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Sweden Deploys Army, Air Force, Navy Near Stockholm Over Reported Damaged Russian Sub; Moscow Denies
Over the weekend, while the world was focusing on the threat of Ebola contagion in the US and around the globe, Sweden's otherwise sleepy capital Stockholm found itself the location of a blitz military operation involving the Swedish Armed Forces, Navy, Army and Air Force, when late on Saturday, Swedish armed forces stepped up an operation -- involving more than 200 men, stealth ships, minesweepers and helicopters -- in an area about 50 kilometres (30 miles) east of the Swedish capital. The operation was initiated on Friday after the armed forces said they had been informed of a "man made object" in the water.
The HMS Visby combs the Stockholm archipelago on Sunday
as the military operation continues. Photo: Marko Säävälä/TT
According to the Local.se, officials denied they were "submarine hunting," calling the mobilisation- one of the biggest, barring purely training exercises, since the Cold War - an "intelligence operation".
Also on Saturday evening, Director Communication and Public Affairs of the Swedish Armed Forces Erik Lagersten said: "At the moment we are conducting an intelligence operation in the archipelago of Stockholm with optical reconnaissance as well as with naval vessels equipped with qualified underwater sensors. The units activated are from all branches of the Swedish Armed Forces, the Navy, the Army and the Air Force."
And while it has been neither confirmed nor denied, a media report by the respected Swedish daily Svenska Dagbladet, put the blame for the rapid mobilization on what it said was a damaged Russian submarine located just off Stockholm. The report said that Swedish military intelligence had intercepted radio signals between an area off the coast of Stockholm and the Russian enclave of Kaliningrad -- home to much of Russia's Baltic Sea naval fleet.
Svenska Dagbladet reported that the sighting was at an island in Kanholmsfjärden, an inlet located just over 50 kilometres (30 miles) from the city centre.
According to Dagbladet, a witness to the start of the military operation, Robert Eriksson, said he was out in a boat fishing off the island of Skarpö at around 4pm. "The coast guard came in over the inlet with an airplane and flew round and round for a long time," he told news agency TT. Soon the navy also showed up.
"There was a large military boat that stayed further south on Kanholmsfjärden," he said.
Stefan Ring, a military strategy expert at the Swedish National Defence College (Försvarshögskolan) said it was important to send a signal. "It's important in this kind of situation, when we're noticing an escalation in the Baltic Sea, to signal very clearly that we're on top of the situation," he said.
"If one were not to do anything and it turned out to actually be something, then that's a signal to an opponent that this isn't all that important to us."
More from The Local:
"It was transmitted on a special frequency, used by Russia in emergency situations," the newspaper wrote, citing Swedish military sources involved in the search.
Sweden's armed forces remained tight-lipped, but did say its focus was on "underwater activities."
"The Swedish Armed Forces are not in a position to deny or verify media news or speculations recently published about a missing foreign submarine," spokesman Erik Lagersten said.
"At the moment we are conducting an intelligence operation in the archipelago of Stockholm with optical reconnaissance as well as with naval vessels equipped with qualified underwater sensors... to establish if there are or has been foreign underwater activities in the area."
Anonymous military sources told Svenska Dagbladet that the emergency signal in Russian was intercepted on Thursday evening, and that further encrypted signals were sent on Friday after Swedish armed forces began combing the area.
Over 14 years ago, in August 2000 the Kursk, a Russian nuclear submarine, sank in the Barents Sea killing the entire crew of 118. Russian authorities were later criticised for refusing international assistance and for misleading the public about the pace of their failed rescue operation. In recent months, Sweden has reportedly seen an uptick in Baltic Sea manoeuvres by the Russian air force. In one incident in September, two SU-24 fighter-bombers allegedly entered Swedish airspace in what then Foreign Minister Carl Bildt at the time called "the most serious aerial incursion by the Russians" in almost a decade.
During the 1980s and early 90s the then-neutral -- and now non-aligned -- Nordic country was regularly on alert following Russian submarine sightings, including one notable case in 1981 when a Soviet U-boat ran aground several miles from one of Sweden's largest naval base.
Considering that the west has been all too eager to unleash Cold War 2.0, it would not be surprising if Russia has decided to pay Stockholm a visit or two.
Meanwhile, Russia denied everything. From Tass:
There have not been any emergency situations with Russian military vessels, spokesman for the Russian Defence Ministry said on Sunday.
