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Sat, 10/18/2014 - 18:24 | 5351050 PoliticalRefuge...
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." OH, isn't he so sexy and handsome!!"..
uh, I think that train left the station, problem is the cute black and white puppy grew up into a three headed ravening beast and possibly a bit player in the book of Revelations.

..it was totally predictable but still came as a shock to unicorn worshipers everywhere.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:04 | 5351255 livefreediefree
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For some reason, can't edit my post.

American Dreams. My bad; I meant Brave New World.

New_Meat: Progressivism Obama style is authoritarian left-wing.

Political_Refuge: Obama is a supermodel,

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 19:39 | 5350935 JustObserving
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Operation Mockingbird has been running since the 1950s.  Kennedy promised to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.  Instead his brains were blown into a thousand pieces on November 22, 1963 as Jackie valiantly tried to collect the pieces from the trunk of the Presidential limousine.  Since then a cabal of the Military Industrial Complex has run the land of the free.

Yes, Orwell was wrong about the date - 21 years too late.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:44 | 5351332 RobD
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP6jDM6sXhA

 

Watch as the secret service stands down before JFK is shot.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:43 | 5351693 california chrome
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@RobD, Clint Hill is a fucking liar.

It's written all over his body.

In his eyes, voice and face.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 17:39 | 5350953 Bumbu Sauce
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Under the spreading chestnut tree
I sold you and you sold me
There lie they, and here lie we
Under the spreading chestnut tree

 

The symbology is pretty strong.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 17:40 | 5350957 WOD
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I haven't read the novel, nor have I viewed the film. I get the premise though, and I see parallels on a daily basis. The cartoon does a great job of demonstrating how dumbed-down the populace has become, because a good-sized percentage of the current US population still wouldn't understand it... even in cartoon form.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 04:57 | 5351881 WOD
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Okay, I ended up watching the 1958 film, just to satiate my curiosity. I stand by my previous statement above..I will add this though. If you're born into a prison and know nothing else.. how would you know you were a prisoner, if the past and present have been altered? As an example, I grew up thinking the US were the 'good guys', and we were great and awesome, and the world looked upon us with envy. Now that I'm older, and know that I've been lied to, about a good many things I previously thought; Vietnam, WW2, Iran etc. I at least have the expereience of knowing a world without a police state, surveillance, and have watched the fall of America into a fascist oligarchy. The generations after me know nothing else, and it worsens generation after generation.

 

Ask not what your country can do for you, because they're doing it to you already!

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 17:51 | 5350979 Bumbu Sauce
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It's kinda heady reading but the concepts and future view that C.S. Lewis puts forth in the third of his space trilogy, That Hideous Strength, was a bold prognostication of a bleak future as well.  The various monologues by Fairy Hardcastle, Lord Feverstone, The Head, Merlin, Ransom, and especially Professor Augustus Frost.

You will root for Mr. Bultitude.  :)

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 18:28 | 5351057 smacker
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I have often thought that the wind is in the direction of the evil slimeballs who are dragging global society towards the nightmare of 1984.

Why? Because when you talk to the younger generations they were born into this sh*t and most of them know nothing else. That makes imposing authoritarianism much easier. The problem for the elites are the older generations who have known freedom and liberty in their earlier life.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 18:49 | 5351101 yellowsub
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I think if he used 2014, it may have come off as a futuristic science fiction than 1984 which at least is still their century.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 00:40 | 5351765 effendi
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Yellowsub, you make a valid point. People in 1948 could understand that 1984 would be in their lifetime and that they were the ones who needed to act. Nobody really cares about what happens in the distant future.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 18:58 | 5351120 limacon
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Maybe Orwell had more of this type of collapsing inequality in mind :

http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2011/01/blackhole-structures.html

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 19:04 | 5351137 Goldilocks
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Chicago - Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uy0ldI_1HA (4:34)

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 21:17 | 5351420 ThankYouSatan
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Come on babe gotta update the library

 

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:16 | 5351544 monad
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I know what time it is. This is not just the only time that matters, this is the only time we can share. Behind us is the cradle, before us the grave. Many wish us horror, for just being.

Do your best.

Love, 

Dad

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 19:33 | 5351198 Atomizer
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I love liberalism down votes. See above. Keep up the good work Zerohedge, Tyler's. 

 

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 19:33 | 5351200 False Capital
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Just out of academic interest, can anyone point me to where Orwell discusses "gibberish music generated by computer"? To me, this sounds like a comment from a grumpy old person rather than anything constructive - "Oh no, rock n' roll is corrupting the youth" or some crap like that.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:38 | 5351317 Bananamerican
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put on some reggaeton and get back to me....

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 02:25 | 5351827 ebear
Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:42 | 5351323 One Eyed Jack
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So your argument would be that music and other media steeped in obscenity and violence have helped create perfect little ladies and gentlemen?

Tell me please where is the evidence to suggest that children were more violent or vulgar or even on par in violence and vulgarity with the youth of today.

