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Ron Paul: "Liberty, Not Government, Is Key To Containing Ebola"
Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute of Peace & Prosperity,
According to Forbes magazine, at least 5,000 Americans contacted healthcare providers fearful they had contracted Ebola after the media reported that someone with Ebola had entered the United States. All 5,000 cases turned out to be false alarms. In fact, despite all the hype about Ebola generated by the media and government officials, as of this writing there has only been one preliminarily identified case of someone contracting Ebola within the United States.
Ebola is a dangerous disease, but it is very difficult to contract. Ebola spreads via direct contact with the virus. This usually occurs though contact with bodily fluids. While the Ebola virus may remain on dry surfaces for several hours, it can be destroyed by common disinfectants. So common-sense precautions should be able to prevent Ebola from spreading.
It is no coincidence that many of those countries suffering from mass Ebola outbreaks have also suffered from the plagues of dictatorship and war. The devastation wrought by years of war has made it impossible for these countries to develop modern healthcare infrastructure. For example, the 14-year civil war in Liberia left that country with almost no trained doctors. Those who could leave the war-torn country were quick to depart. Sadly, American foreign aid props up dictators and encourages militarism in these countries.
President Obama’s response to the Ebola crisis has been to send 3,000 troops to West African countries to help with treatment and containment. Obama did not bother to seek congressional authorization for this overseas military deployment. Nor did he bother to tell the American people how long the mission would last, how much it would cost, or what section of the Constitution authorizes him to send US troops on “humanitarian” missions.
The people of Liberia and other countries would be better off if the US government left them alone. Leave it to private citizens to invest in African business and trade with the African people. Private investment and trade would help these countries develop thriving free-market economies capable of sustaining a modern healthcare infrastructure.
Legitimate concerns about protecting airline passengers from those with Ebola or other infectious diseases can best be addressed by returning responsibility for passenger safety to the airlines. After all, private airlines have a greater incentive than does government to protect their passengers from contagious diseases. They can do so while providing a safe means of travel for those seeking medical treatment in the United States. This would remove the incentive to lie about exposure to the virus among those seeking to come here for treatment.
Ebola patients in the US have received permission from the Food and Drug Administration to use “unapproved” drugs. This is a positive development. But why should those suffering from potentially lethal diseases have to seek special permission from federal bureaucrats to use treatments their physicians think might help? And does anyone doubt that the FDA’s cumbersome approval process has slowed down the development of treatments for Ebola?
Firestone Tire and Rubber Company has successfully contained the spread of Ebola among 80,000 people living in Harbel, the Liberian town housing employees of Firestone's Liberian plant and their families. In March, after the wife of a Firestone employee developed Ebola symptoms, Firestone constructed its own treatment center and implemented a program of quarantine and treatment. Firestone has successfully kept the Ebola virus from spreading among its employees. As of this writing, there are only three Ebola patients at Firestone's treatment facility.
Firestone's success in containing Ebola shows that, far from justifying new state action, the Ebola crises demonstrates that individuals acting in the free market can do a better job of containing Ebola than can governments. The Ebola crisis is also another example of how US foreign aid harms the very people we are claiming to help. Limiting government at home and abroad is the best way to protect health and freedom.
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There goes my President...
Ross Perot?
Wow what an ignorant article. Anyone remember small pox? You know, that extremely deadly virus that killed humans in large numbers for thousands of years? You think ebola sucks look up pictures of people with small pox.
Anyway, it's basically been irradicated inspite of fools like Ron Paul who tried to fight compulsory vaccination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
Wonder where Paul would've been on that decision?
"...you see, free markets, and like freedom and like private sector and like more freedom. And then no more small pox. The end."
The League warned about what they believed were the dangers of vaccination and the dangers of allowing the intrusion of government and science into private life, part of the broader process identified with the Progressive Movement.
Worked out pretty fucking well actually, any of you got small pox?
I love RP, but this article demonstrates the limitation of a pure ideology. Airlines are aleady private and they have done shit to contain anything. Firestone Tire and Rubber Company covered up the Wilderness AT and ATX problem for years and hundreds of people died, thousands were seriously injured in the name of profit. This is one of those times that people need to get together and work together to stop a common foe, and profit motive won't cut it.
Yup... he misses the mark occassionally due to excessive ideology...
"After all, private airlines have a greater incentive than does government to protect their passengers from contagious diseases."
Missed the obvious responsibility for governments to do what they can to protect their own citizens from ebola. You know... like banning flights from infected regions like several governments in Africa already do...
Still love the guy though.
Oh, you're good. I like you :-)
Hey Ron, unfortunately you can't wish Ebola away. Epidemics don't care which party you vote for. Public health safety nets are one of the key reasons that we don't get millions wiped out by disease every couple of years
Its just a media epidemic for now. Love to see that washed away.
NO NO NO!
only MSA,3M and Honeywell are the key to contain Ebola, because they produces Powered Air Purifying Respirator (PAPR)
Listen PP,
Are those your "CRAMER" stock picks-of-the-day?
OH!
Seriously folks.
If I could wish one wiseman to live for 500 years, it would be Ron Paul.
"The people of Liberia and other countries would be better off if the US government left them alone."