“Russia’s submarines, like the surface ships, have been following their tasks in the world’s oceans according to the plan,” he said. “There have not been any emergencies or accidents with the Russian military vessels.”
If not Russia, then who? Only nine countries have access to the Baltic Sea: besides Sweden, they are Germany, Denmark, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Russia, Finland and Estonia. Only Germany, Poland, Russia and Switzerland have own fleets of submarines.
According to at least one source, the Russian submarine in question is the Losharik, i.e., "Project 210" aka the AC-12, nuclear submarine, which came online in 2003, after the Kursk incident.
Slår ett slag för denna sida om ryska miniubåtar http://t.co/nSCnwO81eK pic.twitter.com/y2feZEBoUm
— Tobias Levin (@TLLEVIN) October 18, 2014
And then there is this:
Movements of the RUS owned oil tanker, suspected mothership of suspected minisub in distress in Sweden
from @kallekn pic.twitter.com/MkhC9QLi0G
— adam seven (@a7_FIN_SWE) October 19, 2014
So did a Russian sub merely get lost, or was this just another transit route as Russia scrambles to weaponize the Arctic and defend its numerous oil and gas fields located there?
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It may surprise you that the CIA has people who know how to speak Russia.
Even you can send an encrypted message, anyone can.
Of course, that assumes a any message, by anyone, was actually sent. If the CIA says they intercepted a message by Syria regarding a pending WMD attack are you going to simply believe them?
So, if another country sends an encrypted message in english is that grounds for them to say it was the US?
Combined with that Russian ship circling around 20 km per day.
But I guess your reality denial is stronger than logic.
Ok, since you are taking the approach that if no one can prove Russia "did not" then it must be true, lets come up with a simular approach.
Since we established that any country could have sailed a sub into that location, and that no one has proof or evidence there is even a sub there and all you are doing is throwing out "what ifs" with no reliable evidence - Then how about there is a sub there but it is not Russian and Russia is keeping a ship at that location to be there when it is forced to surface to document the actions of the US or other such country.
Funny thing about the purported messages. It is claimed to be a secret mission by Russia - but the initial message is sent over an open channel with no encryption and directed to a location within Russia (not a low power call to a local Russian "mothership" ship ). If that is true the commander of such a sub violated protocol and sent the message to people not close enough to help.
You are a true troll.
You never get tired of your bullshit.
I guess you are being paid handsomely for being stupid.
"Good luck in getting from the Baltic Sea to the Atlantic, w/o going through Danish waters"
Ahem....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the...
Territorial waters
Out to 12 nautical miles (22 kilometres; 14 miles) from the baseline, the coastal state is free to set laws, regulate use, and use any resource. Vessels were given the right of innocent passage through any territorial waters, with strategic straits allowing the passage of military craft as transit passage, in that naval vessels are allowed to maintain postures that would be illegal in territorial waters. "Innocent passage" is defined by the convention as passing through waters in an expeditious and continuous manner, which is not "prejudicial to the peace, good order or the security" of the coastal state. Fishing, polluting, weapons practice, and spying are not "innocent", and submarines and other underwater vehicles are required to navigate on the surface and to show their flag. Nations can also temporarily suspend innocent passage in specific areas of their territorial seas, if doing so is essential for the protection of its security.
Story is more Russian worshipping. Shit is getting old.
To transit without going into 'Danish' waters is easy, just use Norwegian and Swedish.
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Joke of the day!
Submarine when it has trouble emerges! Rises to the surface!
Submarine submerges problems is because they're all dead!
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Perhaps the Swedes are looking for the Loch Ness monster or that fled, some Kaiten, perhaps a German submarine U-XXIII or a lost whale rose again Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Maybe that submarine NGO is there Kkkkkk!
I found the link about those guys who defend the environment and has a submarine IIWW, link found on the Kaiten:
https://www.google.com.br/search?q=Kaiten&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source...
hehe.
Negative?
Someone here is a very bad mood!
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
Maybe they don't like idiots who think they're funny cluttering up the place with mindless nonsense?
Your avatar makes it impossible to take your sternness seriously. I laughed out loud.
You see that, Karaio? I made the guy laugh and I wasn't even trying.
That's how it's done.
