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Top Scientist Warns This Version Of Ebola Looks Like "A Very Different Bug"
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The Economic Collapse blog,
Barack Obama and the head of the CDC need to quit saying that we know exactly how Ebola spreads. Because the truth is that there is much about this virus that we simply do not know. For example, a top Ebola scientist that is working in the heart of the outbreak in Liberia says that this version of Ebola looks like it could be "a very different bug" from past versions. Other leading scientists are echoing his concerns. And yet Barack Obama and Thomas Frieden continue to publicly proclaim that we know precisely how this virus behaves. Not only is that bad science, but it could also potentially result in the unnecessary deaths of a very large number of people. For example, Obama has refused to implement an Ebola travel ban because he is greatly underestimating the seriousness of this virus. This decision could turn out to be incredibly costly. If what you will read about below is true, we could be dealing with some sort of "super Ebola" that nobody has ever seen before.
Peter Jahrling of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease is on the front lines fighting this disease in Liberia. He is one of the top authorities in the world on Ebola, and what his team has been seeing under the microscope is incredibly sobering...
Now U.S. scientist Peter Jahrling of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease believes the current Ebola outbreak may be caused by an infection that spreads more easily than it did before.
Dr Jahrling explained that his team, who are working in the epicentre of the crisis in the Liberian capital of Monrovia, are seeing that the viral loads in Ebola patients are much higher than they are used to seeing.
He told Vox.com: 'We are using tests now that weren't using in the past, but there seems to be a belief that the virus load is higher in these patients [today] than what we have seen before. If true, that's a very different bug.
'I have a field team in Monrovia. They are running [tests]. They are telling me that viral loads are coming up very quickly and really high, higher than they are used to seeing.
'It may be that the virus burns hotter and quicker.'
Other top scientists are making similar observations.
The following comes from a recent article posted on Washington's Blog...
The head of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota – Dr. Michael Osterholm – is a prominent public health scientist and a nationally recognized biosecurity expert.
Dr. Osterholm just gave a talk shown on C-Span explaining that a top Ebola virologist – the Head of Special Pathogens at Canada’s health agency, Gary Kobinger – has found that the current strain of Ebola appears to be much worse than any strain seen before … and that the current virus may be more likely to spread through aerosols than strains which scientists have previously encountered.
I have posted video of that talk on C-Span below...
But even if we were dealing with the exact same strain of Ebola, that does not mean that our leaders are telling us the truth when they say that it is not an airborne virus.
Just check out the following quotes from top scientists about the spread of Ebola from a recent Los Angeles Times article…
Dr. C.J. Peters, who battled a 1989 outbreak of the virus among research monkeys housed in Virginia and who later led the CDC’s most far-reaching study of Ebola’s transmissibility in humans, said he would not rule out the possibility that it spreads through the air in tight quarters.
“We just don’t have the data to exclude it,” said Peters, who continues to research viral diseases at the University of Texas in Galveston.
Dr. Philip K. Russell, a virologist who oversaw Ebola research while heading the U.S. Army’s Medical Research and Development Command, and who later led the government’s massive stockpiling of smallpox vaccine after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, also said much was still to be learned. “Being dogmatic is, I think, ill-advised, because there are too many unknowns here.“
And I have written about this before, but so many people don't know about this that it bears repeating. The following is an excerpt from a news story about a study that was conducted back in 2012 that demonstrated that the Ebola virus can be transferred from one animal to another animal without any physical contact whatsoever...
When news broke that the Ebola virus had resurfaced in Uganda, investigators in Canada were making headlines of their own with research indicating the deadly virus may spread between species, through the air.
The team, comprised of researchers from the National Centre for Foreign Animal Disease, the University of Manitoba, and the Public Health Agency of Canada, observed transmission of Ebola from pigs to monkeys. They first inoculated a number of piglets with the Zaire strain of the Ebola virus. Ebola-Zaire is the deadliest strain, with mortality rates up to 90 percent. The piglets were then placed in a room with four cynomolgus macaques, a species of monkey commonly used in laboratories. The animals were separated by wire cages to prevent direct contact between the species.
