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Second Ebola-Infected Nurse Identified, Was Symptomatic With 99.5 Degree Fever While Flying
Just about an hour ago, the CDC's Tom Frieden held a press conference in which he tried to diffuse the CDC's incompetence for a allowing healthcare workers who cared for the now deceased "Index Patient" Thomas Eric Duncan, to board a plane. A worker, who as was reported earlier today, was confirmed sick with the deadly virus. Still, in order to defend his agency from accusations of gross incompetence, of which it clearly is guilty, Frieden said that...
- NEW PATIENT HADN'T BEEN BLEEDING OR VOMITING BEFORE FLIGHT
... Although, he promptly pushed the ball of blame back in her court adding that:
- NEW PATIENT KNOWINGLY EXPOSED TO EBOLA,SHOULDNT HAVE FLOWN
But what is worse, is that as the WaPo reports the nurse had a fever of 99.5 degrees Fahrenheit before boarding a passenger jet on Monday, a day before she reported symptoms of the virus and was tested, according to public health officials. "Even though there appeared to be little risk for the other people on that flight, she should not have traveled that way, Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said during a news conference Wednesday."
“She should not have flown on a commercial airline,” Frieden said.
The reason he said that is that since she was clearly symptomatic, she was also contagious. Which explains why the CDC is scrambling to uncover all those passengers who may have flowen with her.
Furthermore, the nurse has now been identified: "The health-care worker was not identified by public health officials, but family members told Reuters and the Dallas Morning News that her name is Amber Vinson, a nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital. She was part of a team that had cared for Thomas Eric Duncan, a Liberian man who flew to Texas and was diagnosed with Ebola last month, during his hospitalization in Dallas. Duncan died last week. Nina Pham, a nurse who also cared for Duncan, was diagnosed with Ebola on Sunday."
And where it gets simply ridiculous is that not only did the nurse fly once, she flied a second time, this time from Cleveland to Texas on Monday.
Vinson, who flew from Dallas to Cleveland on Friday, flew back to Texas on Monday, a day after Pham was diagnosed. She reported a fever on Tuesday and was isolated and tested for Ebola.
Still, the fact that she boarded a commercial flight raises the question of how much the other 50 health-care workers who entered Duncan’s room could have traveled or moved around in recent days. The CDC recommends controlled movement on private flights or vehicles for people who may have been exposed to Ebola, Frieden said.
Meanwhile, the panic to contain the possible spread of the airborne virus is full blown: as WFAA reports, "Frontier Airlines says the plane stayed at DFW International Airport overnight, and has since been cleaned. It traveled to Cleveland on Tuesday and was cleaned again. The airline says Vinson traveled to Ohio from Dallas-Fort Worth on Flight 1142 on Oct. 10.
"The safety and security of our customers and employees is our primary concern. Frontier will continue to work closely with CDC and other governmental agencies to ensure proper protocols and procedures are being followed," the airline said in a press release.
Some other details:
Wednesday morning, Mayor Mike Rawlings confirmed that Vinson lives alone without pets at The Green in the Village Apartments, in the 6000 block of Village Bend near Skillman, just north of Lovers Lane.
Police and Dallas Fire-Rescue teams were at the complex early Wednesday, cleaning common areas and knocking on doors, communicating with neighbors. Reverse 911 calls were sent out at 6:15 a.m. to people who live in the area.
"We rallied together and we decided that we needed to move quickly like we did Sunday morning," Mayor Rawlings said.
He added that the state has hired a company to come in Wednesday afternoon and clean Vinson's apartment and car.
Like Pham, Vinson had also been involved in caring for Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian man who died of Ebola one week ago at Presbyterian. More than 70 hospital employees had been involved in that effort and are still being monitored.
So despite the epic Snafu that Tom Frieden has managed to achieve, and we fully expect that airplane travel will see a substantial decline until the Ebola pandemic is indeed contained, we will give him props for telling one piece of the truth this weekend, when he said that "more Ebola cases are likely going to emerge." At least this time, he was telling the truth.
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it's always the health-care giver's fault. CDC, gov't, officials aren't to blame! flights arriving constantly from africa, no worries....it's the healthcare giver's fault, damnit!
Selfish cocksucker.
But Obama says you cant get it using public transport...
http://thefederalist.com/2014/10/15/listening-to-president-obamas-ebola-...
So why does his CDC want to talk to all of these other passengers?
The narrative breaks down further.
Protip: If you actually palpate the Fear, please remember to wash up afterwards.
CDC can only issue ‘suggestions’ as the hospitals are private - fuck up #1 case study: texas presby had no protocls in place for infectious diseases of that level (shit costs $$) and had the infected guy sitting in emergency room with everyone else for something like an hr. Good job texas pres!
Now CDC will be sending in their own teams to check hospitals because some US hospitals have proved completely fucking incompetent.
So exactly how is this all CDCs fault? Oh they should’ve stepped in and started monitoring all the flights lol. I guess because everyone else is so fucking incompetent CDC will need to oversee everything..
Good news though, according to ron paul yesterday firestone tires and American airlines are independently working toward a cure for ebola so there’s nothing to worry about.
Everyone needs an Ebola vaccine (which won't be tested against ebola):
http://www.naturalnews.com/047253_Ebola_vaccine_clinical_trials_outbreak.html
FEAR-MONGERING ALERT!!!
Let's put this Ebola outbreak into perspective.
Facts:
1)The populations of Liberia, Guinea, Sierra Leone are respectively 4.3 millions, 11.75 millions, 6.1 millions. Total combined population is roughly: 22.15 millions.
