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"Ebola Cruise" Returns To Texas After Suspected Healthcare Worker Cleared

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In a tumultuous week for Ebola updates (which are only set to get worse with flu season about to unfold, and where every sneeze and fever will be interpreted by the potential host as an early symptom of the deadly disease, likely choking hospitals and ERs around the nation) Friday brought us one of the more disturbing updates when it was revealed that an Ebola-handling healthcare worker had decided to break the "self-watch" protocol and had gone on a Carnival cruise in the Caribbean.

The mood of the travelers promptly descended from merely depressed and dour to what the Independent described as "utter panic" after both Belize and Mexico refused to let the ship dock.

Hardly helping, yesterday a helicopter landed aboard a cruise ship to pick up a blood sample from a passenger who may have handled fluids from an Ebola patient, ahead of the Carnival Magic’s planned docking at Galveston, Texas, Sunday. Carnival said Texas health officials requested that a sample be taken from the passenger and tested, but that the ship is still scheduled to arrive Sunday morning. The company said of the passenger, who is in quarantine, that “she’s feeling absolutely fine.”

Fast forward to this morning, when after what one assumes was a negative blood test, the Carnival Magic ship carrying the suspect, was cleared to return to port in Galveston, TX this morning. As AP reports, "The unidentified woman who is being monitored disembarked the Carnival Magic with her husband shortly after the ship returned to Galveston, Texas, about 6 a.m. EDT, said Vicky Rey, vice president of guest care for Carnival Cruise Lines. Rey said the couple drove themselves home, but offered no further details.

Actually, it may well be that there was no definitive blood test result because according to AP, "company and federal officials have said the woman being monitored for Ebola poses no risk because she has shown no symptoms and has voluntarily self-quarantined."

So, is it the CDC new "protocol" that self-quarantine and lack of symptoms for a several days is sufficient to pronounce one clear of any disease risk? Inquiring minds want to know. 

Petty Officer Andy Kendrick told The Associated Press that a Coast Guard crew flew in a helicopter Saturday to meet the Carnival Magic and retrieved a blood sample from the woman. He said the blood sample was taken to a state lab in Austin for processing.

 

Kendrick had no further details about how the sample was taken. He said the decision to take the sample was made in coordination with the federal, state and local health authorities.

 

Obama administration officials said the passenger handled a lab specimen from a Liberian man who died from Ebola at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital earlier this month. Officials said the woman poses no risk because she has shown no signs of illness for 19 days and has voluntarily self-quarantined on the cruise ship."

In other news, as CNN reports, also this morning the hospital that has been ground zero for the US Ebola cases, Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, took out a full-page newspaper ad, once again offering an apology.

"We slipped up; we're deeply sorry; we'll do better." That could serve as a summary of the open letter from Texas Health Resources CEO Barclay Berdan in the Sunday editions of the Dallas Morning News and Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

"As an institution, we made mistakes in handling this very difficult challenge," Berdan wrote. The hospital is analyzing the errors and will make changes, he said.

 

Hopefully others will also learn from those mistakes and the first cases of Ebola contagion in the country, and its first death, will also be its last, Berdan wrote.

There is some good news: of the four patients currently being treated, at least two appear to be making a recovery.

But perhaps more importantly, Duncan was admitted to Texas Health Presbyterian on September 28, when he went there the second time. That was the last day the monitored people could have had contact with him. The maximum incubation period for Ebola is 21 days. That period runs out on Monday.

In other words, the deadline for any new Ebola cases that may emerge out of Duncan as the Index patient, ends tomorrow. The question then becomes whether any other potential diseases carriers have managed to make their way onto the US before being isolated.

 

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Sun, 10/19/2014 - 09:58 | 5352117 Infinite QE
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There's a fortune to be made in printing and selling Ebola Gay stickers with the Obama horizon symbol embedded in them.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:06 | 5352132 nopalito
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They're doing everything possible to kill travel and tourism as if their goal were to quarantine the entire global population.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:21 | 5352166 CrazyCooter
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Never assume malice where incompetence will suffice. Keep that in mind and you will sleep a lot better.

If this is a bio-warfare event, it's a very dumb one. IF Ebola gets legs (i.e. it is much more transmissible), then it will become a permanent feature of humanity from here on out. If there is a vaccine, it may or may not be good year after year. Viruses tend to change quite a bit and if its whacking billions of people the odds of mutations are significant.

I think this is simply a black swan but our leadership is incompetent. They are simply concerned about their power and how they are perceived.

