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Propaganda 101 – How The Pentagon Is Trying To Rewrite Vietnam War History
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
In case you weren’t aware, the Pentagon is set to roll out a 50th anniversary commemoration of the Vietnam War. Personally, it’s hard to get excited about commemorating an event that led to the death of over 58,000 American soldiers and more than a million Vietnamese, particularly since much of it was the direct result of well documented lies and deception, such as the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
What’s worse, the Pentagon intends to rewrite history by whitewashing this period of civil unrest and government shame from American history. The propaganda is so blatant that it has resulted in many of the era’s most well known protestors and activists to come together in order to stop it.
The New York Times reports that:
WASHINGTON — It has been nearly half a century since a young antiwar protester named Tom Hayden traveled to Hanoi to investigate President Lyndon B. Johnson’s claims that the United States was not bombing civilians in Vietnam. Mr. Hayden saw destroyed villages and came away, he says, “pretty wounded by the pattern of deception.”
Now the Pentagon — run by a Vietnam veteran, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel — is planning a 50th anniversary commemoration of the Vietnam War. The effort, which is expected to cost taxpayers nearly $15 million by the end of this fiscal year, is intended to honor veterans and, its website says, “provide the American public with historically accurate materials” suitable for use in schools.
But the extensive website, which has been up for months, largely describes a war of valor and honor that would be unrecognizable to many of the Americans who fought in and against it.
Leading Vietnam historians complain that it focuses on dozens of medal-winning soldiers while giving scant mention to mistakes by generals and the years of violent protests and anguished debate at home.
In one early iteration, the website referred to the 1968 My Lai massacre, in which American troops killed hundreds of Vietnamese civilians, as the My Lai Incident.
The glossy view of history has now prompted more than 500 scholars, veterans and activists — including the civil rights leader Julian Bond; Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the top-secret Pentagon Papers; Lawrence J. Korb, a former assistant secretary of defense under President Ronald Reagan; and Peter Yarrow of the folk trio Peter, Paul and Mary — to join Mr. Hayden in demanding the ability to correct the Pentagon’s version of history and a place for the old antiwar activists in the anniversary events.
Mr. Hayden, 74, and other 1960s-era activists who helped him gather signatures, say they do not quarrel with honoring the sacrifice of soldiers. But they object to having the military write the story.
“All of us remember that the Pentagon got us into this war in Vietnam with its version of the truth,” Mr. Hayden said in a recent telephone interview from Berkeley, Calif., where he attended a rally to mark another 50th anniversary, that of the free-speech movement. “If you conduct a war, you shouldn’t be in charge of narrating it.”
He promised “educational materials, a Pentagon exhibit, traveling exhibits, symposiums, oral history projects and much more.” The mission, he said, is to “help the nation take advantage of a rare opportunity to turn back to a page in history and to right a wrong, by expressing its honor and respect to Vietnam veterans and their families.”
Many of the longtime activists also see the petition as deeply relevant today.
“You can’t separate this effort to justify the terrible wars of 50 years ago from the terrible wars of today,” said Phyllis Bennis, a Middle East expert who has known Mr. Hayden since the early 1970s. “When I saw this, I thought immediately, ‘We’ve got to stop this.’ ”
This problem of people in power rewriting history to serve their own ends has been an issue throughout human history, something Julian Assange recently discussed and outlined here: Video of the Day – Hologram Julian Assange Talks George Orwell, Bitcoin and Preserving Human History.
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That war never ended. It just morphed into the Orwellian war(s) we have today.
Signed, Vietnam era veteran
‘OH HELL NO!’ Outrage meets Obama plan to send Natl. Guard to Liberia to fight Ebolayou are right..
since WW2
signed
a cold war (BERLIN). desert storm, GWOT veteran
OH, HELL NO!
copy that!
this is not 'Nam, there are rules here!! doesn't anyone give a shit about the rules?
OUT THERE..
THE GENEVA CONVENTION IS JUST A PIECE OF PAPER...
rule 1...stay alive and get home!
Vietnam was a useless war fought solely for the purpose of running up debt and forcing the USA off the Bretton Woods gold standard.
General Westmoreland documented Robert McNamara’s efforts to prolong the war and bring about the eventual (Henry Kissinger) defeat, but only after we were off the gold standard, in his book “A Soldier Reports.”
Milton Freidman did his bit with his “monetary growth rule” bullshit and Nixon was the fall guy.
And now they fuck the best whores and own the USA.
Listen.
It's a shame that more USSA military persons don't know what tools they are.
~circa 1961~ Milions of baby-boomers coming of age. Will be ready to join the workforce. Whats that you say... Not enough jobs. Well, what if we drafted a few of them.... You know, keep them busy and all. What do you mean we are not at war. Start one!
The Gulf of Tonkin never happened.
Yes but some things did happen, though I'm sure the Pentagon would like to forget.
Like the My Lai Massacre. One of many that were covered up. My Lai reached the surface though after some digging by some very brave people.
The My Lai Massacre was the Vietnam War mass killing of between 347 and 504 unarmed civilians in South Vietnam on March 16, 1968. It was committed by U.S. Army soldiers from the Company C of the 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd (Americal) Infantry Division. Victims included men, women, children, and infants. Some of the women were gang-raped and their bodies mutilated.[2][3] Twenty-six soldiers were charged with criminal offenses, but only Lieutenant William Calley Jr., a platoon leader in C Company, was convicted. Found guilty of killing 22 villagers, he was originally given a life sentence, but served only three and a half years under house arrest.
The massacre, which was later called "the most shocking episode of the Vietnam War",[4] took place in two hamlets of Son My village in Qu?ng Ngãi Province.[5] These hamlets were marked on the U.S. Army topographic maps as My Lai and My Khe.[6] The U.S. military codeword for the alleged Viet Congstronghold in that area was Pinkville,[7] and the carnage was initially referenced as the Pinkville Massacre.[8][9] Later, when the U.S. Army started its investigation, the media changed it to the Massacre at Songmy.[10] Currently, the event is referred to as the My Lai Massacre in America and called the Son My Massacre in Vietnam.
The incident prompted global outrage when it became public knowledge in November 1969. The My Lai massacre increased to some extent[11] domestic opposition to the U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War when the scope of killing and cover-up attempts were exposed. Initially, three U.S. servicemen who had tried to halt the massacre and rescue the hiding civilians were shunned, and even denounced as traitors by several U.S. Congressmen, including Mendel Rivers, Chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Only after thirty years were they recognized and decorated, one posthumously, by the U.S. Army for shielding non-combatants from harm in a war zone.
