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Living The Grecovery Dream: Two Jobless Parents, Two Kids, One Cat All Living In A Car
Squeezed between steering wheel, handbrake, door and dashboard, Katerina reads in her history book, takes notes for school. Next to her, on the driver’s seat, cat Eddy stares right in the camera lens. It may look like a cute snapshot on a sunny day, if it wasn’t for a sad detail: a withering spring stuck in a roll of toilet paper. A distinctive memory of a former normal life that turned into a grim reality for a family of four.
At night the seat where Katerina sits during the day turns into a bed for her sister Fay. Cat Eddy cuddles with Katerina on the back seat. Father Nikos and mother Maria sleep in shifts on the driver’s seat. When the one parent is in the car, the other spends the night on a bench of the park where the car has been parked, on a side road of Irakleio suburb of West Athens. “It’s dangerous when it gets dark,” Maria says “we have to watch out.”
With both parents without a job and all savings already spent, the family of four has been living in the uncomfortable environment of an old car for the last two weeks. They were evicted from the home they were renting due to a mountain of outstanding debts to the landlord and utility companies.
Nikos and Maria at their late 40′s, Fay and Katerina aged 16 and 14, packed a few things, took their pet in their arms and made their old car their new home.
“The girls started to cry when we told them that we’re going to live in the car,” Maria told the reporter of Sunday newspaper Proto Thema that revealed the story. “The first night in the car was the most difficult, psychologically,” Maria adds with a trembling voice.
“We had our decent home, our cooked food, we offered our kids what they needed. I could never think that I will end up like that at my 49. We knew that times are tough, but never thought that we will end up on the street,” Maria said.
It’s Greece’s new homeless: decent families who lost everything due to economic crisis and austerity measures and they live their own hell in social isolation in a collapsed welfare state.
Decent families who live from charity aid, food packages, soup kitchens or neighbors’ help.
Decent families who cannot even enjoy a warm bed and a proper shower, a home-cooked meal, a flower in the vase.
The story of the family is common to many Greek households with no extraordinary means and salaries. Their economic decline started in 2012, when the bakery where Nikos was working closed down. Maria, who was working as a school traffic woman, was fired. The family managed to survive using the thin compensation Nikos received after being fired. Both parents tried to find new jobs but without result. Soon all the money available for the family was vanished.
In Greece of Samaras’ success story and IMF’s wrong calculations, there are hardly job vacancies available after four full years of recession.
According to official statistics, 27 percent, that is 1.3 million people are unemployed, the majority of them long-term jobless. These numbers refer only to employees and not to self-employed or free-lancers. Unemployment allowance is just 365 euro per month for the duration of total 12 months independently of the years of work life.
At the same time, more than 60% of the country’s population lives either in poverty or is at risk of poverty. According to State Budget Office of the Greek Parliament, 2.5 million Greeks live below the line of relative poverty and another 3.8 million people are at risk of poverty. “Relative poverty” is defined when a family of four has less than 908 euro per month.
Being one of the country’s 1.3m unemployed for more than three years, father Nikos managed to find a job at the kiosk. For 300 euro per month. The money maybe enough to feed the family or cover elementary needs but hardly rent and utility bills. Official statistics define as “Relative poverty” the monthly income of below €908 for a family of four.
Maria told the Proto Thema reporter that it was their pride that has hindered them so far from seeking charity aid and possible beds at the Homeless Shelter.
The story of the new-homeless family shocked the public opinion and mobilized a lot of Greeks who urged the media to open a bank account so that they could send donations. Many offered food and clothing and even work.
A man called at a TV-news magazine featuring the drama of the family and offered a home for the family to live in free of charge.
Deputy Labor Minister Vasilis Kerkeroglou intervened in one of the morning TV-news magazines reporting on the fate of the family and said that there was a plan on the way to shelter 1,500 homeless and that “half of them could even find a job.”
When the plan will be implemented in real life, it is not known yet.
PS thank God, the government has plans for the poor, who turned poor after the government taxed also the poor, apart from destroyed any effort for growth and development…
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cat recipes?
The cat does look a little nervous in that picture, doesn't it?
