.
Yes, the same people who brought you AMRIID, Ft Detrick and Tulane University are incompetent. If only things were that simple.
How would you know if its in your town when it incubates 2 to 21 days, and it manifests with flue like symptoms.
You'll know it when it is officially denied.
Eat more waffles; it's good for your immune system. Be sure and kill all the Eurocrats first, or they might start trying to 'fix' the situation; and we know they would fuck it up beyond hope.
This is much easier for the evil gov than having to shoot (near all) Americans.
Open borders & no limits on flights from ebola nations is a far cry from protecting the sovernty of the US.
Bill Gates must be sooooo pleased at the prospect of ebola taking out most of the world populations - a huge depopulationist advocate (down to about 5oo,ooo akin to agenda 21). yup, we are fuked.
Ever wonder what would happen if some jackass were to make a joke about having Ebola on an airplane?
Skip to 0:30 for the flight attendant announcement, and the guy gets escorted off at about 7:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJhWVsx1U8c
I will be watching Katerina Vittozzi in Liberia very closely, maybe we can actually see a picture of a real Ebola Patient...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqEOwjJzZo8
See, this is why commercial traffic, at least OUT of the seriously affected countries, needs to be stopped. Who the fuck is dumb enough to voluntarily get into that situation? And you can be she'll be hopping on a plane out of there at the first sign of 'fever, fatigue, headache...'. Enough already.
...yeah, Malaria has the exact same symptoms, and btw, Malaria cause 600,000 deaths each year in Africa which is easily cured/treated with Sweet Wormwood...but don't tell anyone I said that...
Hell, they could kill all the mosquitoes w/ DDT for a few bucks... Not saying the whole ecosystem would be fine, but DDT is not harmful to humans (and would in fact save human lives).
Yes indeed, that's exactly what they done in the South Eastern U.S., Malaria was a huge problem for the Pilgrams.
Blood oozing from all other orifices is just fine though?
Tyler, you need more playful kittens on here; and pictures of puppies, you know ? this is getting depressing.
The ad that came up with this page says "come experience God"...
The other ad was for a hospital... The internets are so helpful.
My thinking is this: give hazmat suits to the Ebola patients. "Put it on, then the ambulance will pick you up."
The words you need to fear the most: "The CDC is now on the scene."
Ebolacare
Survivors may wish they were not survivors.............
True,
the organ damage to those who survive immediate death
likely results in health problems and a shortened life expectancy.
excellent ! have a nice weekend everybody !!!!
that's the nice thing about being 72; it ain't gonna shorten my life expectancy very damn much. Besides, I'm gonna get a flu shot; that ought to take care of it. ??
Good thing you have no family or friends...?
With the inevitable breakdown (or at least severe degradation) of all those very essential elements of public infrastructure, along with the problems associated with management (or lack of) where the "still infective" dead are concerned, I'd very safely wager that this WILL be the case.
Remember, if this does become established to any significant extent - (which in Public Health terms would be a 15 - 20% excess mortality event), life for the survivors WILL change.We may even see a return to an almost Mediaeval standard of existence, for those still in larger population centres . . .
Are billionaire Zionists immune?
Does George Soros shit in the woods?
What Schwartz does on his own land with consenting adults is his own business.
No, but alot of jewish bodies were buried there.
Seek help, you are not well, possibly ebola
private island a good thing
I react the same way when I see Obama or eat McDonald's "food." I do not see Obama too much because I do not watch brainwash TV. TV is for retards.
Everybody
Bleeding
Out
Languid
Assholes
Hey Newbie, that's MY photo you're sportin' there. Also, you're referencing the wrong waste product.
Pfff...rookies.
it is my photo from another forum board (Beer Advocate). Piss pants is just my general demeanor when it comes to the state of the world. FYI... Shittersful is a great beer, no bull shit
Epidemic
Because
Obama
Loathes
America
Epidemic
Because
Obama
Loathes Loves
America Africans
Wonder what the long term care issues are?
Torture.
"Death doesn't bargain."
Well... If they ask you if you've got insurance at the hospital... In a way....
I just bought a bottle of "Anti-Ebolean Cream" on the Ali Yo Mama Chinese web site with Free Shipping.
It looks great ... 100% guaranteed to protect you from catching the virus ... or ... your money back.
Can't beat that, right!
