A commentary in the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party on Saturday accused the U.S. of trying to foment a “color revolution” in Hong Kong.
The commentary, which was entitled “Why is the U.S. so keen on ‘Color Revolutions’?”, appeared on the front page of the The People’s Daily overseas editions on Saturday. The People’s Daily is the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party.
The commentary deems it “inevitable” that the U.S. actions towards Hong Kong “will be associated with the US involvement in the ‘Color Revolutions’ in the Commonwealth of Independent States, the Middle East, North Africa and elsewhere.” The People’s Daily then slams the U.S. for pretending to be interested in democracy when it is really only trying to advance its “strategic interests.” For the United States, the commentary claims, a “‘democratic’ country is one that conducts its affairs in line with American interests.”
The commentary ends by stating that “U.S. may enjoy the sweet taste of interfering in other countries’ internal affairs, but on the issue of Hong Kong it stands little chance of overcoming the determination of the Chinese government to maintain stability and prosperity.”
Although China has strongly implied that foreigners were secretly controlling the Hong Kong protests in recent weeks, the commentary was the first time it so explicitly accused the U.S. of being behind the movement. Its support for this accusation is not very compelling, however, as it mostly focuses on the coverage of independent different media outlets, one of which appears to be a Hong Kong-based online publication.
The commentary begins by noting that, “according to media reports,” Louisa Greve, National Endowment for Democracy’s (NED) the Vice President for Asia, Middle East & North Africa, and Global Programs, met with “key people” in Occupy Central “several months ago” to “talk about the movement.” The unidentified media reports the article references likely refers to an earlier report published in a “Hong Kong-based pro-Beijing newspaper,” according to the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post. The allegations themselves are most likely based on a NED-hosted public discussion on democracy in Hong Kong between Occupy Central leaders Martin Lee and Anson Chan that was held in Washington, DC in April of this year. Louisa Greve mediated the hour long talk, a video of which is available on YouTube.
The National Endowment for Democracy is a democracy promotion organization that, while administered as a private non-profit organization, receives the bulk of its funding from the U.S. government. In 2013 it gave two grants that together totaled less than $300,000 to two organizations for work on Hong Kong. Only one of those organizations is based in Hong Kong.
However, the National Democratic Institute (NDI), a subsidiary of the NED, does maintain a tiny office in Hong Kong. The Diplomat has learned that NDI’s Hong Kong office typically employs one international staff member and occasionally hires one or two locals to help out when needed. Most of NDI’s work in Hong Kong focuses on holding workshops attended by young leaders from all interested political parties that focus on building skills in areas like public speaking, campaign strategy, message development and message delivery. The Diplomat has learned that NDI has regularly worked with pro-Beijing political parties in Hong Kong who, like all political parties, hope to prevail in local elections. Local Hong Kong press have occasionally accused NDI of being a front for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) in the past.
Beyond NED, the People’s Daily article notes that three former U.S. Consuls General to Hong Kong had “recently united” to write an open letter to Hong Kong Chief Executive CY Leung.
Most of the People’s Daily’s claim that the U.S. is trying to foment a color revolution in Hong Kong, however, is based on mainstream newspapers using the term “Umbrella Revolution” in their coverage of the Hong Kong protests. For example, it notes that the Associated Press and Wall Street Journal had used the term “Umbrella Revolution” in their Hong Kong coverage. Neither organization is affiliated with the U.S. government.
The People’s Daily commentary also claimed the “The Times Asia” had used the Umbrella Revolution phrase. It wasn’t entirely clear which publication the commentary was referring to, but it most likely it meant Asia Times Online. Asia Times Online is a Hong Kong-based online publication that grew out of a former Hong Kong and Bangkok-based daily print newspaper. Asia Times Online claims to cover issues “from an Asian perspective; this distinguishes us from the mainstream English-language media, whose reporting on Asian matters is generally by Westerners, for Westerners.”
The gloves have been off for some time. This should not be a surprise. Expect payback.
The rulers in Beijing have no qualms of making up lies in their propaganda.
In other news, water is wet...
The United States couldn't organize a two car funeral at this point. China's problems are China's problems.
Total cop out blaming others for your own problems.
I know since we do it all the time ourselves!
Blame it on Iran .... no, wait a second, it's Putin ... no wait... it's those Bad Guys over there ....
Few nations are willing to look at the Fugly image in the Mirror.
China's no exception.
Why no color revolutions in SA or Qatar or UAE or Morocco etc? I am sure the folks there crave democracy and would like to escape the stranglehold of the monarchy.
Me thinks the Chinese are onto something.
