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Public Health Emergency Declared In Connecticut Over Ebola: Civil Rights Suspended Indefinitely

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We warned a week ago of the various possibilities surrounding an Ebola outbreak in America, and today we get some degree of confirmation of a medical-based martial-law coming to the US. Governor Dan Malloy has declared a Public Health Emergency in Connecticut, authorizing the "isolation of any individual reasonably believed to have been exposed to the Ebola virus." Simply put, as we noted previously, the State of Public Health Emergency allows bureaucrats to detain and force-vaccinate people without due process - despite not one single case being found in CT. If there is a major Ebola pandemic in America, all of the liberties and the freedoms that you currently enjoy would be gone.

 

The Public Health Emergency declaration...

 

"I hereby declare a public health emergency for the State, pursuant to the Connecticut General Statutes Section 19a-131a, for the duration of the epidemic. Specifically, in accordance with Connecticut General Statutes Section 19a-131b, I authorize the Commissioner of Public Health to Order the isolation or quarantine, under conditions prescribed by the Commissioner of Public Health, of any individual or group of individuals whom the Commissioner reasonably believes to have been exposed to, infected with, or otherwise at risk of passing the Ebola virus."

Which he defended as a precautionary and preparatory measure in the event that the state has either a confirmed infection or has confirmed that someone at risk of developing the infection is residing in the state.

We are taking this action today to ensure that we are prepared, in advance, to deal with any identified cases in which someone has been exposed to the virus or, worst case, infected,” said Governor Malloy.  “Our state’s hospitals have been preparing for it, and public health officials from the state are working around the clock to monitor the situation.  Right now, we have no reason to think that anyone in the state is infected or at risk of infection.  But it is essential to be prepared and we need to have the authorities in place that will allow us to move quickly to protect public health, if and when that becomes necessary.  Signing this order will allow us to do that.”

Translated... as we previously noted:

If there is a major Ebola pandemic in America, all of the liberties and the freedoms that you currently enjoy would be gone.  If government officials believe that you have the virus, federal law allows them to round you up and detain you "for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary."  In addition, the CDC already has the authority to quarantine healthy Americans if they reasonably believe that they may become sick.  During an outbreak, the government can force you to remain isolated in your own home, or the government may forcibly take you to a treatment facility, a tent city, a sports stadium, an old military base or a camp.  You would not have any choice in the matter.  And you would be forced to endure any medical procedure mandated by the government.  That includes shots, vaccines and the drawing of blood.  During such a scenario, you can scream about your "rights" all that you want, but it won't do any good.

In case you are tempted to think that I am making this up, I want you to read what federal law actually says.  The following is 42 U.S.C. 264(d).  I have added bold for emphasis...

(1) Regulations prescribed under this section may provide for the apprehension and examination of any individual reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease in a qualifying stage and (A) to be moving or about to move from a State to another State; or (B) to be a probable source of infection to individuals who, while infected with such disease in a qualifying stage, will be moving from a State to another State. Such regulations may provide that if upon examination any such individual is found to be infected, he may be detained for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary. For purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes, in addition to the several States, only the District of Columbia.

 

(2) For purposes of this subsection, the term “qualifying stage”, with respect to a communicable disease, means that such disease—

 

(A) is in a communicable stage; or

 

(B) is in a precommunicable stage, if the disease would be likely to cause a public health emergency if transmitted to other individuals.

In addition, as I discussed above, the CDC already has the authority to isolate people that are not sick to see if they do become sick.  The following is what the CDC website says about this...

Quarantine is used to separate and restrict the movement of well persons who may have been exposed to a communicable disease to see if they become ill. These people may have been exposed to a disease and do not know it, or they may have the disease but do not show symptoms. Quarantine can also help limit the spread of communicable disease.

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And as Police State USA summarizes,

Governor Dannel Malloy has declared Connecticut to be in a state of public health emergency, enabling the indefinite suspension of certain civil rights. State bureaucrats have been granted the broad authority to forcibly detain suspected sick people without due process. The declaration came preemptively, as Connecticut has not yet seen a single case of the virus it purports to stop.

 

Rationalizing his actions, the governor said in a statement: “We need to have the authorities in place that will allow us to move quickly to protect public health, if and when that becomes necessary. Signing this order will allow us to do that.”

 

The recipient of most of the newly-imparted power is Jewel Mullen, Connecticut’s Commissioner of the Department of Public Health (DPH). By having this measure in place, Commissioner Mullen explained, “we don’t have to scramble in the event I need to take action.”

 

The actions that authorities might want to “scramble” to use is the forcible quarantine of citizens — without charges or trial.

 

Connecticut General Statutes Section 19a-131a spells out the powers that may be used during the state of public health emergency:

 

“[While] the emergency exists [the state] may do any of the following: (1) Order the commissioner to implement all or a portion of the public health emergency response plan developed pursuant to section 19a-131g; (2) authorize the commissioner to isolate or quarantine persons in accordance with section 19a-131b; (3) order the commissioner to vaccinate persons in accordance with section 19a-131e; or (4) apply for and receive federal assistance.”

 

As noted above, the Commissioner may issue an order of mass vaccination at his or her own discretion.

 

Section 19a-131d states that any individual who refuses to comply with any portion of the order may be punished with with fines and imprisonment for up to one (1) year.

 

Fending off a police state requires constant vigilance against efforts to desecrate civil liberties. As the current scenario has shown us, a climate of fear — fear of disease, terrorism, foreign threats, etc. — makes it all-too easy to suspend constitutional rights with minimal public resistance. Many people actually feel grateful to see the government absorbing greater powers; taken with the promises of keeping them safe.

 

The state of public health emergency will remain in effect indefinitely until lifted by the governor.

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Welcome to the new normal American police state.