Pulp faction
You didn't bleed that.
You won't die alone
"Yes we can !"
How does ebola affect wallets of those running this scare-of-the-year campaign. That's what I want to know.
Nothing with that cross-demographic fear factor like the possibility of a historic pandemic, that we must be saved from (by mandatory vaccines, not by banning flights).
The "Ebolean Anti-Defamation League" is down votting everyone.
Downvotes on ZH, a place where you can comment UNCENSORED, are quite meaningless. If they actualyl had something to say, they would say it. A downvote is more an attempt to reject an idea without having to figure out WHY you reject the idea.
an the wusses are afraid of dyin'...so they can't be livin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-d2T29dNMY
I usually down-vote to indicate that I disagree strongly with the poster, or think that they are FOS. I up vote for the obverse reasons. It's shorthand - don't have to spend the time writing and editing the hows and whys.
Eat your bleeds.
Pot will do the same thing to you along with lots of lick-her.
The real danger here is that current facts indicate an airborne or aerosolized virus, however our response thus far does not reflect that risk. Clearly people are getting this without touching an infected person. The only real way to limit is complete isolation of infected individuals in a pressurized room with an air lock, and those that treat need a positive displacement, pressurized suit.
If I'm getting this correct, infectees would be kept in a negative pressure room. This way the air flow doesn't push the virus out of the room.
yes, negative room and positive suit.
"aerosolized"
adj: "In the form of ultramicroscopic solid or liquid particles dispersed or suspended in air or gas"
Exactly. It's most likely aerosolized or airborne.
So the spreadable stuff is safe. Or the roll-on. Just not the aerosol.
That's it. Just roll it on and make sure you're completely covered.
It seems crazy to me that no one else from that Dallas apartment has gotten sick. No one from the ambulance, none of the relatives in close proximity in a small (and hot) apartment. I guess we're now in the sweet spot for the illness to emerge in them, it just smells odd.
The family living with Duncan is in isolation, they are already bleeding out of their asses on the way to a painful death.
If a sheriff deputy got Ebola from being in the apartment, the "family" had no chance. The government is going to keep the deaths quiet. Duncan was dead last week, the hospital just kept him on machines to give hope of recovery. Once the dialysis machine was just recirculating his liquefied kidneys they had no choice but to just declare him dead. I hope that machine went into the incinerator since it was filled with billions of Ebola virus particles.
A dead body filled with Ebola is the most dangerous vector for the disease. Like a piece of bread covered in mold.
is there a confirmed case involving a deputy? I havn't heard that as of yet
That was thought to be true as late as yesterday. It is false.
http://us.cnn.com/2014/10/09/health/ebola-crisis/index.html
As for the "bleeding out of their asses" in isolation, there are no legitimate reports of that.
Probably right as Obozo has been missing on the links lately.
Nothing short of a disaster would cause that.
Got a link for the family bleeding out of their asses thing? They are at high risk, and if none of them develop the illness that would be very good news.
Sheriff's deputy tested negative.
Organs don't actually liquify. The author of The Hot Zone took some artisitic license. That doesn't mean they don't have other severe problems.
Actually, the dialysis machine pulls blood out, runs it past a membrane filter and pumps it back in to the patient. Nothing "liquifies". Multi organ failure in the face of sepsis is due to organs getting plugged by markedly increased levels of debris resulting from the body's attempt to fight the illness. This is why the organs affected are the highly vascularized ones (brain, lungs, kidneys, liver. Most of the debris is from innappropriate microvascular clotting. It's ironic that one bleeds out from multiple areas due to over clotting in the wrong places, but that's basically the story. I have dealt with these sort of patients for years-sepsis mostly from bacteria, fungus or virus. The new scary thing about this one is the lack of curative agents, immunization shots, or the knowledge of transmission- in my mind contact with fluids from the patient or items contaminated by him. Droplets or airborne to me are highly likely to be the issue and I can say that none of us regular community hospital staff are experienced with this level of biohazard. I fear the worst for us if this gets going and I for one will not be joining this fight.
DIC or "Consumption coagulopathy" sums it up nicely. It's not just fibrin, and FDPs (that are immunostimulant), but also general cellular debris resulting from necrosis / lysis, such as myoglobin, which really screws up the kidneys (not uncommon to see creatinines up in high 100's, and eGFRs in the low single digits!) Dialysis / CAPD can be beneficial, but the last thing you want in a bleeding and infectious Patient is more, large holes . . . .
