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Second Ebola-Infected Nurse Identified, Was Symptomatic With 99.5 Degree Fever While Flying
Just about an hour ago, the CDC's Tom Frieden held a press conference in which he tried to diffuse the CDC's incompetence for a allowing healthcare workers who cared for the now deceased "Index Patient" Thomas Eric Duncan, to board a plane. A worker, who as was reported earlier today, was confirmed sick with the deadly virus. Still, in order to defend his agency from accusations of gross incompetence, of which it clearly is guilty, Frieden said that...
- NEW PATIENT HADN'T BEEN BLEEDING OR VOMITING BEFORE FLIGHT
... Although, he promptly pushed the ball of blame back in her court adding that:
- NEW PATIENT KNOWINGLY EXPOSED TO EBOLA,SHOULDNT HAVE FLOWN
But what is worse, is that as the WaPo reports the nurse had a fever of 99.5 degrees Fahrenheit before boarding a passenger jet on Monday, a day before she reported symptoms of the virus and was tested, according to public health officials. "Even though there appeared to be little risk for the other people on that flight, she should not have traveled that way, Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said during a news conference Wednesday."
“She should not have flown on a commercial airline,” Frieden said.
The reason he said that is that since she was clearly symptomatic, she was also contagious. Which explains why the CDC is scrambling to uncover all those passengers who may have flowen with her.
Furthermore, the nurse has now been identified: "The health-care worker was not identified by public health officials, but family members told Reuters and the Dallas Morning News that her name is Amber Vinson, a nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital. She was part of a team that had cared for Thomas Eric Duncan, a Liberian man who flew to Texas and was diagnosed with Ebola last month, during his hospitalization in Dallas. Duncan died last week. Nina Pham, a nurse who also cared for Duncan, was diagnosed with Ebola on Sunday."
And where it gets simply ridiculous is that not only did the nurse fly once, she flied a second time, this time from Cleveland to Texas on Monday.
Vinson, who flew from Dallas to Cleveland on Friday, flew back to Texas on Monday, a day after Pham was diagnosed. She reported a fever on Tuesday and was isolated and tested for Ebola.
Still, the fact that she boarded a commercial flight raises the question of how much the other 50 health-care workers who entered Duncan’s room could have traveled or moved around in recent days. The CDC recommends controlled movement on private flights or vehicles for people who may have been exposed to Ebola, Frieden said.
Meanwhile, the panic to contain the possible spread of the airborne virus is full blown: as WFAA reports, "Frontier Airlines says the plane stayed at DFW International Airport overnight, and has since been cleaned. It traveled to Cleveland on Tuesday and was cleaned again. The airline says Vinson traveled to Ohio from Dallas-Fort Worth on Flight 1142 on Oct. 10.
"The safety and security of our customers and employees is our primary concern. Frontier will continue to work closely with CDC and other governmental agencies to ensure proper protocols and procedures are being followed," the airline said in a press release.
Some other details:
Wednesday morning, Mayor Mike Rawlings confirmed that Vinson lives alone without pets at The Green in the Village Apartments, in the 6000 block of Village Bend near Skillman, just north of Lovers Lane.
Police and Dallas Fire-Rescue teams were at the complex early Wednesday, cleaning common areas and knocking on doors, communicating with neighbors. Reverse 911 calls were sent out at 6:15 a.m. to people who live in the area.
"We rallied together and we decided that we needed to move quickly like we did Sunday morning," Mayor Rawlings said.
He added that the state has hired a company to come in Wednesday afternoon and clean Vinson's apartment and car.
Like Pham, Vinson had also been involved in caring for Thomas Eric Duncan, the Liberian man who died of Ebola one week ago at Presbyterian. More than 70 hospital employees had been involved in that effort and are still being monitored.
So despite the epic Snafu that Tom Frieden has managed to achieve, and we fully expect that airplane travel will see a substantial decline until the Ebola pandemic is indeed contained, we will give him props for telling one piece of the truth this weekend, when he said that "more Ebola cases are likely going to emerge." At least this time, he was telling the truth.