Within a few days, the inoculated piglets showed clinical signs of infection indicative of Ebola infection. In pigs, Ebola generally causes respiratory illness and increased temperature. Nine days after infection, all piglets appeared to have recovered from the disease.
Within eight days of exposure, two of the four monkeys showed signs of Ebola infection. Four days later, the remaining two monkeys were sick too. It is possible that the first two monkeys infected the other two, but transmission between non-human primates has never before been observed in a lab setting.
So when Barack Obama and Thomas Frieden get up and tell us that they know with 100% certainty that Ebola is not airborne, they are lying to you.
There is so much about this outbreak that we simply do not know.
Our public officials should be honest about that.
Instead, it seems like they are flying by the seats of their pants and just saying whatever they think will keep everyone calm.
We are potentially facing the greatest health crisis of this generation, and bad science and false assurances are not going to help anyone.
Sadly, Barack Obama just continues to make bad decision after bad decision. This includes his very foolish decision to send thousands of U.S. troops right into the heart of the Ebola death zone.
It is being reported that these troops are only going to get just four hours of Ebola training, and the Pentagon is saying that they "will only need gloves and masks" to protect themselves...
Troops from the 101st Airborne Division leading the military response to Ebola in West Africa will only need gloves and masks to protect themselves from the deadly virus, so said Gen. David Rodriguez at a Pentagon briefing Wednesday.
“They don’t need the whole suit – as such – because they’re not going to be in contact with any of the people,” the commander of U.S. troops in Africa said.
Soldiers from the 101st Airborne will primarily be building hospitals, ultimately leading what could be a contingent of 4,000 American service members. They’ll be housed either in tent cities at military airfields or in Liberian Ministry of Defense facilities, Rodriguez said.
Soldiers’ health will be monitored through surveys and taking their temperature on their way in and out of camps. If a service member does get sick, Rodriguez said they will be flown home immediately for treatment.
Who is going to be held accountable when these young men and women start coming home sick?
So far the federal response to this Ebola crisis has been a parade of incompetence.
And yet we continue to be told that "everything is under control".
I don't know about you, but I have a bad feeling about all of this.
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Just ask the CDC what strain it is....they probably have a patent on it
There's an App for that!!!
these CDC political appointees are out of their league..
and we will be lucky to survive their incompetence...
Mad Scientists at Kenema Unleash Ebola Epidemic: http://winteractionables.com/?p=15750
Interesting fact-based analysis. A quick read.
This Ebola will end up like the Flu, comes around every year, but with a MUCH higher mortality. Both are negative-sense RNA virus.
i still think there's something bigger afoot..
bigger than ebola...
bigger than oil...
that keeps me up at night...
Hey has anyone seen Francis Sawyer lately?
HIS NAME WAS FONZANOON..
Jharling and Peters were in the midst of the Reston outbreak decades ago and know their shit.
Update on the Norwegian Ebola case.
http://news.yahoo.com/norwegian-ebola-patient-cured-aid-group-150617578.html
Just found out some bad news, Francis has Ebola, even shit his pants:
note NSFW: Picture Proof
Why the down votes? Did I hurt some racist feelers out there? Boo Hoo.
BTW here is another pic of Francis combining two of his favorites subjects into on commemorative tattoo:
Note NSFW: Dick Swastiker
#FreeFrancisSawyer
shit bitches,Notus got this
The ebolo deniers kept saying where are the photos: Well I provided one of Francis shitting blood. There is your proof.
That guy? He killed himself when he realized his father ran a small business wherin he bought goods for a low price and then sold them along with service for a higher price. He was a contractor that built houses. Realizing his father was simply another money changer, he came to the realization he must be at least half-Jewish. So he killed himself. It was sad. But the world celebrated - Christmas presents were bought at higher numbers than any previous year in history on black friday (actually starting on thursday, because fuck your family, lets buy shit to celebrate Jesus!) Those gifts were given in celebration of the Jew hating Francis did. A few folks got trampled at Walmart.