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:30 | 5352180 Publicus
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Ebola is long term human population control. It hits pregnancy hard with a 95% death rate.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:32 | 5352183 XqWretch
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This just in: Ebola visits the Super Bowl!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:38 | 5352194 NoDebt
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Mexico and Belize have more common sense than the US, apparently.  Funny how they have no qualms about turning people away, despite how "unfair" it is.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:24 | 5352286 kaiserhoff
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Because Obama!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:22 | 5352632 Richard Chesler
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Brilliant, Ebola themed cruises. Book yours today!

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:55 | 5352717 espirit
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Best to educate yourself.  Link is a good start.

Reevaluate your N95 single use masks.

<fwiw EBV is 0.08 micron>

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21937487

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:47 | 5352962 Vampyroteuthis ...
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My boss is departing on that SAME BOAT today. Looks like my fun is limited to this upcoming week alone.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:59 | 5353294 JamesBond
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I'm so sick of Ebola stories on ZH.  Everytime one shows up it makes me vomit.

 

wait......

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:39 | 5352197 zerozulu
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All the efforts and hard work to make this country isolated from the world. Soon no one will come here and no one will be allowed to leave. and Mission accomplished

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:03 | 5352252 unrulian
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Super Bola?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:33 | 5352300 smokintoad
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Expect a "cease and desist" and possible lawsuit from the N.F.L.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:41 | 5352202 El Vaquero
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Another thing is that as lethal viruses burn through populations, they tend to become less lethal over time.  Population immunity goes up at the same time that less lethal mutations are selected for.  Less lethality means more replication for the virus.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:33 | 5352304 kaiserhoff
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As a general rule that's all true Vaquero, but a genuinely new bug can behave in unexpected ways in a different population, like becoming air born.

If these idiots knew anything about public health, they would be shitting razor blades about now.

How will Ebola effect the ghetto, the heroin-American community, the prison population, nursing homes?  Time will tell, but it looks like a blood bath, literally.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:50 | 5352341 Grosvenor Pkwy
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It's certainly regrettable when people die from disease, but deaths in many of the mentioned groups will not affect the total population growth at all.

Gays, serious drug abusers, prisons, nursing homes, old people? None of these groups are bearing children, and deaths in these groups do not affect population growth. Only deaths of young women and children would change things significantly. Even the deaths of middle-aged people would not have much effect.

Also, children use up a disproportionate share of resources, so killing off old folks and societal outcasts like homeless drug addicts will not reduce resource consumption very much either.

If there really were a nefarious plot to spread disease to reduce the population, I strongly doubt it would work the way the supposed evil planners intend.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:58 | 5352363 kaiserhoff
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Well said.  Predictions will make us all look silly if we let them,

  but based on what we've seen, this will make city life a lot more..., challenging.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:33 | 5352490 El Vaquero
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As a general rule that's all true Vaquero, but a genuinely new bug can behave in unexpected ways in a different population, like becoming air born.

It should also be pointed out that the selection for being less lethal can take a while and a lot of people can die along the way.  The idea that this kind of selection could save you is only valid if you are prepared to stay away from people for months or years.  It doesn't happen overnight. 

 

Another thing to consider is that a mutation or series of mutations that makes it far more contagious, but less lethal could actually result in more deaths worldwide.  If it spreads more easily, but has a 10%-25% mortality rate, your chances of surviving would be greater, but it wouldn't burn out as fast.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:09 | 5352261 Kirk2NCC1701
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Alas, we have some inconvenient facts in your way: So far, the only non - African countries that have Ebola, are the G5. US, Canada, UK, France and Germany.

Even though there are lots of Guest Workers from India in Africa, no cases have been reported in India. As a numbers and stats person, I cannot let my Normalcy Bias discount these facts.

I smell a BigUS RatUS.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:19 | 5352280 Jack Sheet
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"countries that have r e p o r t e d ebola"
subtle difference

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:51 | 5352345 SilverIsKing
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Wasn't there one in Spain? The woman whose dog they executed for just being a canine and that showed no symptoms of Ebola? Excalibur was his name.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:09 | 5352401 Never One Roach
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This might turn out to be the "Cruise of Thier Life" for some of these passehangers.

 

I hope she is negative and nobody caught it down there. Cruises right now are a definite "No Go" for me and mine right now. Too cramped in a tiny space all touching the same utensils for the buffet and so on.