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Per Frontier Airlines statement:
The flight landed in Dallas/Fort Worth at 8:16 p.m. local and remained overnight at the airport having completed its flying for the day at which point the aircraft received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines prior to returning to service the next day.
Since I happen to fly weekly, I'm willing to bet that whatever standards there are in regards to cleaning the planes between use, don't begin to touch what is truly necessary to disinfect a plane from serious diseases. But Ebola can only be passed by fluids, so I suppose it would have dried overnight. No need to worry.
Hey Trog,
Will you still fly? Knowing what you know?
I have to fly in two weeks Chicago,Dallas, Santiago and back in 4 weeks. I will and HAVE to my job.
Per Frontier Airlines statement:
The flight landed in Dallas/Fort Worth at 8:16 p.m. local and remained overnight at the airport having completed its flying for the day at which point the aircraft received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines prior to returning to service the next day.
Since I happen to fly weekly, I'm willing to bet that whatever standards there are in regards to cleaning the planes between use, don't begin to touch what is truly necessary to disinfect a plane from serious diseases. But Ebola can only be passed by fluids, so I suppose it would have dried overnight. No need to worry.
I flew Sunday. I took out my little clorox wipes and gave the seat, armrests, and tray a good wiping down.
The guy next to me asked for one.
The guy across from him asked for one.
Personal Responsibility. I don't trust a union lackey to keep me safe.
What did you do with the gloves you were wearing? If you didn't have gloves shame on you.
Per Frontier Airlines statement:
The flight landed in Dallas/Fort Worth at 8:16 p.m. local and remained overnight at the airport having completed its flying for the day at which point the aircraft received a thorough cleaning per our normal procedures which is consistent with CDC guidelines prior to returning to service the next day.
Since I happen to fly weekly, I'm willing to bet that whatever standards there are in regards to cleaning the planes between use, don't begin to touch what is truly necessary to disinfect a plane from serious diseases. But Ebola can only be passed by fluids, so I suppose it would have dried overnight. No need to worry.
I'm willing to bet the cleaners wahs the outside only. Fuck Obola
I'm sure ebola will boost holiday sales. When I fear for my life, the first thing I do is go shopping in a heavily populated area.
HOW DUMB ARE YOU to FLY after treating an KNOW Ebola patient?!!!!!
you can memorize the answers to medical exams. you can be coached to pass medical exams. you may be even able to figure out how to answer the questions if you've been given the exam beforehand.
but that doesn't make you have common sense.
It depends if she asked her superiors and they said it was fine.
The nurse isn't stupid, it's the people who told her she didn't have a problem! What the fuck is wrong with you, put the blame where it belongs, with the morons that told her, DON'T WORRY!
The airline probably rips out their seats every few years.
Each seat is the petri dish for Ebola and the next victim.
E-Z Ebola Transmission
Warm moist foam (sponge) seat cushion and couches where Ebola virus survives for hours, on a bus, bus station, plane, airport, train, train station, cab, waiting room, hospital, doctor office, restaurant.
Coupled with patient sweating and various liquid emissions (blood, fart, bowel) into the cushion seat. Then next victim sitting in warm cushion in it and touching it and wiping it.
That specific seat is probably 'contagious' for 24 hours or more...the seat and virus kept warm and moist.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/10/14/Texas-Ebola-Hospital...
HOW DUMB ARE YOU to FLY after treating a KNOW Ebola patient?!!!!!
Any person, man or woman, black or white or yellow, that would knowingly subject their fellow passengers to this is nothing more than a savage. It's called assault anywhere other than in this instance...
I am trying to think of how this could've been handled any worse.
I've come up with nothing so far.
Still, not to worry, it's not like millions of American lives are at stake eh?
Nursing is her day job. She hooks at night. And runs a small catering service on the side.
Edit: I found something that does make it worse, she was flying to see her fiancé, they are getting married soon. Shopping. Planning the Wedding. Bridezilla will not be kept from her wedding, just sayin' this makes more sense to me now...
http://thescoopblog.dallasnews.com/2014/10/second-health-care-worker-tes...
