This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
"We Have A System Failure" CDC Chief Blasted For Scapegoating Ebola 'Protocol Breach'
Do not panic. Ebola is not very contagious at all. That remains the mantra from health and political officials in America.. and as far as the nurse who was treating now-dead Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan, it was user error, according to CDC Director Frieden. As Reuters reports, some healthcare experts are bristling at the assertion by a top U.S. health official that a “protocol breach” caused the Dallas nurse to be infected with Ebola while caring for a dying patient, saying the case instead shows how far the nation’s hospitals are from adequately training staff to deal with the deadly virus, "you don't scapegoat and blame when you have a disease outbreak... We have a system failure. That is what we have to correct."
Some healthcare experts are bristling at the assertion by a top U.S. health official that a “protocol breach” caused a Dallas nurse to be infected with Ebola while caring for a dying patient, saying the case instead shows how far the nation’s hospitals are from adequately training staff to deal with the deadly virus.
...
It was not immediately clear whether the Texas hospital prepared its staff with simulation drills before admitting Duncan, but a recent survey of nurses nationwide suggests few have been briefed on Ebola preparations. Officials at the hospital did not respond to requests for comment.
Some experts also question the CDC’s assertion that any U.S. hospital should be prepared to treat an Ebola patient as the outbreak ravaging West Africa begins to spread globally. Given the level of training required to do the job safely, U.S. health authorities should consider designating a hospital in each region as the go-to facility for Ebola, they said.
"You don't scapegoat and blame when you have a disease outbreak," said Bonnie Castillo, a registered nurse and a disaster relief expert at National Nurses United, which serves as both a union and a professional association for U.S. nurses. "We have a system failure. That is what we have to correct."
...
In many cases, hospitals "post something on a bulletin board referring workers and nurses to the CDC guidelines. That is not how you drill and practice and become expert," she said.
CDC spokesman Tom Skinner said the agency is still investigating the case of the Dallas nurse, but stressed that "meticulous adherence to protocols" is critical in handling Ebola. "One slight slip can result in someone becoming infected."
...
"Doctors and nurses get lost in patient care. They do things that put themselves at risk because their lens is patient-driven," Kaufman said. In Dallas, "I suspect no one was watching to make sure the people who were taking care of the patients were taking care of themselves," he said.
...
"Towards of end of the illness, the virus is trying to live and thrive. It's trying to get out of the person's body. It's producing massive amounts of fluid," he said.
...
“Every hospital can then prevent the spread of Ebola, but not every hospital in the U.S. can admit a patient in the hospital for long-term care,” he said.
* * *
So - let's get this straight - Ebola is a deadly disease but is not easily spread (so don't panic) but if you are a healthcare worker a slight slip and you are done...
- 23229 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -


fucking leadership failure
President Obama said two weeks ago that it is highly unlikely ebola will make its way to America.
As a staunch liberal, I believe him.
The head of the CDC is going to be torn limb from limb for his lies.
Why? After all the dog ate the protocol. Not his fault. /sarc
BSL4 hospitals are few.
Why are the administrators endangering their staff?
Even if the nurse recovers from Ebola, she will have a long road back to recovery after being tossed in front of the bus.
Disgusting.
pods
this is beta testing now...... CDC chief has no idea and is just reading a script. They'll throw him under the bus when they roll out true quarantine measures...... full on Fema camp treatment centers
If you believe Olbombya and Friedem' you must be a self-delusioned idiot.
Olbombya: "I'd just like to qualify what I said the other day to you good folks. You can't get Ebola by riding on a bus next to an infected person......unless that person happens to be a healthcare provider gowned up in full Hazmat Ebola protection gear.....then you just might catch Ebola from them."
Lateral deflection... They need people to think it's not in the vaccines... Nurses sadly get more than the average Joe...
A letter from Africa : http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/ebolie.html
"Sierra Leone is the World's Largest Supplier of Diamonds. For the past 4 months they have been on strike, refusing to provide diamonds due to horrible working conditions and slave pay."
"Rogue low-level employees."
Where have we heard that basic line of BS before?
Yet another lying sack of shit bureaucrat at the CDC that doesn't have a clue... There is no coordinated effort on ebola and all the CDC can do is placate the public with lies to cover their ass... Already in the blame game and rocked back on their heals... If we are depending on these clowns to coordinate an effort against ebola, the US is doomed, just like Africa...
I've got the popcorn all ready I'm just waiting for that little shithead to throw out the MUTATED word.
You KNOW they're going to have to throw that little gem out soon to try and cover for their fuckups.
Did they really "fail" or was a mission accomplished? You decide.
Ummm....hay there CDC...HOW DID EBOLA COME INTO THE UNITED STATES TO BEGIN WITH YOU STUPID PHUCKING JEW BITCH??????
Let me guess..."we hate the same people and want them all dead."
Jews killing people to get at their diamonds? Never....
Here's an explanation from someone who knows.