I thought the Cat Bounced
Strong family. Sure they can go through this tough time together.
Looks a lot like the rest area parking lot along I-25 at Fort Collins, Colorado.
Coming to a town near you soon, if not already.
BECAUSE OBAMA!!
This will be much of the US when the petrodollar finally falls and the country can't print benefits anymore.
+1 Zaphod.
It's only when the tide goes out that you can see who's been swimming naked.
When the real recession hits America, then you'll see the 50% of citizens who have no assets (only debt) go from living 'paycheck-to-paycheck' to living in their cars...
Wait a minute... Doesn't anybody in this family have any extended family or friends? To turn to for support, companionship, healing? I swear they must be all braindead or assholes or a combination of both to have nowhere to go or no plan B.
Of course, this describes the American majority living in LaLaLand. This is the time to make REAL connection and community. Fuck the farcebook community. Before the gas and water get shut off. Before the psyche is deluded to the void.
Pride.
Not sure what their story is...but pride will keep me away from begging until hunger takes hold. Not saying this is correct,,,just the way it is for many.
Whos fault is that? You get to choose a life with connections or disconnections. If pride destroys you, well that's your fault.
Solution: drive to a channel port. Take a ferry to Engand. On the passage you "convert" to Islam. England will give you everything. A home, welfare, free medical care.
Pretend Muslim. Its how you survive today.
Poor kitty.
Bad curry.
In America it is important to be Hispanic professing a Muslim religion. It used to be enough to be black but the progressives discovered that blacks were never going to reproduce enough to become a voting power block, Even with Aid for Dependent Children, so now its Hispanics, legal or not, who are the new oppressed class that we must bow in shame to, financially thrashing ourselves with affirmative action type mentalities. White folks just gotta pay. Pay for the sins of our forefathers, or at least someone's forefathers.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/08/26/Jerry-Brown-to-Mexica...
The Hispanic voting block potentially will yield a much greater bang for the buck than the black vote. Its about numbers...votes. And everyone likes power and money for nothing.
Pride doesn't destroy you.....Pride gets you out of bed in the morning, and it ought to also get you out of a car seat. But it's a balance...the same pride that gets you up, might be the pride that gets supressed when you take a job in a restaurant just for scraps...not dollars.
Do you? I have no extended family in my country.
No friends either? Am I supposed to feel bad for you?
I don't feel sorry for you being an ignorant prick...
Yeah that may have been a low blow, but if you decide to build a life with no support mechanisms, well that's like building a ship with no lifeboats. Good luck out there! 'And in the End, The love you take is equal to the love you make.' -who cares who wrote that horseshit, right? Meh-
How far do you want to push a friendship?
I will not take what I can't find a way to repay and uncertain times mean uncertain future repayment. I would not ask that friends put their own children at risk for my well-being. We are men & we must persevere with our own skills & means.
I'm not on facebook so I'm just fucked I guess. If only there was a collective to care for me. The stress of personal responsibility is just too much.
Its not a lack of friends that puts someone in this position, it is a lack of planning, a lack of accurately visualizing reality...the risks of dependency. The collective WANTS you to spend every dollar...they WANT to drive savings out on the street. NOT to stimulate the economy but to be sure that very few if any have any ability to stand on their own. With no savings there is no freedom, no liberty. Even without debt, living hand to mouth each day is resting your dependency upon a system that we do not control. We have bought the lie. We all want nice things...especially if we can't afford them..we need to feel better about ourselves and the more broke we are, the more we NEED to spend. This is an addiction to dependency NO different than any drug sold by a pusher. They make it VERY easy to get hooked and once on, you pay their price, no matter what.
People living in their cars should be a warning to us all, but unfortunately most will simply take it as a message that we need MORE government intervention, more welfare, more food stamps, more collectivization of wealth...not less.
We are doomed
NOT a particularly pleasant lifestyle. And not that uncommon too amongst the "disenfranchised". There were more than a few similar cases in Margaret Thatcher's UK, and surviving the typical cold, wet UK winter in a typical small uninsulated European car would have been far from pleasant.