Did she donate blood while in Cleveland? Visit a spa? Hit the salad bar at the Sizzler?
Shit lady. Thanks.
Scalp them both. To send a clear message to the rest of the morons.
imo the people putting it on the nurses are the covering their ass and it will backfire
Isn't Ebola also transmitted sexually? Bridezilla has infected her fiance. I bet he's in a happy place right now ...
Body temperature varies from person to person and may vary throughout the day for any given person.
Try this yourself: Measure your temperature when in a relaxed state. Then go out and do some yard work on a hot day for a couple of hours. I've seen my own temperature rise by more than a degree when I tried this.
A 99.5 degree temperature isn't necessarily due to fever. It depends on the individual and what they have been doing.
Like cultivating Ebola virus.
goddamn that's some quality gallows humor
+1
not when you were just treating an ebola patient.
come on.
*sigh*
"Plane that carried ebola patient flew in and out of Atlanta before being decontaminated in Cleveland."
Same shit (the experts are capable of controlling every dynamic, complex system in existence), different day/crisis.
http://olduvai.ca
Some facts regarding viral infections (I worked in medical research lab):
1. The virus will be present in body fluids LONG BEFORE there are external symptoms, including elevated temperature, headaches, vomiting, etc.
2. Body fluids includes semen & vaginal secretions.
I do not hear ANY of the so-called "experts" saying ANYTHING about sexual transmission, and particulary the sexual contacts of individuals exposed to & infected with ebola.
It is very highly likely that the two female nurses who contracted ebola from the ebola-infected invader Duncan had some kind of sexual contact after their vaginal secretions were infectious - those people must be placed in quarantine immediately.
Where are the Ebola test results done on Nina pham's boyfriend who went into a TX hospital Sunday night?
He would be case #4 if the MSM would do its fucking job and report the news.
Never had an Amber that was not dynamite in the sack...
Good pole dancer name. Whyh are some of these medical people so clueless. That whole hospital needs to be emptied and cleaned
Amber Evans. One of the most downloaded babes in the early 2000s. Miss her photo shoots.
Good thing seating is so spacious, right?
right??
These bastards have NO ANSWERS. The "gubermit knows everything" meme is imploding before our very eyes!
Re: Amber Veal Venison, Can't fix stupid
99.5 Fahrenheit is 37.5 Celsius.
Given how quickly flu virus spreads with millions of people infected in weeks during each flu season, this ebola virus seems to be not so virulent after all, though could mutate into a more aggressive strain over time.
The R0 of ebola and the flu are nearly the same. Think about that.
hmm...both nurses - very fuckable...
Ehhhhh, you first.
are you kidding - Pham could be a model... I mean.... leaving aside the zombie virus infecting every part of her....
Literally... and ebola virus persistence in vaginal and rectal swab samples isn't subject to the CDC's misguided 21-day window.
http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/179/Supplement_1/S170.long#F4
No thanks. There aren't enough condoms in the world to fuck them.
GOOD LUCK, EBOLA-CHAN!
, "just assume that you're on your own."
It's that simple.
The CDC is doing CYA.
If flights were halted to west Africa, Jesse Jackson would claim we're racist.
Well now, you know, the good Rev. Jackson may have a point there.
At the very least, we could immediately ground all flights in the US as an expression of our solidarity with our brothers accross the way.
Seriously, it may not be long before that happens 'cause not enough passengers are willing to play viral Russian Roulette in an airport and plane. Poor TSA will have to start groping each other - wait for THAT one on YouTube.
Even more seriously, at what point will I and my family decide we'll shelter in place at home? Way too early now, but by how much? If, When, what would that look like?
Even the 50% who survive are by no means ever the same. Damn!
Well. That would only really be true if flights were halted to west africa but only for black people.
Criminal liar Duncan should have been immediately deported back to liberia in a containment vessel.
"containment vessel"
ICBM?
If you like your ebola, you can keep your ebola.
What about those Mexicans who cleaned the plane's interior at the end the flight? They probably could have gotten the rivus nonetheless and might have passed it to other members of their families who happen to work in restaurants or clean houses and shopping malls and offices.
I don't think you are being racist enough.
