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Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive For Ebola In First Person-To-Person Transmission On US Soil
And then there was #2. A few hours ago, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, announced that a health care worker who cared for dying Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, has tested positive for the virus after a preliminary test, officials said early Sunday. If confirmed, it would be the first known person-to-person transmission of the disease in the United States. The name of the patients is currently unknown, what is known however, is that the worker was "considered to be at low risk for contracting the virus" and the he or she was wearing full protective gear when treating Duncan, suggesting - yet again - that there is a transmission mechanism which is not accounted for under conventional protocol.
Confirmatory testing of the second case on U.S. soil will be conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, the statement from the Texas Department of State Health Services said.
The worker reported a fever late Friday and was isolated and referred for testing. "We knew a second case could be a reality, and we've been preparing for this possibility," said Dr. David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services. "We are broadening our team in Dallas and working with extreme diligence to prevent further spread."
Alas, until Friday night, said spread was once again completely uncontained if said worker was able to interact with countless others, who will become symptomatic only after they in turn have spread the disease to an unknown number of their own friends, acquaintances and co-workers.
The statement added that people who had contact with the health care worker after symptoms emerged "will be monitored based on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus."
This announcement came hours after New York's JFK Airport began an Ebola screening program, taking the temperatures of passengers arriving from three West African Countries.
The full statement from the Texas Department of State Health Services.
Texas Patient Tests Positive for Ebola
A health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital who provided care for the Ebola patient hospitalized there has tested positive for Ebola in a preliminary test at the state public health laboratory in Austin. Confirmatory testing will be conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.
The health care worker reported a low grade fever Friday night and was isolated and referred for testing. The preliminary ?test result was received late Saturday.
"We knew a second case could be a reality, and we've been preparing for this possibility," said Dr. David Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services. "We are broadening our team in Dallas and working with extreme diligence to prevent further spread."
Health officials have interviewed the patient and are identifying any contacts or potential exposures. People who had contact with the health care worker after symptoms emerged will be monitored based on the nature of their interactions and the potential they were exposed to the virus.
Ebola is spread through direct contact with bodily fluids of a sick person or exposure to contaminated objects such as needles. People are not contagious before symptoms such as fever develop.
Here is Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins, Mayor Mike Rawlings and Dr. Daniel Varga held a news conference Sunday morning to inform the public that a health care worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas test positive for the Ebola virus after coming in close contact with Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan.
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I guarantee we have this contained.
Frieden the Apparatchic
Watch out for the period immediately after the elections, if they are held. Assuming normal and not grotesque vote fraud the Dims will have their asses handed to them. Therefore, Barry and his band of merry commies will only have a few weeks to put the final bricks in their police state utopia. This bio-attack and financial collapse will help speed up the implementation of the prison planet.
Uh...... won't the Repub's do the same damn thing????????
Enough of this red-blue thing. They're ALL traitors.
Bush DID do the same thing, with the Patriot Act etc. But we are here and now. Barry will be the one to carry the ball over the line for Team Lucifer.
I admire your optimism but his track record of utter failure says he'll fuck up this effort too.
Assumiung his utter failure has been unintentional.
That may not be a solid assumption.
I'm a, where've you been?
Cautiously reading and keeping up.
I don't have the brain power to compete with some of the folks on here. What's the old saying..... better to be thought a fool.....
They may not DO the same thing, but they won't stop it either.
Same difference I guess.
Think about it, will the voting machines need to be disinfected after each use? Will gloves be passed out to each voter?
They'll give us saran wrap to cover our orafices with.
To repeat another post from the other day:
CDC: "We must act quickly to contain the Ebola virus. Quick, let's board the patients on flights all over the world, so doctors in different countries will be able to study the virus, in order to come up with an effective cure".
1 week later...
CDC: "Ebola is spreading, but we're not sure why".
1 year later...
TV News: "The CDC has announced today, that an Ebola vaccine has been developed by (Insert Big Pharma Company of Choice), and the government has purchased $800,000,000 worth of the vaccines to be distributed"...
3 months after that...
Late-night TV commercial: "Have you or a loved-one been injured by taking Ebolavax? You may be entitled to a large cash reward if you experienced the following symptoms after receiving the Ebolavax: Gynecomastia, rectal bleeding, brain bleed, or liver failure. Call the law offices of (TV lawyer); time is running out, so don't delay".