My take on this problem, is that those who have been treated (successfully, or not), have all consumed significant amounts of FFP. Now, FFP is hardly a "mass produced" item, and should the "problem" become disseminated (as it will) blood products are going to be in very short supply.
As to the capability of the US peacetime Health Service to manage a significant event - consider that the present system is based around a "for profit" model, and so excess capacity is limited. There is always some spare capacity, but if you expect hundreds of single-room beds to pop up out of nowhere you're in for a rude awakening.
In reality it wouldn't take many tens, maybe a few hundreds of casulalties to overwhelm the US peacetime system. Consider that all the commonly-used predictive models indicate we're at the start of an unfolding event, not the end, and you may have cause for concern.
This is the key and what I think many here don't understand. Death is from DIC. You and I know once that cascade starts, it's a motherf'er to stop. My only easy ones were placental abruptions when an emergency C section to remove the stillborn fetus stopped the need for massive amounts of FFP. I saw many from GNR sepsis like you experienced and long bone crush injuries that did not have a good outcome.
Who here can stockpile FFP? You and I know at a certain point it is game over.
Miffed
Hi M'am! You might be interested in this - and it's free!! http://kirby.unsw.edu.au/research-programs/surveillance-and-evaluation-program-public-health/infectious-diseases-modelling
I'm in regular contact with former colleagues at the UK PHLS MIll Hill Laboratories, and I can assure you they are "concerned, to very concerned". The EU has a very efficient mechanism for shipping blood products around, and over there it is (relatively) easy to get hold of large numbers of transfusion units of FFP, Packed cells, etc.
HOWEVER, their models suggest that as few as ONE to TWO Thousand "excess" cases would exhaust the entire EU "immediate use" supply. They do have the capability to mobilise a very large donor pool, but even that resource is finite.
Down Under we'd be in a much worse position. Seeing as we're approaching the start of our "peak Tourism Season", there's reason for concern, since our visitors may well be bringing "excess undeclared baggage" if you get my drift!
The problem isn't one of complacency, more a case of people (as in the general Public) just don't know. Over on the Dengue thread just ONE commentator mentions how bad Dengue is (nothing like personal exposure). Lots of complacent mis-information on mortality, and no idea how much time and resources a single Dengue patient can consume (shall we say their opioid analgesic consumption is considerable - it isn't called Break Bone Fever for nothing!)
I'm waiting for the first reported cases in South America. Some of the largest population densities on the Planet, and the biggest gulf between "haves" and the "great unwashed". Mind you with the problems Japan faces, the unannounced arrival of Ebola in the Tokyo-Yokohama super-conurbation (population - 37.6 million) would be interesting!
Places to temporarily cross off the "holiday" list might include the following - http://www.newgeography.com/content/004280-largest-world-cities-2014
That's a crazy disease that DIC. There was a 22 year old girl in the bed next to my cousin with that DIC thing and I remember hearing the doctors try to figure out whether to give her anti-clotting meds or clotting meds. It was extremely sad watching such a young girl almost in coma so young from such a mysterious disease. They later moved he rinto the ICU.
The good news is that whatever they did she did recoved about 90% but had some little strokes they said.
Thank goodness for great doctors imo! I know some won't agree, but there is no doubt we are #1 in doctor brains.
Yes. Typically, we used heparin or xigris to try to disrupt the clotting cycle. The other debris- the CRRT filter catches it.
USED to use Drotecogrin (Xigris) - until that Trial indicated it killed more than it cured (same as Centoxin I seem to recall!).
The problem of thinking we "know it all" when the reality is somewhat different.
Dear Parrotile,
Thanks again for such wonderful information. You can't know how much I appreciate this. My eldest lived in Shanghai for a year and her stories sent shivers through me realizing how a highly lethal agent could burn through such a population living the way they do. My brother has had extensive travel in India and Sri Lanka mirroring the same.
I, due to professional and personal reasons, may have to make a quick exit from ZH. Would you be at all interested keeping this association we have? I realize you have dramatically more knowledge and experience than I so my contributions would have little value to you vs yours to me. I am very fortunate I have a few healthcare professionals on line that have shared info with me in London, Canada and USA and I would certainly value yours as well. I assume you have my email if you are agreeable.