WHilst this is obviously a big problem in Greece, it's not just Greece - even in "Comfortably Off Australia" we have people living in cars (often for extended periods), owing the cost / unavailability of conventional shelter. Of course, at the other end of the "Market", there are the very well-off "Grey Nomads" with their flotilla of Investment Properties, touring Australia in "their" version of home on wheels - http://thegreynomads.com.au/
This standard of accomodation is commonplace - http://liveimages.editorial.carsales.com.au/caravancamping/general/editorial/ge5507368071137621914.jpg?width=298
Which is about as far removed from the experience of the Greek family as you'll get.
Australia's carbon tax was such a disaster that much of the 2013 Prime Minister election was centered around the tax.
In the year after Australia’s carbon tax was introduced, household electricity prices rose 15%, including the biggest quarterly increase on record.
The job market had previously been stable, but after Australia’s carbon tax, the number of unemployed workers rose by more than 10%.
As a result of these negative impacts, Australians spoke loud and clear on election day when they voted in Tony Abbott as Prime Minister. The Labor Party, once a staunch supporter of the carbon tax, is now distancing itself from the carbon tax. The carbon tax was repealed this summer.
Many U.S. Democrats and left-wing environmentalists continue to support implementing a similar system in the U.S. Senator Mark Udall from Colorado touted his support for a price on carbon dioxide emissions. Californians are in for a big surprise this January as a new bump at the gas pump will add a projected 13 to 20 cents per gallon as a result of California's cap and trade program.
Not everyone has extended family numb nutz...
Does group home staff count as extended family?
Their extended family was mainly Germany, who paid for all their phoney debt and socialism. "Dad" got fed up and sent them off to care for themselves.
This is a sad story, but 3 billion people world wide have been living in worse conditions. Something like 80% world wide earn less than $10 a day. There never were enough productive jobs to go around, and there never will be.
At least the greeks have been able to get by thru money printing and fraud. Now we see the end game for that.
50 million inner city americans should watch this space. They still have time to ditch the apple products, cell phone and cable bills and expensive sneakers and save something for the inevitable shock. Will they wise up. F*** no.
Thank you for your post. The Greeks have been sacrificed as the head scout into the restructuring of the West for the NWO to instigate their plan for a depopulated planet. Too many unsupportable slaves. Useless eaters. Who's going down? You? Me? Who goes down depends on YOU and YOUR PLANNING. That includes who you hang with on an intimate basis. Friends. Family. Whoever you can hold on to.
Downtrodden Americans will be far more fortunate...they have larger cars!
Larger exterior, but not necessarily interior.
Potential significant increase in the perceived value of second-hand small panel vans, or even School Buses - http://mentalfloss.com/article/52933/15-creative-converted-school-buses
Sure beats living out of one of these for six months (OK, it was in a warmer part of the World!) - http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MzgzWDU3NQ==/z/z78AAOxyVLNS1AtD/$_35.JPG, even with the "extra space" offered by the pull-out awning (luxury!) - http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/uploads/cars/land_rover/4704815.jpg
Some Folks with SMART CARS will be truly fucked!
In the 30's families camped in the truck beds or beside the road on their way to hopefully somewhere better. My family ended up in the Colorado Rockies because that was where the last tire blew out and there was no money to fix it.
This IS our modern day Grapes of Wrath.
Let it all wash away.
.
reset.
Yes, but how, and then what ? Might well be worse for some time - in which case the people who already lost everything are going to survive how (example above) ??? It's a mess now, and will be a mess after a reset, IMO. Rough waters are already here for many and lay ahead for societies around the globe.
Holding on to my minivan...thing is going to be worth its weight in gold.
I've noticed the homeless in my area skyrocket in the last 10 years. Not sure if its locals or just people moving into the area. Winter has got to suck (we were below 0F a lot last year).
The US is a sovereign nation, they can always print.
Note to self....at least have a small van or a pickup with a camper that you can sleep in comfortably (yes, a 30 inch wide, 4 inch thick memory foam mattress is more comfortable than what 99% of the world sleeps on......and, for the record, I do)
BECAUSE OBAMA!!
~"Obama Administration Quietly Prepares 'Surge' Of Millions Of New Immigrant IDs"~
And where pray tell will they work? Maybe they can move straight into vehicles...