More at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre
Remember the POW-MIA! Because after murdering 3 million people, poisoning their countryside and leaving their population permanently genetically wounded, we should try really hard to figure out how WE are still being victimized by them with our fantasies!
Yes, remember the pow/mia. The unknown number of them we left to rot in prison cells, despite a lot of evidence that there were still hundreds being held, with their families endlessly petitioning the govt to try to negotiate their release. But we didn't, because it would tarnish our relations with both Vietnam, and more importantly , the Russians. Who was it who shot down any attempt at a real investigation and govt response? None other than former pow john McCain
If the United States put all of its Native American Indians on one big reservation, then proceeded to systematically bomb them and shoot their children... That is EXACTLY what the Jews are doing to Palestinan people ON THEIR OWN LAND.
Do the Native Americans build terror tunnels and lob missles at the neighboring communities? Given all the shit they've pulled over the years, the Pallis have gotten off easy.
Truth is, the genocidal ones in the Middle East are the Muslims. If the Palestinians had the same military power as the Israelis, the Middle East would be rid of both Jews AND Christians--really anyone not Muslim.
the simple question is:
is defending youself against a stronger agressor wrong?
if somebody tried that shit with my corner of the world, tunnels would be the least of their problem.
and before you go implying that zionists protect Christians, better get a view from the ground there and understand to what degree of derision Christians are held - i'll help you - they're second class citizens (unless on holy land pilgrimages spending $ and spreading the zionist love back here) and worse.
apartheid is an appropriate term.
Maybe Muslims should try not being terrorist assholes for a change? Perhaps the reaction to them would be different after a while? As for "derision" against Christians, not sure about that. But hurt feelings sure beats forced conversions, rape, and murder. There are plenty of Arabs who live in Israel in peace; in contrast, unprotected Jews wouldn't last an hour in the PA controlled terroritories.
History clearly shows that its the Muslims who are consistently genocidal--everything else is projection.
What I don't understand is why the Israelis don't simply purchase Gaza and the West Bank. Give the people there a good price and they will sell. Everyone sells for a good price. The Israelis could have purchased all that land already for a a lot less than they have spent fighting everyone in the Muslim world. In fact, the Israelis could have purchased all that land for less than the USA has given them to fight everyone in the Muslim world. In fact, the USA could simply have purchase all that land for less than the USA has given the Israelis to fight everyone in the Muslim world.
When someone in your neighborhood calls you an asshole, he might actually be the asshole. But when everyone on the planet calls you an asshole, YOU might be the asshole.
Subtitle: How the "owned" media is trying to write the EBOLA meme...
Well they are doing a great job of it, look how many BS articles about Ebola are on ZH.
Yeah, sure. Most world leaders go out of their way to insist that Islam is a religion of peace. Does that mean it is?
There are a lot more Muslims in the world than Jews. And Jews are a lot less violent. That means a lot of people are more eager to appease the Muslims at the expense of the Jews. Figure it out.
Are Jews the least violent people on the planet?
Not being a Jew doesn't mean I am appeasing the Muslims because I hate Jews. It's me stating that you have damn right to include me in your fight without asking me first asshole.
Don't hate Jews, direct your ire at the Zionists. Not the same thing at all. Hate is a totally negative state which consumes the hater. People everywhere, of every nation, race, or creed, wake up of a mornning wanting make it to the end of the day, keep the roof over their heads and put food on the table - simples. It's the 0.01% who are the problem, and there you will find the ones deserving of loathing.
Hello.
From the holiest of all holy book of Judaism, the Talmud: "Even the best of the gentiles deserve only death."
In Judaism, a gentile is anyone not a so-called "Jew."
Do you call a religion represented by such vs. a religion of peace?
I respectfully suggest you take your Arab/Islam hate speech and go away.
The Judaics who demanded the creation of modern Israel (and Golda Meir too) promised to incinerate the entire planet earth if "their" land was threatened. Do you call that a reasonable, peaceful proposition? So, if seven billion earthlings decided the Judaic experiment of 7 million Judaics running Israel should come to an end, for instance, they should all move somewhere else because they are unwanted in Isreal/Palestine: do you agree that all seven billion earthlings deserve death? Really? Is that "democratic" and fair to the 7 billion non-Judaics populating planet Earth?
Suppose one person had their hand on a switch ready to incinerate the entire planet earth unless all 7 billion persons not him agreed to be his servant. Would that be fair and democratic?
Are you won of those pathetically stupid and ignorant persons that think there is such thing as a "right" to exist attached to any country, Israel, the USA, etc?
How about members of the US armed forces be put on trial for crimes against humanity . I am sure that there are many crimes covered up even today . Think about drones and bombings without Un approval
Who put the UN in charge of the rest of the planet?
Who put the US in charge of the rest of the planet? (FIFY)
There may have been a tunnel and there may have been a rocket, but using such (along with the fake kidnapping)as an excuse to level a third of Gaza is a pretty flimsy cover for the genocide of the Palestenian people. Palestinian weapons in Gaza were nearly non existant, and the slick photos of the tunnels were fake, the tunnels themselves were dug by the Jews. Where were the rockets and their launch evidence which should have made fine propaganda for Israel had they existed. It was a huge psy op to blame the Palestinians.
Fuck you for hijacking this thread and turning it into a idiotic muzlum hate thread.
Lets not forget how Nixon lied to get himself in power. Copied in 1980 with Reagan, and so on, and so on.....
You forgot, "t he holocaust never happened"; congratualtions you;re exceptionally insane even by today's standards.
A tunnel? Try over ten thousand! A few thousand have been destroyed by the Egyptian army in the past 2 years alone. 3 days ago there were four Egyptian soldiers killed as they were destroying yet another tunnel.
How would the Jews dig thousands of tunnels between Egypt and Gaza when the nearest Jewish outpost is miles away.
BTW I have been to Gaza and stayed with Palestinians in a refugee camp (Jabaliyah) so I do know the Strip quite well.
A rocket? plus a few thousand more (and many thousands more on top of that).
Hamas has already confirmed that they killed the Jewish youths that set off the recent bloodshed, Israel has also privatly told the families of the youths that the killers were all exterminated.
I recall them giving a shitload of warning that they were going to level that area beforehand. Anyone who remained essentially chose to be blown up with it.
