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FBI To America: "Let Us Spy On You"
"If you like your phone secretly spied on, you can keep it," appears to be the message from the FBI, as Bloomberg reports, FBI Director James Comey said yesterday that companies like Apple and Google should be required to build surveillance capabilities into their products to help law enforcement with their probes. Technology has become “the tool of choice” for terrorists and other dangerous criminals, Comey fears(and so Americans should willingly give up their privacy?) "we are struggling to keep up with changing technology and maintain our ability to actually collect communications we are authorized to collect." Concluding with his M.A.D. "it's for your own good" propaganda, Comey warned "if the challenges of real time data interception threatened to leave us in the dark, encryption threatens to lead us all to a very dark place."
The expanding options for communicating over the Internet and the increasing adoption of encryption technologies could leave law enforcement agents “in the dark” and unable to collect evidence against criminals, the Director of the FBI said in a speech on Thursday.
In a post-Snowden plea for a policy more permissive of spying, FBI Director James B. Comey raised the specters of child predators, violent criminals, and crafty terrorists to argue that companies should build surveillance capabilities into the design of their products and allow lawful interception of communications. In his speech given at the Brookings Institute in Washington DC, Comey listed four cases where having access to a mobile phone or laptop proved crucial to an investigation and another case where such access was critical to exonerating wrongly accused teens.
All of that will go away, or at least become much harder, if the current trend continues, he argued.
“Those charged with protecting our people aren’t always able to access the evidence we need to prosecute crime and prevent terrorism even with lawful authority,” Comey said in the published speech. “We have the legal authority to intercept and access communications and information pursuant to court order, but we often lack the technical ability to do so.”
Technology has become “the tool of choice” for terrorists and other dangerous criminals and default encryption settings on devices and networks are becoming an obstacle for law enforcement, Comey said.
Providers of new communication services should create a “front door” method to intercept data as certain technology isn’t covered by legislation that requires telecom companies to have monitoring capabilities, FBI Director James Comey said yesterday at a Brookings Institution event in Washington.
“We are struggling to keep up with changing technology and maintain our ability to actually collect communications we are authorized to collect,” Comey said.
“If the challenges of real time data interception threatened to leave us in the dark, encryption threatens to lead us all to a very dark place,” Comey said.
Not everyone is buying into the idea that we all need to sacrifice our privacy for the good of the whole... (as Bloomberg reports)
Some data security experts, including Jonathan Turley, a constitutional-law professor at The George Washington University Law School, say assertions that new technology hampers law enforcement are exaggerated because police can still obtain evidence through traditional court warrants. Much of the data sent to or from the devices can also still be captured and investigators can hack software to collect evidence.
“Now, more than ever, we need strong security to combat malicious hackers and deter overly intrusive government surveillance,” Nuala O’Connor, president of the nonprofit Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington, said in response to Comey’s speech yesterday. “Law enforcement already has many legitimate ways to obtain the data stored on our devices,” O’Connor said in a statement.
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Google have not responded (yet) but Apple's Tim Cook wrote:
“We have never worked with any government agency from any country to create a backdoor in any of our products or services. We have also never allowed access to our servers. And we never will.”
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and i thought the ZH fight club was paraniod...
Where's Bullard? He may be needed stat:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/17/ebola-pentagon/1743...
Ebola scare closes Pentagon parking lot
Tom Vanden Brook, USA TODAY
2 minutes ago – Authorities cordoned off a portion of a Pentagon parking lot Friday morning after a woman who recently traveled Africa began vomiting there, sparking concerns about a potential Ebola problem, officials said.
The incident began at about 9:10 a.m. Pentagon police and the Arlington County Fire Department converged on the area and restricted access to it. The woman indicated that she had been to Africa where the Ebola virus that has killed thousands in the west.
The woman was taken to a hospital in nearby Fairfax County, and a large portion of the parking lot was closed to vehicles and people on foot. An entrance on the south side the massive Pentagon building was closed as well.
This is so fucking cointelpro bullshit. The surveillance capabilites are already there. They seek to convince the public they are not by complaining that they should have them. Total fucking BS.
he's got fomo
How on earth did these idiots catch ANYONE doing anything wrong 20 or 30 years ago? You don't need blanket ability to check on everyone in real time asshole. Go get a warrant after you have probable cause. Otherwise, its guilty until proven innocent. You are guilty just for existing and must prove your innocence every second of every day.