I'm sure that here is no corollary to what they watch and listen to and how they act. Because the entertainment industry said so.

This vile trash churned out of Hollywierd, has done far more to debase and destroy the culture than any government entity.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:30 | 5351582 NickVegas
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Why do you think Hollyweird isn't a governmnet entity? I present you "Let's Roll", "24". and a variety of entertainment designed to divide and conquer as designed by Bernays,

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:46 | 5351696 L Bean
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ia and fwiw am pretty well-Orwelled, and don't remember him focusing much on musical trends on fascism or whateverism, period. Music is just not in his explicatory repetoire, imo. He may have derided military or patriotic bands at some point, but it doesn't stand out in my memory.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 04:00 | 5351863 ebear
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Music is subversive, from the medieval bard's oblique mocking of the king, to the 60's protest songs inspired by the working class ballads of the 30's and 40's.  Jazz, Blues, R&B, R&R, Punk, Reggae, Rap, even C&W (take this job and shove it) - all part of the subversion of cultural conditioning.

Surprised that Orwell missed that.  Makes me wonder what else he missed.

 

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:12 | 5351210 Baby Eating Dingo22
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George Orwell

George Carlin

Geniuses

 

By George, I think I'm on to something here....

 

George Bush...never mind

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:31 | 5351304 bid the soldier...
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Would that include 'Midnight train to Georgia'?

It was kind of great.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 21:20 | 5351432 didthatreallyhappen
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obama

ebola

I think I'm on to something here

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:23 | 5351291 DarthVaderMentor
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Who said Orwell had the wrong date? Maybe it's just that the sheep have just figured out what he knew decades ahead of the sheep.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:29 | 5351294 One Eyed Jack
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I know this will sound totally corny but..

I was watching the wizard of Oz with my youngest daughter the other day, I see a lot of symbolism in that movie too Americas rise to becoming an empirical power, statism, and interventionism. Most striking to me is at the end when everyone is getting their wishes fulfilled.

Dorothy asks how she cold possibly get home and The Good witch says "you have had the power all along my dear"

Isn't that the truth? The power does lie with us all. How many little men are there behind the curtain really? If everyone just said nope, or piss off what could they do? I think that they would do precisely what happened when the Bureau of land management met stiff resistance, pack up and leave.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:42 | 5351329 bid the soldier...
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Cowardly Lion: I *dobelieve in spooks, I *dobelieve in spooks. ..

.Wicked Witch of the West: Ah! You'll believe in more than that before I'm finished with you.

Is the Cowardly Lion having a feeling of foreboding about Barack Obama and his tenure of office?


Sat, 10/18/2014 - 21:19 | 5351422 One Eyed Jack
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Not sure but the fallacies of education, the state, interventionism are addressed

In the end the wizard points out that where he is from learned men think thoughts all day the only thing that they have that the scare crow doesn't
Is a piece of paper ( the fallacy of education through the state co-opted indoctrination system)

Tells the cowardly lion what makes men brave? A medal from the state which institutionally recognizes his valor lest it exist

The tin woodsman wants a heart and is gifted a clock which tells time true love knows no such boundaries of time

Dorothy is asked what she learns (non interventionism) I won't go chasing after greener pastures if its not in my backyard I don't need it. In the end Dorothy is the one who gets screwed out of what she wants by the state, he leaves her stranded.

And in the the end she discovers that it was her that had the ability within her all along to effect the change hat she desired. Not government .
It should also be noted that no one actually got courage,or intelligence, or a heart merely cheap trinkets to placate their desires, while the state slipped away scot free.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:05 | 5351532 bid the soldier...
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you're being unnecessarily harsh.

Not sure but the fallacies of education, the state, interventionism are addressed

In 1939 those weren't fallacies.

The depression wasn't yet over. Hitler was preparing to invade Poland and exterminate the Jews.

The people needed good entertainment.

The Wizard of Oz is... what, the best, most famous film ever made.

I hope your little girl doesn't read your comments about it.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 07:17 | 5351934 One Eyed Jack
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You're welcome to your opinion.

With that said yes all of those things were happening; However when the book was written and originally published in 1900, the US was not involved in any of those things. No WW I, No Federal Reserve, limited Federal government, etc.

The film adaptation of the book was made during a time when the US found itself at a fork in the road with regards to WWII (1939), and at that time there were many that were opposed to going to war in Europe again within a generation.

I suppose that TPTB were using the film adaptation of a favorite childrens story book of many a young citizen to entice them into seeing the world for Uncle Sam.

Popularity of the book combined with a co-opted movie industry during WWII to achieve the goal of swaying public pinion to the US involvement in WWII.

