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Battleships And Helicopters Join Hunt For Missing Submarine: Sweden Prepares To "Use Weapons To Surface Sub"
The hunt for missing October continues.
Recall that over the weekend, one of the less reported stories was that Sweden had deployed its various army, navy and air force units to hunt down what was reportedly a damaged Russian sub that had sunk in the Stockholm archipelago, something which Russia vehemently denied.
Since then, things have escalated and as both the FT and RIA reported, Swedish authorities declared a safety distance of 10,000 meters (5.4 nautical miles) from all military vessels taking part in the search for the alleged foreign sub.
According to the Swedish Expressen newspaper, air traffic over the search area has been suspended. Such a large area of Swedish airspace has not been cordoned off since the '80s, the newspaper added. The fly ban will not affect passenger flights.
Swedish Navy vessels have reportedly sealed off a channel between Nynashamn and the island of Nattaro south of Stockholm. A large number of military vessels and helicopters are reported to be moving southward.
The Swedish Armed Forces first launched a major operation off the coast of Stockholm on Friday after receiving information, reportedly from a civilian, about the presence of an unknown underwater object in the region.
According to the Swedish Armed Forces, there have been three "very credible sightings" of an unknown object off the Swedish coast, suspected to be "foreign underwater activity." Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Lofven stressed Monday that the ongoing operation is "not a submarine hunt," but an "underwater investigation."
But the key question remains, just whose sub is it that is missing? Earlier on Monday, a Russian Defense Ministry source told RIA Novosti that the unidentified object in Sweden could be a submarine belonging to the Dutch Navy.
A spokesperson for the Royal Netherlands Navy told RIA Novosti that a Dutch submarine had recently visited Stockholm, but stated that it was no longer in Swedish waters when the "suspicious object" was first observed in the Stockholm archipelago.
Additionally, Bloomberg reported that a distress call caught in Swedish territorial waters on Oct. 17 has been incorrectly linked to presence of Dutch submarine, citing His Majesty’s Bruinvis, Karen Loos-Gelijns, spokeswoman for Defense Ministry says in e-mailed statement. She said the submarine went to Tallinn on Friday morning, stayed there over the weekend. She added that Dutch navy ships Tromp, Amsterdam, Evertsen, Zealand, submarine Bruinvis participated this month in international exercise Northern Archer in the Baltic Sea.
In other words, the Netherlands is refusing to take blame for the sub. As it Russia - recall that previously a spokesperson for the Russian Defense Ministry denied that the damaged sub belongs to Russia, stating that "there have been no extraordinary, let alone emergency situations involving Russian military vessels."
But while the originating nation of the offending sub, if there is indeed one, refuses to step up, Sweden is starting to lose patience. According to an update by TheLocal.se, battleships, minesweepers, helicopters and more than 200 troops continue to scour the area where they believe the sub is located.
Sweden's military has now been out on the hunt for five days, with the operation moving "across the archipelago" on Tuesday.
More:
Jesper Tengroth, press officer for the Swedish military, told The Local that the focus had switched from just the southern islands on Monday.
Swedish military vessels are now also patrolling open seas in the Danziger Gatt strait, news agency TT said. But Tengroth would not give any further details about where Swedish ships and military units were stationed for "operational reasons".
After three civilian sightings of suspicious activity in the Stockholm archipelago, Sweden's Armed Forces have launched a full-scale investigation.
In fact it has gotten to the point where Sweden may simply blow up the offending military equipment just to make the point that "The most important value of the operation - regardless of whether we find something -- is to send a very clear signal that Sweden and its armed forces are acting and are ready to act when we think this kind of activity is violating our borders," Supreme Commander General Sverker Göranson said.
As a result, Sweden's military has announced that if it finds a suspect foreign vessel in the Stockholm archipelago, it is prepared to force it to the surface "with weapons if necessary".
"Our aim now is to force whatever it is up to the surface... with armed force, if necessary," he added.
He added that submarines are "extremely difficult" to find, and that Sweden has never succeeded in the past when it came to tracking them down.
"And no one else has either," he added.
If the sub is indeed Russian, it would be quite a hit for Sweden, which in more than a decade of hunting Russian U-boats in the 1980s and early nineties, never succeeded in capturing one, except in 1981 when the U137 ran aground several miles from one of Sweden's largest naval bases, triggering an embarrassing diplomatic stand-off for Russia.
Early Tuesday afternoon, at least five naval ships were stationed for more than two hours in an area east of Ingarö, the closest reported point to the Swedish mainland since the operation began. DN reported that one of the ships had "made contact" with something, but General Göranson denied the claim.
