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Prepare For GDP Downgrades: Eurasian Snow Flashes Polar Vortex 2.0 Warning

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Just when you thought it was safe to believe in escape velocity GDP growth for the US economy... the weather ruins the party. As Bloomberg reports, the snow in Siberia is piling up, and if it keeps coming, people in New York may have to bundle up this winter as theory suggests that the amount of snow covering Eurasia in October is an indication of how much icy air will sweep down from the Arctic in December and January, pouring over parts of North America. "It's still early in the game," says one forecaster, but warns "the snow has gotten off to an incredible start." Polar Vortex 2.0 here we come... and down goes US GDP...

 

As Bloomberg reports,

Last year, the snow level across Eurasia was the fourth highest for the month in records going back to 1967. In January, frigid temperatures dubbed “the polar vortex” slid out of the Arctic to freeze large portions of the U.S.

 

It was a pattern that repeated itself during the Northern Hemisphere winter and helped make the first three months of this year the coldest in the 48 contiguous states since 1985, according to the National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, North Carolina.

With the snow now piling up across Eurasia, will this winter be a grim reminder of last year’s?

“It’s still early in the game,” said Judah Cohen, director of seasonal forecasting at Atmospheric and Environmental Research in Lexington, Massachusetts, a division of Verisk Climate.

 

While “the snow has gotten off to an incredible start,” Cohen said he needs to see how much covers the area through the entire month before he can make an accurate forecast. The National Science Foundation has sponsored his research into the link between Eurasian snowcover and the severity of the Northern Hemisphere’s winter.

According to Cohen’s research, there is a link between the snowcover and how much cold spills out of the Arctic and where it ends up once it escapes.

A big piece of this depends on the North Atlantic Oscillation, or NAO, which is a pressure differential across the basin. When it’s in its negative phase, cold air can be bottled up across the eastern U.S., and that can also mean more snow both there and in Western Europe.

 

 

 

 

A good indication of what the negative phase of the NAO can do was the winter of 2009-2010, when 56.1 inches (142.5 centimeters) of snow fell in Washington and the “Snowmageddon” storm halted travel in the U.S. Northeast.

 

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Cohen said we need to wait a few weeks before he’ll predict what the NAO will do.

 

“Our research has shown that you need all 31 days” of October, Cohen said.

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So it would appear that The Fed needs to print some more warm weather for Eurasia... or else!

 

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Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:23 | 5352634 TeamDepends
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But, but global warming??!?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:28 | 5352644 Richard Chesler
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The progressive term is anthropomorphic climate change.

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:36 | 5352655 Latina Lover
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CNBS Reports:

Global warming was a Putin Plot to trick the world into buying air conditioners instead of heaters. Anything that goes wrong in the USSA's world is Putins fault.

We will experience the Cold War II, Russian style, LOL. Did you really think that Al Gore was working for the USSA? Everyone knew he a was a double agent, with a boyfriend hiding in St. Petersburg.

Once the Russians turn on their polar vortex weather machine,  the northern hemisphere will freeze, forcing more of the Europeans and world to buy their natural gas and Oil.

It will be fun to watch the Ukies freeze their butts. I am sure that the EU will ship them lots of free energy, starting with Polish Coal, ROTFL

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:42 | 5352678 Latina Lover
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All jokes aside, the Russian scientists are predicting that we are entering a cooling period due in part to the Maunder Minimum:

 

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/04/29/russian-scientists-say-period-of-g...

 

So are the German Scientists:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/05/report-scientists-predict-a-century-of...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:46 | 5352694 BlindMonkey
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That can't be right. Gore is still bleating about some kind of global fire pit or something.

You sure your reading those articles correctly?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:55 | 5352715 Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is never forget Lysenko and Michurin, Soviet scientist who is direct cause for million of dead Ukrainian through holidor technique:

Wikipedia article is Lysenkoism

You are cannot trust of Russia Scientist!

But still, is more trust of worth than is Al "small chicken" Gore. Oh no! Sky is fall, quick, you are give Mr. Gore money for private jet and sprawling villa!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:21 | 5352768 Withdrawn Sanction
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Good point, Boris.

We (the govt) messed up, therefore, send money.  We (the govt) messed up, therefore surrender your rights, which we (the govt) are set up to protect not abbrogate, but never mind that part.

To protect you from us (the govt), you (the citizens) need to give up your resources and rights because...well, because we (the govt) need them and you dont.  After all our (the govt's) preservation is more important than yours.