 

How can it NOT spread under these circumstances even if only one person has it?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:11 | 5352408 Whoa Dammit
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Excalibur is an interesting name since we are now seeing modern day Knights roaming around in hazmat armor to "protect" society in an updated version of the plague years of the Middle Ages. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:11 | 5352412 Rock On Roger
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There is no ebola in Canada.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:28 | 5352642 nopalito
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Nor was Canada a member of the G5. The fifth country in that group was Japan.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:18 | 5353190 Pie rre
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I recall that the US introduced hepatitis into a town in Pakistan so that a  health NGO could offer free innoculations to the locals in an effort to discover the whereabouts of Osama Bin Laden even though he had been dead for ten years. Something like that?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:17 | 5352277 MsCreant
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This is exactly where I am with this. I am always open to conspiracy (I read all the theories with an open mind, I could be wrong) but there are too many signs that they are trying desperately to keep up with their "image." If you want to do this right (infect your population), it is too easy to plant this disease in all kinds of places and let it flourish.  

"Endemic to modern life" is the phrase I am using. I actually think we are there. They can get it under control, but there will always be flare ups, kind of like folks with Herpes (which 1 in 4 in the population have, for all you swingers out there). Being prepared is never a bad thing, Ebola or no Ebola. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:38 | 5352318 kaiserhoff
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All I'm sure of Ms., is that we are on a steep learning curve with this monster.

  Gawdhelpus.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:00 | 5352370 El Vaquero
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I'm not convinced that this will become a pandemic, I just acknowledge that it could.  The way our modern world works, if you want to live with the possibility while still getting along, you need trigger points.  You have to be somewhat reactive.  That's not to say that there aren't some proactive things that you can do, as there are some that you should be doing with or without ebola anyway.  The reactive part should be based on triggers that alter your behavior.  IMO, a good first trigger is is we have people getting infected by the people who were infected on US soil.  Start avoiding crowds more.  The next step is when it is clear that the infection rate looks exponential.  At some point, you should start avoiding crowds all together.  If you have 1,000 cases turn into 2,000 in three weeks that turns into 4,000 in another three weeks, your chances of getting it, even in a crowd, (unless all of those cases are localized in your vicinity) are still fairly low, so this is a bit fuzzy.  You'll need to judge for yourself on that.  At some point, if the infection rate gets high enough, bug-in.  Again, I'll leave what counts as high enough up to your own judgment.  You know your own tolerances for risk, so pick your own trigger points on that.  But the point is, if this shows every sign of becoming a true pandemic, minimize all unnecessary contact with strangers.  If you are judicious in how you handle your contact with strangers, you can take the necessary steps to isolate yourself (read: withdraw from society) in ordered, somewhat reversible steps.  If it looks like it is going to become a pandemic, and all you have done is simply avoided crowds, you can return to normal life should you be wrong about the whole pandemic thing.  If you quit your job, that's another story.  You know what you have to lose by taking the steps, which is why I say that you'll have to judge for yourself.  Just make sure you have enough food and water to survive without going to the store for a while.  You know the game. 

 

The final trigger point for those who live in a populated area is when law enforcement starts to break down (or the people who run the power plant not showing up to work, but that's kind of a "duh.")  That is when you should GTFO.  I say law enforcement breaking down is a trigger point because you may have to do things like squatting on private land or squatting illegally on public land to survive.  You may have to kill and butcher somebody's cow to survive.  You may have to do a whole multitude of things that are illegal today to survive, and you do not want to be hampered by an overly zealous bunch of cops. 

 

As I stated in another thread, this doesn't have to tear through half the population to destroy our system.  It only needs to infect enough people to stop others from going to work.  I don't know how many people that is, but I'd bet dollars-to-dogshit that it is a good chunk less than 50% of the population.  Overwhelm our medical system and our JIT delivery system and we're screwed.  A simple sinus infection that could be cured with antibiotics could become lethal without JIT and a medical system.  Without people spraying mosquitoes, mosquito borne diseases will make a comeback.  Without working sewage treatment plants, a whole host of other diseases will become a real possibility unless there is a plan for dealing with the waste.  That doesn't even get into what happens when the grocery store shelves would go bare, and what happens with malnutrition. 

 

The main point is, ebola or no ebola, our system is fragile.  We don't have any plan b for supplying the populace with necessities, which is why what we are doing will be maintained at all costs, even though it is unsustainable.  Globalization sucks.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 09:04 | 5354669 Liberty2012
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"We don't have any plan b for supplying the populace with necessities, which is why what we are doing will be maintained at all costs, even though it is unsustainable."

It's best to have alternatives, isn't it? Diversification.

Which we would have if people hadn't been conned into complacency.