"I was looking at what my hospital posted yesterday about how to protect ourselves if we had an Ebola patient. Mind you, I'm also at a level one trauma ICU, and am used to different types of isolation. I was getting over whelmed by the if this then's, and at a minimum but not more than this. If I were the nurse, I would expect someone to stand there and watch me, because I am terrified that I would screw it up! We don't get training, we get memo's! They need to go to the few hospitals around the country who have actual training in this.
I don't know what happened, but IF I had to speculate, this man needed CPR a few times before they called him dead. Those are the times, when fluids fly everywhere! Ribs get cracked, we get blood on us spewing out from the mouth, stool poring out. And I'm not even talking about a patient with a hemorrhagic virus. Trauma patients tend to bleed more than they should too. Its a mess! AND he was on CRRT! (continuous dialysis) talk about blood bath! everyone gets sprayed when a patient codes and you need to emergently unhook that thing."
Don't blame the nurses... We don't get training, we get memo's!
"Jews killing people to get at their diamonds? Never..."
Is it safe?
Marathon Man
Anyone see this?
http://m.naturalnews.com/news/047216_Ebola_contamination_Xenex_ultraviol...
Thoughts?
I heard the same that UV will kill it.
Most Biosafety cabinets have these Xenon lamps in there (ours do). And yes, it will deactivate a virus and kill bacteria.
pods
Let's put this in historical perspective. For forty years now there has been a progressive dumbing down of the population. People with no spark of curiosity have been given degrees for showing up, who then went on to become public school teachers. This, alongside truly intelligent, commited people who became excellent teachers. So the competent, qualified people had to find some way to cope with their incompetent, unqualified colleagues.
This paradigm has been occuring in every social science-related field, only because the demands in engineering and other hard sciences couldn't be 'adjusted' as easily. Nursing is no different than teaching. There are many excellent nurses who have the cognitive ability to understand and appreciate infection control. Then you have the other ones. (Having worked in a hospital for many years, I've met both types).
So how many of the second type - the essentially clueless ones - do we need to spread Ebola?
Yes, it's a breakdown in the system. One that's been decades in the making.
I will contribute to a fund that sends that nurse to DC, to spew up in the halls of congress. Then send her to Wall street. She's a WMD now.
Discontinue Snail Mail delivery unless USPS want to put a Xenon lamp in every mailbox.
Give new meaning to the term 'carrier'.
Yes, those appear to be fantastic at cleaning up the room after they remove the dead guy. Point being, the patient dies. Point being, these machines should be sent to Africa to help control the disease there and not be paraded around here to make us "feel" safer. Point being, we have a bunch of subversive shitbags purposely increasing the chances of the disease spreading here.
"...we have a bunch of subversive shitbags purposely increasing the chances of the disease spreading here."
Isn't that one of the Agenda 21 goals?
They don't need an expensive machine in Africa to produce UVC to kill viruses. Low vapor mercury lamps can be bought on Amazon for about $30, and it is not difficult to build a circuit to drive it.
http://www.amazon.com/Purely-Products-PUVLF285-Ultraviolet-Replacement/d...
Errrr... most days I get my UV free for about 12 hrs at a time.
The uv robot claims to eradicate bacteria NOT live virus:
- 57% reduction in MRSA at Moses Cone
- 53% reduction in C.diff infections at Cooley Dickenson
- 50% reduction in bacterial contamination at Cambridge Health Alliance
- 30% reduction in C.diff at the MD Anderson Cancer Center
- 62% reduction in microbial load at the St. Joseph's Hospital and Medical Center
Ebola is not a bacteria.
Quit sending that bullshit information around - because it's complete bullshit in the context of Ebola.
It is not bullshit, the testing is just not that easy if you were to determine efficiancy of killing a virus. TAMC/TYMC is cheap and easy to perform.
UV light deactivates DNA/RNA. That is how it kills bacteria.
It is not a big conspiracy. Intense UV light will damage and or inactivate DNA/RNA making viruses inactive (depending on exposure time).
Just because the marker tests were performed on bacteria does not mean that it is ineffective on a virus. It is just a cheaper way to have an accurate method of determining the effectiveness of the process whereas with a virus this is not possible.
pods
The first time I read that article it referred to DNA, not RNA. It appears to have been corrected. The Ebola virus belongs to a family (Filoviridae) of single strand RNA viruses that is reasonably susceptible to UVC. A low pressure mercury vapor lamp provides UVC mainly at 180nm and 254nm. At 254nm it has been reported that a radiant dose of about 7 joules/square meter will knock out 63% of of the virus population on a surface. UVC is a cost effective way to disinfect static surfaces since a significant dose can be delivered over a period of time. Rigging a mercury lamp for disinfecting moving air is a more complex problem. A mercury lamp is more efficient than a xenon lamp in producing UVC that will kill viruses, but it has the disadvantage of containing mercury. If it comes to the point of rigging a lamp for my own use, I would choose a mercury lamp over xenon.
http://nihbrp.com/Citations/completed/HumanHealthEcologyTeam/Survival-In...
http://jvi.asm.org/content/79/22/14244.full.pdf
Just parachute that cunt Frieden into Liberia.