"Tenacious adaptive response", bitchez! Translation: They are going to have some meetings and send some soldiers to Africa. Problem fixed! Now go apply for a new 0% VISA card and buy some groceries from Whole Foods.
Begining of chocalate "sauce" and brown log tme at the CDC, and US Govt
BTW, nice that apparently CDC throws Vennison under the bus, where she says the CDC gave her the okie to fly...this is yet another cluster of the Obola Admin
Either this is lift off of "the plan", or the wheels are bout to fall off either way, this years go to Holiday gift, may well be a hazmat suit (with instrutions for proper fitting and removal), written by the free bird Freiden,
hat tip to Skynrd
So the plane was cleaned, and then cleaned again. That actually isn't comforting. Did the cleaning crew know they were dealing with Ebola virus? No one else seems to have known. So they were touching the surfaces and all. Were they adequately trained? Were they wearing PPE or just your average toilet-scrubbing glove? TPTB keep saying Ebola won't spread here because we have training and higeine and health-care facilities, but all I hear is an endless stream of fuckups.
"So you're done treating the level-4 biohazard guy. Got any plans?"
"Yeah, thought I might go on a few cross-country flights. You?"
"Nothing big, just going out with my friends for a spitting in eachothers mouths session."
Don't worry, they cleaned the plane with the Schticky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQjF5RPgbg
"You're gonna like the Little Schticky, but you're gonna love the Big Schticky."
Come on, what could be better than that for cleaning up Ebola?
Maybe The Soft SuperCooler, "the most voysatel bag in da world"
The money I saved on Ice is amazing
https://www.softsupercooler.com/
lol.
Frontier jet made 5 flights before taken out of service in Ebola scare
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-frontier-airline-ebola-patient-201...
Someone probably thought of this already, but here goes nothing:
"If you like your Ebola, you can keep your Ebola."
-- President Obummer
Not a word from Miffed today which concerns me a lot more than the CDC blathering
the smart ones will be dropping like flies from this board. there's work to be done. check deep in Montanna...
Agreed, I'm probably too dumb to get out now myself though
Miffed is taking a day off from the stress of this whole thing. We are doing serious planning. Thanks for caring.
Tell her that we hope she relaxes a LOT because we're going to grill her (nicely) when she gets back.
Take care of the walking knowledgebase for all of us :)
Hope she is a good
[and this might be the NICEST message I have written here at the Fight Club ... ever]
Best wishes.
You guys will get through this.
Unfortunately sometimes popular posters are killed in car accidents or get mauled by a bear while hiking. Those incidents happened on a real estate board. Eventually you find out the truth somehow.
Just BTFD and stay in doors. All the trades are automated so no worries. Oh, and I think this is why the commodities have been down so hard. Inflation won't be a problem because at best half exposed die it will be somewhat of a deterent to any kind of demand pull inflation.
Bet the hobbit is happy.
Maybe she was smart enough to know that if she took tylenol and ibuprofen that her temp would be low enough to get back home to Dallas.
We will probably avoid a pandemic here but not because of the administration, congress or any of the too highly paid morons {aka bureaucrats} whose duty it is to "look" after we the sheeple.
I heard that the exact same plane was loaded again with passengers last night before they ultimately cancelled the flight. (Cleveland to Dallas again).
hurry, suspend the mid-term elections - the situation is too serious to allow an election.......
sorry....forgot - if elections could change anything they'd be illegal.
Great. Nobody is in charge.
"But it's coordinated by somebody here at the White House."
Great. 'Somebody' is in charge..... fify
Never is anyone in charge. Just those that portray the illusion of being in charge.
Until it comes time to take responsibility,
You mean take credit
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-survivor-dr-...
Is this working, is she recovering?
WHAT DOES
GUARANTINE
MEAN TO YOU ?
That you mispelled quarantine?
Why do they always insist on cleaning the cars and apartments? The virus needs a host to keep going. Just caution tape that shit up and revisit/clean in a month. No sense in sending crews into those hot zones. Not like they need to rent those places out right away....
Yeah, that really annoys me, too! It's busy-work to make it look like they're doing something to protect us.