Weird... So many people not voting...
Just assign some volunteers in contested districts to work the voting booths.... While coughing a lot, and wearing an African t-shirt.
:/
We'll have Nov. elections.... 2016 elections? Well, that depends on how well we keep ebola in Africa....
There will be a lot of cases stopped from spreading.... so, even though the spreading and infection rate are quite high, if contact tracing is done for a lot of cases, it can be contained in those cases somewhat....... that adds to the time it will take to take off...... In some countries... esp. the high density 3rd world ones... their risk adds to our risk as long as they can get here.
I think it's safe to say that the rate in W. Africa won't happen here UNLESS it's spreading outside our ability to contact trace.... and that's the thing..... I think we're ok for a while. I'll freak when we're seeing it spread south of the U.S.... at that point, if we don't have armed troops deployed on every border then we're committing national suicide....
Of course, long before that would happen, our economy and, in fact, the entire world economy will have collapsed.
Think back to Katrina. Cops walking off the job, citizens looting and shooting at first responders, doctors and nurses euthanizing patients in hospitals. Things can go bad quickly based on recent experience.
One can NEVER rule out the panic factor.... That will get us before the virus would do us in.
Let us hope that this is the only guy infected. If somebody got it from him, or if another guy connected with Duncan gets it, and they pass it onto another person, I will be avoiding crowds and will be ready for a big-time bug-out. It's bug-in, then bug-out. At least with this shit, I've got time to load a trailer before leaving, unlike with nuclear war or some other bullshit. I'm also glad I know a few remote areas that most people would not think of even looking for a bug-out location.
If you look at pandemics throughout history, it's actually kind of surprising that we haven't seen one yet. 7+ billion people and rapid transport means that there is a lot of opportunity for bugs to turn into something nasty and spread. OTOH, the further they spread, the more likely they are to become less lethal. That can take a few years though. If you want to look at it in a glass half full kind of way, figure that the people who would survive such an event will generally be clever and used to the prospect of death, and there will be a lot of opportunity that makes today's oligarchs tomorrows irrelevant fuckwads.
Since transmission is 1:2 I bet the other one will soon be announced. How's that family they quarantined doing? Did he spred it to the woman he was going to marry, any of those children who lived with her, the niece who took him to the hospital the first time, the persons who were in the ER waiting room with him, the healthcare workers who attended him on that trip? I'll bet the ER doc who saw him on the visit is concerned.
We should know a lot more in about a week. By then, just the math of the bell curve makes it highly likely we would see atleast one of Duncan's close contacts become sick. I think the mean incubation period was around 10 days but the median was around 8 days on previous Zaire outbreaks? I think the 95% confidence interval is 2-21 day incubation. That gives us an idea of what the curve looks like anyway. So sure, some of these people might not show symptoms for 3 weeks, but others would likely show sooner, much sooner.
Don't Ebola me, bro!
I think the really big uknown right now is the asymptomatic transmission and of those who are at a very early stage of showing symptoms. We do know with relative certainty that late stage Ebola carriers are highly contagious. We don't really know yet how contagious someone would be in the scenario you are describing. If the person (s) have ebola and are in the extreme early onset of symptoms, say a light fever but no vomit, how at risk are they to transmit via casual contact with surfaces and what is the risk of aerosolization during the early stages? Clearly, the answer isn't zero, but it also won't be 100%.
Point taken, though it illustrates a glaring problem: we don't know. All of our data is based on small outbreaks with very limited human-human tansmission. It is clear at this point that our so-called protocols, procedures and policies are wanting - ebola has managed to land on every continent except Antartica in the last month. Regardless of how it got there, there it is. Given what is happening in Dallas, the nature of this virus, and the risk it represents to our civilization (so-called, I admit), I'm going to go so far as to say Frieden is out of his mind and derelict in his duty not to demand an end to commercial flights out of affected areas in West Africa. Morbid hilarity - the authorities in 1480 had a better grip on dealing with pandemics than we do.
Stacking people in rooms at airports waiting for an interview with some guy is perhaps the most ill-conceived strategem in the history of our race.
