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The Fight Against Ebola: "Boots On The Ground" In West Africa
The current Ebola outbreak in West Africa (which now accounts for 4,000 deaths worldwide) began in Guinea in December 2013. From there, it quickly spread to Liberia and Sierra Leone. Cases also appeared in Senegal and Nigeria, and a separate outbreak appeared in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Today, Liberia lies is at the center of the epidemic . As President Barack Obama sends American military personnel to West Africa to help combat the epidemic, VICE News traveled to the Liberian capital of Monrovia to spend time with those on the front lines of the outbreak... the scenes are disturbing.
The Fight Against Ebola (Part 1)
In Part 1, we meet confused and distressed people trying to receive treatment in the increasingly chaotic city, and speak to an ambulance driver doing his best to aid the sick.
The Fight Against Ebola (Part 2)
In Part 2 of The Fight Against Ebola, VICE News heads to Liberia's West Point neighborhood. Through the lens of Ebola awareness teams working there, we learn about one of the main issues that is perpetuating the outbreak — confusion about the virus itself. We also follow a citizen body retrieval team tasked with the important work of responsibly and safely burying corpses.
The Fight Against Ebola (Part 3)
In Part 3 of The Fight Against Ebola, we return to Redemption Hospital in Monrovia and speak with Mohammed Sankoh, the director of the facility, which started as a holding center for patients but has since turned into a de facto treatment center. We also visit a nearby Doctors Without Borders (MSF) facility and learn about the challenges foreign healthcare workers face as they help manage the crisis.
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i feel safer already...
Our boots on the ground are going to be bringing back Ebola.
Thanks, Obola.
and i thought they were going to blame another poor nurse..
this is looking like amateur hour...
Listen.
Boots on ground in Obola zone are dead men walking.
EBOLA II..
coming to a neigborhood near you...
Ebola Hoax 100% *warning language a bit rough but worth the offense and time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZonCVRQ-2s
As replied to on the other ZH thread...
Ebola is a Biosecurity Level 4 pathogen.
The PPE recommended by the CDC is an elaborate impermeable "spacesuit" type suit...with strict procedures for entering the contaminated rooms and exiting--including showers and other forms of decontamination.
Given the cost, I'm sure these healthcare workers are not only inadequately trained for Ebola type precautions, but totally inadequately suited up.
And they wonder why health care workers are becoming infected.
The hospitals also most probably don't have the special precaution rooms that are built for BSL4 --separate from the rest of the hospital.
Training only does so much--they need the proper gear and facilities. Either provide the proper gear and training, or send these patients straight to the CDC or another facility equipped to handle BSL4.
now its starting to spiral
fear...
dow futures down 60..and falling...
now down 77...
and jesus...GOLD TOOK OFF LIKE A ROCKET...
"Our boots on the ground are going to be bringing back Ebola.
Thanks, Obola."
How about maybe using 20% of that force level, stationing them stateside, and having them point at the line for the isolation room if you step off a plane with your point of origin in one of the epidemic countries?
Yeah, yeah...."For the Children". "Hope and change".
Where is the bill & melinda gates foundation? Not here, but check out where many of their charities are based. Yes, switzerland. with 73 billion of wealth and all of their bullshit we are trying to save the world, especially the 3rd world, Why aren't they putting their money to work right fucking now. Cunts
I don't care what you bastards say. America is still a force for good in the world. After the quarantine, we're gonna teach these people how to use soap and water. We might even give them jobs at Sea World. Now that's living.
It's classed that way in science and med circles.
Level 4 Bio Weapon is what the label says back in the armory.
"It keeps on multiplying until areas of tissue all through the body are filled with crystalloids, which hatch, and more Ebola
particles drift into the bloodstream, and the amplification continues inexorably until a
droplet of host's blood can contain a hundred million individual virus particles."
[...]
"They were blitzed and pock-marked, as if the liver had been carpet bombed. Then she saw the dark blobs in the cells-the shadows that did not belong there. They were crystalloids. And they were huge.
This was extreme amplification.
"Oh, fuck," she said in a low voice.
The bricks did not look like crystals. Ebola bricks come in all kinds of shapeshorsehoes, blobs, lumps, even rings. Some of the cells consisted of a single brick,
a huge mother of a brick, a brick that had grown so fat that the whole cell had plumped up.
Shed saw rotten pockets where all the cells had popped and died, forming a liquefied spot that was packed with wall-to-wall bricks."
Also known as MAJOR PUKER FACTOR.
Idiots down-voting could not have watched the vid, not enough time to have watched. Go take the anti-vaccine and say goodbye dummies... Geesh.
Try to help inform but these un-informed losers let the Luciferians continue to do what they do best.
Place you willingly in your own grave...
WAKE UP!!!!
Ay, there's the rub.
I don't know you from Adam, El O, and I don't know anyone who's ever had Ebola or known someone who's known someone....