A glimmer of good news. There have been 7 people treated for Ebola in the US. Only one thus far has died and all have gotten over the hardest portion of the sickness. The one that did die was seriously sick before being treated for Ebola. That is a 15% mortality rate. So sure the Africans can only muster a 50% survivability but if there were a true outbreak here and our healthcare system did not break down I think we would have results of sub 10% mortality and after the huge learning curve it would probably drop below 5%
I believe it is a more communicable strain as this article covers but I also think the survivability will increase substantially in the US and other advanced nations, like with most viruses. Still scary but having a healthy family I would be much less frightened of Ebola with a 5% mortality compared to a 50-90% mortality even if more communicable.
Every on that survived got tranfusions of plasma from survivors. That's a harder protocol to administer in the field with thousands of infections. Hopefully we won't need to try our hand under those conditions, but my guess is that our success rate would drop precipitously.
Katfish Klain, and his Gang of 30 got this covered.
Citxmech I disagree. The first doctor and nurse as well as the private individual just released did not get transfusions. Both Nurses and the Camera man did. Don't be such a doom and gloomer, there is plenty of doom and gloom with out having to reach for it.
The US survivability has been very good thus far even without transfusions.
I entirely agree with you, at this point. Right now in the US the survivability rate is 15%, as you state, and that's wonderful. 6 of the 7 publicly declared cases have been cured, and that's fantastic. My huge concern is if the cat really gets out of the bag with all the people arriving from West Africa, the hospitals will be taken out by the disease. But yes, so far so good. I think the biggest disorder on ZeeHedge is our obsession with peering into the future. It never looks great, and I fear that one day we'll wake up correct.
I think one of the issues with ZHers are they are so pessimistic. There is plenty to be pessimistic but we shouldn’t forget the bright spots. Yes the hospitals could be overrun, but every doctor or nurse that survives can in short order go back to work and are practically an Ebola superhero. Not to mention this 85% survival rate is being achieved by heal care professionals with little experience with treating it in humans, even if they have been studying it at Emory. With this outbreak there is tremendous learning taking place in the treatment of the infected. Yes the virus may be a new strain that may be more communicable, yes there has been frightening screw ups, but the treatment has been a bright spot. Let’s not ignore it.
Even if the survival rate dropped to 75 or 70% there would be plenty of people that could staff our hospitals.
Keep coming back. It works if you work it.
What can I say, I like trolling the trolls.
Oh you're a troll then. I fell for it in an earlier post you made due to Poe's Law.
Sometimes I troll the trolls and sometimes I don't. What difference does it really make. I Troll for fun, at least until it is illegal.
Fuck you. On both counts.
We shall overcome.
Not to worry: Obummer will make EbolaCare a mandatory tax like he did with ObummerCare. We all know the more money you throw at a problem, the sooner it's resolved; right?
And EbolaCare could live on for a long time: all we need is a natural reservoir for this new deadliest form of the virus. We just have to keep up the daily flights of potential carriers and eventually we'll find the American version of the African Fruit Bat! When that happens, we're all gonna be thankful to have Obolacare come to America! Hope and Change! Yeah!
Those Liberians and others will eventually find a new host species given time and enough ongoing flights into the US (which Obie still refuses to ban... WTF!...)! What will it be? Ground Squirrels? Marmots? Stray Cats? Whatever, we could soon have our own ebola reservoir just like Africa! Lucky us!
Even if we knock this thing out before Obama and Frieden succeed at killing millions of Americans, we'll still have a permanent reservoir of the deadliest ever strain of Ebola! Right here in our own backyard! WOW!
Thank you Barrack. Thank you Tom.
PS, here's a special thank you from all those corrupt political leaders and central bankers out there, because like they say: "you can hide a mountain of malfeasence behind a world-wide ebola epidemic"!
I'm in contact with two buddies in the military in Monrovia now. No pics because ALL cameras, SIM cards and memory sticks hadda be surrendered upon arrival. They are busting their ass working 16-18 hours and living on MREs. The salaries are also ALL over the map. Most making grunt wages, others clearing $1million USD within 6-12 months. Hmmmm?
The bigger deal capt is thus: create a permanent military base to interrupt Chinese resource supply chains. China is busy building factories in Africa. USAF would like to light these up! Africa is the last big reosurce grab bag there is....
It's the Great Cull...
that keeps me up at night, too.