Classic.
there is no free market competition in the airline industry. it's extremely heavily regulated and subsidized. the pure ideology requires pure free markets. if the airlines couldnt depend on those govenrment subisides and zero competition from new firms entering the market, they would have immediately taken precautions against the outbreak.
the reason that the airlines havent done anything is because our current system is that of fascism, rife with the mindset of TBTF. ron paul is still right.
Which regulation prevented any airline from ceasing a travel route to or from Africa? I live in the U.S. Airlines seem to have no problem cutting off service/routes to anywhere they want at any time here. Care to back up your ideology with some facts?
And P.S. Fascism is the merger of corporations and the state. Who do you think bribes the other?
It is fear of government and political correctness. Remember insurance companies talking about Obamacare and getting audited? I think any rational airline would have a stock surge if they banned at-risk passengers, destinations and did some basic decontamination procedures.
Insurance companies wrote Obamacare. Check out the stock price of United Health. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=UNH+Basic+Chart&t=5y
Airlines already treat us like criminals. You are mad at something, but you have been brainwashed into thinking the corporations (who own the government) are the answer.
LetThemEatRand Insurance companies wrote Obamacare. Check out the stock price of United Health. http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=UNH+Basic+Chart&t=5y
Airlines already treat us like criminals. You are mad at something, but you have been brainwashed into thinking the corporations (who own the government) are the answer.
----
Hardly.
Robert Creamer wrote over 600 pages of Obamacare. Just another progressive. And BTW, Creamer is a convicted felon of the Dem party. He doesn't like Insurance companies and knows that a socialized health care system will bankrupt private insurance companies.
Let you eat rand.
Which regulation prevented any airline from ceasing a travel route to or from Africa? "
That would be the "speak no ill of the negro or get called a racist" regulation. It's the unwriten law that you libtards have implemented that governs damn near everything these days.
Enjoy your ebola laden bodily fluids fresh off the airplane - you've earned it!
Yes, the unwritten regulation. I knew one of you asshole Drudgies would have the answer.
Do you deny his allegation that political correctness has something to do with this?
Listen Now.
It has almost nothing to do with this.
Your USSA government needs African resources to survive. China is in tight with Africa and they actually appreciate and welcome the Chinese. Africans dis-like Americans and the Israeli leaders of America know this. So to "TRY" to overcome this they put Obammy in office, and have their Israeli-American broadcast network(CBS,NBC,ABC,NPR,on-and-on) pump your brains fully of nagger worship 24/7. They then force municipal USSA police to "LET THEM RUN FREE" and do as they wish for they are AFRICAN. Get it?
Then they release the virus in Africa and when things get bad they swoop in and "SAVE" Africa.
Now who owns the right to extract resources?
perhaps i didnt make my point clearly enough. this a a problem of moral hazard. these airlines know they can rely on the safety net created by the government. if people want to fly, they have to use one of the companies that form the oligopily. there are no alternatives. the airlines know this and act accordingly. there is no government regulation that you speak of, the problem stems from the fact that 1. they can blame the government if anything happens, and 2. they wont bear the brunt of what happens because their losses are socialized, and 3. they have no fear of competition from other non-oligopoly airlines or other forms of transportation.
i used the term fascism precisely because it describes the current situation. the state created safety net stops the free markets from working.
The airlines will not decontaminate the airplanes because to do so effectively would be too expensive. Sure they might spray some stuff around that makes the airplane smell clean, but get rid of the bugs? No fucking way. Airplanes are filth traps.
Yup... he misses the mark occassionally due to excessive ideology...
"After all, private airlines have a greater incentive than does government to protect their passengers from contagious diseases."
Missed the obvious responsibility for governments to do what they can to protect their own citizens from ebola. You know... like banning flights from infected regions like several governments in Africa already do...
Still love the guy though.
Yes, that bit caught my eye too. He's certainly right that the West's meddling in Africa has led to more and bloodier civil wars and mayhem, which of course damages their ability to create prosperity (and decent health clinics).
You may think that Ebola's ~20 day gestation period means airlines have little incentive to stop travel from countries where the epidemic is spreading.. but... if an airline's staff acquire the disease I think it's pretty safe to say that's the end of the company... and the value of executives' share options.
I suspect corporate 'leaders' are just pretty much the same as the government in this regard - it's been so long since the West had a devastating pandemic that everyone has become just a little bit too complacent about the risks.
Firestone was simply sacrificed instead of acknowledging the true fact that is SUVs are inherently dangerous. Most consumers know that they don't care because they need to impress their friends and neighbors with how expensive and large sized vehicle they can afford. They add extra pollution and they consume limited fossil fuel's but they don't care about everybody else.
In a two year period, Firestone Wilderness AT tires suffered hundreds of tread separations. Goodyear tires -- equipped on an identical number of Ford Explorers over the same time period -- had one.
"The peer tire that is most suitable for comparison with the focus tires is the Goodyear P235/75R15 Wrangler RT/S, designed and manufactured for use as OE on Ford Explorers in MY 1995-1997. During this period, Ford used approximately the same number of these Goodyear tires as it did Firestone P235/75R15 tires (about 2.4 million tires), yet there has only been 1 tread separation claim involving an OE Goodyear tire on an Explorer compared to 486 such claims involving OE Firestone tires used on Explorers in during that period." http://www.nhtsa.gov/nhtsa/announce/press/Firestone/firestonesummary.htm...