Muddy +15 for your observation. GREECE? I thought the interview was at the local WalMart! GO LONG WALMART PARKING LOTS.
All local shelters are now long term housing for many. Tough to squat when temps dip below 20F. The November exodus is on for homeless to make their way to Tucson, Phoenix, LV, and all of SoCal. Hey, you have mild yuear round weather, time to SHARE IT. The Joad's have hit the road again. Grapes of Wrath, Part 20.
Do WalMart charge a fee for overnight parking? With the Waltons' certain concern over their dwindling retail sales, renting overnight (or longer-term) carpark space for the "newly mobile lifestyle" families might be a secure, and expanding, income stream.
Who knows, some of their "Campers" may even be WalMart employees - so "Staff quickly on hand" in a crisis might be a double benefit?
(Some years ago we borrowed an RV in the UK and "camped out" overnight is one or two Motorway Service areas. We WERE charged an overnight fee - not much, about 5 Pounds (Stg), but this was in a smaller Service Area. I'm told (by regular Caravanners "over there") that the Service Areas on major Motorways (M1 for example) charge up to 15 Pounds a NIGHT - but you do have a pretty good level of services including washroom facilities. This is an overnight fee on a par with many Caravan Parks, which makes one think a little!!
I MF's U!
U MF's deserve no sympathy....
Check out the documentary Life and Debt
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/life_and_debt
and this, if called:
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/04/15/the-death-of-empathy/
European Unity just makes me so proud! A happy future like this is what everyone South and West of the Alps has to look forward to.
Just be careful when one of your southern neighbors invites you over for "dinner". They look mighty hungry.
A still from "Eating Rauol..."
One benefit of European unity is that this Greek family can work anywhere in the EU.
I fully realize how hard it can be to pick up and emigrate at the age of 49 with two teenaged kids, but what is preventing this family from striking out to better environments (yes, they exist in the EU)? If for no other reason, than to spare their daughters from graduating university and becoming prostitutes for lack of alternatives?
Human history is full of migration waves for escaping scenarios like the cesspool Greece has become. What is keeping this family in place??
Thesis: Whereas 100+ years ago people without two nickles to rub together somehow found ways of emigrating thanks to the absence of nanny states and upbringings espousing self-reliance, today's would-be EU emigrants are effectively dumb cattle because of decades of socialist policies. This family has the potential to die in their car waiting for the state to save them.
FYI.
Lots of Spanish, Italians and Greeks appearing in Berlin. Also Russians, Poles and Ukranians, who all get along just fine BTW outside their own countries.
I'm just sick of seeing this so called austerity blamed for everything. So, the solution is that the govts should just keep borrowing and taxing ever greater amounts of money until prosperity is achieved? Since that has NEVER worked in history. Ever. Another point, which of these countries engaged in 'austerity' have actually reduced their debts? Because simply saying we were going to run a 5% of GDP deficit, but only came in at 3.5% or whatever, is not fucking austerity. I do feel bad for these people, for they naively believed their lying politicians. This isn't a lesson that so called austerity is evil and the gpvt should 'do something' ( which means spend more money it doesn't have) it should serve as a lesson to all people what happens when you allow any govt to have that much control over your lives, your economy, and believe their empty promises. More freedom is the answer, not more govt spending and debt
Government is a necessary evil, but it is evil none the less.
Bullshit. The government is NOT a necessary evil.
The government is only needed when people cannot take care of themselves. It is only needed when you raise generations of people to not be able to look after themselves, but instead look towards others to provide. Works great until the day the government can no longer provide. That is Greece today. The US was built by people who took care of themselves and looked to no one else to provide. But that mindset/culture has been eradicated.
When the benefit train stops in the US (and it will someday) all of the suffering you will witness will be the result of generations of dependancy, and the people responsible will be those who encouraged a mindset of entitement at the expense of self reliance and hard work.
Yeah, they should just homestead a bit of land and build a cabin and subsistence farm ... oh wait, there is no more land to homestead.
The mantra of self reliance makes no sense when all the commons have been enclosed. What you're actually saying is FUGM.