Well maybe there is a cure already. George Nory is a Capitalist and a shill for his advertisers and sets up his guests. But he just interviewed someone who says they used a cure on 15 patients and cured 13 of them.
This explains the News Black out this last week starting Friday.
USA wants it's citizens to recognize only US Big Pharma Cures... It is big money.
Or maybe
- The cure was from Russia
- The cure was from non Ally
- The cure was not connected to TBTF Wall Street
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Or whatever...
I think that's what we are looking at. It's going to be around a while. A long while. Eventually, lots of different strains like the flu. We'll figure out a vaccine for each strain but it will be a constant nagging. Once it becomes part of the "cost of doing buisness", we'll just accept the risk and get on with our lives. Until we get a particularly nasty strain (let's call it "swine ebola") then we'll be screwed. But we've got years before that happens.
Since most of this shit is bio-engineered warfare stuff, I'd expect that we have months or weeks before 'that happens'.
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Think I've spotted an ebola molecule. Everyone maintain a safe distance from this comment. A clipboard carring agent will be dispatched shortly to scoop it up.
Reminds me of an email I sent back in 2001.
Suspicious powder in your email->
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You would not believe the number of people that freaked the fuck out over this.
Yes different.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/20/382993/ebola-developed-in-us-bio...
So what your saying is
Professor Francis A. Boyle may soon join chief executive of Total, Christophe de Margerie in heaven?
I spoke with one of Osterholm's colleagues. Says he tends toward the hyperbolic side--warns of risk easily--but that his prudence in this case seems warranted. When I posted Osterholm's video on Twitter the other day, it had only 301 clicks. It is up to 15K now.
Just wondering what the "czar" thinks....or does he even give a shit?
The czar will refer all questions back to the CDC.
and the CDC to the CZAR...
confused...they arent!
they know exactly what their doing...
You might be having too much fun, but that's okay by me.
"too much fun" is like too much bacon: not possible.
Your coronary arteries may have a different view on this "meaty" subject . . . ;-)
Ebola Czar, you say? What an arrogant title to use. But riddle me this, Johns Hopkins...
US Army withheld promise from Germany that Ebola virus wouldn't be weaponized
The United States has withheld assurances from Germany that the Ebola virus - among other related diseases - would not be weaponized in the event of Germany exporting it to the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases.
German MFA Deputy Head of Division for Export Control Markus Klinger provided a paper to the US consulate's Economics Office (Econoff), "seeking additional assurances related to a proposed export of extremely dangerous pathogens."
Germany subsequently made two follow-up requests and clarifications to the Army, according to the unclassified Wikileaks
"This matter concerns the complete genome of viruses such as the Zaire Ebola virus, the Lake Victoria Marburg virus, the Machupo virus and the Lassa virus, which are absolutely among the most dangerous pathogens in the world," the request notes.
Source = http://rt.com/news/197500-us-army-ebola-weapon/
Interestingly, to date only the G5 (US, Canada, UK, Germany, France -- all NATO members) have imported Ebola, and are busy sutdying & manipulating it. Which seems to underscore the above article, as the G5 all have advanced military labs for infectious diseases. Russia, China and Israel have them also, but they're not in the G7 (G5 + Italy + Japan), nor in NATO.
Why is the US (USAMRIID) working on weaponizing Ebola and a host of other viruses?
What say you Doc, what say you Johns Hopkins, what say you CDC, what say you Ebola Czar, what say you Obola?
US may have just been creating Plausible Deniability.
Nice, huh.
- US can go and Extract Bio Weapons anywhere
- US likes to have partners to create cover
Your first problem was believing wikileaks. They have been studying ebola in Galveston Texas for years.
He's a fuckin lawyer. He's there to threaten anyone who may bring anything to light and suppress information. He's there only to help the administration politically.
Presumably his performance in "helping" Fannie Mae may have had a very significant bearing on his choice as preferred appointee.
He has already demonstrated the skills the Administration need him to have. Clinical Epidemiology is NOT in the desired skill-set I note . . . . .
He's thinking about the no-bid contracts he can award to DNC cronies.
Like Obola no one knows where it comes from!