2)In these three countries where most of the Ebola victims have been identified, 8000 have been diagnosed and 4500 have died.
3)The populations of these three countries live in densely populated area, and lack adequate sewage systems in their neighborhoods, sometimes running water. Their healthcare systems are primitive at best. Their populations are exposed to infected CORPSES lying in street, infected family members and neighbors.
4)Mortality rate has increased from 50% to 70%.
Analysis:
1)Even so we see a tiny fraction of .036% of the population getting infected and half of that dead over an 11 months outbreak.
2)So even living in these impoverished countries, your chance of dying from Ebola is minuscule in an 11 months period. Where are the millions of dead African???
3)With superior healthcare system, advanced sewage system in the US and Europe, the rate of infection and death should be VERY, VERY SMALL. There will be NO outbreak in USA or Europe.
4)TPTB has tried to scare the public again by announcing that the mortality rate has increased from 50% to 70%. This in fact is GREAT NEWS. It means that the virus has mutated into a dead end. For any parasitic organism, killing the host is a bad mutation. The higher the mortality rate the LESS likely it is for a person to be an ASYMPTOMATIC CARRIER. (Basic high school biology)
Repeat, this is a dead end mutation. This is GREAT NEWS.
Ebola doesn't look so fearsome after facts are examined, is it?
The real threat is the suspension of laws, civil rights, and grabbing of power by scaring the bejesus out of the population. Case in point: Connecticut. Everyone should be wary of this fear mongering. Everyday: ISIS, Ebola, ISIS, Ebola every fives minutes on TV. The real fear should be directed at The Power That Be.
Possible scenarios using Ebola fear mongering:
1)Crash market and bankers steal more money.
2)Escalate Syrian war.
3)Pass laws to clamp down internet.
4)Elect a traitor, globalist puppet as president of USSA.
You're all God's creatures, be brave. Don't be afraid.
Think for yourself. This is not a denial of Ebola. If after looking at facts and you still want to be scared, then by all means be scared.
Please copy and post this as many times as possible.
Let's vaccinate the entire country with untested vaccine while we're at it:
NIH pushing to vaccinate entire countries with Ebola vaccinehttp://www.naturalnews.com/047251_Ebola_vaccine_NIH_pharmaceutical_companies.html
The incompetence is staggering.
But then again, a lot of the funds that doctors and hospitals used to get are being sucked up by the Obamacare system and its insurance companies. (similar to the way the banking system works).
I am just curious as to when the Death Panels will be called in.
Obamacare likely to cost $300 billion more than thought – Congressional Budget Office
Technically, 99-100.4 is a TEMPERATURE. >100.4 is a fever.
I bet she had the fish ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir1rzzGugIU
Regards,
Cooter
The fear porn being pumped at us while the Fed's stock bubble pops is really well timed.
Everything was going well until ebola.
People have a natural tendency to put "Me" first, ahead of everyone else even if you place all the others at risk at risk.
It's only human nature. Freeden should know that, and so should Barry, and shut down all flights from Africa.
How many more healthcare people are you gonna toss under the bus there Dually?
So Tom if I was around a dark-chocolate black guy who sneezed is it MY BAD if I happen to go to the mall? Do I need to have an impromptu questionnaire ready for when I see a sweaty guy in African garb?
And why is that, Tom?
These fuckin CYA bastards chap my ass.
pods
She did not have nausea or vomit on the plane, so the risk to anyone around her is “extremely low,” Frieden said.
Tyler you missed the best part where he says the risk to anyone around her is extremely low. Yep WE GOT THIS!!!!
Nobody in their right mind can be paying attention to this lying, subversive, punk. He is death in a suit and tie.
Hell I doubt she even had a fever prior to boarding. He probably tossed her under the bus on that one too.
Basically anything coming out of that guys mouth is suspected to be a lie.
Hell, even the CDC website has when to contact doctors if you were in Liberia:
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/warning/ebola-liberia
pods
Check this out RIGHT FROM THE FUCKING CDC's own website:
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/11/3/04-0981_article
Some human cases in the recent outbreak in the Gabon/Republic of Congo region did not have a documented source of exposure to Ebola hemorrhagic fever. Similarly, 14 (4.9%) of the 284 cases in the 1976 Sudan outbreak (6) and 55 (17.4%) of the 316 cases during the 1995 outbreak in Kikwit (7), Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC, former Zaire), had no direct physical contact with an infected person or known infected carcass. These observations point to other routes of transmission (e.g., human-human respiratory tract infection through droplets and aerosols) or may suggest that other, unidentified animal sources may be involved in Ebola virus transmission to humans.
Allela L, Bourry O, Pouillot R, Délicat A, Yaba P, Kumulungui B, et al. Ebola virus in dogs and human risk. Emerg Infect Dis [serial on the Internet]. 2005 Mar. http://dx.doi.org/10.3201/eid1103.040981
If the underside of the Austin congress street bridge becomes infected, North and South America will be rotting with ebola for decades.
Why can't we all be Adrian Monk?
"She lived without pets" the Mayor said.
Wow thank God no pets.... /sarc
What a bonehead the Dallas Mayor is. He said earlier... "It's going to worse but then it will get better!"
Mayor of Dallas ... how about the Governor of Texas, Perry ?
Not a peep out of him as the States' residents and health care workers are thrown under the bus.
Hey, pods, don't get me wrong; I'm 100% in the health care peeoples' corner. This was thrust upon them from administrators, CDC and Barry, all of whom sit in their comfortabel offices pontificating while these poor nurses, doctors, janitors, etc are thrown to the dogs. Here's an example:
When a nurse supervisor demanded that he be moved into isolation, the supervisor "faced resistance from other hospital authorities," the nurses said.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/dallas-nurses-describe-ebola-hospita...