There is plenty of fertile land available in Texas for very reasonable prices, and interest rates have never been lower. It isn't free, but nothing worthwhile is.
Austerity is bullshit because it's taxpayer money going towards bankster interest and debt, instead of essential services.
Taxes go up, services get cut, banksters get rich.
Goldman Sachs got Greece into this mess, and now the blowhards blame the poor family living in a car for the crimes of Goldman Sachs.
And greenskeeper gets a ton of upvotes for it too? Bullshit.
I thought we were on zero hedge because we hate on banksters, and not the common people being steamrolled over by them.
Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein should be the one's living out of their cars. It would be a waste of tax dollars to put them in jail.
"I thought we were on zero hedge because we hate on banksters, and not the common people being steamrolled over by them."
Some of us hate big government hucksters more because they raise our taxes and then reduce our services while getting paid off by the banksters.
Sure, the bank is going to give a loan to somoene with little knowledge of farming to start a small farm ... when small farmers are being squeezed out as it is.
I never said to homestead, quit putting words in others mouths. I said to be able to take care of oneself. That means to be able to find work to do for others who value and pay you enough to live off of. It also means to save and accumalate savings in younger years for older years.
Never been on a homestead and have no fantasies of doing so, but am still self-reliant and have flexible options if there is a SHTF moment because I've worked hard, saved and prepared.
The market is absolutely awash with independent contractors and service providers already ... if you're the best of the rest then sure you can make money there, but not everyone can be the best of the rest.
What you're advocating is not self reliance, it's reliance on economic niches being available AND your ability to fill them better than anyone else. Neither is guarantueed and neither is purely based on your own efforts.
zaphod...how is Bangkok?
I miss Ban Chang....
Although homesteading is nonexistent unless they still do it in Alaska Marco, 90% of the land in the USA is still undeveloped. Almost all of it oqwned by our government and mostly in the Western United States.
ideological horseshit.
grow up.
And who better to eradicate this notion of self reliance than government? Nothing is necessarily evil, but the collectivization of power is the most fertile ground possible for it to grow in. I'm tired of theory. Theory is bullshit used to sell us on something that has never existed. Self reliance is the backbone of our survival yet theory wants to tell us we can throw that aside and latch our puckered lips on the teat of government dependency and life will become utopia. Speaking of growing up, our first action to independent and survivable life is weaning from the tit, not migrating to ever larger ones.
Well said! Bravo! But not popular, when everyone is bent on playing 'victim' and searching for (always rich) "villains".
It's not called 'fauxterity' for nothing...
We desperately need higher, much higher, unemployment here - to WAKE PEOPLE UP.
"...they naively believed their lying politicians...." And "economists". And priests. And newspaper, magazine, radio, and television "experts", who ALWAYS say "spend more".
"So, the solution is that the govts should just keep borrowing and taxing ever greater amounts of money until prosperity is achieved?"
Creating more claims on energy*. Taxes are irrelevant to modern economics, they are entirely political.
Yes, if you ask the average voter, we should use debt to subsidize energy production until there is literally none of it left to "produce". It can never be repaid any way, even from where we are now. Because the other option is true austerity. The dreaded, must-never-be-imagined L word: less: energy and everything else. The only ways to postpone that are: 1) scientific-technological breakthrough yielding EROEI ratios similar to crudle oil in the good old days or 2) every-growing debt to defer ever-increasing costs of ever-diminishing supplies of (usable) energy.
Place your bets.
Since all 'money' is borrowed into existence at interest, including the 'money' required to pay the interest, THE DEBT CAN NEVER BE PAID.
THIS IS A MATHEMATICAL FACT.
KILL ALL THE BANKERS.
@JB
I'm glad you get it.
Eh no, you're wrong. Yes it can be paid off.
It's just excruciatingly painful economically to do so and allows the banker to "skim" from everything.
Would you like me to show you?
Boom!
Person A borrows $100 into existence from Banker B at 30% interest.
A: 100
B: -100
Time passes.
A: 100
B: -100 debt and -30 interest debt
A pays the interest and 30 off the principal.
A: 30
B: -70 debt and now has 30 cash.