Thank you El Vaquero

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:51 | 5352225 gwar5
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US borders seem to be developing into one-way gates. Nothing required to enter, but you must show your papers to leave. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:01 | 5352375 Withdrawn Sanction
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Kind of like a Roach Motel

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:08 | 5352137 yogibear
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A B29 dropping the Ebola virus on the US with Obama's emblem on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_logo#mediaviewer/File:Obama_logomark.svg

With Obama and his Eboa czar at the controls.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:12 | 5352145 SHEEPFUKKER
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The S.S. Ebola global force for good

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:17 | 5352158 CrazyCooter
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Obama and Ebola Gay! I love it! Let's see ...

(Under Obama's leadership), Our future looks bright!

Forward to our bright future!

What does this button do?

Has anyone seen my football?

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:37 | 5352317 tempo
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The critical mistake was made when Tx hospital decided they would/could care for a terminally ill E. patient. If Duncan would have been transferred to Galvenston medical center which is one of 5 centers that can treat the most serious E. cases then the two nurses would not have been infected and 800 people not now been montitored. Last weeks media panic would not have happened. In the future ER centers will only isolate patients and then the patients will be transferred to 1 of specialized centers if E patient deteriorates.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:01 | 5352585 espirit
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Hospital administrator hubris is unexplainably unmitigated in believing their facilities can contain BSL4 pathogens.

 

Nurses and Doctors alike should be asking the question: 'Is it worth it?'

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:29 | 5352643 ceilidh_trail
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We are...

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:58 | 5352361 Fuku Ben
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Maybe one of the Pastors threatened by the mayor in Houston could go to the next city council meeting in Houston wearing an Ebola Gay t-shirt with the Obama horizon symbol. It would be best if it was a Black Pastor

Bureaucrats don't like the first Amendment because you can tell them they f8cking suck and there's nothing they can do but whine like bitches and terrorize you into giving up your rights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLczS4w7KtI

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:07 | 5352607 mrdenis
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Can I put an order for one with a rainbow?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:10 | 5352868 Flagit
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I'm waiting for the moment the networks try to photo-shop rainbows in place of the projectile vomit to quell fears amongst the populous. Like the clown barfing rainbows from the article a few days ago. It's all good yo!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:04 | 5352127 unrulian
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and Obozo the clown dolls

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:05 | 5352131 q99x2
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Good news now back to work.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:06 | 5352133 jacship
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SMOKE & MIRRORS

Why do you hire

Captain Solyndra kLAIN

He Is not back to cure OBOLA,or stop it.

Welcome to Global Warming REenergizer

"Stimulus Package"   2

He is back to setup the end run for global warming, which is a huge money laundering scheme moving money from the productive class of America to Democrat donor and the progressive's DNC's pockets.

Aint that right Mr.Po

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:49 | 5352223 lakecity55
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klein. his name is klein. a member of the tribe.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:52 | 5352331 kaiserhoff
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Ein kleiner dicklicher Flunder.

(A small, pudgy flounder).

Always remember, a fish stinks from the head.

Hmm. dicklicher..., sometimes translations provide an unexpected layer of truthiness;)

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:07 | 5352134 Xibalba
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If the test results come back positive, they'll give a phone call to passengers.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:11 | 5352143 Catullus
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I'm too lazy to link.

But the Dallas reddit has a post where someone is claiming 13 people at DFW working for Frontier Airlines have been quarantined.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:27 | 5352294 Colonel Walter ...
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"Cat," too lazy or too weak to link?

Weakness is an early sign of Ebola and I suggest you self quarantine...you know... for the sake of all the rest of us!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:57 | 5352359 SilverIsKing
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Too lazy to link but not too lazy to post. Make sense?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:14 | 5352149 Seize Mars
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LOL

LO fuckin' L.

Jesus these guys can't even do a fake pandemic right. Clipboard man. Gene Rosen. That broad who was a TV witness at Sandy Hoax and Boston Marathon.

LOL you idiots.

How much of this can you take - before you snap?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTQvF5tzw_o

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:14 | 5352151 Handful of Dust
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<< the blood is being taken to a state lab in Austin for processing >>

 

So when do we starting seeing Ebola cases pop up in Austin?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:15 | 5352153 BiteMeBO
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I told my wife she might have Ebola and needs to stay home and cook for 3+ weeks while I go out.  

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:26 | 5352293 Budd aka Sidewinder
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This gem requires wayyy more than one measly up arrow

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:16 | 5352156 cherry picker
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I am sick and tired of all these people scaring the pants off whole populations based on bullshit and 'models' on algorithms which anyone can put together but have no factual basis.

I hate the term Czar and what it represents.  It denotes anything but democratic, but then Emperor Obama and the misfit crew in DC enjoy the pomp and prestige and money associated with that stuff.