IMHO Frank Baum was writing his book to entice the minds of children from interventionism, statism, and the glory of war and exposing the lies and fallacies pimped by government and their crony industries, media, education and finance. This because all these institutions got us into the Spanish American war to achieve their goals.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:29 | 5351682 Policraticus
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Brilliant One Eyed Jack.  Perhaps we would all be better off if we watched some of the classics.  A good place to start for some would be to read the Anti-Federalist Papers.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 07:21 | 5351941 One Eyed Jack
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Agreed, and read the Classics like the Anti-Federalist papers and the Canon of western civilization.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:28 | 5351679 the grateful un...
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oh come on the great oz was a fraud, and he ended up selling dorothy and her pals the american progressive movement. (self help) fortunately dorothy woke up

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 07:31 | 5351947 One Eyed Jack
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Correct I agree that is my point.

I don't think Oz sold them self help, I think that Oz offered BS and trinkets to save his own ass when it was discovered that he was a fallible weak charlatan.

It is recognized in the movie that government has no solutions, (it is recognized by me anyway) and if you want something done you must do it for yourself.

I also recognize that each of us posses the ability to do almost anything individually. So why Government?

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:31 | 5351306 dexter_morgan
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3,5B must go. better healthcare and vaccines can be used to accomplish this? Seems it would be other way around.

https://archive.org/details/WipeOutHumans-BillGates-VaccinesArebestWayTo...

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:43 | 5351328 Otto Zitte
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People, this is what the Chinese have been subjected to since Mao. Brought to you by WTO Jr.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:44 | 5351333 lost money
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None of this would matter if we just legalized pot and end the war on drugs

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 21:19 | 5351433 zorbathefreak
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Yu Tu Hi

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:46 | 5351337 Otto Zitte
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For the Pedestrians:

You get a comment from the agents when they flag you. This way they save time by searching their own comments to document yours.

You may get a down vote for the same reason. But that implies something you won't believe...

Tylers, kill the search module. Make them work.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:50 | 5351350 Statetheist
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If this were truly like 1984 then we would not be able to compare it to the novel as all knowledge of that book would have been wiped out. Comparing things to 1984 has become the Godwin's Law of the 21st century. It's tired and boring.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 20:51 | 5351351 Statetheist
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And lazy.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 21:11 | 5351407 KickIce
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The only thing Orwell missed, and it is huge, is the world giving up completely on a commodity based system.  Otherwise, he's pretty much right on with his prediction.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 21:23 | 5351441 tony wilson
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winston what is isis

what is ebola

they are decay and darkness.

zion is the light winston

let the thousand points of talmudick ight guide you

to your fema camp destiny.

an invitation to your own personal automated hazmat beheading

followed by a one on one meeting with a furnace for your singular holocaust

winston you are part of the food process full kosher certification.

food for the saturnic caananite kabbalistic rabbi

init

 

EBOLA IS THE "ISIS OF BIOLOGICAL AGENTS" - CNN FEAR PORN VIA DHS!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPsDME4j74k&list=UU3xHAfZZqbMMWjc1ed1ajo...

 

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 21:25 | 5351447 Billy Bob101
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When I had to read 1984 in school in 1962, I thought it was the craziest, most ridiculous thing I had ever heard.  Nothing like this could ever happen in America, I thought.  How quickly things have changed!  Today, most Americans accept the police state as normal and don't see any problem whatsoever with it. 

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 21:59 | 5351525 NoWayJose
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The most amazing thing about '1984' is that Orwell wrote it at a time when there WAS freedom in the United States.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:50 | 5351700 L Bean
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The militarism and the secrecy in 1948 were pretty well established forces in the US by that time; e.g., endless A-Bomb testing and god-knows-what-else those nazis were really getting up to. 

And even then it was no secret that Hitler even modeled his propaganda campaigns on those of Madison Ave...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 08:10 | 5351961 cherry picker
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What freedom?  Japanese internment camps because those Americans had the appearance of being oriental?  Blacks in the South were segregated, couldn't use the same toilets, restaurants, bus seats as whites?

What about the Joe McCarthy anti commie purge and black lists which destroyed lives.

The Constitution never lived up to its name in the land of the "Free" as it inconvenienced too many small mined folks who had too much power.

Freedom was lost when the South was not allowed to separate.

The what about those Mexicans living in what used to be Mexico and is now the US or the people in Alaska which used to be Russian.  What if they didn't want to be part of the good old USA but were merely bought or sold like merchandise.

There has been a separatist movement in Hawaii but they are treated like nutters.  When I was there last, many natives had to work two or three jobs to survive while some gringo with coin lived on their most beautiful lands.

And don't forget the draft, forcing the young into military slavery fighting wars in foreign lands which had nothing to do with self defense.

Last but not least the Trail of Tears, when Native owners to the great land were and are living on reservations?  They claimed the white man spoke with two faces.  That is, was and will be true...

The USA says one thing, does another.  Always been that way.  If it weren't for the power of Hollywood selling the fantasy of a noble and good America, it is no different than many other countries and probably less free than many.

By the way, don't forget to mow your lawn or keep your garage door open too long, someone may complain and you may get thrown in jail and please do not carry too much cash as the cops will steal it.