Reminds me of the time I saw two guys in Stay Puft Marshmellow Men suits beat the snot out of two guys outside of a bar on Halloween.
@ Reggie Dunlop:
Always happens here.
The guys forget they have immunity.
I have a cow syndrome.
I am not give a shit for what these guys write cursing me.
Como se diz no Brasil, "eu tô cagando e andando pr'esses caras".
Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
:-)
I do enjoy the Homer Skull X-Ray avatar.
E como se diz no resto do mundo, para de riz como uma menina de escola. Maricon.
It's me! It really is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dTHlTu_DC8
No problem.
I'm not spending my time here to make you laugh or cry.
'm Commentator, have so much fun with it.
I write about things that I believe can illustrate other small minds.
If you can not grasp the idea of Brazilian mood transcribed by google, your problem.
hehe.
I can get that. Other cultures/languages and in text with no facial expressions, body language or vocal tonailties don't always translate to us white Norte Americanos. btw, you forgot your sig line Kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!
One yet unidentified source claims to have heard a disteress call in Russian.
So the MSMM (mainstream mental midgets) who knew that Assad had ordered the CW weapons attack, that Viktor Yushchencko had ordered rooftop snipers to fire on the crowd (but somehow forgot to order water cannons and the army to dispurse the mob) and that the Chinese and Russians are hacking into the computers of the West without telling us what was hacked and how they know it was the Russians and the Chinese who are doing the hacking.
It's probably time for some tension between the North and South Korea.
Oh, wait.
http://en.ria.ru/world/20141019/194294229/South-North-Korea-Exchange-Fir...
@ Lance soldier ...:
"An unnamed source says he heard a call disteress in Russian."
Yes! I heard about it.
The Russians said they were near Berlin, was a transmission of WWII countered on Mars and returned, was captured by our satellites extreme sensibiliade.
:-)
ebola ?
ever try to steer a sub with flaming vomit n poo's ? I bet that deserves a medal
"Only Germany, Poland, Russia and Switzerland have own fleets of submarines."
Switzerland?
Wouldn't it be funny if it was one of those freebie German subs destined for Israel (and operated by Israelis), that got grounded or in trouble?
If the Russians deny it's theirs, then sink it and see if the Russians, Germans or Israelis complain.
@ Basho:
Uai!
You did not know that Switzerland had its own fleet of submarines?
They are stocked in the mountains with snow, in case of being invaded, they drop submarines and fuck whoever is down there!
hehe.
What are you, 12 years old?
Rolex sales are way down. They gotta build something.
Listen.
It's another .mil article on The Hedge. Now we can "READ" all the USSA military douche comments and say "WHORAHH" or whatever!
Race: Indian.
Tank you for calling technical support dis is Pintar.., I mean peter.
No mention of M/v Estonia? The Swedes solved the crime then threw the evidence back in the water and remained tight lipped even though hundreds of their countrymen were murdered.
Wars and rumors of wars.. Wish I knew what the fuck was going on.
Listen.
All these countries are posturing to show Israel that they won't allow them to release Obala in their country like they did in Africa.
Wait I've heard this one before.
Taken from the foreward of "The Secret War Against Sweden - US and British Submarine Deception in the 1980s" by Ola Tunander
Thanks for that.
The West has lost any sembalence of originality.
It is not even a year since the mob in the Maidan brought down the Ukrainian govt., and now John O. Brennan is trying to pull a similar stunt in Hong Kong.
In China's case, Brennan is trying to embarrass China into using the Army to break up the protesters, so the US and the UK can sit at the bar at the Country Club of Nations, their hands dripping with blood, while they point out how uncivilized Beijing is.
Sweden has armed forces?
Yeah they have an army... The Swedish army dudes wear well-lubricated strap-ons, have blocks of cheese for helmuts, and spew high-pitched Nordic girlyman insults at the enemy. Their women send them out every day to march around the town squares while they are banging Abdul and Habbab in the family sauna.
"... wel-lubricated strap-ons..."
I guess that explains why Russia keeps going back there...
BTW
A new left center government has just replaced the quisling party of Fredrik Reinfeldt and Carl Bildt.
The new Prime Minister is Stefan Lofven, who said Sweden would recognize the Palestinian State.
"Oh, bend over, Obama whilst I look for a Russian submarine in the murky waters of your Baltic bowels to prove Sweden's boner fides."