Thanks so much for your posts
Miffed
India's bad. Another place where the gulf between "Have" and "Have not" is almost undescribable.
Living in the very comfortable West gives us a very distorted view on what could, and would happen. You and I have easy unfettered access to probably the best of the best in terms of healthcare, and the oh-so-critical supporting infrastructure. There, they don't. They have almost nothing, and public education's equally non-existent.
The problem is that we have NEVER faced a significant public-domain infection with a true Cat 4 organism in living memory. This is also one that has the easy ability (poor genetic stability) to adapt to the new host (us), and maybe develop added means of vector colonisation. I'm the ONLY person in our Hospital who has EVER worked in a CL4 facility, and to put it bluntly, even in Clinical Microbiology, the amount of supposition / disinformation is discouraging, simply 'cause people do not have the experience, and so do not have the knowledge gained from that experience.
Just 20% excess deaths WILL change the face of the West. What if the "worst case" predictions of 70% are more correct?? What downstream consequences will we expect? In today's "everyone's a super-specialist" world, loss of a significant chunk of human "know-how" will mean a very big (and very unwelcome) adjustment for the survivors' lifestyles.
By memory only - you're miffed@gmail.com. Be aware though that if things go South in the way the models predict, the Net may cease to function. Marine VHF is only good for 25nm, so it'll be an idea to invest in 8 metre equipment, or marinised HF / MF hardware, whilst you can, and hope the ionosphere holds up. "Doom'n'Gloom", or planning ahead?? - I think you understand what is coming down the road!
Zhmiffed@gmail.com. Being married to a system architect does have advantages. We are looking for alternatives.
I have attended 2 webinars from the CDC. This has left me in a bit of a panic. The questions we posed and answers were most revealing. In fact the tone of calm responses made me realize this was a campaign of suppression. Even my most trusting colleagues were shaken.
We are in a scramble now in our preps. We plan to bug in at this point realizing our WA farm may not see to our needs long term. We are going heavily into debt now to shore up an uncertain future realizing we may now be too late to bring all to fruition. We have enough stores to last 6 months comfortably. 9 months with a bit of a stretch. We have 50 solar panels and our working on 100% off grid capability. We have a 10k cistern, shotguns, handguns, and almost 9000 rounds and well established trees and garden. Our neighbors are all military trained and our close friends. I have invested thousands in healing herbs and tincture preparation and first aid materials. Our only Achilles heal is this drought. This may be our unseen downfall.
I really feel many here do not understand the potential disaster that is on the horizon. This is no one fault, just no experience to compare. I survived the worst wildfire in Cali history and saw the destruction of infrastructure and resultant looting. These were opportunistic, not starvation nor desperation. My daughter spray painted a sign on our house. " Looters will be shot. Have a nice day" when everyone was gettin hit. I realize what's coming may be a new level I had never experienced.
I am honored for your friendship and your advice. Keep in touch and best of luck to you.
Miffed
Hi M'am! Noted the correct e.mail address, and we'll be in contact. Your strategy is "Shelter in place", ours still is "Sail off and have a sort-of-holiday".
OK - on a "prepare to be shocked" note - we've sold our floating home, and are renting ashore. Crazy strategy? Not really, since we own a small (but very remote, as in Aussie Outback remote) property as an "investment" - just so we can blend in with all the other sheeple who proudly own "IPs". Ours is a little diffferent as you'd expect. Comfortable enough, 5kW solar PV + 2 x 1000W Wind Turbines, borehole (for very reliable water) and enough undercover secure storage to last us a year unsupported. "The Federation-style timber home at the end of a 40km dirt track". No post, 3-chamber septic tank system, no telephone, no Internet but an HF radio link to civilisation if we need it.
Waiting for a larger floating home, which will happen in the next 6 months (deceased estate). European VERY thick GRP hull, 56' twin mast, pretty new sails (Hood), and fitted for endurance cruising not racing. Long-keel construction, abundant high-efficiency monocrystalline solar pv. (2kW fixed, as 10 x 200w panels, extra 1.5W as flexible panels), 800w Kestrel turbine ( http://www.emarineinc.com/products/Kestrel-e230i-800W-Wind-Turbine.html ) with a 200Ah NiFe battery bank. Costly but almost immortal.