.......and we are expected to take these accounts at face value after the Warren Commission Report, OK City, Waco, 9/11 Sandy Hook, Boston bombing? I could go on, but you get the point.....
Double-posted - sorry.
has anyone asked by whom and where the protective gear is made? does it actually work? was the purchasing agents job really to save money and bought the cheapest gear? just asking
Hopefully the healthcare staff was in a self-imposed quarantine while treating Duncan, or the CDC had the presence of mind to have them catalog their interactions for follow-up in the event that one of them became ill.
I am totally ignorant with regard to 'proper' protocol when dealing with an extremely infectious disease. But there seems to be such a high level of incompetence revolving around this 'outbreak' that my mind immediately becomes suspicious.
Quarantine the niggers.
Quarantine you Masters of the Universe off the planet.
Troll. All racist (and race baiting) comments on ZH are pointless. ZH readers are much too sophisticated to fall for it. Right guys? Go back to your Yahoo Comments amature..
I lol'ed
Why would that make any difference ? Who qualifies for Quarantine ? What specific shade of skin color ? Hair color ? Behavior ? Once these people are in camps whats to stop us from putting you in a camp as well ? Racist don't play well with others ! Liberty must be protected for all or no one is safe from our Government
the NWO eugenicists of the 20th century never left control of the gov't.
open borders, planned parenthood, mass abortions, medical/viral/radiation testing on citizens for 40 years, population reduction needed because of global warming....look around. the police state has been erected all around you. now they only need a trigger for lock down. ebola, war and economic collapse all fit the bill.
def: nigger:// stupid person Dvet, you qualify for two all expense paid weeks in Sierra Leone. Free tickets for all your buddies, too.
Here's a link to the CDC protocol for treating Ebola infected patients.
It is quite complicated and it would be easy to breach if not extensively monitored.
For example, I doubt that a regular nurse would have been subject to the NIOSH mask fit testing routine.
If things like the NIOSH fit testing is key, then it's airborne.
It's not incompetence by the medical people in the trenches because they don't want to die either. It's happening way too much to them. This thing is spread very, very easily and everybody is being lied to.
CDC is trying to calm everybody down by treating this like AIDS. It's not like AIDS. This thing is spread much more easily with casual contact.
Agreed. Of course Duncan visited the hospital once and was sent home, back to his sister and her 4 kids. She of course is one of the 'I don't care' and/or 'uneducated about da ebola' types, and she finds it 'ok' to send her kids to school whil e Uncle Duncan continues to ripen...
The power washer guys,,,,no PPE. The Sheriff Dept,,,no PPE personal protective equipment) the Judge that came for the sisters family who stood right there on TV and loaded up the sister and fam into his County SUV,,,no PPE. Of course, all this first set of infectors may or may not have come into contact with other humans in the next few days, in Dallas, and may or may not be spreading the virus.
I am considering that TSIATHTFan, and will go to Phase II of my Ops.
But make one wiseass crack on an airplane and here come the blue suited Keystones to haul you away....
Give it a few more days. If some of them dont start showing symptoms, that would give us some hope that during the earlier stages of symptoms it is not as easily transmitted as we all fear.
Right, the rest of the world will close it's borders to the infected Americans.
If Ebola is so difficult to catch and medical staff are taking all precautions, how could this happen? We are being lied to again and again. Ad Infinitum.
OUR GOVERN MENT NEVER LIES
Spumoni originally Posted this on the CDC thread kind of low in the cue, I think it deserves some attention so I am posting it here. We shall see where it lands.
We have approximately 160 passengers arriving via air travel from West Africa in the US each day (media reports, NPR and others). Presumably, these persons are coming via Frankfort, Bonn, London, Paris and Brazil, all of which have flights connecting directly to West Africa.
The current 'wisdom' is to screen incoming passengers for fever, and to interview those who have one with a quarantine officer, who then makes a determination as to their status. JFK airport began this procedure yesterday (11 October).
1. No airports are equipped with quarantine facilities for humans, certainly not where biological pathogens are involved.
2. Passengers with a fever are directed, presumably, to a room where they wait for their interview with the q-officer. Since the vast majority of travelers with a fever do NOT have ebola, the worst thing there is that they infect one another with the flu or whatever else they are carrying. HOWEVER, let's assume that the room, at some point, contains one passenger who is carrying ebola. They cough, sneeze, or otherwise expose everyone else in that room to ebola.