 

 

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:06 | 5351533 Space Animatoltipap
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Not a blade of grass moves without the will of the Lord. Sinful life leads to a mind suffering from "1984" fantasies. Luckily one can reach superior reality. Become an illuminati yourself. Just to start with, of course. Hare Krishna.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:12 | 5351537 alexcojones
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Why '1984'?

"Orwell's title remains a mystery. Some say he was alluding to the centenary of the Fabian Society, founded in 1884. Others suggest a nod to Jack London's novel The Iron Heel (in which a political movement comes to power in 1984), or perhaps to one of his favourite writer GK Chesterton's story, "The Napoleon of Notting Hill", which is set in 1984.

In his edition of the Collected Works (20 volumes), Peter Davison notes that Orwell's American publisher claimed that the title derived from reversing the date, 1948, though there's no documentary evidence for this. Davison also argues that the date 1984 is linked to the year of Richard Blair's birth, 1944, and notes that in the manuscript of the novel, the narrative occurs, successively, in 1980, 1982 and finally, 1984. There's no mystery about the decision to abandon "The Last Man in Europe". Orwell himself was always unsure of it. It was his publisher, Fred Warburg who suggested that Nineteen Eighty-Four was a more commercial title."

1984: The masterpiece that killed George Orwell


Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:16 | 5351546 max2205
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Hey there's a new IPad out.....looks like the first one.....I don't get it

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 04:30 | 5351872 ebear
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retro is the new cool.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:42 | 5352952 Village-idiot
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If retro is the new cool...then the next iPad should look like an old Etch-a Sketch.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:19 | 5351553 limacon
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Orwell did not appreciate the beauty of incompetence .

See

https://www.academia.edu/8843907/A_Tale_of_Two_Armadas

 

Only in modern times have the Delian League been surpassed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delian_League

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:27 | 5351653 flapdoodle
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Good point, but it bears remembering that incompetence is one of TPTB's most powerful tools - it allows them to blame the most evil and cold-blooded of deeds on mere ignorance, sloth or mismanagement.Think of Hannah Arendt's "banality of evil" transformed into an actual excuse for why the totalitarian state comes about, covering up the blame and implying that its all an honest mistake which just wasn't implemented right (so blame the guy who is designated as the incompetent fallguy instead of the deciders within the TPTB). So Ebola in the US is the fault of the head of the CDC, and not due in any way to the Soros/Gates disease lab in Sierra Leone.

Obama is the perfect leader in this regard. We can blame the dumb n*gger when of course he is just a golf-playing figurehead without much say in running things, he just reads his teleprompter and schedules another round of golf while the man behind the curtain calls the shots.

Since incompetence is *so* rampant these days, I nominate Terry Gilliam's wicked parody "Brazil" as the best and likely most accurate portrayal of the distopian future portrayed in 1984.

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:51 | 5351705 L Bean
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Sure he did, his lesser-read works fairly reek of it - basically everything besides 1984, Animal Farm - the more autobiographical/journalistic works especially. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:32 | 5352928 Village-idiot
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Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:48 | 5351608 Son of Captain Nemo
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What's true in the "capitalist world" is true in the "post-communist world", and everywhere else that the "1%" control the map!

Probably one of the best snapshots of how bad the situation in Ukraine is, and what the causes are and have been for a very long time.  It sounds so refreshingly familiar somehow???...  Especially the part in the first vid where she proclaims much of the post-Soviet era has fostered resentment against the endemic corruption of the oligarchs that took over, but the people still expect that the state will take care of them even after the coup!

Say a prayer for this lady.  She's very intelligent and understands the problems and how they need to be fixed in the future of "Ocenia"!

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 22:49 | 5351609 limacon
Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:12 | 5351633 jack stephan
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I'm lampin in a pos hotel doing a job, everything went wrong.....yeah big surprise this year. Everything broke... Coffee makers, disposals, cars the whole enchilada. This year is the "shit happens year". I even talked to ex heavy cop to sort it out in my head. He said "yeah skip the rest of bs, that's the human condition"

It's frick time, it's on the history channel, batten down the hatches. As mean and vicious as language can make. Confront them they turn pussy. Year of the horse is a Loud pussy with a ton of buffers.

Don't like it then suck my hairy nuts, I hooked it up I put a jonny Unitas crew cut on it hahha good night degree weasels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kwuAqNL66E&sns=em

Suck it, with a special hat on hahah

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:10 | 5351639 zen0
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Orwell originally wanted it to be entitled 1948, but his publisher, an agent of Big Brother, wanted to tone it down a bit.

Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.
Oceania will always be at war with Eurasia.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 00:57 | 5351772 effendi
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How the fuck do you see his publisher as an agent of Big Brother? If he was he would have slowed down editing, send the manuscript back to Orwell for endless rewrites and done everything in his power to sit on it until Orwell succumbed to his illness a few months later (then lock the manuscript away forever down the memory hole, or worse yet the publisher could of had it rewritten to make black as white and Big Brother the hero of the novel).