It takes the mindset of a lawyer to confuse people with a willing media and cut and paste journalists to back them up.

Ebola is deadly for those who catch it, so is a bullet.

How many catch either?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:25 | 5352175 CrazyCooter
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I like the bullet parallel!

Transmissibility is the million dollar question really. I don't think anyone really knows for sure. This has definitely gone farther and wider than previous outbreaks, so that shouldn't be ignored. I think the slums in Africa are going to burn out in apocalyptic fashion due to lack of even basic sanitation. How this spreads in the US and Europe might be very different.

Regards,

Cooter

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:16 | 5352161 Peter Pan
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Woman to her husband: You told me that you would spend the rest of your life making me happy. What happened?

Husband: I didn't think you'd live so long.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:19 | 5352163 effendi
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Is 21 days the true limit? Other research suggests that this can vary and may be 42 days (or more).

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:39 | 5352319 Kirk2NCC1701
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The incubation period has a skewed distribution that peaks at about 6 days.

Which is the really scary part, because this helps it spread much faster if undetected.

As long as there are only a few cases and the incubation is 'long' (14-21 days), you can track the vectors.

When the case loads exceed your bandwidth, a short period makes it spread like wild fire.

Hedge and plan accordingly.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:18 | 5352164 Hamm Jamm
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O c'mon people...    a cruise ship is like, ebola in sloooooooooow motion

Take a damn plane !!  and speed this up abit

 

 

any chance we can get some more BARFing ebola people on the pentagons lawn...    that was a good fun article ...      ask yourself, was it the right thing to do ????

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:35 | 5352190 NoDebt
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Why anybody would get on one of those things is beyond me.  If you get sick or die on one, you should get an automatic nomination for a Darwin Award.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:45 | 5352213 general ambivalent
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Yeah, cruise ships are basically just a big FEMA coffin with a happy face stamped over the logo.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:32 | 5352302 Budd aka Sidewinder
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If you were to try and figure the best way to infect 1200 people on a very short timeline a Carnival Cruise ship would be ideal.  My daughter just took one out of Galveston....said it was shoulder to shoulder with people partying their asses off.  Multiple pools filled with human waste at high temps.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:04 | 5352382 SilverIsKing
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Just need to pour some Clorox in the pool and they'll be Ebola free.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:52 | 5352550 edotabin
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They must still wash their hands when they exit the pool.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:47 | 5352695 Things that go bump
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There were over 4,000 people on that cruise. I imagine none of them feel particularly friendly towards this lab supervisor. I suspect Monday morning many, if not all of them will be demanding their money back and visiting attorneys. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:48 | 5352218 zerozulu
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Cruise ship was the best bet but proved dud.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:20 | 5352167 LastAgeRN
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This is the strange part: US news outlets report this healthcare worker had no symptoms. BUT, when you click on links to the news outlets from Belize, they keep reporting that this person HAD EBOLA SYMPTOMS. One article said something about the Belize Ministry of Health confirmed this persom was symptomatic. Someone is not getting their facts right.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:08 | 5352395 Kirk2NCC1701
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Remain Calm. Do Not Panic.

Must not let Sheeple get panicked.

That would be bad for the Ponzi Overlords. Er, I mean it would be bad for "National Interests".

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:49 | 5352544 a common man
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Belieze New show, Judge for yourself.

http://edition.channel5belize.com/

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:30 | 5352923 lotsoffun
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i have to love their intelligent concern for THEIR country, culture and community.

our president - and his handlers only want cheap labor and don't care what happens to the current expensive labor, or the new cheap labor.  lot's of bodies to be found, push the old one aside.

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:21 | 5352170 IridiumRebel
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i think there are more cases, such as Nina Pham's boyfriend and Duncan family members, that are being silenced and not released due to HIPPA rules. Nina Pham and Vinson were released due to others having knowledge and possibly "outing" them. Especially with Vinson, they had to contact all of those passengers so there was no way to avoid public knowledge. 

After the elections, I see this ramping up as I believe that cat will be out of the bag and there will be no reason to suppress as they use it to tamp down on liberty and not let a good crisis go to waste. The shear arrogance of those in charge will lead to this becoming out of control.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:33 | 5352186 gwar5
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A friend in TX said to me there is a strong rumor that there are about 40 people with Ebola in a facility in a small town North of Dallas. I disregarded it as pure fantasy until I remembered the HHS Sec. said, "There probably are more cases." 

 

Might have to wait and see until after the elections to see what damage has been done.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:48 | 5352199 IridiumRebel
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If it has spread to 40 ppl, we have hit the exponential portion of this here in America. At that point it is basically on and all this conspiracy theory shit will becoming true. 

