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Sweden Deploys Army, Air Force, Navy Near Stockholm Over Reported Damaged Russian Sub; Moscow Denies
Over the weekend, while the world was focusing on the threat of Ebola contagion in the US and around the globe, Sweden's otherwise sleepy capital Stockholm found itself the location of a blitz military operation involving the Swedish Armed Forces, Navy, Army and Air Force, when late on Saturday, Swedish armed forces stepped up an operation -- involving more than 200 men, stealth ships, minesweepers and helicopters -- in an area about 50 kilometres (30 miles) east of the Swedish capital. The operation was initiated on Friday after the armed forces said they had been informed of a "man made object" in the water.
The HMS Visby combs the Stockholm archipelago on Sunday
as the military operation continues. Photo: Marko Säävälä/TT
According to the Local.se, officials denied they were "submarine hunting," calling the mobilisation- one of the biggest, barring purely training exercises, since the Cold War - an "intelligence operation".
Also on Saturday evening, Director Communication and Public Affairs of the Swedish Armed Forces Erik Lagersten said: "At the moment we are conducting an intelligence operation in the archipelago of Stockholm with optical reconnaissance as well as with naval vessels equipped with qualified underwater sensors. The units activated are from all branches of the Swedish Armed Forces, the Navy, the Army and the Air Force."
And while it has been neither confirmed nor denied, a media report by the respected Swedish daily Svenska Dagbladet, put the blame for the rapid mobilization on what it said was a damaged Russian submarine located just off Stockholm. The report said that Swedish military intelligence had intercepted radio signals between an area off the coast of Stockholm and the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad -- home to much of Russia's Baltic Sea naval fleet.
Svenska Dagbladet reported that the sighting was at an island in Kanholmsfjärden, an inlet located just over 50 kilometres (30 miles) from the city centre.
According to Dagbladet, a witness to the start of the military operation, Robert Eriksson, said he was out in a boat fishing off the island of Skarpö at around 4pm. "The coast guard came in over the inlet with an airplane and flew round and round for a long time," he told news agency TT. Soon the navy also showed up.
"There was a large military boat that stayed further south on Kanholmsfjärden," he said.
Stefan Ring, a military strategy expert at the Swedish National Defence College (Försvarshögskolan) said it was important to send a signal. "It's important in this kind of situation, when we're noticing an escalation in the Baltic Sea, to signal very clearly that we're on top of the situation," he said.
"If one were not to do anything and it turned out to actually be something, then that's a signal to an opponent that this isn't all that important to us."
More from The Local:
"It was transmitted on a special frequency, used by Russia in emergency situations," the newspaper wrote, citing Swedish military sources involved in the search.
Sweden's armed forces remained tight-lipped, but did say its focus was on "underwater activities."
"The Swedish Armed Forces are not in a position to deny or verify media news or speculations recently published about a missing foreign submarine," spokesman Erik Lagersten said.
"At the moment we are conducting an intelligence operation in the archipelago of Stockholm with optical reconnaissance as well as with naval vessels equipped with qualified underwater sensors... to establish if there are or has been foreign underwater activities in the area."
Anonymous military sources told Svenska Dagbladet that the emergency signal in Russian was intercepted on Thursday evening, and that further encrypted signals were sent on Friday after Swedish armed forces began combing the area.
Over 14 years ago, in August 2000 the Kursk, a Russian nuclear submarine, sank in the Barents Sea killing the entire crew of 118. Russian authorities were later criticised for refusing international assistance and for misleading the public about the pace of their failed rescue operation. In recent months, Sweden has reportedly seen an uptick in Baltic Sea manoeuvres by the Russian air force. In one incident in September, two SU-24 fighter-bombers allegedly entered Swedish airspace in what then Foreign Minister Carl Bildt at the time called "the most serious aerial incursion by the Russians" in almost a decade.