Oh sure the bean counters are not going to want to front this, especially when the chances of success are slim. Looks like they were pretty unprepared as well.
Just trying to illustrate that this girl was not Typhoid Mary on her own accord.
I guess from further information, she called them and they gave her the okay to fly. Basically the head don't know what the ass is doing.
pods
That leaves him a lot of wiggle room - 'worse' could be '50% of the population dead' and then 'better' could be 'fewer people dying now that the population's down 50%'.
About time the CDC's Tom Frieden fell on a sword and I mean that literally. What a fucking clown. You have a single case of Ebola that is supposedly not easy to spread and he channels 50+ health workers through the room without proper protection then lets them fly all over the country.
It would be almost impossible to do a worse job.
One contrary thought:
If you suppose that ebola will reach India, South America, Mexico, it might make sense to allow a few infections to take place in the USA now so that hospitals here can get some hands on experience before the main event.
The main event could very well destroy forever the cozy lives we have known, here.
TSA No Fly List was/is not in effect for the people who are being monitored????
Crickets...As no one thought of adding them to the list.
This is a full blown governmental melt down at all levels. It would be funny if Ebola was not so deadly.
Thank God I'm on the No-Fly List!!!
You might be worse off being on the No Fly list. If you need to fly then you have to fly privatly as No Fly stops you using regular commercial flights. Only problem is that the protocols for Ebola are for all suspected cases (like this nurse and her co-workers) to also fly private flights.
That raises your risk of catching Ebola as the stuff will remain in the headrest, seat and arms of that seat for 3 days (possibly longer).
The only upside is that most of the people who fly private (expensive) are executives such as bankers and Wall St types. Divine justice if the scum who caused the financial mess die in high numbers in pools of blood.
The airline said they cleaned the nurses plane. To their regular low standard to to a Hazmat level?
all this ebola stuff...and did the CDC and Obozo cut a deal with Major League Beisbol? All those folks, teams and fans CONGREGATING and NO EBOLA attack? What...no ISIS-Langely CIA goon flinging a bag of ebola diarrhea onto fans? Hoax Hoax, Fear Mongering. Go to Hell Obama and your cronies!
100.4 F is also a temperature.
and 99.5 might be an FM radio station.
Classic Rock, for sure.
99.4 here
New Hospital ER Guarantee/Promotion: If you wait longer than an hour to be treated for Ebola, we'll give you a voucher for free roundtrip airfare on Frontier Airlines for travel anywhere in the United States.
Thinking about shorting Frontier, then posting the tail number of the plane on facebook etc... Imagine the turmoil at the gate when one passenger realizes the plane they are getting on was flown by the nurse.
Ebola *is* the ultimate Death Panel. No appeals. No treatments provided. Bureaucrats sold separately.
"I am just curious as to when the Death Panels will be called in."
They're here now with this ebola thing.
Gosh you sheep just don't get it.
IT'S NOT F'ING INCOMPETENCE!!
SUB-VER-SION
Edotabin...oblunder 'ISM ideology has made significant progress
Maybe not but it sure seems to help the cause.
Listen Thong.
You USSA people better have your Obamacare policy in full "AFFECT", ready to take on the "BLOOD WORM".
Ebola *is* the ultimate Death Panel. No appeals. No treatments provided. Bureaucrats sold separately.
Possible scenarios using Ebola fear mongering:
1)Crash market and bankers steal more money.
2)Escalate Syrian war.
3)Pass laws to clamp down internet.
4)Elect a traitor, globalist puppet as president of USSA.
They're doing all those things ANYWAY.
May you live in interesting times. These times are epochal.
I guess you don't understand exponential growth. Take a penny and double it each day and tell me how much you have at the end of the month. Ebola is doubling every month instead of every day but it's growing exponentially.
That's not fear mongering. It's just a fact.
show me the dead Africans???
11 months and 4500 dead. give me a freaking break. use your head. please.
And they are expecting possibly 5,000 to 10,000 new cases per week by the end of the year. Which means the a couple weeks later there will be 2500 to 5000 deaths per week. That's called exponential growth. You'll be seeing a whole lot more dead Africans soon. Maybe you'll get it then.
"So What" use Google Dipshit to find pictures.
Watch this if you care to enlighten yourself otherwise stfu already.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/ebola-outbreak/
Documentary from Sept 9, 2014 by Frontline.
"4)TPTB has tried to scare the public again by announcing that the mortality rate has increased from 50% to 70%. This in fact is GREAT NEWS."
Then a 100% kill rate would be even better and a 0% kill rate (the very definition of a non-lethal virus) would be THE WORST POSSIBLE SCENARIO. Completely absurd thinking unless you work for government.
Think for a second... the issue is the transmission rate forward per new infectee and the lethality of the virus once contracted. The lower for both the better...
Listen Crazy Cat,
We need calm, rational comments.
Here is the latest video about Zero's and how they are MsBehaving:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AG7nOdwdlU
Mortality rate for this strain has been 70% for the duration of the outbreak. "Reporters" (and CDC oh-fish-uhls) are too stupid to realize that a snapshot of x infected y dead includes active/unresolved cases in the infected case numbers, and that some of them will be adding to the deceased tally in the next accounting.
I suggest So What places his/her kids at the doorstep of the victim to sell Girl Scout cookies. A high mortality rate virus needs to kill a lot faster to be effective at snuffing itself out in this day and age of ease of mobility.