Will be in touch as things develop. I'll be keeping an eye open for SitRep updates via ZH and such more reliable sources.
All the best to you both, and remember you have the big advantage of understanding our mutual foe better than the majority. Knowledge that can provide the added safety factor (along with polythene sheeting, Gaffer tape and ex-Hospital OT HEPA filters . . .)
This might shed some light:
"...PCR test can’t be used to say how much virus is in a person’s body.
Therefore, the CDC’s gold standard for testing Ebola patients says nothing about whether they are sick or will become sick. It says nothing about why some patients do become sick.
And the other problems with the test are significant as well: errors in carrying out the highly sensitive procedure; lab contamination of the sample taken from the patient; choice of a sample that is not a virus at all, or is the wrong virus."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ebola-test-let-the-tests-inventor-speak...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/genetic-strains-of-ebola-that-have-never-be...
Might not be able to say how much (for various reasons, not least of which is that it is an amplification, not a measuring, approach) but it can say whether it is there or not. You are right that procedural errors will affect the results, but that is true of practically any test.
PCR may be the ideal, "Gold Standard" but it's slow, costly, and needs operators who are careful and skilled.
"Out there on the front line" the ELISA test methodology has the advantage of speed, ease of use, and reasonable reliability, BUT (and this is a BIG BUT) - far, far less sensitivity. We've already seeen cases of ELISA negative carriers developing Ebola and dying. Testing too early may give a very dangerous false sense of security.
It's a little early to be definitive about that. IF it turns out to be the situation, it would be a good sign that the alarm level could be lowered, but I'll feel more relaxed if I see them on TV or the web at the start of November, telling everybody how great they feel.
In case anyone had doubts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpESL3klFUY
but but how does ebola affect the algos?
Culling, culling, culling, keep those homies culling,
Culling, culling, culling, keep those homies culling,
Culling, culling, culling, genocide!
If a body meet a body, bleedin' through their eyes...
"Even a man that's pure of heart and says his prayers at night..."
That's some scary shit... So basically in 2-3 weeks you become Human Braunschweiger.
Ketchup and onions on mine please
Yum Yum.
So what is he, chopped liver?
Some folks got Ebola.
there's only 2 sure things in life.... Ebola and Taxes...
Nature's Buckwheats.
- There's no outbreak here...
- Perhaps you should let the scientists and CIA operatives pretending to be scientists be the judges of that.
(Clerks Animated series, Episode 3).
We barb wire camped some folks.
Better batten down the hatches. Cytokine storm is brewing...
Ebola in Russia?
http://news.yahoo.com/gorbachev-hospitalised-determined-fight-life-23032...
It must be a slow day over at the Huff Post and CNBS. I see a lot of good comments getting dinged by trolls.
There IS a potential treatment, since we're all about using any and every untested, unapproved anything. Company called Cytosorbents makes a cytokine filter that
fits into a dialysis machine and filters out the cytokines that are what kills Ebola victims.
Won't help the African victims, who can't even get rubber gloves, but here it might.
You do know that dialysis kills patients all by itself, right?
So if the disease doesn't kill you, the cure might.
Oh, I see, just like cancer, we "beat" it by killing you with the cure.
Kinda like how a country of people that no longer qualify for unemployment are magically, statistically, "employed."
Wow, our delusions of greatness are growing by the second.
Awesome contribution. If you're ever confronted with that choice due to the failure of your kidneys, be sure and tell your nephrologist, "No thanks, I think I'd rather spend the next 2 to 3 weeks writhing in pain as my blood fills with urea, salts and metabolic waste products, and then die. Dialysis is a scam, just exactly like cancer treatment. There's absolutely no difference between the two."
You're planning to put at least two big-bore lines into your Patient who is already experiencing DIC (see above), AND is infected with a KNOWN Cat 4 organism . . . .
Hey, you're brave . . . . . .
Might be worth considering the capacity of this adsorbent system, availability (in bulk), along with the risks to the operators and Patient associated with device exchange too. What seems to work just fine in controlled lab / animal trials often works none too well in the real Clinical world, whre a LOT of things are happening concurrently (Xigris / Centoxin spring to mind here!).
Nigeria is said to have successfully quarantined their ebola patients. America should be able to do that also. The Nigerians were very aggressive in their trace contact and isolation procedures. Also, the Nigerians I think closed there borders to future ebola patients.