3. Because the rest of the people in the room did not originate their travel in West Africa, they are then released to continue their travels. Because they are now potential carriers themselves, they go about exposing everyone else they come into contact with to the disease.
4. 8-21 days later we begin to see cases 'mysteriously' pop up all over the place, and the gig is up.
It is quite clear to me, and to my friends at Homeland Security, that the current plans for dealing with this epidemic are worse than woefully inadequate. They are so ill-conceived as to be criminally negligent at best. The fact is that we have zero plan for dealing with this, and are clearly ignoring the advice of both history and what we have learned so far from experiences in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.
In the wake of the bubonic plague in Europe, Asia and Indochina during the years from 1300-1600, there was no viable economy in many places (everyone in many cities was dead), and protocols were put in place which did in fact safeguard the cities and ports where commerce and travel were able to continue.
1. No ship was allowed to come to the quay until it had been searched and its crew examined for signs of 'the pox.'
2. There was, and is, in every port, a holding area used for ALL incoming traffic.
3. Any ship showing signs of the Plague had the choice of leaving or being burned at anchor in the harbor (a bit draconian for today's tender mercies, but you get the point.) NO crew were allowed to disembark. In this way, many ports were able to remain operational and plague-free.
At the end of the day, shutting commercial transportation from West Africa remains the simplest way to begin getting this pandemic under control. At the current rate of expansion, there will be in excess of 8 million cases in a year's time (8000 cases currently doubling every three weeks). Assuming that the rate of West African travelers arriving in the US remains constant at 160 a day (58,400 people per year), and a 1% infection rate, we absorb 584 cases in a year's time, at a variety of places, and from people with a variety of contacts. If 584 people are waiting in rooms at airports, each containing 25 people waiting for their interviews with the q-officer, we are then releasing 14,600 potentially infected people (40 people/day) annually into the interiors of our cities and nation. After that, you can just forget about containment. If the mortality rate stays at 50%, we're talking 185 million corpses in three years, just here. All because some pack of Wall St.-owned idiot politicians didn't want to upset the economy.
In short, the protocols our government has begun using at a handful of airports only do one thing - they absolutely guarantee that we will have a crisis of unprecedented proportions, for which we are not prepared. Don't you think maybe the press corps ought to be raising a bit of stink?
And by all means, allow in flights from Africa, because- it's somehow better than not. Even if the logic is tortured, who are you going to believe, the CDC or basic common sense?
Bureaucrats & politicians always know best...lol.
Here, get a load of this, ripped from the actual webpage of the "centrally planned community" where the infamous Liberian ebola virus transporter was visiting:
"Welcome to Vickery Meadow, a neighborhood that families call home! The community of Vickery Meadow is supported by the Vickery Meadow Management Corporation (VMMC), a 501(c )(3) non-profit organization that oversees the Vickery Meadow Improvement District (VMID). The VMID organization was formed in 1993 to enhance the quality of life for Vickery Meadow residents, and thereby stabilize the values of real property and real property improvements within the District. VMID, in collaboration with residents and area stakeholders, remains committed to making Vickery Meadow a “healthy community”.
http://home.vickerymeadow.org/home
Just gives you that warm & fuzzy feeling all over don't it? ;-)
Seriously. "Final Solution." It has begun.
I have all the confidence in the world that no matter what their plan is...they can screw it up and make it a 1,000 times worse...lol.
Here is a product from a Company that is run by an incompetent CEO that actually might work to remove Ebola virus from the blood not the tissue though.
http://www.aethlonmedical.com/products/hemopurifier.htm
but our Healthcare system is so screwed up I doubt we will see its use if even experimental.
I think the CDC is following basic common cents.....as in dollars and cents. At this point all decisions are political/economic decisions first and health second. Maybe second.
Exactly.
Senator Blowhard to inept head of CDC lackey Tom Frieden: "I've got an idea on how to triple your budget!"
99 times out of 100 if you do the opposite of what this administration wants you'll be on the right track. It is sickening to see the amount of incompetence.
"Incompetence" implies that you'll actually be right 50 percent of the time due to random chance.
When someone is this consistently wrong, it's deliberate.
Not necessariliy.
If I am taking a True/False Exam then it may be the case.