Just pause and remember how shitty the world was in 1984 - the year I graduated from high school. Life was barely endurable, akin to slow torture. No Internet. No iPhones. No cell phones, for God's sake. Cars had tape players - that's it. There was maybe only 15 channels on TV, plus HBO and Showtime. A fast car had a 200HP engine!
I'm surprised people weren't committing suicide en masse in 1984.
I'd really honestly like to know why ISRAEL has full unfettered access to our intelligence metadata.
WHY??? WHYYY???????????
What the world needs now is crypto-anarchy. The government has no right to access anything ever whether they have an order or not. In fact, we should make it technically impossible for them to do so, so it becomes a non-issue.
James with the FBI....
is a comey!
and that's a fact Jack!
If you utter the words "I have nothing to hide" then you are part of the problem.
When they say "I have nothing to hide"
Pull down their pants...
and say "Your right"
What the world needs now is crypto-anarchy...
If I could click the green arrow a hundred times, I'd do it fo this post.
Cue Meg Ryan from Harry Met Sally... yes, Yes YES!
Why? What kind of cryptography do you need that isn't already available? It's all out there for free to use.
It's all useless since there's dozens of other ways to find out who you are and what device you're sending encrypted information from, who you are sending it to, and what device it's being decrypted on. So all they need to do is insert an exploit on your device to find out what you're encrypting before it's encrypted or insert an exploit on the other device to find out what was encrypted on the recieving end after it's decrypted. They don't need to crack the encryption itself - that's just a waste of time.
Encryption isn't going to do anything but flag your communications for a closer look. "Hey, NSA - I'm hiding something I don't want you to see. Nyaa nyaa." Crypto-anarchy is like communications security without opposable thumbs.
Your hardware, software and networks are all vulnerable to exploit right now - that's the way they were built and that's the way they're always going to be. Hardening one single link in a chain of 20 other weak links is useless.
Listen.
This FBI Director James Comey tries to come off as such a nice guy. Full of integrity, concerned, polite, well educated.
The USSA need some true patriots to wake up and teach this fony fool a lesson. Let the USSA FBI blood flow into the streets!
you are truly insane. calling for blood to flow is criminally, sub-humanly stupid, unless you let yours be the first to splash onto the curb. It would be good for you to be a first, best example. We'll all watch you now; for leadership and spine and integrity, etc.
Listen.
Droning innocent people in far away lands is criminally, sub-humanly stupid. But you also, part of the problem, need a wake-up call. 6am good? Will that give you enough time to send your American call girl home with a tip, and clean up your cocaine mirror? .gov troll.
only a genuine fool would renounce violence in the face of aggression. we are being agressed upon...you go ahead and roll over and that blood you are afraid to spill will be yours alone.
Don't be so anti-semitic, you racist bastard.
Probably a paid troll, here to hijack threads that Sunstein doesn't like.
I used to ride to HS on a motorcycle. I think the insurance was 75 bucks a year. Not sure how much 75 bucks buys in data these days.
Google has never knowingly created back doors, but every version of Chrome has a severe critical vinerability that gives remote acess to an outside source of "unknown" origins.
Listen.
That's how US DOJ rooted Windoz right?
Bill you have 2 choices:
1) Admit that you run a monopoly and we will break you into 100 pieces.
2) Give us an account on your Perforce Server.
They were tapped into landlines back then. .Gov is way ahead of us with tech - they have the budget.
I had just pulled that article up and now USSA Today has disappeared it.
Poof - webpage gone, too.
"OH, SNAP!
The Page you requested cannot be displayed.
This page may have moved or no longer exists. You can search for the page you were looking for or go back to USATODAY home"
HERE IT IS AT WASH POST:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/10/17/ebola-scare-...
Yeah they pulled it when the editors realized they hadn't asked the Administration's permission to run the article. Ha ha.
At Yahoo!
http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-scare-pentagon-woman-vomits-parking-lot-1644...
Listen.
Hanging out over at Yahoo are you?
I too support the FBI's need to have full control of everyone's phone calls and messages.
How else can they be sure of foiling the plots they initiate?