Nigerian government wants to stop Ebola in its track. The Obama administration wants open border, and strict border control goes against ever fiber of their being. So, better to let Ebola run rampant in this country than to go against that Sacred principal.
The real screamer in this ordeal is the emerging fact that 75% of fatalities are women.
Let that sink in for a moment in terms of population growth rates, etc.
Pretend in your haunted imaginations that 50-70% of all people die from this bug, but 3/4 of those are women.
Part of this is that women tend to be primary care givers, but another fun Ebola fact is that it has been found that the virus persists in semen for at least 90 days after recovery. So men are big vectors going forward. Lord knows the big pharma and government will want to screen and register everyone like it was the zombie apocalypse.
So think of a pandemic which yields, not just half all people dead, but maybe only one third of all women alive.
That is going to leave a mark.
Frank (Dune) Herbert wrote a book about this called The White Plague.
The hysterics of all things Ebola are not fun for anyone.
Let us all pray that nature will take a course to mutate into a less virulent strain and R drops to something less than 1.
Regrettably, I think some people WANT something like to to happen worldwide.
So this thing is doubling every 21 days? Tick Tock.
Good luck to everyone.
We'll have to see how it plays out in the Western world. Differences in dealing with bodies and other cultural differences may be enough to bring R0 under 1. I sure hope so.
that is a critical stat. is that 75% mortality rate the historical rate or the rate for this break out? culling females is the primary tactic for depopulating deer herds, fewer females means fewer babies. with all the tinfoil stories about targeted disease research i would not doubt a story claiming this strain of ebola is lab created.
I've heard that and also that testing is only valid after the victim has been showing symptoms for 3+ days so following that someone who was tested with two days of symptoms aka Dallas cop who was in Duncans apt could test negative but then actually have the ebolas....
The Liberian nurse tested negative,went symptomatic after 25 days, and died.
Our stats are based on malnourished Africans. Are they valid for the west,any of them ?
Including incubation times.
Wow...That's some interesting information Winston. Thanks for the info.
So the nurse was basically a walking Ebola {petri dish, dirty bomb} for almost a month. That's really comforting in the overall scheme of things.
Suggests the testing was ELISA based rather than PCR. Or at least, PCR failure because of a VERY low titre, or operator error.
Not exactly unheard of.
FYI....
"Specimens ideally should be taken when a symptomatic patient reports to a healthcare facility and is suspected of having an EVD exposure; however, if the onset of symptoms is < 3 days, a subsequent specimen will be required to completely rule out EVD..."
http://www.mlo-online.com/articles/201410/safe-handling-of-ebola-samples...
RELAX... There have been multiple outbreaks in Africa in the past that have been contained. The only way this thing get out of hand outside of Africa is if it is weaponized. Vigilance, yes; but being paranoid and fearful is never the right way.
This just in: Turns out Bin Laden is still alive and he has Ebola and is reportedly flying in on flight MH-17 to visit with Gene Rosen and Jeff Bauman.
An American, not US subject.
if'n you gots d'bola, rape d'virgin...it woik ev'y time...
The current clown in charge of USA Chaos Corp. has been repeatedly caught with his pants down. ISIS, ISIL, Fast & Furious, Reggie Love etc.
But don't worry Obamacare has got you covered
“An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.” ? Benjamin Franklin
Keep in mind by the Founding Father claiming he could cure something would have resulted in the FDA doing the following:
1. Threatening letters to cease and desist all claims of curing anything
2. Armed agents to attempt to coerce compliance
3. A SWAT team to either kill him or imprison him
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-06/doctor-who-discovered-ebola-197...
Visit Liberia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo
Ebola Zaire:
http://www.cydathria.com/ebola.html
"70% of those infected with Ebola die (in Africa)"
There fixed it for you.
Anyone who has been to West Africa knows the conditions they live in are not even remotely comparable to how we live in the US. Their immune systems are compromised from the day they are born, the parasitism rate for those in the bush/country is 100% ergo why their life expectancty rate for an adult male is around 40 years of age or less. Malnourhished, lacking essential vitamins and minerals, very unpotable water, sleeping on the ground, cooking with open fires on the ground, one would either have to have rock for brains or simply enjoy promoting the fear mongering.
There is no way the fatality rate for a healthy individual with access to ample water and supplements and even a few IV bags would be 70% in this country. Like all viral infectioins, a healthy immune sysem can take care of Ebola.