Göranson's comments to the Swedish media came after a nearly two-hour long meeting with Sweden's defence committee behind closed doors.
They also followed reports in the Dagens Nyheter newspaper that there had been more than 100 reported sightings of a suspect vessel from members of the public in the past day or so. "We're still getting more reports, and I want to underline the fact that we're happy about this," Göranson added.
Here is a cross-section of what has been alleged to be a Russian X-Ray/AC-12 class submarine, the Losharik.
In any event with every passing day, the surfacing of the damaged sub gets closer, assuming of course one exists. And if, as the local Swedish media reports allege, the sub does belong to Russia and the result if a major political humiliation for the Kremlin, will Putin just sit idly by, especially since what is going on close to Stockholm has become a regional spectacle. As the FT reported, "the Swedish military operation is being followed around the region. Edgars Rinkevics, Latvia’s foreign minister, wrote on Twitter at the weekend: “Closely following events in the Swedish territorial waters, may become a game changer of the security in the whole Baltic sea region."
It may indeed, and the answer will be forthcoming. After all there is only so much air a sub can store.
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Sweden`s armed forces chief warned Tuesday it could use force to bring to the surface a suspected Russian mini-submarine its navy has been hunting for days.
Sweden's biggest submarine hunt since the dying days of the Soviet Union has put countries around the Baltic Sea on edge.
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Hi Tyler, one suggestion. The hedgefunders seem to be using the media coverage that their attendance to the Robin Hood foundation summit gives them access to to peddle their investment ideas. I suggest you post something on this.
(1) It is really shameful to use the "foundation" media coverage for this purpse.
(2) In theory Robin Hood foundation fights poverty. Used this way seems to create more poverty by shifting even more money to the .01%. It shoud be called the Hood Robin foundation. Taking away from the Poor to give back to ...um... well... us the ultra rich.
Cheers mate
If you want to force a sub to the surface quickly blast Rap music into the water for a few hours. Surrender will be imminent.
I call BS on this entire story. If there was a sub 'hidden', unless it was damaged, I'll bet that the captain would have already bugged out into international waters.
Sweden helped the USSA to instigate the Kiev Putsch and is notoriously anti russian. This is just another mind game played by the USSA/CIA/Western Media to create constant tension with Russia. The USSA needs war badly with Russia, to hold Putin to blame for the inevitable collapse of the USSA stock and bond markets.
Slightly O/T, but what is up with that baloon animal thing on the nuke sub infographic?
Regards,
Cooter
It makes death and destruction more interesting for the children. Or those of single digit mental ages.
The "hunt for the red october" was already found in the Nasdaq screens
This is rich.
There must be some really important stuff in Stockholm for the Rooskies to want to stake it out from underwater.
Although Sweden is only a “partner”, the clowns in NATO are desperate for anything they can use to pin the tail on the bear.
Jooze sub broadcasting in Ruskie?
Where's Boris, Tony, Francis, Fonz, etc?
If a Russian Sub is located in Sweedish Sovereign Waters I hope that the Sweedish Navy locates it and follows through by Depth Charging it. (That is IF.)
Surface it? Hell no. Deep Six that Motherfucker.
Sovereign Waters are part of territory and any invasion needs to be met with brutal force.
It is like someone who is stupid enough to intrude into my home. They will be shot....or I will be dead. There are just two ways about it.
United Nations...Russia invaded my territory Wahhh... Nope.
Police...I have an intruder. Wahhh...Nope.
What in Flaming Fondues are the Swedes up to. Leave the Russian sub alone, man. The last thing ya want is a bunch of cabin crazy drunk submariners in Stockholm chasing after your women and men. Especially your virgin women. Well if such a thing like that even exists in Sweden.
And you support the same if there is a US sub? Do you support all other nations attacking US ships if they sail in to their territories?
Yes. If we do not belong there and are conducting Warfare then we are fair game.
A violation of Sovereign Territory is an Act of War.
That is the Rule of Law.
The US continually violates the land and air spaces of "sovereign" nations and undoubtedly, their waters.
Other than that, I don't give a shit about the rule of law.
That's just a freeway to serfdom.
U.S.S,A subs violate territorial waters every day.
Ask any submariner. The CIA is looking for their next U.S.S. Maine event.
Who are you? Oscar Prestorious?