That "dark place" the FBI warns of is very real. It consists of FBI stooges wandering the coutryside with live explosives they got from the FBI, which compromised phones help them keep track of so they can get their FEMA response teams positioned into a training exercise nearby in time.
I've also noticed that ebola stories are getting increasingly sanitised, time-released, and/or disappeared on the net. The hand of .gov definitely concerned about markets and perception management.
Agree. Limited hang-out.
Take matters into your own sphere of influence and use methods which 'fly under their radar'. PrivacyEnvelope dot com
You're welcome.
Listen.
Nice software from the USSA NSA. Thx.
Some people cannot be helped. Sorry to see that you have revealed yourself as one. Good luck to you.
Listen.
Here's how you can help me.
Get off the wires! Person-to-person is the only way to communicate and when you do make sure the room is dry, Zero Electronics!
Including the TV/cable box, it has an IP stack, it can listen and watch.
Wake up "ZEROS"!
I like to sit in front of the TV and talk about "our" plan as the ruling party to round up and kill all the useful idiots (government security officers) once they have finished building the system for total control. Once it is built we will not need them any more. That goes for their families too.
I wonder what the reaction is on the other end of the wire...
Such tactics are probably better than trying to hide your mundane information anyway. Overload the system with BS and maybe put a little fear in their heads while at it.
Listen.
How 'bout a hard drive full of disgusting porno pics. You know, the ugly gals.
swrich:
Agreed.
Also - Snowden basically seems to go along with the offical 9/11 narrative, and does not mention any .gov fuckery... indeed, that may be one of his primary roles. More subtle than Agent Cameron, eh>?
agree 100%. this is nothing but false info with the purpose of fooling people into thinking they actually have privacy. I don't buy it for a second. This is pure theater, to put forth the idea that we don't live in an advanced fascist survillence state where these companies and the govt work hand in hand to keep us in our electronic concentration camp. what a farce. There is no privacy, and the idea that these companies would go against big daddy govt in favor of private individuals and their privacy is absurd and naive.
QUICK!
Call Ebola Vomit pressure washer man.
James Comey?
You mean that dood who was on the board of directors of the legal arm of the US Chamber of Commerce (USCoC), their National Chamber Litigation Center?
You mean that dood who was with the largest hedge fund in the world?
You mean that dood who was chief counsel of Lockheed Martin?
You mean that dood who was on the board of major drug money launderer, HSBC Holdings?
You mean that dood who clerked for Bush cousin, Judge John Walker?
You mean that dood who was with the notorious Gibson, Dunn and Crutcher shyster firm? [Citizens, United, Bush v. Gore, Iran/Contra]
Now why wouldn't I believe that dood?
Yah. Ameica is closed for business until the alphabet agenices can read and follow the 4rth and 5th amendments.
If I make a widget -and its better than and cheaper than my comptitor, some little FBI dick is gonna have a nice side-line business undermining me to my competitors
If I'm in a nasty divorce, some little FBI dick is going to have a nice little sideline trading stories with mine and his/her attorney
If I need a job contracted for-some little FBI dick can retail my financial situation to anybody wanting to submit a bid.
The system doesn't work without the 4rth and 5th ammnement folks.
"Technology has become “the tool of choice” for terrorists and other dangerous criminals...."
"....including those that serve government"
Amendment IV.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Now go to hell.
they dont care...
NOW REPORT TO A FEMA CAMP...
They send one of ours to the FEMA camp, we send one of theirs to the morgue. It's the Shitcongo way! (in my best gangster voice)
And until this is how everyone starts playing the game, the game will be won by them.
Cpt. - Best Regards, Ex INF 1lt myself, University of illinois ROTC;
Date of Commission May 1987.
AirBrone Tab as a cadet in 86.
prior enlisted 11B, OSUT at Ft Benning 1984.
Honroable discharge 1995.
Still lean, but less mean thanks to the Lord and my dear wife and daughter.
Remeber the Oath
I, _____, having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
cited from
http://www.army.mil/values/officers.html
So, Sir, What do we do about the "and Domestic" part?
I've been awaitng orders in this regard from some time now.
Recenly began hoping USMC Gen Matttis calls on all of us.
