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ISIS Airforce Takes Off, Trained By Iraqi Officers
In late August, we drew the world's attention to the fact that ISIS had acquired three fighter jets when the Iraqi military ran away. Now, six weeks later, as Reuters reports, having been trained by Iraqi pilots who have joined Islamic State, a group monitoring the war said on Friday, saying it was the first time that the militant group had taken to the air.
The group, which has seized land in Syria and Iraq, has been flying the planes over the captured al-Jarrah military airport east of Aleppo, said Rami Abdulrahman, who runs the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
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"They have trainers, Iraqi officers who were pilots before for (former Iraqi president) Saddam Hussein," Abdulrahman said.
"People saw the flights, they went up many times from the airport and they are flying in the skies outside the airport and coming back," he said, citing witnesses in northern Aleppo province near the base, which is 70 km (45 miles) south of Turkey.
It was not clear whether the jets were equipped with weaponry or whether the pilots could fly longer distances in the planes, which witnesses said appeared to be MiG 21 or MiG 23 models captured from the Syrian military.
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Is this why Saudi Arabia was so quick to give in to US pressure to cut oil prices? It's not far in a fighter jet to Riyadh...
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The state department doesn't want to think about it:
- *HARF SAYS U.S. CANNOT CONFIRM IF ISLAMIC STATE HAS FIGHTER JETS
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It is the opposite.
It was USA which gave in to pressure from Saudis to drop oil prices.
MIGs require spare parts to function.
It would be more credible if they would wash the damn thing. Harf! Harf!
They barely got the tires inflated. Geeze!
"Ebola bombs" flown out of Langley?
no, that'll be that missing airliner..
no, we havent forgotten about it...
Would love to see one of these relics piloted by a half-trained 'monkey-see/monkey-do' ISIS loser blown out of the sky by a real pilot in a modern fighter.
Better yet, a SAM should make short work of these things...
Wake me up when ISIS has decided to hit us with some Ebola suicide brigades. [They'll promise 'em 70 Ebola-free virgins...]
What do you think Obola Mary was doing vomiting all over the pentagon?
Did she say: "Alley-Who's SnackBar" between heaves?
- We need a no fly zone over Iraq and Syria, to.. errr to stop ISIS, yes!
- How can that help, ISIS has no air force.
- Yes they do! Haven't you seen those three Migs on Tv. ISIS got them, and they're gonna fly them.
- You think these tin cans can fly?
- We'll make sure, I mean no doubts of course they can. And we need that no fly zone, and we'll crush them with our latest squadron of f35s, and we'll show everyone how good these new f35s are and and...
- ok ok do as you please, hey where's my ipad, gotta login to my facebook.
ISIS finally realizes that they are really unimportant in the scheme of all things universal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg661sxjFdc
It must be REAL BITCH right now for the Israeli State Intelligence Service.
HARF doesn’t want to admit a lot of things until until facts prove them douchebags. There are a lot of ways to spell MIC.
They'll never see it coming:
http://www.7photographyquestions.com/images/25/f22_raptor.jpg
there is more chance of getting one of those Mig crates in the air than a F22 or F35.
Heat signature of a volcano.
Gimme da ball, Coach. Gimme da ball!
Really!
MiG-23: Designed in 1967!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-23
MiG-21: 1st Flight in 1956!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21
Designer: The Wright Brothers...
It wouldn't matter if they had Mig 31s. Without training, support, and safe airspace, they don't have shit. Well, I guess Israel, SA, Turkey, and the US make sure they have safe airspace. And maybe some support and training. Hmmm....
Either way, I believe they're gonna fly missions in Syria and they better train the pilots to be kamikazes because they won't fly for long...
Of course they're going to fly missions in Syria. That's why ZATO made sure the jets could fly and Iraqi training pilots are there. They have to be physically capable of a one-time, one-way flight of about 30-40 minutes, tops.
And of course they're going to be suicide missions. The ISIS 'pilots' only need to know how to get the jet airborne and navigate to Assad's presidential palace. ZATO needs Assad dead pretty soon (oil and pipelines) and will stoop at nothing to have him assassinated. ISIS is just the goofy proxy assassin du jour. They don't even have to be successful - close is close enough to freak out Assad and make him step down. ZATO has taken the last year to have fake al Nusra overrun nearly all the air defense positions in Syria. They're all softened up and exposed for the final blow. Any air defense that still exist around Damascus can be neutralized fairly easily with American spoofers and jammers.
Honestly, I was expecting Israel to use a tactical nuke or chemical weapon on his presidential palace to kill him by now. That's their style. They would, of course, concoct some elaborate fake story supported by plenty of Mossad intel about al Nusra (or more recently: ISIS) stealing the weapon from Assad's secret WMD warehouse and using it themselves on him. Israel is too cowardly to just kill him openly. It might complicate further transfers of U.S. taxpayer dollars to their military.