If I am taking a Multiple Choice Exam with 'n' possible answers per question then, by random choice, I have the odds of 100/n percent of being correct with answers randomly chosen.
Yes we have a clown in the White House. I agree. But the World is not as Black and White as you portray it.
It most likely is just outright incompetence made by those having a total disregard for human life. It is actually Criminal Homicide, manslaughter. That is more than enough to impeach him.
**
Remember the young guy who dressed up like Bin Laden and crossed the border twice and no one sees him?
Of course, it's completely unrealistic and counterproductive to cut air travel to west Africa. Kill off 50% of global population with ebola, then get a good nuclear war going, and you'll be at 500,000,000 per the Georgia Guidestones in no time.
This short article gives one an understanding of why the US immigration policy is so INSANE.
BECAUSE OBAMA!
FORWARD LAKELAND IND.!
Bad. Bad news.
great stuff for page clicks; but "preliminary test"---two types of test; anti-body reaction and PCR; neither one of them is worth shit. Sorry about that. False positives ? Oh, hell yes. "unknown transmission mechanism"=science fiction. all you people on here who have no science education and are not accustomed to thinking critically will just have to emote, I guess. But basically this anouncement, as it stands, at present, means; wait for it---nothing. Cheers.
< Cue furious fapping from rural bunkers >
Finally, we can watch the world burn just like ZH said it would!
I unfortunately live near a very large community of immigrants, particularly those from Africa. It's so bad the ATM asks if I'd like to continue in English, Spanish or Somali. Over the past few days I have begun to see them walking around in surgical masks.
I'm wondering what they know.
Maybe the ebola virus likes rubber?
All victims of Ebola should be shot on the spot and incinerated with a flame thrower..............the only way to be sure.
Maybe something, maybe not. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2014/10/12/braintree-hosp...
And, in predictable fashion, the victim is blamed for getting the disease.
"Although the nurse was wearing protective gear, the director of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Sunday that the latest report indicated a clear breach of safety protocol at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/13/us/texas-health-worker-tests-positive-for-ebola.html
Contained, no doubt.
Will the riot police be dressing in hazmat gear too?
Once you put on the protective gear. You can never take it off.
More truth than fiction...oddly no family member has contracted it yet?
That we know of... I keep going back to that Executive Order BO signed that made it legal for public health officials to lie about test results to avoid public panic...
Hubba wha??? Gotta link?
i'm more worried about that most of the countries haven't reported their cases yet. the authorities are covering it up or are totally negligent about the possible infections. not sure which is worse.
brushing up on my multiplication skills.
Xn
Exponentiation?
At current rate of spread, doubling every 21 days, Ebola can spread to 7.3 billion people in 410 days using straight extrapolation.
Yep. This can also be construed as an attack I might add.
The Governors had better draw up "the list" and start doing it right now. This is not a drill.
Ebola can spread to 7.3 billion people in 410 days using straight extrapolation.
That implies the death of 14.6 billion people in 820 days.
This is dangerous stuff!
Actually, using the doubling of cases every 21 days, and a mortality rate of 70% (best I could find), and infinite supply of people, 4000 trillion would be dead in 820 days.
Given the survival rate of 30%, only a maximum of about 5 billion people would be killed if it were allowed to spread freely and no vaccine or treatment was found
The model predicts that a million will be dead in 150 days and a hundred million in 290 days assuming rate remains the same and no cure or vaccine is found.
nvm.
Low end of the mortality rate is 50%...that's about 3.65 billion deaths in 410 days or 7.3 in 820 days. Of course it could always mutate into something that no longers kills.
It would be more of a hyperbolic tangent than an exponential function. Fast, exponential looking rise at first, then it levels off.
yes. it levels off after most people who can be infected have been.
From a CDC Model which estimates the future Ebola cases in Liberia and Sierra Leone:
If trends continue without additional interventions, the model estimates that Liberia and Sierra Leone will have approximately 8,000 total Ebola cases (21,000 total cases when corrected for underreporting) by September 30, 2014
If conditions continue without scale-up of interventions, cases will continue to double approximately every 20 days, and the number of cases in West Africa will rapidly reach extraordinary levels. However, the findings also indicate that the epidemic can be controlled.
...