Didn't the Swedish government recently decide to formerly recognize Palestine as an independent state?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/the-case-for-recognisin...
Yes and recall the murky burgas bombing and in its wake the mysterious explosives that were left at one of the major nuke plants.
Breszinski's son is US embassador to Sweden. So this is pretty much US/NATO trying to get sweden further on side.
Good to see you posting again, YHC.
Is he a coke head like Hunter Biden too?
Even with my awful grammar mistake? :) Good to see you too mate. Been awhile, though I've been lurking around at least once a month.
Yep, I totally agree with you - I did wonder when and how Sweden would be pressured into forgetting about recognizing Palestine the moment I saw it in the papers.
Poor russian soldiers will be let to die just like with kursk ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Kursk_%28K-141%29 ). Putine regime would never allow them to go up and admit they failed their mission - they will be let to die.
Pooor russian people.
I agree that they will be sacrificed before Putin admits to their existence. Vlad is a hardass. He would consider them expendable to save face.
Kind of like Hillary and Obama in Benghazi.
Ehhhh ... Summoning shrill voice " at his point what difference does it make"
Indeed just like the poor sailors on the USS Liberty, all governments are populated by self serving sociopaths
Q: How do you sink a Swedish sub?
A: Give it a Norwegian crew.
Reminds me of a joke I heard when I was in Denmark a long time ago.
"Keep Denmark clean, bring a drunken Swede to the ferry". Swedes would come over to Denmark to get drunk because alcohol was so expensive in Sweden that it paid off to take the ferry to Denmark and binge drink.
It works with Finland as a destination, too.
Do they there also add a vomiting agent to Spiritus to stop people from drinking that?
"Only Germany, Poland, Russia and Switzerland have own fleets of submarines". Huh, Switzerland?
Written by a geographically challenged Tyler?
Had to check this out.
A Google search on Swiss Navy Submarine brought up Wikipedia and globalfirepower.com - which didn't mantion one - and then an article on ZH.
This one.
Tyler scoops the story again!
swedish military fishing for increase in military spending ... swedish media has swallowed the bait ... until they actually can prove anything it will just be a bunch of military ship burning fuel
When the Swedish water bomb again after 30+ years, let's see if they recover some US or UK dogtags from the seabed afterwards.
Sources say that it's this submarine that is in trouble:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdl1v9Y1hsk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_submarine_Dmitri_Donskoi_%28TK-208%29
You may be getting junked because the wiki is wrong. An Akula isn't a Typhoon class.
The world's longest submarine, carrying balistic missiles, sneaking around in Sweeden's rock-bound coastal waters? That seems extraordinarily unlikely.
unnamed sources will say anything, dudeface.
Pretty sure they wouldn't say "dudeface" and destroy any credibility at all.
Or you'll find their pantyhose drying on your shower curtain rod in a day or two. Asking you if that is really all the scotch you have, with a sour look.
And I suppose you've never seen viedoklis inhale a plate of fried chicken and waffles . It's otherworldly.Whiskey on the rocks?
Sweden had a military?
Since the russians have denied having a damaged vessel in the swedish water, we are going to sink anything we find no matter if it is russian, polish or american. If they would have confirmed having a vessel in swedish waters it would have been a rescue operation.
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"we are going to sink anything we find"
Who is 'we'?
It's in the water, so it must be a wet dream.
The HMS Visby looks like the Swedish military ship designers failed Origami 101.
Yes, but it packs a nasty suprise to submarines: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rXc9FUGfEU
The Swedish Armed Forces have just denied both that there were any Russian distress transmissions or any other transmissions - in fact, they've said tonight in a press conference approximately 90 minutes ago that they have no evidence for anything, no submarines, not any evidence of where any intrusion came from, etcetera.
Svenska Dagbladet is globalist mouthpiece, while better than most other Swedish media, it is still quite unreliable.
We have a new government in Sweden, and given all the funding cuts over the last year and that this new government is filled with communist fools, this is probably a military psy-op to try and increase funding for the military. Seriously, you've no idea what a joke our armed forces have become.
And what are sweed doing there all weekend and that russian ship going around these days? For nothing?
yeah.... right...
Helicopters, minesweepers and 200 service personnel mobilised in search after tipoff about ‘foreign underwater activity’
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/19/sweden-search-russian-subma...
How about gathering valuable intelligence on Swedish armed forces capabilities and operation?