I am not a doctor, but I play one on Saturday nights.
Check out how "Ho-hum" Ebola is here in a graphic a 1st grader can understand: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/health/how-ebola-spreads/
Hm. spreads slowly (long incubation) kills many. What, me worry? JFC.
Except that it's not just 4500 dead. The WHO and CDC believe that cases may be underreported by as factor as high as 2.5. So that would be closer to 11k dead right now, and with twice as many dead 21 days later, and twice as many 21 days after that, etc.
If you want to see the dead Africans, get on a plane and go see them.
I'll pass on that.
Free ebola sickness bag on every flight...
It was Bodilyfluided in Africa but Airborn in the USA, any doubt?
In those countries, overall sanitation condition is so bad that people are immune to most common and daily infractions. But the case is different in the developed countries. People here are sitting ducks.
Yup nice exponential growth. Let's take an easy case. Suppose the number of cases double each month. After one year that is 4000X the 4000 cases or 4 million. After two years at the same rate you get 2^24 or 16,000,000X growth times the 4000 cases, or 64 billion cases. Oops I think we are out of people to infect. Game Over.
Well, you end up with about 3.5 billion dead and 3.5 billion survivors that have to bury all of those bodies. Obama's idea of shovel ready jobs.
Only naturally immune to Ebola will survive. Mostly in third world slums.
no one has natural immunity to a new virus dipshit.
no one has natural immunity to a new virus dipshit.
no one has natural immunity to a new virus dipshit.
Your maths sucks.
If 3.5 billion are dead that doesn't leave 3.5 billion survivors but 3.5 billion being re-infected.
The disease only confers immunity to the strain you survived. It mutates quickly so within a short period of time you can become infected with another strain. Survive that 2nd strain and you are still facing a third infection, a fourth infection etc. You might have partial immunity (not yet proven with Ebola) so the 2nd and subsequent infections might not be so bad. With so many infected the disease will have lots of opportunity to mutate into thousands of strains (possibly including strains that spead more easily)
No different to the Flu or Common Cold and to see how deadly second and third infections can be look up the Spanish Flu pandemic where there were 3 waves of infection (and re-infection).
Thats a lot of pennies = 1073741824 to be exact.
Thats a lot of pennies = 1073741824 to be exact.
Yep. Or you could say 10 million dollars worth!
That's alot of gum.
$2,684,354.56
There are plenty disease vetor models out there.
Here's one for West Africa. 10K cases/mo or 25K cases/mo by december...
Take your choice...
> The populations of these three countries live in densely populated area, and lack adequate sewage systems in their neighborhoods, sometimes running water. Their healthcare systems are primitive at best. Their populations are exposed to infected CORPSES lying in street, infected family members and neighbors.
This is the cue, right? It's where I'm supposed to put the Chicago and Detroit jokes. God, why can't I ever remember these things?
Well Detroilet will soon be without running water, but it ain't that crowded anymore.
pods
These African populations, for a number of reasons (e.g., previous exposures to the virus, more or less protective gene variants), might exhibit different levels of susceptibility. Things are not so simple.
Without challenging the already mathematically challenged to something complicated... like dividing population by land area in order to actually determine population density before making an ass of themselves by calling Liberia 36/km2, Guinea 44/km2 or Sierra Leone 85/km2 "densely populated"... unlike say NYC 10,750/km or even Dallas 1,200/km2... there must be some even simpler demonstration-
I'll point out that high population density requires multi-level multi-unit dwellings (i.e high rise apartment buildings)- which require capital investment. In fact, I am not aware of any grass huts and or tin can shacks available in multi-story models in West Africa right now, and the DIY multi-story version requires some engineering knowledge (or luck) if it is to survive the first rainy season.
There is only so much density society can achieve by reducing per-person square footage at ground level. The Asians (particularly the Japanese and Chinese, however, have mastered the population density force multiplier art of the many-floored, shoebox-sized-per-person living units e.g Kowloon Walled City at 1,250,000/km2.
I'll be polite and thorough (after all it's not like you're agreeing with the nut cases) and provide State level data- TX is 40/km2 and NY 161/km2 even Cali is 95/km2
Urban Redneck, have you ever been to Africa?
I once lived in North Africa in a city where a third of the population lived in "informal housing". Guess what, most was built of concrete and was multi levelled. They could fit hundreds of people on a piece of land no bigger than a Western suburbia plot of land. They built them cheaply (not having title to the land and also not having much money) and the plumbing was adequate (but basic).
Sometimes the poor materials, shoddy construction and adding more and more stories to the buildings caused them to collapse. That would apply to most informal housing throughout Africa.
You're conflating some issues. First, North Africa isn't West Africa. Second, concrete (which will permit multi-level but not high rise accommodations) requires a supply of oil (Which is why Nigeria is the only country in West Africa that has multiple cities (other than its FDI squandering capital) that are on par with the more developed world. Third, you are comparing your experience with urban densities in North Africa to suburban densities in North America(??? Europe and the USA have very different average suburban plot sizes... it's practical for the former to use m2 while the latter uses acres).
Although ebola didn't get out of control until it reached (relatively) large cities, the bulk of the population and carnage does not reside in those cities. The maximum West African densities (in Conakry and Freetown) are on par with Cassablanca and Marakesh, but places like Luxor, Tanta, or Port Said are 50% higher. Monrovia, the capital of the worst of the ebola outbreak has less than half the population density of even Conakry or Freetown.
If ebola gets loose in a dense urban environment with a large public transportation network and a lot of central air handling there's going to be a whole new level of shitstorm, and repeating the success (to date) of the containment in Lagos and Port Harcourt might not be achievable, especially given the performance precedent of Dallas.