Another outside possibility is that they provide an excuse for Turkey to invade Syria. Ankara is about 50 minutes NW of Aleppo. That psycho Erdogan would go full retard if they could put one of those MIGs anywhere near him. He could also slaughter a good number of the Western (non-oil) Kurds in the process, taking care of that 'problem', too.
This is a psyop targeting the general public. ISIS ground forces need close air support. Any close air support that ISIS gets will be provided by trained experienced pilots working on contract. They will use modern planes and munitions and it will all be paid for by ISIS's financial backers. No brain dead retards flying planes this article is just an attempt to provide a plausible explanation to the masses.
If Putin does not have Assad and Syria's back than Putin is a fool. I don't think he is a fool.
Syria is hanging in there but if Syria falls than Iran and Russia have big problems.
Syrian Perspective is saying NUSRA has lost 1,000 in the past two weeks near Jobar.
http://www.syrianperspective.com/2014/10/terrorist-killers-down-by-the-h...
Who knows if it is accurate but it seems like the Syrian Army is making progress.
Putin isn't going to run his country into the dirt to save Syria. I'm sure he threatened nukes to get Obama to back off of a direct ZATO attack, but short of that, he would need to put Russian troops in Syria. That's not going to happen. He knows ZATO is gunning for Assad's death and Syria is ultimately lost. There is no saving it from eventual ZATO destruction and control. Putin isn't happy about that, but it's not worth risking all of Russia. Plus, he knows that whatever ZATO has planned for Syria will bleed ZATO to death. Both sides in Syria quite justifiably hate ZATO and especially the U.S. (except maybe al Nusra, ISIS and the Xe/Academi guys). ZATO is never going to be successful pacifying Syria like they did in Lebanon, although they will make the usual pathetic attempt to do so.
I agree the Syrian Army is making progress in their scorched-earth kind of way. The local militias are exhausted and tired of the stalemate. They keep negotiating truces or are flipping back to the SAA side. By and large, the only people still fighting the civil war as insurgents are foreign mercs or ZATO stooges. The FSA and 'the revolution' only hastened the destruction of Syria and the genocide of its population, no matter how well-intentioned it was at the beginning. Assad hasn't really won anything, and he's a dead man anyways. Israel could care less who runs Syria anymore because the military and economy are destroyed and Assad will be dead pretty soon. Whoever is left in charge can be paid off to build Israel's pipeline to Turkey.
Putin's options are the same with Iran - its not worth sacrificing Russia to repel ZATO. Israel will never back down until the Iranian holocaust is in motion, which also means their bitch - the U.S. - will also never back down. There is no saving Iran if it can't save itself. The best Putin can do is help ensure that it is guaranteed to be a very costly genocide to the perpetrators. So far, ZATO has failed to stir up much internal tension in Iran. The young people want reform, but know that it would be used by the U.S. to start a civil war just like everywhere else. I think they're prepared to endure things as they are for a few years and just wait for the inevitable Israeli/U.S. attacks.
Pave - good post.
I'll add that if the US really wanted to destroy ISIS rather than keep it as a proxy and an excuse, it could give a bunch of mothballed A-10s to Assad, or failing that, to Iraq.
The politics aside - the way in which human life is of no importance to the people engineering this "remaking" of the ME... I'm glad that I remain the type of person still appalled and amazed by it.
I agree about the A-10s, but the U.S. (and, by default, Israel) have screwed the pooch by buying their way into Northern Iraq oilfields through a few corrupt Souther Kurdish oligarchs. The situation was actually getting pretty good in Kurdish Iraq the last decade. The oil fields were bringing in plenty of cash that the Kurds plowed back into their cities and infrastructure. Even afther the usual 15% skim by corrupt Kurds, there was still enough money coming in to rebuild Kurdish cities. Maliki was happy with the arrangement and there was no reason to change anything.
Then the U.S. oil companies got frustrated dealing with Mailki's burdensome and corrupt bureaucracy. After nearly destroying the entire country and killing a million Iraqis, the oil majors were pissed that Baghdad hadn't built an efficient, streamlined ministry of petroleum to serve their needs. With full knowledge of the State Department, they started negotiating contracts directly with a few Kurdish oligarchs. Maliki got pissed that they bypassed Iraqi laws and cut off the oil revenue. The Kurds sabotoged the Iraq state pipeline to Turkey and then built their own bypass to sell oil. The whole situation just fell to shit, thanks to the U.S. willfully ignoring Iraqi laws and Maliki.