No. I am Thomas O'Brien
I live at 12223B Woodside Ave, Lakeside, CA USA. It is an apartment located above Westcoast Pawn
If you believe that you will get away with a home invasion then make my day. Bring your guns.
Tommy, I just talked to mom and she told me to tell you to get away from the library internet and get the bread and potatoes for supper tonight before dad comes home.
--Sis
So true Tom,
Wonder why the Swedes didn't blow this intruding plane from shithole-Russia out of the sky. Oh wait, I mean, USA.
p.s. Screw you Tom, and your apartment door too. My 416 can harvest from 2,000 meters. My Anzio 20mm from more than 3,000 meters. You home defense fools will be so so easy when the time comes. Every 556 and 762 I own was chosen with accuracy in mind. Not a single one that isn't 1moa or less at 400 meters. Most of the 556's can ring dinner plates at 900 meters. All, every single firearm, threaded/suppressed. Hell, at the end of all things, the local mobs will simply burn you out. An apartment? Are you serious???? No human nor animal can approach my abode to within 300 meters without detection. That isn't as far out as I would like but is better than most folks.
Aragorn
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-03/day-after-mh17-crash-russia-scrambled-interceptor-pursuit-us-spy-plane
"No need to sweat blood over this one... As long as it's not AIRBORNE, we have no cause for panic." -CDC
The Wall St sequel: "The Hunt for the Lost October"
Actually subs can produce oxygen from sea water. A nuclear sub can stay under water almost indefinitely as long as it has power.
What about Ebola? Did that finally peter out in the news cycle? I thought we should have been bleeding from the eyeballs about now. I wonder how many Iranian physicists fell on nailguns?
So what if the Ruskies or the Americans have the capability of 'teleporting' a distress signal - or any 'signal' - from a satilite to any point in the ocean they want? So they could make it look like there were subs anywhere they want, in any number they want, even though, there's no sub at all? So, you could conceivably conceal all your subs at any time by making it look like there were a millions subs out there? Could it be a test?
Poor Shamu. They're going to kill him thinking he's a sub.
US Citizen, Press TV reporter dead in car crash near Syria 2 days after Turkey calls her a spy
http://wtfrly.com/2014/10/20/us-citizen-press-tv-reporter-dead-in-car-cr...
not if its sinking it cannot.
as amazing as submarines are, the vast majority of them cannot go anywhere near as deep as 1000 meters.
the most common u.s. attack submarine , los angeles class. can go to 290 meters. and probably a little more.
. Nearly half of the world's marine waters are over 3,000 meters
average deep ocean depth is over 3700 meters and max depth is over 10,000 meters.
Just a small bit of technical follow-on here: Aside from having an O2 generator and CO2 scrubbers aboard nuclear subs, if the O2 generator should suffer a malfunction, one then goes to the secondary method of oxygen production. Namely the burning of chlorate candles...
http://oclugo.com/technical-info/chlorate-candles-m3300/
Someone else posted that a sub must be moving to generate O2. This is false.
The O2 Generator, if I recollect properly, is the Hydrogen Oxygen Fuel Cell.
Ridding the hydrogen can be problematic as it emits bubbles??? Futhermore it is hazardous, explosive, and rather acidic when in solution...
If I were the Sweedes I'd be looking for cavitation. That will lead to the quarry.
Deep six that bastard.
1) You aren't going to find a small column of hydrogen bubbles.
2) If there is a sub there, they won't cavitate. Check your definition... Cavitation is caused by a rapid change in prop speed. Something you don't do if you are trying to be stealthy.
Cheech Wizard is pretty dank weed dude!
Being the cartoon messiah is a pretty tough gig.
Food for the Crew tends to limit how long Crews can stay underwater ^_^
Yeah, but the submariners want to kill each other after 6 months of 12 hour shifts in a dark, floating toilet/tin can.
I can go without going to the rest room for weeks, but my clothes stink and no one wants to be around me.
Thats the extent of your logic.
6 months? Try 3 months which is generally the max for boomers. For fast attacks, well, I can personally attest to violating the international limits of Cuba for the month before the invasion of Grenada for a solid month. (Navy Expeditionary Medal - woot! /sarc) The spooks were on board for that little trip. If a single transmission from any source in Cuba happened, the spooks had it translated almost instantly. Interesting to see what was normally one of the sonar screens replaced by an image of Cuba with little triangles/circles/squares pinpointing known broadcasting stations.
BTW, yes, food is the limiting factor.
The only limiting factor(s) for nukular subs: Food, and the crew what eats it!
sub hunt, palm pilot.
