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America's Anti-ISIS Strategy Is In Tatters

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A week ago we noted how critical the seige in Kobani was (and why it suggested President Obama's strategy was a fiasco given a lack of commitment from supposed allies such as Turkey). 7 days later.. and America's plans to fight Islamic State are in ruins as the militant group's fighters come close to capturing Kobani and have inflicted a heavy defeat on the Iraqi army west of Baghdad. While John Kerry has today stated, "Kobani does not define strategy against Islamic State," the 'loss' is symbolic as The Independent's Patrick Cockburn notes, in both Syria and Iraq, ISIS is expanding its control rather than contracting.

 

 

Authored by Patrick Cockburn via The Independent,

The US-led air attacks launched against Islamic State (also known as Isis) on 8 August in Iraq and 23 September in Syria have not worked. President Obama's plan to "degrade and destroy" Islamic State has not even begun to achieve success. In both Syria and Iraq, Isis is expanding its control rather than contracting.

Isis reinforcements have been rushing towards Kobani in the past few days to ensure that they win a decisive victory over the Syrian Kurdish town's remaining defenders. The group is willing to take heavy casualties in street fighting and from air attacks in order to add to the string of victories it has won in the four months since its forces captured Mosul, the second-largest city in Iraq, on 10 June. Part of the strength of the fundamentalist movement is a sense that there is something inevitable and divinely inspired about its victories, whether it is against superior numbers in Mosul or US airpower at Kobani.

In the face of a likely Isis victory at Kobani, senior US officials have been trying to explain away the failure to save the Syrian Kurds in the town, probably Isis's toughest opponents in Syria. "Our focus in Syria is in degrading the capacity of [Isis] at its core to project power, to command itself, to sustain itself, to resource itself," said US Deputy National Security Adviser Tony Blinken, in a typical piece of waffle designed to mask defeat. "The tragic reality is that in the course of doing that there are going to be places like Kobani where we may or may not be able to fight effectively."

Unfortunately for the US, Kobani isn't the only place air strikes are failing to stop Isis. In an offensive in Iraq launched on 2 October but little reported in the outside world, Isis has captured almost all the cities and towns it did not already hold in Anbar province, a vast area in western Iraq that makes up a quarter of the country. It has captured Hit, Kubaisa and Ramadi, the provincial capital, which it had long fought for. Other cities, towns and bases on or close to the Euphrates River west of Baghdad fell in a few days, often after little resistance by the Iraqi Army which showed itself to be as dysfunctional as in the past, even when backed by US air strikes.

Today, only the city of Haditha and two bases, Al-Assad military base near Hit, and Camp Mazrah outside Fallujah, are still in Iraqi government hands. Joel Wing, in his study –"Iraq's Security Forces Collapse as The Islamic State Takes Control of Most of Anbar Province" – concludes: "This was a huge victory as it gives the insurgents virtual control over Anbar and poses a serious threat to western Baghdad".

The battle for Anbar, which was at the heart of the Sunni rebellion against the US occupation after 2003, is almost over and has ended with a decisive victory for Isis. It took large parts of Anbar in January and government counter-attacks failed dismally with some 5,000 casualties in the first six months of the year. About half the province's 1.5 million population has fled and become refugees. The next Isis target may be the Sunni enclaves in western Baghdad, starting with Abu Ghraib on the outskirts but leading right to the centre of the capital.

The Iraqi government and its foreign allies are drawing comfort, there having been some advances against Isis in the centre and north of the country. But north and north-east of Baghdad the successes have not been won by the Iraqi army but by highly sectarian Shia militias which do not distinguish between Isis and the rest of the Sunni population. They speak openly of getting rid of Sunni in mixed provinces such as Diyala where they have advanced. The result is that Sunni in Iraq have no alternative but to stick with Isis or flee, if they want to survive. The same is true north-west of Mosul on the border with Syria, where Iraqi Kurdish forces, aided by US air attacks, have retaken the important border crossing of Rabia, but only one Sunni Arab remained in the town. Ethnic and sectarian cleansing has become the norm in the war in both Iraq and Syria.

The US's failure to save Kobani, if it falls, will be a political as well as military disaster. Indeed, the circumstances surrounding the loss of the beleaguered town are even more significant than the inability so far of air strikes to stop Isis taking 40 per cent of it. At the start of the bombing in Syria, President Obama boasted of putting together a coalition of Sunni powers such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, United Arab Emirates and Bahrain to oppose Isis, but these all have different agendas to the US in which destroying IS is not the first priority. The Sunni Arab monarchies may not like Isis, which threatens the political status quo, but, as one Iraqi observer put it, "they like the fact that Isis creates more problems for the Shia than it does for them".