B buys 30 worth of goods and services from A. <--- Banker skimming from the economy for free. Notice also the deflation.
A: 60
B: -70
Time passes.
A: 60
B: -70 debt and -21 interest debt
A pays the interest and 30 off the principal.
A: 9
B: -40 debt and now has 21 cash.
B buys 21 worth of goods and services from A. <--- Banker skimming from the economy for free. Notice also the deflation.
A: 30
B: -40
Time passes
A: 30
B: -40 debt and -12 interest debt
A pays the interest and 18 off the principal. This would have to be negotiated probably due to it not being the specified amount of 30.
A: 0 <---- Notice just how painful this is getting for A?
B: -22 debt and now has 12 cash
B buys 12 worth of goods and services from A. <--- Banker skimming from the economy for free. Notice also the deflation.
A: 12
B: -22
Time passes.
A: 12
B: -22 debt and -6.6 interest debt
A pays the interest and 5.4 off the principal.
A: 0 <---- poor sod.
B: 16.6 and now has 6.6 in cash to spend.
B buys 6.6 worth of goods and services from A. <--- Banker skimming from the economy for free. Notice also the deflation.
etc. etc. Point being the loan can in fact be paid off, but the values get closer and closer asymptotically to $0 money in the economy. So it's all deflation apart from the original boom created by the loan in the first place. And A is getting fucked for ever as the bankers skim from everything in the economy.
I still recommend rope for the bankers though. I also recommend paper money because it can pay multiple debts off, but credit bookeeping money can only pay 1 debt.
Today in Europe we're leveraged out 100:1 so you could expect 99% deflation while attempting to pay the debts off.
Austerity may force these countrys to reform their bloated public pension systems and cut the incredible level of tax evasion of the wealthy who have been fleecing the system,
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get rid of the cat....get a dog......these markets are drivin me crazy....Like I don't have enuff ....Crazy
A faithful cat (is there such a thing?) will catch and bring back mice and birds to eat. A dog, not so much.
my cat has always brought me mice. so, i have nothing to worry about when the SHTF and i get shit-canned from my jog and my unemployment runs out...i will always have food so long as I have a cat.
A friend of mine once had a pet roclk. All it ever brought him was mockery.
FealSerf
My little Yorkie catches and kills rabbits in the back yard. So if you like your mice you can keep your mice.
+1 for varmit killers!
The cat's the only one who's armed - teeth & claws - and also can be awake when they're not, in the dark, very easily.
A cat can't fill 4 bellies. A human can feed a cat many times over.
Who's gonna be nervous.
It's okay as long as the corrupt incompetent arrogant narcissistic illegal indonesian kenyan alien muslim sociopathic pathological liar in chief gets to live its overprivileged opulent celebrity grand imperial golf style.
I give you an up-vote.....For the big words but I like the Golf input at the end
that shit aint funny, bitch. and, ill give you my address. ill put you to sleep
I'm 6foot 3 280lbs....you tralkin to me...little boy...there aint to many people here who will put up with your shit
Y'all calm down here... right meow!
+1
Brokenarrow...
My name is Thomas O'Brien
My address is
12223B Woodside Avenue.
Lakeside, CA USA
I am not like just my opinion in this regard. I will give you my address.
Let's go hunting. Bring your guns.
I am in an apartment above Westcoast Pawn.
East County, eh!!!!
Not entirely homeless - at least they have a car to live in. Look at the bright side, can always sell it for scrap metal...
Listen Give.
Who owns the scrap yard? Ab Slimestein?
OH!
Listen seriously folks. The poor poor Americans. They are exceptional and should live a lifestyle of richness and fame. Not like those Greek people, let them live in the streets!
LISTEN...to the flower people...
It is not the Americans, who did this to the Greeks. It was their own beloved government. The Greeks even asked their neighbors(the EU). Well, you see the result.
Americans are so much better off. They have Escalades and camper-top F350s to live in. Plus, taxes are a lot lower than if one has real estate.
Can find that in any us metro area...
But for the grace of God go I...blessed to have a good job, a work ethic, and an education that will keep me in a job were this job to go...my story is likely the story of many ZHers.