You are aware that you're a blithering idiot, right? If you don't know it, the "Palistinians" are displaced Jordanians that the King of Jordan refuses to allow to return home.
The Israelis do not need to bomb the "palistinians/gazans" to eliminate them if that was what they wanted. All they would have to do is shut off the electricity and the water. For good measure, they could lock down the border wall and deny transit in either direction.
There would be mass anarchy within three days and violent redistribution of food within a week. Most of them would be dead at the hands of their fellows within a month.
Bombs are too expensive to use for genocide. GFY.
And the person most responsible for the POW's left behind is John McCain. He's one of the biggest creeps in American political history right alongside Henry Kissinger -
Read - http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/
ya i read that a few years ago, very eye opening. If even half of that shit is true(and i have no reason to doubt that it is), how was it not plastered all over the place when that guy was running for president? I don't recall hearing a word about it anywhere from any mainstream source.
This article is too late by at least 20 years. The MIC has already won the propaganda war. Viet Nam is only remembered by a few oldsters who will soon be dust.
Young people have once again embraced the logic of giving up their lives for other countries and another's profits. Each generation has to be bloodied to learn the lesson.
The gigantic elephant in the room is this country won't even protect it's borders, yet young people fall for the latest scam to sign up and die in a desert for a banker or an oil man. Sad.
Wilson still takes that title by a long mile.
Zionistas need the name "Jerusalem" to support the myth that they descended from OT "Ioudaios (ew-DI-awhs)." (The written word "Jew" first appeared, and never prior existed till 1775 A.D. in Sheridan's comedy play "The Rivals:" "...she hath the skin of a mummy and the beard of a Jew..." http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&u... For further proof stop at your local library and look up the word Jew in the multi-volume Oxford Dictionary of the English Language...the word Jew first appeared in print 1775 A.D.)
If the name "Jerusalem" was not needed to hide the fact that "Israeli" genetic line descends from Khazaria and not Israel, Zionistas would change the city's name to "McCainville" to honor the McCain family. John and Senator Lindsey Graham insure more money to Israel than any other country, $5B/year US taxpayer funds, primarily for military weapons. They also insure no debate ever regarding whether USSA's relationship with Israel yields net gain or loss (obviously the latter). Johnny's daddy was the judge who insured Israel got away scot free with mass murder of USA sailors on USS Liberty.
How can you justify registering to vote with choices like Obola vs. McCain and Obola vs. Romney?
Jew, Hebrew Y?h?dh?, or Yehudi, any person whose religion is Judaism. In the broader sense of the term, a Jew is any person belonging to the worldwide group that constitutes, through descent or conversion, a continuation of the ancient Jewish people, who were themselves descendants of the Hebrews of the Old Testament. In ancient times, a Y?h?dh? was originally a member of Judah—i.e., either of the tribe of Judah (one of the 12 tribes that took possession of the Promised Land) or of the subsequent Kingdom of Judah (in contrast to the rival Kingdom of Israel to the north). The Jewish people as a whole, initially called Hebrews (?Ivrim), were known as Israelites (Yisre?elim) from the time of their entrance into the Holy Land to the end of the Babylonian Exile (538 bc). Thereafter, the term Y?h?dh? (Latin: Judaeus; French: Juif; German: Jude; and English: Jew) was used to signify all adherents of Judaism, because the survivors of the Exile (former inhabitants of the Kingdom of Judah) were the only Israelites who had retained their distinctive identity. (The 10 tribes of the northern kingdom of Israel had been dispersed after the Assyrian conquest of 721 bc and were gradually assimilated by other peoples). The term Jew is thus derived through the Latin Judaeus and the Greek Ioudaios from the Hebrew Y?h?dh?. The latter term is an adjective occurring only in the later parts of the Old Testament and signifying a descendant of Yehudhah (Judah), the fourth son of Jacob, whose tribe, together with that of his half brother Benjamin, constituted the Kingdom of Judah.
In the modern world, a definition of Jew that would be satisfactory to all is virtually impossible to construct, for it involves ethnic and religious issues that are both complex and controversial. In daily life, for example, those who consider themselves Jews are generally accepted as such by Jews and non-Jews alike, even though such persons may not observe religious practices. While all Jews agree that a child born of a Jewish mother is Jewish, Reform Judaism goes beyond Orthodoxy and Conservative Judaism in affirming that a child is Jewish if either one of the parents is a Jew.
From a purely religious standpoint, Gentile converts to Judaism are accepted as Jewish in the fullest sense of the word; but in Israel the rabbinate has often placed obstacles in the registration of Jews who were not converted under the supervision of Orthodox rabbis. For this reason the chief rabbinate of Israel has been confronted in recent years with perplexing problems regarding the religious status of certain immigrants. The Supreme Court of Israel, however, has been making incursions into rabbinic interpretations of personal status. Citizens of the State of Israel are called Israelis, a term carrying no ethnological or religious connotations.
Yup, and the Jews (in the sense of Hebrews, excluding the later Ashkenazan interlopers), and the Palestinians, Lebanese et al are all sons of Shem. Furthermore, Jews, Muslims and Christians are all children of the book. As a Catholic friend of mine put it, there 's only those three and the rest (Hindu's Buddhists etc) don't exist. Nothing quite like a family feud.
Two PhD. Anthropologists, at least one a Judaic, proved beyond a shadow of doubt modern so-called Jewish DNA descended from ancient Khazaria circa 900 A.D., not modern Israel. Khazarians were war loving pagans hated by every single neighbor. They went out to war because they loved killing, especially their Christian and Muslim neighbors. (Kagan is a Khazarian name meaning "king.") One day circa 1000 AD the Khazarian pagan King woke up, read The Talmud, and decided to resurrect the religion of the Rabbis and Pharisees who murdered Christ.
"The Thirteenth Tribe" is free download on the net.
Spain banished Ioudaios for a time because the Spaniards had enough of their shaninigans.
Muslims might have many reasons to "hate" America and Americans. We certainly do everything we can to insure eventually every single non-American Muslim hates us.
But that's not why Muslims leave family and home, and travel around the world to kill Americans in the ME. The reasons Muslims do that is because:
US military is permanently stationed in the holiest of all holy Muslim lands
The USA's self-described "unbreakable bond" with Israel.