But I do know that pandemics are a fact of nature and there hasn't been one in a long time, so odds are we're due. I also DO NOT trust ANYTHING this federal gov't does since the CEO has PROVEN himself to be a liar many times over.
So....proceed with caution and DO NOT do anything President Obola says to do.
But also, keep the CT's like you at an arm distance until you come up with a little more than you're interpretation of a video. Just this AM, I was reading one dude who was commenting on the Dallas news conference (patient #2), saying "Can't you just see the terror in that doctor's face!!!???"
Ah, no. Can't see it.
Let's talk again after a few weeks. Kiss Kiss.
Hey, almost 4 1/2 years on ZH, pretty much tells you I'm for real.
Kiss-Kiss???
no thanks...
REAL?
For all I can tell from where I sit, you could be an HFT algo.
Sorry. 4 1/2 years only means you're 4 1/2 years older than you were when you joined.
The search for truth is a bi-atch, isn't it?
Kiss - Kiss (with a hazmat suit on).
LOL, VICE, just hanging out in Ebolaville, LIBERIA, with the other 3000 troops...and having a Cocktail or two as we speak...and some nice Chop.
Don't worry bro, we were junked pretty hard for citing the same video. Many folks, even some ZHers, will continue to lap up whatever comes out of the teevee/MSM. A wise man will take note of those who willingly line up for the vaccine and avoid them like THE PLAGUE, because they are. Those of you in large cities are fucked.
Green shirts and CNN theatrics? That's what you are going on?
Bio hazard has been zombie green well before zombie was all cool.
CNN has been staging shit for ratings since Iraq Scud scare.
I see where you are going with it, but I'm making other plans. There's critical thinking...and there's filling in the blanks. Not all flags are false ones.
Sometimes the regular flag will do just fine.
I don't get a sense of panic from the media. I've heard armies of consulting doctors on tv and radio all week saying all kinds of crazy bullshit, but none of it is panic. It's hard to get. Have to practically tongue punch an Ebola patients red starfish to get it...and then only after failing to brush and floss.
There is no panic in half the people I talk to, which is interesting as that's about the amount I expect to not see around next year.
I think I'll take the word of my wife's nurse that's actually been there and seen them fucking dying of this in Monrovia.
I know you think you are helping, but your not. There will no be a vaccine.
Just soap and water, homeboy.
Everyone go donate to Doctors without borders NOW!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZonCVRQ-2s
Speaking of green shirts, and green backs. watch the end to $ee
Agree. The threat is more grave than most people realize. The media is playing this one down big-time which is a bad sign.
This will spread relatively slowly in the beginning, if it actually takes hold. That's debatable because there is still a chance of containment in the US at least.
Unfortunately the goobers playing the threat down aren't doing anyone any favors. There is a BIG difference between being fearful and being in a state of vigilance/heightened awareness (thanks disabledvet, you are a champ for pointing that out.)
Am I fearful? No. State of heightened awareness? Absolutely.
Doing the reverse and plugging the "This is overblown. No risk. Everything will be fine" angle, only goes so far. Taking that kind of outlook leads to shortcuts and reactive policy a day late and a dollar short. It leads to shoddy practices on the frontline. It leads to trade and migration routes staying open far longer than they should. It leads to underassessment of threat and subsequent potential expenditure.
On the flipside, the: "GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO POISON PEOPLE WITH VACCINE" nonsense is not helping anyone either. Eventually if it spreads, it will get to a point where survival of society is within everyone's interests.
Did you say ZOMBIE?
1976 SUMMER - AUTUMN
[...]The virus tranformed the hospital at Maridi into a morgue. As it jumped from bed to
bed, killing patients left and right, doctors began to notice signs of mental derangement,
psychosis, depersonalization, zombie-like behavior. Some of the dying stripped off their
clothes and ran out of the hospital, naked and bleeding, and wandered through the streets
of the town, seeking their homes, not seeming to know what had happened or how they
had gotten into this condition. There is no doubt that Ebola damages the brain and
causes psychotic dementia. It is not easy, however, to separate brain damage from the
effects of fear.[...]
I can't resist!
1980 NEW YEAR'S DAY
[...]The eyelids were slightly droopy, which gave him a peculiar appearance, as if
his eyes were popping out of his head and half-closed at the same time. The eyeballs
themselves seemed almost frozen in their sockets, and they turned bright red. The skin
of his face turned yellowish, with brilliant starlike red speckles. He began to look like a
zombie. His appearance frightened the temporary housekeeper. She didn't understand the
transformation in this man. His personality changed. He became sullen, resentful, angry,
and his memory seemed to be blown away.
He was not delirious. He could answer questions, although he didn't seem to know
exactly where he was.[...]
Ebola Hoax 100%
I agree. I think they're trying to herd everyone onto taking the shot after the entire populace is scared shitless
Right,
What shot would that be?
There will be no vaccine. It's doesn't happen that fast...even with flu.