Cooter
The balloon horse is a popular Russian cartoon character named 'Losharik'. The sub was given the same name owing to its interlinking spherical compartments resembling those of the cartoon horse.
It would be the Ruskie equivalent of calling the USS Nimitz the 'USS Gumby'.
Regards
Diddly.
The nickname was hinted at by the multi-spherical hull construction, and was taken from a Russian cartoon character, a toy horse consisting of small spheres - the name losharikis a portmanteau of "loshad'" Russian: "??????" - horse and "sharik" Russian: "?????" - small sphere.
Oh I do hope they find that Langley commissioned sub. The oligarchs could use a little foiling of their plans...
https://www.perpetualassets.com/news/2014/10/21/exclusive-golden-jackass...
My thoughts exactly. Why is there a rush to assume it's a Russian sub? If you look at the USSA's involvement in the Ukraine, Libya, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and 9/11, what's to say it's not a USSA sub?
Like Lavrov said: "Apologies for locating our country in the middle of your military bases."
Listen Select Zero's above.
I agree. Always Russia, always cast in the negative.
Fuck Sweden! They are USSA bedwarmers.
If it is an USA Sub then the Sweedes still need to Deep Six it.
It is a violation of Sovereign Territory.
However I do not believe it to be one of ours.
Of course stranger events have happened.
Who the hell is posting these things? Nuke subs can make air onboard.
Members of the Church of Holy Eboly Hoax are posting these things.
Apparently Swedish leaders paid off...and also pollack like butthurt factor seems exist..
how many times history Sweden went against Russia? win/loss record?
anyone know?
Volkodav, Here's some view's from a Finnish-Swedish military history enthusiast. Swedish leaders are paid by Wallenbergs who control 30% of the economy.
For many centuries Russia was a collection of mighty citiy (novogorod, kiev etc.) states and tribes (such as fenno-hugrian and slavic tribers, tatars etc.) and not that much a "modern" country.
Swedish Kingdom formed around 1000 AD and connected modern Finland to its areas in 1100's and 1200's. Back then much of modern Russia was under Mongol rule and they finally fought off the mongol invasion in 15th century.
Novogorod had been fighting with Sweden before but just after western parts of modern russia were under Moscow rule and power was centralized the real battle with Sweden began. Sweden (or Kalmarunionen) had risen to European World power in 16th and 17th century and controlled much of Baltics and areas of Germany. https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruotsin_historia#mediaviewer/File:Swedish_...
Around 1700 there was Great Northern War where Russia, Poland and Denmark allied against Sweden and Sweden lost some of its power. Then 100 years later Sweden lost Finland to Russia after the Finnish War. After that Sweden has had a buffer zone (Finland) between it and Russia and the only blood spilled has been Finnish and Russian. Sweden didn't participate in WW I or WW II
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Swedish army was higly succesful in their battles since Catholic soldiers didn't want to kill the other Cathollic enemies so they had developed to sisses. Finnish and Swedish soldiers didnät have that problem so troops like finnish Hakkapeliitta's are still wide known in the northern Europe.
Heres some modern stats from finnish russian Winter War (WW 2) https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9cHkMILP4_A/Su8p3GFJJOI/AAAAAAAABHc/yywQlkVuU...
You can find more info about won/lost battles in wikipedia articles about the great northern war and finnish war. Shit's interesting..
the most interesting part of that war is how many russians were sent to their death as a sheer waste of time, and stubbornnes.
stalin may have been impressive in his sheer cruelty, but he was certainly not fit to conquer the world. too full of himself, too stupid, to violent, so that his own military generals would rather send hundreds of thousands of men and good valuable weapons and fuel to waste , rather than WAIT. for fear of pissing off stalin.
stalin was the devil buddy. the fucking devil. worse than kim jong ill or his kids or dads. way worse. its hard to say whether he saved russia from hitler, or simply allowed hitler to roll over russia like potatoe pancakes until he decided to do something about it.
"Dumb-ass Christians killing dumb-ass Christians." Wow, what a concept.
And then you wonder why the 2% is kicking Christian ass and getting rich. And, yet, it's never the hick-tard, blood-thirsty Christians who are to blame, right? It's always the "2%", right? Morons!
i know this blog! your conclusions were all wrong.
This butthurt has many ways of expressing itself.
Here is a a small example of some recent Polish butthurt that backfired.
The Swedish foreign minister is an American agent according to wikileaks. That Swedes would stand for such nonsense shows what spine they have (haven't). This story is more nonsense to whip up anti Russian sentiment because Sweden will be required to participate in the upcoming war on Russia.