The above was enthusiastically encouraged by Israel, who wanted to make sure their paid-off Kurd oligarchs would ship oil from Kirkuk to Haifa. The Iraqi government has refused to sell oil to the genocidal psychopaths in Israel, period. The only way Israel is getting any is to orchestrate full autonomy for the Kurds (through their U.S. bitches) and pay off enough Iraqi politicians to get the Kirkuk-Haifa pipeline built. Israel also uses Kurd territory to spy on Iran and launch terrorist attacks. The Iraqi government would have threw their ass out eventually, so Israel also wanted an independent Iraqi Kurdistan to continue Iranian spying and attacks without being bothered. Last but not least, Israel saw Iraqi Kurdistan air bases as the ideal place to launch air strikes against Iranian nuclear stuff (or anything else they didn't approve of in Iran). This doesn't mean Israeli air bases - that's a job for their bitch, the U.S. The Israelis only want to use them for refueling and loading up on depleted uranium ammo and child-shredder bombs.
So the common Kurds that were actually benefitting under the ongoing Iraqi production revenue system got screwed because a few of their corrupt oligarchs made some side deals with Israel, the U.S. and oil companies. Kurdish autonomy wasn't a big deal to the common Kurds a few years back - they were pretty happy NOT being bombed by Baghdad and actually getting their fair share of oil revenues. They were autonomous enough for the time being and had water, sewers, electricity, gas and increasingly modern cities. It was the common Kurd's dream-come-true and they were proud of what they were accomplishing. We (the U.S.) totally fucked that up for them - forever.
We can't give A-10s or any heavy weaponry to the Kurds because the corrupt Kurd oligarchs will use them to start a war for autonomy (with the usual prodding by their Israeli masters). We can't give much to Iraq because they're pissed at the Kurd oligarchs and will eventually want to settle up the score for the oil theft. Bush and Cheney's idea was to have a completely neutered and subservient Iraq with a corrupt government and no future defensive capabilities except a token 'police state' army. That went to hell when fake ISIS took on a life of it's own and Iraqi Sunnis turned to it for their last hope of any influence over their fate. Note: most Iraqi Sunnis have no oil, therefore are garbage human beings to ZATO.
We can't arm the crap out of both Iraq and the Kurds because corrupt, psychopathic warlords on both sides would be lined up ten-deep to start internal civil wars and make their own grab for power. We can't NOT arm them or ISIS will take over. It's the inevitable conclusion of attempting to rebuild a country by handing it over to corrupt psychopaths and hoping "Things will be different this time".
what about the pilots of 911
it is simply amazing what can be achieved iby sraeli secret intel service a spielberg script and some dumb as rocks arab actors
(Joe Garagiola bows his head down in shame)
'SEE THE MONKEY RUN!?' 'Did you REALLY say that?' By the gods, you will be BANNED!'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKkRDMil0bw
You may not be worried about this but one thinks the Kurds are very much so.
Exactly. It's all relative. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
I've mentioned this before but believe that it bears repeating - nobody is promising the jihadi martyrs 70+ virgin human women. Surprise fellows - you get a nice little flock of 70+ virgin ewes to tend here in heaven. Fuck your balls off. Some of them are really cute.
Oh, and you get the shepherd dogs as a bonus - but they bite if you're not gentle.
non-stop express flights direct to Allah. Perfect.
"Allah" will provide the necessary "lift"; this should get rid of another three or four crazies quite quickly.
Monday headline: Towelhead Who Just Learned To Fly Yesterday Bullseyes Into One World Trade- DOW plunges 3700
Today, that would be bullish. The Fed would see to it.
Pentagon Struck By Space Laser Vomit Beam
"Pentagon Struck By Space Laser Vomit Beam"
CORRECTION:
"PENTAGRAM Struck By Space Laser Vomit Beam"
Sincerely,
Lymon Lemintzer
LOL, the Rentagon doesn't have security cameras.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktsxucDvNI
...can anyone see what's wrong with this picture???
Reuters must have copied ZH for its "Friday Humor" articles.
ISIS: Guerrillas to conquerors?
It is a question that the global community is seeking to understand as the crisis in Iraq and Syria deepens. How can such a numerically small force as ISIS, which calls itself the Islamic State, has taken control of vast swathes of Syria and Iraq, and how…
Latest:
https://tersee.com/#!q=isis&t=text
they fight like true wariors with no fear of death. they bring terror to a new level. one truely bad motherfucker can bring thousands to fear. boston stangler for example. most humans are chicken shits. most humans are afraid of the dark. most humans are just plain afraid as a condition of their life experiences, johnny don't fucking do anything you willl get hurt. natives of the jungle fear the night and the black cat..so who is afraid of who over there? fuckers are ruthless, and bring fear as the unspoken warrior. they are running from the villages befor they arrive, and all that stay die ruthlessly in public displays of slaughter-word gets around...
'AMERIKUH! FUCK YEAH!'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX5ZRE26YWM
“Submit to Islam and be safe. Or agree to the payment of the Jizya (tax), and you and your people will be under our protection, else you will have only yourself to blame for the consequences, for I bring the men who desire death as ardently as you desire life.”