This is essence of power:  it grows until it consumes its power source and thus destroys itself.  Like all psychopathies, it is ultimately contradictory and thus self-destructive.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:29 | 5352786 ParkAveFlasher
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Actually, we are in the middle of an Ice Age.  Sort of a little sojourn into non-glaciation right now but still, I hope you picked a Neanderthalish wife to bear your children.  Your descendants will need antifreeze in their bloodstreams unless you follow Simon Black down to the warmer latitudes.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:27 | 5352917 Anusocracy
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Never trust a government scientist.

For all the others, ask who they work for.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:19 | 5353332 Hobo Sapien
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^ this.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:32 | 5352930 SAT 800
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Dear Boris; Russian Scientist is not Soviet Scientist. Soviet Scientist lived under completely controlled system where central authority decides what's "politically correct answer"; nowadays is okay for russian scientist to publish actual research result. Big Difference.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:15 | 5353016 Atomizer
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Always enjoy your posts Boris.

We both collectively attract Zerohedge liberal hate mail. Keep up the good work. Barbara Streisand will have to sell off her entire net worth to save the DNC election. 

/ sarc 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:07 | 5352744 ShrNfr
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If you go back in history, there is much more to support the "solar theory" of warm/cold climate than there is the "CO2 theory". The cold spells in 1908 and 1973 corresponded to low solar magnetic activity.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:30 | 5352790 tc06rtw
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The  INSOLUBLE  problem is when the population can't accept what is true, they  HAVE TO  embrace beliefs which they find acceptable/believable/reassuring.

Savvy people are continually astonished at people's foolishness — it's not astonishing,  that's  the nature of the beast.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:05 | 5352858 Possible Impact
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An Insoluble problem

can precipitate a disaster,

when the truth settles out!

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:38 | 5352937 SAT 800
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It's much, much worse than that. the "CO2 theory" is impossible; it's easy to understand that it's impossible; it's always been impossible and it will remain impossible. What the UN hired flacks in their litttle University they bought in northern England have been trying to demonstrate is correlation; which they are willing to call proof. this is not science. it never was. and they cannot even show any correlation; not that it would matter if they could. Real Physicists use "Environmental Science" as a joke inside phrase. There aren't any environmental scientists. It's an oxymoron, like military intelligence.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:26 | 5352782 mrdenis
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My magic 8 ball calls for a warm and sunny winter ....dress accordingly 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:29 | 5352649 tahoebumsmith
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Yeah from one side of their mouth they blame the fall in GDP to the cold weather and from the other side they blame evrything else on Global warming...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:37 | 5352671 sun tzu
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Buy some carbon credits from Goldman Sachs and they won't blame you anymore

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:48 | 5352700 BlindMonkey
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Carbon Credits. The 21st century indulgences. Your guilt is washed away as if by magic.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:39 | 5352946 SAT 800
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+1000 for that. that's what they're banking on; white guilt.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:46 | 5352696 garypaul
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but but, the cold weather is caused by the global warming you see. How the fuck anyone can believe that bullshit is beyond me.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:31 | 5352653 bloostar
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That's so last week, it's climate amendment, sorry change

/end sarc

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:32 | 5352656 angel_of_joy
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The "Global Warming" ride has been suspended for lack of interest. Please enjoy the other available attractions...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:41 | 5352680 Kirk2NCC1701
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They "need all 31 days in October" to tell whether?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:49 | 5352703 Winston Churchill
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Whether the weather will wither.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:05 | 5352859 ParkAveFlasher
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Whilst wondering whether the weather will wither, we will wallow willingly.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:17 | 5352884 Five8Charlie
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Whatever, worry-wart.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:42 | 5352683 Eyeroller
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Pesky global warming, no wait, global cooling.... er... climate change, no, climate disruption.

Whatever it's called, it's settled science, and any evidence to the contrary is only by junk scientists paid by evil corporations.

Anyone expressing an opinion against it is to be labeled a "denier" (a la Holocaust Denier).

Now STFU and pay your carbon tax.

And stop complaining about the Hollywood/Liberal elites who get a pass for their private jet travel.

(And don't ask what the high/low temperatures will be one year from today because we only do Doomsday predictions 50-100 years out)

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:38 | 5353077 silverliberty
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The ever changing name or theme of global warming is an indicator of just how settled the science is.  I guess?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:33 | 5353063 Village-idiot
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Al Gore is really going deep into damage-control mode now.