Worst Case Scenario:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures%5Csu6303a1appendixf10.gif
LINK
I guarantee this will help even those who are math challenged:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcskckuosxQ
I thought that only happened to the nuse in Spain because their hospitals don't have the latest and greatest gizmos and procedures. Couldn't happen here. But it just did.
This disease seems to take out health care workers like tornados get after trailer parks.
for the nurse:
according to a comment in europe she touched her face with a used protective glove while taking it off.
should have been disinfected before so it remains a mystery what really happened there.
Attempting to blame her for touching her face is stupid. They are supposed to use a buddy system when disrobing. The gloves should not have been "able" to touch her face infected. The attempt to blame her damns them worse! Either they are lying, trying to cast blame, or they are pathetically stupid to let her disrobe alone.
I keep saying this, we need to pay a doctor or 10 with experience in Liberia to run this fucking clown show. Virus is OUT of the bag. There is still a small chance they can get it under control but as of today...
EBOLA IS ENDEMIC TO LIFE ON EARTH AND LIFE IN YOUR COUNTRY. The sooner you let that sink in, the better off you will be.
Proctor and Gamble had a good day.
I would avoid the White House btw. More than likely they are infected as well.
"I would avoid the White House btw. More than likely they are infected as well."
We can but hope.
How can you be sure they were using a buddy system?
It is a very complicated protocol (the CDC version anyway).
Get sloppy and you will get infected.
Look at what happened in Dallas.
Unless you are a trained microbiologist used to working within at least a Level 3 containment environment, you will have a low probablilty of survival even if you are "protected".
Reasonable question, I am not a MD or a nurse. I have shopped these outfits online. In the videos where they demonstrate how to put the stuff on and take it off, they always, always, have a "buddy system" and that is what they reccomend for both putting them on and taking them off. For putting it on you need someone to visually check you to make sure there are no gaps. For taking it off, they stress the buddy system is even more important. There are very specific steps for each role if there are two of you.
I decided not to get one because I understood I was going to have to redo my home in such a way to make the suits useful that I would be full of shit and overwhelmed. The suit would be bought for the sake of buying it. I can use the money elsewhere.
Furthermore, when I have seen video footage from news sources such as "Front Line" and "Vice" again, they always have 2-4 people, each with very specific roles, getting garments on and taking them off. Lots of spraying as the disrobing is happening, usually in an outside hospital.
I have not seen an American hospital in action. I did make an assumption.You would think they would listen to manufacturer's instructions.
Yeah, did you notice the similarity of the "buddy system" to what astronauts do when they "suit up"?
That's to keep them alive.
My former gorgeous fiancee works with global TB studies (not for CDC).
TB is Level 3 containment.
There is a major competency difference between the techs in oh let's say Lithuania as opposed to South Africa.
The ones in Lithuania are totally spot on, while those in SA really don't give a shit.
Unfortunately, some techs in the US are not that much better.
"I thought that only happened to the nuse in Spain because their hospitals don't have the latest and greatest gizmos and procedures."
Yeah, those damned europeans have it all figured out what with their multitudes of regulations and procedures and standards and ethical behavior to keep dangerous stuff away from the peeps, ya know like concentrated polio and what-not.
"Employees with pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) dumped more than 45 liters of concentrated live polio into the water at a Belgian treatment plant earlier this month according to a statement from health officials.
http://www.storyleak.com/pharmaceutical-giant-dumps-live-polio-virus-into-belgian-water/#ixzz3FwBzHe8q
Well, scratch that ;-)
Death penalty, in this case not because it deters crime, it just makes me feel better. Damn. They need to explain the "accident" better.
Right, I mean people show up at water treatment plants with liters full of polio almost everyday.
Completely routine ;-)
Low Risk = 50% chance in one day, 100% within a week
On a long enough timeline.......
Time to reconsider that Vegas business trip??? Hmmm...
Vegas = Randall Flagg's HQ
M-O-O-N, that spells Obola!
The genie may be out of the bottle. It is most unlikely that he did not spread it to someone else. Spain keeps monitoring more:
Spain monitoring three more for Ebola signs None of 15 people hospitalised so far diagnosed with disease amid fears about contagion in Europe and elsewhere.http://www.aljazeera.com/
Meltzer helped produce a report in late September that said that at current rates of infection, as many as 1.4 million people would become infected by January. That number, officials stressed, was a straight extrapolation of the explosive spread of Ebola at a time when the world had managed to mount only a feeble response. The more vigorous response underway is designed to bend that curve.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/the-ominous-math-o...