USA iron clad military support for the most hated, most evil, most brutal, murderous dictators on planet earth (al Saud family, etc.) Earth to war mongers: let's get this straight: when ISIS behead someone, very very bad bad. When our buddies the Al Saud family behead Muslims, it's very very good. (beheading is normal occurence in this wonderful princely "Kingdom" of Saudi Arabia....what is it, King Arthur's Kingdom over there?) Oh, and isn't nice for our best friends the Al Saud family to finance and build Madrassas where they teach the most caustic form of USA hate to Muslims, telling them the reasons they have to eat dirt is because of America, not the Al Saud family? Isn't that what friends do to friends?
That's why Muslims leave family and home and travel thousands of miles to kill Americans. It has nothing in the world to do with hating freedom, regardless how often the NY Times prints it.
Have you war mongers ever noticed that every single regime we take down in the ME and N. Africa is replaced by a worse regime? And all this wonderfulness for only $3-4 Trillion?
No, I would disagree and say the word Jew translates to "Judaic." Jew is not properly undestood to be related to OT Israelites, Hebrews, and/or Ioudaios.
Dear people . You have to get rid of people with dual passports and the fanatic christian useful idiots that believe in the Israel fraud . There are fanatic christians
that are as bad as the followers of ISIS. Obongo speak pften about islamic terrorism , he should do well in analizing christian and government terrorism .
May I refer you to Shakespeare's The Merchant of Venice? It is quite well known.
Shakespeare used the word Jew in The Merchant of Venice some 200 years before your claimed date of 1775 AD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Merchant_of_Venice
Little known fact-
Then Major Colin Powell had a hand covering up the initial allegations. He also covered up several other atrocities in 'Nam.
Post-'Nam, he had many doozies too...
That's how Colin got his start. A black guy who will sing and dance for the PTB was as useful back then as Obummer is today.
Ever since WWII, the MIC has been a beast that needs to be fed... Without ongoing conflict, the US military industrial complex falls apart... Thus the reason for continuous US instigated conflict around the world for my entire life...
I'm a vietnam combat veteran. I'm also a clinical psychologist and work with vietnam veterans. I also work with iraq and afghanistan veterans. It breaks my heart to see these young guys getting fucked over by the MIC, just like my generation was. What has to happen to wake the dumb american public up?
BTW, do your fucking part! Do something to fight back. Anything. Start with this -
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/restrict-travel-us-all-ebola-s...
That should be too hard, since you don't have to get off your ass to do it.
What happened to the other petition calling for a general strike in response to Ebola inaction? I was reading it and then it disappeared when I clicked to sign it. I spent a good amount of time going through ALL of the petitions to find it again but it is gone.
Quoting from the useless propaganda site known as 'wikipedia' is exactly why the pentagon needs to produce their own version.
While some may claim that a government description of events may not suit their personal beliefs, we do need to have their point of view for consideration.
PS: One of my favorite wikipedia absurdities is the claim that more jobs were created during Jimmy Carter's term as president than Ronald Reagan. Think about how from the truth people must stray to believe that nonsense.
There is no truth in belief Crash, belief and truth are two seperate things, look at you, you 'Believe' in the Reagan myths, and you think they are true,,,because,, you believe them, of all the things in this World the one thing a man can trust is the infailable voice in his head. I am special while you,, well you, you only think you are!
Having lived through both presidencies it was clear that things got much better during Reagans years while things got worse during Carters. Why is it then a myth? Do you have any evidence or are you just spouting philosophy as fact?
I too lived thru both
"His Budget Director David Stockman, an ardent fiscal conservative, wrote, "I knew the Reagan Revolution was impossible--it was a metaphor with no anchor in political and economic reality."
Of course the wealth effect had it's impact obviously.
If you look all of the last several presidents, and hell maybe it goes all they way back until Wilson. Wislon manipulated by bankers to get FED installed. Roosevelt against the will of the people wanted and did enter the US into WW2. Kennedy obviously didn't do something he was supposed to. Johnson gave us Vietnam on behalf of the standing armies need to be used by the MIC, which Eisenhower warned against. Carter didn't do something the MIC wanted, the Actor Regan was willing. And for a twofer after building up the MIC, Regan decided to fuck the Social security trust fund which is now bankrupt. Clinton sold out the bankers again taking down Glass Stegall so they could wreck the economy. Further for COrps he enacted NAFTA against the will of the people. Bush the younger buried us in debt and has millions of lives worth of blood on his hands. Finally the dingbat in chief now rammed Ocare down our throats against the will of the people.
Do you see a pattern here in the last 100 years. Our leaders actually push us in the direction the corporate/mic/banking/big pharm/ big ag, etc want us to go, regardless of what the American people want. We are a democracy in name only. No wonder the TPTB want to spread democracy around the world. Now the only two nations no susceptible to manipulation are those with authoritarion/dictatorial type regimes like China and Russia.
Well said!
America is not a democracy, doofuss. Get an education, will ya?
TheReplacement
I ‘Bet’ you didn’t know this
Living through any president term means absolutely nothing.
Let me prove it to you:
First: Reagan filled the White House with the Technocrats (Neoliberals/Neoconservatives): The Working Group on Financial Markets (also, President's Working Group on Financial Markets, the Working Group, and colloquially the Plunge Protection Team) was created by Executive Order 12631, signed on March 18, 1988 by United States President Ronald Reagan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Group_on_Financial_Markets
Second: Then, Reagan’s “Conservative Propaganda” of dumbing down the misinformed Americans with smaller government worked as planned, while Reagan ran the highest debt to GDP ratio EVER (288.5%). And mainly to the MIC:
1980 US Debt: $930,210
ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdm121980.pdf
1988 US Debt: 2,664,392
ftp://ftp.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdm121988.pdf
To put US deficit into perspective: Obama would have to run a deficit of about $38 trillion dollars to match Reagan’s GDP ratio.
4 down arrows from the still baniwashed dumbshits who worship at Rayguns's political alter, but not one refutes the facts. Facts are terrible and scary things to some.
He was a General Electric shill, promoting their agenda, and on their payroll from the 1950's.
Here is a great link to a timeline of legislation the put the nation in boncage to the banks.
The Supreme Court put the lid on the coffin in 1977 with their decision that banks could use the usry laws of the home state they were chartered in anywhere they established branches. Soon Delaware and South Dakota became home to most major finacial institutions, as there were no limits in thos estates. Up until that time, most states has limits on what interest rates could be charged - typically 18% max.