<Insert Mark Twain's opinion about statisticians here>
Regards,
Cooter
You might wish to brush up on exponitial functions. Quite a concept.
Listen AZUSGM.
Your thoughts on the "GUILT" that the "FLYING" nurse may feel if she is the USSA "CATALYST"?
Exponential or linear?
Don't know her. No insight to share.
She may be rather shocked that she has contracted ebola after seeing all of her fellow employees do so well for so long. I've spent many a shift caring for patients in contact/droplet isolation. Wore the usual isolation gowns/gloves/masks/hair covers, etc. Been in respiratory isolation rooms too. Never had a hazmat suit. Never got sick. No sign of ever spreading an infection either. The expectation is that infection will be contained when a patient is in isolation.
If she lives and others die after contact with her, we may get to see survivor's guilt, or maybe not. One source of suicide.
This whole situation is ungood.
FACT: The country touted as having the best care and facilities had 2 infections from 1 patient in a matter of days.
FACT: Hospitals in the USA are largely run by people who run tight budgets and tend to "wing it" when new shit hits.. They are reactive, not proactive and those that are proactive are scoffed at as being fear mongering.
FACT: People in this country aren't taking this serioulsy enough. While it's not a horrifyingly, end of the world, type of event; it certainly deserves some respect and serious attention.
FACT: If there is noone left to care for the sick because they've been infected too, then ...... chicken soup?
Career Opportunities
http://www.texashealth.org/featured-opportunities
No positions posted for medical ICU.
Yet.
Two infections per infected... Yep, that's about right given that it has an R-2 rating at the moment. Who would have thought a non-third world country would suffer the same transmission rate as West Africa. If we get four from these two, we will know that containment will be a lot harder than the CDC thought.
Maybe no one left to care for the sick because they refuse to expose themselves to the inadequate protocols in place, more likely.
And, as the CDC and TPTB continue to appear more and more incompetent, the more people will start to take matters and symptoms into the own hands and will refuse to submit themselves or loved ones for testing or care by those same inept agencies.
And so it goes...
Indeed.. that is a likely (and probably more likely) scenario in the near short term. Long term, that could change, however.
I wish you cunts would stop reposting this.
We get it.
Stop.
I would bet there have been many more deaths than that. They're just not being counted.
Once upon a time i had to sit through a meeting to pick a christmas card for a government department and they spent 2 hours arguing over whether having snow on the card was racist to muslims.
PC is the vector.
They don't have PC in Africa.
So although I agree it *ought* not to be a big deal I think it quite possibly will be.
I think you have it right. It outght to not be a big deal, but it could quite possibly turn into one. Let's face it, the world hasn't had to deal with a pandemic since the Hong Kong flu in the 1960s and the Asian flue in the 1950s. Before that, it was the Spanish flu.
Americans assume ebola can't go exponential in America because we have so much more technology and money to throw at it, but that's not the only factor.
Here are some other things we have more of in America:
Evil clowns
Pressure washers
Subways
Travel
Stupid regulations, policies, and zombies who follow them even in inappropriate circumstances.
Like the guy who went into Duncan's apartment unprotected to serve papers. He said he was "forced" to do it.
Cold, low-UV days with lots of people indoors. These factors are essential for spreading fragile RNA viruses. See influenza.
Malls and other large public buildings where the virus can remain indoors with many potential victims.
Handrails. They are a major reason why cruise ships are incubators for Norwalk virus. That's a puke-and-shit RNA virus.
Good point. Understanding that ebola has a 60%+ kill rate, is AIRBORN, and is loose in AIRPLANES in which travel isn't available to most West Africans, makes me scared. It's airborne. AIRBORNE. FOAMITES THAT LIVE 3 WEEKS ON METAL AND GLASS. FOAMITES. AIRBORNE. ON AIRPLANES WITH CLOSED SYSTEM AIR CIRCULATION.
But sure, don't panic. Keep flying. Keep sleeping in hotels. Keep handling foods in grocery stores and markets. Just wash your hands, because Tom Frieden says that's all you need to do.
Ebola doesn't look fearsome when you don't understand EXPONENTIAL GROWTH. Here, learn something:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQd-VGYX3-E&index=2&list=PL6A1FD147A45EF50D
Meanwhile, where do you hide your gold? You know, in case you die and want a fellow zerohedger to make good use of it against the powers that be?
For any of you who are interested, here is a letter my wife just sent to our local news outlet regarding Ebola transmissability and the quality of the information we're getting from the CDC:
"Dear King5 News,
I understand that you are airing a special news session soon about the Ebola virus (EBOV) and I wanted to voice concerns I have about repeated assurances from CDC and others that Ebola is not aerosol transmissible.
I received my MS in Epidemiology and PhD in Molecular and Cellular Biology from the University of Washington studying HIV, HPV and immunology. So while my area of expertise is not Ebola specifically, I do have expertise in both virology and epidemiology and have spent significant time reviewing the scientific literature about the Ebola virus.
A commentary by the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy published September 17, 2014 describes in detail both the scientific basis for aerosol transmission of EBOV, and the appropriate respiratory protection healthcare workers should be provided when caring for patients infected with EBOV.