You have to love this guy:
"We’ve backed off in good faith to try and give you a chance to straighten this problem out. But I am going to beg with you for a minute. I'm going to plead with you, do not cross us. Because if you do, the survivors will write about what we do here for 10,000 years."
Now thats a message to the domestic enemies of the Constitution i wish we all took to Capital Hill and the ABC Agencies.
link to Mattis Quotes
http://www.businessinsider.com/general-maddog-mattiss-best-quotes-2013-1...
My wife is Japanese, so we trained in Kendo and I have a certain regard for the Bushido ethic of the Samurai.
There is a warrior poet about some of them which is deeply appealing.
Mattis embodies some of this "thoughtful badass" for our generation
"If in order to kill the enemy you have to kill an innocent, don’t take the shot. Don’t create more enemies than you take out by some immoral act."
"Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet."
"I come in peace. I didn't bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you f* with me, I’ll kill you all."
consider the possibility that the CIA {for eg} is in fact an international criminal syndicate, involving British and Israeli spooks and mercs, amongst others, and that it controls the governments more than the reverse.
If that's the case - there needs to be a military solution, and that's not going to be regular army.
That's going to be guys who've seen how the sausage is made, but our "our" bastards...
thank you for your service...
this is a tough one...
my family served in the revolution...a direct ancestor was at YORKTOWN...until Cornwallis lowered his flags he was just a REBEL, AN ANARCHIST....A TRAITOR to his country..ENGLAND! NOW..not so much...
we make our choices in life...for right or wrong!
CHOOSE WISELY!
for fence sitting is not an option, anymore...
enlisted 85-93, comissioned 93-06
non promotable due to 'illness' ..a common one..called having a purple heart ;)
remember...what you do and dont do, either way, will effect your family and friends..again 'choose wisely'
Thanks Cpt.
we covered some similar years and terrain, days of the BDU, shiny jumpboots, the M-16A2, PRC-77, and brown tee shirts that our own sweat stains bright orange.
I saw your post on Harmony Chirch. I was at Sand Hill, so got my dose of those WWII barriacks later at Ft. Riley and in Ft. McCoy. Been to Benning on 3 occassions totalling over a year of my life.
no purple heart for me, but had a knee rebuit at Benning, torn ACL. ended my quest for a ranger tab.
Our family was admitted to Daughters of American Revolution in 2004. on my fathers grandmothers side of the family, someone fought who was named Sgt Harper.
You've welcome in my camp any time.
+1000 to Bumbu Sauce .
The US Constitution should be the last word on the topic..
BUT I like the amendment text - "Now go to hell"
We could add that to the ending of all 10 amendments in The Bill of Rights and I would vote for it.
That clarification alone would make the job of SCOTUS much easier IMHO....
Yes, the Fourth ( http://www.zerohedge.com/users/fourth ). Don't look for anyone but you to preserve your Right. Nostalgia is an illusion.
Couldn't agree more Bumbu. Unfortunately, the ultimate enforcement of the Constitution lies with the people. Currently, the enforcers seem to be sleeping. Hope they wake up soon.
“If the challenges of real time data interception threatened to leave us in the dark, encryption threatens to lead us all to a very dark place.”
So, basically they want to launch a War On Math.
"And we shall not waiver until pi is rational and all derogatory terms for numbers, like 'imaginary', are eliminated!"
No they shouldn't! Which part of secure in one's personal affairs and effects don't they understand?
FUCKERS!
This just shows that they've had access all along. Only now when it's becoming more difficult are they saying anything.
Ummmm....trying to search for an appropriate response here....let's see...oh yeah, I got it...
FUCK YOU, FBI, CIA, NSA, .GOV, IRS, DHS, HHS, TSA, and FED-RES SCUM BAGS! And fuck you too, CDC...just for good measure. Hope I didn't forget anybody there.
Treasonous bitchez...
You forgot AIPAC and Isr-A-hole
and the CZARS..
dont forget the czars...
Pretty sure the majority fall into the above 2 categories.
they want to spy on you to keep america safe, but they don't want to secure the borders, or keep ebola patients in their homeland. This is all crap. these aholes only want to control americans, not protect them.
I don't have a dumb phone or a Crapbook account.
Next!
October 21, 2011 - FBI recommends encryption:
http://www.fbi.gov/news/speeches/responding-to-the-cyber-threat
"Managing the consequences of a cyber attack entails minimizing the harm that results when an adversary does break into a system.