On second thoughts, fuck the parachute...
There was a comment the other day on ZH that "that cunt Frieden" is a dual citizen of the US of A and Israel. If true, I have only one question: where are his loyalties?
A man can't serve two masters, there is no such thing as "dual loyalty"!
How many of these cocksuckers are in the government of the US of A????????????
Double post
Has anyone seen a report on what this supposed breach of protocols was? Or was it just assumed to be there since it had to be a breach. It's not like it could be airborne or anything. Then there's the case of the Dallas judge, Clay Jenkins, who ordered the quarantine of Duncan's apartment building. He enetered the place without protective gear, talked with family members, yet yesterday he's at a press conference talking about the newest infection. Why isn't HE in quarantine? Another breach of protocol?
"Or was it just assumed to be there since it had to be a breach."
Yeah, probably that. Haven't heard anything about what this supposed protocol breach was.
You can tell the directive behind the scenes is to keep the population calm. This CDC clown has completely back-peddled his message from "nothing to worry about, it can't happen here" to "this is serious but we can stay on top of it if folks don't fuck up" and NO ONE in the MSM is calling him on it.
As someone else said here; (paraphrased) "Let me get this straight - we can't control MERSA transmissions in hospitals, but Ebola won't be a problem?"
At the conference he just admitted that the breach of protocol is just an assumption. They will monitor for additional cases to see if a pattern emerges so they can determine what the breach is. It would be funny but it's not at all.
"Breach of Protocol" - translation
When Ebola stricken patient is nearly dead, do not try and keep patient alive with external assistance such as dyalisis or intubation
Thomas Duncan was dead when the drugs he was administered didn't work. Without effective drugs, the patients dies a horrible horrible death.
Solution. Give patient the right to demand death by euthanasia followed by instant incineration before patient's body becomes a toxic minefield.
If there's no vaccine found and drugs seem largely ineffective, the authorities should hand out household size euthanasia kits to every American family. Hazmat gear and bodybags as well. Just in case.
If I had it and knew it was a matter of days to increase the risk of contagion to all my family, I'd inject myself and go to sleep in a body bag.
I am not fucking kidding.
F I've thought that too.
"Breach of Protocol" is nothing more than where someone, in this case the nurse, failed, (for whatever reason, it really doesn't matter), to follow Level 4 procedures. Any contagion is sticky shit. Bio contagions even more so. Failure to follow procedures does not completely guarantee you'll break containment, but your odds begin to drop dramatically and, as proven in this case, will bite you in the ass for having done so. (This coming from a retired hazmat trained ventilation system inspector and remediator (NADCA).
Having had access to the knowledge of containment is very different from having been trained in containment. Nothing will teach that particular class save hands-on experience, and I'll venture very few hospital personnel have level 4 training or if they did they failed to pay attention whilst the class was given. The upside is that this case is a real eye-opener for those folks. It's sad it had to happen this way, but at least the message is getting out. Hemorrhagic fever is a motherfucker.
"Breach of Protocol" - translation
We can't be wrong so the nurse must have fucked up.
Agree,the commonsense approach but to many god bothering arseholes running the show
A priori assumption: our protocols work.
Therefore there MUST have been a breach of protocol.
3rd graders, also, look at the world like that.
diamonds? who care about diamonds except for a handful of people in Israel and New York? cough, cough besides, diamond scarcity is what they want to keep the price stupidly high for a crystal. they hold vast amounts off market to do this so striking workers reducing output as motivation...i'm not so sure.
lol cough cough i upvote you cough cough
Quarantine? Naaaah... it'll never happen. It's just not that contagious. I know that, because my Dear Leader Obama, who's a heartbeat away from these CDC guys is letting planes from the infested area of Africa into the good ol US of A every day with about 150 passengers. Would Obama recklessly endanger Americans? I ask you.
And of course that silly temperature-taking thing at the airport will never work because of the incubation period... but it doesn't matter because Obama apparently knows it's not that contagious!
And that CDC spokesman guy who said that meticulous adherence to protocols was critical else "One slight slip can result in someone becoming infected" obviously doesn't know what he's talking about! Who ya gonna listen to here?
I'm sure our man in the White House along with the CDC director he appointed know what the real deal is!
Seriously: if all it took to communicate this disease were ONE SLIP (and while wearing a hazmat suit no less) that even hospital personnel need special training to avoid...ehhhh... Come on, I ask you again: if that were all it took, would Obama continue to allow flights from Africa into this country?
If all the fearmongers here on EbolaHedge are right, USA is fucked. Martial law, forced vaccination, millions dead (from the vac?), quarantine camp (fema camp) if you refuse vac, children taken away if you refuse vac for them.
Medical can do what banksters can't do, scare everybody shitless, suspend all rights, kill millions, bring USA to its knees, all with 100% support of the people (sheep).