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:25 | 5352779 The9thDoctor
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His publisher was an ardent anti-communist and anti-fascist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fredric_Warburg

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:10 | 5351643 the grateful un...
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mcluhan said Orwell is a 19th century response to a 2(1)st century problem. we focus on a few things we dont like (invasion of privacy) and ignore the many things that benefit us in our daily lives. in that outcome mcluhan would say the concept of privacy is obsolete, and that the loss of privacy creates new personal space (such as social networking) the defenders of the private information, drivers license, SSN, etc, tend to not notice that drivers licenses and social security cards are not relevant in a world without cars and without jobs. (or with cars that drive themselves, and robots that do our jobs) its always a challenge to live in the present and not in the past, or even be chained to the future which of course never arrives. if you trusted your government would government spying be a problem?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:25 | 5352910 Village-idiot
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And if I don't like the things you speak of?

If I refuse to participate?

Will I be branded as antisocial? A danger to society? Eliminated for the benefit of society because I refuse a vaccination or to have an account on FaceBook?

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:14 | 5351657 jacship
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SMOKE & MIRRORS

obola IS A FAKE

Captain Solyndra kLAIN

Is not back to cure OBOLA,or stop it.

Welcome to Globle Warming REenergizer

"Stimulus Package"   2

He is back to setup the end run for globle warming, which is a huge money laundering scheme moving money from the productive class of America to Democrat donor and the progressive's DNC's pockets.

Aint that right Mr.Po

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 08:44 | 5351995 Atomizer
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Indeed. These imbeciles can't even run a lemonade stand without taxpayers subsidizing. 

Sat, 10/18/2014 - 23:57 | 5351711 52SCSC25
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What if 1984 demonstrates where all intelligent life eventually evolves towards on all life giving planets and we are surrounded in a galaxy populated by lifeforms with their own versions of narcissistic psychopathic kabbalistic messianic jews.

Just a thought!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 00:18 | 5351738 Atomizer
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It's your slave rights imbedded in 500+ cable channels. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 00:04 | 5351714 Atomizer
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Judging by the down votes, Zerohedge is having a Fahrenheit 451 event..discussing 1984 book. 

Libtards are attempting to suppress the truth by another book encouraging book burning. Such a irony. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 03:08 | 5351837 A Dollar Short
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Naw, Zero Hedge will always rock.

It allows truth to be spread!

Your next move should be to Venezuela, Argentina or Cuba.  

 

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 08:32 | 5351986 Atomizer
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Dollar short, day late. I'm a capitalist. Wouldn't blend in well with the countries you mentioned. 

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 17:45 | 5356730 MeelionDollerBogus
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These days a capitalist is more welcome in China, Cuba or Russia than in America.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 04:55 | 5351880 Leraconteur
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Why do you think so many Liberals are tech gadget addicts, with blogs, Apple i Junk, and iPhone addiction?
They realise that when everything is electronic, it's easy for an 8 year old to amend history.

When it is an actual physical book, it is much more difficult and obvious when content has been tampered with.

Another reason why physical, paper and binding books should stay around for ever. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 09:08 | 5352033 Ban KKiller
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You have no idea who really pushes your button, do you? It ain't "liberals", whatever that term means. Hint....Banksters. clear now?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 05:33 | 5351894 bunnyswanson
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They are everywhere.

 

Conversation i had earlier on youtube with:  DTD110865:  No, bitch! Neo-NAZIS run "Veterans Today," Those people are PHONY veterans claiming to be with the US Military to gain sympathy for their fascist cause!  Yes, Neo-Nazi propaganda. ALL OF IT! 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 00:51 | 5351771 David Wooten
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1984 was written in 1948

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 01:52 | 5351808 juujuuuujj
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Orwell and Einstein are socialists with brains - the kind that should have emerged after WW2, but didn't. The original socialists were actually anti-state, very close to anarchism and direct democracy. The central theme of socialism used to be empathy and freedom. Pseudo-socialists turned it into the exact opposite. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 08:36 | 5351990 Atomizer
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You might take the time to read his essays instead of spouting off bullshit. 

Animal Farm and 1984 blew the lid on Marxism. 

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:25 | 5352281 juujuuuujj
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I've read pretty much all of his works (Animal farm isn't an essay by the way). Orwell remained a democratic socialist his entire life. You realize why a democratic socialist would be critical of totalitarian Stalinism, right? 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:49 | 5352834 The9thDoctor
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The problem is most Americans get their definitions of political labels from CNN, MSNBC, Faux News and "conservative" talk radio, or "liberal" blogs.

Most Americans don't know what liberalism means. They don't know what socialism is. They don't know what anarchism is. They don't know what progressivism is. They quite frankly don't know any of these terms.

They never take the time to actually study these movements, and how they evolved over the decades and centuries.

They just repeat and regurgitate talking points.