An example would be encrypting data so the hacker can’t read it, or having redundant systems that can readily be reconstituted in the event of an attack. "
It's for the children....
I thought they already have all of these capabilities? Are they trying to stir up the masses?
If they can enter your phone without reasonable suspicion of crime for the purpose of finding a crime, they can enter your phone for the purpose of planting a crime, or committing one.
How is it possible to police the police if they have this power?
"...they can enter your phone for the purpose of planting a crime, or committing one."
Yup. Many people miss that in their "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" BS.
From the government thugs' point of view it is: "What's not present can be planted."
An American, not US subject.
Had a Chicago friend last year tell me, "Nothing to hide, nothing to fear." So I asked him about the many Burge-Daley torture-beuracracy victims sent to prison who also had nothing to hide. That is until they were kidnapped by "serve and protect" thugs off the streets and tortured into confessions. Nothing, but silence and brooding. And the guy is smarter than me. People just don't fucking think.
that's what they've been doing for years too. It's called "parallel contstruction". They illegally obtain evidence or plant evidence on someone they're targeting before they ever get a warrant. Then after the fact they create a story for the judge in order to get the warrant they need and then they go after them.
The judges and grand juries are all in on this shit together as well. They've all been planted into the system and the good 'ol boy network so that the cops and feds always get what they want and are never found guilty of any crimes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
i've been looking to get into a new startup business
uhh, does anyone know where i can get my hands on a few hundred carrier pigeons??
The fed and the government are the same idiots. If you want to stop terrorism, STOP CREATING TERRORISTS. If you kill some kid's parents, that kid will probably become a terrorist. Half of the movies in the 1980s had this as their plot. Bad guy kills good guy's brother or something, good guy (Van Damme) learns martial arts, good guy kills everyone in that organization. The terrorists are just like us but they have weird middle east accents instead of french accents. They have the same fantasies about killing the people who killed their parents. Just like Batman.
If Amerika gets "Red Dawn'd" ... those hoo fight back are Patriots
when we (often) "Red Dawn" someone else ... those hoo fight back are Terrrrrrerrrists
"The fed and the government are the same idiots. If you want to stop terrorism, STOP CREATING TERRORISTS."
Sort of my line of thinking. If you need more tech weapons to fight crime, stop creating so many bogus criminal laws. If these guys in govt. understood the foundational concepts of the founders they should appreciate the idea that people can use the technology for extending greater liberty rather than being concerned about the govt. watching their every move. If you want to focus on criminals, just go to Wall St. and DC. There is plenty of action in those places.
the bond market ain't buying the stock market's act
Both markets are rigged.
All markets are rigged.
Are you a troll?
"All markets are rigged."
Let me guess - you own a lot of metal?
You own a lot of ink?
You own a lot of ink?
+10000
FBI wants to give away free encryption software.
They promise not to spy by using the key.
I bet most idiots would download and open it.
Retards would actually use it.
Only a criminal government need spy on the people.
An American, not US subject.
I'm observing and making a list of names. My guillotine list.
Madame Defarge. Bon retour!
I understand this won't work for everyone, but I dropped the contract about three years ago and buy unlocked, prepaid phones. I use it primarily to access ZH from work via WiFi and communicate, free via Viber. I can buy a new sim anywhere and it uses South American bands so I can be relatively anonymous anywhere. Fuck you .gov!
Make sure to only buy the prepaid phone with cash.
And you could add: And no one should be able to carry a gun except the police, and everyone should carry his papers so he can be identified at any checkpoint in the cities, businesses or outside his home.
And those who do not comply, must be detained.
Signed: Josef Stalin
This is an important debate to have. I don't like that the authorities think they can sneak into my communications whenever they want. The idea that they should have some backdoor entry is ridiculous. If a company is capable of providing secure communications they should provide it, and no law should compel them to create a structural insecutiry.
Some of my communications are, get this...written! To-do lists, grocery lists, and the occasional note to my GF are written with a pen or pencil on paper. Since these have no electronic record, am I contributing to putting the "homeland" in that dark place? Should I be making electronic copies of these?
How does Comey reconcile on this one?...