And where are your mass die-off stats from the pig virus vaccine? Remember? I do. Alex hyperventilating 24/7...yet no round ups, no Happy Camps. Lucky me, I got the actual pig virus before the vaccine came out.
But that was a hoax, right? Just like this. You'll be making YouTube rants while shitting and puking African Buckwheats at the same time. Pig virus reduced me to a sniveling achy fever mess. Couldn't move. Could take care of myself. I'm a healthy dude, but I was absolutely helpless. We are talking something much, much, more here.
Sometimes they false flag it. Sometimes, they just fucking do it. Just fly 'em right on over and spread them around.
"What shot would that be?"
Hmmm... been wondering whether Obama's main idea now is to directly eliminate domestic dissenters (you know, "terrorists") by using a live vaccine ("A few folks got infected and died...we're very sorry but, it was a bad batch - we're having some problems with vaccine production... again, we're sorry") on them or to identify them by mandating universal vaccination, then sitting back and watching for anyone who objects and who publicly makes well reasoned arguments...
Very clever plan: a little kid could have understood that when there is a dangerous 5-10 day period of asymptomatic infection, the temperature-taking screen will leak like a sieve. A six-year old could have reasoned it out!
But most of us aren't six year olds: we're PC adults who's capacity for reason has flown out the window as lies dribble from the mouth of a black president. We've been conditioned well to stop thinking... when it is "correct" to do so. I know, I know,,, it's a simple truth, but it sounds racist!! OMG!!!!!! (...run screaming from the room... tearing out clumps of hair... the usual)
So, some grand plan they pulled off, aye? And now 4000 troops with less science knowledge than my dog in direct contact? Even if this thing burns itself out somehow, it shows what can be done to people these days.
And BTW: the story used to be that the incubation period was 21 days, not 5-10, but I'm so used to being lied to, and to having someone pee on my leg and tell me it's raining, that I'm just moving on to figuring ways to avoid being vaccinated or placed in a "detention camp" where someone will give me the infection.
It might be politically incorrect to detain a horse. maybe you can just run arouind loose and pee on anybody you want.
We who suffered the swine flu now have extra immunity against all flu viruses.
Indy, most folks can't differentiate between real Influenza (potentially serious illness) and the common cold. They talk about vaccines like it is a plot to kill them off, having been vaccinated and not knowing the potential alternative scenario.
Can any ZHer tell me what things were like back when Polio, or Smallpox, or Measles, or Rubella was endemic in society? No? Huh. Hey what about that.
And IF people to the right and left of me have died, then I will be "scared" to take some sort of action.
Until then, I'm not taking some flippin' vaccine just because Uncle Sham says I have to.
If that's not a happy compromise, I don't know what is.
It'll be here by Halloween:
(See Cartoon):
http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/clip_image0016.jpg
They look like the people in that Doctor Who episode ("The Empty Child"). Now that was creepy.
I'm Creepy.
Capt. there are some things we know about infectious diseases. Even though people have been exposed to patients who are expressing dire symptoms; which means they have billions of viral particles per ml. of body fluid, have a very low, very poor re-inflection rate. This virus is not particularly good at transmission; it's not very infectious. We used to have small pox epidemics at one time; a completley different virus, that's very large and sophisticated, and they would go through cities like a wildfire. from one end of a postal zone to the other in three days. The Spanish Flu; once again an entirely different type of virus; much more sophisticated, went through the population in the us like a brush fire. it left hundreds of thousands of orphans in its wake. An rna virus, like this one, is very fragile and not particularly good at infecting people; it can if it gets a lucky break; but it;s not that good at it. It's not a good candidate for an epidemic in the USA. It just isn't . things like the nourishment and general health of the population are very important; in terms of immune system reactions. This isn't Sierra Leone.
"things like the nourishment and general health of the population are very important"
Do I need to refresh your memory about the general health of the U.S. population, particularly in regard to nutrition (25% deaths by cancer wonder why)? In terms of immune system reactions, it could be comparable to Sierra Leone.
..can we do a write-in ballot shipping Obola to Liberia?
Well, that was retarded.
War on ebola meet War On Poverty, War On Drugs, War On Racism, War.....
War on drugs got us more drugs. War on poverty got us 50 million more poor. I can see where this is going.
No shit. Maybe after this is all over, we can declare a war on jobs, money, and sanity too. Given our track record with things we declare war on, this is sure to backfire in our favor....
successfully fighting a pandemic is like successfully fighting a wildfire. the tactics are the same; it just a hard ethical pill to swallow.
jb
a good ol back burn would solve the problem all right. Ethics my arse, do it for the chillin'!
Back burns and dozers cutting fire lines. Basically creating buffer zones between the burning fuel, and the unburnt fuel. Otherwise, you are just praying for a change in the wind, and a change in the weather.