In science there is a principle referred to as the "Precautionary Principle". This infection is not some run of the mill virus. It is in no way comparable to rhinovirus nor the influenza virus, albeit its mutation rate is just under half in a 24 hour period of the influenza viruses. However, it is the effect this viral exposure has on the human body which needs to concern people. The CDC, the so called government and other 'officials' are attempting to minimize fear, which can also be an act of manipulation if indeed this infection is spread much more rapidly through the general population than admitted. So the choice is yours, stick with the 'officials' and their 'officialdom' or enact the Precautionary Principle in your own life and think for yourself. You know the old saying better safe than sorry.
If what you say is true there's no practial way to protect yourself from this "ebola". Health worker in full hazmat suit got it while people living with duncan didn't. No rhyme or reason to it. Totally random.
I think it'll just fade away in a few weeks like all the other panic "epidemics" do. Seems those nasty viruses just can't get traction here in America.
Huh... ???
Fact remains: the flights keep arriving, we continue to receive 1000+ passengers a day from the area of infestation. How many potential cases do we have to welcome into the US before someone decides the reservoir of infection is large enough to ensure the death of millions of Americans?
They are trying to keep the lies going until it has enough "legs" here to become self-perpetuating. The scumbag liar sellouts are just buying time while they confuse people with their lies. Then once it does start spreading on its own, a few of them, like Frieden, will "resign" and nothing will ever be done about this purposefully subversive act. It won't be the first time. Standard in the playbook.
If anyone is "entitled" to SSDI, it would be him/her. Is Obamacare gonna pick up the tab on this?
Jesus H Fucking Christ.
The way this guy talks, he's a bit special, no? Maybe not half retard, but 20-30%?
I find it deeply concerning that an Israeli citizen is in charge of managing what is likely the greatest threat to the American population since the Spanish brought over the first case of Small Pox.
The Native American population was extremely healthy, and what's left of it now in the US, around 1%?
Is that what you taught you in the American history classes?
Slept through that one. My history teacher was playing poker online during our classes. Sometimes I get a little fuzzy on the details. Usually get the strategy right though. Maybe I should replace Spanish with Europeans, or some other details. Dunno.
Honestly I don't really care either how Ebola traveled. We are all now the Native Americans. The cocksuckers in charge of shutting down the routes should be immediately executed and replaced with people concerned about protecting what's left of The Constitution and quarantining all infected areas, IMMEDIATELY halting all flights from infected countries and blocking entry to anyone who has been in an infectious area.
Ebola is now loose and the numers of cases are growing exponentially.
In the end, it's the trend, not the details. And the trend is we are all fucked.
Hopefully you first so I can get the last post for posterity.
Re: your comment on that guy's intelligence:
Just because the CDC chief has frontal lobes that are about the same size as my dog's doesn't necessarily mean anything. Not always.
I think Obama needed a front man who would go along with his basic plan, and... he just had to go quite a ways to find the right person. He had to go halfway around the world (to find someone who would play along - with his plan, that is - I'm not sure we know what Obama's plan is... at least I hope I don't).
There isn't necessarily any connection between these things. Probably.
maybe.
Dunno about that. It's pretty easy to find a stooge, which is why I'm surprised they chose Simple Jack. There's got to be some motivation other than he's the only one dumb enough to take the post.
Besides, I don't give Obama the credit. He's a stooge himself.
Setting up regional hospitals specifically geared towards ebola, and similarly deadly and contagious infections, seems like a great idea. The health care pros will quit otherwise. If US healthcare is as great as they tell us, this would have been done already.
"regional hospitals specifically geared towards ebola"
Yea, they are called "FEMA Camps".
I hear you.
Big gov and big biz have pissed away any reason to trust them a thousand times and a thousand times again.
So here we are.
What happened to yer other eye?
Because there's an acute labor surplus?
I though the dog crashed.
Tom Frieden, M.D., ShitStain Emeritus , another Member of the Dual
Citizen Club
Lets let more infected people fly in....what a great idea ... now that Freeden has confirmed he has no clue what he's doing.
Send that little bitch Frieden to the front lines taking care of the infected if he know so fucking much about it. Jackass probably already has HEPA filters installed all over his domicile. Dickhead.
Ok, send all future Ebola infected patients to the CDC so freeden can treat them since he knows "the protocol." Drive them straight from the airport to the CDC so he can personally teach all of the health care workers his "protocol."
I can't blame any doctor or nurse who refuses to treat these people they fly in from overseas to infect the people here.
CDC: Doorknobs are safe......
CDC.......
"Calm Down Contaminants!"
Toilet seats on the other hand... :>D
What they say / What they mean:
CDC: Ebola is not that contagious / Ebola is very contagious.
Fed: The economy is improving / The economy is great for a few, pretty shitty for most.
Obama: We reject sweeping claims of ‘inherent’ presidential power. / Being President is the shit; I do whatever I want.
TV Weatherman: It's going to be rainy / It's going to be sunny.
The list goes on...