During the 1980s and early 90s the then-neutral -- and now non-aligned -- Nordic country was regularly on alert following Russian submarine sightings, including one notable case in 1981 when a Soviet U-boat ran aground several miles from one of Sweden's largest naval base.
Considering that the west has been all too eager to unleash Cold War 2.0, it would not be surprising if Russia has decided to pay Stockholm a visit or two.
Meanwhile, Russia denied everything. From Tass:
There have not been any emergency situations with Russian military vessels, spokesman for the Russian Defence Ministry said on Sunday.
“Russia’s submarines, like the surface ships, have been following their tasks in the world’s oceans according to the plan,” he said. “There have not been any emergencies or accidents with the Russian military vessels.”
If not Russia, then who? Only nine countries have access to the Baltic Sea: besides Sweden, they are Germany, Denmark, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Russia, Finland and Estonia. Only Germany, Poland, Russia and Switzerland have own fleets of submarines.
According to at least one source, the Russian submarine in question is the Losharik, i.e., "Project 210" aka the AC-12, nuclear submarine, which came online in 2003, after the Kursk incident.
Slår ett slag för denna sida om ryska miniubåtar http://t.co/nSCnwO81eK pic.twitter.com/y2feZEBoUm
— Tobias Levin (@TLLEVIN) October 18, 2014
And then there is this:
Movements of the RUS owned oil tanker, suspected mothership of suspected minisub in distress in Sweden
from @kallekn pic.twitter.com/MkhC9QLi0G
— adam seven (@a7_FIN_SWE) October 19, 2014
So did a Russian sub merely get lost, or was this just another transit route as Russia scrambles to weaponize the Arctic and defend its numerous oil and gas fields located there?
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crazy ivan!
Meanwhile, Obama has a laser-like focus on the golf course.
Forward (over the cliff)!
Nothing to see, just a weather balloon.
Swedish Army, Air Force, Navy gone "nuclear" over suspected damaged Russian sub !?
I suspect that there are a lot of undersea cables in that area.
That's the exact location where my crate of gold and silver fell off my boat.
This is near where the Swedes keep their secret stockpile of lutefisk...can you blame the Russians for going after it?
Got a sample ballot in the mail yesterday...i think?
the whole thing was in SPAINISH...
felt like i was trapped in a 80's 'WALL OF VOODOO' VIDEO....
'can't understand JUST WHAT DOES HE SAY...'
I've never got a sample ballot in the mail. I also never heard back from my congressman after I told him to man up and do something positive. Big surprise!
Russia should salt the coasts of Western countries with hundreds of transponders intermittently broadcasting on that frequency.
Think of all the practice the West's navies would get.
...Germany, Poland, Russia and SWITZERLAND?? have submarine fleets?
Please somebody tell that is a typo and they meant Sweden?
Lake Geneva is not that big is it?
I KNEW IT!
The Swedes have found MH370!
Is that a Littoral class U.S.N. ship in the pic? NO, I guess it's some Limey derivative. Looks like a Lockheed 'skunkworks' radar-invisible design. In the case of naval vessels, I guess they could call it the 'SUNKWORKS'. Aluminium ('aluminum', for you 'merkuns') doesn't really corrode in salt water, does it?
Of COURSE the Swiss have a navy! Every Saturday night, my youngest son plays with them in the bath. I tried to get him the full contingent of 'Swiss Army' toys to play with, but there was only one available (until he quit). I am in the process of teaching him about banking by opening his own 'Swiss bank account', but it's difficult. He doesn't know about looting gold from occupied countries in Europe just yet (youth has it's disadvantages, I suppose).
OMG! Sweden has deployed ALL 200 MEN (and their ship, and their plane)!
I'm trying to remember WHICH multinational bought out SAAB a few years ago. They used to have these quirky little cars that had the ignition switches mounted in the center console. Their BIG sales pitch came with the '99' series, that used a V-4 Ford industrial European forklift engine (originally). The shit's gone nowhere but downhill from this point for Sweden.