?Khalid ibn al-Walid
Read more at http://izquotes.com/author/khalid-ibn-al-walid
that is not the plane they are flying, its missing an engine and most likely avionics
if the wacko homo jihadist decide to give flying a jet aircraft a try more than once it would be unbelievably unsuccessful
however if you sent merc pilots to fly them and tell the world its the homo jihadist flying them in order to show the world how mighty they are and have massive press releases so the west would have there collective knees shaking , ...well thats another story,
the isis gay jihadist have trouble of their own much less trying to get jet fighter aircraft running and airborne with some sort of authority
btw who is supporting isis? maybe those guys could give them pilots and planes
CIA; consider it done? Maybe. don't know. I doubt it. I think they'll just be glorious martyrs.
SO...
You're a pussy.
Afraid to come to the correct conclusion about things; and also afraid to state the OBVIOUS for fear of retribution, you hopelessly try to satiate your masters by some half-hearted attempt to make light of what has become blatantly obvious to everyone else intelligent enough to log on to Zero Hedge and recognize the 'Handwriting On The Wall'.
As a TRUE BLUE 'FART FUTHER SMUCKER'. you also hide behind some made-up 'Stanford Aptidude Test' bullshit while showing off your pussification.
You're from France, aren't you?
Indeed ekm. This is ambarrassing propaganda. They need parts, fuel, mechanics.
Not to mention the idea that pilots ( not instructors ) can donate hours of t8me in the air in a war zone to train savages is lunacy.
Repairs being done by Revell.
State Department is worse than useless!
CNBC Ebola editorial attacks ‘idiocy and vileness of the Republicans’
http://tinyurl.com/p57vzfl
Has ZH suddenly become the spokes-mouth for the ministry of propaganda? I'm seriously worried that this site has been compromised.
There would only be a handful of airfields and military bases in Iraq capable of handling, refuelling, storing, and operating fighter jets. You can't seriously expect us to believe that special forces, intelligence agencies and spy satellites aren't all over the ones held within so called 'ISIS' control.
Iraq, a country that until recently was occupied by the U.S. would not be able to hide a MIG anywhere, let alone train pilots, without everyone knowing how, when and where. Three well placed drone missile attacks would take out this ISIS 'Threat' without so much as a blink.
Basically, this is non-news propaganda intended to stoke up paranoia that a rogue band of Toyota gun mounted thugs have suddenly developed a functioning airforce that poses a threat to Israel. Or, in other words, complete bullshit.
Next....
Bob, Your faith is touching,
this was a very interesting place - then almost 2 years to the day the thread below happened.
you should read through it very carefully. its incendiary and nothing was the same after that.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-09-10/government-officials-say...
soon after folks started getting warning letters and being disappeared....
you have to take this site with a big fucking pinch of salt more and more every month that goes by.
on the other hand, though - you have to admire how much free speech is actually allowed here versus just about everywhere else. Can you imagine the pressure that would come from a post that, actually, was pretty sparing as to the evidence implicating Israel and its sayanim in the US? Honestly - who knows who said what or threatened what after that article and comments.
It appears that 'they' wanted to tie Iran to it and got a judge to agree? Absurd on its face but I don't know the deets. I do know that Saudi A. is on the hit list [part of Eretz Israel and the Oded Yinon scheme, and they're, obviously, Islamofascist tyrant fucks anyway] and that before too long, new 'evidence' tying SA to 9/11 will mysteriously appear.
Of course, the "inside" part of the Big Wedding should not be lost merely because Israel and its 5th columnist neocons were also involved.
daffy
look at how long ive been a member here
i observed for 12 months before joining
this place is utterly claustrophoboc compared to how it used to be
it chose to be this way - it chose dollars - fair enough
look elsewhere for truth
Ebola is not airborne.
ISIS is not airborne.
- Your Government
My middle finger is. -a concerned citizen-
The purpose for ISIS air force is for NATO/USA to declare a no-fly zone over Syria like they have done it in Libya.
As for a totally useless Iraqi army, it was purposely created this way by Americans to be utterly corrupt and useless to keep Iraq totally defenseless against America, its allies, and its terrorist-mercenaries.
democracy works
Where????
This ISIS air force won't last very long so they had better take their pictures fast.
Instead of stating possibilities as certainties maybe you should ask some questions so you at least look like you know what you are talking about.
Suggestion for question number one: Why have these jets not already been destroyed by western airpower?
Hmmmm?
That is a good question. Some possible answers.
1 They are as much of a threat as that Chinese Aircraft Carrier built on an inland lake. cough, photo shopped.
2 Obola only bombs wedding parties.
3 It's camouflaged man, it's inwisible.
Come on Tylers, this story is worse than the click bait garbage Business Insider puts up every day.
What happened to the fight club?
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SOHR has less credibility than Jen Psaki or the CDC.
Or HuffPo, which is also apparently running with this story.
I read this story and think of two things. First that ISIS needs close air support for its forces on the ground against the Kurdish and Syrian forces. but the presence of fast moving jets providing close air support to ISIS forces needs to be explained within the context of the narrative being told, i.e. "Its common knowledge that ISIS fighters have been flying captured jets..." (Imagine some bubble headed bleach blond saying this).