 

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Fri, 10/10/2014 - 14:55 | 5315302 X.inf.capt
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ITS ON!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 14:56 | 5315304 hedgeless_horseman
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I feel safer.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 14:56 | 5315310 McMolotov
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The weird are turning pro, and the WTFs will now go exponential.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 14:57 | 5315314 TheAnalOG
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Where is Gene Rosen?

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:04 | 5315341 hedgeless_horseman
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“We need to have the authorities in place that will allow us to
move quickly
to protect public health, if and when that becomes
necessary. Signing this order will allow us to do that.”

So quickly that you will be dead before you can pull the trigger to defend yourself and your home.

A Georgia SWAT team, acting on a tip from a drug addict, killed a
59-year-old grandfather and businessman in his home while executing a
warrant. The informant had stolen a car from the property a few days
before.

  

“Despite the fact that the illegal search warrant did not
have a ‘no knock’ clause, the Drug Task Force and SRT members
broke down the back door of the family's home and entered firing
in excess of 16 shots. These shots were from multiple firearms
and from both 40 caliber handguns and assault rifles,”
the
statement continued. “Several shots were fired through a
blind wall at David with the shooters not knowing who or what was
on the other side of the wall. The trajectory of the shots,
coupled with the number of shots infers a clear intent on behalf
of the shooters to kill David Hooks."

 

Hooks never fired his weapon, according to the family attorney.

 

http://rt.com/usa/194328-georgia-swat-kills-hooks/

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:09 | 5315370 LawsofPhysics
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Interesting, this is happening a lot more.  Another reason to not be on anyone's radar.

How many cases does Connecticut have?  One must be dealing with it before one can "declare and emergency".  I wonder if there is something they are not telling us?

By the way, those plastic suits don't that bullet proof to me.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:11 | 5315410 Buckaroo Banzai
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Malloy is a dirty cunt. Thanks to widespread voting fraud in Bridgeport and New Haven, he got elected in 2010, and will probably get re-elected the same way. He earned his bones at Sandy Hook and, with this latest development, is clearly the pointy end of the stick for all the dirty tricks the Obama regime will perpetrate on the american public going forward.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:13 | 5315423 InjectTheVenom
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"The Honorable" ...  LOL.  Go suck a big bag of veiny hairy ebola-infested dicks.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:16 | 5315437 Headbanger
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Yeah no shit it's fucking CT

Cause that's where all the fucking 1% Wall Street fuckers live

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:29 | 5315511 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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Just remember to give the cop or bureaucrat a big 'ole bear hug before you tell them you're infected. Problem solved.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:36 | 5315558 Ying-Yang
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Ghostbusters

Declaring an emergency before it is an emergency... hmmmm?

Yeah, Morgan Fairchild, yeah that's the ticket!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:40 | 5315596 BaBaBouy
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According To NBC... 150 Are Flying In From WEST AFRICA PER DAY !!!

Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ...

... You Have To Be An IDIOT Not To See Where This Is Going...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:43 | 5315604 InjectTheVenom
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...not to mention how many are coming across the southern border

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:47 | 5315635 BaBaBouy
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Might As Well HAND-IN Your GUNZ Now Bitchez :-) ...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:52 | 5315659 hedgeless_horseman
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the CDC already has the authority to quarantine healthy Americans if
they reasonably believe that they may become sick.  During an outbreak,
the government can force you to remain isolated in your own home, or the
government may forcibly take you to a treatment facility, a tent city, a
sports stadium, an old military base or a camp.  You would not have any
choice in the matter.

Cop:  How are you feeling today?

hedgelss_horseman:  I feel fantastic!  Never felt better, sir!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:54 | 5315679 Pinto Currency
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Are there any hedge funds who have invested in the Governor of Connecticut?

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:06 | 5315776 Latina Lover
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I wonder how much Merck paid the Governor to pass this decree

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:27 | 5315946 wee-weed up
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Obozo can't wait to declare martial law.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:10 | 5316112 TruthInSunshine
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Every state will be doing this. Watch.

I don't get the PANIC meme on ZH, but then again, I'm not a credible virologist nor epidemiologist (I'm not even a non-credible one of either).

Every time a huge, panic scare like this has happened in my lifetime, it's always a sign of "beware what the other hand is doing."

Paint me hugely skeptical.

 

CDC's New Hazmat Suits

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:47 | 5316304 Pinto Currency
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This clamp-down is more a sign of a serious market move and an effort to maintain manicured front lawns.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:16 | 5316415 g'kar
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Connecticut also had a high degree of non-compliance with the gun confiscation law. Just a coincidence.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:37 | 5316504 12ToothAssassin
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Oh Dannel boy, the pipettes, the pipettes are calling
From state to state, and down the mountain side
The summer's gone, and all the people falling
It's you, it's you must go and I must die.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 19:45 | 5316782 espirit
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Rich bitchez are gonna die also.

 

Get fuckin' real.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 20:26 | 5316928 Never One Roach
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"Oh, that bleeding ... mmm ... ahhhh ... that's just my hemorrhoids, officer."

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 23:07 | 5317411 WTFRLY
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4000 Ebola deaths, US troops in Liberia, Sierra Leone burial teams, NYC plane cleaners strike http://wtfrly.com/2014/10/10/4000-ebola-deaths-us-troops-liberia-sierra-...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 23:53 | 5317537 FEDbuster
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Number of cases doubling every two to three weeks, can you say EXPONENTIAL??

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-ominous-math-o...

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:55 | 5317661 The9thDoctor
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Replace the word Ebola with "SWINE FLU" and you get the same fear mongering from five years ago

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/schwarzenneger-declares-state-emergency...