The Swedish royal family is French. The Swedes were so fucking stupid that they invited Bernadotte to be their king in order to have closer ties to France around Napoleon's time. The Swede's had a rule on the books saying that Kingship was temporary, but forgot that a King can change the laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bernadotte
This literally has to be one of the dumbest moves in history.
Along the same lines as Latina Lover.
Sweden, or those who now control Sweden, want to get sway their sheep to allow Sweden to join NATO.
And this article by the Tyler's is just like their last one on the event. Written, as direct by someone, to support the efforts to sell a story.
I read an initial story elsewhere that said the photo taken was by a military person on the shore. Then the story line changed that it was taken by a civilian but of course the quality is so poor to not be useful in determining who the vessel in the photo belongs to.
Tyler's first story repeatedly claimed it was a Russian sub under the water when no sub had been found,
Tyler claimed Russian messages were intercepted and they were "sent to" Russia and the first message was conviently unencrypted and the first message was urgently asking for help. However, following that a ranking officer in the navy discredited that claim and stated that no messages were intercepted. But the Tylers did not correct their storyline. Tyler please follow up and tell us the current status of the credibility of the messages.
From this story by Tyler:
"the Russian Defense Ministry denied that the damaged sub belongs to Russia" Ok, Tyler - what do you have that confrims there is a sub must less a damaged one? Why the deception.
Also - "If the sub is indeed Russian" Ok Tyler - what sub, even the Swedish navy does not know if there is something there. Why the claim and pointing to Russia, even the photo whenever it was taiken is unclear.
Also - " as the local Swedish media reports allege, the sub does belong to Russia" Ok Tyler - lets just use the main stream media (who are controlled by _____" as a reliable source, it is not like they are being used for propoganda.
In Tyler's previous article it was claimed only a few nations can access the Baltic, which is flat out a lie. Any nation can sail a sub or other ship into the Baltic.
All this from one low res. photo taken from the shore by an unidentified person who had been claimed to be military and civilian. A photo of a sub OPENLY sailing on the surface with no attempt to conceal itself.
This looks to be just as likely to be psyoops to paint Russia as a threat and to move Sweden into NATO. This may also be used to try to ban Russian ships. What we do know is that nothing is yet known, other than someone at some time took a photo of a sub on the surface in those waters. Enen the claims of distress calls being intercepted were denied by the navy.
Who runs Sweden these days, when you look at who holds key appointments does a certain group hold a high percentage of those offices while being a small percentage of the population.
Are the Tylers running with whatever storyline gets the most clicks or have they been partially compromised.
I do have a related question. Some have reported that subs and other ships are allowed the sail through this channel but that subs are required to be on the surface. And that no special approval is required in that regards. Is that true?
(How long until I join Francis Sawyer?) (PS, no need to wack me like Bank Guy From Brussels)
The paucity of rational thought you exhibit is daunting. In other words you're a fucking nut, Latin Lover. Nobody needs a war with Russia. Nobody. You need to get on meds, man.
That is not a sub. It is that first Malaysian Airlines airplane.
LOL.
No sub will be found, but the Russians did it, so let's secure the Baltic!!
There.is.no.sub.
Did Nessie depart her loch in disgust of the locals who voted for continued slavery to the city of London. If so, is PETA going to go ape shit when the Swedish Navy extincts a dinosaur?
the hunt for an october surprise? I love the intrigue. Grainy pictures of some partially submerged unit. Then grainy pictures of a man in black with a large backpack apparently walking out into the sea without returning. Like a mix of the movie mission impossible and perhaps fringe.
If this was a real dire issue I don't understand why something like a p3 orion would not be flying there 24/7. If the map I saw was correct this thing could barely have gotten into territorial waters and if it is moving ( if it is a soviet sub ) then it would seem likely that it is in international waters at which point using weapons to bring it up would prove to make the arch duke ferdinand moment a distant second for a catalyst for a world war.
If it was Russians they probably ditched the minisub by sinking it and are partying right now in Stockholmn getting ready to board the party Ferry to Helsinki
Is that Barbie™ as your avatar?
No hot sauce, its a slovak chick off of livejasmin.com naked webcams who goes by the name LilyForYou
Respect
They admit never being able to find one, but then threaten to force it to the surface with weapons...
Let's all review our territorial water claims, shall we? I predict some changes coming after this particular manufactured event. Another attempt to hem in Russia by cutting off their access to North Sea / Atlantic / Kaliningrad? Again, maps are your friend.