Of the countries supposedly uniting against Isis, by the far most important is Turkey because it shares a 510-mile border with Syria across which rebels of all sorts, including Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra, have previously passed with ease. This year the Turks have tightened border security, but since its successes in the summer Isis no longer needs sanctuary, supplies and volunteers from outside to the degree it once did.

In the course of the past week it has become clear that Turkey considers the Syrian Kurd political and military organisations, the PYD and YPG, as posing a greater threat to it than the Islamic fundamentalists. Moreover, the PYD is the Syrian branch of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which has been fighting for Kurdish self-rule in Turkey since 1984.

Ever since Syrian government forces withdrew from the Syrian Kurdish enclaves or cantons on the border with Turkey in July 2012, Ankara has feared the impact of self-governing Syrian Kurds on its own 15 million-strong Kurdish population.

President Recep Tayyip Erdogan would prefer Isis to control Kobani, not the PYD. When five PYD members, who had been fighting Isis at Kobani, were picked up by the Turkish army as they crossed the border last week they were denounced as "separatist terrorists".

Turkey is demanding a high price from the US for its co-operation in attacking Isis, such as a Turkish-controlled buffer zone inside Syria where Syrian refugees are to live and anti-Assad rebels are to be trained. Mr Erdogan would like a no-fly zone which will also be directed against the government in Damascus since Isis has no air force. If implemented the plan would mean Turkey, backed by the US, would enter the Syrian civil war on the side of the rebels, though the anti-Assad forces are dominated by Isis and Jabhat al-Nusra, the al-Qaeda affiliate.

It is worth keeping in mind that Turkey's actions in Syria since 2011 have been a self-defeating blend of hubris and miscalculation. At the start of the uprising, it could have held the balance between the government and its opponents. Instead, it supported the militarisation of the crisis, backed the jihadis and assumed Assad would soon be defeated. This did not happen and what had been a popular uprising became dominated by sectarian warlords who flourished in conditions created by Turkey. Mr Erdogan is assuming he can disregard the rage of the Turkish Kurds at what they see as his complicity with Isis against the Syrian Kurds. This fury is already deep, with 33 dead, and is likely to get a great deal worse if Kobani falls.

Why doesn't Ankara worry more about the collapse of the peace process with the PKK that has maintained a ceasefire since 2013? It may believe that the PKK is too heavily involved in fighting Isis in Syria that it cannot go back to war with the government in Turkey. On the other hand, if Turkey does join the civil war in Syria against Assad, a crucial ally of Iran, then Iranian leaders have said that "Turkey will pay a price". This probably means that Iran will covertly support an armed Kurdish insurgency in Turkey. Saddam Hussein made a somewhat similar mistake to Mr Erdogan when he invaded Iran in 1980, thus leading Iran to reignite the Kurdish rebellion that Baghdad had crushed through an agreement with the Shah in 1975. Turkish military intervention in Syria might not end the war there, but it may well spread the fighting to Turkey.

 

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Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:34 | 5321934 TahoeBilly2012
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It's sick, but when I read about ISIS, Ebola and Obama I keep thinking of cartoons. Not right, but it all seems surreal.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:43 | 5321953 X.inf.capt
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i am so glad im retired...

 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:48 | 5321980 SAT 800
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Roger that; out.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:05 | 5322044 Publicus
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They bomb empty buildings at night, they never were planning to fight ISIS.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:07 | 5322053 Keyser
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In order for a strategy to be in taters, you must first have a strategy...

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:36 | 5322141 curbjob
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America Inc. hasn't won a war in 60 years ...

 

well okay, I guess the war on the middle class has been a victory.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:41 | 5322165 gmrpeabody
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This administration is so absolutely worthless that it really makes you wonder if they are all guilty of espionage or something...

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:58 | 5322227 mjcOH1
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"This administration is so absolutely worthless that it really makes you wonder if they are all guilty of espionage or something..."

They were elected by the idle entitled to move the maximum dollars possible to the idle entitled.
Mission Accomplished.

The rest of that governance shit is so 20th century.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 08:07 | 5323360 PAPA ROACH
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This clip reminds me of how we are dealing with ISIS. Obama is the guy with the white hair "Ray"...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYHO7FRsQAA

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 22:05 | 5322609 lincolnsteffens
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You mean you are wondering? If this administration is worthless to you, follow the money. The trail will lead you to those who profit by the espionage.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 00:28 | 5322914 Buckaroo Banzai
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OF COURSE they are all a bunch of treasonous shitbags. Even rank incompetents occasionally do something right, if only by accident; the only way you do EVERYTHING wrong is when you are working for the other side.

Our challenge is to figure out who exactly is "the other side".

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:41 | 5322169 Mr Poopra
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They do have a strategy.  It's to fund, direct, and mobilize ISIS forces as the Military Industrial Complex and Global Mafia see fit.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:47 | 5322382 Freddie
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Looting the US taxpayer and leaving Iraq and Syria in ruins.  It really si genocide against the Iraqi and Syrian people.