Russia should only start worrying when Swedish women pick up their 7 irons...
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I'm on a Mexican, whoah oh, Diebold...
Wish I was in Tijuana,
eatin' barbequed iguana...
.
mmmmm.... ljutefjisk...
No, no I can't.
BTW, I heard that the sole purpose of Switzerland's submarine fleet is to guard the undersea entrance to their cheese mine.
@SilverIs King
You're not only an asshole you're also a fucking liar.
Dude, calm TF down.
I was with SIK that day, fishing & cavorting, and that's the exact location where BOTH our crates of gold and silver fell off the boat.
Worse yet, SIK didn't even mention this, but we lost many firearms and tens of thousands of rounds of ammo that day.
And we got skunked in terms of fish not biting.
'Twas truly tragic.
Friends don't let friends go boating with gold and silver. Shame!
Friends don't let friends go boating withOUT gold and silver. NO Shame!
There, fixed it for you.
NO undersea cables in that area?
REALLY?
Do TELL!
I'm sure you have maps and links that show that there are NO UNDERSEA CABLES in that area.
I AM AM NOT AN ASSHOLE for calling you on your post, and YOU ARE a misdirecting LIAR for posting it in the first place.
FUCK YOU, 'ajax'.
...Russian submarine sunk by an errant Obama tee shot.
I'm posting the obligatory 'Falling Down' golf club scene ('passing through').
'Now you're gonna die. How does it feel, wearing that stupid little hat?'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E73RM9gS7bU
(Edwards, this is Obola One, hope all the greens are manicured. Coming in for final approach.)
well, if they're in trouble....
i pray they get off the bottom alive...
for that is no way for a man to die...
Wait, what?
Switzerland...subs?
This also made me laugh.
But seeing Poland on that list made me think of jokes that were told to me as a child. Something about screen doors on their subs.
Canada bought 3 of those from the Brits.
Switzerland...subs?
They dive in Lake Zurich from 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. but not on Saturday and Sunday.
You have no fucking idea ... you piece of ridiculous shit.
?????
Okay, who pissed in Ajaxs' cornflakes this morning?
LEAUTENANT AJAX!
What?
YOU are a SLACKER!
What do you mean?
YOU signed up for the long term service commitment, but you have been LACKING as of late. Do you KNOW what happens to plebes like YOU who can't MAN UP and FACE THE CHALLENGE, even after 4 years on the INTERWEBS?
(a vision of a puppy, whimpering)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI
The strain of his 'dual service' is starting to show, JT.
I call 'em as I see 'em...
Well, Putin thinks otherwise:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Kursk_%28K-141%29
Only three were lost with all hands: two from the United States Navy and one from the Russian Navy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_nuclear_submarines
Come again.... hahahha
Oh yeah? Talk to the Kursk families who were told the same fucking thing and whose mothers were given injections of benzodiazepams to make them shut the fuck about it all.
Welcome to the matrix.
One day, you will recognize the fact that those on this site are somewhat ignorant (but seekers, as well).
In the CONUS, they call them 'INCIDENTS'. The 'Thresher Incident', or the 'Columbia Incident', for stark examples.
The CORRECT terminology used by 'the PTB' is 'COLLATERAL DAMAGE'.
You've played into their games, by posting a 'knee-jerk' emotional response to a possible 'false-flag' exersize.
May God have mercy on those who lost their lives and all the souls that chose the sea.
"well, if they're in trouble....
i pray they get off the bottom alive...
for that is no way for a man to die..."
If they are at the depths that are described, and there is no way to rescue them, I pray that their end comes suddenly and painlessly. If rescue is a possibility, I pray that the men involved all get salvation from sure death.
AMEN.
Let's see if the Swedes have the cojones to capture/destroy a foreign sub which, after all, is in their waters...
Shame if the Swedes depth-charge a 'Russian' sub and it turns out to one of Israel's.