Second close air will not be provided by 3 old migs flown by low IQ ISIS front line insurgents (they’re the cannon fodder). Remember who is funding this insurgency. AQ / ISIS / ISIL / IS is allot like an off book DynCorp or Blackwater. Once the narrative that ISIS has an air force gains traction well paid pilots can fly planes supplied by ISIS's backers to provide close air. Ex mil pilots with suitable backgrounds, think back to the days of Air America in Vietnam. Also they are likely to only be flying in lightly contested/uncontested air space as the forces currently flying in the general area are Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel, Turkey, the UK and US.
This is just propaganda.
it's literally a guy in his mom's basement, that's it. there's no "organization" to speak of. It's a single guy making up bullshit, who has been wrong over and over again, but it's convenient to support a propaganda-based narrative and most sheeple don't bother to actually look into it.
its more than that, but it is very heavily neocon.
like these: http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profiles/category/organizations
Apparently they think three jets constitutes an air force...lol.
Looks more like one of the Sukhoi variants, its not a MIG.
After they cannibalize two for parts...
Yeah, I don't think St.Pooty is down for shipping them any spares. Its the possibility of the whole jizya thingy his boys may be obliged to conform to at the port of Tartus ;-)
nmewn
edit is a bit clunky but full of nice information init.
Holocaust History - Dr. Frederick Toben (2003)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AtsopSjooA
Well because I keep an open mind, I'll look at it but I know why the Einsatzgruppen was formed, what it became and what it did TO ANY enemy within...the conquered state.
I guess thats where you and I have always parted in the belief of the state. "The state" is supposed to perform the function to benefit all within equally, when it doesn't, it becomes evil incarnate.
I can live without it, most people can't for some reason.
But I'll look at it and return here sometime Sunday and let you know what I think, going out of town tomorrow.
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As promised.
Frederick Toben starts off by giving us a tour of what he describes as the entrance to a "bomb shelter". I have no way of knowing what or where he is at but one is led to believe its the Auschwtiz gas chamber, it is not.
One of the most well preserved gas chambers is at Majdanek outside Lublin Poland, note the "Prussian Blue" stains on the walls from the ZyklonB:
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Poland/Majdanek/Majdanek02.html
There is no doubt that the Wannsee Conference took place, there is no doubt Heydrich chaired the conference, there is no doubt the Einsatzgruppen was formed by him to kill the "enemies of the state" and there is no doubt from eyewitnesses (Nazis, nazis collaboraters and "inmates") that it did in fact take place, hell Rudolph Höss admitted to it and Himmler vistied his state of the art (for the times) creation.
As an American, Toben might have an argument on numbers of Jews and has every right to his opinion but he does not have a right for his opinion to be believed.
Its not about the numbers of Jewish (or Armenians, communists, Catholics, Gypsies etc.) shopkeepers, bakers, tailors, farmers or bankers, its about a government (the "Third Reich") commiting to...the industrial scale slaughter of civilians for nothing more than being a certain ethnicity-nationality-race. It has nothing to do with the German people, it is a history lesson in what a government with a charismatic, evil fucktard leader can do to his own people and the world around them if given half a chance.
That is the lesson Tony, you better learn from it or it repeats.
Listen.
Why not ask Steve Hartman to do a weekly "FEEL GOOD" story for The Hedge. Push it out every Friday evening and make us all feel "WARM" and fuzzy.
Wow, very inefficient, using Iraqi pilots to train Isis pilots.
Shouldn't we remove the middle man and train them directly? Think of all the additional sales we can make?
Listen Bottom.
I like these guys. They have ambition.
Oh, the Saudis are over a barrel now!
Top Gun they are not. May be the shortest life of an airforce in world history.
Expect so. What is that thing, besides ugly?
russian
In need of parts, competent mechanics to change them out, ordnance personel, jet fuel, ya know, the usual.
If they go low enough they might be able to behead somebody with one ;-)
As they say in real estate, "highest and best use."
Bet it could also suck up a few sea gulls and clear the runway for a real air craft.
The article is propaganda. If ISIS gets close air support for their ground forces then it will be used to explain where the jets came from. Any actual close air the ISIS gat will be provided by contracted ex military pilots using more modern planes with ground crew support. The people funding ISIS have very deep pockets they just need plausible deniability.
Also associated topic, does anyone want to take an educated guess at how much money ISIS burns through each day? Pay, fuel, ammo, food, equipment all cost cash. More from the black market. (Having oil wells doesn’t mean you have refined petrol/diesel/jet fuel). Their costs per day, every day, even during lulls in combat must be huge. No way its suitcases full of case. Someone’s running allot of money through allot of accounts.
The hardest part, please accept my word, is going to be simply flying the thing, acquiring and eliminating targets, and then...hopefully..landing.