“Health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola” by Lisa M Brosseau, ScD, and Rachael Jones, PhD
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola
There is much controversy and misunderstanding about “contact” and “droplets.” However, a variety of bodily fluids can be aerosolized and “a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract.” Drs Brosseau and Jones also note that “Some processes, like intubation and toilet flushing, can rapidly generate very large quantities of aerosols.” This is, of course, particularly concerning in healthcare settings. We know that the primary cells that EBOV infects – dendritic cells and macrophages – reside in all epithelium, including those in the respiratory tract. In addition, there is epidemiological and experimental evidence to support concerns about aerosol transmission of EBOV. To quote Drs Brosseau and Jones, a summary of the primary evidence is as follows:
“Zaire Ebola viruses have also been transmitted in the absence of direct contact among pigs (Kobinger et al, J. Infect. Dis., 2011) and from pigs to non-human primates (Weingartl et al, Scientific Reports, 2012) which experienced lung involvement in infection. Persons with no known direct contact with Ebola virus disease patients or their bodily fluids have become infected (Roels et al, J. Infect. Dis., 1999).” Further, Jaax et al, (Lancet, 1996) documented infection of two rhesus monkeys with EBOV without direct contact with infected individuals. Johnson et al (Int. J. Exp. Path., 1995) of USAMIID (United State Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases) also demonstrated fatal [intentional] aerosol transmission in rhesus monkeys.
It is clear from both epidemiological and experimental evidence that the vast majority of EBOV transmission is through direct contact with infected bodily fluids – primarily blood, feces, saliva, sweat, and semen. Further, most of the experimental evidence cited about involves non-human primates (not humans), and the Zaire strain of EBOV is more virulent than the current West African strain. However, it is deeply troubling that the threat of aerosol transmission of EBOV is categorically denied by some key health leaders. This could ultimately put the public in general, and our healthcare workers in particular, at greater risk of infection. At the very least, the evidence supports the policy that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.
I hope that you will review the commentary above, as well as the scientific publications sited (which I am happy to send to you as PDFs), and consider including these researchers in your coverage of the facts and myths surrounding EBOV. I also read your October 9th interview with Dr. Katz; perhaps he could be asked to comment on this further."
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Citxmex, great initiative! Think you could simplify to bullet points with sources for the layman? So a reporter could understand? One of the greatest weapons that pharma uses to hide the shit they pull on people is hiding behind scientific language 95% of the population are too lazy or inept to understand.
You left out one fact:
How many Caucasians have died from this?
ZERO
Guess that doesn't count those two Spanish missionaries, or the Doctors Without Borders staff?
As I told you yesterday, from another perspective, that infection rate would be 130,000 cases in the US. Please explain how 130,000 cases in the US would not be a major crisis?
---->>> October 14'th CDC official numbers - 8,914 Infected 4,447 Dead. <<<----
Projected numbers predicted in march.
Mar, 2014 - Infected: 104 Dead: 62
Apr, 2014 - Infected: 194 Dead: 116
May, 2014 - Infected: 360 Dead: 216
Jun, 2014 - Infected: 670 Dead: 402
Jul, 2014 - Infected: 1,247 Dead: 748
Aug, 2014 - Infected: 2,319 Dead: 1,391
Sep, 2014 - Infected: 4,313 Dead: 2,588
Oct, 2014 - Infected: 8,022 Dead: 4,813
Nov, 2014 - Infected: 14,921 Dead: 8,953
Dec, 2014 - Infected: 27,753 Dead: 16,652
Jan, 2015 - Infected: 51,621 Dead: 30,973
Feb, 2015 - Infected: 96,016 Dead: 57,610
Mar, 2015 - Infected: 178,590 Dead: 107,154
Apr, 2015 - Infected: 332,177 Dead: 199,306
May, 2015 - Infected: 617,849 Dead: 370,709
Jun, 2015 - Infected: 1,149,199 Dead: 689,519
Jul, 2015 - Infected: 2,137,510 Dead: 1,282,506
Aug, 2015 - Infected: 3,975,768 Dead: 2,385,461
Sep, 2015 - Infected: 7,394,928 Dead: 4,436,957
Oct, 2015 - Infected: 13,754,567 Dead: 8,252,740
Nov, 2015 - Infected: 25,583,494 Dead: 15,350,096
Dec, 2015 - Infected: 47,585,299 Dead: 28,551,179
Jan, 2016 - Infected: 88,508,656 Dead: 53,105,193
Feb, 2016 - Infected: 164,626,099 Dead: 98,775,660
Mar, 2016 - Infected: 306,204,545 Dead: 183,722,727
Apr, 2016 - Infected: 569,540,453 Dead: 341,724,272
May, 2016 - Infected: 1,059,345,243 Dead: 635,607,146
Jun, 2016 - Infected: 1,970,382,153 Dead: 1,182,229,292
Jul, 2016 - Infected: 3,664,910,804 Dead: 2,198,946,482
Aug, 2016 - Infected: 6,816,734,096 Dead: 4,090,040,457
Actual CDC numbers reported October 14th, 2014.
---->>> October 14'th CDC official numbers - 8,914 Infected 4,447 Dead. <<<----
But yes you are very correct, the elites in the US government have planned to have a international UN Military Marshal Law response. They are going to milk this for every bit of control they can get. However I don't think they expected a reaction to get this crazy this quickly.
What is rather frightening, is compare this to what SilverRhino came up with on August 30.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-30/ebola-outbreak-spreads-6th-afri...
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It cracks me up that someone would down vote a simple math illustration.
WTF are they afraid of? The truth.
Still dont understand geometric series do you?
Some folks may believe the crap your spewing because they dont understand infectious geometric series timelines either and make poor decisions that could kill them. You dangerous ignorant f%=€ you. That is assuming you actually are ignorant.
Why you ("So What") are getting so many red arrows is beyond me. As far as I'm concerned, you raise very valid points. I have some close relatives who are professional doctors and they're saying exactly the same thing.
