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What QE4: US Monetizable Deficit Drops To Just $483 Billion, Or 2.8% Of GDP

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Remember that in addition to its primary function, which is to push stocks higher i.e., the "wealth effect", the Fed's Quantitative Easing has another just as important role: to monetize the US deficit. Which is why the news that was released moments ago from the Treasury, namely that the US deficit for Fiscal 2014 has just fallen to a meager $483 billion, or 2.8% of GDP (mostly thanks to the GSE inbound receipts which in turn were courtesy of the latest dead cat bounce in housing), and down from $680 billion a year ago, is hardly what the BTFDers were hoping for.

Fiscal 2014:

Fiscal 2013:

But this is great news for the US right?

Sure, it is also horrible news for all those liquidity addicts who hope that the Fed can engage in another $1 trillion or so QE program, because at this rate the US will only issue a net ~$250 billion in debt in 2015 (before the demographic crunch takes the deficit to the moon again after 2016).

It thus means that if the Fed takes away a net $800 billion from the market in 2015 if it does in fact launch another massive, $1 trillion QE, then the Fed's ownership of the entire marketable US bond market, when expressed in 10 Year equivalent terms, would rise from the current 35% to somewhere just about 50%, in the process destroying any remaining liquidity that US bonds may have, precisely what the TBAC was complaining about last summer.

So anyone hoping that today's tumble is merely a precursor to more QE, think again. Then again, there is a simple loophole: just tell Obama and Congress to spend, spend, spend, as fast as possible. Traditionally, they have had zero problems with following this directive.

 

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Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:15 | 5334185 nink
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Shares in popcorn going up. Nail biter

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:19 | 5334205 Honey Badger
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I'm short mirrors in Hugh Hendry's house.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:20 | 5334214 nink
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What ever they do it better be quick we are losing the patient MEDIC

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:16 | 5334188 hedgeless_horseman
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And all along I thought the supply of heavy-lift helicopters was the rate-limiting factor.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:17 | 5334194 Billy Shears
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Yes, and now we have some "room" for taking on another war! Happy days are here again!

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:18 | 5334200 itchy166
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Long Tomahawks

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:19 | 5334204 orangegeek
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block that field goal

 

block that punt

 

kick that yellen in the POOOOMOOOOOO!!!

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:19 | 5334210 Honey Badger
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QE4 will be helicopter money to the masses.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:24 | 5334229 pods
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Nope, that will never happen unless someone borrows it first.

pods

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 13:03 | 5335036 Honey Badger
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It has happened before, about 6-7 years ago. 

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:20 | 5334216 Cthonic
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They'll buy student loans and subprime car fodder... right?

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 21:57 | 5338925 daveO
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More MBS too.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:21 | 5334219 SmallerGovNow2
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How does one reconcile that with this...

If you want to know what the real budget deficit is, all you have to do is go to a U.S. Treasury website which calculates the U.S. national debt to the penny. On September 30th, 2013 the U.S. national debt was sitting at $16,738,183,526,697.32. As I write this, the U.S. national debt is sitting at $17,742,108,970,073.37. That means that the U.S. national debt has actually grown by more than a trillion dollars in less than 12 months.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-u-s-national-debt-has-grown-by-more-than-a-trillion-dollars-in-the-last-12-months

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:23 | 5334234 MarkD
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SGN...

I say the same thing..... but folks like the fake headlines.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 12:23 | 5334611 JonNadler
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off-budget  bi**hezz

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:28 | 5334262 Al Huxley
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Stop confusing me with your math!  If the government says the deficit is 483 billion, then that's what it is, don't show me 'facts' and 'figures' that contradict that, it makes me upset!

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 13:02 | 5335005 CaptOveur
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Yeah, but there are something like 120M slaves, oops, I mean private workers, so if you divide the increase in federal debt by the people who are going to eventually pay for it, it's only an  additional $8,333 over last year. Is it really too much to ask the workers to pick another couple acres of cotton?

Sincerely,
-TPTB

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 13:41 | 5335408 Porous Horace
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I was wondering about those numbers, too. From

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current

FY 2013
10/01/2012  16,159,487,013,300.35
09/30/2013  16,738,183,526,697.32
                     $578,696,513,396.97

FY 2014
10/01/2013  $16,747,478,675,335.18
09/30/2014  $17,824,071,380,733.82
                    $1,076,592,705,398.64

The article has 2013 too high and 2014 too low, assuming the Treasury Dept's figures are accurate. Of course, nobody has the figures for how much income the CIA makes from the drug trade and covert ownership of businesses, or how much of that is spent.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:25 | 5334237 pragmatic hobo
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... time for obama dam ...

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:27 | 5334255 takeaction
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My poop was floating today...

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:32 | 5334292 Al Huxley
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It always kills me when I read articles where the unavoidable conclusion is that our biggest problem is 'we don't have enough debt' and the solution is 'we need to spend more money we don't have, or we're all doomed'.  This is the problem that results from creating a system based on faulty axioms and then letting it run to its inevitable conclusion. 

 

Of course, for many on the inside, the 'faulty axioms' are probably intentional.  You know, that old 'give me control of the money and I don't care who runs the country' saw from one of those Rothschild guys...

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 13:47 | 5335458 NotApplicable
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Well, it's the biggest problem in sustaining the ponzi. In this case, it isn't the axiom that's flawed, but rather, the ponzi masquerading as an economy that it refers to.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:42 | 5334350 vote_libertaria...
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uhhhh....QE got nut-in' to do with the deficit if you write your own rules.