Thank you for creating GOD.....must be nice to be so-Awsome
I didn't know there were so many dumb-asses on this site....What is up SAT 800
That's either Doctor Dumbass or Professor Dumbass to you, smart guy. With a doctorate and three different master degrees from three different countries speaking three different languages, I actually know a thing or two about the three different departments I teach in. A lot of people ask to hear me speak on a couple of different continents. So, some anonymous troll on the Internet isn't going to wound my self esteem.
By the way, I'm a dumb ass a lot. You should ask my wife.
Notice that although Neitzsche thought that God was dead, I can actually show you that Neitzsche is dead.
But can you translate Goethe, or can anyone?
Oh I get it. You're one of those dickhead atheists whose opinions trump everyone elses and you just can't help but to spout your crap whenever you get the chance. Yup that is you.
Yeah at least they could believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster who boiled for their sins!
Cause at there's some morality in it and belief in a nutritional higher power.
I like the Sketti-monster.....Sins just get you in jail....other than that....alll fun and games
I have a technical background but make most of my income from sales. I worry for the day someone invents a bullshitting app/program that will make me disposable.
Looks like you have lost weight Mr. Johnson. How is that lovely wife of yours? Great, here is some shit that you should buy.
As somebody who has spent their entire career working in "sales" in one form or another, there is no need to worry about somebody inventing a machine/program/app to do that. It will never happen.
What WILL happen is that they will make people obsolete and there will eventually not be a need for sales.
What WILL happen is that they will make people obsolete and there will eventually not be a need for sales.
That is the biggest worry. No sarc. Most salesman/people worth their muster can just simply sell. Give them a few months..if that of product training..and they are off to the races. That said, I know some really good salescats that are starting to suffer. I, for one, have to do more reacharounds and fluffing lately.
How long are these Greeks going to take this shit? Have they all been drugged up or just made stupid? I thought humans rose up when this kind of shit happens. Like in the US. Obama has absolutely destroyed everything he touches. Where is the insurrection? Whos going to move first?
From news reports, a helluva lot of people MOVED OUT of the stadium while Obozo was speaking.
Someday they create robots or computers to trade worthless pieces of virtual paper with each other.
isn't that already happening - i believe it's called an 'algorhithm' because no one likes the sound of 'automated trading'.
Algorithm is a big word.
The newspeak term for that is algos.
What WILL happen is that they will make people obsolete and there will eventually not be a need for sales.
People being obsolete is just over the horizon, the software is already there just need to go through the hurdles of replacing everyone. In a couple decades most people will be 'long term unemployed.'
Good news though, the people who I know with the highest salaries ($400k+) tend to be in some variation of sales. If you're good at selling stuff you'll probably be among the last to be replaced is my guess. Just don't sell to the plebs.
Every company since the dawn of time has tried to get rid of sales people.
Exactlly. That is why I seek hard to sell products where I can dictate the commish.
In Soviet Russia, salesman buys from you.
It has been my experience that the jobs I had when I made the most money were the ones that put the biggest bull's eye on my back.
Being a highly paid consultant was followed by outsourcing most of the US consulting force to India where entry level programmers were sold as high level consultants.
No one is immune and sales guys are not that special. Salesman will go the way of Real Estate Sales
Sell me this pen....
Yep - won't matter if you can sell ice to an eskimo if the eskimo has no money for the ice since the eskimo was replaced by robots. The only sales people that will survive is those selling toys to the mega-rich. Everything else will be free once the techno rapture occurs (or the 'singularity' as it's otherwise called).
So Google ads isn't that machine already?
Nope. The economy works for us, not us for the economy.
Once they make people obsolete economically, they by definition, make the economic system obsolete.
... Unfortunately I expect the process to involve lots of death and destruction.
Right turn Clyde!
It would be nice to drive around in cirlces in DC for about a week.
Wasn't Miriam Carey driving in circles.
Can you say "Amazon"?
I can relate to your words. In the eighties it wasn't so bad, you may even be able to make an appointment with a prospective client.
With voice mail, screening and so on including the search tools available on the internet, sales people are often regarded as pariah.