And the Explorer of that vintage was also a death trap that was never recalled.
I wonder if Firestone would have continued to produce these tyres if government hadn't imposed limited liability laws on the market, thereby limiting the personal liability of shareholders, staff and executives to legal action by the relatives of the people who were killed/maimed by their products?
You mention corporations bribing governments; but you seem to forget that corporate legal privileges are the creation of governments.
But I want Ebola to wipe out urban progressives and Africans, who will be most suseptible to getting infected. It will unfortunately be a bust like bird flu or AIDs, but I can always hope for mass death of scumbags.
Google old tires and the diseases that come from mosquitoes living in them and you will see how responsible Firestone is.
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/smallpox
I can't thank Edward Jenner, but the last time I checked, he didn't work for the British government.
There's a lot of truth to this actually.
For the record he's a relative actually.
When I think of the crimes being committed in the name of science I often think of that guy actually.
The Ebola has been freed. Is there a free market solution? Absolutely.
Is there a Government solution too?
Yep.
Right now we have neither in the USA and the combination might end up being lethal...but we'll see.
That nurse better live.
Her life is the personal responsibility of the head of the CDC in my view.
So far this has been the public/private partnership from hell.
I can't thank Edward Jenner, but the last time I checked, he didn't work for the British government.
Actually he did.
Jenner's continuing work on vaccination prevented him from continuing his ordinary medical practice. He was supported by his colleagues and the King in petitioning Parliament, and was granted £10,000 in 1802 for his work on vaccination. In 1807, he was granted another £20,000 for his continuing work in microbiology.
In 1803 in London, he became involved with the Jennerian Institution, a society concerned with promoting vaccination to eradicate smallpox. In 1808, with government aid, this society became the National Vaccine Establishment. Jenner became a member of the Medical and Chirurgical Society on its founding in 1805 and presented a number of papers there. The society is now the Royal Society of Medicine.
Eventually, vaccination was accepted, and in 1840, the British government banned variolation – the use of smallpox to induce immunity – and provided vaccination using cowpox free of charge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Jenner
Yea and vaccines cause no problems. Then why do they have this program.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bsuy7TsBe8
No link between autism and MMR shots... nope.
James,
Government did not invent the small pox vaccine. When people saw that those who received the vaccine lived, while those who refused died - the law of natural selection would have taken over.
Your all knowing, all powerful government was not needed.
When people saw that those who received the vaccine lived, while those who refused died - the law of natural selection would have taken over.
Not quite how it works.
Someone above provided this handy link, go ahead and cure your ignorance:
http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/smallpox
Massachusetts was not only known for forced vaccinations, it was also known for forced sterilizations. And it still today might be the only state where schools can and do legally torture children with electric shocks.
I'll pay a $5 fine to not be vaccinated or tortured, thank you.
Let's defer to the genuises on the Supreme Court. Forced sterilization and forced vaccination go hand in hand--the 14th Amendment is rendered moot when an arrogant government deems itself to be infallible in knowing what's in the interest of the public good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_v._Bell
Anybody who supports forced vaccination undoubtedly supports forced sterilization, too. They might deny it out of political correctness, is all.
--the 14th Amendment is rendered moot when an arrogant government deems itself to be infallible in knowing what's in the interest of the public good.
wtf are you rambling about? This isn't an unknown outcome, the history is all there on small pox.
You're probably the guy at the bar who after a few drinks is all "gawddamnit to this day i'd still go long BSC @ 62 mar 12 2008!! shit was a steal! Fuck the haters!"
Oh, Jacobson v. Massachusetts? As in the case cited by Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. of the Supreme Court as the prior ruling justifying mandatory government sterilization?
http://exhibits.hsl.virginia.edu/eugenics/3-buckvbell/
The sword of the State is sharpened on both sides, you know...
It's like you all are stuck in 1901 and have yet to experience the next 100 yrs of history where the extremely contagious / very deadly small pox is eradicated via a co-ordinated global compulsory vaccination program. A success which is replicated against many other viruses etc.
Has shit-all to do with sterilization.
The fault I see in this theory is he still believes the "masses" will know or care enough to come together and do something or just continue with their slavery.
"5,000 Americans contacted healthcare providers fearful they had contracted Ebola after the media reported that someone with Ebola had entered the United States."
You could not demostrate the stupidity of the R & D sheeple any better. We might be better off embracing this Ebola rather than enduring the long term suffering that these sheeple are going to put themselves through.
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do...
www.job-reports.com
LIBERTY "The love of liberty brought us here" President James Monroe USA Monrovia Liberia
Freedom is the key to everything. Eliminating government is the key to freedom...
Endeaver to persevere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdlqMmuD89U
The great lie of history is that governments are a net good.
Ron should have been Pres.
I voted for him and would again (despite some significant disagreements). He believes in ending the Fed and dismantling the MIC. I would be happy to worry about the other details with him (or someone like him) battling the banksters from the oval office.