1. It is not Systems that fail. It is People who fail.
2. If people fail at the bottom, it is because of failures at the Top -- MFer*!
Blaming "Systems" is a deliberate and self-serving scheme/scam to evade personal and professional responsibility and liability. It's a PR trick used by all careerist scum in large orgs -- whether public or private. It's Standard Vocab in the "Dictionary of Corporate Speakeasy and Weasel Words".
Hedge accordingly.
* If he has kids, he's definitely a "MFer". If he doesn't, he still may be one. ;-) ;-)
p.s. At the risk of sounding cynical, I doubt that he'll be replaced, since he has a standard Comprehensive Insurance Policy as a Tribesman. It's pathetic how spineless and wormy so many so-called "Christians" have become, when it comes to standing up for what's "right and wrong" in the Public or Private board rooms. "Christian"? My Ass! "Principled"? My ass! Pathetic weasels and worms! Paging Ragnar Lothbrok to the Red Courtesy Phone. Ragnar Lothbrok to the Red Courtesy Phone, please.
Lead by example, scumbucket. Go visit the Dallas nurse in the exact garb your "protocol" outlines.
Yeah go show her how to put it on right. Show everyone because you know so much about this.
Yeah no shit. What's the protocol again? A d how wasn't she...or YOU not following it asshole Jew scum pig.
+1000
Excellent idea!
Why not send the challenge in a letter to the WSJ?
If they print it we can see him sweat as he catches the "very hard to be infected with" disease/
(I'm serious write the letter and sent it! You could be saving a lot of lives.)
Not his fault.. lost the emails and his hard drive crashed
Well....he said there was a protocol breach, and now he's demonized.
Okay, whatever. So, the message that all protocols were followed property and she STILL GOT SICK is the message his critics want out on the streets! If that's true, then we're basically telling every nurse in the country to "call in sick" if rgwt ever hear of a potential Ebola threat in your hospital.
good luck!
Politics always come before solving the problem. What better time to prove the need for bigger government and more regulation?
AAAARRRGGHHH!!! It's damn always full blast bigger or none
I mean, look at the mantra:
"Do not panic. Ebola is not very contagious at all."
THE FIRST SENTENCE MAKES SENSE. THE SECOND, NOT MUCH.
No, if it was that contagious, it would have spread already across Africa, Asia, Europe... by land
Yes, it is very contagious. Precautions are needed. Smart, cheap precautions
Meanwhile, why don't you try with smaller government and smarter regulations? Instead of asking for a radical solution which won't be the one you'd like?
These assholes are using the outdated dogma of it not being very contagious like a mantra, when clearly that is not the case. Anyone who studies the history of Ebola breakouts into humans knows that there is actually very little known about the virus at all, because it's so deadly it's almost impossible to work safely with in a lab setting, and we haven't studied it enough to know much of anything about transmission mechanisms and resevoir species. The current outbreak is clearly telling us that it is much more easily spread than was previously believed. Whether that's because our initial hypotheses were wrong or because this strain is unusually infective is unimportant compared to the need for authorities to face up to the situation and do what needs to be done.
But there's not much sense in ranting because the authorities have almost certainly missed their opportunity to keep it contained. The plan is likely to be more involved in suppressing information flow out of West Africa and lowballing infection numbers than in actually stopping the spread of the disease.
Absent several billion doses of an effective vaccine, which does not exist, humanity is fucked thanks to our clueless, visionless leaders who did not stop this outbreak the minute it first got into a populated region of Africa.
If it continues to grow by exponentially doubling every 3 weeks, in well under 2 years everyone on earth will have been infected.
That's worth thinking about.
It won't, of course, at some stage the growth curve will flatten and then go negative. But there's no way of knowing when that will happen, and thus how many people will have been infected by then.
That will all depend on rate of mutation. An infectious agent that does not mutate quickly would probably follow such a growth curve scenario. Higher mutation turnover might well turn any statistic on its head.
His job is not to keep the serfs safe, it is to keep the serfs docile and compliant.
That's a LOT of smoke, man. I'm surprised the EPA didnt complain about the damage to the enviroment caused by this. There are coal-fired power plants that produce less smog.
It's a Brave New World, man.
What's really depressing is not all the pot smoke, but the incessant need to capture it on your phone and share it with other people who don't give a shit.
Ugh, they are even taking the fun out of getting high nowadays.
"Thanks for catching me a buzz, now if you don't mind, I have to update my facebook status to crunked."
pods
hedgeless, is there any part of the (Global) War On Drugs you are willing to call in? Why don't you call for (Alcohol) Prohibitionism to come back? Personally, I'm more worried about the amounts of legal drugs that are being pushed in the US, or the rethoric being used by the multinational drug companies why we europeans are so backward and should consume the same quantities, as soon as possible
Prohibition? Others can do whatever they want, as far as I am concerned, just not in my home. Of course, driving while impaired should have swift and severe consequences.
I thought you Europeans were supposed to be liberal, now, but maybe not so much anymore?