The word "liberalism" has had its definition turned 135 degrees from its Enlightenment era roots.

Orwell's newspeak is happening now. I cannot have a political discussion with the average joe because of these newspeak definitions.

If I advocate liberalized markets, the average joe thinks I support Hillary Clinton, Obama, or other democrats... not Ron Paul who is a classical liberal.

If I advocate liberal gun laws, they think I support gun control, not knowing that liberal comes from the word libre, as in no restrictions. One is free to own what they want.

Liberalism used to be opposed to state-religion and the divine right of kings. Now liberalism has been reduced to worrying about how hot or cold it is outside.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:56 | 5352230 Emergency Ward
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Ha ha.  Kind of like the motto on the side of police cars To Protect and Serve.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 03:09 | 5351838 viedoklis_lv
Sun, 10/19/2014 - 04:54 | 5351882 viedoklis_lv
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BND: pro-Russian separatists shot down a passenger aircraft

According to the findings of the Federal Intelligence Service appear to have pro-Russian separatists responsible for the crash of the Malaysian passenger plane MH17 mid-July 2014. BND President Schindler is to have the report to the responsible supervisory body.

http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/europa/flug-mh17-bnd-prorussi...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 05:14 | 5351886 viedoklis_lv
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Why there is Zero coverage in ZeroHedge about Putin regime submarine in Sweeden?

https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/523629260398149633

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 07:29 | 5351946 observer007
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#Ebola

Ebola cruise ship ‘in utter panic’ as Mexico and Belize…

Passengers aboard the cruise ship at the centre of an Ebola scare are in a panic after being refused to dock at either Mexico or Belize, with one claiming “it’s like a floating petri dish.”

Latest:

http://tersee.com/#!q=ebola&t=text

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 09:00 | 5352019 Atomizer
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Mrs Atomizer got a good flavor on the History channel last night. She now understands the Rockefeller's, Carnegie family. 

We both agreed that JP Morgan (father) should of killed his son, execution style. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 09:46 | 5352096 Hamm Jamm
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DON'T THINK .......  just DO it !!

 

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yes...  it is just as valueable as everyone elses wordy wisdom ...   good fun to type a well thought out post  ... lol

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:15 | 5352152 Salzburg1756
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Orwell was wrong about a lot of things: he made the Jews the oppressed, not the oppressors. Emmanuel Goldstein is the hero of 1984, the big proponent of Freedom. Bardèche’s vision of the future is much truer than Orwell’s, and his book was written a year earlier than Orwell’s.

Maurice Bardèche’s Nuremberg or the Promised Land is a revisionist classic. . . . That anyone in 1948 could have foreseen so accurately our modern world is to me astounding. Bardèche recognized that the judicial travesty at Nuremberg was not simply an act of vengeance by victors against the vanquished and that what was on trial there was not just the particular German defendants, nor the German nation, nor even National Socialism, but rather nationalism itself: the idea that a people own the land that they have long lived in and have the right to live in it as they wish and to exclude others from living in it if they so wish. It is nationalism in any form which was condemned at Nuremberg.

With amazing prescience Bardèche foresaw in its condemnation the coming of an international system which is first and foremost economic, not political or governmental. Its purpose is to protect an international economic élite, not ordinary persons, or peoples, or nations. It offers the latter lots of rights but no guarantees that these rights will be respected. Its laws are unclear (unlike those of a prince) and broadly unenforceable, but the system does not attempt to enforce them broadly but only selectively. For selected victims punishments are severe. Victims are selected not so much because they have broken laws but because they have offended the “universal conscience,” the conscience created and fostered in us all by the media (Bardèche’s “radio”). Bardèche clearly foresaw the system which we today call “globalism,” although he nowhere uses that term. He also foresaw at least implicitly many other aspects of our world: Third World immigration, the irrational glorification of democracy, loss of sovereignty, humanitarian wars and interference, hate crimes, affirmative action, racial miscegenation and replacement, etc.: “At the bottom of the sanctuary there sits a Negro god. You have all the rights, except to speak evil of the god.” “And, from one end of the world to the other, in perfectly similar cities . . . there will live under similar laws a bastard population, a race of indefinable and gloomy slaves, without genius, without instinct, without voice. . . But this will be the Promised Land.”

In 1949, one year after the publication of Nuremberg or the Promised Land, another prophetic book was published, George Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four. In it Orwell describes a scary future in which there is a single party dictatorship, living conditions are drab, food is scarce, people’s thoughts are openly controlled by Big Brother, their words and actions are monitored through “telescreens” which they cannot turn off, they are given no choice over what they view on these screens, there is only one channel on the “telescreens” and one film (always a war film) in the theatres, in one such film refugees trying to escape are shot to the delight of the audience, some of these refugees are Jewish, “the Enemy of the People” is a Jew, Emmanuel Goldstein, who is condemned for “advocating freedom of speech, freedom of the Press, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought,” people are openly taught to hate him and his followers during “Two Minutes Hate” and “Hate Week,” sex is discouraged through a “Junior Anti-Sex League,” the Inner Party is called the “Inner Party,” thoughtcrime is called “thoughtcrime,” Thought Police are called “Thought Police,” the media propagate obvious, self-contradictory lies such as: “War Is Peace,” “Freedom Is Slavery,” “Ignorance Is Strength,” people are told that democracy is “impossible” (although the Party is said to be its “guardian”), capitalism is viewed as a barbarity that has “vanished.”