Then, piece by piece, legislation was added on as the Executive and Legislative branches went to work doing their masters bidding. Raygun was a willing and eager muppet, signing the first of these debilitating financial laws into effect. When he signed the first of these de-regulatory laws soon after taking office in 1980, increasing the amount of FDIC deposit insurance from $40,000 to $100,000 and including Savings & Loans in the coverage for the first time, here is his quote - "Boy, we are going to have some fun now." Below is the time line under his tenure. Read it and weep.
To see the rest of this sorry mess, see the whole record of disastrious financial legislation at this link.
http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/dereg-timeline-2009-07.pdf
• 1980, Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act – Legislation increases deposit insurance from $40,000 to $100,000, authorizes new authority to thrift institutions, and calls for the complete phase-out of interest rate ceilings on deposit accounts.
• 1982, Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act – Bill deregulates thrifts almost entirely, allowing commercial lending and providing for a new account to compete with money market mutual funds. This was a Reagan administration initiative that passed with strong bi-partisan support.
• 1987, FSLIC Insolvency – GAO declares the deposit insurance fund of the savings and loan industry to be insolvent as a result of mounting institutional failures.
• 1989, Financial Institutions Reform and Recovery Act – Act abolishes the Federal Home Loan Bank Board and FSLIC, transferring them to OTS and the FDIC, respectively. The plan also creates the Resolution Trust Corporation to resolve failed thrifts.
Sure, deaths happen in war.
Then greater disasters happen after the Democrat Party forced the abandonment on the US ally, south Vietnam.
3,000,000 South Vietnamise killed by the North and several hundred thousand more dead as boat people trying to escape death.
Pol Pot and the Killing Fields of Cambodia.
It is amazing to read how many here believe the Bill Ayers version of history. Obammie is your uncle.
The carpet bombing of NE Cambodia created Pol Pot. They were driven insane by the B52 strikes and headed for Phnom Phen in search of the source.
Pol Pot was born and communist indoctrinated before there was one bomb dropped on Cambodia.
The Pol Pot disaster resulted from Democrat abandonment of obligations to SE Asia. Democrats did not care about butchering deaths of several million brown asians. Why worry. Smoke weed and be happy in tie dyed.
Pol Pot was a palace dancer before he went commie, but he had no following until the people of the North East were relentlessly carpet bombed. That's a fact Jack. Viet Nam [and Thailand] was their traditional ENEMY.
apparently, hun sen was khmer rouge, then fled to vietnam, then came back to cambodia in the vietnamese invasion of 1979. has anyone also heard that saigon and surrounding areas were part of cambodia until the french handed that over to vietnam in 1948 or thereabouts? touch sunnix is a khmer nationalist, and they shot her because she openly talked about this. hun sen is a vietnam puppet. it's all so sad, because 'khmer' and 'vietnamese' are both great peoples.
This is complete rubbish, same old shit, "America should line up with bloodthirsty anti-democratic tyrants, then when the going gets tough just turn their country into a smoking heap of rubble with full military commitment". Name exactly ONE country where this strategy worked and didn't end up completely turning into a massive defeat sooner or later, look up the word "blowback" you fascist
saloth sar (pol pot) was angry at the world because he failed at electronics school in paris.
Augustus....you seem to be profoundly ignorant.
It was Nixon all the way on bombing Cambodia. He started the bombing campaign that destabilized Cambodia in March 1969 - just 2 months after being sworn into office - and kept it secret from Congress.
Just can't shake off that Rep/Dem party BS, can you?
If you want to actually learn something, try this out for size:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/16/who-supported-the-khmer-rouge/
We moved out a good number of (Catholic) evacuees. My Late Father's was assigned to the 7th Fleet, which took up the bulk of the Operation, done by Mr. Armitage against Orders.
My Neighbor claimed that his Dad flew a Helicopter carrying his Family to a Ship. Pity he's involved with bunch of Cult Monkeys which have been "studying me" as a Lab Rat and Looting Scheme. I think I even had a Subordinate on my Ship who was the worst performing Petty Officer in his Division - failed every Berthing Inspection made by the XO he was placed in charge of - compared to 6 other Supervisors who were given charge of the same group. The Troop hated it when he was in charge, since whenever it happened in Port, I'd suspend Liberty Call and inspect the spaces myself until they passed.
The idiot later took me to a CO's Hearing, accusing me of racism. Nothing happened - just a reaction after he was Chewed out and rcvd shitty Eval Grades. True Piece of Shit. Funny to see people with the same surname stalk and harass me when I made my rounds on Veterans's Day Weekend Lunches in SouthBay Los Angeles.
Even had a Vietnamese "Supervisor" at a State of California Employment Office mock me repeatedly and claim to wish to assist some Filipino Racket which was set against me from my Federal Whistleblowing. I'm presuming the Catholic/Masonic Foul Play that wages on behalf of Con Artists, Theives, and the Prosecuted.
Do I consider Vietnamese Americans as Assholes? Only those who were engaged in this Racket. Are they Ingrates? Seems like it. A group of them from UC Irvine (close to a Mooney Nexus) who spend time at VA Long Beach's Clinics seem to have a chip on their shoulders against Vets. Then "Why" are they at the VA? Don't know... It's annoying to see an MD or two call Vets "Lazy Bums" as they walk by.
I'm sure to take my complaint to Patient Affairs when I spot the next one. They've kicked out a South Korean and a Vietnamese MD from what I heard. From what I understand, Draft Dodging Peaceniks.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/10/16/who-supported-the-khmer-rouge/
And i am seeing more and more storys like this,kind of eye opening.
Pol Pot + Khomeni + Ho Chi Minh = French Masons taught them all.
I have a dear friend, ill from agent orange that survived "Hamburger Hill".
I cannot imagine the horror he's witnessed.
Every time I read some knucklehead saying "boomers need to die, they caused all this", I'd love to shove a few photos of the massive demonstrations to end the war right up their exit. Their apathy is pathetic.
As we've seen from the cartoons posted here, this has been going on for quite some time.
I shall not shed a tear with the demise of the money changers. It cannot happen soon enough.
Here are my personal favorites in no particular order.
1. I have a dear friend.
2. My high school teacher was an ex-something who shared this story.
3. My departed Grandfather.
Well, how nice.
Nice you have some favorites.
Stationed at Long Beach hospital for 1 1/2 years. The fillipinas were a snotty bunch.
Moved to Texas and sat in on a court martial for another fillipna who put a beer can in a sock and beat the shit out of a couple of officers for no fucking reason. Another idiot in their group filmed it all. Another white boy that was in the beat down lied to me and everyone else, later admitting that he did beat the shit out of the officer but didn't get cought on tape. I can't wait for this empire to crumble so we normal people can get back to civility.