Agree but TPTB would never allow him to take office if elected...there would be an unfortunate nail gun accident (or something else just as ludicrous) that would render him unable to serve. The Deep State protects itself.
You tell 'em Ron. The ebola virus is sure to flee from right wing ideology.
If everyone just did what Ron Paul told them to do, the world would be a much better place.
Why can't free thinking people see that?
Why do free thinking people need somebody to tell them what to do?
Hey, not everyone understands logic homez.
Or sarcasm.
"You tell 'em Ron. The ebola virus is sure to flee from right wing ideology"
I'm guessing you're down to one string on your Obama banjo and thats the best tune you can play.
"Ebola Quarantine Expert"
http://thechive.com/2014/10/14/daily-afternoon-randomness-49-photos-383/...
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/health/texas-ebola-nurses-union-claims/ind...
not difficult to contract when you have above going on. Contained? not.
If true that is so far out there that screwed does not begin to cover it. Points I grabbed from the article/video:
Firestone Tire and Rubber better than Obama?
Isn't that racist somehow, Ron"
Tires are black, so in this day and age that's bound to be racist somehow.
Limiting government at home and abroad is the best way to protect health and freedom.
Nope. Typing it myself doesn't make me believe it, either.
Fuck you, Ron Paul.
"Fuck you, Ron Paul."
Nope - Fuck YOU Pointless.
You just cursed the president. Shame shame.
How could the State possibly fuck this up further? .... Oh, wait.....
give them time, you will be amazed at the ability of the state to pecker up this deal even worse but the upside is even government workers not believing the shit that runs out of their cock suckers.
Agree with RP. But don't worry, we will all kill each other in due time.
Enter the controlled opposition pressure release valve
Lots of reactions to problems (even if accurate) and such a broad solution that it means nothing
Now if Ron Paul had founded say - The Ron Paul Institute of Recalls and Boycotts: and his stated mission was to return American's freedoms by bankrupting local, city, and state governments with boycotts and draining every penny from the major party candidates at all levels with endless legal challenges and recalls when they did not do what they swear to do upholding their oath in the broadest sense of the Founding Fathers intended meaning
Then I would be praising him
But you'll never see anything even remotely close to a detailed solution and him leading it. I would have thought everyone that claims to be awake would realize this by now. But based on the endless praises for him many of you just don't get it
Now if Ron Paul had founded say - The Ron Paul Institute of Recalls and Boycotts: and his stated mission was to return American's freedoms by bankrupting local, city, and state governments with boycotts and draining every penny from the major party candidates at all levels with endless legal challenges and recalls
Right. Because Ron Paul has unlimited wealth to pay one bunch of lawyers to sue anotehr bunch of lawyers who get to write the laws in the first place.
Genius.
You must be an America. You've been trained well by your globalist slave master overlords. Keeping following controlled opposition and turning solutions into problems and you'll rise high up in the hierarchy
The solution was presented. How you expand and achieve those goals is up to someone with outstanding ingenuity, leadership skills and the willingness to risk all and be held accountable. Something neither you nor Ron Paul seem to possess. If you have a better idea present it. Otherwise, take your defeatist RP doesn't have the resources to succeed attitude with you to your enslavement
If there aren't enough Americans that care about their freedom and just want to complain about it instead of doing something then you'll find out fast enough by crowd funding it with some publicity. Adjust the scope and target what you can with what you raise. Start small and set an example if there isn't enough in initial interest
Maybe you could get one the 100's of Generals that were fired because of globalist traitors to be the face for the initiative. Don't count on their commitment. They've likely been bought off or threatened into silence. And refuse their leadership or active participation. Because there is a significant chance they will be used to sabotage the effort. They should be the figurehead only. And all comments by them scripted
So there you have it I've presented a 30 second solution and a high level plan. You have presented problems and excuses. Which one of us has a better chance of being free from the globalists someday?
Now tires could potentially spread Ebola!
FIRESTONE, LIBERIA
http://content.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,975010271001_2075932,0...
Time to re-tire
Rong Paul...
I thought it was gonna be a picture of Rand...
For every one part RP awesomeness there is at minimum 1 part lunacy.
<-Total lunatics. Prolly rayciss.
That is pretty much SPOT ON and well done.
It is the lunacy that keeps me listening to him. Think it all the way through ....
RON PAUL 2012
I am suspicious whenever two generations of the same name get mentioned in the same breath as presidential material....
The absolute last thing we need is some genetic thingie going on related to presidents.
Dude, my husband's a biochemist in the biopharm industry. I've been hearing about viruses for 30 years. Viruses mutate. It's their job, it's what they do. I sometimes agree with Dr. Paul on economic issues, but on this health issue he is wrong. Dead wrong.
Dude, Dr. Paul has been an M.D. longer than you've been alive. He might know a thing or two about germs.
Funny how this thread turned into a bash on Ron Paul and on Firestone. Firestone has in fact contained Ebola in its little corner of western Africa, something governments have proven themselves incapable of doing. Hospitals would be wise to follow Firestone's model of isolation. And not patch their hazmat suits using plugs without patches.
Coming to you soon at a tire repair shop near you:
'HAMAT SUITS PLUGGED HERE, GET ONE PLUGGED AND YOUR NEXT ONE IS FOR FREE'
is he a part time scientologist?