 

It's a template

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 01:14 | 5317685 surfsup
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Its also adventageous for pharma companies that YOU DONT KNOW how intensely the sub conscious can replicate an image given to it.  An age old example of this is stigmata....  Informed researchers in this field have recognzied 80% of infirmaties grow in the Sub Conscious through an IDEA and therefor ideas are by far more powerful than germs.  One has to assume last year was a year of fewer flu shots than normal as info is getting out about that racket -- so the hype department really needed something big and seemingly organic to really kick off the "season" as don't forget how well THEY REMIND YOU its flu season!  Guess what your sub conscious tends to do if you strap an "emotion" onto that idea?  Yup -- it tends to carry it out unless of course you are informed in these things can get a contrary idea in there to phase cancel the negative....  So you can bet the fall off of flu shots will pull back from the drop they had last year...  Its funny how they tweak the propaganda as they go as well saying only 18% of ebola victims show outward signs of bleeding.... LOL   Yeah well, since there have been ZERO pictures of allegedgly THOUSDANDS of cases of this with any external bleeding that leak had to be capped in short order with recent releases of this 18% figure as if to make an excuse for why there are no pictures of bloody victims when previously in any serach of "Ebola Victim" you'd see external blood as a tell tale sign of it.  Not here -- at least not yet so its a theory this real.  The sheer power of the sub conscious mind can be harnessed with absolutely NO actual dis ease needed to kick off all sorts of ailments -- and yes as previously stated:  Placebo works BOTH ways.   Remember that 80% figure -- its far more likely you will impress the sub conscious with an ailment than it is that you will "catch" something... We don't catch anythiing we "create it" or in the case of the demonic propagandick fire hose: we are induced to create it.   

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 01:16 | 5317692 surfsup
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This has me really pissed at fear porn talk show hosts who are ingnorantly FUELING this thing.  STOP IT

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 21:45 | 5319503 DirtyWilly
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The sign should read "Wecome to Connecticut the Nanny State" instead of Constitution State.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:56 | 5316079 PTR
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Again:

"So fantastic, I wanna give you a hug!"

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:02 | 5317276 Mr. Ed
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Okay, so whadda we have here?

Step 1.  Obama refuses to immediately block flights from Africa and continues to do so, turning his back on his oath of office and on the American people.  (is there any reason we need 150 visitors a day from that part of the world?)

Step 2.  Enabled by Obama's failure to take action, Connecticut breaks the ice for other states to lay the foundation for nationwide martial law.

Step 3.  FEMA centers are set up to detain and "watch" anyone who is "reasonably believed to have been exposed to the Ebola virus" and to confine them with others who MAY (wink, wink) ACTUALLY HAVE THE VIRUS for the purpose of "observation"

Step 4.  Obama, who has already shown his true colors when it comes to tolerating dissent and who is comfortable labeling practically anyone who expresses dissent as a terrorist, now has a deadlly tool at his disposal.

Step 5.  If the current administration doesn't like you're criticisms, you may find yourself "confined" without a trial at a location where the risk of actually getting the infection is high.  When you're gone, people will say that you were Obama'd,

 

The perfect crime committed by the perfect criminal.

 

PS: ya gotta read this new ZH Post if you haven't already ...bigger picture viewpoint!

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:08 | 5317563 benb
Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:13 | 5317567 Mr. Ed
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LOL!!  That was my dad... brings back memories and a little tear to my eye  :-)

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:53 | 5317656 benb
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We're going to need some humor with what's going down.

Right before the most important mid-term election memory. Where the communists were about to get laquered. Imagine that.

You gotta break some eggs to make an omlette. [The North American Union]

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 21:13 | 5317070 lincolnsteffens
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I'll be quite content to pull up the draw bridge and stay in the castle until this too shall end. Lots of talk about maybe most of this is not Ebola and if it is, it does not get along with cold and dry weather.

Another odd thing is that someone mentioned is that most outbreaks of Ebola before this one were in The Congo.

Just saying, maybe all isn't as it seems. Of course it rarely is.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 22:43 | 5317329 Calmyourself
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Ahh lincoln do some research about ebolas actual liking for cold...

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 13:02 | 5318336 weburke
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"this too shall end" ? no, the plan is death to billions.  Who opposes at this point? What do all the media cooperaters think? 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 23:06 | 5317399 PT
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Something tells me that those people and property that needs to be "quarantined" will correlate with those with low levels of debt but it's probably just a co-incidence.

Be a good little hamster and spin that wheel.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:42 | 5316289 Pickleton
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Might As Well HAND-IN Your GUNZ Now Bitchez :-) ...

 

I prefer the 'cold dead hands' delivery system.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 20:15 | 5316888 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Pickle Ton,

Honestly I don't know why you pea brain Americans "THINK" owning guns is going to save you. It's laughable. Ha!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 22:27 | 5317273 mjcOH1
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Well,

- Washington didn't persuade the British.   He shot them.
- 5.5 million dead Nazis proved the merits of .30-06.
- Remember when Indira Gandhi shelled the Golden Temple?   Or when her bodyguard emptied a 30 round Sten clip into her, and put an end to that bullshit?

Guns - they work.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 22:57 | 5317376 Transformer
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Pickleton,

  If there weren't guns and lots of 'em in American hands, we would have already had martial law.  The NWO did everything they could to get them away from us and failed.  The Elites are in big trouble, as their plans are not working out

  The Ebola thing, and the war drums, these are backup plans.  Putin thwarts them at every turn, and now it's open borders and flights from Africa, til we get Ebola, or at least get enough of it to make everyone get vaccinated.  That vaccine should be a good one, it will save us all!! (snark snark)

  They have to conquer America before the dollar dies, cause once it dies, the military machine is dead. 

  The Elites are desparate.