Aye.. and in the interim, there are myriad theorists who will quote you poems about how "there was no one left to speak for me," to make you question the resolve to do what is necessary to stop the epidemic.
Would love to see how theory and poetry works out when the problem arrives at their doorstep.
Well then I'm declaring war on nookie in my home.
War on terror got us more "terrorists"
"War on ebola meet War On Poverty, War On Drugs, War On Racism, War....."
If only Ebola was an ETF!!!
I can't wait for the war on weather or the war on art?
+1000
Whatever the FED comes up with will be WRONG. Stop the fucking flights already, Obozo!!!!!
Would anyone like to comment on this clip
Busted! Ebola Child Crisis Actor Exposed - 100% Staged CNN Produced Propaganda Videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CgCrrShvu4&feature=youtu.be
im suspect of this, yet, I equally suspect of the whole ebola scare too..
everything must be suspect... if it produces fear.. then it reeks of false flag...
so... ya.. its possible...
Make good note of the word 'scare.'
If you're scared, the goal was acheived.
I been sayin...
It's fucking Plato's Cave in here these days...
I'm a little ambivalent at this point.
Whether its real or not, there are horrific times a coming from the panic and hysteria,
or from ebola. The end result will nearly be the same,the preps certainly are.
It will bring down the house of cards IMO.
You fuckers can spot a conspiracy in your Moon Over My Hammy Denny's breakfast! What a bunch of lunatics.
You can't? It's so obvious ... Moon. M-O-O-N that spells Ebola.
lol the conspiracy nuts are always going to arrive at the scene of a disaster
Make sure you use a Liberian rectal thermometer for a coffee stir stick since you are so sure this is crap.
Oh come on now. This is getting ridicululous. I wouldn't use a liberian rectal themometer to stir my coffee even if there was no such thing as ebola...um...wait a minute now...I would be able to see how hot my coffee was before I burnt my lips. Okay, I take that all back.
It's not hard to spot a conspiracy... They are pretty much everywhere you look these days.
Well, when "the official story" is so obviously a bunch of bull crap on pretty much anything with the official government seal of approval on it....hello conspiracy theories.
The boy seems to take his cue from someone off camera that it's time for him to lay down. It is possible that the media set it up to have a dramatic moment to put in their story. Not unheard of. That does not mean that Ebola is not real. The story today in one of the media outlets, about the case in Braintree, Mass. had a picture of a hazmat team running with a body on a stretcher and someone pointed out that the picture was clearly not of any place in Braintree. It was a photo taken from another story about Ebola. Clearly, the reporter had no picture but wanted to add "drama" so they pulled a picture from another Ebola article to get the right "effect". "If it bleeds, it leads" is still the rule for a story - fear draws attention and gets a reaction like nothing else.
Well; it;s the media you know; they have to get people to watch; so they produce something emotionally engaging. T he news has been entertainment for quite a while now. I don't think it says anything one way or the other about the virus. My friend, a very intelligent doctor, says it;s not particularly contagious and very un-likely to become an epidemic. so; that;s what I was told. I went to high school with the guy; he's very bright and very into infectious disease; and he says no.
I can't believe the sheer and utter incompetence of these fucking faggots in our government, who spew out bullshit saying everything is fine. We've got the CDC who will go down with the Titanic saying that you can only get Ebola via direct contact, as people drop like flies around them. We've got armchair virus specialists on sites like Reddit who are regurgitating these lies which gives everyone a false sense of comfort.
We've got flights STILL coming in from Africa despite the fact that Ebola is now spreading here, and even though official organizations like WHO saying is 2-3 times worse than the numbers represent. This isn't some tin foil hat shit, this is REAL. It won't be long until Ebola is going to be "fought" on multiple fronts here and by that time it's going to be too late for our health system.
And now we've got 4,000+ troops sent to Africa for NOTHING except to go get Ebola and die. It's a virtual guarantee we will at least have some troops infected. And most Americans won't give a shit. Disgusting.
The amount of hate I have for how Ebola is being handled is almost enough to kill me as it is. The spread of disinformation on the internet and media is what's going to kill everyone.
that was an excellent rant..
+10
...But that's exactly the plan- misdirection. Ebola is the fallguy, the next "it's the cold winter's fault"- it's what these sychopants do- "Here's where I tried to help you...."
One has to wonder why we are given televised interviews with "Officials" instead of Obola Experts.
Militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) could turn themselves into Ebola “suicide bombers” against the Western world, terrorism experts have warned.
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2014/10/10/Experts-warn-of-Eb...
An "out of control" outbreak of Ebola in West Africa that’s being called the deadliest ever is far from over and it’s likely to get worse before it gets better, experts predict.
And health workers who have been fighting the outbreak, which spans three countries and has killed more than 300 people, say they are certain many cases are going unreported as they see gruesome infections, dangerous myths and people fleeing the virus, potentially spreading it further.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-outbreak-tip...
http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2014/p0813-ebola.html
Wouldn't it be nice if the "health care" people weren't there; and didn't advertise for the fucking virus and spread it with their fucking air travel; hmmm. wouldn't that be nice. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone just kept their fat mouth shut and let nature take its couse? Yes, it would.