Or one of Germany's...
Last time Swedish army/navy went ruski-sub-hunting in the Stockholm archipelago, it turned out being a false flag. It was a ZATO sub on a mission to change Swedes' minds to (ofificialy) abandon their country's neutrality and join the Empire of Darkness.
Of course, those thinking about a false flag were at the time ridiculed, but this little conspiracy theory turned into a conspiracy fact 25 years later...
We'll probably be told it's an Palestinian sub, sent to invade Sweden after they recognised Palestine's right to statehood.
More USA 'I don't know fuck all about geopolitics but I can make jokes about it all'.
My advice to you little asshole, stay home and pay your bills.
Why are you so angry? Did your momma ground you or something?
He's a idiot. He doesn't need a reason...
When a Military Ship of War is in violation of another's sovereign waters, against all Maritime Law, then it is an Act of War and the Ship of War becomes a valid Military Target.
Deep Six that Mother Fucking violator.
You SEALED THE DEAL.
You are an ASS.
You are an ARROGANT ass.
You are not only an ASS; you are an IGNORANT and ARROGANT ass.
Be thankful that your dog finally has enough cheese, as you take part in the Bejing Marathon.
Even the GCHQ is embarrased now, as you reference the H.M.S. Ajax.
Hey ajax,
Stop hogging all the red arrows! I want some too.
Look over there at the false flag thing in the water. Anything to divert attention away from the Swiss Gold Referendum.
The same response to you:
More USA 'I don't know fuck all about geopolitics but I can make jokes about it all'.
My advice to you little asshole, stay home and pay your bills.
Seems your vagina is sore young man. Calm down
Bullshit. He wants a Russian Sub to be able to violate the sovereign waters of another nation with impunity?
Fuck that noise.
I hope that the Sweedish Navy locates the Motherfucker and Depth Charges it, and her crew, to oblivion.
Deep Six it. Sink that Mother Fucker.
Crazy Ivan? You mean Boris?
"Only Germany, Poland, Russia and Switzerland have own fleets of submarines."
Switzerland "haves" a submarine fleet?
OK OK I get it......
A icon in the history of mobility – the world’s first and largest-ever submarine built for tourism purposes and only submarine officially approved for operation in Switzerland.
http://www.premjithnarayanan.com/photoframe?id=2951&compact=1
https://www.verkehrshaus.ch/en/museum/navigation/mesoscaph-submersible
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3q35WCZVEc
Knukles, the term 'Swiss navy'
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/58777062
Switzerland exports an enormous amount of military equipment to anyone who is buying. Precision pieces for bombs, aircraft and submarines... Lake Geneva is the largest, deepest lake in Europe - you don't think the Swiss scientists are exploiting it? Think again. As it happens, I'd rather buy my precision instruments from Switzerland than from the USA or China or Israel...
Doesnt UBS count? I certainly has the capability to take a dive?
No shit. The Rooskies have a chronic problem running aground around Sweden. Apparantley, it doesn't show up on their nautical charts.
Like watching the DC poe-lice force.
Tee hee heh....
And talk about clusterfucks. Looks like our Screamin' Eagles sent to Nigeria, et al, to "fight" Ebola won't be getting full Hazmat suits. Guess the State Department bought 'em all up.
Distractions, distractions, distractions.....
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/101st-airborne-wont-get-full-pro...
We used to call troopers from the 101st...
THE PUKING BUZZARDS...
we thought it was funny...
now, not so much...
That should put the Airborne in Ebola.....
...anybody that reports for that clusterfuck as ordered deserves everything they get.
If they want to deny the existence of that Sub, if they want to lie about it, then it should not have been doing anything there in the first place.
I hope that the Sweedes find it and send it to the bottom.
On the other hand, if there had been a navigational or mechanical failure in International Waters and it ended up there by accident...AND THE RUSSIANS ADMITTED THAT...then I would be all out for a rescue of that crew.