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 09:38 | 5318049 Government need...
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This guy must make his living 'RESCUING' people from their homes.  The gun is only a means to an end.  No drone is going to 'RESCUE' you from your home.  Only boots on the ground can do that.  A home that has been hardened against unlawful entry including common sense measures like planned placements of plate and Kevlar, preset fields of fire, and other 'non-kinetic surprises' raises the cost of overrunning your home.  When an unlawful entrant perceives a real/significant risk of death or dismemberment, he must ask himself the question of 'Is this worth the price I'm going to pay'.  Suddenly, the game of tyrant becomes more complicated that collect a paycheck and kick ass.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:53 | 5315636 BaBaBouy
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...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:09 | 5315824 El Oregonian
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Here is the reason for this BS in CT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xuGBz8ZhUs

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:16 | 5316413 Not Too Important
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Can you give us the short form?

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:51 | 5315665 bob_stl
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"Simply put..., The State of Public Health Emergency allows bureaucrats to detain and force-vaccinate people without due process - despite not one single case being found in CT."

I don't see anything about forced vaccinations in that document.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:14 | 5316411 Trucker Glock
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According to our esteemed Supreme Court, Sates can force quarantine.  In fact, quarantine is so important, courts have said a State's power to quarantine trumps Fed Gov's Commerce Clause.  According to the ruling, States can't force vaccination, but can punish a person with fines and/or  jail for refusing vaccination.

Jacobson v. Massachusetts sealed the deal more than 100 years ago.

Brief history of quarantine law in U.S.

http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/bioterrorism/6Quarantine/PHLa...

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:32 | 5317604 Never One Roach
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Why not simply stop the Farks from flying in from the infected areas?

Once there here, all the quarantines will do little to help. Once they hug, kiss, sneeze, cough, and vomit blood in the driveway [or at the mall, football game, supermarket, etc] it's too late.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:39 | 5316517 Cynicles
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Just a coincidence the US Gov holds a patent (2007) on Ebola.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:42 | 5315599 InjectTheVenom
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you heard it here first ... the November midterms will be temporarily postponed  because of obola ...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:21 | 5316429 Not Too Important
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Liberia's done it:

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-hit-liberia-cancels-nationwide-election-1355...

Open the floodgates! Unleash the Dogs of Martial Law!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 19:05 | 5316619 TeamDepends
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No, we said that on ZH a few days ago and certainly weren't the first. Like the guy said above, anyone who can't see where this is headed needs to wake up and fast. Not sure what to say anymore. We have been preparing for this, mentally at least, for six plus years. And now that it is here.....

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:06 | 5317395 Mr. Ed
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good point about the elections... but I wonder if the possible differential in turn-out due to the ebola scare would be the idea.

You know - the adminstration might explioit the higher turn-out of of politically correct idiots who believe the CDC director's assurances - and that would improve Dem chances.  ??

 

PS: see this new ZH Post on same general subject - great read!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:43 | 5315602 outamyeffinway
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How did everyone feel about the story about the guy diagnosed with Ebola breaking OUT of the hospital??? Is this really a big deal??

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:38 | 5316510 Not Too Important
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It's no problem, according to Dear Leader, as long as you don't touch him.

I love our Dear Leader.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:34 | 5315544 IridiumRebel
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Hi! Recently left Fairfield County CT so I have some perspective. It is a socialist dream there. 3/4ths of the state are poor fuckers living the welfare dream and the other 1/4th pay for it. They have taxes on your car every year. If you own about 20K in vehicle you pay about $1000 to own it. Bridgeport is a fucking mess as is basically everything outside of Westport, Stamford, Ridgefield, New Canaan, Greenwich and Fairfield city. It is atronomical to live there and fucking Malloy thinks he is the Dictator of the state, especially after getting an authoritarian hard-on from Sandy Hook. it sucks. The infrastructure is crumbling as seen through the MTA Metro north rail clusterfucks. 250,000 people have left since 2010 I believe and everyday I see friends who live there moving. Two just left for NC. I hope that fucking state goes down so hard in default that it gets broken up to its socialist neighbors who will suffer the same fate. FUCK YOU CONNECTICUT. FUCK YOU MALLOY. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:37 | 5315572 Ying-Yang
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"after getting an authoritarian hard-on from Sandy Hook."

So.... is Sandy for hire?

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:48 | 5315640 90's Child
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Flu symptoms include:
A 100oF or higher fever or feeling feverish (not everyone with the flu has a fever)
A cough and/or sore throat.
A runny or stuffy nose.
Headaches and/or body aches.
Chills.
Fatigue.
Nausea, vomiting, and/or diarrhea (most common in children)

Signs and symptoms typically begin abruptly within five to 10 days of infection with Ebola or Marburg virus. Early signs and symptoms include:

Fever
Severe headache
Joint and muscle aches
Chills
Weakness

We all fucked with out due process.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:32 | 5316480 SolosGirl
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This is probably the most reasonable response I've seen on this thread. The problem I have with that document is the phrase "reasonably suspect".  They're telling you--this is a perception thing. If you have flu symptoms or even if you don't, it's up to the person taking a look at you whether or not they feel "reasonably sure" that you might have been infected. 

And I, as a healthcare professional, can honestly tell you right now, I cannot do that on a cursory exam. I would have to....um.....detain you for further testing.

You show up with the flu at the ER? Prepare to be detained. You know. Just for further testing.

My advice from the other day stands---take care of your damn self--do NOT go to the hospital unless you're f**king sure that you've got the virus.  In fact, stay the hell away from the hospital unless you're bleeding out or something--unless, of course, you want to come into contact with, you know, sick people.

Watch "Contagion" with Matt Damon. As a professional, I felt that was probably the most realistic scenario of how an outbreak would play.

**and for that person who keeps hyping "aerosolized" IS "airborne"---knock it off, asshole. what you're pretty much saying is that when I spray a can of lysol in my upstairs bedroom, I can disinfect my basement without going down there.  It's stupid. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:39 | 5316521 Not Too Important
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And if you think you might survive, watch 'The Road'.