Born in 1961 but hatched in 2006?
Relax. This is probably just a trial run working on the virus and the immunization (for the .01% only).
You want your Ebola, you can have your Ebola! With President Obola tossed in for good measure.
I don't know why you guys keep dissing on Michelle she is one beautiful woman.
Once you go black you never go back.
That sounded sarcastic and mean. I'm upset now.
I'm not kidding, she is beautiful. I think President Oloser is fair game, but they should leave his wife out of it.
I can't really say if once you go black you never go back, just heard it.
Once you turn black, you never come back
-- Anon. 14th Century.
LMAO
Is that why you are falling down?
MsCreant
doing better? you sound like it...
answered your question about the X's
good night!
Gonna build facilities eh? Send in the airborne. They are much better at building than engineers...
Goodbye Screaming Eagles.
my neighbor's half-sister makes $63 /hour on the internet . She has been out of work for 10 months but last month her pay was $16551 just working on the internet for a few hours. More Info... www.job-reports.com
And why does one patent something? Why, to pass it on to the children of course.
I was thinking about the same thing. Putting aside the absurdity of patenting life, the only reason anyone would have to give something IP protection would be if it has monetary value. A deadly virus only has monetary value as a weapon. Ipso facto, it is a weapon. Extrapolate from this hypothesis and every move the CDC has made so far makes sense, though why they would want to initiate the killing off of perhaps 10%* of the population escapes me right now.
*Based on assuming it will be as infectious as the common flu virus which affect 20% of the population annually and current ebola mortality rate of ~50%.
The other reason is actually to keep access open. Before the recent change of law regarding patents on "discovered" genes (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/06/130614-supreme-court-gen...), public institutions would obtain patents to ensure no private companies could lock-up access for their own profit.
Lead by example, OBOLA.
First, you go into the heart of Ebola region with only gloves and a mask - show these poor fucks how it's done, son.
You're the Commander in Chief, ain'tcha?
Stupid fuck.
Maybe snap a Selfie with a dying Obola Baby?
This is a sick comment. So is the whole fucking handling of the Ebola crisis. Carry on. Fuck em' up.
This ain't just about being a crook (which so many seem to be able to ignore or forgive). This is transcendent. There is a point one can drop the bullshit and make a difference. The narcissistic president can't do that. Bullshit just keeps coming and coming, piling higher and deeper.
I did not vote for this, but I was dumb enough to think this would be better than Bush. Talk about learning the hard way. Damn.
I know I voted for him just once.
There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.
"...you can't get fooled again."
Orily?
ms.
we have truly entered the twilight zone....
Miss me yet?
That always cracked me up.
Such arrogant self-serving order taking assholes. They all make me want to puke.
M-o-o-n! That spells biological warfare agent!
I keep having dreams of an old lady in Nebraska....you?
The golfing dude
"Among the Living" by Anthrax would be just a good with that slight change to the lyrics.
"I'm the golfing dude....."
Afraid not, but I do make one helluva cast iron fried chicken.
M-o-o-n, that spells Ruby Dee's fried chicken and grits !!!
You're in.
Bird a little tough, but it is a lot tougher when there ain't none.
Looks like Captain Trips is making his rounds one more time...
Yeah...I have those dreams.
Well, this is a little disconcerting.
Eboma really needs to get Fannie Mae lobbyist Czar Klain on this stat! ;-)
Flounder's on Double secret probation, so its going to be a spell before he can get started...
Flounder's a Katfish.
They are all bottom feeders...
My uncle used to catch catfish by the dozen with ground liver and hotdog bait. Still remember that smell.
i like to watch the crazy fuckers who catch them with their hands !!!
Ain't nothin' like noodlin'! (No, I don't)
Liar!
maybe. i'll never tell.
Question is: are you ready for Hillary?
Better question, is the status quo ready to defend Hitlary? ;-)
I would think so. Hillary is the status quo.
Yes, groomed all her life for just this occasion.
Should be quite a show ;-)
Not the kind of fireworks I like.
Guys, just fucking stop, okay?
I am a woman. I don't want her. The only compass she seems to have is "What will get me power" vs. "What needs doing that I can help with?"