He'll probably still be pushing "Global-Warming" as the one mile high glacier passes over his home.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:27 | 5352641 Oliver Jones
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Putin is, I'm sure, rubbing his hands and cackling with glee.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:30 | 5352647 general ambivalent
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Winter is coming!

And Soros has promoted you to the Night's Watch.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:49 | 5352701 BlindMonkey
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It's news now when it snows in Siberia?

Really?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:31 | 5353054 Village-idiot
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Odds are, it'll snow here in Canada this winter.

Now that's news!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:48 | 5353411 dr kill
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I'm thinking the Night's Watch isn't so bad if they throw in unlimited skinny redheaded girls and  warm cave baths. It would certainly beat golfing with Teh Preezy or being a cop in Fergusthan.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:51 | 5353416 dr kill
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And furs. Lots of furs. Capes, coats rugs and washcloths. And fur pie too.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:34 | 5352658 russwinter
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This is an exact repeat of the "Polar Vortex" of the winter of 2013/2014. The Baja Haarp transmitter (and big Alaska transmitter) are creating a stationary, high pressure in the jetstream, 1,000 miles west of California. This STOPS all rain from reaching California and Oregon. The stationary high pressure drives the jetstream up into Alaska, and British Columbia, and drags cold air into the central US. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITXLmBHNi5c&list=UUp7xAgrKhcVKEztY_gjlLV...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:43 | 5352689 LawsofPhysics
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your idiocracy aside, I hope we repeat the conditions of the spring 2014.  I have never seen a nectar flow that large.  According to an older beekeeper, neither has he.

 

Bring it.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:11 | 5352749 viahj
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if one was so inclined, they could argue that the Pacific high pressure that starves the US west of rain also keeps the Fukushima fallout away as well.  that of course, would imply TPTB are actually protecting people.  i am not so inclined.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:05 | 5352738 socalbeach
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FYI.

Frigid Polar Vortex Unlikely to Repeat This Winter (October 16, 2014)

'The El Nino that has been struggling to form for the past six months has yet to fully emerge, and when it does, it is expected to be only a weak event. The winter impacts associated with weak El Ninos are less clear-cut than those associated with strong events.

But, with the information they have, the winter outlook “does favor above-average precipitation across the entire southern tier of the nation,” from Southern California to Florida and up the Eastern Seaboard, Halpert said.'

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:37 | 5352670 wmbz
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Damn, winter just keeps coming year after year after year. AlGore sez we are going the burn up. The oceans will rise and drown whoever didn't burn to death.

It's so confusing all this weather stuff!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:41 | 5352682 sun tzu
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Fat Albert says if we pay him and his Wall Street buddies a few trillion$ each year they will make everything ok and no more hurricanes, droughts, floods, blizzards, ice, tornados. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:39 | 5352677 Uber Vandal
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From the horse's something or other:

http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/steo/

Natural gas working inventories on September 26 totaled 3.10 trillion cubic feet (Tcf), 0.37 Tcf (11%) below the level at the same time a year ago and 0.40 Tcf (11%) below the previous five-year average (2009-13). Projected natural gas working inventories reach 3.53 Tcf at the end of October, 0.28 Tcf below the level at the same time last year. Despite the lower stocks at the start of this winter's heating season, EIA expects the Henry Hub natural gas spot price to $4.00/million British thermal units (MMBtu) this winter compared with $4.53/MMBtu last winter. This price forecast reflects both lower expected heating demand and significantly higher natural gas production this winter.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:42 | 5352684 Jack Burton
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" there is a link between the snowcover and how much cold spills out of the Arctic and where it ends up once it escapes."

True enough, based on past records. But this was before the warming arctic caused the Jet Stream to become unstuck and evolve into the out of control wavy jet stream of recent couple years. So "
"A particularly wavy jet stream is what is causing the so-called “polar vortex,” or cold air from the Arctic, to travel down to the United States,"  That being the scientific judgement of last years Polar Vortex. The heat driving up from a warm Pacific Ocean flooded up over the artic and pushed the cold air out, and this landed due south over the US North East. In particular, right over my head.

So, do not put too much stock in past patterns, when the new Jet Stream system has only been in place for a couple years. The past is not the same indicator as before the recent polar warming.

For now, we must wait for a clearer picture. But I do remember that in the 80-90's, the Siberian snow indicator was a very predictive. But is it still??? The Jet Stream of today, is NOT the jet stream of the 80-90's, it is far different, with huge waves and a much slower speed.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:11 | 5352774 GooseShtepping Moron
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Almost correct Jack, but please allow me to make one amendment.