Out of one corner of his mouth in that interview with CBS he says "Don't trust your political leadership" ... giving his sordid tale on what Alberto Gonzales and Dick Cheney did cornering then AG John Ashcroft in his hospital bed "to go AWOL on the Constitution" shortly after 9/11...
And then out the other side which must be his ass, he says that for the good of national in-security we really need a universal all-in-one key to back door every American's 4th Amendment guarantee to keep everyone safe!
These motherfuckers are all the same. The assholes and mouths are interchangeable!!
Should have finished that watch but I hate 60 minutes with a passion!!!
assume they listen to everything because they do
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticism
Fuck comey. Encrypt that you psycho-asshole.
Actual detective work seems to be beyond their capabilities so they want the pushbutton variety.
Are you referring to the two messages the Russkies sent to the USA regarding the two Boston bomber killers? With direct tips from foreign intelligence groups, the FBI "missed" these killers. They should get their heads up and out where there is sunshine and forget about JEdgar's blackmail files, etc. The management at the FBI needs some serious reorganization.
A classic case of 'mission creep'.
Instead of arresting the biggest domestic criminals, they are competing to BECOME the biggest domestic criminals.
Too fucking bad, Comey!
A secure nation is one secured from its government not ruled by it.
This kinda BLOWS TO SHIT the arguement that they weren't recording the content.
repost sorry
All this Technology and they wont go after Big Bank Fraud why should we trust them?
Spy, but don't "enforce", the so-called elite... Too funny, blah blah blah
Ponzi Scheme (QE money printing)
Bankers (FED audits)
Corzine (funds misplaced?)
Biden, Hunter , VP Joe Biden's son, (Cocaine use)
everything commercial has a back door.
everything.
I can assure that not everything has a "back door".
PrivacyEnvelope dot com
fair enough.
still isn't going to keep out .gov if they're real curious.
trust me.
I dare not estimate their capabilities.
If a user splits their file in two parts, the attack will need to correctly order the unique 126 byte keys. They have 126 factorial opportunities to take a guess. Only one guess will be the correct one.
Pretty difficult.
I mean, you're right - as a practical matter, it's possible that some commercial stuff is so tough to crack that as a practical matter no one could.
But the question is - does NSA and DIA and so on spend a lot of time cracking locks, or do they just steal {or otherwise obtain } keys?
I think you can guess. But for sure, most of us don't have much more to hide than maybe a little more time looking at a hairy mature porn site than we'd like our boss to know about. For that sort of thing... the high end commercial stuff will beyond local and state and most federal leos and such, sure.
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http://xkcd.com/538/
</obligatory>
Let me say it loud and clear:
Government IS the terrorist. Anything else is the boogeyman.
An American, not US subject.
The most important thing about 9/11, real or fake, is this:
The DC US government either faked the attacks and used their crimes overseas as the faux motivation of the attackers. Or the attacks were real and the DC US' crimes overseas were the attackers' motivation. Either way, the DC US government never denied their crimes overseas.
Why not just pass a law that all criminals and terrorists must turn themselves in to the FBI? Problem solved. No need for spying, just go to the front door of headquarters and wait for the crowd to show up.
Who would the FBI turn themselves into?
An American, not US subject.
no need. the tbtf have had criminality legalized and the common folks criminalized. the only solution is a huge open air prison, kinda like palestine and brought to you by the same people.
Our tax dollars at work... against us.
Where is the Mayflower and when is it leaving?
Mr FBI you first! If you dont have anything to hide no need to worry right?
BULLSHIT lois lerner BULLSHIT! You first asshole!
you kids don't really understand why us old guys miss the old usa. believe it or not, as an american resident you used to have the right to travel around the country, at will, anonymously as a law abiding citizen. in other words, .gov had no right to get into your shit unless you were a criminal. the philosophy, albeit always under attack, was that it was better to let a coupla criminals run free than to harass and convict an innocent person. all of that has been turned on its head.
.gov treats all of us like criminals with a so what attitude about incriminating innocent people with the warning that criminals may go free unless a few(many) innocent people go to jail.
For one simple reason.
Arresting cop or DA. presents false evidence or suppresses excupatory evidence, what happens?
Not much to the offenders. A civil case of awarding a judgement for the plaintiff results in money coming from the taxpayer.
If it's really an egregious case of blatant criminality, you might get an apology.