I self identify as a feminist. I know folks here don't always like that, but maybe you can give me a minute to explain. To my way of thinking a feminist is someone who wants all the options open to both men and women. Gender should not be an obstacle for anyone who is qualified. Now there is the rub, qualified. I hate quotas and would not like to be a quota hire because I am a woman and you want to fill your quota. I would like to know I got what I got because I was the best qualified.
Hillary has shown us, publicly, she is NOT qualified. There is no honor nor integrity there. Yet she gets put up front as representing feminists? Aw hell no, fuck no. It is so Goddamn unfair. They undermine any real feminist by putting her forward as a feminist. If I were a conspiracy theorist, I would almost think it was on purpose... to undermine feminists, to make us all look bad.
A real feminist acknowledges that men are hurt by gender hierarchy just as much as women. It is not fair to ask men to take on all the responsibilities they are asked to take on, to suck it up, to not feel or show emotion. Of course it will twist them and make them a bit misogynist. We desert our men, it is hideous what our culture does to them. I adore men, because of what happens to them, and they cope anyway. Deep respect.
Hillary's feminism is shallow and one dimensional. I have no use for it. I would not feel one grain of satisfaction if she became president. In fact, I would feel betrayed, used, and like a tool.
Fuck this shit. Fuck her. It just sucks. There are so many competent capable women out there and this is what we have representing? Aw fuck! You hear me?
I hear you girlfriend! :)
Seriously, good post.
Thanks! ;-)
Double thanks? ;-)
MsCreant, no sexism intended on my posts. I am just pointing to the fact that as things stand, Hillary will win in 2016, and the fact that she is more dangerous than Ebola.
Never thought you were sexist, not one minute. Just responding to the idea Hillary is being shoved down our throats and I KNOW HOW!
I just choke on it. Choke.
I think all a human being can do this day and age is to bear witness and try and enjoy the simple things in life.
"Knowing what you know,
be serene also, like the mountain;
and do not be distressed by misfortune.
Knowledge without serenity is an unlit candle;
together they are honey-comb;
honey without wax is a noble thing;
wax without honey is only fit for burning."
mscreant..
we hear you...
and its going to be alright..
everything thats going on is beyond all our control, so we come here to vent...
just dont internalize it..because it will crush you..
dont do it, i did after combat, and it was a cross i couldnt bear anymore...and then i realized the situation was beyond my control..and therefore i didnt take ownership of it..
you getting it...DONT TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THIS SHITSTORM, BECAUSE ITS BEYOND YOUR CONTROL..AND THIS WHOLE WORLD IS THE SHITSTORM
AND ITS GOING TO BE ALRIGHT...
Now you're just down right sweet! My husband was in the service 7 years, he was in Germany during the cold war, listening to Russian troop movements. He did not deal with what you did, but I am still proud as hell that he served.
You have some deep wisdom there. Very few of us should actually take ownership, but with one caveat-- we let them because we do not unite and make it different.
Do you think if it came down to it that some of our folks said no to the government, that the soldiers would stand with us, or them? I am sure it is a mix, but what is your on the ground sense that the majority of them would do?
mscreant
thats a tough one...
i think soldiers would not endanger their lives..or their families...
i think the backbone of the military is the senior NCO...and hes GOING TO FOLLOW ORDERS...PERIOD!
and if their orders are to open fire...yeah...
the higher up the food chain you go, the more the old timers have a vested interest in the SURVIVAL of the goverment...and their pensions...when the pensions get cut, and they WILL GET CUT, then you will see mutinies...
when king alerik sacked ROME with his army in 410ad..it was because rome renigged on their pensions they were promised..yeah, they were mercenaries FOR rome...
ITS THE SAME AS IT EVER WAS....
It is spelled 'reneged'. A little bit of a connotation might be taken spelling it as you did.
sorry, my bad...it was not intentional...
SERIOUSLY! if i was a racist,,i wouldnt have made it 10 minutes in the army...
This is the best answer I have seen to this question. I will file it.
I do wonder if X.service might have a different point of view...