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 20:27 | 5316927 pods
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Well the boy lived?

As to the hype about this. Sure if you get this it is terrible. Flip a coin on whether you live.

But, this is nowhere as contagious as the flu, and I sure as hell don't lock myself inside for 6 months due to the flu.

pods

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 21:09 | 5317057 conscious being
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Pods, "But, this is nowhere as contagious as the flu,"

How do you know this? I saw a report from the Ft. Detrick, Md, biowarfare reasearch lab saying it should behave in cooler climates like Influenza A. Yesterday, Miffed Microbiologist put up a link from Canada PH, describing how well the virus can survive outside the host at 4C and 30-40% humidity.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:37 | 5316502 Max Cynical
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What are the odds healthcare professionals are mandated to report patients exihibiting these symptoms?

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:40 | 5316522 Not Too Important
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That's next.

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 09:56 | 5318073 Government need...
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I guess my take is that the unknown virulence means that anyone approaching my home while on my property is endangering my life.  Adding 'No tresspassing' signs to my to-buy list.

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 11:35 | 5318213 SolosGirl
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<sigh>   We already do. Just like we report pretty much EVERY illness/injury that is admitted to the hospital. They're called statistics. It's also called "infection control".

Are you seriously having a problem with reporting possible infectious diseases to those who can do something about it?  Really?  So you're okay with taking your kid in for a broken wrist from a soccer injury and the guy in the next cubicle is hacking away with TB or the girl in the next curtain has mono or viral meningitis, eh?

You can't have this both ways, folks. You can't scream for government and healthcare to take care of this, interfere in intrusive ways, control people's movements, etc---and then scream about reporting the outcomes of those interventions, or being quarantined yourself, your liberties taken away for the greater good.

This is an object lesson in self reliance. You ask for help when you actually need it. If you can't figure it out, find someone who can help you without going "official". This is where IRL community relationships are important--find people you trust and build on that---do not rely on "official" anything. Ever. It's why I do what I do---so that at the end of the day, I will always be able to take care of my own health and that of those who are important to me.

I can have silver stacked to the f**king ceiling and a whole houseful of "prepper" stuff---but if I am ill or injured and I don't know what to do?  How useful is all that other shit to me? 

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 01:28 | 5317706 Freddie
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Headaches and/or body aches.
Chills.
Fatigue.
Nausea, vomiting, and/or diarrhea (most common in children)

I get this when Obama speaks.  That is why I got rid of TV over a decade ago. F TV.  

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:49 | 5315655 Excursionist
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Fact:  Desperate, scared people will do anything to try to save themselves, even at the risk of spreading the Ebola virus and potentially killing thousands in the process.

Conclusion:  This is one instance of my Libertarian side telling me, "Let the government forcibly quarantine infected people."

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:51 | 5315669 IridiumRebel
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my wife worked in Sierra Leone as a nurse in 2008. When we began to discuss this in August she stated that they would seek treatment in the West. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:12 | 5315849 MarsInScorpio
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That's exactly what Duncan was doing.

-30-

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:21 | 5315916 pods
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He just needed some R&R after that long wheelbarrow ride where he took the preganant girl to the clinic which was full of dying people that they couldn't accept her.

Perfectly normal.  

Awful shit going on there. Could not even imagine.  Of course African life is kind of like that.

Guy was a selfish bastard if you ask me.

pods

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 21:15 | 5317073 conscious being
Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:37 | 5315993 e_goldstein
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I agree, cordon sanitaire is probably the only job the State should have. 

Realistically, they'll just fuck that up too.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:25 | 5316217 El Vaquero
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Realistically, they'll just fuck that up too.

Even if you agree that it is a legitimate function of the state, you will have a hard time arguing against the idea that it is only so with the caveat that they do so effectively and with the sole intent of stopping a pandemic.  If ebola turns into a true pandemic, just assume that you'll be on your own and stay the fuck away people if you don't KNOW they haven't been exposed.  People talk about the clamp down as a result, but it's going to be fun to get officer butt-plug to go into an ebola ridden house to quarantine people after he's seen a few die from bleeding out of their assholes and one of his coworkers comes down with it.

 

What's even worse about this is that the virus could be one that burns itself out after infecting a lot less than something like the black death, and that could still have catastrophic consequences in our complex, globalized JIT economy.  We just need enough cases where people stop going into work out of fear.  How many would need get infected so that people stop showing up to work for food to quit going to supermarkets?  How many would need to get infected until power plant workers just stay home? 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:43 | 5316532 Not Too Important
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"We just need enough cases where people stop going into work out of fear."

Keep an eye on football crowds. We've got games through January, plenty of time to follow the trajectory of panic.

Think of the supply chain following the football crowds. Thinner and thinner . . .

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 23:53 | 5317538 847328_3527
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CT also has one of the highest number of Mesican gang members. My niece worked in an ER up there and said at least one GSW (gun shot wound) a night from gang rivalry.   I had no idea.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:01 | 5316108 SumTing Wong
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Excursionist...

FACT: You're not really a Libertarian. You might not even have a Libertarian side. 

Conclusion: You should move to Connecticut so you can be "safe". I'll stay out here in the middle of nowhere, where they would have a hard time finding me if they wanted to try to jab me with anything.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:24 | 5316221 Excursionist
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We'll have to agree to disagree.

I pay federal, state, county and municipal taxes through my nose, and this is an instance where I believe my taxes could be well spent.

You can live in some shit hole in the middle of nowhere, but I choose to live in a more densely populated area.

And I don't want to be the one to have to deal with some petrified fucker knocking on my door, coughing in my face, asking for help with his infection.  Or deal with some selfish fucker trying to survive at all costs.  And, candidly, I don't give a rat's ass whether the infected person was acting like Mother Teresa to get infected.  That was their decision, their risk and they should live with the consequence.  Leave me the fuck out of it.