However, you Euros are mostly all still good with killing unborn baby humans, right? Just no fucking dogs?
"you Europeans were supposed to be liberal" is a myth
ok, our continent is not very big. but it contains some half a billion souls, with large conservative swathes of which probably you never heard of. Some half of the time they even capture more half of the votes, and govern, imagine that
Meanwhile, you leave me puzzled. Aren't you campaigning against Pot liberalization with your comments? And what has this Danish Animal Rights guy to do with the War on Drugs? Which is a child of the Great American Prohibition?
Absolutely not! I am a Libertarian.
Plus, anything that gives me and my tribe a clear and significant advantage over other humans is a blessing. No? I have no problem with my chess opponents drinking alcohol, smoking dope, or using any other mind-altering substance.
You and all the other "ZH Libertarians" are a damn headache, to me. Every frigging time I start to think I half-understand you... you bring things like that
your tribe? since when is libertarianism about... tribes?
Note that I'm (dubbed by others as) an expert on tribes, here (of course, in America everything is different), both past and modern. Also gentes, genos, clans, septs, mafia families, etc. etc. I've witnessed clan wars, vendettas, the works, and I even have the scars to show, then I was born on a tribal kill list, and dropped from that only as a relative encountered an "accident"
Your "My Tribe" sentence is proto-nationalism, pure and simple, probably with racial overtones. Nothing against that NOT ME, but I don't think you can hide it completely behind the fig leave of Libertarianism as ideology
By tribe, I mean my extended family, and very close friends such as godchildren and godparents. Don't you also want what is best for your extended family?
Libertarians are easy to understand. We want maximum freedom and minimum government.
hedgeless, fine, let's call your statement before... hyperbolic. I don't think you'd believe me if I'd talk about my extended family, which is actually a bloodline
Nevertheless, you do campaign against pot. Here on ZH. While there is a War On Drugs, with many incarcerations. How do you square that?
I campaign against horseshit, but it is a losing battle.
The war on drugs is a racket, just like the war on terror, the war on poverty, and war in general.
Seemed to me the original comment was railing against dickheads, who happened to smoking weed. Not quite the same thing as advocating prohibition.
A dickhead's gonna do what a dickhead's gonna do:
"Here, hold my beer and watch this..."
Smoking weed doesn't impair your desire to do things.
It's just impairs your desire to do things that are total bullshit.
Whatever self-medication works for you, dude. Much of my most financially-productive time was doing total bullshit work. Unfortunately, we cannot all make ends meet writing rap lyrics and teaching college courses.
Do you believe that smoking weed might affect one's ability to focus when doing bullshit things like decontaminating oneself and teammate after treating a patient with ebola?
as a sm buisness owner I can attest to the fact that it does impare your desire to do things that are "total bullshit"...like work and not just work for employers but housework, homework, car maintenance..etc my employees that are potheads don't usually work out.
Some drugs are better than others:
-Doug Stanhope
This comes to mind.
"There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution."
-- Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961
Jeebus. It's been twoyears since we've known this:
+++++++++++++
In pigs, Ebola mainly infects the lungs and airways, which makes them well-suited to spreading the virus through the air. To see if this was possible, Kobinger teamed up with Hana Weingartl from the University of Manitoba. They used nose swabs to infect piglets with Zaire Ebola, then placed them in a room with four cynomolgus macaques. The monkeys lived inside a wire cage within the pig pen, so the two species never made direct contact despite sharing living quarters.
The piglets developed heavier breathing and mild fevers, but were otherwise unharmed by the infection. But the monkeys were not as lucky. After 2 weeks, the pigs had passed the virus to all their neighboring macaques, who developed bloody spots on their chest and limbs and signs of damage in their lungs.
The study shows that the virus can spread without direct contact, but “keep in mind that Ebola is not suddenly an airborne virus, like influenza,” said Kobinger. Instead, the virus could have jumped from pigs to monkeys via small droplets in the air, or larger ones that splashed into the monkeys’ cages when the handlers cleaned the floor of the pigs’ area.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/33277/title/Ebola-...
+++++++++++
So yeah. The virus can apparently "jump" across a gap in space filled with air. If only there were a term that could describe this process.
Absent such a term, I guess we'll have to stick with "breach of protocol" for now.
"Jeebus. It's been twoyears since we've known this:"
That's not all they've known. Isn't it intertesting that while shipments of silver which were sent to the struggling communities in Africa were returned and banned by the World Health Organization (WHO) as "experimental", a study conducted by the US Department of Defense (DOD) in conjunction with other federal agencies discovered that silver nano-particles were highly effective against Ebola. The study titled “Silver Nano-particles Neutralize Hemorrhagic Fever Viruses,” stated, that silver had “powerful neutralizing effects” against the virus.
So, for want of jug of this, the virus gets to spread. I hate governments!
Serfs Up....thank you. Jeebus INDEED !!