It's an accidental admission of helplessness and incompetence, of marketing over substance.
A fig leaf over an imaginary member.
Meanwhile, the .gov gets to overpay some contracting company to underpay Jose and Consuela to risk exposing themselves to viral contamination.
Screw cleaning, You have to decontaminate first, and really this isn't hard.
The virus needs a host? Where did you get that information? The CDC? How accurate have they been? The CDC may SAY it needs a host - but why are they sanitizing apartments, cars and airplanes?
I'm not saying the virus doesn't have the ability to survive a few days on ojects (doorknobs, surfaces etc), but the virus needs a living host to keep replicating to survive. Unless it's mutated into some mohagany eating virus, probably be much safer to clean and disinfect a place 30 days later rather than immediately after someone has left the car or apartment.
If you haven't read the Hot Zone yet, that is a must read. Some absolutely scary stuff in that book. Some of the shit that happened during the Reston outbreak (monkeys only) makes today's CDC look like rocket scientists.
WHOOPS
QUARANTINE
sorry for double-post:
conspiranerds will have fun with this one by peeling the layers back:
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/14/alcon-worker-isolated-for-ebola-monit...
<hint: look up the parent company, it's web of relationships, and the father of the division's ceo and his social network connections>
remove tin foil.
sometimes the internet is becoming like low-info consumer television.
coincidence?
Finally we have an issue serious enough that the reporters are asking tenacious (there's that word again) questions.
What are these "reporters" you speak of? Do they carry shitgums?
Sorry, I was referring to the White House press conference. The press corps were not letting Josh Earnest off the hook.
Yes, that Clown crew is all of a sudden asking serious questions ???? huh
People can see professional wrestling is rigged and yet they follow the press and believe the garbage they spew
spppppppshhhh .... Turn on the oxygen in here......... spshhhhhhhhh
Since it appears certain that the hazmat suits do NOT protect the wearer. Is the goverment going to get their (our)money back on the 150,000 suits the purchased?
Would almost be an almost valid question if the nurses and staff had actually been provided them from the get go, instead of having to tape gowns shut with medical tape and wear their floor shoes.
IMHO: TPTB want to let it burn. They believe they will be able to keep it out of the inner party circle, the proles and the outer party be damned...
Confucious say: Hol E Fuk!
If this "NURSE"!!!! did not have the basic common fooking medical sense to not get on a fooking plane, while fooking feverish, after treating a fooking Ebola Fooking patient, then she should be stripped of her Nurse's license and never allowed to do ANYTHING related to the medical field ever again!!
She shouldn't even be allowed to ever hand someone a band aid for a papercut!!
You may be right, but dude, she is planning her wedding. Wanted to go home, was hoping for the best. I am not saying you don't have a point, but brides can be driven creatures. The world raises us to look forward to this "big" day. She told them about the fever, they told her she was okay. No one told them NOT to travel and while you and I would not do it, she wants to go and work on her wedding.
There will be more like this.
Each fuck up folks will learn and it will get tighter. They are inventing the wheel while telling us they run a wheel shop and have for years. Meanwhile this could get out of control before they get their legs under this.
in the absence of clear protocols because the cdc wants to play politics with ebola, the nurse cannot be blamed when the cdc says the virus is not aerosol. according to the cdc the medical staff(or the public) had nothing to fear.
the cdc and the hospital are criminally responsible for this outbreak. blaming the med staff is stupid!
Day _______ The FAA still hasn't issued aircraft cleaning guidelines for a known Ebola exposure.
Calm down. That APA notice of proposed rule-making procedure takes time.
Don't worry - Ebola will wait.
Bars, clubs, restaurants, airlines, cruise lines are all going to be dead.
How about schools?
Yep, ALL schools, public, private, K-college, vocational, whatever. Also, airlines gotta stop flying.
CDC gotta stop lying and evading responsibility for misinformation. Caretakers are NOT to blame (Frieden's blaming them makes him look like a POS desperately flailiing to float to the top) when they've been misinformed or mal-informed. Or NOT informed. Or NOT given the correct protective gear. Wrapping surgical tape around their necks? Please... They should have left the building the first minute management parked the ebola case in the open hallway.