The US is still the best in the world at blowing stuff up, regime change, fomenting unrest, destabilizing, rubblizing and propaganda. Of course the CIA/State Dept is behind it just like in Ukraine, libya, Syria, Iraq, all of S America, etc. List is too long to type out. As a beneficiary of this diplomacy I am simutaneously ashamed and greatful.
I suppose. Although in other recent threads on these pages, commenters have been marveling at how exquisitely incompetent the Obama regime is-- so much so that one wonders if it is actually serving some sort of foreign agency or power. In which case one might suspect that such agencies or powers might try to create a propaganda smokescreen by blaming the US for doing what it already may have done?
It all remains to be sorted out by future historians...
Americans start stuff that they never manage to finish properly. Every single country called above could serve as proof. So yes, it is a case of crass incompetence...
The real question is - WHAT, if anything, are the Chinese going to do about it?
Selling off a bunch of T-bills and investing the greenbacks in Yuan demoninated Russian sovereign bonds outght to suffice to change a few minds about how to run the world.
So the russkys in turn can substantially pay off their foreign debts, aka disinvest in the West.
Every large state power today, USA, China, Rusia, is quite retarded.
Hong Kong Protest: Another CIA-Coordinated ‘Revolution’ In The Making
Obama is a puppet. As were those before him. Look deeper.
They will figure it out when they all get syphilis for no reason
"...commenters have been marveling at how exquisitely incompetent the Obama regime is..."
how do you separate anti-Obama sentiment for domestic policy reasons to anti-Obama rethoric for foreign affairs reasons?
fact is that Bush Jr. promised the world to become the humblest US President in history. Meanwhile the US has a Congress that seems to have one thing in mind before anything else: "how much is MIC going to profit? buy more ammo, spend more ammo"
I wonder how humble your foreign policies would be if you were Prez, Buckaroo Banzai. I wonder how important it is to you that the US has a muscular approach
you know what one of the biggest, untold scandals of US foreign policy is? plenty of US Ambassadors not being confirmed in Senate. That's a decrease of public and political oversight on what Uncle Sam does in the world. Think about that, and what it says to foreigners
Beijinggovernment rulers know that Chinese citizens are happy with dictatorship and that any desire for freedom is a plot by foreign agitators.
ahahahahahah, good one, the best system of slavery includes happy slaves who want it that way...
The CIA is now focused on Ferguson MO, it time to bring it all home.
The false flag pillars are like domino's.....
Yes, of course the US is incompetent...
There's no way they could have planned 9/11 attacks.
Of course the FAA is incompetent, that's why they couldn't track 9/11 planes.
Of course NORAD is incompetent, that's why they couldn't intercept any 9/11 planes.
Anybody can can lie and stir up shit. Doesn't take a genius.
Whazzup hasbara?
China / Russia,
Want to piss all over the United States? Start supporting all the little secession movements inside the USA. Little things like passports, diplomatic immunity, etc to make the feds lives hell. ;)
Actually, heads would explode in DC if Xi Jinping ever took the time to vist Texas and the governor, and snubbed Obama.
Or, better yet, somehow install a criminal regime in Washington that acts to aggressively destabilize the US from within along racial, cultural, and economic lines, until it breaks apart all by itself...
there's no question about it.
Yes, that's clearly Captain America in the photo...
Opposing Council "Is this true?" Peter Venkman "Yes, this man has no dick."
lol...well that proves it and communists never lie ;-)
Hey, I know. Let's pretend the U.S. and China have conflicting interests so we can rile up the populace and make them forget that we sent their jobs to China in order to increase short-term profit. How much for the island? I'll take it.
No need to pretend.
There is no spoon. China is where the oligarchs build stuff and where they send Western jobs. The West is where there was once a middle class that threatened the Oligarchs. The people who are running the show have no particular allegiance to any country.
I live in Phoenix. Here in Arizona the dumb sons of whores masquerading as government servants sold the State Capitol building in Phoenix and now they have to rent it to occupy it. And STILL they vote Democrat and Republican.
While I kind it knew it was coming, I was still kind of shocked to see Rita dead. Sorry for your loss.
Thanks bro, I appreciate that.
Well said.
You think it is one group of people running the show?
I suggest you consider the alternative, and that entities such as "Russian nationalists" and "Chinese nationalists" exist.
Or feel free to blame it all on a singlular, murky, shadow - lizards, or annunaki, or "the nwo". I would suggest to you that there are more than one group of controllers in the US, let alone internationally, and that not all the people calling the shots are "oligarchs" or eeeeeeeil corporations.
seriously - it's not all some singular global conspiracy, and those who argue same are tasked with getting you to chase ghosts.
Exactly. Anyone who wants to believe in that singularity has dismissed the nature of man and all the lessons history has taught.
It only makes sense that our government is pushing FORWARD toward communism here while trying to subvert it overseas. Whatever is the most arduous and expensive...