"The people of Liberia and other countries would be better off if the US government left them alone. Leave it to private citizens to invest in African business and trade with the African people. Private investment and trade would help these countries develop thriving free-market economies capable of sustaining a modern healthcare infrastructure."
So this is going to happen in 21 days? Come on, RP. You're a doctor for fuck's sake. You really want to wait until free enterprise solves this by coming into Africa over the next few years (or decades) to fix it? Have you become senile? And I thought you believed in what the Founders established.
Let me apologize to all those who love Ron Paul whom I also loved until I woke up. Ron Paul is nothing more than an avenue for those disenfranchised whith the rep. and dem, BS platform that which is fed to us on a daily basis He talks about Firestone the same company that had defective tires in the 90's that killed many people due to their tread coming off and compromising traction of said vehicle(s) and in many instances caused several deaths which never really paid out and was able to deflect the problem to tires being plugged. Firestone is the reason you can't have a tire plugged at any professional tire shop today. You can still buy a tire plug kit and do it yourself but a professional business will NOT!. Thank you Firestone! Nice job Ron Paul! We thank you for talkin the talk.
This article is indeed a disappointment on many levels.
"You can still buy a tire plug kit and do it yourself but a professional business will NOT!."
No idea what kind of fucked up State you live in, but here in Alabama you can have a tire plugged all day long.
For free in a lot of places.
I had a slow leak and the local tire place plugged it - no charge.
It's amazing how you can blame Ron Paul for something that simply isn't true. But don't let facts and reality get in the way of a great contrarian internet rant!
Plugs are fine for tire repair, but if you have a failure and someone is hurt the tire company will blame you for plugging the tire. Official RMA -- Rubber Manufacturers Productive Types Association -- guidelines (thanks to the Firestone debacle) require plug and patch. Here is the fact if you care. http://www.rma.org/tire-safety/tire-repair/
You can apologize to the other poster if you wish. For being right. Or downvote me for you being wrong and being called out.
The bottom line is that I, or any business can plug a tire. Period. The statement that Ron Paul made plugging a tire impossible is just fucking bullshit. Of course, you refuse to acknowledge that. As usual.
Blame? You can blame anybody for anything. Grow the fuck up and take responsibility for yourself, your decisions and your actions and quit looking for somebody to cover your ass.
I swear the moral cowardice of the libtard is bottomless.
It's funny, because if you plug a tire and your customer gets hurt, the tire company will blame you. If you plug your own tire and your child dies after a tire failure and you sue the tire company for making a shitty tire (even if it is recalled -- ask Firestone), they will blame you for plugging the tire and not also taking it off the rim and patching it. They will ask you to take personal responsibility for killing your child. And you will know that it's bullshit. But that would have to happen to you to understand the hypocrisy of the personal responsibility meme of conservatards.
LOL, you both twisted the argument for your own means, very funny,your both half right, you can still get tires plugged in some states and you may face liability if the plug fails and there is a crash, you get a point each.
Funny.
Both of these dancing monkeys are right AND wrong. But they don't know that, because they's monkeys that are dancing.
I wonder if they wear wingtips?
"The statement that Ron Paul made plugging a tire impossible is just fucking bullshit" I must have missed something cause I sure in the hel didn't say anything of the sorts nor did I blame Ron Paul for anything. Sometimes I swear posting here is like talking to my wife as in "How the hell did you get all that from what I just said" lol
Well, we'd probably contain this thing if we would
STOP FLIGHTS FROM AFFECTED COUNTRIES.
The airlines can suspend service if they want. They do it all the time. So I guess both big oligarch controlled government AND free enterprise don't give a shit about us. Who knew?
"The airlines can suspend service if they want."
Sure - and the President and your fellow libtards will scream racism until the Ebola's come home.
The funny thing is that the big city libtards are the ones paying the price for their own politically correct idiocy - and rightfully so.
Enjoy sleeping in those beds you folks begged for. lol.
Any explanation is possible if you see the world in black and white, as you do. And no, I'm not referring to race.
Understanding grey only comes when black and white does not work anymore. For some, they are never forced to question it. From others much is taken before they do. Grey is where compasion is. You have to have it for yourself first. Once you have that, you are sort of stuck with the damn stuff the rest of your life, the ability to take on the role of the other.
Anger can certainly take me back into black and white for a few minutes, but then dammit, there goes those other shades, the ability to see the other side, or, the ability to see how black and white are manipulated towards an end, rather than representations of the truth.
Don't mean to intrude. Something you said upthread got me thinking and I put it together here. The killer is, I am stuck with compassion for those stuck in black and white. They don't have to have (and usually will not have) compassion for me! Great Koan.
Well, its about money, as always, a suspension of flights would rock airline share prices even more and make people think that maybe there is a real problem which could have unpredictable consequences and that might hurt share prices generally
Nobody gives a shit about anbody else. The ones with the guns (.gov) are rarely challenged. the corporations, if not owned by the .gov, can at least be punnished by the consumer.
Ebola is a fucking lie in Africa.
Formaldehyde, causing ebola like symptoms and death, is being placed in Liberian wells.
http://www.liberianobserver.com/security/breaking-formaldeyde-water-alle...