But since they did not admit it then Russia is up to something nefarious. Deep Six that Mother Fucker.
If the USA discovered Russian Subs in US Coastal Waters and opted to do nothing I'd be screaming for some Commanders' heads for dereliction of duty. Navies are bound to protect their territorial waters, by force if necessary.
Sink those bastards.
Will you be saying that if it turns out to be a US sub?
Well maybe if they stopped using the Swedish maps, which have been deliberately doctored for these very purposes? Duh!
um....the swiss have a sub fleet?
I would bet on a German made dolphin class sub donated to a certain little ME country.
Yep. And a country whose adversary Sweden just said it was going to recognize.
2 + 2 = 5
The Swiss are renowned designers of submarines...the Collins class for instance....
Oh, yes, ....I am being facetious for those who can't tell...
The cargo ship Concord switched off its AIS several days ago whilst still some distance away from the search area, I can no longer find any reference to the vessel, it seems to have vanished from the AIS listings.
Now is that not strange??
Hmmm..does anyone know if the Concord is flagged in Malaysia?
Germany. On it: http://rt.com/news/197316-germany-blames-militia-crash/
Where is Sean Connery when you need him...
Well hello mishus Moneypenny.
Well, hello James! Is that a large salami you've taped to your leg again or are you just sloshed as normal?
"Ryan, shome things in here don't react well with bulletsh."
I'm upvoting all Red October quotes in October.
One ping only pleash....
Ramius: A great day comrads, we shail into hishtory !!
Ramius: Right now Capt Tupolov is removing the shafties on all his weapons, he won't make the shame mishtake twice.
And of course the OMG line of the movie: Painter: This business will get out of control! It'll get out of control and we'll be lucky to live thru it!
Love this one too: Mancuso: Ok Ryan we just unzipped our fly. [to weapons officer] Open outer doors, firing point procedure!!. [to ryran] That russian so much as twitches I'll blow him right to Mars.
Ramius: Load sholution into computer, do not open the doors.
Only a little shaken, not stirred
Darling Moneypenny, lets go shit in the shunshine.....
LO fucking L
Rolling in dough, like any overpaid ACTOR would.
Could William Shatner resolve this issue without Scotty?
I think not.
but of course the top bankers have much more money and have done so much more good for society than an overpaid actor who just made movies for entertainment purposes
Red October.....Checking in
Seems hard trolling from Russia.
China learns from Russia:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2jp2xu/china_hires_as_many_as_3...
???
hey bearing....
stay away from this kowalli fool...
this psycho wanted my address so he could "hang me up" like his isis brothers...
steer clear, bro...
Will do, thanks for the tip. I hope Sunday goes well for you and yours, Captain.
thank you,
and may you and yours be safe...
'REMEMBER, KEEP YOUR HEAD DOWN, AND KEEP YOUR BUTT LOWER THAN YOUR HEAD!'
Kowali, like most good Polish, are happy to be the Pope's fulcrum against Russia. For Russia is the only remaining bastion of the true Christian faith.
the ploy: putin will launch on europe. prepare for sp 1000. putin has no kids, wives, is not afraid to die, a skilled intelligence officer, and wants a place in history. obama is not kennedy. putin is not kruschev.
alot of snarky comments from the peanut gallery on this site. mostly stupid. and fearful
he has a daughter
And loves his country.
I hope the Russians love their children, too
-Gordon Sumner
I hope the Russians love their children, too
-Gordon Sumner
What a stinging comment.
He has a second "love" child with his gymnast girlfriend baby momma.
What a dumb post. Putin and Russia just needs to keep making deals with China, BRICS, Iran, South America and others. Obala-merca and the zioUK are the desparate ones in this game.
Putin and Russia are rational while Obam-Merica is totally irrational. This is like poker or chess and the headcases and hot heads generally lose.