4000 troops are a supporting role in the play, all resources are brought to bare to make it real.
sheeple need to feel the gubmnt is protecting them, now go prep your ass for your vacine.
Watching a million kids watching college football w/o a care is wonderful as their world falls apart by the day.
Brings new meaning to 'Don't Tread on Me'....especially if you have on Ebola laden boots....
Yeah, but we really don't know; you know ? maybe a year from now, we'll be going Ebola? oh, that, yeah.
Vice got bought out by FOX so there goes any credibility there.
Gone
Poof.
i thought it was rothchild funded.
Yeah, Vice has done a couple hit jobs on Liberia, scum bags they are.
VICE is the fucking textbook example OGA Info-Op influence peddling operation.
A bunch of ex-ops/ex-spooks who roll around third world shitholes and trip down memory lane while collecting intel on the current state of affairs.
They don't even try to hide it... Ya.. Your reporter guy... He's Ex-CIA huh? (like there is such a fucking thing).
That guy looks more at home in Portland than Monrovia.
"What's your vibe?" doesn't come out of the mouth of a spy.
yeah; Ex-CIA; I always love that one. Ex-Mafia, too.
Well see, I don't watch these things, but if what you say is true; that's a wrap. Liberia is a human disaster on a huge scale caused 100% by the US; so if they're putting out propaganda, that it was Liberia's fault, or some shit like that, that's pretty conclusive.
It's a goofy looking news video; it's like; hey we're here to sell you something.
BREAKING NEWS: Suspected Ebola case taken from Braintree clinic under police escort
http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2014/10/suspecte...
Boston Herald - 27 minutes ago
October 12, 2014
"A man is isolated in the back of an ambulance at Harvard Vanguard Medical Center in Braintree Sunday afternoon"
This shit is going to crash the health care system. Watch.
Experienced registered nurses are now petrified to come into contact with Ebola patients; each Ebola case will suck up medical & financial resources of hospitals and municipalities like a massive sponge.
It's only a matter of time.
Make sure all the cash-strapped uninsured young people who the EbomaCare Unaffordable/Ponzi Health "Care" Act depends on to even be funded for a few years hurry & register for their ObamolaCare Cards if they already haven't.
#PopSomeTagsWithPelosi&Reid
No problem.
Airline Cabin Cleaners Strike Over Ebola Exposure Fearshttp://abcnews.go.com/Health/airline-cabin-cleaners-strike-ebola-exposur...
From that Boston Herald link I posted above:
"The driver of the Brewster Ambulance transporting the patient shortly before 4 p.m. was seen wearing a hazmat suit and face mask. Beth Israel is planning to hold a press conference shortly."
**"A second person was later brought out on a stretcher in a hazmat suit and placed in a second ambulance."**
- Sounds like two people escorted by police to me!
"This shit is going to crash the health care system. Watch."
Can't happen here in the US: not only are we "industrialized," but we're also "exceptional."
There's 23 beds available in the entire country suitable for safely treating ebola patients; so we're surely fine at least until Wednesday.
Someone else here (sorry I don't recall who) linked to Raconteur Report a few days ago; I highly recommend this site for ebola reporting; perhaps read/skim, in chronological order, the ebola posts (nearly all posts except for the Flick Picks) for October (accessible from the RSS feed or right sidebar of home page). ZeroHedge readers will appreciate the snarky style.
Shit, I got a spare bed I can rent.
I'll hook a shop vac up to a space bag, cram the ebola-vic in it and viola!
Level 99 fucking containment.
Once sealed, it's so safe, you can sleep with the ebola under your bed!
SHeeeit.
This is premature because the nurse isn't actually sick yet. The "tests" are very poor and will produce lots of false positives. let's just wait a week and see how things go, eh?
I have a few friends whose wives work I health care. Those who can scrape by on one income have assured me that as soon as cases start showing up in or even near our area, the wives are quitting their jobs. I highly doubt they will be the only ones. Real crisis or not, even a couple hundred cases spread throughout the country would cause massive eruptions. Most of them I know have young children, and will not risk it. Even if you never get Ebola, trying to get other care could become next to impossible for daily occurrences like car accidents, etc. I don't fear a massive pandemic in the US as much as the fallout from disruptions like this.
I fear both, plus the economic collapse :)
The hospital that has the sick nurse currently was diverting ambulances because of a personel shortage.
Yeah; well relax. it could all be last months news event 90 days from now.
who would be willing to be a health aid.
Meanwhile, let's wave them through the border.
It is ludicrous to think the open border is the result of one man. Therefore, at least two are responsible. Thus, we have a CONSPIRACY. Verstehen sie?
Government policy is always a conspiracy.