LetTheEatRand - Exactly. The housing bubble and resulting consumption masked the outsourcing for a time, plus citizens got cheaper chinese goods for awhile.
Well DUH!
Now please do us a favor and finally break the fucking COMEX would ya?!
We no tawk rike using 'Lainbro Umbrerra' round eye!
I'll always upvote you Ralph.
It's pathetic these kids don't see how they were given freedoms.
I'll give you television
I'll give you eyes of blue
I'll give you a man who wants to rule the world!
My little China Girl
You shouldn't mess with me
I'll ruin everything you are
David Bowie had some serious inside knowledge
Wanglei in Wirjinia
You owe me a $2 made in Hong Kong keyboard
Too much to ask for Hong Kong to be the exception. If War Hoarse (sic) Sen. John McCain shows up then it's on like Donkey Kong in Hong Kong.
US Now Admits it is Funding “Occupy Central” in Hong Kong
Global Research
1 October
Pro-war and interventionist US Senator John McCain had famously taunted both Russia’s President Vladimir Putin and President Xi Jinping’s predecessor in 2011 that the US subversion sweeping the Middle East was soon headed toward Moscow and Beijing. The Atlantic in a 2011 article titled, “The Arab Spring: ‘A Virus That Will Attack Moscow and Beijing’,” would report that:
He [McCain] said, “A year ago, Ben-Ali and Gaddafi were not in power. Assad won’t be in power this time next year. This Arab Spring is a virus that will attack Moscow and Beijing.” McCain then walked off the stage.
Hope that little twit gets Ebola and dies. I am sure he gets the low down on all the intelligence briefings and cant keep his mouth shut, thankfully for us we know from him what its all about. From all his theatrics in the Middle East, this guy gives Biden a serious run for his money.
So much wisdom for such a short ZH presence
Yeah, why not. Our policymakers have made a great sport of shoving the rest of the world around.
Why the hell shouldn't the rest of the world blame us for everything?
GFC, the pond gets more stagnant by the hour.
If I had to bet, I'd bet that this is China's way of throwing aspersions on the protestors, to undermine their support from the public in HK. But time is on China's side; they simply need to wait it out. So something must be going on if China thinks they need to veer from their game plan.
NB, in contrast to Ukraine, where I have no doubt that some NGOs were conduits.
Rather than getting caught up in the evil Chinese tyrants versus the evil CIA operatives, it is probably wiser to try and figurte out what is really going on. This is a good starting point.
The Big Lychee: http://biglychee.com
Indeed Billy. Words well spoken. ;-)
The Ebolas will distract us from all other news for weeks. Mission Accomplished™
It's all theatre. China thinks in terms of centuries. And they already have Hong Kong again.
Even the shit that might be kind of real. That's what makes talking talking about this stuff to my friends so maddening. I know I sound crazy to them. I now share my opinions with the opening line, "I read something interesting the other day... can't remember where exactly...". It is all theater, afterall.
Here's something that'll cook their noodles: ask them to google up "Mandrake Mechanism"
I don't know why anyone should think that this is about nations vs. nations anymore. This is about INTERESTS. It doesn't matter to INTERESTS that nations are run into the ground, or brought down to the "second world", or brought up to the "second world".
Btw, just heard on spotify that rite-aid has immunization specialists, so...
Does not make sense for implication of US roles...After all, it is a worst-kept secret...unless
China is preparing to indict the color revolution leaders as traitors ....punishable by capital punishment?
I would resubscribe to TV for that trial broadcast
"one country, two systems" is how it was supposed to go, PRC... not that anyone trusts the Chinese to honor a fucking contract, even when it's sitting right in front of them with a video looping of them signing the damn thing
so we get the same ol' "round eye USA running pig-dogs are behind every corner" bullshit that plays well to the PLA and the peasants, but we all know what's going on here... China will be dipped in boiling oil before they wait until 2047 for "one country, two systems" to expire
Go watch some ISIS or Russia news on Fox.
Old Chinese saying: "The negotiations don't start until the contract has been signed".
Ah "the diplomat', themselves a not-so-secret propaganda talk shop operating out of Tokyo(after absolutely failing as a commercial publication) with close alignment to washington think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), I'm sure their take on anything Russia/China would be completely unbiased.
very closely connected to the State Department - not the neocons, but the neoliberals are just as stupid, myopic and dangerous.
It's common knowledge. Everyone knows this.
I suppose America was behind the protests that led up to Tienamen Square too.
We must have snuck in, and let the air out of their bicycle tires.
So the West sold out it's manufacturing and production base to the East.
Then Britain handed over Hong Kong. What now? War over Taiwan?
Or perhaps the West just bows and continues their bling economies?