It is impossible to take seriously anyone who begins every comment with the same (condescending) word.
Easy there, he can't help that he's a little out of sorts. When he went down to the river to take a deuce this morning, a bloated corpse was blocking his way.
I think it is cute. As he says, he has "style".
The US fought the Vietnam War to destroy Communism. And by bombing the country back to the Stone Age and killing a big % of working age men they succeeded.
Forget any craop you hear about the US "losing" in Vietnam. The people at the top got what they wanted. The 58,000 Americans and 1,000,000 Vietnamese...not so much.
The irony was that 18 and 19 year olds were DRAFTED to fight in the Vietnam War to supposedly stop the spread of communism; yet before these Vietnam vets were old enough to retire in 2008, they elect a President who was mentored by Bill Ayers.
Very few draftees were sent to Vietnam. Most combat vets were enlisted. Just saying.
The US military did not lose in Vietnam.
The Democrat party determined that they did not care one bit about how many brown people the communists would slaughter. No funding, no weapons aid, just abandon those people to the butchers.
3,000,000 died in S Vietnam as a result. Pol Pot was written up as a perfect person to create a new order in Cambodia. Pol Pot created the stone age in Cambodia. March the people from the cities to the killing fields, then use cheap bullets to liquidate them.
Bill Ayers and his weather underground created similar plans for the US.
but in the u.s.a., 'they're' going to march the people _into_ the cities, instead of _out of_ the cities.
Fought a war to fight communism?
Ohh, Boy! Many of you drank lots of the ‘propaganda’ Kool-Aid.
“I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested. War is a racket. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.” -- Smedley Butler
Hopefully within my lifetime the time will come when the rest of the world will say "American Interest" can go fuck itself up the arse.
NB: American interest being a euphemism for MIC interest so as not to tarnish your average Joe with the same shit-caked brush the cunts are using).
Ohh, Boy! Many of you drank lots of the ‘propaganda’ Kool-Aid.
Glad someone finally said itThe USA War On Vietnam has not ended: retired USA citizens still are not allowed to have a Vietnam residence and receive Social Security checks.
A retired USA citizen can get his Social Security check and live almost anywhere in the world - but not in Vietman.
SOMEONE powerful in the USA must still be nursing a wounded ego after his Vietnam War was "lost", and still be needing to medicate that pain by kicking puppies.
They warned that if we didn't stop the Commies in Vietnam we'd end up with Commies governing us.
Sure enough, we gave up in Vietnam and now have Commies governing us.
A West Point history instructor and Army officer named McMaster wrote a book about ten years ago called, "Dereliction of Duty: LBJ, McNamara, the Joint Chiefs, and the lies that led to Vietnam." Great read for those who are interested. Very well researched. The whole justification for our actions in SE Asia were goverened by domestic politics, specifically LBJ's efforts to railroad his Great Society legislation through Congress. Shameful.
LBJ gained office via a coup.
...and Obongo is one of the best presidents in US history.
Bwahahahahaa
+10,000
and yet nothing has achieved that goal more than the War on Poverty
someone should have told Johnson that it's guns _or_ butter, not guns _and_ butter
The rule of war
1) There are no other rules
Any questions?
This is a weird non-story. Why would you want the Pentagon writing a sociological history of what happened stateside during the war? Whether it was right or wrong, there was an actual military conflict in Vietnam, that is probably worth documenting strictly as a military operation. And you'd expect that the US military would write that. You'd also expect them to whitewash stuff like My Lai, but so what? You can get that information elsewhere.
And Tom Hayden is a douchebag. Fuck him.
It would be nice to get a non-baby boomer oriented, peace movement perspective on it for once. If anything the propaganda is skewed waaaay too much to that side.
In other words, no one who was actually there at the time?
Not what I meant. I mean focused on the actual military event/effort instead of through the prism of domestic affairs at the time.
Can't change history bub, even though the powers that be try. The war was based on a lie, it was done so we could subvert democracy with our own dictator. The other guys having their own dictator didn't make us right. We just fueled a revolutionary movement by being their devil, much as we have done in Iraq. Fuck war, militarism, intolerance, and nationalism no matter what side it is on. It is all treachery to the larger humanity, and moreso to the even larger life of the world.
We are going to have to change our conversation; we're going to have to change our traditions, our history; we're going to have to move into a different place as a nation.” — Michelle Obama, May 14, 2008
Minitruth FTW!!
The basis of the war was not formed from a lie.
The North violated the treaty creating two countries. Ho Chi Mihn was an insane communist dictator.
After treaty ended the war, the NVA rolled over the abandonded south in months, violating that treaty.
Three Million died in South Vietnam from communist butchery.
The North credited Democrat John F. Kerry as one of their best propagandists. Now he is Obama's tool as Secretary of State with orders to not hinder butchery by ISIS.
People of a country are allowed to govern themselves. Ho Chi Minh went to the US first in his attempt to free his country and unite North and South. He was treated as a douche, so he went to USSR. The French went to the US for help but they were too far gone. We entered that war after the military reported it as a bad deal. Spread of Communism my ass. We entered that country on strictly domestic reasons. BTW the treaty creating two countries was not in accord with the wishes of the people of Vietnam. The Viet Minh were heros for freeing their country from the French. Read some history.
BINGO!
Read Ho Chi Minh's 1945 Declaration of Independence speech, he even saved a couple of downed US fighters during WWII. So what's the next lie going to be? The Ebola Wars?
"In the autumn of 1940, when the Japanese Fascists violated Indochina's territory to establish new bases in their fight against the Allies, the French imperialists went down on their bended knees and handed over our country to them."
French Imperialists? Uncle Ho was also rewriting history. The SOCIALIST Vichy French were the ones to let the Japs enter Indo China. Socialists are the worst for internal struggles and the rewriting of history.
..spaceman
put your MacWhatever down for a second. Sure, your student loans are outrageous and the govt has trashed our job base. Back in the 60s, there wasn't much of an option: 1) II-S deferment (school) 2) Canada 3) Death
Your focus today is maybe on an excellent home made meal by someone in your tribe. Or money to cover rent. The unspoken Social Contract between Governement and Citizen got shredded during VietNam.
For good measure, our Treasury got shredded paying the MIC.