Too funny. You mean Boston strong?
Stronghold of the satanists that pulled off the Boston bombing hoax and terrorized their community into believing they were under martial law
I'm sure this is 100% real
And I can hardly wait until the morons that were chanting USA! USA! after the bombing hoax was over will gladly line up for their toxic cocktail* in a vaccine chanting USA! all over again
*(No pun or slight intended to the apparent slew of Irishmen in the Boston area)
And since we're in the Boston area:
Eric "FBI Most Wanted (current or future) Informant and they can't catch you" Frein meet your future cell mate from South Boston Whitey "former FBI Most Wanted and Informant" Bulger
That is you will be his cell mate if you promise not to squeal about the FBI. Otherwise you might end up like the other failed FBI Informant Ibragim Todashev
Some of them are still "sheltering in place" because they have not heard otherwise from The Man Downstairs.
An Ebola patient should never be allowed into the hospital systems. Way too much risk for the rest of the population at large by bringing these unfortunate people into the systems. The US should be setup to handle them in some other manner outside of the hospital setting imo. Trying to quarantine this in a hospital is just not feasible nor very smart as it very well could collapse the entire medical care system. Imagine if an outbreak occurred at a hospital and the whole hospital becomes a breeding ground.
+100. dedicated facility with properly trained staff with better equipment and resources than they need.
I remember when they made us wipe our boots on a special mat when we came off an airplane during the "Mad Cow" scare.
Yeah! Remember they also used to make us remove our underwear due to the underwear bomber?
So that's how you became a member of TeamDepends!
It was the cavity search, and we brush regularly!
!!~ good grief. well, Readers Digest used to say "Laughter is the best medicine".
Texas is now US ground zero
What if...
Deaths attributed to Enterovirus D68 were actually Ebola?
Scary shit there.
You know they can test for this stuff in a lab right?
Don't mess with Texas! They bleed from their shitpipes!
That's one way of dealing with a red state
Maybe; but I'd feel pretty comfortable visiting at Kyle Bass's ranch and fooling around on his rifle range. If you got some space around you, instead of crowds, I don't see how it's going to be a problem.
honestly... vice recently had some whistle blowing .. suggesting its compromised..
and the whole ebola thing.. is getting fairly suspect to me...
how long before there's troops being flown in in bodybags.
bullish for ArenaX employment statistics though
I put Dallas in my rear view mirror...
#bugout
This outbreak just doesn't feel natural. Perhaps it's me being overly suspicious but this is screaming another false flag and i am just about false flagged out at the moment. This ticks all the boxes for them to blame an economic catastrophe on. The want for a day without western manipulation of something is what i really need. Just one day without these cocksucking paedos parasites sticking their filthy noses in something. Just one fucking day - please.....
Could be a false"false-flag" : where the real bogeyman wants you to believe it's the bogeyman that you are likely to assume it is. So if true Arab terrorists pretend that they are shills, you would assume the blame lies elsewhere
A 'false' false flag is at the limit of, or even beyond my level of comprehension. However there is probably a boardroom in the Pentagon dedicated to the FFF attack. Frightening.
That would be an FFFF attack (Frightening False False Flag).
Releasing a virus into the ecosystem to create a false flag, is suicide if you are TPTB. Viruses don't care if you are rich, powerful, or want the world population to decline.
The Powers that be have the resources to "go soon, go far and stay long",,,, to quote the post above.
Good to see a "hardcleareye" out and about. Lot of old timers around tonight. That means a lot of us are spooked. Herd is restless. Not good. Happy to see you.
How could 4000 people dying of EBOLA "feel natural". Whether they blame the collapse on this or not ... I think the outbreak is REAL
I guarantee that the actuall # of Ebola fatalities & cases in Africa is 30x to 50x whatever the current "official" tab being reported at any given moment.
They are sending them home to die now. No effort at counting the dead anymore.
Once they started excavating mass graves, I stopped listening for updated numbers out of West Africa. Its out of control and unstoppable in that region. Its going to have to burn itself out now.
Ok, dammit. That's it.
Everybody huddle, imma only gonna say this one more time.
But first, a parable.
Charlie Brown and Lucy with the football.
Charlie runs up, tries to kick, and Lucy yanks it and Chuck crashes on his ass. This happens like, forever. Chuck, being the asshole after a million times, gets wise. We goes a little slower this time...a little cautious, cause this ass finally has something resembling a pattern. A clue, in the parlance of our times. Anyway, he's sneaking up looking for it....
What does Lucy do? She punches Chuck right in the Jimmy.
Why? Because she CAN cause she knows Charlie is an asshole and that's not the only fucking trick in Lucy's playbook, that's why.
Stop being Chuck. That's the takeaway, lads.
More later....
So...lads, Charlie is us.
The yanking of the ball. That's the false flag. The shit that doesn't quite work anymore...but still keeps old Chuck guessing.
The punch in the nuts. That...that's the show stopper. Ebola.