The Baltic is not that deep, average depth of 180 feet, max 1500. Pretty effing tough to hide shit underwater I would think.
Don't panic, everyone's gold is very safe at this rate :)
Hey Richmond, those Danish Straits are pretty tight, what is the policy for the Russian ships and subs going out of the baltic, are the straits considered international waters or can the danes close them and also charge fees to passsing ships?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_on_the_Law_of_the...
As far as I know (which isn't very far...) the Danish Straits are internationsal straits.
US Naval War College has a good article explaining this, but it won't let me link it. Google "usnwc navigation rights international straits"
Transit separation schemes published:
http://www.dma.dk/sitecollectiondocuments/publikationer/ntdw.pdf
Thanks guys
>Pretty effing tough to hide shit underwater I would think.
No. An emphatic no.
Like US subs up Russian rivers? Like Russian subs in the Chesapeake Bay?
Standard Disclaimer:
Dad, what did you do when you when you were my age?
Son, I fought in the Cold War.
Shame that the Swedes are not as tough on the Muslims who run Malmo. Pathetic.
Some bored Swedisg General sitting around eating pickled herring decided Sweden needed some headlines.
Almost correct. He is not a general, but a bored former foreign relations minister who's gotten strict oders to once and for all secure Sweden's future within the Empire.
Screw the Royal Swedish Navy and the ZATO sub they're "hunting"!
[Edit] See any familiar names in the story below?
October 1–13, 1982: The Hårsfjärden incident. After a long period of submarine incidents, the Swedish Navy sets a trap by sealing off an area with mines and sensors. A foreign submarine is then recognized to have entered the trap, and the navy responds in force with major forces stationed nearby. A reported 44 depth charges and 4 naval mines are detonated, trying to sink the submarine, but it is later determined that it avoided the trap or fled at an early stage. This incident triggers the appointment of a parliamentary committee under the leadership of Sven Andersson, which—partly due to the efforts of Carl Bildt—blames the Soviet Union, thereby escalating tension withMoscow. Later research has cast doubt on many of the conclusions of the committee, with some of the sound recordings from the purported submarine now believed to have come from a civilian ship.[6] The entire incident is now hotly disputed, with some arguing the submarine may have been of NATO origin
Deja vu.
General Jack D. Ripper.
Bodily fluids? Anyone?!
an American, not US subject
Want to bet Obama has sent one of ours on a peace mission.
Yeah, for nuclear submarines the amount of air they can 'store' is likely on the order of several billion years. They'd probably run out of food in a few months first.
Billion years???
Can't they catch fish?
people never understand nukleeer power, and that water contains all the oxygen one would ever need.
Food aside though, I'm sure the CO2 scrubbers would eventually need to be replaced too though, and most nuclear subs' reactors only last at most 50 years, so i wouldn't say 'billions' of years (and oxygen is not 'stored' so much as 'generated').
Maybe they can wait it out hoping for an Abba reunion.
Too bad all we've been able to do with nuclear is blow shit up and boil water.
Is Putin being setup for a series of humiliations?
only in the eyes of western propaganda
One of our dildos is missing.
My mistake, he's just out golfing.
Nessie 2
moar fucking bullshit? waiting for the conflicting story, stay tuned,ha...
Could be the NSA.
My first thought! NSA down there tapping cables. Would be nice to know if under water telco and fiber runs are in the same area.
Nothing would say embarrassment like an NSA sub getting depth charged in the middle of some snooping hijinx...all the while pointing at the Russians. We may know soon...or not.
Is there a single person here that would be shocked?
I'd also like to point out it was the damn Swedes that thawed out that alien in the arctic some years back. Hell of a mess and a real close call.
NSA? are you kidding? swedish government is the main tool of the NSA to spy on russia. a phone call would have sufficed.
but yeah, sub is much more 'interesting'.
And even if there was a sub, since it happened on thursday(?), the sub would be gone. As well, of therr was an issue onboard, the crew would already have died. During the ussr, many times, sweden would catch NATO ships/subs traveling through its water.
Watch out for Hammerheads.
Modern subs make their own air.
Sorry but Swedes are pussies. They won't do shit.
Well since there has been no major ebola headlines I guess it's time for the cold war 2.0 to hit the news cycle.
Probably a German U-Boat that has been revived by Timo Vuerensola for a new version of Iron Sky.