Into the sunset with money printing and empty promises?
Oppressed in China, oppressed in the U.S. & the U.K.
That must be the overall plan.
Hard to see anything else.
'Support is not very compelling'? Just look around the world! And if you ate trying to follow the money - it's all black - not on any books, not approved by Congress, no oversight, and full of bribes and other 'unclean' spending.
They "lost" 2 trillion dollars.
And nobody in the US blinked an eyelid. LOL. WTF?
I just don't get it. Everybody bitches and moans about taxation, about inflation, about corruption, about debts and deficits and when they come right out and say "we lost 2 trillion", yes, they just lost it, All Americans do when they subsequently trot out the star spangled banner and the flag, is jump up out of their seats as if someone inserted a great black cock up their arses and salute The Republic. Where is the outrage? Where are the public hangings?
America is done for. It's people are asleep at the wheel, corrupted and grasping, there will be no turning back, only the vultures will now get their fill of trillions from the corpse of what used to be a shining beacon of liberty for the rest of the world. You should take down Lady Liberty and ship her back to France.
This is dragging on too long for .gov.cn
It will soon be time to rally everyone onto the same side for the good of China
Enter the evil Japanese imperialist antagonists
That way everyone saves face
Dom Irerra used to do a funny riff about Chinese barbers. The skit might be considered offensive today, but pretty much nails the Chinese government's claims about US involvment in any pro democracy activities in HK. I'm sure it can be found on youtube.com.
nawwww.....the US WOULD NEVA DO DAT!!!! lol http://giphy.com/gifs/zx1BTmv4P8JO
Not the Diplomat again...
Waiting for Biden/Kerry/Victoria Fcuk Nuland etc to let the cat out of the Bag.
Or of course an NSA leaked document
Egzackery! I smell a fresh batch of Vickies Poison Fortune Cookies coming out of the oven now!
Get em while their hot.
"I would have gotten an A+ on that biochem exam...if it only were not for my dog bugging me to pet him instead of studying ...."
Everyone's got to blame someone else these days whther they are bankers, gubmints or children. Israel blames Palestinains, Turks blame the Kurds, Texans blame the Okies, Barry blames Putin, .... and don't forget Global Warming as the root cause for evrything from the stawk market drops to the plung ein house prices ....
For goodness sakes!
It's so NOW !
Soros != US
You mean Washington!= US.
Asia Times Online = http://www.atimes.com/mediakit/aboutus.html
China should deal with it like a true democracy, just go around with a sound cannon truck saying "This is an illegal assembly, clear the street immediately", and start arresting people, simple.
I don't believe that the USA actually fomented the Hong Kong protests, but now that they have kicked off on their own I wouldn't doubt that a few operatives in our intelligence community are trying to seize this opportunity to "lead from behind," under the rubric of never letting a crisis go to waste. Even if that isn't the case, merely saying so is a good way for the Chinese government to delegitimize the protestors, since nationalist sentiment is the Old Faithful of Chinese political hot-buttons.
And by the way, what kind of name is Zachary Zack? I can't decide if this guy was named by Dr. Seuss or after the first draft of a Coasters tune.
Zachary Zack broke his back repeling this ghastly Chinese attack.
If you click on the link, Zachary Zack, Zack is really Zachary Keck. And who is Zachary Keck?
As AlaricBalth wrote recently on ZH, “Young Zachary is still quite impressionable and is clearly trying to fast track himself into the ranks of the foreign policy elite. The only way to achieve his goals is to ingratiate himself to the powers that be, and just maybe he will receive a coveted nomination to CFR.”
Not only did Zachary Keck intern at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS), he interned "in the U.S. Congress where he worked on defense issues."
http://thediplomat.com/authors/zachary-keck/
CNAS is the left-wing branch of the right-wing warmongering neocons. It exists to stamp out individual thinking, “the gravest sin in the Communist pantheon,” in tandem with the neocon collectivist propaganda to draw the US into “endless military intervention in the Middle East, with the only differences being tactical.”
Justin Raimondo, in a hard hitting May 2009 column, “The New Neocons,” uncovers the dark roots of the CNAS that underlie Zeck’s “training ground.” Writes Raimondo:
“These ‘national security Democrats,’ as they defensively called themselves… replicated the neocon strategy, first, with a think-tank: the Center for a New American Security, founded in 2007 and funded, as the Wall Street Journal reports, by 'foundations such as the Rockefeller Brothers Fund,' as well as 'some government money to study particular issues'…
“Ready with their policy prescriptions when the Obamaites were swept into power, CNAS personnel flooded into the new administration (John Podesta, head of the Obama transition team, is on the CNAS board [and is now Obama's Executive Order Czar]).