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To viedoklis_lv:
From your previous posts, it is quite obvious that you are a Baltic state (Latvia?) or Ukrainian troll. Who gives a fuck about the Russian ship going in circles? I don't. Because Swedish ships are regularly outside of Kaliningrad, eavesdropping. That's what militaries do in peace time - they conduct surveillance and play games with each other.
Hey, there's now totally unconfirmed Twitter spam about a Russian Akula class having actually sunk in the Stockholm archipelago - originating from another one of the crazy "Slava Ukraine"-Ukro-Nazi fools. Why don't you start a new comment thread where you declare this "fact"? Knock yourself out...
Strange for it to be at the weekend. Overtime perhaps?
Your Ministry of Justice, under Beatrice Ask, and its arrest of Assange for rape, rivals anything Herr Himmler did.
Dag Hammarskjöld!
Amazing... The wine-sniffing, cheese-nibbling girlyman Euroweenies freak out like PMS'ing women at the mere thought that big bad Vlad might have a sub off one of their coasts. They are such lame pussies, who are scared of their own shadows, that they may deserve to be bred into extinction by the hordes of Muslims and Africans who are overruning their piss-ant, debt-ridden, inbred little shitstain countries.
Hell, one has to wonder what the Euroweenies will do if Vlad ever does actually flick a booger or fart their way.
Ha ha! Come and get us then, descendats of the leftovers of the nations you look down upon. Nobody wants to be american. All i hear when I'm in the states is "i'm half german" or "I'm proud to be Irish". if you are black, you are "african american", and even the original population wants to be called "native american". We are not afraid of muslims or africans. We are afraid of becoming as ignorant and stupid as the average US citizen. But that will never happen. The survival of the fittest will take care of that problem since we will rather breed with anyone else than obese, lazy, unemployed, food stamp collecting half morons who can't point out their own country on a world map.
I feel like some Swedish meatballs! I'm told that IKEA has some great ones!
They are GOOD not Great.
Great are the Greek Keftedes , more taste and substance, Small fried (keftedakia) with Alcoholic drinks or Bigger ones in white or red sauce similar to the Swedish ones. On a small Greek Island I found some great meat balls (keftedes) and when I went back for more I was told they were gone. A swedish family had wiped them out and a large teenager was there for seconds before me.
The Swedes were going to say it was an ISIS sub containting the Ebola virus, but some smart arse persuaded them that a Russian sub would be more believable.
"Only Germany, Poland, Russia and Switzerland have own fleets of submarines."
Swiss u-boats?
The fingernail clipper on the expensive model is very helpful. And the toothpick, too.
I found a proof - it's personal Putins sub
LOOK at it
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/azlok/18767118/48706/48706_original.jpg
No problem.
I'm not spending my time here to make you laugh or cry.
'm Commentator, have so much fun with it.
I write about things that I believe can illustrate other small minds.
If you can not grasp the idea of Brazilian mood transcribed by google, your problem.
hehe.
Hang on, Jonesy. If I can get you close enough, can you track this sucker?
Yes, sir. Now that I know what to listen for, I'll bag him.
Carry on.
"the swedish armed forces"... hahahah
The few people who would have been patriotic enough to risk their lifes defending Sweden got bullied away from the country long time ago. Now that the Swedish military is almost totally disarmed its only good enough to assist the more and more helpless police in bullying the taxpayers. Going after real criminals is way to dangerous to be any fun for the hipsters, anti racists and enivorment defence troops now that they consist of 95% immigratants. Both fysical danger and then of course the risk to offend them in some religious or racial way since they have, eh, the right skincolor...
# Ebola
Ebola hysteria sweeps US schools
The drastic measures across the United States follow news that the CDC is not entirely sure how to control the virus.
latest:
http://tersee.com/#!q=ebola&t=text
It's the West fault. The decadent, full of warmongering idiots, totalitarian West. Thanks God we have this beacon of hope that is Russia and its Great Leader Vladimir Putin to set the standard for the world peace!
The thing that is interesting is that when the Kursk sank, they didn't deny it sunk, just that they didn't know after till 6 hours and the Buoy did not deploy. In this case, it would be extremely hard for Russia to hide a submarine, after knowning Sweden is searching high and low for it, if it is damage and thus saying it didn't sink or nothing happened to this supposed sub, is giving me the thought that nothing happened. As well, how did they pick up transmitions when all military transmitions are encrypted? The thing is, both in Finland and Sweden, there is huge NATO push for these nations and when the people said no, there is a larger number of "incidences" where Russian's are supposedly involved in going into their airspace or territorial waters.