The world described in 1984 little resembles that in the Occident today. We live in multi-party democracies. Our mainstream media tell us not only that democracy is possible and a very good thing, but that its triumph everywhere is virtually inevitable, an inevitability which we should make every effort to encourage. Living conditions are generally good, food is abundant. Capitalism is alive and well and is promoted as an economic panacea. Our politicians advocate the same things as does Emmanuel Goldstein. Our media propagate obvious lies such as: “Diversity is our strength,” but they at least avoid flagrant self-contradictions (some kinds of diversity may indeed be a source of strength, although certainly not the radical ethnic diversity that our media promote). Refugees do not flee our societies, but rather risk their lives trying to get into them. We are not taught to hate, but to tolerate. Sex is not generally discouraged, even among the young. With our multi-channel televisions and the internet we are free to see, hear, read, and discuss almost anything, if not everywhere. Freedom reigns. Yet to some that freedom seems, if not illusory, useless. It is useless because people’s thoughts and actions are monitored and controlled not by anything outside themselves but by their own warped consciences, consciences deliberately warped by our mainstream media, consciences closely resembling Bardèche’s “universal conscience.”

Orwell’s and Bardèche’s books have had quite different careers in the Occident. Orwell’s, although formerly banned in the Soviet Union, has been widely read and praised; Bardèche’s is still banned in France and is generally unknown elsewhere. 1984 has served to warn us against the dangers of Communism, and for that deserves acclaim. But one cannot help but wonder if its general acclaim today is not also an index to its irrelevance. We have escaped the dreadful future envisioned by Orwell in 1984. We have not escaped the dreadful future envisioned by Bardèche in 1948.

http://www.lulu.com/shop/maurice-bard%C3%A8che/nuremberg-or-the-promised-land/ebook/product-21666101.html

http://www.lulu.com/shop/maurice-bard%C3%A8che/nuremberg-or-the-promised-land/ebook/product-21214315.html

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/07/maurice-bardeches-vision-of-the-future-part-1/

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/07/maurice-bardeches-vision-of-the-future-part-1/

 

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:54 | 5352353 AynRandFan
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"This 1948 book by a French fascist was the very first to deny the Holocaust."
https://archive.org/details/NurembergOrThePromisedLand

Oh yeah, Maurice was really on the ball.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:25 | 5353218 Monty Burns
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And you complined above about how uninformed kids are.  Have you ever read anything about the Holocau$t that didn't parrot the Prescribed Version?  If you do, as I did even if late in life, your eyes will be opened.  That's why it's a crime to even question it in many countries.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:46 | 5353099 Ginsengbull
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If any Jew ever runs City Hall, you can bet your ass there will be other Jews fighting City Hall.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 17:41 | 5356721 MeelionDollerBogus
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He probably had no way to communicate that non-zionists - including non-zionist Jews, would be oppressed by zionists.

Ask how many refuse to be IDF soldiers, are Jews, and jailed 1 year AUTOMATICALLY and can be REPEATEDLY jailed another year, refusing IDF service, and thus orders to kill children.

They can be sentenced every year until they DIE.

That sounds like harsh oppression of Jews to me - too bad it's the government of Israel doing it!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:56 | 5352242 insanelysane
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My observation is that throughout history only a small percentage of humans are wired to be critical thinkers (cynics).  

Just one small example is the Malaysian jet that went missing.  The sheeple will say that it took off, changed course, ran out of fuel, and crashed somewhere in the ocean.  And that those are the facts.  Cynics would say that the most that is known is that a plane took off and disappeared and most cynics would be trying to verify that the plane actually ever existed.

But why aren't the cynics bred out of the population over time as it seems to be a recessive trait. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:07 | 5352861 Village-idiot
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I'm not so sure cynicism is an inherited trait.

I have always been a cynic but I have become much more cynical as I've gotten older.

I think cynicism can be learned; often it's a sudden awakening due to some crazy incident. It happened to a friend of mine who was really into the "Peace Movement" in Vancouver in the 1980s. A strange incident woke her up one day when she finally saw that it was just a propaganda movement for communism controlled by communists. After that, her eyes were opened to see more of that sort of thing. She is now a cynic.

As far as children are concerned, you can make them start to think cynically by planting little doubts in their minds (exactly what the progressives do) and make them start to think a little deeper about things in general.