MsCreant
again, depends....
ther are alot of X soldiers out there
and..many are on pensions..including service connected disabilities...and throw into the mix patriotism, respecting their uniform and their respective services...could get interesting!
during the revolutionary war....1/4 the population in the colonies were for independence ...1/4 wanted to be left alone by boths sides...and HALF were loyal to the crown..
if i could give some advice...if its going to collapse, its going to collapse under its own weight...its not going to need your help... ;) hopefully you understand...
I think I do.
Finances are a part of mother nature, too. My first premise with all of this is that no real change will come until supply chains start to brown out or absolutely collapse.
A failure of the healthcare system would qualify. Fear that keeps folks from going to work qualifies too. But on the way down, some will stay with the system for a while, hoping to get paid or access to resources.
My help is a different thing. I have classrooms of students-- a platform. Zerohedge helps me a great deal with class preps. I stay fresh because I hang out here! ;-D
Listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF09jJlJCU0
Strangers on The Hedge, two lonely people
We were strangers on The Hedge
Up to the moment when we said our first hello.
MsCreant for president !!!The zerohedge candidate !!!
/that was seriously good MsC !!!
Thanks for the support. They would use my past to destroy me, even if I wanted it! I have been bad. Then again, so have most folks.
How bout Hulk for pres? Putin would need to back the fuck down!! Then again, he would not need to do what he was doing if you were in there, eh?
If I were the prez MsC, I would definitely end up with a bullet in my head, no doubt about it...
"WHAT DIFFERENCE AT THIS POINT DOES IT MAKE!!!" H. Clinton, Liar in old Gray Haired Shriveled Twat
"There ain't nuthin uglier than an old white woman." Fred Sanford, Sanford and Son
Fuck Fred Sanford.
What difference does it make? Such a profound statement that is
Obola has activated the 101st Clipboard Airborne Division & ordered their deployment to Liberia.
He has also secretly dispatched a plumber crew to Kenya.
I think the 1st Bar Ba Q batallion is part of them..........M-0-0-n Spells clipboard.
Ebola is a 'living organism' that is tired of being contained -- it wants to get loose and EAT!
Ebola wants to live longer, we are poor hosts so it must adapt and allow us to live longer in order to spread it farther.
Not really. Like all viruses, Ebola just wants to make as many new virions as possible, host resources, and defence systems permitting. That is really the "bottom line".
If it can maximise "yield" by a fast, no-holds-barred infect every cell and be done with it approach, that will be the optimised approach for the "most successful" variant.
Likewise, if a slower, "stealth" approach (with some, or significant, ability to circumvent host defences) is the "best option" for virus yield maximisation, then that will be the modus operandi for the most successful (i.e. prolific) variant.
Effective spread is just another part of this optimisation; will high - volume "Blunderbuss" spread via cough, sneeze, projectile vomiting, be "best", or will a slow but continuous "supply" via body secretions (including sweating) be best?
We are still learning how the current Ebola "works". Be certain 'It" too is discovering how we work, and the combination of large burst numbers, and that 3% variation per kilobase, per replication cycle, is really "helping" it to utilise us to its best advantage.
I don't know what to believe anymore.
It is waaaaay too soon to "believe" anything about this pathogen.
Ebola is on the loose -- you can believe that if you need a plank in your belief system. Regarding all else you will have to wait.
Vee are nihilists Lebowsky! Vee believe in nussing!
You can believe that "This statement is false".
The paradox.
WTF is up with Duncan's family not getting exposed??? But suited up hospital workers do?
Should be obvious.
Really the next few weeks/months will tell how and what this is, so at least you can look forward to knowing what's going on soon.
I hope my Tyvek suit becomes a Halloween costume, personally.
Doubtful, we are on a 42 day cycle and not a 21 as they want us to beLIEve.
Sure, nobody wants to help more than Obola via AFRICOM. The exceptional and indispensible nation at it again:
http://blackagendareport.com/node/14470
Then there's the question of what length of quarantine is necessary with this shit:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/manoj-jain-md-mph/ebola-quarantine_b_60091...
100% Certainty, Bullshit!
I can prove 4.9% to 17.4% uncertainty in one sentence, which for every 10,000 infections would be 490 to 1,740 transmissions.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-16/who-shocked-427-ebola-infected-...