No accountability. No deterrent.
Listen.
It's absolutely astounding how all these American ZH members with military backgrounds are proud of themselves. Proud of their "Service".
Do you realize that "YOU" enabled what now "SURROUNDS" all Americans and people in this world.
How the fuck can you be proud of that? I'd be mortified, and embarrassed. A true "FILTHY" American.
A true USSA "PATRIOT" would tear it all down. "But, but, my pension". lol.
We knew only what the government and the controlled media told us. The gov took advantage of our naivete and patriotism.
Citizens do not need to justify a goddamn thing to the government: It is the government that needs to justify its actions to the citizens.
Yeah right, its called "damage control"
Encryption is working, FBI, NSA, CIA dont have access or masterkeys to it, I swear.. LOL
Mr. Comey, I prefer you in a very dark place, the darker the better
I agree with the FBI !!!
No cellphone maker should install any kind of encryption on their systems... PERIOD!!!
Leave it to the hackers to do that!
Works better, more reliable, publically auditable, etc...
Anyone who talks openly over the cell phone about committing a crime deserves to be caught -- however, do they really suspect that any ISIS operatives in the US will actually speak on a cell phone? More than likely they will just send text messages that are otherwise meaningless - such as "My sister's baby is due in six hours" or "Meet me at the agreed to time and location"
"If we cannot convict you of committing any crime, Mr. Capone, we will keep passing new laws until we find you guilty of something" == the Untouchables.
I wonder if these .Gov retards ever actually listen to the crap that's coming out of their mouths.
"Technology has become “the tool of choice” for terrorists and other dangerous criminals and default encryption settings on devices and networks are becoming an obstacle for law enforcement," Comey said.
I'm sure all terrorists have Verizon, or Tmobile accounts. Is the FBI familiar with burner phones? Any self respecting terrorist could pick one up at Wally Mart for about $20 cash, set-up his evil plan, and dump the phone. Exactly how would the FBI track that? They wouldn't of course, because the intent is to spy on us, not them.
Honestly, the messages themselves are useless to the FBI because they can be easily coded to mean anything. The real reason is that the FBI wants to track cell phones is to find out WHO you have been contacting -- then use the GPS in the other phones to track down anyone you are in contact with. That technology is already in place and is being used. Even if your phone is turned off, they can find it.
Anyone that buys this ridiculously transparent attempt to show consumers that Google and Apple are "taking on the govenment" for the public is about as stupid as they come. Suddenly tech company technology has not only shut out the Feds but is also too complex for them to hack on their own.
The general public is not that stupid. This tactic is just another example of the government assuming the people they serve is naive, stupid, ignorant and will believe whatever nonsense that comes out of their mouths. Sorry FBI, you will have to do better than this. Or, if it by some miracle happens to be true then you should ask your NSA buddies for the backdoor codes you seek.
The FBI is incompetent. They had O.J. Simpson on their radar for 5 months before he killed Nicole and Cato.
FBI = PROUDLY SPYING ON AMERICANS SNCE the 1940's.... still can't connect the dots.... glorified keystone cops focused on pc bendover muslim outreach....muzzies will oblige by cutting of their hand and then their head.... the bureaucrats who recently gave us the Tzarnov bros and prior to that ignored clear hard intel on 9/11... fat boys institute .... took two weeks to start to get to investigate benghazi while CNN had been there the day after... another joke on the ussa.. land of the free and home of the brave... used to be...now a glorified banana republic dictatorship...
They don't give a crap about tracking terrorists. The Russians actually _warned_ them about the Tsarnaev brothers, and they did diddley. Terrorists are no threat to them - they want to track the Tea Party.
they probably told the Tsarnaev brothers that they were 'agents'...
the youtube video of what looks like the older brother naked getting in a police vehicle was probably not him - but who was he?
I find the videos of them apparentoly yelling "we didn't do it" compelling.
Patsies.
I find it interesting the the FBI director bangs on continually about having the lawful authority to do this and that which just means they wrote up a document that describes the powers they wanted and then managed to get it passed on page 76 of a review document on the effects of lead batteries in old tractors or something like that, but does not ever mention that it is morally right or correct.
I guess that is a lot shakier ground to be on than arbitrarily granting yourself 'lawful authority'
I would be happier if the discussion was about what was right and what was wrong and it was defined in those terms.