I believe this is a healthy thing to teach a child; it makes them less susceptible to social-conditioning in schools and by the media.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:03 | 5352253 windcatcher
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Orwellian society develops under criminal control. What other game plan would a criminal cartel have?

The fallacy of democracy is that the criminals are free to corrupt the democracy. Without strong laws against corruption to protect the democratic society from the criminals, the criminals will corrupt the democratic society into an Orwellian fascist society

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:35 | 5352306 news printer
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Internet trolls face up to two years in jail under new laws

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29678989

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:41 | 5352813 livefreediefree
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Hey, in the course of suppressing the 13 or so Internet Trolls worldwide, supressing the free speech liberties of hundreds of millions of private citizens is collateral damage,

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:11 | 5352410 AynRandFan
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I have lately become aware just how clueless our younger generation is.  Not a day goes by that my kids look at me with a blank look when I mention any one of a large number of historical topics or even contemporary issues. Example: We watched a Daniel Craig movie about Joseph Stalin last night. Who was he, I asked. Duh, a Russian guy?  Others: A college English assignmemt on drugs that are expensive, so the kid was writing how drug companies should not be allowed to charge high prices. "How will they recoup their costs, I asked." Duh.

It really ddoesn't matter what the truth is, because the succeeding generations are completely clueless to everything except video games and the feminized socialistic world they see on TV.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:37 | 5352806 livefreediefree
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They are clueless, but Millenials are very adept at being Compliant; ie, they accept their lot of being Sheeple without complaint.

I still have some hope that the Compliant Generation will realize they've been indoctrinated. However, since it appears our schools have somehow managed to escape having to teach them how to think, who knows how they'll figure out how Complaint they are.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:19 | 5353199 Monty Burns
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Clueless people are much more easily manipulated and controlled.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 20:17 | 5353646 livefreediefree
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The optimal situation for politicians is that all voters be low informational; aka, clueless. Considering how they've transformed the educational system into an indocrination system, where knowledge and learning how to think are evaded, they've just about achieved their goal.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 17:39 | 5356713 MeelionDollerBogus
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It was just over 15 years ago a friend of mine's dad, a kernel, put pictures in front of me to make sure I was able to identify who they were. Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini. Naturally I did know. Try that test on kids the age I was then... who the fuck knows. My parents were born in that era and right in the belly of the war-beast, however, so normally those my age would have much less personal connection.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 00:54 | 5354236 anachronism
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Non-Conformists opposed to Globalism (The New World Order) are ridiculed, marginalized, ostracized; and, if they cannot be contained otherwise, incarcerated or even assassinated.
 
Nationalism will save us, which is precisely why nationalism is being condemned as "neo-Nazi" and "anti-Semitic" at every turn by the 0.01%, who employ the next 19.99 % to enforce their views upon the rest of us. It will take courage and resolve over a long period of time in order to wrest control of our lives -present and future- from the "one percenters".

"Whoever controls the past, controls the future. Whoever controls the present, controls the past."   Orwell was so right about this much at least. Nationalists must endeavor to take control of the present. (The term "Patriots" has been transformed by the globalists to describe those who support the globalist hegemony currently being enforced by the United States, or more precisely, by that elitist clique which controls the United States.)   "Nationalism good; Globalism bad" (Thank you, George Orwell.) The "Sheeple" in America and other English-speaking countries, and in most of Europe as well, have been thoroughly programmed to think that the opposite is true; and have been told that nationalism leads automatically to fascism and anti-Semitism. What it actually means is that nationalists (often referred to as "populists") are politically opposed to those who hold the political and financial interests of non-national or supra-national entities, or of privileged individuals or minor ethnicities, above those of the general populace. And that is the way it should be!     Show more Show less

Nationalism has been ugly in its extremes; but it hasn't always been. Nationalism has been achieved democratically and non-violently, lead by Vladimir Putin in Russia, in Turkey by Erdogan,  in Venezuela by Hugo Chavez, in Bolivia by  Evo Morales. It is on the rise, and may yet be successful through the democratic process, in Italy, Hungary, France, Greece, Britain, and even in Germany and Japan. Why not also in America?
 
Theodore Roosevelt -the most progressive Republican ever- proposed a "New Nationalism" (August 31, 1910 in Osawatomie, Kansas) and ran for President on that platform in 1912. It is generous, free, and considerate of all Americans in its tone, and it is a fair expression of America's ideals - as written in the second and third paragraphs of the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights, and in the speeches of Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy).
 
Bardeche and Orwell foretold the future as it is unfolding before us; and -in their views- they describe the causes of such. Theodore Roosevelt gave us a vision of what the future could and should be: a country that lives by the ideals written into our foundations and expressed by two of our greatest visionary presidents, both of whom were assassinated.
 
There is no time like the present.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 03:17 | 5354349 onmail
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It can be broken with the help of strong cryptography developed by people themselves which changes itself frequently & which would take millions of state-of-art govt. supercomputers to break in 1000 years target.
Wait till the people start to hit back.

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