 

http://www.youngcons.com/breaking-horrible-news-for-the-boyfriend-of-the...

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/report-patient-3-suspected-in-dall...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3216240/posts

http://prepperchimp.com/2014/10/14/texas-town-quarantined-after-family-o...

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:49 | 5352222 general ambivalent
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And if not true it will return once that 10,000 a week infection rate hits.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:16 | 5352272 aka_ces
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If there were 40 such people, do you really think that all their family, friends, and acquaintences would remain mum to the press and social media ? 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:01 | 5352369 MsCreant
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This point you are making is why so many of these conspiracy theories don't work for me. Too many people to get to cooperate or make them "disappear."

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:00 | 5352567 aka_ces
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Yes, I'm much more concerned about things like grocery store visits by people inside a 21-day watch, or even after, clearly infected.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:14 | 5353184 phaedrus1952
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Ms., you are aware of my propensity to be receptive to "unorthodox/off-the-radar information.

Seriously, please Google (my friend) 'Purdon Texas Ebola' and let us know your thoughts. Thankee.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 20:41 | 5353699 MsCreant
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This place, kind of like the Onion, is running the story. If you poke around you start to see the humorous stuff: Obama nominating Dr. Oz for surgeon general, etc.

http://nationalreport.net/purdon-texas-ebola-quarantine-update/

Found this claiming it is a hoax. There is a reporter named Ashley Downes-Cox...

http://ktemnews.com/no-purdon-texas-has-not-been-quarantined-because-of-...

Would be a great way to hide a story, by burrying it in a gag site and claim it is fake. 

Let's see what happens, but folks really get off on spoofing. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:55 | 5352351 Kirk2NCC1701
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A "strong rumor" is still only a rumor.

There's a fine line between a news-flash and spreading manure, even if Texas Manure.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:48 | 5352217 El Vaquero
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If you want to look at it in a glass half full sorta way, if enough fear is generated, the people who will be charged with tamping down on liberties will be scared shitless too.  It's one thing to go in and crack some heads.  It's quite another if those heads may have a deadly microscopic virus that can kill your ass.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:52 | 5352228 IridiumRebel
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You know, as much as people think that the feds can just swoop in and take all of us who show dissent away, I believe that many folks will show hard resistance and that it is a fantasy that they can just do a clean sweep. Goat fuckers have beaten back some of our best and people who are, in their minds at least, defending their homes and family can put up one helluva resistance. It's a logistical nightmare and the psyop push that TPTB would be so effective in such efforts is incorrect. I see the country being more shutdown and sections shutoff istead of a mass roundup.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:44 | 5352333 Kirk2NCC1701
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And you'd get far less sympathy and support from others, if they label it Ebola cases, rather than Libertarian Roundup. Diabolically clever.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:45 | 5352514 Tall Tom
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Aren't the Libertarians the virus in the Political System?

 

Our views are rather infectious after all as we promote Freedom and Liberty. People tend to like that and they really just tolerate the IRS, DHS, and the US Government as the nuisannce that it is.

 

Look at the approval ratings for Congress and Government as an example of the lack of support for the current political system. People want to be rid of that but are generally clueless that there just might be another way. They are clueless on how to affect that change.

 

We are infectious in that sense as our ideals are subversive to the Authoritarian System.

 

They must act to contain us at some point as the infection will overwhelm them. We are a Communicalbe Disease in a sense...a disease to the system.

 

They use antibodies, even here on ZH, to attempt to control the spread of the infection. That is actually what a troll is...an antibody to our message.

 

It reminds me of that Star Trek Episode where the Enterprise is the virus that is used to kill a Huge Living Cell...Remember that one Kirk?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:09 | 5352404 Withdrawn Sanction
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HIPPA regulations have pages of exceptions in cases of public health/communicable diseases.  If the medical/govt people are using this excuse, it's a canard.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:28 | 5352179 gwar5
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No health care worker is going to want to treat any Ebola patient if you have to go through all this, not to mention the big personal risk of getting it yourself. And the Presby Hospital in Dallas is a ghost hospital now, because people are scared, and their reputation ruined. All because Duncan lied to come to the US for free treatment and Obama wants them to.

 

 

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:06 | 5352284 smokintoad
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Has the "abundance of caution" come too late to prevent the "plethora of panic"?   CDC updating their health worker protocols yet again.  Oct 15 it said

All persons entering the patient room should wear at least:

  • Gloves
  • Gown (fluid resistant or impermeable)
  • Eye protection (goggles or face shield)
  • Facemask
Right now on the morning of Oct 19 it says

Personal Protective Equipment (PPE)                PPE Recommendations are forthcoming

I imagine it will soon say something new.