Along those lines,"over one million people die from malaria each year, mostly children under five years of age, with 90 per cent of malaria cases occurring in Sub-Saharan Africa." (UNICEF)
Why is there no general panic about that?
It just goes to show, I guess, that ZH members are just as easy to scare (i.e. brainwash) as all the other people they keep making fun of.
20-20 Hindsight Pick up a copy of SPILLOVER, the malaria thing is explained, and more. Factual, not frightening but truthful.
I love it how people cite being related to "professional doctors" like that seals the fucking deal. Well i guess we better just stop talking about ebola,,, some fuckers related to a doctor who said we dont need to worry.
Man I feel so reassured.
People aren't freaking out about malaria because cases aren't increasing exponentially and treatment is available.
So what if a million die from malaria? Yes it isn't nice that the West hasn't done more to find a solution to that problem but from a Western health persective it is still a case of so what.
The difference is that malaria can not infect people who live in most Western nation unless they choose to go where maleria is endemic. Ebola however has the potential get to them in their own countries and has the potential to kill millions if control is lost.
Ebola may first get out of control in any of a score of nations (not just Western ones) with many Chinese, Lebanese and others working in West Africa. If China gets Ebola and loses control then the whole world will get it.
Understanding relative risk has never been a strong point of the sheeple. Like understanding the exponential function.
Anyway, concentrate on the likely causes of injury and death you can control. Buckle your seatbelt. Eat smart, lose weight if your BMI is too high and watch your cholesterol. Wash your hands and whatever you do dont bite your fingernails.
And relax. Stress kills. :)
Edit: I'm much more worried about the government response to Ebola than I am about Ebola.
Dear So What,
Remember the American Indians? You know, people that had not been exposed to smallpox? The Africans in those countries have been exposed to all kinds of lovely deseases all their lives and their systems are hardened to a lot of crap that will put you and me in the hospital while making them burp!
You CANNOT compare their populous to ours. They live under different conditions than we do and they react differently. They are stronger in the infectious/immune area than we are, especially when you factor in all the antibiotics given for colds for so many years. What may only kill a few of them can be very virulent and kill many more of us.
Facts are only as good as the fact checker. You need to check your facts more.
Data: junk in, junk out. We have no real handle on the numbers. Some health authorities have said that the undercount might be by as much 4X or more. Delaying the undoable (isolating and burying people properly) until next month results in a projected 10,000+ new Eboloa cases daily -- repeat, daily -- in Sierra Leone and Liberia alone. That is, 1.4 million cases by January 2015, adjusted for under-reporting. See Meltzer et al, http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su6303a1.htm?s_cid=su6303a1_w .
she shouldn't have flown at all. don't any of these fucking idiots have any sense at all??? You just got done treating an ebola patient and then you get a high fever so you jump on a fucking plane???
To me, not only are the CDC and government responsible, but so are the hospital staff and anyone who treats an infected patient should also therefore be quarantined until they can be absolutely cleared of not having the infection.
She should be held criminally liable for flying when she knew she could be contagious. Dumb fucking bitch. Anyone flying around with ebola really is a fucking criminal. Screw 'em...they don't give a fuck to quarantine themselves then they're accountable and it should be a fucking crime.
Lock her up and let her die. I mean that's the only way to get a disease like this to burn out quickly anyway. Lock everyone up and let it run its course with them. Since all these fucking people are flying around trying to save people all they're really accomplishing is spreading it around further.
This whole fucking thing is criminal (AS USUAL) from the White House right on down through these unaccountable, unelected bullshit government agencies run by fucking lunatics with a tyrannical agenda to fuck the rest of us over for their own personal power and gain.
These people deserve to die from ebola when they pull shit like this. Dumb bitch.
It would almost seem intentional if we didn't know better.
Right?
You mean Ebola-Postal or suicidebolar
If this pops into a pandemic, just assume that you're on your own. Blame the CDC? Sure, for lying, but instead of dwelling on it, look to what you can do for yourself. We've known for a while that we have a lying and incompetent government. If they tell me that there's no cause to panic, I'm going to keep my eyes open for something that might cause people to panic.
believe me...that's exactly what I do. We all know the exact 180 degree opposite of anything these douchebags do or say is almost always going to be the actual truth.
I have ample food storage and a whole lot of other essential storage items stocked up for sure...wasn't for any kind of pandemic, but it will do just the same if one happens to be "created" for us by these assholes.
I don't have tons of medical gear or freakin' full body hazmat suits, gloves, boots, and respirator masks, etc. But at this point it's looking like it's time to start researching this shit and some prices a lot more seriously just in case. Can't hurt to have it stored away just in case.
I know that I'm not going to be able to get into all of the hazmat shit. If this shit pops, I'm going to first bug-in, wait until law enforcement starts to break down, then bug-out to an isolated location. I guess I'll have to pick up adobe construction skills if it comes to that, LOL.
I'm in a rather large Florida city...and this is just one more reason why I want to get the hell out of it a.s.a.p. I've already been researching other small town areas back out west far from any large cities. Just got back from visiting one actually, to do some local inspecting to see what the area was like. And actually is was great. Now I just have to get the heck outta dodge before everything gets shut down in the big cities. Impossible to time this stuff, but unfortunately it doesn't look like I'll be able to bug outta here within the next 2 years...and I gotta real bad feeling I don't have 2 years time at this point. I don't really think yet that this disease shit will be the SHTF moment to fuck everything up. I'm still thinking it'll be an economic collapse of some caliber that will get the ball rolling. Bank runs, etc. Not looking forward to being stuck here if that happens, but as you said, I've got the supplies and ability to "bug-in" if I have to and just wait it out. Even if it takes more than 9 months.