People dressed as nurses being chased out of towns for killing children with fake vaccinations.
HOAX! LIBERAL MEDIA FEAR-MONGERING! NOBODY IS SICK WITH EBOLA IT NEVER HAPPENED. THIS IS THE TRUTH. IF THIS WAS A REAL PROBLEM THE NUMBERZZ WOULD BE SO MUCH HIGHER NOW111! BECAUSE IT IS GOING EXPONENTIAL BITCHES!! BUT NOTICE THERE ARE NO PHOTOS!!!!!!!! TOTAL HOAX FOR DUH SHEEPLES WHO ARE ASSLEEP. YOU CAN ONLY GET EBOLA (WHICH ISN’T EVEN REAL BUT IS A PLOT) FROM EATING FRUIT BATS AND MONKY MEAT BBQ AND HAVING SEX WITH MONKY LIKE IN AFRICA. EBOLA IS JUST LAME-STREAM MEDIA HYPE THAT WILL NEVER COME TO AMERICA AND IT’S THE FED ALSO TRYING TO CRASH THE ECONOMY !!LOL!!. IT'S ALL A CIA PLOT!!1 THE DOCTORS ARE IN IT FOR THE MONEIZ!! THE CDC AND WHO IS CORRUPT VACCINES CAUSE MENTAL ILLNESS AND THEY KNOW IT ON PURPOSE. THE FDA BANS RAW MILK BUT IMPORTS EBOLA LOLOLOLLLL! THERE IS NO EBOLA VACCINE EXCEPT FOR THE ELITES, AND THE VACCINE WILL MAKE EVERYONE STERILE SO BUG-OUT. THE FBI IS SPREADING EBOLA TO TAKE AWAY OUR FREEDUMS. IT'S SOCIALISM I TELL YOU THE END OF AMERICA THEY ARE IMPORTING EBOLA (WHICH IS A HOAX JUST LIKE 9/11!!) TO START THE DIE-OFF SO THE ELITES CAN TAKE OUR GOLD!!!!!!! AND GUNS!! IT’S A ZIONIST PLOT COOKED UP BY THE JEW-YORK FED ZIONIST COMMIES!!! WT7 WAS A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION AND A HOAX LIKE EBOLA AND AIDS! IT'S BEEN WEAPONIZED BY THE CIA IN NIGERIA I KNOW A GUY WHO WORKED IN THE LAB. I SAW IT ON DISCOVERY CHANNEL. IF YOU DON'T BELIEVIE ME THEN READ THE BIBLE IT'S ALL THERE. AL GORE THOUGHT THIS UP ALONG WITH HIS HOKEY STICK AND CHEM-TRAILS. THE DUMBOCRATS AND THE LIBBBBERALS WANT TO KILL AL HUMANS TO MAKE THE WORLD SAFE FOR SNAIL DARTERS SO WE GET GLOBAL EBOLA WARMING BUT IT'S ALL A FEAR-MONGERING HOAX WTFLOL!!1!!!1!!! TAKE VITAMIN-C AND YOU CAN'T CATCH IT BECAUSE EBOLA IS JUST LIKE SCURVY, AND COLLOIDAL SILVER IS ANTIVIRAL YOU SHOULD TAKE 100 GRAMS A DAY OF SILVER. A GUY GOT EBOLA AND CURED HIMSELF BY SMOKING POT AND DRINKING RAW MILK, THAT'S RIGHT, EXCEPT THE FDA. BUT ALL THIS IS A HOAX!11!! ZIONISTS THEY ARE LETTING AFRICANS COME TO AMERICA WITH FREE TICKETS AND TEH TSA IS IN ON IT TO KILL US ALL OFF. PREZ OBOLA IS MURDERING US ON COMMAND FROM TPTB, BECAUSE HE IS NOT A CITIZEN SO IMPEACH!. HE'S FROM KENYA WHERE THEY WEAPONIZED EBOLA 50 YEARS AGO LIKE WITH AIDS. IS THERE ANY EBOLA IN ISRAEL NO THERE ISN;T BECAUSE ZIONISTS. AND NONE IN ICELAND EITHER AND YOU KNOW ABOUT THOSE GUYS THEY ARE ALIENS. AND IT'S A GIANT HOAX DON"T FALL FOR IT!1!!1!!!eleventy! BECAUSE THE LIZARD SPACEMEN FROM THE GAS MINES AROUND URANUS THEY WANT OUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!!11! AND GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And you my friend are a stooge whose only goal is to distract from my message from the Major daily news in Liberia.
Yes your truth from the towering pages of truth and light the Liberian Observer, the most factual and most read and trusted publication the world around. bwaaaahhhaaaaaa
And what do you have to counter the article? Pure bullshit and nothing more.
At least Liberians know not to trust everything they read in newspapers, which makes them smarter than you.
Since your intellectual superiors in Liberia an average tested IQ of 67... when we talk about retards- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU.
Only internet geniuses (retards) could confuse ingestion of an aqueous solution of formaldehyde with ebola infection because some of the symptoms are identical... then again with 5000 false alarms just in the USSA... you're not alone (unfortunately for us).