I wish I had been saving screenshots of the frequent CDC page updates over the last couple of months.  At the bottom of CDC pages they list the date it was last updated.  I'm surprised they haven't stopped doing that, it shows that they are really making up policy and protocols as they go.

 

Funny coincidence, I googled "plethora" to make sure I was using it correctly.  Inadvertently learned the medical definition of the word. 

  1. 2. Medicine an excess of a bodily fluid, particularly blood.

EDIT:  I motivated my lazy ass to chase down the archived screenshots.  That web page has been changed 57 times since Aug. 2 and 31 times in October alone.  Maybe they needed a lawyer / political hack for the post of Ebola Czar because they view information control as more important than disease control. Maybe the term Zampolit would be more appropriate than Czar.

EDIT #2: Looks like these screenshots are not all changes in the website.  I'm going back to bed and hoping I can sleep off the stupidity.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infection-...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:01 | 5352374 Kirk2NCC1701
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And how ironic and interesting that the first case of Ebola (from regular air travel) occurs in Dallas, and not in DC, NY, LA or Chicago.

"Fascinating", as Spock might say.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:36 | 5352191 Infinite QE
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Crop dusting, bitches.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:44 | 5352208 yogibear
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Ebola salad served to the banksters.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:37 | 5352193 observer007
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#Ebola

 

Ebola now threatens the whole world

The latest outbreak of the lethal disease is very different - worse still, it could mutate into something even more deadly, says Tim Butcher, who knows the infected area well

latest:

http://tersee.com/#!q=ebola+mutate&t=text

 

 

 

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:39 | 5352195 slaughterer
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No cruise ship fun for you, taxpayer suckers!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:21 | 5352434 Things that go bump
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No cruise fun for us, but I suspect we will be picking up the bill for all of those ruined vacations, and I think after the passengers found out someone on the cruise had been possibly exposed they drank a lot. Our bar tab is going to be enormous.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:39 | 5352196 general ambivalent
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Do not kiss a banker.

You may not be able to see the blood, but it is there.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:45 | 5352210 lakecity55
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"mr pResident, we can only nuke Texas to be sure...."
"Proceed, Mimion."

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:49 | 5352214 buzzsaw99
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Belize and Mexico are smart to close their borders. The USA wouldn't help stop jack shit and they know it.

http://dungheap.wordpress.com/2014/10/19/no-quarantine/

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:53 | 5352234 lakecity55
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Hello, I am your communist nigger pResident and I am here to Kill You, honkie!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:22 | 5352439 Laddie
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Your anger is HEALTHY, however one must remember Obongo is only the front man, the public face, it is his handlers that are to blame.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 10:54 | 5352239 mendolover
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Could 'Ebola' possbily be TB?  And if it is that would mean that it would be WAY airborne.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/10/16/325940/

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:25 | 5352290 Sizzurp
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Hope she enjoyed her cruise.  I'm sure that's a boatload of pissed off folks.  You couldn't pay me enough to get on one of those cruise ships.  What a nightmare.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:35 | 5352313 MedPro
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What astounds me is that someone was willing to volunteer that information .
"Yes I worked directly with Ebola + specimens from the now deceased patient" . Really ? On a cruise ship no less ? How stupid can you be?

It makes little sense unless this was done deliberately to cause more confusion & hysteria .

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:21 | 5352432 Withdrawn Sanction
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I think it was CDC who contacted Carnival and then the stuff ran downhill from there

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:25 | 5352292 MedPro
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All these false alarms are giving the populace a sense of false security, after artificially elevating their sense of fear to begin with. In a 'see, we told you so' moment, the population breathes a collective sigh of relief , eventually numbed out & complacent towards the threat .

I believe there is a reason we have a lawyer as our new Ebola Czar, perhaps to threaten with legal action any facilities with confirmed positive cases to remain silent under the guise of HIPAA .
I highly doubt there are no more positive cases , as we've heard nothing about the initial points of contact of Mr. Duncan . A suspicious silence .

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:32 | 5352301 homiegot
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First there were the Diarhea Cruises, now Ebola Cruises. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:50 | 5352340 MedPro
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The norovirus which is endemic in cruise ships has also crippled hospitals.
I've worked in facilities that quarantined whole units as that virus in particular spreads like wildfire . Based on the nature & spread of such viruses as the norovirus , among patients & healthcare workers alike, as well as the steady distribution of C DIFF / MRSA/ VRE infections , I am somewhat doubtful we are dealing Ebola here in its truest form . Perhaps a modified or patented version ..