I'd like those fuckers to be locked up by whatever federal, state, county or municipal authority is willing to step up and do what is necessary.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:46 | 5316542 Not Too Important
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"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

   - Martin Niemöller

 

Seems oddly appropriate.

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 20:32 | 5316940 pods
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It would really suck if his bleeding ass was knocking on his neighbor's door and they handed him his ZH post.

pods

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:56 | 5316586 Crawdaddy
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..I pay federal, state, county and municipal taxes through my nose, and this is an instance where I believe my taxes could be well spent.

As always, .guv started this problem, exacerbated it and now seek to capitilize and grow their control grid as a result. The best way to make it worse is to fall for the trap and support .guv to clamp down in the name of protection. See it for what it is and don't fall into the trap of thinking they are there to help you. The extortion that taxes represent are a sunk cost.

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 10:05 | 5318090 Government need...
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High taxes, tyranny, terrorism plus crumbling overcrowded infrastructure?  Sign me up, buttercup.  I hope your stay at the FEMA camp is a delightful multicultural experience.  I hear the friendliest people belong to MS-13. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:25 | 5316229 Government need...
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I dont trust this government any more than I would a Nazi official telling me that Jews are thriving at a camp called Auchwitz.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:41 | 5316524 pupdog1
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All aboaaaard... Watch your step sir!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:33 | 5316483 Meatballs
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Been gone a year November 1. Best move EVER!

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 21:04 | 5317038 Syrin
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They need to wall those fuckers in and GIVE them Ebola, because these shit heads move from CT, then go fuck up another state that is functioning half way decently by voting for the same assholes that fucked up their original state.   Here in the south we call them Massholes.   These are the same shitheads who left California to fuck up Colorado.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 22:43 | 5317334 Blano
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Not just Colorado, but Texas as well.

Heard on the radio today that 66,000 came here (Texas) from Kallyfornia just in the past year.  Between them and illegals, this place is gonna be ruined within 10 years.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 23:52 | 5317535 IridiumRebel
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I'm out. I don't vote like they do. I was just there for three years for school. Wall the rest in and throw away the key.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 23:24 | 5317462 silverliberty
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And Nevada and every other state that touches Kalifornya. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:46 | 5315631 HamRove
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If the billionaires think that this will protect them when the time comes, they are sorely mistaken.....

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:24 | 5316226 El Vaquero
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The billionaires would likely do something similar to what the aristocrats during the black death did.  Bug out.  And that will protect a lot of them.  The problem for the billionaires is that people would not give a shit about them when it all blew over.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:27 | 5316233 Government need...
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Agree, this way the Communists will claim the lands of the 1%ers, liquidating as they go.  It's a good 'Final Solution' to their '1%' problem.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:48 | 5316310 g speed
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If Malloy thinks this will protct him when the time comes, he is sorely mistaken....

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:51 | 5316563 Not Too Important
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If they survive Ebola, the Fukushima radiation will get them.

Last thing I saw, using official US/Japan radiation numbers, it's the equivalent of a Hiroshima sized bomb going off every 7 minutes, for going on 4 years and no end in sight, with two more NPP's there about to blow. Take that down to every 4 minutes 24/7/365?

Life on this world cannot survive any of this. Certainly not us.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 21:05 | 5317042 Syrin
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They cavvicnated themselves against Ebola years ago.   The proclem is the strains are evolving

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:22 | 5315960 Squid Viscous
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Sandy Hoax wasn't enough for this fuck Malloy?

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:46 | 5316297 Kirk2NCC1701
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@Headbanger: "Cause that's where all the fucking 1% Wall Street fuckers live"

And those guys in the monkey suits look like Aliens, or guys from the Umbrella Corporation in Resident Evil, hunting for Alice.

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:31 | 5317595 Freddie
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Libtard and Demtard state and let them eat cake.  It is a shame that the ebola rectum Blumenthal was not clipped by this commuter train.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1eRgUooE-I

Almost 45,000 licensed hunters in CT and 14.6 million in the USA.  I would bet many have scoped .308/30-06 rifles. 

http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages/LicenseInfo/HuntingLicCertHistory20...

Hopefully Gene Rosen will be interviewed when he turns into an ebola zombie.  There is a place in hell for Gene. His weird house with dolls for children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfczc6m5M4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJxE2Sp5ED4

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:41 | 5317630 buttmint
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okay....fair enough, very tough quarantine rules. How come they were never discussed back in JUNE towards all AIR CARRIERS when all of us could see this shotstorm developing?

Give credit where credit isdue. US Gov't want to spread this plague. Yet another 9/11 stunt, Yawn.  sarc/

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:16 | 5315438 FL_Conservative
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That's one way to get a vacation where everyone will leave you alone.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:26 | 5315945 El Oregonian
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Here is the reason for this BS, it's Sandy Hoax 2.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xuGBz8ZhUs

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:28 | 5315508 WTFRLY
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Lieberia? “Liberia bans journalists from Ebola centers” confirming earlier rumors
http://wtfrly.com/2014/10/10/lieberia-liberia-bans-journalists-from-ebol...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:13 | 5315430 New England Patriot
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Dang. I didn't have Ebola until you told me I did and threw me in with the people who have Ebola. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:18 | 5315445 palmdetroit
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AmmmmeerrriiiKaaaaaaa ,. AmmmmmerrriiiKAaaaaaa

 

Maybe they should just not do anything and let ebolas peeps run around

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:53 | 5316570 Not Too Important
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That's what they're hoping.

How many brain-dead Obama voters believe him when he says there's no problem?

"Let's go give all these people a BIG HUG!"