It's true that you need a lot of Rossby undulation in the mid-latitude jet stream in order to develop what is technically called a polar vortex. When a large blocking ridge of high pressure penetrates far to the north, it interferes with the normal (westerly) progression of the polar jet, causing it to stop and perhaps even reverse. This then allows the skirt of cold arctic air to drift down to the south instead of winding up tight over the pole.

But those blocking highs are caused by La Nina conditions, hence cooler Pacific sea surface temperatures; and even though the predicted El Nino of 2014-15 seems to have fizzled out, the Eastern Pacific is trending ever so slightly above average in what might be called a mild or pre- El Nino.

Thus, I do not predict a return of polar vortex conditions this winter. However, all that being said, polar vortices are not the only thing that can cause cooler than average temperatures. The earth seems to be in a general cooling phase right now and as yet I have no idea how that will manifest in particular locations.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:43 | 5352686 Racer
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So it would appear that The Fed needs to print some more warm weather for Eurasia... or else!

That is why they are understating inflation so they can burn the debt as the dollar will not buy anything, Weimar Germany and now Weimar USSA

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:46 | 5352693 AustrianJim
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A fun site to check occasionally is http://iceagenow.info/.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:45 | 5352818 PoliticalRefuge...
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@AustrianJim

Thanks for the link, I love these type of places- another good one is   

http://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/orthographic=... 

..rotate the globe and zoom in on the Hawaiian Island area, it's a pretty incredible pic right now with the hurricane still in view.


Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:43 | 5352957 SAT 800
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Glad you're enjoying the photos; the fucking thing missed my house by 100 miles; and that's way too close.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:47 | 5352697 kchrisc
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Bomb the Polar Vortexes!

An American, not US subject.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:51 | 5352708 Your Creator
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The leftist governments need to control all business's with carbon taxes.  Global frauding.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:06 | 5352716 HardlyZero
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Modern tea leaves.

For me the Swirl-O-Gram is much easier. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-18/wasnt-supposed-happen

We need a seance...or a Scatologist to see where the economy is going ?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 13:57 | 5352720 bugsmashers
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No worries.  I just bought a Jeep.  There won't be any snow until I sell it.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:13 | 5353011 Village-idiot
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Is that along the same line as : When you have your umbrella it never rains?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:00 | 5352724 Karaio
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This is the second joke of the day - the first was the Swedish hunting Kaiten. 

Do not worry, the country provide exceptional fracking gas to Europe. 

Putin will have a good excuse: gas logs are frozen, we can not open. 

Another line of cocaine and go out in the press that Ukraine will provide all gas fracking that Europe needs, the son of Joe guarantees! Kkkkk! 

hehe.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:12 | 5352754 Karaio
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If you excuse me, I'm extremely sarcastic today, here in the most ventilated room in the house is 33,7º Celsius, humidity 20%, I'm in the middle of the Central Plateau of Brazil at 1,100 meters altitude. 

What saves my day is cold beer and lunch that the employer is preparando- mashed potato wrapped steak (a steak beef cow stuffed with pork lard made ??in a pressure cooker). 

Talk to you also helps pass the day, it's great fun. 

:-)

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:10 | 5353008 Village-idiot
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Yes, it's getting cooler here in the Northern Hemisphere (just as it always does at this time of year).

This Winter it'll snow (just as it always does in Winter).

Next Spring it'll start to get warmer again (just as it always does at that time of the year).

Doesn't it just irritate Al Gore when that happens!?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:02 | 5352726 Rearranging Dec...
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This is great news! Now the fed and the gov't and mainstream media will have an excuse for when broke ass consumers don't spend as much as they hope during the holidays. I know I barely intend to spend sh&t! After all how much crap from China do we really need?

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:07 | 5352741 Ckierst1
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We need boots on the ground to fight the PV.  tell the Poot to stand back cuz The Obo is sendin' the climate deciders to Siberia led by General Algore, who did make it!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:06 | 5352993 Village-idiot
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And there'll be enforced vaccinations against the cold for everyone.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:04 | 5352776 no bones
Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:11 | 5352872 GooseShtepping Moron
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The man in that video does not know what he is talking about.

While it is certainly true that the HAARP transmitter can produce a warm bulge of air in the ionosphere, that bulge of air would cause a rising air column underneath it, not a descending air column, as is clearly demonstrated here.