These sons of bitches are LYING through their teeth. They do NOT know anything about this strain of Ebola that is now on our shores. They do NOT know how well the airlines are decontaminating the planes which fly these human carriers to our county, the airlines don't even know what to do.....and even if they did HOW THE HELL CAN YOU CONTAIN A BIOHAZARD LEVEL 4 VIRUS CARRIER IN A FLYING SARDINE CAN ????
NONE of our hospitals are set up for Biohazard Level 4 events.
LIARS !!! ALL OF THEM !!!
Serfs Up, it's obviously a question of degree of airborne transmissibility and not if it is or isn't. Some viruses, like influenzas, are spread during normal breathing. I'm sure you've seen your breathe when it's cold out, and know that what you're seeing is water vapor in your breath. Well, that water vapor is comprised of exceeding small "droplets" that could contain influenza virus if you were infected with it.
Ebola does not seem to be transmitted that easily. Unlike influenza, it doesn't infect the lungs of humans directly, but instead focuses on the blood. But people can have blood in their mouth for any number of reasons, and someone infected with ebola with blood in their mouth who coughs or sneezes can eject said infected blood. Moreover, and more importantly, at some point in the progression of the infection internal blood vessels beging to burst open leading to internal bleeding in the lungs and stomach, so when a sick person coughs or vomits there is likely to infected blood in said cough "aerosols" or vomit, which could be infective. So Ebola could be spread in coughs and sneezes (and vomit), but probably not by simply breathing on someone.
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=6490
The casual way in which authorities are disregarding this obvious truth, and endagering innocent citizens and peoples, is criminal.
I would add that having the authorities anthropomorphize the virus doesn't help either.
Yes, that’s critical information.
Christopher J. Petherick, in a September 14 article, writes that the risk is real that the Ebola virus will mutate, citing Michael T. Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.
Osterhold asked in a NYTimes editorial: “Why are public officials afraid to discuss this? They don’t want to be accused of screaming ‘Fire!’ in a crowded theater—as I’m sure some will accuse me of doing. But the risk is real, and until we consider it, the world will not be prepared to do what is necessary to end the epidemic.”
Writes Petherick:
“In August, major newspapers and television news only quoted the CDC, which stated that a person can only contract Ebola if they come in direct contact with body fluids, such as blood, vomit or saliva.
“But AFP’s article, which was penned by writer Victor Thorn, cited a 2012 study that found ‘the deadliest form of the Ebola virus could be transmitted by air between species. In experiments, they demonstrated that viruses were transmitted from [caged] pigs to [caged] monkeys without any direct contract between them.”
If it's government or governmentally backed.....it's FAIL from the get go. It's just a matter of time before that fact is revealed.
Seems it didn't take too long this time.
Unfortunately.....too long for the victims.
Cowards blame other people. Cowards in Spain too. I can handle someone saying "I fucked up, here is what needs to be different." This is lower than a worm.
I feel gratified reading this. I have been a little psycho saying that blaming the nurses was either ignorance or lying, both terrifying ideas. Seems it is both.
Leadership. Someone needs to be in the drivers seat who cares AND who understands how to treat this thing and stay safe, not from a handout, but lived experience. I would accept co-chairs, I get it the on the ground person may not understand the macro layout of politics and resources.
I would like to challenge Dr. Freiden and Mr. Olbombya to a little experiment that could shed much light on the situation. The experiment involves positioning an Ebola infected individual between us, with them on one side and me on the other, each exactly 5 feet away from the infected individual. On my side there is to be a high-powered fan blowing directly across the patient and onto them. The first person to get infected loses.
Obama should be on the fourth tee just about now.
Leadership wants 80% of us dead...I don't see any failures yet
Leadership wants 80% of us dead...I don't see any failures yet
Demonic Marxist Jews like Friedman do not care about Americans. They want Multiculturalism and Open Borders as their leader Marx outlined in his Manifesto.
They don’t give a damn how many Americans must die they will not seal the border or quarantine this country from Ebola.
America is fucked and we deserve it as a result of turning our Nation over to such a demonic horde.
I upvoted
Regulars here know I defend Jews from baseless attacks
But you hit the nail on the head with your comment - the virulent left amongst Jews is demonic, point blank, they have made a Faustian bargain
Look up Frankists, or followers of Shabtai Tzvi if interested
I heard my name mentioned so I thought I'd reply. Leftist Jews are Jewish in name only. They do not follow the Torah; their religion is the State. Yes, the same State that has historically and repeatedly villified/persecuted them and will continue to do so as long as humans walk the earth.
Jewish culture has always valued family, education & hardwork. But without morality, you get material wealth with a big helping of soulless poverty. Powerful on the outside, vacuous and pitiful on the inside.
Jews aren't the only ones with a monopoly on this short-term foolishness. But they are the most visible. And for the rest of the Jews who try to make a difference in this world for the better, we suffer the consequences and shame of these vary "successful" and vocal fools.
We have a system failure. That is what we have to correct.