Also, why would they claim the Losharik is the sub? It is a search and rescue nuclear submarine....
Edit: As well, this happened yesterday. Right now, it is 12 in the morning, Monday, in Moscow. There would have been something more already. If the sub was in distress, the crew would be dead by now. So if there was something, the oil tanker may have been there to pick it up and its crew, picked its crew up, or it covered the submarine as it moved back to homebase, from the aircrafts.
They did it again: Swedish Navy is hunting a 'Russian' phantom submarine.
Andrei, you've lost another submarine?
This is a replay of the story from early 1980s. Back then, it was reported Soviet subs infiltrating Stockholm sound. There were numerous sightings but nothing was found. Years later a government commission found out that Norwegian Navy located the sub but let it go on orders from the highest level of the government. Olof Palme a contemporary prime minister, later assassinated, was suspected.
'man made object' in the water -- like Ebola??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg139clg5sA
They didn't find a russian sub but did find a malaysian jet liner.
Time for Obama to appoint another czar. Must be some more PR flacks looking for a well paying, taxpayer funded job.
Wow, I was almost thinking Will Smith and Independance Day, then they mentioned a man made item. Thank God! So, big deal, like it doesn't happen both ways. No alien invasion tonight, sleep well people.
Sounds like we could be coming to an egg on the face time for Putin and the Russian bear. I wonder when they will ask for help?
BUT WE'RE PROLLY NOT
mystery solved? - a privately owned minisubmarine operating in the stockholm archipelago just about in the area of observations
http://privat.djuronaset.com/aktiviteter/nedstigning-med-u-bat/
and on video...
http://www.tv4.se/nyhetsmorgon/klipp/maria-forsblom-pr%C3%B6var-livet-un...
....of all the observations done over the years by private citizens I bet this submarine is to blame for a few...but dont let this stop the hunt for russian spetznaz troops
Did you know water can boil at room temp? Studied submarines all day today. Thanks ZH.
Latest reports indicate that Sweden has deployed its most powerful weapon.................. Lutefisk!!!
baby down down down down down down
I just wanted to say to all my ZH friends. If you wish to escape from all of this disaster that has become our world for just a moment of time and to just be able to laugh because it's funny and for no other reason. Not Obama, not Putin, not Ebola, not ISIS, not anything other than its just fun.
Then go. Go now and immediately watch......Airplae the movie.
GO NOW AND..................LAUGH.
That is all.
this just in
NATO and Obama have a fondness for false flags. A penchant for puting Russia on the defensive, having to deny the lies out of Washington and Brussels.
And in this case Stockholm.
In the mysterious case of the submerged submarine or moped (!) that Sweden turned into an autumn Easter Egg Hunt, it looks like it came back to bite Sweden's hairy butt.
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20141020/194308796/Russia-to-Ban-Imports-of-Cars...
Gee, I wonder if that affects all Sweden's exports of Volvos and Saabs to Russia?
Rear Admiral Grenstad, on the Flagship HMS Herring, is quoted as saying , "I don't know who's out there. I just vant to be alone."
This is a fake submarine scare like in 1982, when US and UK sumarines violated swedish territory. This is known only in Sweden, where a peace researcher has written a 300 pages book on the historical incidents. It's called "The secret war against Sweden" by Ola Tunander. Google it !
Former US Defence secretary Casper Weinberger has admitted it in 2000. For german language readers have a look at:
http://staatsstreich.at/u-boot-jagd-nichts-neues-unter-der-mitternachtss...
This is fake submarine scare as in 1982, when US and UK submarines violated swedish territory. This is a FACT and former US Defense Secretary Casper Weinberger has admitted it. A Swedish professor has written 300 pages on these 1982 incidents. Ola Tunander, "Secret war against Sweden". Google it !
For german language readers have a look at:
http://staatsstreich.at/u-boot-jagd-nichts-neues-unter-der-mitternachtss...
I did google it.
Sweden isn't drinking the kool-aid?
And I thought of 'Kursk'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KlVuyjLmG8
There's a heck of a wobble
As the World turns.