There is an upside. No sarc.
When I started back in the mid 90s I had many sits and waited by fax machines and the UPS box.
Now, I have many clients that I have never met face to face. Plus, I no longer have an assistant. Plus....plus..I can make my cold calls anywhere in the world and choose to do so in my underwear.
Most prospects do not even want sits anymore...they just want numbers and a little bullshit so they know that they have been sold.
Dr. Bob. Space Station 76.
That is all :)
There is someting wrong with you....you are a dumb-ass....Oh and my IQ is only 165.....I guess that guess that makes me stupid and you and your god are so smart....good luck with that.....GOD....that a stupid consept
You only have a 165 IQ? You're pulling my leg. Gotta be higher than that. I mean, seriously, look at that masterpiece you just wrote.
I think he is a high school engish teacher.
No....I'm an engineer......I did smoke in the past.....you peeps crack me up
Engineer. So, you are a people person.
Nope...........still just a dip shit.
Just because he went to college doesn't mean he ain't stupid. 165 my ass.
I wasn't going to log in today, but dammit that deserved a +1. I'm a Socially Akward SOB (Engineer) and I resemble that remark.
Your communication skills are exemplary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAY27NU1Jog
One click convenience - for those (like me) that don't have typing skillz
Just my opinion, but I think God made you screw up that post to make you look foolish.
just my opinion...
What is an engineering absurdity?
What number is that? Quantify it please.
What is a logarithm?
What is an Order of Magnitude?
What does a probability of ZERO mean?
What does a probability of ONE mean?
What is the Range of Probabilities?
What is an infinitesimal? Is it a Real Number?
You have enough symbols available to you, on the menu above in a Reply Box, for a Mathematical Response.
Are you an Empiricist? (I am.)
Please continue...
Only thing he missed was spelling stupid with two o's in the middle.
By the way, welcome to Fight Club, kid. Everyone fights their first night.
Ok just-my-o, heres you're khanse. Consentrate hard like. Reals hard, cauz dis is a tough won.
Hint: their is won of thes in the pikchore.
C _ T
Go...
I have no-debt....I own everything that touches this house....I am crazy....but not stupid
I think you meant a 165 IQ in metric terms. That's about 65 in real terms.
What house do they keep you at?
If you live in the United States then you rent your house.
See what happens if you do not pay the state your annual rent?
They will repossess.
@ NoDebt:
You just have to love internet warriors who brag about their intelligence, while simultaneously misspelling a simple word like concept.
Yup... and they fite to death to proove there point.
+1 for the correct use of "there" in this particular context!
Whom here has not misspelled a word?
Are you turning into Grammar Cops because you feel intimidated?
He claimed not to be advanced in the Language Arts and claimed Mathematics to be his forte.
One of my contemporaries, while being schooled, was a brilliant Physicist.
He could neither spell words nor write a coherent English sentence.
He claims to excel in Mathematics. I agree that very few are capable of understanding Math. That will account for an elevated IQ score.
Okay. Let's just see how rational he is.
I asked him some simple questions in a post above. Let's just see how he responds.
(He had best remember that Genius is simplicity. I will dock points for needless complex answers. I am hoping that he dazzles me with brilliance rather than attempts to baffle me with bullshit. Yeah. I enjoyed teaching beginning engineers.)
Are you giving him a test, professor?
"He claims to excel in Mathematics. I agree that very few are capable of understanding Math. That will account for an elevated IQ score. Okay. Let's just see how rational he is. I asked him some simple questions in a post above. Let's just see how he responds.
He had best remember that Genius is simplicity. I will dock points for needless complex answers. I am hoping that he dazzles me with brilliance rather than attempts to baffle me with bullshit. Yeah. I enjoyed teaching beginning engineers."
Sweet mother of mercy! You really are an insufferably pompous ass!
Reminds me of all my buddies who somehow lost their virginities while on vacation to Knott's Berry Farm. More amazing, they all group up in Pasadena.
Ya, who does he think he's fighting here... Edgar Allen Pow?
Many engineers are not great at spelling.
Everyone is smart, but in different ways.
Be all you can't be
on the internet, today !!!