The author's comment:

The Syrian Kurds in the town, probably Isis's toughest opponents in Syria

It appears that Hezboolah trying to help the Syrian people iswho ISIS/NUSRA fear the most.  The Syrian Army is also fighting well.

 

 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 23:16 | 5322798 Overfed
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As far as I'm concerned, what needs to happen now is for the Russians to directly intervene on behalf of their Syrian allies. A couple of Russian divisions to scour ISIS/CIA out of Syria once and for all.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 04:37 | 5323132 OhNo
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I was hoping for that too, But Believe now that Russia-USSA,England are all the same Russia said fuck  all these last two weeks when all this shit was going down. Its all Problem - Reaction - Solution as the great Icke would say. Its all in the flags there all red white and fuckin blue. China and Russia will bring in the NWO one world currency.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 04:40 | 5323149 SAT 800
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Fuck I'd volunteer.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 06:30 | 5323239 Relentless
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Russia is already doing all it can. There's no way it can deliver and supply a large number of troops to Syria that doesn't involve sea travel. Sea travel that goes through the Bosphorus and will be opposed by Turkey. So its instead using covert supplies, special forces and containers of supplies to the regime and thats it. Plus the threat of more involvement should the western powers thraten to escalate their involvement. Besides, Russia experience in Afghanistan will also tend to push them to non-direct involvement.

Syria is a quagmire and a nasty proxy war. Neither the West or Russia can afford to get any more invoved, which is why the shindig in the Ukraine went up. Ukraine's stabilised now that both sides reached an understanding of the limit of what they were prepared to do. Hint: Russia was willing to go further.

Syria's never going to stabilise as there are too many players in the game.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 00:42 | 5322931 r0mulus
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ISIS serves strategic advantages of everyone in the coalition supposedly against it:

-Destroys Kurds for Turkey
-Destroys Syria for Saudi Arabia/Qatar
-Destroys Iraq to permanently break apart a once powerful, secular, Middle-Eastern state and prevent it from ever returning to existence
-Turns that state into a front-line for future Sunni-Shi'ite religious conflict against Iran

If Syria gets destroyed and so does Iraq, all that land is up for grabs, overland oil pipelines routes are unlocked from US-Anglo power bloc allies to Europe, and Europe is thus "saved" from being tempted away from Anglo-UK power bloc with cheap Russian energy. Russia can be forced into recession and economically subverted, forced to sell gold (?), and China isolated (?)

The described end part is largely speculative thought exercise, to be fair.

Crazy fucking times we live in. The game is insane these days.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 02:47 | 5323067 SAT 800
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I don;t know if it's technically genocide or not; but it's the murder and destruction of huge numbers of people who just wanted to be left alone to on with their lives; and it;s really infuriating. there's not a damn thing I  can do about it. Most people think you're crazy if you start leaking info. about this crap.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:46 | 5323017 GooseShtepping Moron
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So I guess you mean that the whole "follow them to the gates of hell" thing didn't quite work out...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8OZE4N2PqM

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:09 | 5322064 SAT 800
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Yeah; I mean we're supposed to be so stupid as to believe that we're fighting ISIS; fuck we're paying ISIS not fighting them.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:21 | 5322088 All Risk No Reward
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The ISIS strategy is working quite well.  It seems the author of this article doesn't understand the nature of said strategy.

Does said author think that taking known serial liars at their word is the mark of intelligence?

If so, the author is a genius.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 21:41 | 5322544 Chuck Walla
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10-4 the retired, this is written as if Obama even gave a shit. Where's his cut? What, no money or golf in it? Shit, no care, I dare.

FORWARD SOVIET!

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:48 | 5321985 TeamDepends
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"Face it, you threw up ON Dean ISIS."

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 00:30 | 5322918 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Gay, high, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:09 | 5322063 Croesus
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Does that mean that JOHN MCCAIN'S PRO-ISIS Strategy is working?

 

http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/06/isis-pr-mccain/

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:18 | 5322080 caconhma
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After allowing Zionist Banking Mafia to install a New World Order, we are moving to New Middle Ages with despicable brutality, slaughter of hundreds of millions people, and catastrophic epidemics.

It is just a matter of time before all these goodies will come to America where both the ruling elite and common people have degraded to a point of being incapable of defending & preserving their own lives.

The irony is that, after committing a genocide against Native Americans, the present day Americans are about to repeat the Native American plight.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:24 | 5322106 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen.
Americans can and will "JOIN" the ISIL. ISIL is the new rebel army of and for the people.