Most likely a group of Somalis snorkeling to get to Sweden for asylum
Swedish Vikings used to historically head East, towards Russia (and Turkey and Persia, eventually). The Danes and Norwegians headed west (primarily for geographic reasons). Even hundreds of years after the Vikings were 'history', the Danes were still charging fees for passage through 'the Straits'!
A big part of the reason that Amsterdam became a more famous trade town than Lubeck!
Great insight as always Herd, pays to be a Tyler ;)
well the reason russia is called russia in the first place is due to the norsemen/vikings (rus people) from sweden who founded the russian civilization by ruling over local slavs.
"About A.D. 700 or so, the Northmen, whom we know as Vikings, came down from the Baltic Sea, by way of the rivers of eastern Europe, and eventually reached the Black Sea and attacked Constantinople. These Northmen were trying to make a way of life out of militarism, seizing booty and slaves, imposing tribute on conquered peoples, collecting furs, honey, and wax from the timid Slavs lurking in their forests, and exchanging these for the colorful products of the Byzantine south. In time the Northmen set up fortified trading posts along their river highways, notably at Novgorod in the north, at Smolensk in the center, and at Kiev in the south. They married Slav women and imposed on the rudimentary agricultural-hunting economy of the Slavs a superstructure of a tribute-collecting state with an exploitative, militaristic, commercial economy. This created the pattern of a two-class Russian society which has continued ever since, much intensified by subsequent historical events."
excerpt from tragedy and hope
http://blog.lingualift.com/vikings-russia-varangians/
you are absolutely correct :) In fact rus means "to row a boat"/a rower in old norse/swedish. The guys were tough as valhalla and when the small streams ended they carried their boats to the next river.
'Ndrangheta drug smugglers bringing in this weeks shipment?
Now that they count drugz as part of GDP, they really should subtract out the GDP losses as a result of drug seizure (or sub sinkings).
So they are straight up stealing the plot of "Hunt for Red October" to start WW3? CIA running out of plots?
This idiocy reeks of US State Department influence. Yeah. Lets go out of our way to blow up a damaged Russian sub because WW3 is what is on the menu for Obama. Stupid.
What damaged sub?
What evidence this is real?
Swedes either know more or just silly against evil Russian threat..or both
Is not there underwater detection devices deployed in these smaller near coast waters?
Gotta love how all the pictures NATO comes up with are GRAINY. What the heck did they have a satellite on the beach taking grainy pics of the supposed sub hahaha. I can take better pics that are crystal clear with my 7 year old phone
The Swedish military is vehemently avoiding mentioning anything about a sub. Recent reports suggest they believe an unidentified device suspected to be an ancient alien craft has been activated in the Baltic and they're pondering whether they should blow it up or roll out the red carpet.
DS
Just as long as said aliens possess copious quantities of active melanin in their skin the Swedish authorities should be rolling out the red carpets for them.
Its not real evidence but all the oceans are mic'ed. Many of my friends have been doing this "maritime surveillance" as part of their military service here in Finland.
The new subs are very quiet but they will know if something is there.
...ready to act when we think this kind of activity is violating our boarders."
Hey Sweden, when are you going to act to prevent all those Muslims and africans that are raping and murdering your citizens? Not only that but forcing your taxpaying citizens to feed, clothe and house these invaders adds insult to injury. If I were a swede I would worry a little less about a couple of blokes in a mini sub and concentrate more on the open boarders policies that are destroying the nation.
I don't understand what your problem is. The Swedes welcome immigration. If the Swedes can celebrate diversity, you should be happy for them. There's no need to get upset on behalf of the Swedes, especially when a problem doesn't exist.
It's obvious you don't know anyone living in Sweden. Given that, tune into www.redicecreations.com, and let Henrik Palmgren educate you.
DeliciousSteak
Yes, yes, you are absolutely right. I should be happy for them because 60% of welfare recipients go to immigrants or 80% of their prison population is of foreign nationality. Let's not forget Sweden is only behind S Africa in number of rapes pp. How about sweden's once top notch education system which now is on the verge of being surpassed by the US in international tasting. Gotta love that law which forces schools to educate everybody in their native language. No, no problems what so ever, just sit back and enjoy diversity.
It is problem for Sweden...apparently you are ignorant.
Not politically correct to protect Ladies in Sweden
While in Russia would get beating or worse
You would figure that since Sweden is so big on feminism, they would be kicking out the immigrants that don't give two fucks about women.
I guess progressives still think their egalitarian utopia can somehow work even when they want to bring in people who go completely against their ideals of egalitarianism.