“Groups like CNAS are financed to the hilt by big corporate interests and the politically connected plutocrats who profit from war and our foreign policy of global intervention. Their intellectual handmaidens in the growing constellation of left-neocon Washington outfits are nothing but the latest window-dressing for the same warmongering, corporatist agenda.”
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2009/05/12/the-new-neocons/
Zeck also writes a monthly column for The National Interest, which features such articles as Why Palestine Must Recognize Israel as a Jewish State by Chuck Freilich, a former Deputy National Security Advisor in Israel and now a Senior Fellow at Harvard's Kennedy school).
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/why-palestine-must-recognize-isra...
But then again as Zachary Keck states, perhaps as a disclaimer: “I was raised both Catholic and Jewish and I turned out quite well.... especially in the month of December.”
https://twitter.com/ZacharyKeck/status/375654812781514753
You can't be both Catholic and Jewish even if it sounds warm and fuzzy.
You also can't read the Old and New Testament and think it references the same ethics, metaphysics, or "g0d."
Larry Ellison is lol and he sure isnt warm and fuzzy.
So, there's more than one god?
Lots of 'em. And they don't get along.
Yeah the Hong Kong students can rely on getting the same support the Iranian students got.
(none at all from Barry)
The People’s Daily “notes that the Associated Press and Wall Street Journal had used the term ‘Umbrella Revolution’ in their Hong Kong coverage. Neither organization is affiliated with the U.S. government.” – Zachary Zack
I beg to differ. In general, Western media propaganda shills serve as a Ministry for Government Lies.
The international-banker-controlled media that owns 96% of the World’s Media and frames all the debates is the Pied Piper leading America and the world into international conflagration.
Succinctly, as Paul Craig Robert puts it: “The Western media is a plague upon humanity.
“The same group in Washington and the same Western ‘media’ are telling the same kind of lies that were used to justify Washington’s wars in Iraq (weapons of mass destruction), Afghanistan (Taliban equals al Qaeda), Syria (use of chemical weapons), Libya (an assortment of ridiculous charges [including the CIA lie that Gaddafi had built a poison gas factory]) and the ongoing U.S. military murders in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.”
And might I include the blatant and ongoing Western media lie to justify the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people and Yat's Kiev junta's genocide of eastern Ukrainians.
“Our republic and its press will rise and fall together.” –Joseph Pulitzer
There is no reason to believe one socialist more than another. Obama is a proven liar and the Chinese "elite" is known to have killed millions of people. What would make the difference? Is it better to get ruled by Obama and his gang or another gang ? What should be the advantage for Hong Kong not to be ruled by China any more? Instead one imagine, it would be US country 52. I guess Obama would like that very much....
The British in this instance are assholes. They denied the Hong Kong people anymeasure of self determination while they were in control but when they were finally packing up and going they decided it was time for talk about democracy to begin.
Obama doesn't give a shit, he's a teleprompter puppet.
O Zachary Zack
Compelling, Sir. What does compelling have to do with it?
China's tats are not obliged to be any more compelling than America's tits.
What the American deep state doesn't understand is that other intelligence agencies can pull of false flags, and from Texas to Hawaii to Vermont, there are plenty of people who think Washington DC is now essentially a corporate-controlled occupying globalist power.
QUOTE:"there are plenty of people who think Washington DC is now essentially a corporate-controlled occupying globalist power."
And they would be right!
Now, wouldn't it be supremely ironic if China started funding US constitutionalists?
If there is internal strife in a country, you can bet that the NED is hiding under one of their rocks.
What about USAID, why aren't the chinese eligible for USAID ? USAID must have available resources since Putin kicked them the F out of Russia.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ca/2014/10/us-style-democracy-no-different...
US-style "Democracy" No Different than Beijing's VersionBy Tony Cartalucci, October 7, 2014
My opinion is that NONE of the current kinds of politics has a hope in hell of doing anything genuinely constructive, because there is virtually nobody who wants to face the basic facts that the days of exponential growth based on being able to strip-mine a FRESH planet's natural resources, and certainly NOT the ruling classes, nor most of the mainstream morons and reactionary revolutionaries, who ALL want to continue to operate on the basis of evil deliberate ignorance towards the real limits of the natural environment.
THE essential problem that Hong Kong faces is an extremely concentrated version of the problem that the entire human species faces. We have been able to build a civilization on the basis of strip-mining a FRESH planet, in ways which were based on the people who were the best at being dishonest and backing that up with violence being able to bulldoze and steamroller over all opposition, due to the short-term benefits obtained from being able to successfully continue to strip-mine the planet. The entire system is built on enforced frauds, operated by backing up lies with violence, which simultaneously is able to maintain attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards the longer term consequences of high-grading ourselves to hell, by turning all the best natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, which process was "paid" for with "money" made out of nothing as debts. Through those processes, the past was able to destroy the future, while asserting that was a good thing.