Americans should consider, the ISIL.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 23:45 | 5322815 Lore
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Local Muslims see through ISIS.  It's a Langley asset, 'Islamic Astroturf' for recruiting disenfranchised Middle Eastern fodder for the PNAC meat grinder. The previous version was marketed as "Al Qaeda." Think of it as a sting operation gone awry. The irony is that it provides a proxy battleground for different arms of the Military Industrial Complex to wage a longstanding but increasingly contentious turf war. 

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 02:51 | 5323068 SAT 800
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Sick, Sick, Sick; Langley asset. Jesus. so now the USA stands for murdering people everywhere; and for what? it's too crazy.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 04:42 | 5323153 SAT 800
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Who let you out of your cage.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:06 | 5322258 RiverRoad
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  +1    Cartoons, comic books and really bad movies.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:33 | 5321937 joego1
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No boots on the ground until after ISIS routs Assad.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:49 | 5321986 OpTwoMistic
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O is not bombing ISIS. They are after Assad and Saudi is paying for it.
Seen any film or pictures? Planes have cameras.
Farce.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:13 | 5322069 EscondidoSurfer
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Eliminating Assad is why ISIS is allowed to exist. Its clever redirection into Iraq will continue as will Assad.  ISIS hopes to be strong enough so that if/when it eliminates Assad, Erdogen will no longer be able to coopt the ISIS mantle.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:34 | 5321940 souljaboy
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How many medals has Kerry been "awarded" for this mission?

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:34 | 5321942 remain calm
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Ok American people lets pick Hilary next, that ignorant lying bitch, she wll do better.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:37 | 5321957 besnook
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or jeb. he'll be just as good.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:38 | 5321959 robertocarlos
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She wouldn't hesitate to sacrifice the goy soldiers.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:50 | 5321995 NoDebt
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She's definitely the one I want in the WH if that phone rings at 3:00am.  She'll let them all roll to voice mail.  "Hi, this is Hillary.  Your emergency phone call is important to me.  Please leave a detailed message after the beep and I'll get back to you long after it's too late."

 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:12 | 5322068 SAT 800
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Well, you better vote then, hadn't you? and you know what that means; you better vote for a Republican, cause that's the other ticket. Look, they don't expect it; it'll throw a wrench in their plan? oKay?

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:34 | 5322137 Croesus
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@ SAT 800: 

Forget that, vote for Gil Fulbright: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_V4lRdtjo#t=81

 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:41 | 5322163 NoDebt
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800-  The sad truth is, when choosing between bad and worse, you choose bad.  I prefer my puppets at least perform for me and give the general impression of competence and caring as they go through the well-known motions of Kabuki Theatre.

Even with the bar set to such a low standard, I see nobody on the horizon close to that description.  I'm guessing it's going to come down to Hillary and the Fat Man, but we'll have to wait until 2 days after the midterms before the Presidential stuff heats up.  They'll all be running early and often this cycle.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 03:04 | 5322880 Lore
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Edit: I didn't think anybody read these posts. Now I know. (grin)

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 02:55 | 5323071 SAT 800
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Well, yeah it makes some difference who the Republicans can get on the ballot; but almost anything would be better than Hilary; we know she's a part of the present cabal. The problem with independents is you're just wasting your vote. Well, it's about time for my nap.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:17 | 5322076 remain calm
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PS If this is a foreign US embassy........RIP

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:49 | 5322193 Amish Hacker
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"...to continue in English, press 'One' now.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:59 | 5322411 shovelhead
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Built in Campaign Slogan:

"At This Point, What Difference Does It Make."

Some truth in advertising.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 02:57 | 5323072 SAT 800
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Yeah; I mean jesus a competant public relations agency should be able to derail her campaign.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:44 | 5321952 Tachyon5321
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America's Anti-ISIS Strategy Is In Tatters: Epic Title Fail because American does not have a foreign policy.  Much less a strategy on ISIS. 

 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:53 | 5322001 NoDebt
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We should just say we're actually on the side of ISIS and declare victory.  Truth is probably not that far from.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:14 | 5322072 SAT 800
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Come on, you know we can't SAY that; we just pay them; and send them more weapons, and keep bombing the wrong places, etc. etc. and then we get to say; well, we gave it our best shot.  They're another CIA proxy army; like Al Qaeda was to begin with.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:59 | 5322003 e_goldstein
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What, perpetual undeclared war against brown people to secure their resources and build pipelines that they can blow up so we can rebuild them, so they can blow them up, so we can rebuild them, over and over in some grand Keynesian circle-jerk on behalf of the oligarchy doesn't count as a foreign policy?

You're sounding pretty anti-Amerikan there, comrade.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:51 | 5321956 robertocarlos
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Boots on the ground or you have nothing. Toe to toe with ISIL.

Edit: I realize this is not in line with my Hilary post above but I really think you should not be in Syria at all.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:39 | 5321958 awakeRewe
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What happened to the Christians?