Typical political and bureaucrat speak, overstate the case and then take credit when the mark is not met. IOW, if only 1 million people become infected, the "vigorous response" was a success.
The "transmission mechanism" is carelessness while taking off the protective gear. The protective suit can be as infectious as a living patient, but when you have finished your work and think only to go home, it is easy to make a mistake.
And if one can catch it via making a mistake while taking the gear off, what does that say about how easy it is to catch when the general public comes in contact with an infected person?
No kidding. People with freaking space suits and, I'm sure a healthy fear of contracting ebola are contracting ebola with some regularity. Yet, it is not that easy to get or hard to contain. This does not make sense. Plus, in opposite guy fashion, gov is saying it's no big deal so...
Then again, I work in the ed and our little mid american ed doesn't have space suits for us to wear. Spash shield, not protective against airborne ebola.
BITCH LOUDLY. MAKE THEM FIX IT OR QUIT. GET OTHERS TO DO THE SAME. Stay alive if you can.
They're only telling you what they know...not what they don't know. Like "hey! I'm a healthcare professional! Here's what I did wrong!"
That starts with that dope from Tennessee you worthless media clowns.
"New Texas Ebola patient was wearing protective gear, complied with CDC guidelines, Texas Health Dr. Dan Varga says".
What does this tell us about said guidelines?
That either they weren't followed, or they're shit. Or they could be shit because they're too complex to follow.
Why would any health care worker continue to go to work after all of this? The employer has obviously created an unsafe work place. If I were their workers comp carrier, I'd cancel them today.
i grew up with stories of my great grandmother dying of the Spanish flu. The healthcare system shut down and a neighor, who was a nurse, wouldn't even help my grandfather. She was 36 when she passed.
Nothing to worry about here. Barry has it under control. Be sure to start stocking up on food, water, guns and some good books. When the lockdowns start happening, you'll want to be as comfortable as possible in your own homes.
A lot of sheep just woke up from the TV coverage this am.
I'd suggest early morning shopping today before the xmas/ebola rush.
JIT delivery is about to bite us in the arse.
Sheep: It's Bhaaaaaaaad out there.
I am stocked up, but I am going out again.
I'm buying more also,Ms.
My planning was for six months holed up after SHTF, while other
things like cholera,typhoid etc ravaged the population. Know doubt they still will, after
ebola has had its turn first.Looks like 12 months is more likely.
Homiegot - That is good suggestion. The entitlement system is unsustainable, especially regarding healthcare. 90 days food, water some things to do and a gallon of bleach (chlorine) may be the difference between life and death. The means to defend it is also imperitive. It may or may not be Ebola, could be any number of false flags conducted to reorganize entitlements and the finanical system.
Doomsday scenerios aside It may be as simple as this: If you were ordered to shelter at home for a month do you want to eat, smoke and drink what you want and have some cheap entertainment or twiddle your thumbs hungrily waiting for wheat pasta and yellow cheese rations?
Mac & Cheese... Bitchez.
A pound of pool shock treatment stores way better than a gallon of bleach. When needed add it to 5-6 quarts of water and presto, there's your bleach.
Thats why Im building/selling these.
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/for/4711422656.html
Price range?
Short hazmat suits.
A "self monitoring pool" EA ? Ebola Anonymous ?
Tyler it's third. There s now contact of contact inbound.
Once they a couple of cycles in there will be no way for CDC to track contacts. Might already be past that point.
Probably not, but with potential cases flowing across our borders it may not be long.
"there is a transmission mechanism which is not accounted for under conventional protocol." called human error.
CDC..... Center for Decontaminated CUNTS. or should I say DYSFUNCTIONAL
Hold on BITCHEZ.....
Obama and his CDC lied; government believers died.
"Heck of a job, Brownie."
"the worker was wearing full protective gear when treating Duncan"
Healthcare workers frequently "cheat" protection protocols because it is very time consuming and expensive which is presumably why supervisors look the other way. It is common to see workers wearing bunny suits, etc. in and out of containment when they are supposed to take the suits off and put new ones on each time.