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:31 | 5315525 RiverRoad
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THIS is purely a reelection tactic for Malloy.  He's gotta LOVE this Ebola thing.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:54 | 5315692 Miffed Microbio...
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Absolutely. This is simply grandstanding. This man actually thinks you can saber rattle and threaten this agent into submission. This tactic cannot work with humans let alone a virus that has a far greater killing capacity.

This whole scenario is like a plot from a bad B movie that you've got to be dead drunk to find any enjoyment. If it weren't reality, I'd like to sit back a la MST3K and just make fun of the whole damn thing.

Miffed

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:03 | 5315768 Winston Churchill
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Its like the plot for a bad Ealing farce miffed.

A cross between the Mouse that Roared ,and Zombie Apocalypse.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:05 | 5315779 HardAssets
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Its all a fraud Miffed.  Just like the so called 'test' for it.

Your whole industry is basically a scam run by psychopath criminals:

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/the-ebola-test-let-the-test...

 

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:29 | 5316237 Whoa Dammit
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Hi Miffed,

You may be interested in reading this --it has info about the way lab work was done on the Emory Ebola patients(equipment used, etc.)

http://www.tnpublichealth.org/2014-presentations/Wed.%20PM%20Workshop,%2...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:43 | 5316528 Miffed Microbio...
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I was going to take a picture of my work area to show how my hospital is completely unprepared to handle an Ebola case, though they claim the opposite. I probably would be fired for such a stunt.

It looks like Emory sent out the specimens and didn't do in house PCR. Any attempts to do that at my hospital would cause me to quit immediately. I am more afraid as we go into flu season, an Ebola patient will be misdiagnosed and I would be doing a flu A PCR on an Ebola patient. That agent should be handled in a bio level 4 facility. We are a bio level 2 lab.

Miffed

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:56 | 5316587 Not Too Important
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Why not quit now, Miffed?

"If you had two years to live, how would you live it?"

No one should put off answering this ASAP.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 20:08 | 5316864 espirit
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Move that to 'two weeks' to live...

 

And I'd infect as many of those as I could that are responsible for this fiasco.

 

That's why they prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse.  

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 10:45 | 5318135 Government need...
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Like many aware Americans (i.e. non-primate-plusers), Miffed does not want to interrupt her life personally/professionally.  Most ZHers acknowledge a rising, non-zero probability of some form of Krystallnacht.  Could be gun-grabbers. could be Ebola quarantiners, could be MS-13 out for a hazing ritual.  For me, it was easy to leave NYC, but for many, their jobs, social networks, and families make this much more difficult.  Folks like Miffed understand the threat is real and rising.  That alone should urge incremental action. 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 20:45 | 5316980 shovelhead
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As long as you have plenty of redstriped plastic tape your isolation areas are secure.

It works in Spain.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 21:26 | 5317105 humble_man
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My wife works at the primary hospital serving about 750,000 in the SW USA.....I've read the ER and NICU protocols....no different than H1N1 which you have suffered from.  Positive pressure containment units....ZERO.

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:23 | 5315925 F-Tipp
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Don't fear - Big McLargeHuge will save us. Put your faith in Blast Hardcheese.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:04 | 5316124 SumTing Wong
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Showed my wife "I am Legend" last evening. She couldn't sleep through most of the night...

At least this disease doesn't make people into flesh-eating assholes. You have to be a politician to get that disease.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:55 | 5316584 tenpanhandle
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Told my wife I am Legend last evening.  She slept through most of it.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 18:57 | 5316593 Not Too Important
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Not flesh-eating assholes, but the survivors will be hunted for their blood by 'blood-draining' assholes.

Survivor blood serum is the only cure.

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 10:47 | 5318139 Government need...
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I chuckled this past week when I saw '28 Days Later' was coming on one of the movie channels.  Art imitating life, imitating art. . .

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:41 | 5316008 e_goldstein
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Ebola. The only thing that can save the Dims chances of staying in power this November.

People too terrified to congregate in voting locations.

Well, that and Diebold.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:14 | 5316177 The Big Ching-aso
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If you come down with the flu they can detain you becuz it might be Ebola. I guess we should call it Flubola then.

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 13:27 | 5318377 Flagit
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One Flu Over The Cuckoo's Nest

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:37 | 5316271 Boozer
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Well said Buckaroo...the man is a total douche.  I get stuck seeing that

slimeball mug of his often as I somehow ended up in Connecticut. 

Unions love him to boot.  Winning.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:11 | 5315415 remain calm
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Keep those African's from South Africa out of our country, haven't they already done enough damage.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:59 | 5315730 Berspankme
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you mean kenyans?

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 19:00 | 5316598 Not Too Important
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Wouldn't do much good now. It might slow things down for a month or two, then the exponential math takes over and it's all moot.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:19 | 5315455 IANAE
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Malloy is in the late stages of contentious race to remain Governor... virtually guaranteed to get worse from here on.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:50 | 5315657 freedogger
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This shit is airborne:

Commentary from national experts on respiratory protection and infectious disease transmission:
(click the link and read the whole thing)
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-wor...

"We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients"

"Most scientific and medical personnel, along with public health organizations, have been unequivocal in their statements that Ebola can be transmitted only by direct contact with virus-laden fluids2,3 and that the only modes of transmission we should be concerned with are those termed "droplet" and "contact."

This reflects an incorrect and outmoded understanding of infectious aerosols, which has been institutionalized in policies, language, culture, and approaches to infection control."

"How are infectious diseases transmitted via aerosols?
Medical and infection control professionals have relied for years on a paradigm for aerosol transmission of infectious diseases based on very outmoded research and an overly simplistic interpretation of the data. In the 1940s and 50s, William F. Wells and other "aerobiologists" employed now significantly out-of-date sampling methods (eg, settling plates) and very blunt analytic approaches (eg, cell culturing) to understand the movement of bacterial aerosols in healthcare and other settings. Their work, though groundbreaking at the time, provides a very incomplete picture.