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:15 | 5322983 tumblemore
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if part of the plan was to ethnically cleanse Christians from the middle east then it would be succeeding very well.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 04:57 | 5323163 SAT 800
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You don't want to know. All I can say is Obama better hope there really isn't any Christian God.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:41 | 5321963 besnook
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this is all going according to plan. isis takes out the shiites of iraq(no one has ever cared about the kurds) and assad and mission accomplished.....but we don't know where putin's(or xi's) red line is.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:20 | 5322313 trulz4lulz
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Apparently its the Russian border.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 02:59 | 5323075 SAT 800
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I;m ready to volunteer for his front line troops if he'd just land marines in syria and start kicking ISIS back to the stone age.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 04:45 | 5323155 SAT 800
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I CARE ABOUT THE KURDS. THEY'RE PEOPLE GODAMMIT.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:41 | 5321964 NOZZLE
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Tyler, can you like do a laudatory story on Michelle'$ arms or her latest designer dress or how the most powerful man in the world dined on Wagu Beef from Kobe?   Its what we need to know. 

When ISIS headchops its way to Macedonia is the day people wake up to Obango'$ incompetence.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:42 | 5321968 Yen Cross
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  I always look for the weakest link when making business decisions. I don't care how old the idea or asset is.

 If a person maintains that idea, or trade, and stays profitable over a period of years, they're doing something right.

 D.C. is the weakest link. I love the United States, and the wonderful people that have made it such an example of freedom.

 Unfortunately, the { sweat equity} crowd has been stiffled or moved away. It's really sad, what this once beautiful country has become.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:44 | 5321976 Miss Expectations
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The underground cities in Turkey:

The region of Anatolia in Turkey is famous for its underground cities, particularly in the region of Cappadocia where more than 40 complete underground cities and 200 underground villages and tunnel towns complete with hidden passages, secret rooms, and ancient temples have been found. - See more at: http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/home-owner-disco...

 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 22:28 | 5322673 Escapedgoat
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Here is another from the same type of People, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22315469

Masters of Architecture and innovations of evasion technics. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29239529

And it started much earlier than we think. Apart from the Egyptians their long term trading partners.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:47 | 5321981 knightowl77
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Who knew, all along the "JV" Team was actually the Obola Administration...?

Thousands will die to due to his incompetence or his indifference...Either way it is bad

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:54 | 5322008 NoDebt
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Pretty sure we're well past thousands already. 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:16 | 5322079 SAT 800
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Madeline Albright said the 200,000 Iraqi children were "acceptable losses". In public.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:51 | 5321992 SAT 800
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I have an idea, of course; but I can't say what it is. Don't the Kurds have any snipers ?

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:51 | 5322000 robertocarlos
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To snipe from that area all the way to DC the bullet would have to do mach 88.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:18 | 5322081 SAT 800
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Now, that's not what I said; don't go putting words in my note. I meant president Ergdogan, to begin with.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:50 | 5321994 Berspankme
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Obola settings new standards for incompetence. Forward

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:52 | 5322002 holmes
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Who would have ever thought that getting in the middle of 1,000? year religious war between Shia and Sunni (I like to think of them as Dumb and Dumber) would not be successful. The only stupider group than those two resides in our Capitol.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:02 | 5322036 besnook
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what makes it even more wacko are the elements of the other abrahamics cheering them on because they think their god will save them, but only after they(all the abrahamics) have killed almost everyone.

one the one hand i am thrilled to be able to witness this insanity. on the other hand this is becoming the only thing i feared would happen in my lifetime.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:21 | 5322089 SAT 800
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You have to admit its entertaining. And yeah; dumb and dumber works for me. They're all fighting for their particular version of what the imaginary Sky Daddy said to Some-asshole 800 years ago. People don't deserve to survive. Well, I mean most of them. present company excluded? oh, shit. nevermind. I do best when I just keep my mouth shut.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 18:59 | 5322024 ToNYC
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Things happen for a reason you don't necessarily know, you think?

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:22 | 5322098 SAT 800
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The most intelligent remark on this board today, so far. And yes; definitely.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:45 | 5322181 Bay Area Guy
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My maternal grandmother had a wonderful statement similar to that.....the chap had his reasons. Guy could have machine gunned 50 people and she would say.....the chap had his reasons.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 08:36 | 5322642 ToNYC
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Indeed. Sometimes you just don't know 'till much later.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 21:32 | 5322502 shovelhead
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Yabut...

Why should lack of information stop anyone from weaving elaborate theories out of gossamer threads?

It provides cheap entertainment.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:01 | 5322030 Stumpy4516
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This article by "The Independent", like most other purported independent thought rags, continues with the administrations story line that ISIS is the new boogy man.  They do not point out the connections of ISIS to the CIA and how ISIS has been supplied and assisted.