Which is why I don't think they're going to be landing at all... suicide missions, just about for sure. The first thing they want to do is avoid the Syrian Air Force. Iraqi pilots themselves don't have a whole lot of real world intercept training, lol.
There is no airworthy ISIS air force.
US and its "allies" can easily crater any runways that any possibly operational captured aircraft could use.
More bullshit lies to justify a no-fly zone.
Are you sure Russia won't veto a no-fly zone in the UNSC?
Then why have they not done so already? The fact that ISIS captured these jets was known to the world the day or day after it happened and yet there they still are.
Your comment about a no-fly might lead somewhere.
Where?
the unsc?
This government is more concerned with my cash transactions and private conversations than they are about Isis, Ebola, Mexican Border, Malaysia flight 370, etc, etc, ad nauseam......
Preach it brother!
ISIS will fly a few hundred Ebola infected fighters to South America aboard ML370 where they will then cross the Mexican Border in order to spread the disease, etc, etc, ad nauseam. By ISIS I mean CIA.
Does that help?
Fact is Mig 21 is a helluva fighter and can even take on the F-22 in a dogfight. But you got to be a great pilot to fly ordinary sorties as it is very unstable. In airforce exercises the Indian airforce Mig 21 beat US airforce in close combat more than the advanced Sukhoi 30s could. Mig 21 is a small, fast manoevarable low radar signature menace. Think of it as the AK 47 of the air wars.
Any idea of the range?
Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21
Range: (internal fuel) 1,210 km (751 miles)
Modern jets don't dogfight til they run out of AIM missiles. There is a reason the Iraqi Air Force bugged out back in the Gulf War. Thinking on it, prolly because they were chickenshit just like the current Iraqi Army. Twould be a short fight nonetheless. No skilled maintenance, no skilled aircrew, parts availibilty is likely severely lacking, looted long ago.
I would love to see the YouTube vid of an ISIS fighter jet making a smoking hole under an F16.
Oh, oh. No fly zone over Israel will probably be announced. Either that or dog fights! If these ISIS planes don't fly over Israel then we will all know who they work for.
Right. Amazing logic champ. Russia doesn't fly over Israel....Do they work for Israel?
nice work hasbara throll, you sure are earning your shikels.
Looking at that aircraft, we know which one is the dog in a dogfight.
If you were not killed is because they are still Israeli pilots.
hehe.
ISIS is in possession of three warplanes in northern Syria, and former Iraqi military officers are training members of the Sunni Islamist militant group to fly them, a Syrian opposition group said Friday.
ISIS LATEST
https://tersee.com/#!q=isis&t=text
Let's see - Iraqi 'pilots' have 'joined ISIS' and are training ISIS members to be pilots.
The obvious question would be 'why don't the Iraqi pilots fly the planes themselves?' One answer might be that ISIS doesn't really trust the pilots since they could fly away to escape from ISIS.
It becomes more likely that the Iraqi pilots are themselves captured and are being given a chance to 'keep their heads' by training ISIS pilots.
ISIS also needs fighter mechanics, parts and weapons. Where will those come from?
russia.
that's some piss poor trolling, right there.
How do you say 'kamikaze' in Libyan Arabic? This seems, of course, like more makeup on the boogeyman... but to the extent true, I'd expect there are a handful of Libyans capable of training - but they might not be inclined to go to Allah just yet, having developed a taste for $$ and the finer things.
Zh a lil late again replayin msm stories. :/
Heard this new bout 6+ hours ago.
I hope for their sakes thay don't run into any F-18s from the US Navy
The fucking Israeli's will probably give them the missing MA plane.
You don't just need jets, you don't just need pilots, you don't just need trained mechanics, you don't just need for Christ's sake trained fuel technicians and yes, fuel, you need an entire fucking supply chain and radar installations to keep fighters in the air. This story is such bullshit that I despair for the future of mankind.
It's a little naive to think the American taxpayers won't supply all of those necessary elements as well. Give it a minute FFS........
One way mission does not require more than get a plane become airborne.(Japan´s kamikaze) There you can cut corners dramatically.
Now Obama can attack Assad with a plane with the black ISIS trademark on it and say he didn't do it.
Black guys are so street smart. Not original, just street smart.
Hell, knowing Obama he got in on the ground floor making ISIS flags.
In China ;-)
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Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
It appears that ISIS has found a more neighborly flag supplier.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/10/09/the-anti-isil-dream-tea...
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Dozens-of-Islamic-State-flags-found-in-...
Maybe the article was referring to the pigeons that took off after rooosting on that thing.
There´s nothing money cannot buy and they have the money. Just wait for drones to emerge.
And the drones will emerge. These guys aren't a ragtag bunch of
Mercenaries. They have governments behind them, governments that can either print money or take it out if the ground.
Bet they don't even know how to feul it. Do they know about the explosive canopy service recalls? These machines take special tools to calibrate the avionics and the mechanics. Why? So you HAVE to have the manufacturer help or perfom the tasks needed to fly these complex machines. I predict loss of flight after less than 10 hours of flight time. I think I am too generous.