Fever is a common symptom of many medical conditions:
Persistent fever that cannot be explained after repeated routine clinical inquiries is called fever of unknown origin.
You just spent a week taking care of a guy who died from ebola, at a hospital where a nurse following CDC guidelines had also caught the virus - you note a slight fever before you are about to board an aluminum tube that recycles your and everyone else's air.
If you don't think you might have ebola and be infectious - you're a literal moron. If you do know that you do have a fair or good chance of being infectious and board - you're willing to gamble with the lives of dozens of people to get home in time for Judge Judy.
who says she had a fever?
This is your defense - that they're lying about a fever in order to frame a nurse?
Seriously???
Presumably - she said she'd had a fever which is why it has been reported. Sorry - I'll assume this was the case rather than sign on to an a priori conspiracy theory about a phantom fever.
In any event - given the fact she had cared for an ebola patient who had died, and further, that at least one other nurse was known to have become infected - basic medical caution would have counseled not potentially endangering dozens of other people during the incubation period of a disease, particularly as viral shedding could, very well, occur prior to symptoms in at least some people - as even a nurse should know.
who says she wanted to watch judge judy?
Leftist politicians don't care if you and your family die.
JUST as long as their voter imprtation and nulification programs, that don't exsit, remain in effect.
Oh, and by the way, there's no conspiracy or anything...
They don't care it you die. You'll still be voting for them though.
How do you define leftist or right wing? They both are owned by banksters, no?
"the CDC is scrambling to find all those passengers who had flown with her"
No they're not. The CDC may very well allow enough time for these people to spread the disease that the US Gov intentionally unleashed. Hard to believe but it will sink in eventually.
So, this is a nurse who jumped the guy and shagged him while he was on his death bed? Thereby exchanging bodily fluids.
Or... their biosafety level ... what were they using at this prestigious hospital?
or It's airborne?
Ladies and Gents. It's ON, and the medical staff are going to quit rather than die.
You prepped? Got your hazmat suit? Got your bugout location organised? Water, food, zombie kit?
Airborne? She took TWO flights! I said so TWICE....har-har. Laughing matter unlike that matter she left behind on two flights.
Cavs are fucked...
Yep. All ready!
Of course I am staying home.
Girl has single-handedly changed the definition of Amber alert.
2 points:
1. At 99.5 you probably don't even realize you have a fever.
2. I find it hard to believe that you aren't contagious well before you have a fever. The body heats up as it tries to fight off an infection, but this requires the virus to reproduce enough to require the body to work that hard to fight it off. Well before then, I suspect the infection can be spread.
According to Wikipedia (I know), 99.5 is within the normal range:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_temperature
However, the fact that she took the trouble to measure it might mean she was experiencing other symptoms.
But all of those Dallas staff should have been monitored daily for Ebola (especially after Nina Pham fell ill). Once again Frieden and the CDC are behind the curve on this.
If you go to the ER and your temp is under 100.4, you are going to be sent right back home, perhaps with a couple of tylenol.
And a $1000 medical bill.
OM... Zzz...zzz...zz..z... !!!
Airborne? She flew TWICE.
Panic in the streets in one, two, three...what's on TV?
Not sure what has happened to ZH commentators...
It's the government, since when is anyone expecting integrity, honesty and competence???
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/15/texas-health-care-w...
So where is going to be the next case?
Nina Pham's boyfriend is reported to have ebola symptoms.
So you're saying there's a chance.
You complete me, you had me at EBOLA
No shit. He was bangin that at least once a day.
where does nina pham's boyfriend work?
She is black. I called that before I even saw her photo. How fucking ignorant you have to be to do what she did. I knew it had to be some black bitch who did this. Sorry about the racist implications but I was right.
Please make sure to take a similar public victory lap next time you are wrong. Shithead.
Her racial status is why she is being sent to Emory. Dallas Presb can't risk another negro dying from Ebola at their hospital. The race agitators are already circling the water over Duncan.
proudly stuck on stupid since birth.