That you, Barack?
No, just a nobody who is getting tired of all the fear mongering. Yes Ebola is horrific but it doesn't mean a death sentence.
30% survive but unfortunately suffer life-long complications. Nope, no death sentence...
I've been to West Africa many times, healthiest people I've ever been around...perfectly adapted to their enviroment, almost no processed foods in their diet, mostly fresh fish, tropical fruits and veggies, can't wait to visit again.
Horse shit RS. IF that is the case then why are their life expectancies so low? Why roughly 1 of 5 newborn deaths?
No, it's not horse shit, Malaria is the problem which is particularly deadly to children under the age of 5, after the age of 5 they are pretty much immune to everything under the Sun, even repeated bouts of Malaria.
I not sure where you got the 1 death per 5 births, it's just not true...probably some NGO falsifying stats to get more funding...
edit: images and video of my last visit...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAaOYjHb9K0
Looks like a nice enough place.
Sickle cell anemia developed in malaria-prone areas in Africa. Turns out it actually provides protection against malaria.
Of course, it also kills you eventually. But it lets you live long enough to breed.
Interesting.
Good luck finding someone on this planet with a truly healthy immune system.
And, an agent that replicates too quickly will overwhelm even the healthiest immune system. It can go into overdrive, and end up killing you off or making you very ill even after it has dealt with the infection.
Only a 20% of even penetrating Obamalandia's shores.
I'm not worried about it at all.
"Other body fluids that may transmit ebola viruses include saliva, mucus, vomit, feces, sweat, tears, breast milk, urine, and semen."
Just don't sit in an airplane seat near where an infected person sat and you should be fine.
No worries! Just an election year "boogie man" Government divertion lie. It will all go away after the elections. Promise!
Apart from a 10 day latency period after exposure , the Black Death had a near identical profile to ebola .
See http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2005/08/black-death.html
There were actually three forms of the plague going around. The regular bubonic plague is not too bad, but the septicemic and pneumonic forms are a lot like a hemmorrhagic fever, they hit you hard and kill you fast.
"the virus can survive for days outside the body"
Actually... SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: Filoviruses have been reported capable to survive for weeks in blood and can also survive on contaminated surfaces, particularly at low temperatures (4°C)"
Damn science...
Ebolavirus - Pathogen Safety Data Sheet
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/lab-bio/res/psds-ftss/ebola-eng.php
"casual contact like a hndshake is considered low risk" - As long as no one breathes, coughs, or sneezes at you while you're shaking their hand.
The little red "CONTAGIOUS" arrow on the bottom should extend for 3 months, not 18 days.
Who's proof-reading that stuff? CDC?
Might be more relevant to notice that average time to hospitalisation is 5 days after initial symptom development. Those 5 days are days when the Patient is contagious,but "on the loose", and that's a big window of opportunity for onward transmission.
Just think back over your last 5 days. Just how many people have you been within, say 3 metres of? If you regularly use Public Transport for your commute (even a short commute), how many hundreds have you been within "infection distance" of?
If you're in a major Metropolitan area, those hundreds become thousands, and if the virion ID50 is 150 - 200 (as has been suggested), then the sheer probability of very high, very reliable transmission becomes extremely scary indeed, especially when you consider that there may be longer-distance (i.e. Interstate or further afield) travellers exposed within this single individual's "window of infection".
You forgot to mention this:
"Communicable as long as blood, body fluids or organs, contain the virus including after death. Ebolavirus has been isolated from semen 61 to 82 days after the onset of illness, and transmission through semen has occurred 7 weeks after clinical recovery"
Oops...got so excited I double posted....lmao
How long before we start seeing Sidebar ads of beautiful hot African women looking for love and companionship in the US on ZH? Seriously....I noticed the Ukranian Hot chick Ads really got ramped up after that little airplane Fiasco.
So it sounds like any generalized virus but it just keeps going, just a little faster than the immune system can ramp up effectively. So then it's actually the immune system that inflames the body and kills infected cells faster than the virus does. Death from rabies is similar, it's the runaway immune response that does most of the damage. Have to wonder if slowing the immune response wouldn't give some victims a better chance, want to let the immune system develop the right antibodies before it destroys the host with the wrong responses.
only a matter of time until the Obama haters arrive here