We have a health care system failure
The health care, last shoe to drop
Money system failure
Financial system failure
Savings system failure
Political system failure
Growth system failure
Foriegn policey failure
Education system failure
PS In no particular order!
Have I missed any?
Justice system failure.
Energy.
Religion/spirituality/morality/ethics.
William is getting to recycle this because it works so well!
We would string this guy up.
Wonder what a bunch of pissed nurses, doctors, and techs would think of to do?
Heard on the news that the hospital in Dallas is not taking new patients including ambulances due to "staffing issues".
If I worked at that hopital, I'd self-quarantine and only be speaking with my lawyer about how much to sue for.
There is zero risk of Ebola infection. The American tanks have all been destroyed.
Good thing it's not some bizarre strain that causes people to shoot out a four-foot blood-sucking tentacle. Cuz we saw how well the CDC handled that...oh wait, that was just a novel.
coughs travel 6 - 8 feet and are invisible.
When we have another domestic terror event, and those who voted for O lost loved ones, they can pat themselves on the back. They voted for this.
And mittens would have done a better job? Really? Do you not understand that it does not matter at this point?
Yes. Romney would have done a better job closing the borders, Russia and ISIS. Yes I believe that.
Everything, I mean everything O has touched has turned to shit.
In a bureaucratic system paperwork and CYA is priority one and anything else is a distant second. The CDC has been screwed up a long time but it has been putting out politicall correct BS to make a certain group of people happy. Unfortunately we're running into a real epic disaster, at least potentially and a very broken system to help it along.
There are two items we should very much like our Supreme Leaders to read, assuming they can read, that is!
Some May Carry Ebola Virus Without Having the Symptoms
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/science/health/062700hth-ebola.html
Ebola virus can remain active OUTSIDE the human host for up to 23 days in liquid or on dried material:
http://www.msdsonline.com/resources/msds-resources/free-safety-data-sheet-index/ebola-virus.aspx
Typhoid Mary returns... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_Mary
and they blame the Nurse, pathetic losers
Tom Frieden = a Jew.
Anyone surprised?
Born a Jew. What is surprising is that some are so ignorant as to think that someone born a Jew deserves their derision. We were all put here. Hate is a choice.
Riiiiiiiiight. And it has nothing to do with all the Jews in just about every key position that have either intentionally fucked things up or just fucked things up because they're so goddamn incompetent yet feel they just know what's best for the rest of us. And it has nothing to do with Jews being hand-picked by their fellow Jews in every key position in order to preserve their grip on our country and the rest of the world.
Tell me. How is Tom Frieden, who was hand-picked and groomed by Michael Bloomberg early in his career despite not having accomplished shit, any different?
"Born a Jew."
What, you mean it's genetic? Well now, that explains everything!
"Born a Jew"
Yeah, I missed that somehow. Unbelievable these fucks. Fucking up humanity and being kicked out of every country they tried to subvert and occupy for thousands of years.
I wonder why.
I wonder why you have failed so miserably in life.
Because you Jews have and continue to fuck up everything beyond any recognition. I know this because I live among you cockroaches. Life was better when you weren't around in my neighborhood.
T-Nutz: That was the first thing I checked. He is serving someone's purposes and this combined with his past actions has pushed to allow this disease to spread in the US. He has previously stated that restricting travel from parts of Africa to the US would actually INCREASE the risk of ebola in the US. When they make statements this stupid you know there is an agenda, and that agenda is to allow ebola to take hold in the US.
He also came up through the NYC system and is a known commodity and facilitator.
I believe the previous head of the CDC, please check my info., was Dr. Julie L Gerberding. Also jewish. Guess what her current position appears to be, president of Merck Vaccines.
There are no coincidences in this, it is planned.
Where is Francis Sawyer and why were his words of truth in these matters silenced from ZH, as have others. Where is Bank Guy from Brussels? Was he the banker who was gunned down with his family in Brussels some time after the person posting was kicked off ZH?
And they use their Jewish-controlled MSM to gin up fear and get everyone to line up for their "vaccines" sooner or later.
That's how Jews roll, doing their version of God's work.
BGIB stopped posting on The Slog at the same time as here.
He may well be sleeping with the fishes.
Again, when a central government claims dominion over all matters of human affairs, when that government has created a entirely new body of law and governance (Administrative Law...rule making with the effect of law) that has grown into the cellular structure of a society, then the partnership between gov't and the largest corporate entities is as predictable as the sun rising in the east.
>> someone born a Jew deserves their derision
I'd say it's his ACTIONS and his WORDS that are causing people to be derisive towards the little fucktard.
We were all put here to have the top jobs but unfortunately something happened to the top jobs and the authorities who speak for the culture.
Typical of the authorities these days, including the Jewish leaders who speak for the financial industry, this CDC authority quickly blames the victims and the hospital for the Ebola transmission.
So is such buck passing a function of Jewish genetics, or the function of an unaccountable bureaucracy of a gigantic central government?
Just so happens, this "gigantic central government" is run by, Guess who?
Who?