Yes, Vinson is black, but I didn't see Oleander blasting Pham on this forum when she was admitted. Maybe Vinson had no idea she was getting sick, and that is why she took the flight. Are you saying that NO ONE who works at the ER or isolation unit at Texas Presbyterian should be allowed to travel? Maybe give a pass to everyone who isn't black?
Yes l am an ass for saying it. She is more ignorant and selfish for getting on the plane and going to see her fiance. She knew her coworker was lying in that hospital with ebola. She knew she had assisted an ebola patient who had died. She knew! Noone was going to tell her she should not to fly- she had every right to go! She was entitled, and now her fiance has a lot more to worry about than the seating chart. The people who put these nurses in that room without the right equipment should all resign. I do not blame the nurses for getting ebola. I am just amazed at the total lack of human decency Amber displayed by flying to an from Cleveland knowing what she knew.
Now we know that she called the CDC and explained her situation and asked for their guidance. We know the CDC told her it was ok to fly. Do you want to keep backtracking, you racist shithead, or have you had enough?
The only positive thing about your ignorance is that it will hasten your demise. Here's hoping your a frequent flieder.
Nina Pham is one nude picture away from being the hot young face of ebola.
If I was her boyfriend, I'd have Ebola too, because I'd be getting on that just about every night.
Hey does have Ebola, victim number three. But the MSM has been told to sit on the story so not to create a panic .
do the people blaming the nurses benefit from blaming the nurses?
for fuck's sake.
For my part, I'm blaming this fucking nurse - who by any argument, needlessly endangered dozens of people.
Stop the reflexive defensiveness and think like a public health official.
Would you advise someone who had cared for a guy who had died of ebola, at a hospital where another nurse following hospital protocols, such as they were, was infected, to fly on 2 flights, during the incubation period, not knoing for sure when or if infectiousness could set in?
Of course not.
Recycled air in planes increases the danger considerably, by the way - in a way I on't think Dr. Gupta quite grasps.
Blame your government for lying and embracing political correctness instead of common sense.
"Of course not."
PC mentality - downplay the infectiousness because of the geographical source of the infection.
So of course yes - that is exactly what they would do.
IF she lives....She should die.
Dr. Gupta thinks he gets fresh air on planes. Really? Not a careful reader. Does not appreciate the fuel cost savings realized by not letting any in.
Airliners are pressurized. Where the fuck do you think that air comes from? JFC, you just made that shit up, didn't you?
They will not, in the long run. They are the ones who educate them, supply them, make rules for them, and manage them. They will not benefit from blaming them because the nurses can. walk. the. fuck. away.
Eat that America.
For those who have said nurses are brainless...
Don't they have to get through some serious chemistry and math? I have known of students who have washed out because they could not hack it in these courses or biology. Many nurses I have met could become doctors if they set their minds to it.
Don't sell them short.
" They will not benefit from blaming them because the nurses can. walk. the. fuck. away."
Yes, a few days benefit from deflecting attention away from precisely what were those nurses told and then bam as their staff walk away.
Wait a minute, aren’t most nurses living paycheck to paycheck bitching about 20 year old student loans?
Nobody walks away from anywhere in Economic Prison.
I dont know about "most nurses" and "Economic Prison," but if the choice presented is "your money or your life" how would YOU choose? Self preservation is a remakably strong impulse.
While I can appreciate your position on the nursing profession, much like the fact that I personally know some cops who are very, very solid individuals, they are in a tiny minority which is shrinking by the month due to PC hiring policies. I recently (the last 2 months) met a woman who is a certified RN that was teaching LPN wannabes who basically quit out of disgust due to her being FORCED to pass batches of failing "students" who could barely speak English. I have personally witnessed this when I first met my wife who was thinking about becoming a nurse (bad idea) and we were interviewing all these strip mall "nursing schools" that were nothing short of LPN factories full of FOB immigrant women from Somalia mostly but a lot from Thailand, Vietnam, etc.. It is no surprise at all then to hear the last names being Vietnamese / Thai / etc. "Never assume conspiracy when stupidity will suffice."