It makes sense if you consider that ISIS is CIA/Masoud at the upper levels.  Splinter groups within ISIS who are not well controlled are the ones hit with bombs to remove them. 

Someone posted some information recently about how a group leader of some of these splinter groups had a conference about seting a different direction, only to be bombed and taken out.  Funny how that happened.  Others have posted info showing how a corridor is being established using ISIS that will allow a pipeline to be installed and materials movement, including staging to take out Iran.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:56 | 5322226 WhyWait
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Even more than exposing the fraudulent nature of the claim that Assad was using Sarin gas on his own people, the understanding that the US was supporting AlQaida forces led to a rejection of the proposed attack last October so strong that Congress and Parliament rejected it, active duty service personnel were openly denouncing it, and Obama had to back down.

Getting out this story of "the connections of ISIS to the CIA and how ISIS has been supplied and assisted" is perhaps the single most important thing we can do to stop the US from sending our brothers, friends and children into this morass.  

I plan to share it with my Congressman and Senators, get it out over my local online newspapers, and share it with the Veterans I know.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 03:03 | 5323077 SAT 800
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Do it ! doyou need evnelope stuffers ?

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:09 | 5322046 tony wilson
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America's Anti-ISIS Strategy Is In Tatters

 

isis is

a chatham house brookings institute aipac  problem reaction solution project init

 

isis is israeli secret intel service

isis is erdogan the filthy closet jewish turk

isis is qatar

isis is the jewish house of saud

isis is cia and mi6

a pretty tough kosher crowd

no wonder the going gettin tough

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 22:30 | 5322684 Duffy
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New Snowden Document Implies NSA May Be Putting Israel’s Security Ahead of America’s Shady Companies With Ties to Israel Wiretap the U.S. for the NSA NSA shares raw intelligence including Americans' data with Israel How Israel Out-Foxed US Presidents

 

Regarding the touchy Israel connection, the 9/11 Commission stepped up to the plate in the “Recommendations” section of its final report, which was issued on July 22, 2004, but then bunted:

“America’s policy choices have consequences. Right or wrong, it is simply a fact that American policy regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and American actions in Iraq are dominant staples of popular commentary across the Arab and Muslim world. … Neither Israel nor the new Iraq will be safer if worldwide Islamist terrorism grows stronger.” (pp 376-377)

A more convincing swing at this issue was taken in an unclassified study published by the Pentagon-appointed U.S. Defense Science Board on Sept. 23, 2004, just two months later. The board stated:

“Muslims do not ‘hate our freedom,’ but rather, they hate our policies. The overwhelming majority voice their objections to what they see as one-sided support in favor of Israel and against Palestinian rights, and the longstanding, even increasing support for what Muslims collectively see as tyrannies, most notably Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, and the Gulf States.

“Thus, when American public diplomacy talks about bringing democracy to Islamic societies, this is seen as no more than self-serving hypocrisy.”

The report directly contradicted what Bush had been saying about “why they hate us,” letting the elephant out of the bag and into the room, so to speak.

But, you say, you didn’t hear much about that report either, despite 24-hour cable “news” networks and the “change-everything” importance of 9/11 in justifying U.S. invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq? 

- http://www.consortiumnews.com/2009/111509a.html

 

 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:05 | 5322049 Lumberjack
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Everything and anything they do is in tatters for chrissakes. Hell, they even make a moron look like a genius.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:07 | 5322055 Cautiously Pess...
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Everything this administration has touched turns to Bovine Excrement. Period.

 

Next up .... Hillary 'What Difference Does It Make' Clinton

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 03:05 | 5323081 SAT 800
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OOOOH;l stop saying that !! It makes me crazy. that mustn't happen !!

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:08 | 5322058 QQQBall
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We should push them toward Liberia

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:31 | 5322126 thamnosma
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Saw this IS training video yesterday.  Since there are a bunch of ex-military here just wanted some impression of the guy seen at the 0:22-0:32 second mark (monitoring the training).  He appears again at the 5:20-5:24 mark (front view).  

Now he may be Middle Eastern but he sure strikes me at seasoned military, maybe even special forces.  I've known a couple mercs that had that look.  Haircut is high and tight.  Not looking Jihadi at all.  In excellent shape, upper body strength and shades.   Could just be me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6mpa-vzrA0

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:42 | 5322168 JohninMK
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Doesn't look Middle Eastern to me either, nor do a couple of the others standing near him at the end, but they definitely aren't SF material.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:50 | 5322197 thamnosma
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Definitely looks like he's in charge or supervising the training.   Okay, maybe not SF, but seems like an "advisor" type.  Stands out from the rest of those fuggers.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:26 | 5323003 tumblemore
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you're right

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:25 | 5323001 tumblemore
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" they definitely aren't SF material"

 

Whose SF?