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 11:52 | 5352344 jonjon831983
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Carnival Cruise company is on the news way too many times.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:17 | 5352422 Kirk2NCC1701
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Meaning: Someone is targeting them for a cheap buyout or takeover. Globalist business predators know no boundaries.

Sabotage plus slander are far cheaper than paying hundreds of millions or billions more.

Now lemme think who in the global community is good at deception, sabotage and slander. Hmmm...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:05 | 5352387 Fuku Ben
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I'm still calling bullshit on the whole thing

http://www.sifma.org/services/bcp/fema-pandemic-exercise-series/

It's probably being used to see how fast and furiously they can whip up fear and panic, strip your rights (Connecticut,Texas), cause distractions from troop deployments in Africa, direct attacks on Syria, and redirect the masses away from the daily announcements of decoupling from the dollar by countries around the world

Oh and almost forgot you have upcoming elections where team Blue is expected to get their ass handed to them. So a fake pandemic just before it could serve various purposes

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:14 | 5352416 Laddie
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There is NO reliable data suggesting there is a magical "21 day" ebola period, some now say 45 days. This government CREATED crisis has yet to fully unfold, GOD SAVE US!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 12:51 | 5352546 dot_bust
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But, hey, the whole cruise ship thing kept the public occupied with fear for a while. So, it seems to have served Obama's purpose.

If this whole thing were a movie preview, it would have the following voice over: "From the people who brought you the BP oil spill hoax, Sandy Hoax, and the Boston Marathon Bombing Hoax comes a brand new fabrication -- Ebola USA. It's just as ridiculous and implausible as the movie, Red Dawn, but the public will be gullible enough to believe it. Better yet, government trolls will prowl the message boards, spreading fear and panic through carefully-worded disinformation. And when this hoax has run its course, there will probably be a new hoax that will spread fear and panic and convince the public to give up more of their rights."

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:19 | 5352630 fishwharf
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Yes, catching a nasty bug on one of those floating sweat shop/petri dishes is one reason I will never go on a cruise ship, but the main reason is that they are inherently unsafe. All Carnival ships, and most other modern cruise ships are extremely top heavy.  Once they flop over on their side there is not enough ballast or righting moment to bring them back upright.  At most the ships have 45' below the waterline and some have over 100' above the waterline.  As long as they stay in calm seas, maintain power, have a competent crew and don't have any nasty surprises such as uncharted rocks or rogue waves they are okay.  Of course, shit happens, as was the case with the Costa Concordia.  The loss of life would have been much greater had the wind not blown the ship back to shore.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/incoming/article440480.ece/ALTERNATES/gal...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:03 | 5352733 MedicalQuack
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Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas now becoming a ghost town.  We don't have to go in to why but they have a lot of empty beds so the administrators will have to do something more than just hire a PR firm.  Empty beds is a big element with day to day hospital revenue and there's been unofficial meetings to where the admins lean on doctors to find some additional resons to admit patients too when they need the money.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/10/texas-health-presbyterian-hospita...

A few years ago the TMA documented this with a hospital firing the ER doctor group, as they wanted them to cheat and they wouldn't so they fired them. You might think some of this could be taking place when not under the microscope currently.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2009/04/hospital-admissions-are-down-er-d...

 

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:57 | 5352848 Last of the Mid...
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Don't blame Mexico and Beliza, hell they're the ones acting with a little common sense. Painfully obvious a gay black man has no business in the white house. He just cannot perform as an adult with critical thinking skills on the world stage.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:18 | 5353017 AynRandFan
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"Male survivors may be able to transmit the disease via semen for nearly two months." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease So, just because you survive, doesn't mean you can't spread the disease. More fun.

"The time between exposure to the virus and the development of symptoms of the disease is usually 2 to 21 days.[1][9] Estimates based on mathematical models predict that around 5% of cases may take greater than 21 days to develop.  Id.

So, monitoring for 21 days is good 95% of the time.  Good enough!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:43 | 5353254 NoWayJose
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Front page of my Sunday paper was Obama telling the US not to give into hysteria - even though Dallas shut down a train and bus station yesterday due to a sick woman. Inside the lead editorial was from Dallas - urging the city to take the Ebola threat more seriously!

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 01:24 | 5354261 yepyep
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very disapointing seeing zh buy into this latest government scam/hoax. have a look at the ebola is real propaganda campaign running in africa atm, its a scam "folks"

 

 

 

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