Your ignorance of the facts is astounding. Hope they pay you well, troll.
p.s. Unlike some people, his parentage, birthplace or Dual Citizenship is NOT in question. Unlike many of the people at the daily PDB meetings or within the Administration.
+1 for the troll ID. If it walks like a duck...
I couldn't resist...
"TROLTECH" latest episode..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlbrL1H1ngs
As to our comments being fearful, that's just due to a correct reading of the situation. If you're not frightened, you're not paying attention.
Pelotudo :D
curious how your comment fits right in.
Roll lots of depth charges. Their old and the navy needs fresh supplies. Great practice. Might bring up some great fish for dinner and ...
The corvette in the top photo is better looking and a wee bit shorter in length than the "Venus".
There is a Soviet submarine leaking radioactive STUFF for about 30+ years off coast of Norway.
I saw a report on 60 Minutes probably 25 years ago they showed fish with 3 eyes.
Hell, there is a nuclear waste site and a former test range a few miles from where I have live in Vegas. On Fremont Street, in the wee hours of any morning, there are some rather bizarre sorry-looking looking humanoids wandering around. But on the other hand, I've grown an extra ball since I moved out here a couple of years ago. Just goes to show, you can always get some good with the bad.
growing an extra ball is pretty normal these days... just wait till you get a little older and have 6 of em
I hope that third ball isn't on your forehead.
That might take some getting used to.
No, no. That's Springfield and the fish's name is Blinky.
http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/wp-content/uploads/yellowsubmarine-13043...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM5NIi8m_kQ
Leaking Yellow Cake?
If so, they're all dead men and give the lyrics (We all live in the yellow submarine) a new meaning: they'll be "living" there for a long time.
OT
pumpkin fest.. ridiculous
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new-hampshire/2014/10/18/swat-teams-rep...
It's not OT. It's the same inflation-financed games, different venue. Fucking SWAT teams. Nice.
Well, I'm good with any party ... especially a rowdy one, but they were flipping cars and vandalizing ... tear gas doesn't seem extreme to me here ...
So a mini sub, possibly russian, possibly checking on the russian pipeline that runs exactly through there, but in international waters (originally) is now some secret invading force when it malfunctions?
I also don't see how reopening an existing base is weaponizing the arctic. But i do enjoy a good russian sub story, its been forever since they have been cast as the baddies, what with ebola and isis and all. :)
Here is a leaked pic of the possible spetznaz-guy they're looking for.
http://d1.dn-static.se/UploadedImages/2014/10/19/33c13e31-ce42-4cae-8f4a...
Fuck me! I saw him at the beach this morning when I was walking somebody's stray dog!
Is that the Sub the Russians scuttled in WW2 ... I wonder ?
Sorry, that was WW1 :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m7o6Sgr5bo
Rather than trying to act like big shots over an imaginary Russian sub, why the hell doesn't the Swedish government grow a pair and do something about the Muslim dudes that are rampaging through the country, raping and impregnating Swedish women?
Because Swedish women like Muslim dick? Maybe? Or so I've heard
More inflation-financed games?
Obligatory---......"One Ping Only"....
And in Canada there is a Russian cargo ship floating around with no power. Maybe this is a military tactic
Or is it the result of standard Russian equipment maintenance?
In Canada?
Just off the coast of Toronto
left coast
If the Russians deny that it's in Swedish waters then the Swedes should fire a round into the non existent vessel..problem solved.
That would be an interesting scenario. It would be like speaking Russian to the Russians.
Yawn... If this were to happen, Putin would quite simply end Sweden before Abdul, Habbas, and Mohammed finshed gangbanging and impregnating another Swedish woman.
i take it you are not muslim and are not banging sweidish chicks you dumb cunt..
maybe look more to home for reasons for multiracial europe you rabbinical cunt : )
Barbara Lerner Spectre and jewish implementation of multiracial multiculturalism in the Europehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
Multiracial Europe. Yikes!
In Israel jews may not marry non-jews.