This whole fucking thing is criminal (AS USUAL) from the White House right on down through these unaccountable, unelected bullshit government agencies run by fucking lunatics with a tyrannical agenda to fuck the rest of us over for their own personal power and gain.
So where's your anger at the for-profit hospital? Had a patient they knew was infected with ebola taken by regular ambulance to the emergency room where he was left waiting (potentially infecting everyone who came in and out of the area) and only moved after a nurse apparently went ballistic on her supervisor that the guy needed to be moved to quarantine. Hospital did not provide protective gear for the nurses who treated the patient and since the incident have not discussed it. Infact, nurses have had to comment anonymously for fear of being fired from their jobs.
Not exactly a surprise that the hospital didn't adequeatly monitor the healthcare workers who had treated the guy and they've now gone on to not only contract the virus (at least two cases) but have spread it around on flights.
CDC is not God, they're not monitoring every person travelling around the US. The hospital should've done MUCH better.. This is the kind of extreme incompetence one would expect in a third world country, say a place like nigeria..yet nigeria has contained ebola!
well like I said..."hospital staff" too. That goes for the administrators and whoever else are in charge. These people are apparently as big of a public health threat than the fucking disease is.
You raise valid points. But circumstances like these are the ONLY reason the CDC exists. There is noi other reason to have these incompetent, wasteful. pieces of shit fed tax dollars. Just once I'd like to be surprised and see some fucker in the government competently do his job.
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Texas Presby didn't have protocols for Ebola? You don't say! Next thing you know you'll say my local small animal vet isn't equiped to handle elephants and zebras! Go fucking figure.
In a conference call late Tuesday, the nation's largest nurses' union described how the patient, Duncan, was left in an open area of the emergency room for hours. National Nurses United, citing unidentified nurses, said staff treated Duncan for days without the correct protective gear, that hazardous waste was allowed to pile up to the ceiling and safety protocols constantly changed.
Not only didn't have protocls for this level of infectious disease, apparenlty had no basic common sense either. Hence why the CDC has a new plan to go in and micromanage these morons.
If you think that the hospital rules aren't completely dictated by the government, you have no idea how the system works. And the CDC, led by Thomas Frieden, will come in with what "new" protocols, since he is the one that keeps reiterating that ebola is hard to catch? He likened the transmission of ebola to that of AIDS, which was demonstrated to be false early on in the West African outbreak. Calling for more government, when they have failed to prevent its spread thus far, is utterly absurd.
The reason why it is CDC's fault is because their protocols call for inadequate safety equipment and that is most likely why these health workers, confronting
patients with the most amount of virus, with blood spurting out of open wounds and convulsing (meaning shaking off loads of body fluids) are catching the
virus. No respirators or pressure suits.
CDC's fault is because their protocols call for inadequate safety equipment
CDC can't mandate how hospitals run things, they can only offer guidelines. CDC didn't suggest turning away ebola patient, then holding him in an open area and finally treating without protective gear and not monitoring the nurses after the guy died..
Love the 12 monkeys reference, how appropriate ha!
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"Being at first skeptical that Ebola virus could be an aerosol-transmissible disease, we are now persuaded by a review of experimental and epidemiologic data that this might be an important feature of disease transmission, particularly in healthcare settings."
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-wor...
we're all waiting for a new statement from the Pestilence of the United states.
we're all waiting for a new statement from the Pestilence of the United states.
All airline routed effective immediately should be routed to the Ebola "Care Center" in Fergusson, Missouri.
*shocked face*
CDC is the assholeos saying to keep flights going to contain it... I shit you now... blood is on their hands
If you shit me now I will end up getting Ebola.
- sorry, couldn't resist.
You mean the CENTER FOR DISEASE CREATION?
"Frieden said that... NEW PATIENT HADN'T BEEN BLEEDING OR VOMITING BEFORE FLIGHT"
Unbelievable! I am so sick of these people running the show.
I'm calling it, from this moment forward, "Obamafever".
Hobby: "it's always the health-care giver's fault"
You nailed it ... how soon before all nurses are quarantined after working on an infected person. Why would a nurse take the risk?
How badly would you have to be injured to go to Presby Hospital?
Furher Obozo and CDC is going FULL RETARD in this most recent installment of fear mongering. They want people to STAY HOME and outta airplanes. ISIS agents (CIA) flinging ebola vomit about? This is the stuff of Langely. I don't buy any of it. Fuck YOU Obama!
CDC-------Contagious Disease CLusterfuck.
What was the stupid broad doing, flying commercial when she had just finished looking after an Ebola patient and now had a fever herself? She knew better! Do not tell me the nurses in Dallas weren't all huddled together, worried about the lack of proper gear, and didn't discuss how long a quarantine period would last before you could consider yourself and your loved ones safe. She obviously knew what a fever meant; it's not a reach to believe she was told what symptoms to watch for and what NOT to do if she came down with the symptoms.
If she recovers, and if anyone else contracts Ebola from her wanton idiocy, she should be charged with deliberately endangering human life and lose her nursing license. And if anyone else dies because of her reckless disregard for life, she should be charged with homicide.
If this laisse faire attitude re: Ebola isn't nipped in the bud now, we'll have the same situation as what went on in BC: folks exposed to measles running around willy-nilly and refusing to go into quarantine.
I don't believe it; she phoned the CDC and they told her to 'get onboard'.
Is anyone in charge?