Jet in pic does not fly.
Mig 21's are like Ford 8N tractors.
They just work.
Funny how you can pinpoint drone strike anything you want but not airplanes, hangars, US equipment in a country (Syria) that doesn't have any us equipment other than what was stolen.
Face it, they dont want to stop isis and are not even trying.
Has washington claimed to have blown up even one ISIS tanker truck?
They blew up a grain silo and 25 children. They took credit for blowing up an ammo dump and 25 terrorists.
hilarious, i will never get over it.
3 fighter planes, Winston Churchill, himself, is
probably shitting himself in his grave too.
Western oligarchs are blatantly starting wars and drowning us in propaganda. These people are defending their homes, their families and fighting for their way of life.
Consider reading “Mohammed: A Biography” by Essad Bey.
Remember who the real enemy is.
Hell yeah.
I'd go Mohamed in a minute if I was a teenager. With all that rapin' and sellin' the women into slavery, dating would finally be a winning proposition.
Gettin' head would take on a whole new meaning.
Upvote for being a sick mo fo.
Iraqi training and collusion is hardly a surprise....
For a great first hand insight into the relationship between
Iraqi forces and ISIS, listen to the following Richard Fidler
August 2014 interview/discussion with Michael Ware:
http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2014/08/21/4071673.htm
The article went over my head. I can't tell if it meant if Sadam Hussein's or if Barak Hussein's fighters might bomb Arabs. Or if the tranny of the two is wearing a dress.
At least 25 years to train a fighter pilot from.
Former Iraqi pilots are a long time without flying, I do not think about it for more than try.
Place a Mig in the air only to American, Israeli assistance or a few countries in Europe - Poland or Ukraine for example.
hehe.
I seriously doubt this story is true. Iraqi pilots ?? I doubt such a thing has existed in a long long time. I certainly doubt any of them would be proficient enough to sucessfully fly a high performance MIG-21, or 23. I also doubt that those aircraft are even airworthy. Even if they were able to find proficient pilots, where are the mechanics and spare parts? It's going to take a great deal of training to fly one of those jets effectively in combat. Honestly, it would be a miracle if they could just get one airborn, make a few circles around the pattern, and then safely land without crashing or being blasted out of the sky.
Lets go ahead and train moar Eye-Racki pilots for ISIS on the merikan taxpayers backs.
Finally,
Now in addition to the propaganda device called the anonymous source, there's a new emetic in town, the monitoring group.
In the case of the ISIS air force {or as I call them, the FALSE FLYBOYS} the monitoring group that discovered them is known to 10 Downing Street as the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, run by Rami Abdulrahman, whose name is on the checks from George Osborne.
Today if there's newsworthy trouble anywhere in the worlds, you can find a monitoring group that will observe it with blinders on. YOUR KIND OF BLINDERS.
So does ISIS really fly?
Rami says yes, citing witnesses in northern Aleppo province
ISIS THE HEARSAY AIR FORCE
Gee?... I didn't know Blackwater/Xi/Academi had ex-Navy and Air Force pukes on it's payroll that are "moonlighting"?...
That Erik Prince covers all the bases!
My God!
An honest American journalist from the "press pool" asking a legitimate question and seeking nothing less than a sincere and truthful answer from a idiot in an empty uniform?... And yes folks this is what the Navy is turning into Admiral(s) these dayz!!! Scary isn't it?...
This is pure gold!
Iceman: You two really are cowboys.
Maverick: What's your problem, Kazansky?
Iceman: You're everyone's problem. That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe. I don't like you because you're dangerous.
Maverick: That's right! Ice... man. I am dangerous.
Sid: You want subversion on a massive level. You know what one of the greatest fucking scripts ever written in the history of Hollywood is? Top Gun.
Duane: Oh, come on.
Sid: Top Gun is fucking great. What is Top Gun? You think it's a story about a bunch of fighter pilots.
Duane: It's about a bunch of guys waving their dicks around.
Sid: It is a story about a man's struggle with his own homosexuality. It is! That is what Top Gun is about, man. You've got Maverick, all right? He's on the edge, man. He's right on the fucking line, all right? And you've got Iceman, and all his crew. They're gay, they represent the gay man, all right? And they're saying, go, go the gay way, go the gay way. He could go both ways.
Duane: What about Kelly McGillis?
Sid: Kelly McGillis, she's heterosexuality. She's saying: no, no, no, no, no, no, go the normal way, play by the rules, go the normal way. They're saying no, go the gay way, be the gay way, go for the gay way, all right? That is what's going on throughout that whole movie... He goes to her house, all right? It looks like they're going to have sex, you know, they're just kind of sitting back, he's takin' a shower and everything. They don't have sex. He gets on the motorcycle, drives away. She's like, "What the fuck, what the fuck is going on here?" Next scene, next scene you see her, she's in the elevator, she is dressed like a guy. She's got the cap on, she's got the aviator glasses, she's wearing the same jacket that the Iceman wears. She is, okay, this is how I gotta get this guy, this guy's going towards the gay way, I gotta bring him back, I gotta bring him back from the gay way, so I'll do that through subterfuge, I'm gonna dress like a man. All right? That is how she approaches it.