The Russian sub got lost because it was using the Apple mapping app.
I read today in Russian news that their view is it might be a Dutch submarine they are looking for.
http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20141020/194324411/Submarine-Sought-by-Sw...
yea lets listen to propaganda. Many would interpet this as confirmation. Just like Russia tried to the MH17 on Ukraines mlitary. There is always enough RT sheep around to swallow it and then go preaching.
But I guess it is good for Sweden that Russia has confirmed it is not Russian. Now Sweden don't have to worry about negative impact on rleations with Russia if they find something and destroy it.
yea lets listen to propaganda. Many would interpet this as confirmation. Just like Russia tried to the MH17 on Ukraines mlitary. There is always enough RT sheep around to swallow it and then go preaching.
But I guess it is good for Sweden that Russia has confirmed it is not Russian. Now Sweden don't have to worry about negative impact on rleations with Russia if they find something and destroy it.
somebody needs to fire the proof reader.
swiss submarine fleet?
Yeah, that one sure caught me by surprise!
Maybe they rent deep-water port space from Brussels. :)
Netherlands vs. Sweden, spy vs. spy.
This is the biggest hoax since Orson Welles' War of the Worlds in October 1938.
Except the media today is ten times more culpable.
Hitler blamed the Jews for everything. The American Media blames Russia for everything.
HEIL HITLER, MAINSTREAM MEDIA
Seeing as I called this last night, I guess I should recap it for the gang.
Three, four days ago, Sweden's military (if it can be called that) announced that a foreign, submerged vessel was lurking in the waters around Stockholm, up to no good.
The Western Press, now known as the EU's propaganda machine, immediately flooded the world with stories about it being a disabled Russian sub.
The liars of the American propaganda machine competed with each other as to who could be the most egregious purveyor of false information.
Sunday night Moscow put out a story:
Aimed, no doubt, at the stockholders of Volvo and Saab.
Today this story appears:
STOCKHOLM, October 21 (RIA Novosti) - The Swedish Armed Forces admitted Monday evening that they have failed to maintain transparency and issued false information about the whereabouts of the alleged foreign submarine in the Stockholm archipelago.
"The Armed Forces are conducting an intelligence operation in the Stockholm archipelago. . . We are supposed to do this with maximum transparency while preserving operational secrecy. This is how a credible, correct authority should and must act to preserve public confidence. It must be said that the Armed Forces in a sense have failed at this," Sweden's Armed Forces said in a statement.
On Sunday, Sweden's Armed Forces released a photograph of an object, suspected to be a foreign submarine in the Stockholm archipelago and a map, allegedly showing where the photo was taken. The area of the sighting was reported to be Jungfrufjärden, a fjard near the settlement of Dalarö south of Stockholm.
However, an investigation carried out by Sweden's public broadcaster SVT showed that no locations in the area matched the photograph. After being confronted by the SVT's journalists, Swedish forces admitted issuing false information to avoid "helping foreign powers".
"In retrospect, I should have been clearer during the press conference that I was showing a map with the approximate positions because I did not wish to reveal any exact positions with regard to the operation," deputy operational director Anders Grenstad said late Monday.
Swedish forces first launched a major operation off the coast of Stockholm on Friday after receiving information, reportedly from a civilian, about the presence of an unknown underwater object in the region, suspected to be a foreign submarine.
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Karin Enstrom, the Swedish defense minister, said "We are an active partner with NATO and we want to deepen our partnership with NATO." August 27, 2014.
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Here's what happened: Rasmussen or Breedlove approached the Swedish military after Reinfeldt's recent loss to Lofven. They had a twofer. They'd assert that a citizen photographed a vessel in Sweden's territorial waters, near the capital, no doubt Russian. Then the Propaganda Machinery of the West would run as far and as long as they could with it, with no evidence.
1) This would embarrass Russia and Putin just as Greenpeace had done and Russia's law against gay propaganda for minors.
2) It would put Lofven on the spot, making him choose between being a leftie or being tough with Russia.
Then yesterday Russia announced a possible ban on imports of cars heavy, equipment ....
And today Sweden's bald rear admiral had to tap dance on the chilly waters of Jungfrufjarden where the fictitious Russian ship and her ghostly crew were last seen
DER FLIEGENDE RUSSLANDER
Da dum dum, da dumte dum.