They've been priming us for the outbreak thing for a long time now.
Ebola is a naturally occurring thing. It's deniable. Obama has the bumbling persona laid out for all to see, so doing nothing won't raise any eyebrows.
They just needed one guy to waltz in with the real thing. Then, they can start helping it. Scattering it around...LOOSING TRACK OF PEOPLE they were supposed to be monitoring. This is important, just like they LOST TRACK of the little beaner babies. So many people, so hard to track. What to do?
Anyway, they don't do the Ebola hail marry play just for one wanted outcome. There are too many of us, not enough of them. That's a problem when the economy is shitting more blood than thier Duncan jungle man. So, economy falls as everyone ducks for cover, as they should. Ebola culls its lot...and it will be plenty. Nobody will remember it was going to go tits up anyway, what with all the blood and death everywhere. The Amercian Health system will tank with everything else. Must be fixed, from ground up. Must be able to track folks that are left, so this can never happen again. Boarders are fixed cause we know where everyone is 24/7. Surely, we can never let this happen again..."Remember Ebola" and all that. That's the plan.
Whatever. What they didn't plan on was Ebola running loose on them. What Lucy didn't plan on was how pissed Chuck would get about the whole donkey punch to the nads.
Ebola just won't be controlled.
Obama has had such astounding success in depolying troops, he's doing it again.
Do yourself a favour today, read these two articles:
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2672.2010.04778.x/full The survival of filoviruses in liquids, on solid substrates and in a dynamic aerosol
Gist:
It is airborne.
Can float for an hour in air.
It survives better on surfaces in cold environments than hot.
Very grateful to the people who posted these links today.
"An initial recovery experiment showed that no virus could be recovered from any substrate stored at room temperature (results not shown). All results reported are for +4°C. Neither MARV nor ZEBOV could be recovered from metal substrate at any time."
That's encouraging re: fomites at room temp.
Looks like it can survive about 2 hours in the aerosol model at 22 degrees C.
Your "reassuring" quote is specific to tests on metal substrates (just skimmed the paper perhaps?). I'll reiterate my oversimplification from a month ago
You're still not being particularly specific. I think the answer you are looking for is three weeks.
However, if you are dealing with a corpse, then it's longer. Moreover, the three week period is subject to extreme variance due to temperature, moisture, sunlight, application of disinfectants, etc.
For example, today is a sunny day in Zürich, so if an Ebola zombie comes by and vomits on the hood of my car, the ebola virus would be dead in an hour or so (60min at 60C will do that).
However, if the same ebola zombie vomited on my windshield while the same car parked in the underground garage by the office, there is a chance that the dried puke on the windshield would still contain live virus cells 50 days later.
However, the chances of contracting ebola by 1) scraping the ebola zombie puke with my bare hands, 2) and the tiny amount of live virus in the dried puke sticking to my hands, 3) and then licking my hands, 4) and the virus finding an entryway to my bloodstream... 5) before my stomach acid kills the virus... is pretty damn fucking negligible, but not actually 0.
Some not so light reading...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20553340
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0042682299999154
http://aem.asm.org/content/74/3/555
I think you need to reread that second paper in the original post. Tested on plastic, metal and glass and nothing could be recovered at room temp. They saw virus on plastic and glass at 4 degrees, but not on metal. They point out that the 4 degree result with metal contradicts other studies.
Sorry, it's actually your post I needed to reread. I don't know where you are but where I am it's 9C right now, and according to the long range forecast we will probably see 23/25C (aka room temperature) sometime next spring... I guess I could redecorate the gnome cave/fallout shelter in silver electroplated stainless, stay inside and crank up the heat till spring and not let any zombies sneeze or cough in my presence (to recreate the few thousandths of a liquid ounce of zombie juice dried at normal body temperature from the experiment). However, the real world examples that have been publicly identified are day-old big piles of zombie puke being pressure washed off the sidewalk and lengthy delays in collecting festering liquefied corpses for those who live in poorer countries.
I'd suggest that all the lovely experiments in the world don't mean as much as a couple of real-world experiences with the virus. Right now a healthcare worker has contracted it in Texas, despite the CDC being so on top of shit. What do your experiments say about that?
Point is, your interpretation needs to be modulated by what's happening in the real world.
There is a lot of quantitative research and little qualitative here in the US. We need folks with on the ground lived experience, not charts, not numbers. The things going wrong are not to do with statistics. They have to do with lack of experience.
That actually was my larger point...
The CTRL-C/CTRL-P thing sort of limited my flexibility with the other point
...the snarky bit pointing out what no matter Frieden and the other the liars at CDC proclaim, the very real need to clean ebola puke in public and the risks of doing so were obvious a month ago (and actually as far back as stories of people puking and dying in front of clinics in Africa because they couldn't get in... so June/July even without a crystal ball or highly technical knowledge of the ebola virus itself). So apparently some dogma drafting macaca mulatta banging away on the keyboard at CDC forgot to CC some people on their faultless protocols, because the guy with pressure washer obviously didn't get the memo, read fringe blogs, or think for himself. But I digress since this whole mess has been so predictable for so many months at this point.