Hong Kong, like China in general, has an utterly unsustainable economy, which are merely relatively extreme forms of what has happened everywhere else. Human civilizations developed through the history of warfare, such that systems of organized lies operating robberies were advanced which could do what they did because nobody else could stop them. Human civilizations have maximized their short-term achievements. However, because being able to do that was based on enforced frauds, which were short-term successes, based on being able to deliberately ignore the longer term consequences, there was never any rational political debates, but only the triumphs of the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories.
China was forced by the temporary military superiority of the Western world's science and technology to imitate and assimilate those things. China has excelled at that, in the senses of becoming much worse than the Western world: making far more "money" out of nothing to "pay" for economic development which even more so deliberately ignored the natural environment. What is happening in Hong Kong is merely another manifestation of the dominant organized crime gangs scrabbling with each other, while the basic problems will get deliberately ignored. The protestors tend to be demanding the achievement of impossible ideals, which can never actually exist in the real world, while there are level after level of covert agendas attempting to channel those impossible asperations into various other paths, for various other ulterior motives.
The deeper problems have always been the same throughout human history. The chronic political problems inherent in the nature of human life have been resolved in the most expedient ways by the people who were the best at being dishonest, and backing that up with violence, controlling what civilizations actually did. China had thousands of years of that history, which, for a while, stabilized with a village system that made and maintained relatively sustainable ecologies, despite those being almost totally dominated by human activities. However, China was forced to adopt the Western methods, such as the physical steam engines, and the political debt engines. China has now gone through those industrial revolutions, in ways where "money" made out of nothing as debts "pays" for strip-mining the planet, turning natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, in ways where there are virtually no sane human, industrial or natural ecologies, because the Western systems that China was forced to assimilate were advanced systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, through which social successes were achieved by the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, which were willing and able to operate with the maximum evil deliberate ignorance towards everything else than the short-term imperatives.
Hong Kong, like China, like the whole world, is rushing through industrial revolutions driven by lies backed by violence, which therefore are able to deliberately ignore everything else. There are no practical political ways to prevent that from happening. Those who might want to protest what is going wrong will get their protests high-jacked by those who are working towards high-grading everything to hell even more so, even faster.
It seems to me to be a cliche that the Western banksters are continuing to try to control the whole world, while some places which they were previously able to relatively easily kick the shit out of, like China, (and Russia, etc.) have been forced to learn a thing or two, and so, have adapted by adopting the physical and social methods that they have. Overall, that means is that the previously most criminally insane systems, which were able to conquer other systems, are now being resisted more effectively by more equally criminally insane systems, that have learned how to perform the same sorts of tricks.
I REPEAT:
THE BASIC PROBLEMS WILL SURELY NOT BE ADDRESSED, BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHED SYSTEMS ARE THOROUGHLY BASED ON PEOPLE BEING RELATIVELY SUCCESSFUL BY BEING DISHONEST AND BACKING THAT UP WITH VIOLENCE, AND SO, PROTESTS AGAINST THAT END UP BEING HIGH-JACKED TO ALSO BECOME THAT TOO!
Science and technology that are trillions of times more powerful are being channeled through social pyramid systems based on backing up lies with violence, wherein those who are the best at doing that in the short-term prevail, while nothing else matters, because nothing else can stop those imperatives from playing through. The great paradoxes of human civilizations keep on getting amplified astronomically BIGGER and BIGGER! The basic facts regarding how natural selection pressures drove human cultures of artificial selection are deliberately denied as much as possible by almost everyone, because all previous social successes were proportionately based on being better at dishonesty and violence.
The situation in Hong Kong is another intense manifestation of those processes playing through. There is practically nobody who will address the deeper issues, especially since that would not be advantageous in the short-term. Whatever merits ancient Chinese civilization may have had, those are irrelevant and useless now, the same as how all the mainstream Western cultural traditions have become dangerously obsolete. The industrial revolutions have changing everything more than most human beings are currently able and willing to understand.
The industrial revolutions theoretically demand the development of industrial ecologies, which should evolve to be integrated within the human and natural ecologies. However, since REAL human ecology was developed through the history of warfare, whose successes were based on being the best at backing up deceits with destruction, and that became the foundation for political economy to be based on enforced frauds, there are practically no ways for human beings to discuss nor resolve their problems in any ways which are remotely close to being relatively rational.
Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, every attempt to foment a political protest these days ends up being high-jacked to hell, inside of the overall ways that the trends are to high-grade ourselves to hell. The foolish dialectics between impossible ideals, versus deceptions, are matching bookends of the same political problems. Human civilizations have been dominated by systems of lies backed by violence so much, for so long, that those are almost totally taken for granted by almost everyone. Meanwhile, the genuine progress in science and technologies, enabling the industrial revolutions, is itself NOT being perceived scientifically, as issues of evolutionary ecologies, because the crucial core of that, namely human ecology, is based on death controls done by the maximum possible deceits, in order to sustain debt controls done through the maximum possible frauds.
China has adapted to being bulldozed by the Western advances into industrial revolutions, which had their physical steam engines and debt engines start at about the same time, a few Centuries ago. China has adapted by adopting those techniques, in ways whereby they are now surpassing Western countries in becoming even more criminally insane. Meanwhile, the Western globalized forces are attempting to try to consolidate a global hegemony, by continuing to undermine any possible effective opposition emerging in countries such as China (and Russia, etc.) ... However, ALL of that is merely more of the overall runaway criminal insanities of human civilizations, which paradoxically have developed more science and technology about everything else than themselves, because those who rule the established systems do so through the means of continuing to back up lies with violence, supporting their systems of enforced frauds, while practically all of their opposition is just as full of that kind of bullshit as the established systems always were.
Theoretically, the development of the industrial revolutions makes it imperative for human civilization to undergo profound paradigm shifts, which amount to a quantum leap from the current Neolithic styles of civilization to some kinds of Translithic civilizations. However, the crux of that problem is that it must have at its core new death controls, which is extremely problematic since the established murder systems operate through the maximum possible deceits, while the controlled opposition to those also stay within the same frame of reference of the maximum possible deceits regarding the crucial issues of the death controlling murder systems, which back up the debt controlling monetary systems.
I REPEAT: The industrial revolutions started with the steam engines, and the debt engines to pay for more steam engines, in runaway feedback loops. However, pretty well all of that was done through the amplification of the social successes of the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories. The development of the steam engines and debt engines has been copied and increased within the Chinese context. Chinese civilization has jumped the rails, just like Western civilization has, to a degree that almost nobody recognizes, nor wants to recognize.
The basic concepts expressed through the entropy equations in thermodynamics and information theory, which enabled the development of steam engines and debt engines, have runaway away to become the threat of the force of atomic bombs backing up globalized electronic frauds. However, the biggest bullies' bullshit world view preserved itself through those developments by having an arbitrary minus sign inserted into those entropy equations, in order to reverse the meaning of everything being done.
I would doubt that even one protester in a million has a clue what I am talking about. Instead, the protesters tend to be motivated by desperation, to end up being led through even more entangled tunnels of almost infinite deceits. These days it is totally typical for the ways that the opposition is controlled to become so blatant that that becomes more obvious. However, so far, that has not made any significant difference. There are way, way, too few people who are able and willing to go through the necessary intellectual scientific revolutions, so that their protests regarding runaway systems of electronic frauds, backed by the force of atomic weapons, begins to even remotely get close to making sufficient sense.
Radical, your take on what is going on is most likely spot on, but could you please keep it short? We get the point. Thanks.
Time for the US to encourage a colour revolution in North Korea or is that a bit too much for them.
As for Qatar, SA and Morroco, I think the people know how immediately brutal the government reaction would be and are not risking it for the time being.
Reason stands behind people who protest against elite regime.
People of Hong Kong wants to be able to choose their candidates to vote on, not those who are chosen by China elite. That's reasonable - and anyone could stand behind that idea.
Mean time in Russia, thousands of mothers recieve info about their dead suns in army during "training".
http://youtu.be/LHE_2NTHGvo
Those poor russian soldiers are baried like dogs with no honor. Hiden from family and nation.
Different situation with Ukranian soldiers who are honored as heros.
http://youtu.be/tMjl1euADEg
actually 99% don't want any of this DC Fascist sponsored bullshit. Everyday there is more coverage of regular citizen's getting pissed and dismantling illegal baracades erected by these traitors.!
1.) What is "DC Fascist sponsored bullshit"?
2.) Name source of data
Victoria Nuland. Now go fock of with your endless propaganda.
"Different situation with Ukranian soldiers who are honored as heros."
Last I heard, thousands were deserting because they had not been paid, had no food supplies and no ammunition left. Poroshenko had left them to fight, or die when their ammo ran out.
Mean time large numbers of people in East Ukraine have had their homes bombed by that nasty fascist Poroshenko. And let's not forget that his people shot down MH-17 with 298 innocent people on board and tried to blame it on Russia. All funded by Washington. Mean time, Washington interferes in Hong Kong domestic politics to create yet another revolution.
Nice people you hang out with.
1.) Putin regime puppet - Viktor Yanukovych with his family mafia - stolen countries wealth ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRTp88CanVA ). that is why Ukraine army lack many things. But no, they are no in such desperate conditions as you fantasy.