A hospital is the last place you want to be if/when this goes exponential here. Hospitals are where the sick people go.
This should be a side bar that remains up 365/24/7.
Of course there's a 'missing transmission protocol, it's called "human bean error".
I have worked on the construction of clean room environments and surprisingly, the only way to assure protocols are followed is to create a vestibule at the entrance/exit and have 2 workers whose only job is to make sure protocol is followed. As soon as someone says, "this is bullshit, I don't have to do this!" They call security and have them escorted off of the property.
Architecture/design too often ignores the human element and its necessary impact on design (almost as if an engineer were doing the design), except and until writing the user manuals (often in Ebonics and/or PowerPoint, or even worse- having native Chinese speakers try to write in English when they aren't even fluent).
Yeah but who's watching them when inside ? I work in a cleanroom and have almost seen it all.
I watched an episode of "House" where he successfully solved a case by breaking the CDC's protocol, entering a containment room with a small pox victim, and pawing the corpse with his bare hands.
I've learned pretty much everything I know from TV.
I've learned pretty much everything I know from TV.
...me too, Carls Jr. will probably end up with custody of my kids.
Carls Jr. took muh baby away!
There are plenty of pictures of the MSF hosing down their protective clothing with disinfectants before removing them. Sort of doubt they've been doing that in Madrid or Dallas.
My take as well, I said this above, they are supposed to have a buddy system. Gloves should not be on hands that are infected which can touch faces when they are finally exposed.
Their desire to "save" time could cost them their lives.
AND, if a person can be infected with ebola but not show symptoms (like fever) for up to 21 days TAKING THEIR TEMP AT THE AIRPORT IS USELESS-AND VERY DANGEROUS TO THE PUBLIC.
No disrespect, d Edwards ... but Captain Obvious, aka most of us here on the Hedge - including yourself - have been trying to get this across by shouting from the rooftops from almost day one.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/11/world/africa/officials-admit-a-defeat-...
Death sentences for complete families.
NYT is a zio/owned propoganda machine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQu18bom5nw#t=360
consider this:
ebola patented
despite alleged protective gear, people getting it/not airborne
Duncan, no bloody vomit
No halt to air travel
Dr. Mobley ATL airport.
As Al Huxley pointed out above, use Katrina response as a guide (remember they seized weapons)
Loss of more CL
elections
currency collapse
gun seizure/then your property-EO already signed
Same MO/induce fear! Sheep clamor for protection.
I didn't think so at first, but now I call bullshit on the whole mess. If people are getting infected, it's intentional.
Here, for those of you not paralyzed with fear & still have somewhat of a crack left in your closing minds. Disregard the man's Christianity if you so desire & take what you will from his research, but forward in to 46 min & you'll see a continuation on the purpose of MERS & more draconian laws..."Natural Laws" deemed appropo by the Holey Sea. His constant use of the term Goy, tells me he cannot come out to name all facets to avoid crucifixion. I recommend watching the whole thing. It's connected to many dots for me my head is still spinning. Who's manifesto? Each according to his ability, each according to his need.
Well FM it's right in papal doctrine.
What this man has to say about the UN & UNESCO world heritage sites will blow your skirt up.
Baaaabaaaaaabaaaaaabaaaaaa
Problem, reaction, solution...same as it ever was
911-3K murdered...no problem, all protocols ignored, WTC7-Enron, Worldcom investigations.
OKC-168 murdered...no problem, FNMA, FRE records stored/destroyed in Murrah bldg.
Holder resigned for a reason.
Here's you one more thing to ponder. If you have a landline (don't know about cell) say a few key words in a conversation. Ammo, death, drugs, ED, you get the idea, then go to youtube & watch the pop-ups you get in the video of an embed on a website. It's no coincidence.
It could be that these are air-to-air infections. It's been documented in animal-to-animal cases..............and we're pretty much animals. I mean, really. Look at Howard Stern and Nancy Pelosi.
Listening to them is painful enough. I try not to look. I heard it causes erectile dysfunction.
We are animals. Not just pretty much.
it's not confirmed by the cdc so close to the election in a red state? now that might keep people from voting?
Oil prices low- good for Dems. Ebola- bad for Dems.