 

Buy Treasuries...check

MBS...check

securitized auto loans....check

securitized student loans...check

securitized payday loans...check

etc..

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:44 | 5334355 Dr. Engali
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Nothing a little off budget (budget LOL) war won't fix.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:48 | 5334377 ekm1
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There will NOT be any QE4

 

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:53 | 5334405 WillyGroper
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Why ekm1?

Dollar collapse?

Anarchy?

Military growing a pair?

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:59 | 5334450 ekm1
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World is abandoning USD.

If QE 4, world simply dump it.

Globalization dead

Economic misery ensues

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 14:04 | 5335601 WillyGroper
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What is your perspective on globalization's funeral playing out?

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 12:11 | 5334530 the grateful un...
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no without the deficit and the need to monetize, there is no rationale for QE. QE only exists in a financial vacuum. the fed sells acts as middle man from UST to the banks, converting bonds into cash, QE is just a subset of that, in which the FED then buys the bonds back. monetization has been called a check kiting scheme, QE is an additional layer. if the need to write the checks in the first place is reduced their ability to leverage the monetized capital is reduced also. like what happens to mortage derivatives if there are no more mortgages? there is some talk of the FED monetizing directly to the public, instead of the banks, but that might be difficult to implement, without Congressional approval, and harder still to regulate. eventually everyone in the game knows its a ponzi scheme, even the new suckers, who refuse to play.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 11:55 | 5334394 fuu
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The bounce has come undone.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 12:01 | 5334457 jpc578
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The deficit for FY13 (Oct 1, 2012 to Sept 30, 2013) was $680.2 billion. The Federal Reserve's holdings of US Treasuries from October 3, 2012 to October 2, 2013 increased by $424 billion.  The Fed monetized 62.3 percent of the deficit for that year.

 

The FY14 deficit was $483.4 billion. The Federal Reserve's holdings of US Treasuries increased by $374.8 billion from October 2, 2013 to October 1, 2014. The Fed monized 77.5 percent of the deficit in FY14.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 12:31 | 5334715 the grateful un...
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the FED has been operating under GSE rules, if their balance sheet is impaired the paper goes back to UST. its always possible Congress could break that assumption, but as you point out, if the bond bubble breaks (and the paper that covers 77% of the deficit in this banana republic is called into question) somebody is going to have to fall on their sword. a couple of scenarios, the Fed is busted, and their (deferred) assets are placed off balance sheet. since the bonds are phantom collateral it would make no sense to print an equivalent amount of cash to repatriot the bonds, who would you give it to? and the resulting inflation would be more than hyper. its also possible than another bank like Goldman might take over the Feds role, or a group of banks, and backstop them with some real capital (pension funds they have to invest) and them might want a bit more power than they already have to call the shots.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 12:04 | 5334459 gcjohns1971
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Deficit $483 Billion? Yeah, right.

1 October 2013 TOTAL DEBT:   $16,747,478,675,335.18

1 October 2014 TOTAL DEBT:  $17,824,071,380,733.82

What do you call the amount you spend which is greater than what you earn?  Oh yeah!  It's called a 'DEFICIT'. 

And for the last year THE DEFICIT was $1,076,592,705,398.64.

 

The Government has this other statistic called the, "DEAFASSHIT". It is a statistic that was developed to enhance government elected personnel retention (a.k.a. 'winning elections').

It was the DEAFASSHIT for FY 2014 that was $483 Billion.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 12:30 | 5334711 AdvancingTime
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For a long time much of the economic landscape has started to look like something out of  "Alice And The Looking Glass" A bizarre  and unrecognizable land, a land that is distorted and papered over by ream after ream of paper. This paper has been rolling off the printing presses of central banks all across the world in an attempt to mask reality.

Peter Schiff says, printing money is to the economy what taking drugs is to a drug addict. In the short term it makes the economy feel good, but in the long run it is much worse off. The article below delves how what was once the "long run" or "distant future" where this might end may be getting much closer.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-happens-after-momentum-ends_6.html

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 12:54 | 5334931 Amerikan Patriot
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This article is inaccurate.  The annual deficit is still at $1 trillion - not $483 billion.  Why?  Off-budget items aren't included in the budget deficit calculation, but we're nevertheless coming up short $1 trillion a year...still.

See for yourself.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/current

 

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 13:03 | 5335038 SillyWabbits
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Government MATH

21X7=13

The Solve

(7*1)=   7

(7*2)=14

7+14=21

 

This is your government in action!

No need to thank us …. We’re here for you.

Wed, 10/15/2014 - 21:14 | 5338608 AdvancingTime
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At one time a billion dollars was a lot of money and it still is. Most people that haven't given it much thought might not think so considering how modern media and politicians throw the "B" word around. On several occasions I have heard both Washington politicians and the news media accidentally confuse a billion dollars with its much smaller sister the million marker.

This drives me crazy. With a billion dollars being a thousand time larger this confusion is undefendable.  The article below is a primmer on the ugly math of our debt delving into how much it cost each and every American when the government spends a billion dollar.

http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2014/10/an-ugly-math-primer-on-american-d...

Thu, 10/16/2014 - 07:41 | 5340381 Mi Naem
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"At one time a billion dollars was a lot of money and it still is.

Pearls of wisdom to make Yogi Berra blush. 

Thu, 10/16/2014 - 00:15 | 5339707 red1chief
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I will "think again", and there will be more QE. If they lack treasuries, other assets will be bought.

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