Some succinct truthiness gold buried in the Allela, Bourry, et al. paper on Ebola and Dogs that very few actually read but very many actually misinterpreted... Too bad so many refuse to eat their vegetables or do their reading...
Some human cases in the recent outbreak in the Gabon/Republic of Congo region did not have a documented source of exposure to Ebola hemorrhagic fever. Similarly, 14 (4.9%) of the 284 cases in the 1976 Sudan outbreak and 55 (17.4%) of the 316 cases during the 1995 outbreak in Kikwit, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC, former Zaire), had no direct physical contact with an infected person or known infected carcass. These observations point to other routes of transmission (e.g., human-human respiratory tract infection through droplets and aerosols) or may suggest that other, unidentified animal sources may be involved in Ebola virus transmission to humans.
Like eating "bush meat".
Depending on the type of bush, you have your choice of ebola or throat cancer...
Well, yeah...lol...so they say.
But seriously, if anyone has ever seen an open air market in west Africa they would know what I'm talking about. Any kind of meat is "cured" there and put up for sale, from rats & bats to anything else they can drag out of the bush...found dead or alive in the bush.
Seriously, rats & bats...anything.
"These observations point to other routes of transmission (e.g., human-human respiratory tract infection through droplets and aerosols) or may suggest that other, unidentified animal sources may be involved in Ebola virus transmission to humans."
Dead animals (chimps, gorillas, monkeys who also die of ebola) found in the forest and eaten by humans could be one vector. Small animals (including guinea pigs) that may be repositories of virus (more than just ebola) are food for humans if found dead or trapped, another vector.
I picked that sentence because it covered 3 three of the dozen Zaire Ebola outbreaks in very short order, (and threw out the categorically officially discounted "Airborne" as a distinct possibility) but for every outbreak they group transmissions into 1 of 3 "buckets"
1) the infected person contracted ebola from direct contact with the bodily fluids another person
2) the infected person contracted ebola from direct contact with the bodily fluids an non-human animal
3) they don't know
The accepted and historical process for containing eboila devotes a huge nominal and relative amount of resources to identifying exactly which of those 3 buckets applies to each and every infected person. Bucket #3 is both statistically significant and larger than it should be given a label of "don't know". What they think is irrelevant. Given the size of the current outbreak, they simply don't have the resources for the relatively complete contract tracing achieved in previous outbreaks, so the probability of containment is reduced, even before the complexities (and new opportunities) of relatively densely populated cities are introduced.
At the current daily spread of 177 new cases in West Africa, that could be over 30 "don't knows" per day. If they had the beds, supplies and personnel to even deal with the first two buckets, that remaining 30 cases per day left leaves us back with this outbreak was at the end of July (per Cthonic's smoothed average data.)
Eyeballed, and under ideal circumstances the "effort" looks an order of magnitude short now to actually stop the spread. This leaves only 2 options, 1) become more efficent and effective, and 2 prayer/luck that it burns itself out.
Then there's the issue that I'm citing WHO's infection numbers... which even the WHO estimates are only 25%-50% of actual infections. In which case we have the equivalent the previous worst ebola outbreak in history popping up each and every day. So it's that much worse, but then I just went a truly esoteric rant in another thread on Science vs Reality and the limits of modern data... So I'll just go back to the job and blissful ignorance
Listen. I move silently through the crowd, and my sister makes $7,500 per day.
edit; ...wtf, okay, you got VICE over in Ebolaville Liberia a week or two ago, just hanging out walking around with no respirators...nothing. So, reportedly the cameraman (Mukpo) test positive for Ebola at some point, at which time he is rushed to Oklahoma USA for treatment...annnnd he gets all better...yup, this is a different bug for sure.
- oh, dd I mention the 3000 troops over there just fucking off?
Not just fucking off, but fucking off for Freedumb!
something stinks in Denmark
I cant even keep it all straight anymore. Arent they looking for a sea monster in Denmark right now or something? I just cant keep track. Its starting to feel a lot like a Dr. Who episode. I really dont like Dr. Who either. My blasphemies are real.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/10/02/nbc-says-ca...