Neither would it be the case that HAARP could suppress storm cloud formation "anywhere within its transmission range." You cannot simply direct the energy from the HAARP antenna to any point on the earth's surface you happen to choose. Radio waves propagate by line-of-sight and are actually reflected y the ionosphere. The only region of the upper atmosphere that HAARP could affect would be the region right above it.

The ironic thing is that if the gentleman in the video had actually gotten the physics/meteorology right, it would have strengthened his case. The energy from HAARP might be able to produce a region of high pressure in approximately the right location to bend the mid-latitude jet south, but there is no evidence that it has actually done so.

 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:12 | 5352996 no bones
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A "warm bulge of air." Lol. How about 15,000 degrees of plasma? Nothing in the link you provided addresses this. Since you massively understate the energy of HAARP, I'm sticking with the guy in the video.

"The only region of the upper atmosphere that HAARP could affect would be the region right above it."

False as observed.

"The energy from HAARP might be able to produce a region of high pressure in approximately the right location to bend the mid-latitude jet south, but there is no evidence that it has actually done so."

What do think you just watched? Watch more and you will see HAARP downbursting every low pressure with the potential of dumping water on California.

While we are debating the finer points of what HAARP can or cannot do, watch Hurricane Norbert simply dissappear overnight over 80 degree water:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLuCgLh8lUcvGk7Z6S2kCHLM34WxW16STz&v=...

EDIT:

Response from HAARP REPORT

This guy is wrong on both accounts. First, It is stupid to say there is rising air under a "bulge in the ionosphere". The reality is that, a sudden hot spot in the ionosphere pushes the atmosphere in ALL directions, at the same time. On top, it pushes the upper atmosphere out, into space. And, underneath, it presses a column of air, down towards the surface. It is Newtons' Law of equal and opposite forces, action and reaction. This "hot spot", can be positioned anywhere, producing a man made high pressure in the jet stream, which controls the weather, down stream.
Secondly, he is wrong about the line of sight, distance limit. That is why the Haarp technology took so long to perfect. They use satellites and terrestrial microwave transmitters to set up ionospheric "mirrors", and "lenses", which serve as a waveguide to enable the Haarp transmitters to reach out, as far as 2,000 miles. This can ONLY be done in the daytime, when the ionosphere separates out into four layers. At night, it recombines back to two layers, and the Haarp range is only 300 miles, or so. Please post this response, if you don't mind. Thanks!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:07 | 5353160 GooseShtepping Moron
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I'm sorry, but neither you nor the gentleman from the HAARP report are speaking knowledgeably about these matters. Just confining ourselves to the issues already raised, there is this to consider.

1. An increase in air temperature raises the atmospheric pressure (all other things being equal), and this in turn raises the elevation of every isobaric surface. It does not cause air to descend beneath it as if it were propagating a shock wave downwards through the atmosphere. You might as well say that firing a rifle bullet imparts equal kinetic energy to both the projectile and the rifle-rifleman system which experiences the recoil. Warmer air in the ionosphere will expand outwards into the unconfined regions above it, but it will not compact the air beneath it. That is because there is no increase in atmospheric mass, so the pressure at the surface will remain the same no matter what the temperature is.

2. How can a satellite be used to reflect energy from HAARP when a) Satellites orbit above the ionosphere; and b) By the HAARP report's own account, the ionosphere absorbs the energy from the radio waves, which would leave nothing to reflect? This would be like saying that you can use a mirror placed on the far side of a chalkboard to reflect the beam of a flashlight directed at the chalkboard.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 20:02 | 5353610 no bones
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I'm observing the discussion you two are having and I must say you are not convincing. You should learn about HAARP before trying to dubunk what it can do.

REPLY FROM HAARP REPORT:

 1) This interpretation is not correct, as the hot spot in the ionosphere is created in a matter of a few seconds. It is 12 miles wide, and there is no time for equilibration of pressure and temperature. This sudden heating causes the gas to expand explosively, causing a pressure pulse. This reader is referring to geopotential height, which is not an issue here, since I am describing a rapid pressure wave, not normal air movements. There is nothing natural about this type of deadly geoengineering. The "topside" pressure wave blows some of our atmosphere out to space, like an aerosol spray can, and that air is lost forever to the solar wind. The powerful mixing effect, on the bottom side, causes the "chemtrail" metal particles to be mixed upward, to heights of 30 Km, into the ozone layer, where ozone is destroyed by the metal nano particles. This is why the Earth is dying from increased amounts of deadly UV reaching the surface.
2) The satellites assist in setting up the ionospheric mirror and lens, by monitoring the electron density of specific layers of the ionosphere, NOT by injecting the energy themselves. These satellites can probe the ionosphere with great precision, by transmitting pulses in the GHz range, with low power, and receiving back the reflected energy. They do not need a lot of power to do this remote sensing. The real power is coming from VHF Haarp arrays, and SBX type of transmitters, which are ground based. The reflectivity of the ionosphere has to do with the conductivity, which has to do with the electron density, which has to do with the gas density, and the degree of ionization. The powerful microwave transmitters can control some of these factors, with precision, to create a reflective surface, or a lens, to shape the high power pulses, which come a few seconds later. This is simple stuff, don't make it sound so complicated.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 21:40 | 5353856 GooseShtepping Moron
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Chemtrails? Forget it. The hope of rational discussion ends here.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 23:46 | 5354155 no bones
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Ad Hominem. Fail.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:24 | 5352777 roadhazard
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Farmers Almanac sez not too bad for NC. The rest of you go ahead and have yer Vortex.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:24 | 5352778 Atomizer
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Global climate change Idiots. 

Will The Sun Explode? http://www.universetoday.com/107791/will-the-sun-explode/
Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:38 | 5352808 Seasmoke
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Everyone Move to Australia !!!!!!!!!!!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:57 | 5352981 Atomizer
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New Zealand, you can surf the tectonic plates.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:43 | 5352815 blindman
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we have always been at war with eurasia.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 14:49 | 5352826 moneybots
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Mona Loa and Mona Kea had early snow this year, as well.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:12 | 5352874 Colonel Klink
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Because winter or extreme weather has never happened in the past.  They need any excuse they can to blame for the poor worldwide eCONomy.  It's never government and the banks fault, due to their complicit actions.

NEVAH!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:38 | 5352939 Svendblaaskaeg
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But....

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past

By Charles Onians
Monday 20 March 2000

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". 

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-...

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:02 | 5352988 Village-idiot
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The University of East Anglia?

That's the place that was hacked a couple of years ago, revealing the lies and deceit around the global-warming BS.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:53 | 5352975 Atomizer
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Al Gore can blow his hot air on the Jet Stream patterns. That asshat cannot control earth's axial tilt.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:59 | 5352986 Village-idiot
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But can he control the tilt of his oversized, inflated ego?

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 15:59 | 5352982 Village-idiot
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During the Winter of 1961-62 I was a schoolboy in England. That was a very bad winter with blizzards shutting down many highways. They were talking about a new Ice Age being on it's way.

Finally, it's happening (despite what the University of East Anglia is saying).

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:22 | 5353027 mijev
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I wonder if the new UK trolling laws will apply to people who deny global warming because the science is settled.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 16:57 | 5353123 netpounder
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The ManBearPig Vortex.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:00 | 5353135 Gunter
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Were they right in the Seventies?At that time we were preparing to escape from the ice age around the corner, learning Italian and preparing to move down south to the Mediterraneaen.

Here a list of articles about the Ice Age, from climate scientists:

http://homment.com/climate-change1

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:00 | 5353137 Bubenthauser
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Didn't even read the article. As soon as I saw the word "FORECASTERS", I gave up. Alas.

We talking 'bout weather months from now? Get out of here, please. What are you trying to sell? Oh yea, I get it. Justify your useless job, Mr Forecaster.

We all gotta live and eat bread, after all.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 17:19 | 5353202 Super Hans
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Lots of activity at Dobbins AFB right now, last few days. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:06 | 5353307 Its_the_economy...
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Firewud sales will more than make up for any consumer sales loss.

 

Go Long S&P minis!!!

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 18:58 | 5353440 Last of the Mid...
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If you downgrade 2% it's slight, if you update 0.1% it's a huge economic bounce back. 

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 19:23 | 5353507 yellowsub
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I thought it was the poles shifting.  This will be a permanent thing soon.

Sun, 10/19/2014 - 20:11 | 5353631 gwar5
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Update: Global warming is still a hoax.

Mon, 10/20/2014 - 01:47 | 5354283 JoJoJo
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Im not sure but the Clintons speaking fees may add a couple of billion to the gdp. Hillary wasout at Univ Las Vegas complaing about the excessive cost of college ed BEFORE she picked up her speaking fee @ $225,000

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