I am also disappointed that with the hundreds of millions of peoples records continuously being collected he has managed to find the grand total of 4 cases where the collection of trillions of records supposedly helped. I would have thought he would have been waving around an encyclopedia of thousands of cases by now if this collection was so advantageous to those hundreds of millions of people who are losing all of their records. It seems as if it is difficult to justify on any grounds other than 'Its Lawful, we decided so' and that just seems a bit disappointing.
I want to see hundreds of terrorists plots busted to justify the stripping away of everyone's privacy in the supposedly free world, does that seem so wrong?
This is the same FBI that let Whitey Bulger kill half a dozen people or so while some of their agents took kick backs, right?
The same FBI that disappeared a bunch of money when a certain guy with weak ties to the Provos was murdered by his wife up in Maine?
The same FBI that dutifully avoids investigating, let alone publicizing rampant and dangerous Israeli spying and Israeli 5th columnists - such as the ones who helped lie us into war by literally creating a lie factory in the Pentagon to end run around the agency?
Fuck the FBI. They are the rent a cops of the fucking shadow government, and are too stupid to understand how disposable they are, and what harm they are doing to their own country.
Still waiting to hear why the unarmed marathon bomber, hiding in a boat, was shot at around 200 times in a suburban Boston neighborhood.
And why we havent heard a single word from him.
I believe they were trying to assassinate him, just as the cops made sure to kill rather than wound the older brother.
By the way, if you don't think SF can capture a target alive, think again - but bin Laden was double tapped and tossed in the sea.
I mean - who's more wacky, people who accept this shit and talk about "tin foil hat conspiracy theorists" or the people that harbor doubts?
Listen.
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Only we can end this shit, so lets fucking do it.
Cook: "We have never..."
Shut up, Tim Cook. You are a big fat liar. Just like every other CEO in America.
They are already in. This is just for show.
Exactly.
They can crack anything they allow to be used. Encryption only serves to attract thier attention. The internet is allowed to exist as it serves commerce and creates a means of monitoring of nearly everyones activity. Commerce is concerned that common people are increasing aware.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip
"FBI Director James Comey said yesterday that companies like Apple and Google should be required to build surveillance capabilities into their products to help law enforcement with their probes."
I smell the burnt-hair stench of fascism.
It struck me that was a corporate and government trick to boost public confidence in gadget manufacturers.
Gratuitous statemnet for public consumption:
Darn this cant be monitored there should be a law to allow us access (Comey)
(Comey to gadget bosses private comment) :
you built in our back door access and its undetectable right of course !
John Q. Public statement I gotta have threw illudium Q36 phone the FBI can't even access it its totally secure,
Ole eye says f-you Comey kind of sounds like commie
When FBI Director James Comey starts to arrest and prosecute all the criminal political and banking actions it might be worth it but until then you are having a laugh.
Imagine and ponder all the criminal conversations between the political and banker class over the last decade, all that damming evidence that never seen the light of day.
That last point really sums it up, in a world of real justice there would havew been far more than 0 prosecutions and attached jail time.
Listen.
The little NSA, and FBI fuckers are using the information that they pull off the wire.
That's what the fuss is all about. Whaaa I can't frontrun the big traders anymore. They locked their phones and now I need a warrant from a local po-dunk judge.
Guarantee it.
So who in turn will spy on this moron to ensure he doesn't misuse and abuse his spying powers? Who will ensure he doesn't spy unnecessarily on his wife's plumber for instance?
Will terrorists kill innocent civilians in the years to come? Of course. They did so more than 100 years ago, when they were called anarchists—and a responsible nation-state must take reasonable measures to protect its citizens. But there is no way to completely eliminate terrorism.
The challenge that confronts us is how we will live with that threat. We have created an economy of fear, an industry of fear, a national psychology of fear. Al Qaeda could never have achieved that on its own. We have inflicted it on ourselves. the article below delves deeper into how we have built a massive and expensive industry to strip us of our liberties because of fear.
http://brucewilds.blogspot.com/2013/09/a-terrorist-under-every-bed.html
We need a smart guy create and release a free encryption program that encrypts everything in 2000+ bits. All voice calls,sms, emails etc etc