1. Understating ZEBOV lethality doses
TCID50 is the Tissue Culture Infectious Dose ==> the dose at which 50% of the cell cultures die ==> lethal dose (to lab cell cultures) estimate. The infectious dose to an animal in natural conditons is usually far higher.
"...Studies with the wild-type ZEBOV and MARV strains used in these survival studies in a susceptible mouse model demonstrated 100% mortality with <10 TCID50..."
So every mouse theoretically dosed with under 10x the petri-dish lethal dose died. That means it's extremely infectious. No surprise there. Primates (and humans) are more suceptible than mice models suggest, so maybe only a few TCID50 ml?1 to be 100% lethal.
But "...The limit of the assay (under conditions described) was 10 TCID50 ml?1...", so the results of this study are not sensitive enough to detect the low levels at which humans are 100% certain to die. The 50% lethality level may be very close to the tissue culture value: 1 TCID50 ml-1,
2. The liquid study started out with a dose one million times the TCID50 dose. Is that too high or too low?
The TCID50 dose is typically very dilute - it doesn't take much to lethally infect a tissue culture in lab conditions. But does blood/vomit from an infectious ebola victim have half that concentration or 100x that concentration? Even at 1/100th of that concentration, the results show that fluid at room temperature would still be >10 TCID50(well beyond 'absolutely' lethal) even after at three weeks. We don't know how the value they chose compares to realistic values observed in real-world samples.
3. You can't interpret the study to overstate the effect of temperature, making it look like ZEBOV can't survive dried on solid surfaces above refridgerator temperatures.
The study couldn't detect levels below 10 TCID50, but lethal levels are likely in the single-digit TCID50 range. The 'undetectable' ZEBOV that remained on solid surfaces at room temperature in their study could still be well in the lethal range - they just can't say based on the sensitivity of their tests. And once again, maybe they didn't start out with a realistic level at the start. Do sneezed mucus and vomit have more or less than 1,000,000 TCID50?
4. Temperature's effects on solid surfaces vs. liquid samples
ZEBOV 'dies' twice as fast at room temperature in a liquid vs. at refridgerator temps. I would expect something similar or faster than that when dried on solid surfaces, but not anything like 'instant inactivation'. This part of the study is the most suspect. Other studies on Marburg found it could survive for days on surfaces at room temperature.
5. Aerosol study - only hit the detection limit at 90 minutes, not the non-lethal level
The aerosol study only went on for 90 minutes because beyond that, the levels dropped below 10 TCID50. We can say that it was probably at lethal levels for longer than that because we know that level is in the single digits somewhere. If they knew the precise lethal level and could detect that low, it may have shown ZEBOV surviving in aerosol form for two or three hours. Granted, that's in ideal conditions. But that's only a single dose and a point-in-time sample, not a cumulative measurement expelled (coughing and sneezing for hours) nor a cumulative measurement inhaled (the way your lungs work).
Given the way health-care workers have been dropping, I don't think I would trust my life to a simple paper N95 filter.
I wouldn't either. But if I MUST go in public, I'd rather have a N95 then nothing at all. Mitigation is the only game we can really play, nothing is certain.
how about metal oxide suites. biohazard suites with a micro thin coating? mylar is plastic on the outside.
Sure sounds like not many people die from this disease. You figure 4,000 in 10 months is nothing compared to US traffic accidents.
Yeah, and about 3,200 were victums of Malaria...not Ebola.
Source please....
..."MONROVIA, Liberia—Some of the teams sent to retrieve bodies of suspected Ebola victims here are collecting cash instead, allegedly accepting bribes to issue death certificates to families saying their loved ones died of other causes and leaving the body, ..." - WSJ
http://online.wsj.com/articles/some-ebola-stricken-african-families-pay-...
So what that tells us, is that the number of Ebola is UNDERrepresented because of lieing. The incentive to lie is that they get to keep the body if the declaration is that they didnt die of Ebola. If its declared Ebola, the body is taken away and incinerated.
- it tells us that verification is non-existant.
That is not what the article says. You are the one who linked the article as evidence of your claim.
Ok, how does this grab ya??
http://www.aho.afro.who.int/profiles_information/index.php/Liberia:Analy...
That should speed this shit-show along...
It's not the absolute number it's the rate of increase of the numbers ... exponential
There's a difference my friend. Car deaths are a constant figure while Ebola has the potential to increase geometrically. But let's hope this thing burns itself out.
We know that people can be infected with Ebola but what happens if hospitals, schools, office buildings can become contaminated? And if it should spread to farm animals what then? And if it mutates...well then I dare not even ask the question.
I guess what I am asking, are the above scenarios possible?