The 1960s ripped America apart, dinner table by dinner table. Families estranged in the huge nationwide nightmare on what constituted valore and duty.
The Pentagon drove a tank through this chasm in the American psyche and proved what General Vo Nguyen Giap announced "..in the end this was the triumph of human will over weaponry."
Of course, General Giap is barely a search term in your mindscape.
Please read some basic books: "Sorrow of War" written from a North Vietnamese soldier, Bao Ninh and "A Bright, Shining Lie: by Neil Sheehan.
Punch 'em up on Amazon and read the reviews. You have much catching up to do.
You forgot the 4th drafting dodging alternative - USAR / National Guard / Conscientious Objectors:
No one went from NG or Reserves to Nam
Bush NG
Gore USAR
Quale NG
Cheny - phony medical scumbag after multiple student deferments
Romney - bullshit conscientious objector - (hung out with his girlfriend in paris)
Clinton - same conscientious bullshit
Biden - same bullshit... NG
and most of us who were: Lawyers/ Bankers / CPA's / Cops / - all in my USAR unit in NJ - we beat it!
What is great about all this you found out forty years later all the "patriots" calling other people to war were fucking the system as well
excellent book on Korean War (The Hidden History of the Korean War by IF Stone 1953) - almost the same lie playbook as VN / Iraq / Afgan / Syria - False Flags abound
The last POTUS to have served in the military and saw combat, was Bush Sr. I don't trust this NWO proponent, but at least he had BALLS. Balls enough to serve in wartime.
In fact, I'd make it an Election Requirement: If you did not serve in wartime -- and the US is constantly in some fucking war -- then you can't be a Presidential Candidate. That nixes Billary and Bush III.
I concur.
We should have required Conscription from every South Vietnamese Youth who immigrated here during the Vietnam War, everyone in Europe and the Far East during the Cold War, and from every Japanese and South Korean to this Present Day, since we're sending Troops to be stationed there.
The South Koreans Youths who come here are avoiding "Their Draft" by attending US H.S., Vocational School, Colleges, or by just simply living here at large. I say, if G.I. Joe and Jane can't go to State U. Full Time because he and she are serving in South Korea, neither should a Draft Dodger from South Korea have the luxury and freedom of pursuing College Education under our Protection.
We should require Conscription from them via our Military or their Home Country's before we let them in.
This explains why so many Moonies, Left Wing Nut Job Draft Dodgers, ex-Convics, and Peacenik Proselytizers have given me such a hard time. They'll be doomed if I ran for Congress.
Guess the Two Draft Dodgers have put in their vote.
What do you expect, really, someone who Dodged the Draft to be Commander in Chief over those who volunteered or served the Draft?
We need people who actually had their Skin in the Game being CinC - no Chickenhawks, as we're seeing the disaster stemming from Clinton, Dubya, and now our Drone-Bomber Obama.
Yes, people in the various reserve components did get called up.
Kerry joined the naval reserve to avoid active service. surprisingly they were called to duty. He got some purple hearts for band aides.
Clinton escaped because of the draft lottery system.
Gore's unit was called up and he was there. Lucky he did not shoot himself from inspecting the rifle tube from the wrong end. Picture is on the web.
Bush's unit was not called up because their aircfrat were not suitable. He was just a bit lucky.
Your love of Bush is not suitable.
Full disclosure, Obummer is a bad joke on all of us.
Yeah, a strange story for sure.
Ironic that progressive assclowns are protesting a war that was a result of progressive policy. Constitutional conservatives would have never intervened in Vietnam.
Grimaldus
..correction to the article:
58,000 American troops KIA
400k maimed, wounded, and in need of a viable Veterans Administration
we killed 3 million Vietnamese, not 1 million. Most of the fighting took place in the SOUTH below the DMZ. For good measure, we soaked the area with Agent Orange which breaks down into DIOXIN. Google up "Operation RanchHand."
Ran for 10 years solid.
Read Bernard Fall's excellent "Hell In a Small Place" Hey...book a flight into DaNang, HaNoi or Ho Chi Minh City and head to the ChuChi Tunnels yourself. Or Vinh Moc. See the shithole hilltop that was Khe Sahn. Many ghosts in VietNam, for good reason.
If the US ad wanted to win tat war, rather than try to defend a treaty between North and South Vietnam, the fighting would have been in the north. The figting was in the south because the North Vietnamese were the invaders.
I wonder if the web site shows excerpts from McNamara's "Fog of War," esp where he confesses the Gulf of Tonkin lie as tears roll down his cheeks ? I've always found it strange the Vietnamese do not have a deeper grudge against merika. I'm glad they don't, but it seems odd.
who was that rep, back in the 1950s or thereabouts? he warned the republican party of foreign intervention. senator taft...
Yeah, a strange story for sure.
Ironic that progressive assclowns are protesting a war that was a result of progressive policy. Constitutional conservatives would have never intervened in Vietnam.
Grimaldus
I expect a lot of down arrows, but the Vietnam war was one of the worst circumstances of American cowardice on record. We left those people in Cambodia and Vietnam to fend for themselves against the communists, and history is the proof what a mistake our abandoning it all was. Thanks Teddy, Kerry, Carter etal. And especially Hanoi Jane and Tom Hayden.
Pol Pot, Khmer Rouge (sp), the Vietnamese concentration camps and massive graveyards plus the legacy of one of poorest countries on earth is all you need to know.
Did we do it wrong? Most certainly there were significant errors. But our biggest error was leaving.
Read Paul Johnson in Modern Times for the truth.
sschu
I gave you a down arrow because you said, "But our biggest error was leaving" when the biggest error was actually drafting young adults to go in.
the biggest error was actually drafting young adults to go in.
Perhaps. This changed the political landscape and made the prosecution of the war problematic. But we did not have the draft for either Iraq war and the left in the US was vociferously opposed. They would have rejected the idea of war in SE Asia no matter the circumstances.
sschu
Remember this?
So far we have heard a couple of descriptions of the biggest error of the Vietnam War.
If we hear 2 or 3 more, then we'll know once and for all.
didn't the usa attempt to install the french back in after 1945? after ww2, the french should have never had anything to do with se asia. compounding that failure, we tried to pick up where the french left off after they finally cut and ran. we should have just stayed out of that area. marshall probably shouldn't have sold out chiang either.
sadly this dvd set has been edited/censored from the original series but still has some accuracy with a critical eye.
http://www.amazon.com/Vietnam-Television-History-Everett-Alvarez/dp/B000...