 

The guy is too old to be current but that doesn't matter for training and some country's SF are about the same level as the semi-elite infantry in other places.

 

Either way most of the platoon leader types i've seen on videos look like Chechens with a few who might be Turkish SF.


Mon, 10/13/2014 - 04:50 | 5323157 SAT 800
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definitely not SF? man, you can't tell that. I met people at Ft. Benning that could kill you with their left hand, and they looked like store clerks.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 10:46 | 5323815 thamnosma
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I thnk the advisor did not look like a store clerk, more like a middle aged merc.  I've personally known a few who looked quite a bit like that aging "advisor".

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:22 | 5322995 tumblemore
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Isis' military leadership is CIA Chechens and Turkish SF imo.

 

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 04:49 | 5323158 SAT 800
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Yeah; it's logical.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:36 | 5322145 jacship
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"Quicksand

to

Hell

Mr CIA

Created

SUCKINGMOARWAR"

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:36 | 5322147 JohninMK
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If the financial system behind the strength of the US and SA is taken down this could get really nasty!

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:47 | 5322187 grunk
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You got rats on the West Side, bed bugs uptown
What a mess, this town's in tatters
I've been shattered, my brain's been battered
Splattered all over Manhattan

Rolling Stones - Shattered Lyrics | MetroLyrics

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:53 | 5322189 JuliaS
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Anti-asis attacks remind me of directing spiders in horror flicks. They do it by using hot and cold air (blow driers typically). Spiders, being cold-blooded, typically crawl to warmer areas.

What the administration is doign is trying not to eradicate ISIS, but guide it in a certain direction (against Assad). Though, it's an imprecise art. Like with spiders, you never know whether the creature will obey or jump and chew your face off instead.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:28 | 5323004 tumblemore
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exactly

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 19:50 | 5322200 blunderdog
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Jeebus Crispies this is stupid.

The US cannot "save" anyone anywhere, and never could.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:02 | 5322246 limacon
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They will soon need the poor man's Hazmat suit . This has been historically battle proven . It might save some lives  Regards Andre xxxxxxx http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2011/07/rotting-clothing.html https://www.academia.edu/8743634/Ancient_Mongolian_Hazmat_Suit
Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:07 | 5322263 Fix It Again Timmy
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And what is the purpose of these multi-hundred million dollar jets that can't stop insurgents...?  The modern military seems well-suited for one thing - passing tax dollars into the coffers of the military-industrial complex - it's REAL good at that...In the face of a well-equipped enemy, I believe our war toys would have a short life-span.  Defensive weapons are much more economical, much more prevalent and generally get the job done....

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:13 | 5322290 Fuku Ben
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The US should move troops directly into Damascus to help save Assad and the children

Don't laugh. Expect Obot to announce his phoenician marching orders shortly now that the sun is down and he's on the 19th hole. Maybe he can make the announcement at the UN and re-use some of the other fraudster materials as props. Shave a few bucks of the deficit

I always liked the Wile E Coyote ACME bomb prop

https://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/7172/large/bibis-redline.j...

Obama can draw a GREEN line this time instead of RED. GREEN for It's a go! All out attack on Syria. GREEN for Ebola. GREEN for UN Agenda 21 Go Green. Which is in actuality is GREEN for the global satanists plans for depopulation

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:14 | 5322292 Wahooo
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Actually, it seems that obama's isis strategy is working perfectly.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 03:09 | 5323084 SAT 800
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Yeah, yeah; it's just brilliant.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:19 | 5322309 Lumberjack
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Tyler's, thought I would bring this one to your attention.

 

These Are the Financial Disclosure Forms the NSA Said Would Threaten National Security

https://news.vice.com/article/these-are-the-financial-disclosure-forms-t...

 

Former National Security Agency (NSA) Director Keith Alexander has held investments in a corporation that identifies itself as a "world leader in cloud solutions." And in a "data gathering and research" firm. And in a company that develops software that improves the quality of images captured by surveillance cameras. And in a radio frequency business that, among other things, manufactures amplifiers for air traffic control, radar, and surveillance.

The NSA once said that if revealed, this information [pdf below] would threaten national security.

The agency refused VICE News' July request for copies of Alexander's financial disclosure reports, which he is required to fill out annually under a federal law known as the Ethics and Government Act. The law also states that government agencies are required to release the files upon request.

But attorney Shadey Brown, who is the NSA's ethics officer, said in a July 23 letter that the NSA has routinely denied requests for copies of its officials' financial disclosure reports under the National Security Agency Act of 1959. That law authorizes the NSA to withhold virtually everything about the inner workings of the agency, including data about the names, titles, and salaries of people the agency employs.

 Meet John Napier Tye, the US government's favorite whistleblower. Read more here.