2.) It's Putin regime goons that are in Ukraine attacking Ukranians - citizens and army. Here you can see Russian made tanks T-72B1 that are only in Russian army, with so called "seperatist" flags driving in city streets. Either it's Russia or Ukraine - both scenarious it prooves that Putin regime is attacking Ukranians using this banner of "seperatists". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d7m_Ua4wFo
3.) And in this Putin regime propoganda channel material failure http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv39Lc5oSVs you can see & hear two things:
3.1.) It's "separatists" who are shooting to Ukraine army from civilian houses and than run away from them - knowing that they are provoking reply fire and in that way puting civilians under danger.
3.2.) As you can hear - they are saying that Ukraine army is shooting GRAD when actually you can hear GRAD but no explosions, that means that actually it's separatists who are shooting GRAD and not Ukraine army. So here you go - these are the ones who are bombarding houses.
So my question to you - have you visited planet Earth lately?
How much are you being paid to post YouTube fascist propaganda on Zerohedge?
At least if you used the right posting handle "Goebbels" we'd know what was what.
You are a troll by definition because you use logical fallacies not arguments and evidence as I did.
A loaded question or complex question fallacy is a question which contains a controversial or unjustified assumption (e.g., a presumption of guilt)
A common way out of this argument is not to answer the question (e.g. with a simple 'yes' or 'no'), but to challenge the assumption behind the question. To use an earlier example, a good response to the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" would be "I have never beaten my wife".[5] This removes the ambiguity of the expected response, therefore nullifying the tactic. However, the askers of said questions have learned to get around this tactic by accusing the one who answers of dodging the question. A rhetorical question such as "Then please explain, how could I possibly have beaten a wife that I've never had?" can be an effective antidote to this further tactic, placing the burden on the deceptive questioner either to expose their tactic or stop the line of inquiry. In many cases a short answer is important. I neither did nor do I now makes a good example on how to answer the question without letting the asker interrupt and misshape the response.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
Me. A troll? Nah.
btw: that green clamp avatar appears to have come off your neck dear fellow. Did the screws fall out?
lol.
If you look like a troll, if you act like a troll, if you write like a troll - you must be a troll.
And no troll has ever admited his a troll, you are no exception. But still already it's proven you are a troll by definition.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/01/us-government-funding-hong-ko...
Yes, covered by others too.
Anymore when I hear the word 'democracy' I feel like throwing up.
” For the United States, the commentary claims, a “‘democratic’ country is one that conducts its affairs in line with American interests.”
Should be obvious to any partially informed person with a semi working brain by now.
The US reminds me of my psychopath brotherinlaw--who has papers to prove it. Everytime the heat is on---shit seems to turn for the worse for everyone around him. Of course we eventually put a stop to it but it was miserable for some time.
So Louisa Greve = HK Nudelman?
Americans should be proud of Joshua Wong: the greatest leader of democracy in the 21st. Century, albeit, in communist China.
Americans ask “what can we do? We are helpless victims.” Well, teenager Joshua Wong will show you WHAT to do; he and his 120,000 academic friends would make our forefathers proud in the stratagem of non-violent protest which was successfully demonstrated without provocateur disruptions of violence during Occupy Hong Kong. Compare that with the American animal riot, looting and violence during the Ferguson riot demonstration.
Why not do an episode on Joshua Wong? The teenager is not a CIA operative or a dupe of the Baptist Church; he is a dynamic activist inspired by democracy.
You know, democracy, that most Americans take for granted but was fought for and won by our forefathers and is now destroyed by fascist in government today.
Asia Times, by the way, is far more critical of Washington than they are of the Chinese Communist. Pepe Escobar is an Asia Times correspondent that has been noticeable critical of Washington’s shenanigans.
farkers a moron and totally brain dead period.
If a moron is someone that can’t even string a few words together to form a simple sentence that is intelligible; you are the moron. Ha. Ha.
“farkers” is not even a word in the dictionary, moron, and means nothing. Ha. Ha.
hahaha - not to a dickwhat like you a-hole. For you dumb arse, farker gets through foul language filters, thus deliberately spelt with a "A" you village hermit!!! DICK...
The conspiracy theorists and tin-foil-hat brigade which likes to roam Zero Hedge should not become props and useful idiots to spread the crazy ideas of communists and tyrants.
yes, the CIA and NSA have a lot of power, but they don't control every single movement and organization on Earth.
ok moron get back into your cave!
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/01/us-government-funding-hong-ko...
From an insiders insider!
"according to media reports"----now Beijing is copycatting Obama's most authoritative news source!
Zachary Disease. (Adjective)
When u head look zachary rike u arse.