I volunteer you and doofus above for the first vaccinations against "obola". It appears that Liberians with an IQ of 67 are smarter than you.
You continue to provide circumstantial evidence that your IQ is below 67.
You have called ebola a hoax and implied that what is being blamed on ebola is actually due to formaldehyde poisoning (which is non-transmissible).
Do you have any grasp of HOW STUPID (not to mention impossible) what you are suggesting is? Not even the article you cite suggests the lunacy you do.
And what exactly do you have to refute the article? Exactly nothing.
That article doesn't even say ebola is hoax, that's how fucking stupid you (and everyone else who "thinks" like you) are.
You still haven't explained person to person transmission of formaldehyde poisoning. Much less presented any actual evidence that ebola is hoax.
Retard is too nice. Or is someone paying you to spread the stupid sauce in public places?
Hey Cliff,
Nows I knows a little sumtin' about you're unique post, the question is, what all do I know from it?
LOL, you had me for the first couple of lines, then I realized you were having us all on, very well done.
@cliff
...speakin of pot...
iBola
I ask you ZHers how a response like this could be anything other than a .gov stooge. This in itself gives credibility to the Liberian article in question.
Here are the toxic side effects of formaldehyde and related substances:
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/mmg/mmg.asp?id=216&tid=39
You should read up on the possible side effects of pregnancy (or cialis consumption) and avoid anything that could result procreation.
Ah. Attacking the messenger rather than the message is your lovely little distraction.
Look retard, I was attacking the message. If you don't know what an ad hominem is, or how to spot one, perhaps you should crawl back under your rock with the rest of the lower life forms.
When you can respond to the issue I raised with regard to symptoms, or provide any evidence of formaldehyde poisoning in all regions currently experiencing ebola outbreaks (which would be the minimum standard for even examining your hypothesis that ebola is a hoax, and and can be explained by formaldehyde poisoning), I might treat you with the respect and dignity generally afforded a member of the human race.
Even though I don't agree with everything Ron Paul says or some of his ideology, I do respect him more than any other politician. He is the only one who actually stood for something and ran with it. Not just flip flopping on issues to whatever the polls say is popular.
He's got that right duke.
Mr Paul I am no big fan of big or small government but liberty is not always the solution. You have west Africans breaking down quarantine camps to set their friends and relatives free from the Ebola compounds and other Ebola carriers are escaping Ebolaville so that they may seek liberty here in the land of the free. (Free to spread Ebola)
Ron Paul has it exactly right. Once you decide it's OK to lose liberty, others will choose for you which liberties you lose. Liberty means we in the US are free to stop diseases from coming here. We've been doing that for over 100 years in the US. If West African nations were free, they would do the same thing. Ron Paul is saying they wouldn't be trying to get into the US, because they'd have their own top notch health care under a free society.
bardot63 Ron Paul has it exactly right. Once you decide it's OK to lose liberty, others will choose for you which liberties you lose. Liberty means we in the US are free to stop diseases from coming here. We've been doing that for over 100 years in the US. If West African nations were free, they would do the same thing. Ron Paul is saying they wouldn't be trying to get into the US, because they'd have their own top notch health care under a free society.
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Basically, when an employee's wife was found to be detected, she was put into isolation by Firestone. That prevented further spreading. She died. Yes, firestone protected its assets as our failed government is supposed to do. And I am not a fan of government. But it is the one thing it is Constitutionally supposed to do and it has failed.
I am betting that the TX nurse recovers. The idea of plasma donation from a survivor has been around for decades. It has about an 80% success rate. RP has turned himself into a joke and his followers have become jokes too. No one ever responds to the bills that RP tried to pass that were pork belly for TX. Once you become a politician as your main source of income, you are infected.
We are far past the line of correcting things without a reset of the US government and a new constitution the more explicitly limits government.
If I recall correctly many of the worlds freighters and tankers are registered in Liberia (and Panama).No safety checks on fire hoses and life rafts,etc. Crew are underpaid Laskars or other third worlders.Many of the vessels are rust buckets.So many great things from that area of the world. As to Ron Paul,he has his quirks,but speaks his mind.He has delivered thousands of babies to poor mothers in Texas with no health insurance and taken no welfare funds for it.Can any other Congressman claim as much? To describe the man as a lunatic would be to also describe his electorate as complete morons as they keep re-electing him for almost three decades now.
I invite any ZH'rs to walk into a Texas tavern and start loudly rubbishing him and his charachter.Might find the experience educational....
Paracelsus If I recall correctly many of the worlds freighters and tankers are registered in Liberia (and Panama).
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If I recall, many corporations are incorporated in DE. But have no operations there. Registration is just a gimmick. A tax.
here i must disagree with Ron
liberalism will solve Ebola problem but in a different way - it will simply let all ebola patients to die
the role of the government is to provide healthcare that private businesses would never provide - healthcare for the poor
Ron Paul has it exactly right. Once you decide it's OK to lose liberty, others will choose for you which liberties you lose. Liberty means we in the US are free to stop diseases from coming here. We've been doing that for over 100 years in the US. If West African nations were free, they would do the same thing. Ron Paul is saying they wouldn't be trying to get into the US, because they'd have their own top notch health care under a free society.