Moreover, Brown cited a provision in the Ethics and Government Act that suggested President Barack Obama issued Alexander a waiver that authorized the withholding of his financial reports if disclosure would "compromise the national interest of the United States."

In a lawsuit against the NSA, attorney Jeffrey Light argued that the agency had misinterpreted the laws it cited to justify the ongoing secrecy. Earlier this week, before the case hit a courtroom, a government attorney turned over 59 pages of financial disclosure reports Alexander filed between 2009 and 2014. Brown said in a letter dated October 2 that the NSA was releasing the material "in the interest of transparency."

Alexander's interest in spying was not limited to his tenure as NSA director. He also invested in firms that are on the cutting edge of surveillance technology...

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:29 | 5322329 alexcojones
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Riddle me this, Batman

Why does ISIS flags reads "All Jew!"

Images for ISIS flags

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:32 | 5322343 Dan The Man
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why does you cant grammar?

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:42 | 5322367 tony wilson
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der pentagram needs to combine der memes.

ebola

and isis

isis beards wid ebola exploding scattering ribs guts all over kinda like a dirty bomb butt in realities talmudick fart

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 23:21 | 5322807 dsty
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fox smells it's own hole toni

kosher bung hole

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:48 | 5322385 gwar5
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The only WH strategy is to hand off all this mess to a white guy in 2016. A strategy is an overarching long term plan but the reality is Obama doesn't even have a strategy to develop a strategy.

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 20:59 | 5322407 americanspirit
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Why do I get the feeling that all of us here, myself included, are pissing into a very stiff breeze?

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 22:13 | 5322626 williambanzai7
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Turn aft and piss over the transom...

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:30 | 5323010 tumblemore
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helps keep you sane

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 21:06 | 5322427 Porous Horace
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Here's my strategy: Close all foreign military bases, end all covert activity, give them our phone number and tell them to call us when they've got things sorted out.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 05:03 | 5323175 SAT 800
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Cut off all weapons, ammo. money. and commo. to the ISIS; whatever; and leave them to the "mercy' of the locals. And no return visas.

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 22:11 | 5322622 williambanzai7
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That does it, no more golf for the rest of the weekend!

Sun, 10/12/2014 - 23:06 | 5322780 talisman
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US 'Strategy'?????......ROFLMAO.....

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 01:33 | 5322971 tumblemore
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Isis is getting a ton of outside help from western allies (e.g. Turkey, Saudis, Qatar) (and has from the start). Washington's inability to tell the truth about that is handicapping their strategy. Turkey in particular is very keen on Isis killing as many Kurds as possible.

 

edit: that's the first layer of the onion of course. it could be that the US is fully behind the strategy of nudging Isis towards Assad and unluckily for them the Kurds in northern Syria are simply collateral damage but if you know someone who can't handle the second layer then feed them the first as it will be easier for them to to believe.

 

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 04:42 | 5323152 AlexFStop
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Once again a half-hearted effort by clueless self-deceived politicians to achieve an hazily-defined goal stumbles into a swampy morass of quicksand from which the politicians will succeed in extracting themselves when they reach their term limits but from which their countries will suffer for decades to come without any real benefit having been achieved.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 05:03 | 5323169 NuYawkFrankie
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re America's Anti-Isis Strategy In Tatters

 

USSA <insert any Initiative here>  Strategy Is In Tatters - Fixed

 

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 06:36 | 5323241 sam site
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ISIS is still on the CIA payroll and their main job is to disrupt the RU/Iran gas pipeline scheduled to run through Iran, Iraq and Syria onto to EU markets. 

This pipeline threatens the US petrodollar as well as Saudi and Qatar gas and oil sales to EU.

Obama has to just appear to be suppressing ISIS while attacking Syria and the pipeline plans.  Follow the energy sales where East is competing with Western interests.

 

 

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 07:10 | 5323276 DonGenaro
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shadoobie, shattered

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 08:19 | 5323356 Escapeclaws
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At this point Turkey should be expelled from NATO, their products boycotted and sanctions should be imposed. It is due to Turkey's unwillingness to control its border with Syria and the savings that accrue to Turkey from the sale of IS oil. Now the U.S. is not directly affected by all this, but Europe is another matter. Europe is already un-recognizable, subject de facto to Sharia already, though this is still not perceived by the man in the street. Most of this can be attributed to our "ally" Turkey.

Turkey is effectively promoting the third great Muslim invasion of Europe. First steps in forming a new Ottoman Empire?

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 08:58 | 5323499 StupidEarthlings
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The guys name is 'Cockburn'? thats fuckin funny right there.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 12:30 | 5324409 Ariadne
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Obama fired the right generals. If the whole fed wasn't bought and paid for he'd be out.

Mon, 10/13/2014 - 21:39 | 5327070 SitsOnRocks
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Less than Optimal

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