All right, but the REAL ending of the movie is when they fight the MIGs at the end, all right? Because he has passed over into the gay way. They are this gay fighting fucking force, all right? And they're beating the Russians, the gays are beating the Russians. And it's over, and they fucking land, and Iceman's been trying to get Maverick the entire time, and finally, he's got him, all right? And what is the last fucking line that they have together? They're all hugging and kissing and happy with each other, and Ice comes up to Maverick, and he says, "Man, you can ride my tail, anytime!" And what does Maverick say? "You can ride mine!" Swordfight! Swordfight! Fuckin' A, man!
Goose: It's the bottom of the 9th, the score is tied. It's time for the big one.
Iceman: You up for this one, Maverick?
Maverick: Just a walk in the park, Kazansky.
Hilarious! You should get a gig writing real movie reviews.
This middle east war has to be the most confusing war that i have read about.who the fuck is who.
kurds in iraq = allies to usa
kurds in syria and turkey = terrorists
alqeada in syria = allies
alqeada in iraq = terrorists
syrian army = terrorists
iraq army = allies
isis = terrorists
isis supporters such as turkey and saudi arabia = allies
isis number 1 enemy = syria and iran = terrorists
yazidis = collateral damage
christians in the middle east = collateral damage
middle eastern refugees in sydney = drug dealers,organised crime and social security recipients
all i can say is fuck everyone
MIG-21s and MIG-23s are just fine against people who don't have the will to fight, or an "air force" to fight them. Nothing we've seen so far has indicated that Iraq has an air force at all, and we (U.S.) don't seem to have any desire to engage in air to air combat or, in fact, a serious air to ground campaign. So yes, it seems laughable (even to me) that ISIS might have an "air force" anytime soon, but as long as we keep dragging our heels, we're giving them time to figure out how to take off, land, and, in between, conduct basic aireal combat and air-to-ground tactics, we're just delaying the inevitable.
Just saying.
Ackmed! Where can we get a new fuel injector? Ackmed: A what? Those babies will look awesome hanging out in some guys man cave.
wag the dog farce
and what is even more farcical, people believe the farce
whatever it takes for pretext
Shark bait
That is no MIG that I know of. It looks British to me but is not Russian nor American. It looks like it belongs in a museum, I'd clean the birdshit off the tail first. And for the zero that posted that the MIG 21 could take on an F-22 and win, you are straight up out of your mind.
Third-gen MiG-21 or Fishbed-J introduced 1968 or so. It's an export version of the MiG-21SM, which itself is a modernized version of a second-gen MiG-21S.
The particular model above is the trainer (two-seat) version, designated as a MiG-21 UM, NATO Mongol-B.
I don't know about the F-22, but the India had MiG-21s with the Bison upgrade, which they upgraded with even more sophsticated avionics. Supposedly did well against early model export F-16s and F-15s in long-range engagements, which are more a test of radar/missiles. The MiG-21 obviously isn't suited to dogfighting and are poor at ground-support roles, but you could say it's like an AK-47 of Soviet-era fighers. Not sexy, but it lasts forever and gets the job done. The one in the picture is probably flyable with a little work.
in short, its good for a brief flight, laden with bombs, maybe dirty, and ending with a crash and a series of secondary explosions.
And good cover for another Israeli or a Turkish attack on Assad.
Thanks for the clarification. I looked it up and you are correct, it is a MIG-21 variant. I have never seen one before in that particular configuraton and I like to go to airshows . Your points about avionics and export versions are well taken and correct. I do not, however, believe that the Mig-21 had much range.
I wasn't sure the one pictured even had wings or a vertical stabilizer until I noticed the shadow. The UM's mach cone is recessed nearly all the way into the nose fairing like the old first-gen MiG-21F's and Chinese knock-offs, so much so that it can't even be seen in the picture. I don't know why the trainers were like this since the model they were based on all have the pronounced, extended mach cone typical of all modern MiG-21s. The spear-shaped air data sensor (looks like a refueling probe), the two late speed brakes and the rounded off dorsal stabilizer fin are pretty unique to the MiG-21 - all clearly visible on this Serb UM.
You're right aobut the range, but this is a tiny, F-5 - sized jet. More than adequate for Syria or any moderate-sized country's needs a couple of decades ago, but you're right - useless against almost any modern jet today. If I was a rich oligarch, I would have one for fun. I would rather have an F-4, but even oligarchs can't afford the fuel for those hogs.
MIG !23!
23 had swing wings.
Are they going to clean the bird shit off the tail before they take off?