Early aerobiologists were not able to measure small particles near an infectious person and thus assumed such particles existed only far from the source. They concluded that organisms capable of aerosol transmission (termed "airborne") can only do so at around 3 feet or more from the source. Because they thought that only larger particles would be present near the source, they believed people would be exposed only via large "droplets" on their face, eyes, or nose.

Modern research, using more sensitive instruments and analytic methods, has shown that aerosols emitted from the respiratory tract contain a wide distribution of particle sizesÃ"including many that are small enough to be inhaled.5,6 Thus, both small and large particles will be present near an infectious person.

As noted by early aerobiologists, liquid in a spray aerosol, such as that generated during coughing or sneezing, will quickly evaporate,7 which increases the concentration of small particles in the aerosol. Because evaporation occurs in milliseconds, many of these particles are likely to be found near the infectious person."

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:12 | 5315834 Winston Churchill
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Old news here.

I'm more concerned about insect vectors. which just like aerosol, we were assured, is impossible.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 16:23 | 5315924 chunga
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If ebola could be spread by mosquitos you'd think just about everyone in Africa would be dead already.

(ok slight exaggeration see malaria)

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:32 | 5316249 Urban Redneck
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Yes, look at the average infection numbers for malaria per year in the three plauged countries, and compare those numbers to this years ebola outbreak, then realize that this strain of ebola has been present in West Africa undetected for about half a dozen years... until this year.

Also, there is a difference between a mosquito (or other insect) being a natural reservoir (i.e. permanent home) of ebola, and that same insect infecting a healthy person (shortly) after sucking some blood from an infected person (and not wiping its little mouth between meals). (Since ebola hasn't measurably jumped any of those pesky borders that the local mosquitoes don't give a damn about, it's evidence (not proof) that mosquitoes aren't persistent natural reservoirs... yet)

Too much we don't know and data and that isn't available. Unfortunately, that might change soon.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:06 | 5316133 RiverRoad
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Sputum (spit) is a fluid.  When you talk, cough, sneeze guess where it goes.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:23 | 5316219 chunga
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Agreed, but if mosquitos or ticks, biting flies etc are vectors they like to seek out and bite people and that's even worse. I'm not saying they are or aren't vectors because I don't know.

CDC tells us that only one particular type of tick carries and spreads Lyme. I call bullshit on that. The best amount of insects to be bitten by is zero in any case.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:52 | 5315674 dot_bust
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Yeah, but hazmat suits are really fashionable now. Perhaps Armani will make one with pinstripes. Yes, indeed, it's the in-thing for any man who wants safe fashion and even safer sex.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:55 | 5315697 WillyGroper
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"I wonder if there is something they are not telling us?"

Yup, they're telling you there's a lot on money in CT & you ain't a card carryin member of the .1%. 


Sat, 10/11/2014 - 00:40 | 5317622 McCormick No. 9
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Too late LoP. You comment here on ZH, home of the most cookies of any website anywhere.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:20 | 5315465 boattrash
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HH, this confirms the importance of situational awarenes, as it can be used so that when, "That knock on the door comes" one has a vantage point Aprox 150-200 yards away.

 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:31 | 5315536 LawsofPhysics
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Make it 500 and "fully silenced" with several of your closest friends.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:54 | 5315687 MachoMan
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Not that I'm volunteering to be on the receiving end, but if you want "fully silenced" proper, then you'll have to use subsonic rounds out of a bolt gun or one in which the chamber remains closed after firing a round...  which means shit for distance shooting due to the decrease in velocity...  and, consequently, significant diminishment in lethality.

Suppression is used to help mask the location of a shooter, but not make the report go away entirely...  common among our fighting troops because every little bit helps, but if you want "fully" silenced, then you'll probably need to be doing some up close work...  and, frankly, the suppressor would probably need to be integrated.

Not sure why suppressors aren't more popular here...  hell, in other less gun friendly countries, you're supposed to use one because of noise pollution and pissing off the neighbors...  I guess hollywood ruined something else for us because everyone with a suppressor must be a hitman... 

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:12 | 5316161 Government need...
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My strategy would be different.  I'd come fast and loud with a center-mass hit with a .338 Lapua.  Let everyone else know you mean business.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:31 | 5316251 El Vaquero
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They also reduce or eliminate muzzle flash and they reduce recoil. 

 

And a lot of people don't have them because you have to go through the ATF to get approved.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 17:35 | 5316261 nc551
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Suppressors on big long guns mask the shooter position amazingly well at long distances.  It is a distinct tactical advantage requiring advanced electronics or lots of lucky terrain features to figure out the direction it is from.  He might be talking about the 300BLK which is a cool round designed to only need an upper swap with the AR platform, same lower and mags, with the same terminal ballistics as the 7.62x39 and you can shoot some heavy naturally subsonic loads easily out 300 yards in near true movie silence.  Maybe 500 in the right conditions.

Sat, 10/11/2014 - 21:35 | 5319467 Government need...
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Unless one spends every night in the field (pr pays someone else to do it for you), this tactical advantage is purely theoretical.  When defending your home, you are only as good as your system for threat detection.  It's a MUCH tougher fight if you detect the threat only as the knock-team breaks down your door.

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:31 | 5315540 hedgeless_horseman
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This confirms the importance of drug testing cops for steroids and amphetimines, and of not having a one-kick-door.

  • Purchase and install Door Jamb Armor and dead bolts on all your exterior doors; $1,000 for 4 doors.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-19-10/fear-we-are-returning-ti...

Fri, 10/10/2014 - 15:38 | 5315576 boattrash
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L of P / HH, I could not agree more, thanks for the link.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!