I sure hope you are not talking about your US Gov. The one that passes a healthcare bill that is almost 3000 pages long,that no member of congrees read! A deal that congress passes just 2 days after most of congress invests in the Insurance companies that are allowed to sell it, making a healthy profit after the bill is passes when the stock price increases. Insider trading is what it is called but not with your Gov, they are immune to almost everything that the minions are not.
Real healthcare is not mandated by a government which forces you to purchase it from a private company!
One of the biggest problems today is either the Gov has conned the people, or the people have conned the Gov, perhaps a lot of both, as to who is responsable for every facet of our lives, regardless of the ratio, neither are good for the people. Both empower the Gov to expand and tax with the blessing of the people. So now look where we are today. We have bloated gov's that spy on everything and everyone, mostly to protect the size and cost of goverment itself, under the guise of taking care of us when they are really only taking care of themselves.
Do you really think the US needs to spend what they do to protect you? or to protect them and their facist friends, who share with gov officials who help them.
Interesting comment from a WHO report released yesterday.....suggests 3% of incubations take between 1 and 42 days.
So NOT the 21 days as spouted by all and sundry so far.
and by that reasoning, 2% are unaccounted for...... i.e they take longer than 42 days to incubate???????????
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/ebola/14-october-2014/en/
http://currents.plos.org/outbreaks/article/on-the-quarantine-period-for-...
Background:
21 days has been regarded as the appropriate quarantine period for holding individuals potentially exposed to Ebola Virus (EV) to reduce risk of contagion. There does not appear to be a systematic discussion of the basis for this period.
Methods:
The prior estimates for incubation time to EV were examined, along with data on the first 9 months of the current outbreak. These provided estimates of the distribution of incubation times.
Results:
A 21 day period for quarantine may result in the release of individuals with a 0.2 – 12% risk of release prior to full opportunity for the incubation to proceed. It is suggested that a detailed cost-benefit assessment, including considering full transmission risks, needs to occur in order to determine the appropriate quarantine period for potentially exposed individuals.
Ebola vaccine to be deployed in Africa without being tested first.
http://www.naturalnews.com/047253_Ebola_vaccine_clinical_trials_outbreak...
Hmmm. Would you be willing to take this vaccine?
RON PAUL ONCE AGAIN DEMONSTRATES GOOFY BRAIN SYNDROME
HE GOT THIS DISEASE IN THE FOOTHILLS OF TEXAS
WHEN HE HAD SEX WITH A LIBERTARIAN GOAT
How do you get heavy radionuclides from a 1st generation GE fission reactor? Just add water & shake?
Ron Paul may be right in that our health care system CAN probably contain a few cases. But if (when) three cases becomes six, ten, twenty.... we could have real problems.
Also, these people in the affected countries also know they have a much greater chance of survival if they can make it to the US or another developed western country. They WILL (if they have the means) keep coming.
"Ebola is a dangerous disease, but it is very difficult to contract."
As anyone paying attention knows, tha above statement is obviously false. The reason Firestone's rubber tree farm community has bee able to deal with ebola successfully is due to the fact that they used CHEMICAL SPILL HAZMAT SUITS WHICH INCORPORATE RESPIRATORS IN THE SUIT DESIGN. This nonsense about ebola being difficult to catch is insulting to one's intellect.
Ron really is getting to be tiresome these days. I find it interesting a guy who feels the government should do nothing with anything was a politician for decades and tried to be president.
Makes no mistake, I am not a big government guy and value liberty yet jeez, Ron goes overboard. The comment about letting the airlines handle dealing with testing passengers is an example of this. They most likely won't do shit at least not until it was too late. Ron just lives in some dream world...
Actually he has this back to front. While a forceful, intrusive government stinks in most regards, it's ideal for containing a viral outbreak.
Isolation is the most effective and cheapest technique. Effective isolation requires force to quarantine infected individuals who won't comply. Such a concept is repulsive to a libertarian who would prefer liberty with the chance of death rather than oppression with a better chance of survival.
What I don't understand is why he has to lie about this. No, free enterprise is NOT going to do a better job of containment than a strong government would. Just face up to deaths as a cost of liberty.
Case in point, Cuba. Crippled by sanctions with limited access to high-tech healthcare, a messed up economy with limited enterprise, yet with the most successful HIV strategy in the world thanks to a heavy-handed government that enforces testing and quarantine.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2688320/
RP's so dazzled by his ideology that he's blinded to facts.
Consider your own body with its brutally authoritarian immune system (it literally kills any cells that don't stick to the program and destroys any objects that aren't familiar). Evolution selected for an overarching system that does not fuck around because that's what works, ugly as it is.
RP thinks the big government immune system should back off and let each organ come up with its own defence system. Perhaps he can explain how a complex interdependent system copes with a piecemeal program of organ failure?
The concern for America and many neoliberal OECD nations is that the government is actually weak and will hence mount a piecemeal response. So make sure you're in one of the pieces that defends well and don't expect an intact nation if a pandemic eventuates. A nation like China is more likely to defend well and remain intact.
Not that Ebola is likely to take us there, it lacks the required attributes, but it never hurts to be prepared.