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The Commodities Trading Cheat-Sheet

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With commodity prices tumbling to 2009 lows, comprehending between the differing risks to Soybeans and Silver or Copper and Cocoa is crucial. Deutsche Bank has created just that 'cheat-sheet' - just how vulnerable is Gold to Ebola? or Silver to China growth?

 

Bloomberg's Commodity index is at 2009 lows...

 

So here's how to differentiate the commodity complex's risks...

 

Charts: Bloomberg and Deutsche Bank

 

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Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:51 | 5353275 ekm1
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In 2009 oil was $35.

It will get there again, soon

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:04 | 5353298 Uber Vandal
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And then Zero when everything grinds to a complete halt if Ebola is truly pandemic for nothing will be moving.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:06 | 5353305 ekm1
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Pay attention to Saudi fear of Iran.

Saudis are out to destroy Iran's economy.

 

Nothing else matters, just my view

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:09 | 5353309 FredFlintstone
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How might Saudi fear of Iran play out?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:12 | 5353314 ekm1
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It is already playing out

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/402343--saudi-arabia-to-pressure-russia-...

Saudis already spreading rumors of oil at $50 targetting Iran

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:38 | 5353385 Keyser
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The Saudis, through their pumping are hurting the US shale industry, the Russians, Iran and the rest of Opec... How long before the House of Saud has sovereignty problems? 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:54 | 5353391 ekm1
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Saudis do nothing without Pentagon approval.

USA will subsidize shale extration for as long as needed

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 19:30 | 5353524 BigJim
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That's true - the Fed can (indirectly) bailout any 'friendly' losers from $50 oil.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 07:18 | 5354460 stoneworker
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That would lead to inflation...lower dollar...higher oil prices? 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:42 | 5353396 TheReplacement
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They need some freedom.  Not the kind brought by US bombing but still, they do need freedom.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 21:54 | 5353915 BigJim
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 It is already playing out

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/402343--saudi-arabia-to-pressure-russia-...

Saudis already spreading rumors of oil at $50 targetting Iran

OK, let's say the Saudis have decided to do this. Can they do it? Obviously, they can sell their own oil for whatever price they desire; but can they sell enough of it to force the price down everywhere? The price is set at the margin in oil as everything else, surely...

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 18:27 | 5356861 h0oS
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LOL, if Oil drops to $50 Iran will be buying...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:11 | 5353310 X.inf.capt
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thats an interesting view..

where does russia figure into this?

not the charts view..

your view...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:14 | 5353317 ekm1
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Already playing out

http://www.aa.com.tr/en/economy/402343--saudi-arabia-to-pressure-russia-...

 

Ancient Persians vs Arabs hate for domination of middle east.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU26zOJ3uEM

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:18 | 5353327 ekm1
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Also, look up the term 'rafida'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafida

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:27 | 5353349 X.inf.capt
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religous war..

so, thats why ISIS is doing so well...

and which nationS are supporting them...

and why..

 

 

 

HES GOOD!

 

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 07:19 | 5354464 stoneworker
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Well if you see some unrest in Bahrain or a revolution is SA you will know)

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:30 | 5353360 Tasty Sandwich
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It might, but it will never stay there - especially if it begins to fuel an economic expansion of sorts.

Doubt gas prices will fall much more after the election.

Also, people without jobs don't have to drive to work.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:38 | 5353388 ekm1
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agree.

Just for a couple of weeks, a couple of months max

Margin call on those holding oil as collateral for derivatives

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:59 | 5353442 Tasty Sandwich
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That price in 2009 was around the time everyone thought the economy was collapsing and the world was basically ending too.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:43 | 5353397 eddiebe
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There are 3 ways I can think of that oil would go to $35.- 

The $ links to gold/silver at current values.

2/3 of the world population gets wiped out

TPTB announce an abundant and nearly cost-less new source of energy.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:54 | 5353429 ekm1
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It was $30 in 2003

It got there in 2009

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:59 | 5353444 Tasty Sandwich
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World (cheap) oil production hadn't peaked in 2003.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 19:00 | 5353448 ekm1
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Nobody knows that.

Maybe only 20 people world wide really know

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 19:12 | 5353484 Tasty Sandwich
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WTI rose to nearly $140/bbl in 2008.

In a depressed economy, it shouldn't still be as high as it is.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 22:02 | 5353920 zhandax
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Check off #3 this week.  This is about as TPTB as it gets...  http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/15/us-lockheed-fusion-idUSKCN0I41...

Rio Tinto bitches?

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:57 | 5353288 TeamDepends
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How vulnerable is gold to ebola? Our money's on silver and orange juice.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:58 | 5353291 techstrategy
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Oil isn't going to $35.  That's as half witted as our half cycle cost analysis is...  Gold is at risk of what from ebola?  Going up? 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:03 | 5353300 Thisson
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This doesn't make sense to me. How can China growth only be a small risk to silver, which is *the* industrial commodity behind copper?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:04 | 5353303 philosophers bone
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Please insert a new column, "Fed / Banker Manipulation" and put an "H" beside the precious?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:06 | 5353308 Seasmoke
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So astrong USD is all that i need to worry about................FIGURES !

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:11 | 5353312 ekm1
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.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:31 | 5353365 Karlus
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If you need a sheet like this and you are investing any real money, god help you.

 

Im not sure why they would produce something like this other then as marketing material for the greenest of green retail investor or grannie.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:33 | 5353367 MollyHacker
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This chart like playing spin. Fun to look at but doesn't reflect the many variables involved:|

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:32 | 5353369 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Zero's.

Break out your cheat sheet when you get the margin call and tell 'em Doucha Bank "TOLD" you that a strong USSA Do-lar was bad for gold!

HA!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:43 | 5353398 teslaberry
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This cheat sheet says go short oil and long soybeans and delta hedge as appropriate. Probably a bad idea.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:43 | 5353400 FlyinHigh
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In 2009, I had a higher paying job !

Oh, wait.... No I didn't.

I still have the same job & same pay scale.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 02:40 | 5354326 TweedleDeeDooDah
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So after the recession(s) without deflation (anomalous), all the bad stuff is still coming at us, we just get to watch the whole thing in slow motion due to everything the Fed, Treasury, and a couple of administrations tried so stupidy to stop.

It would be better to die in a head-on crash than by this "death by 1000 cuts".

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 03:21 | 5354352 CHX
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It's ALL scripted. The CBers from around the world are having tea at the BIS in Basel every 6 weeks or so. Think they just twiddle their thumbs? These Bankers are owned by the big banks, and together they are "the market", out there to milk the 99%. They know the exact inventories of Gold, copper, silver, you name it, they own the futures books, and have printing presses and their HFT algos, PPTs, swap lines etc etc. They have a better grasp of the ifs, hows, whens various variables like Ebola, Ukrain, PM crisis, war etc. impact "the markets" than all of us here together. IT.IS.ALL.SCRIPTED. But that's just my 2 ounces.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 06:58 | 5354450 Last of the Mid...
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The oil drop off from lack of demand was a problem, however TPTB quickly reacted and stabilized Stawks before any serious sell offs could take place. They're so in control gold didn't even blip.

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