When are all the European whites going to start campaigns of multicultural/multirace for Israel? Maybe we can get a kickstarter going?
Israel isn't in Europe even though it likes to pretend it is sometimes. Israel is just a mental asylum anyway. You don't have to get married there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKDeyuM0-Og&feature=youtu.be
White Rabbit-Antiracist Hitler
Putin isn't going to admit there is a problem unless he is forced to do so, just like any other Russian dictator. The Swedes aren't going to spend money on BS info so it's probably true. Personally I'm still waiting for, "The West shot down the plane" proof.
The Swedes spending money on BS like all Europe and USA, nothing new
The King of Sweden breaks away from his hooker-and-blow parties to send his gunboat to check things out.
Roadhazard, will this do ?
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/german-intelligence-blames-pro-russian-separatists-for-mh17-downing-a-997972.html
The obvious does not need an article.
Seems the Tylers were commissioned to write a presumptive bit of propoganda.
From the article:
"So did a Russian sub merely get lost, or was this just another transit route as Russia scrambles to weaponize the Arctic and defend its numerous oil and gas fields located there?"
Then in the article the Tyler's state that only 9 other countries have access to the Baltic Sea.
Well, first off Tyler's first statement indicates Tyler has determined there is a sub there and that it is Russian. However, I did not read any info that shows they even know if there is a sub there much less that it is Russian.
Second off, and please correct my understanding of the geography if I am wrong, ANY nation that can get a ship or sub into the north Atlantic Ocean has access to the Baltic. This includes the US. Am I incorrect on this, is there a land mass that prevents a boat, ship or sub from sailing into the Baltic Sea from the ocean.
Very purposefully misleading article from the Tylers. Why?
it's just his opinion
So it is Tyler's opinion that you cannot sail from the Alantic into the Baltic. Either I am incorrect about being able to do so or Tyler should hire a high school student from that part of the world to advise him.
They are talking about small sub and all small sub can't cross ocean, that's was a point, but you are smart guy, you know it, right?
They do not know if there is a sub much less that it is a small sub if there is one.
Are you telling us that the only sub that can navigate into those waters is a "small" sub? I believe you are incorrect.
Then are you claiming there is a sub there and it is a midget sub that cannot sail from another country? If you claim it is a midget sub, are you claiming that a midget sub can sail from a Russia port, underwater, all the way to this location. If what you are claiming, as it appear you are, is that there is a midget sub that was launched from a larger surface ship, then why would any other nation not be able to also move a midget close to the area on a mother ship and then launch it?
Regardless, the US, UK and other countries have ports on that side of the Atlantic from which a sub, or whatever size, could be based at and sial to the area just as, or even more, easily as Russia.
Good luck in getting from the Baltic Sea to the Atlantic, w/o going through Danish waters. And last I checked, Denmark is part of NATO.
But I do agree that the story is long on speculation. A story which first broke on RT last night, BTW.
So... This story helps the ZH site stats for revenue purposes -- and I get that too. Hey, look, we're helping that by reading it and posting comments and responses!
Ha ha, yes, we are doing it for the Tylers.
Kirk,
Ok then, since no country can get into the Baltic without going through Danish waters and this is a barrier that cannot simply be sailed through, well then Russia cannot do so either. Right? But then if this does not physically prevent ANYONE from doing so and Russia could physically sail through then so could all countries who can physically put a ship or sub into the Atlantic.
Tyler's comments that there are only 9 countries with access to the Baltic and since none of them claim to have a sub there then the only other country who could physically sail into it are the Russians in simply BS.
Of course, that arguement ignores that fact that there is no proof there is ANY sub there. This just smells of more psyops to try to color Russia, at least at this point.
1.) Sweeden intercepted message that was in russian and was send from place where now search is going on. First message asked for help. Later messages where coded. (I guess they recieved order from Putin regime not to show up and ask from help internationally)
2.) Why on earth that russian ship is going on circles around that area?