You are a Fuckin Idiot - leaving was wrong? being there was wrong !- Ho Chi Mien was US ally in WWII - it was his property NOT USA - figure out the lies admitted by MacNamara about false flags
Thanks for the kind words.
I fail to see how "it was Ho Chi Minh's property." Did any of the people who lived there have a say?
We found out what Ho/Pol Pot etal thought about the people you purport to support when the USA left. Death camps, concentration camps, murder, communism, extreme poverty etal. Nice job Ho (even though he was dead by then)!
Be a defender of Ho etal if you want, your true colors are there for all to see.
sschu
Like a a lot of left icons, Uncle Ho's politics are unassailable. Whadayougonnado?
So
The CIA arranged the assassination of Diem in 1963.
I fail to see that Diem was America's property to dispose of.
I so wish I had the ability to post the pictures of the piles of dead from the Cambodian Genocide.
Would that change your mind?
sschu
What would that prove? Given the eight years of US intervention in that country and a massive (secret, illegal) carpet bombing campaign (involving 2.7 million tons of bombs, almost 1 million more than was dropped on Japan during WWII) that murdered hundreds of thousands, displaced a third of the population, devastated the countryside, and destabilzed the country... which led to the Khmer Rouge coming to power in the first place. Spare us your fake crocodile tears, hypocrite.
Are you ignorant of the US government's covert aiding and abetting of the Khmer Rouge? That went on for many years.
sschu,
Keep on preaching the truth.
Make Bill Ayers accept responsibility for the millions killed after the NVA over ran the south.
The left is so predicable, no one has answered the real question. They obfuscate and lie and present arguments that have little to do with the central point.
Communism killed hundreds of millions of people and America had a chance to keep this genocide from occurring in SE Asia but we walked away and left those millions of people to their fate.
Communism is Satanical. We had a moral duty and we shirked it. Shame on America, what a dark and sad period in our history. May God have mercy.
All else, while perhaps true, is fluff.
sschu
In other news, Ebola responds to deployment of US troops by deploying sleeper cells on the US homeland.
If you see something , say something.
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2014/10/16/new-york-times-reports...
I'm curious what people make of this.
The lateist i heard was that ISIS was finding old hidden stock piles and was going to use them,false flag proably.
The thing is they always new Iraq had WMDs, Washington DC had all the receipts as they sold the WMDs to Iraq.
....at best attempted distraction; has any new information come to light that would justify the naked aggression displayed by the Bush-Cheney regime - it became generally know as the bush doctrine but it was wolfacunt that put it together and pushed it through the usual psycho channels i seriously doubt the little GW retarded boy could spell doctrine much less say it - but yeah there is little that comes out of the NY times-post that will ever be truly reliable and truthful - don't forget the editorial staff is paid for by the langley crowd....
I don't know, It came to light because of the injured soldiers who were made to dispose of these chemical weapons without being told what they were. So the WMD's were either there or not.
It was always known that Saddam had chemical weapons. Ask any Kurds whose friends and relatives were killed by them. Why everyone pretended that none were found is beyond me. Perhaps the puppet masters simply wanted to discredit the Red Team to pave the way for the Blue Team in 2008 and sent out the marching orders accordingly.
According to the story, about "5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs" were found scattered across Iraqi soil. These were most likely used by Saddam against the Kurds etc. and were used before the first gulf war. Scattered across Iraqi soil can only mean they are spent warheads. That much was already well known. Everything Bush said about a current stockpile ready for future use was lies.
I getcha, I just have a problem with the whole weapons of mass destruction meme in general considering the context of the Iraq-American relationship; basically anything the Iraqi regime had was most likely at best remenants of the ultimately US supplied "WMD's" but to address the miltary personnel suffering ill health effects due to the handling of toxic chemicals - hmmmmm wouldn't you think they should have been supplied with proper PPE for handling such weapons?? Pardon my tin foil hat and all but seems like a play at - I told you so...... see soldiers are sick from handling WMD's that we said were here all along....... ya know from we still have the signed receipts and all ......
edit: Sorry, but the point that seems to be lost is simply this - "Who the hell is the US to attack a sovereign country particularly on bullshit foundations of WMDs " never heard a good explanation for that one yet.
Yes. Does not matter what saddam had or not, there was no reason to intervene. Same with Hillary's Libya war. NO reason to go there other than bloodthirsty progressive tyranny.
Grimaldus
Here is the chemical weapons that ISIS might have control of.
http://rt.com/news/171388-iraq-loses-chemical-weapons-depot/
What are we to think?
That's why Bush was so insistent that Iraq had chemical weapons.
Because he knew the US had given the Iraqis CW during the Iran Iraq War.
But in 2003 they were inoperative, broken down and no more a threat than a WWII fighter plane in mothballs for 50 years.
THE NEOCON APPARATCHIKS AT STATE AND DOD HAVE RUN AMERICA'S FOREIGN POLICY SINCE VIETNAM.
I hear you, but you say Neocons, New York Times is anything but Neocon. Interestingly the Huffpost is also running with the story.
Neocon is one of those words that sets my propoganda alarm bells ringing. It's used to divide people in an emotional way. No clear substance.
Otherwise plausible.
In any case, it's an irrelevant detail.
Power and control at any cost is the perspective to keep in mind.
Soros is on record bragging about his involvement in the war in Ukraine, he's also a known globalist and progressive. He hand selected and funded Obama for President. That why I think the label of Neocons is a diversion from the progressives who are the ones really behind what's going on.
Neocons and contemporary progressives are both enemies of individual freedom anyways.
I don't think neocon PNAC and their war on terror was a "diversion" from the Soros' agenda. That's absurd.
What I'm saying is neocons and progressives are one and the same playing off of different R/B teams. but both have the same exact globalist agenda. Progressives are master mislabelers and misdirectors, their own name is a lie. The term Neocon which they created implies some connection to conservative ideology, which is preposterous.
Fair enough.
Along with liberalism. That word took a 135 degree turn also.
My understanding is that "neocon" means "new conservative", and means proponents of a militaristic imperial New World Order (one world government, directed by western central bankers). I don't know what "progressive" means anymore. I thought it pertained more to domestic issues, not international ones, and was more or less anti-war and anti-empire, while neocons are clearly pro-war and pro-empire. I thought Teddy Roosevelt was one of the original "progressives", and I thought he hoped to run on the Progressive Party ticket as a candidate for the Presidency in 1920, but he died that year.