Sad that those Scandinavians are facing extinction in a few decades.
You would figure that since Sweden is so big on feminism, they would be kicking out the immigrants that don't give two fucks about women.
I guess progressives still think their egalitarian utopia can somehow work even when they want to bring in people who go completely against their ideals of egalitarianism.
Well, in leftism, it's important to work out the heirarchy of victimisation. This in turn enables you to work out who can do what to whom, and whose rights trump whose.
So, because women are 'clearly' an oppressed group, we celebrate feminism. But seeing as many of the immigrants are from minority groups fleeing oppresion, we celebrate immigration. And some of those immigrants are women too! Double the oppression!
I think you can see where this is going.
Yeah, and then consider that any opposition to progressives is immediately silenced and considered as racist/sexist/etc. Which of course doesn't make that dissension go away, it just makes it even worse and further radicalized. That's exactly how you get Anders Breivik.
The Swedish navy does not have any "battleships". Well, they did in the 1800s.
The biggest ship is a corvette. There have been photos of the cool looking stealth Visby class corvette in the media. That's the biggest and most advanced ship available.
How can that rust bucked be called stealth. I has a bunch of crap on its 'pickup' bed lol
they won't find the sub but they will find a missing ship and sell all the movie rights to History Channel.
Gulf of Tonkin redux. What a crock.
Red October
"The Russians Are Coming! The Russians Are Coming!"
Quite an enjoyable film.
"The Bedford Incident"
Another fine film...
Let me add, that if there is a damaged sub around, and the Russian gov knew that but denied it, and it was found, then it would be a diplomatic nightmare for Putin at home. So I doubt they would lie about this simply because they know it would eventually be found.
Only in the mind of an Obamatard would this, or anything else Russia has done, be a diplomatic nightmare for Putin at home. You would have to be an idiot to think sinking or caturing a Russian vessel would do anything but galvanize the Russian people behind Putin.
I think you take Russians for morons. Thing is, if Russian gov denied there being a Russian vessel, in distress, in Swedish waters, and it is later found out there is one and its crew were in danger, then he would get the blame back home. This is why I dont think this is true. But then again, they could prove sweden wrong by showcasing the Lusharik.
As well, in order to have oxygen, I believe the vessel needs to be moving. So in this case, if the vessel does not move, crew can die. Since it happened thursday, they would have ran out already and ship would eventually be found. But if the ship has been 'spotted' more than once, could mean it can still move and thus would have left the territorial warers in fear of being caught. If vessel is in distress and not picked up, crew would have already left the vessel or seeked help from sweden already since well, their lives are more important than patriotism.
What I find funny is all of this is happening at once for Russia. Total CEO dies in Russia, this sub, Russia blamed for MH17....
My bet is on a South American narco-sub that will never be "found".
(Bjorn and Sven had not seen rock like that since the mid-eighties! Het på gröten!)
Grimaldus
They could of Scuttled it and the guys swam back to shore, if those pics were real they could easily make it to land, afterwards any vacationing Russians in Stockholmn could pick them up in their Rental Volvos lol
nyet, Russians don't give a damn anymore, after all attempts to damage Russia in recent months.
only media will blow a few troublemakers talkings to extremes
da,
This disinformation is to change the opinions of your people, not the enemy's.
Google barge in route with amazon undersea drone on deck.
it's ISIS sub. now they have navy too.
Hillary's vibrator got loose.
Victoria Nuland is trying out for Sweden's synchronized swimming team.
THE BLUBBERETTES
Those channels around the archipelago are too narrow and shallow for Hillary's vibrator. Would have run aground somewhere south of Âland.
They are going to blow the thing up? What if it has nukes or is nuke powered?
Bingo, and the Swedes used to be big on safety lol. I guess since Volvo got bought up by the Chinese, safety is out the window hahah
SAAB rules the roost in Sweden now....
The midget sub got into trouble and is probably scuttled in the closet deep water they could find while the crew in in clubs in Stockholm partying and blending in. They will slip out and nothing will be found unless they do a towed search similar to the one hunting the Malaysian off Australia.
the "greys" will be pissed if depth charged
hope they take it out on lower manhattan
Screw that. The Greys can death ray from Maine to DC for all I care.
Put a Rebel flag license plate on the front of the saucer and let 'er rip.
....and if a stray shot goes wide and hits Chicago, well...Opps. Shit happens.
Guess we can give Cali a break, this round. They've been quiet. Lips cracking from dehydration. Does a pound of collagen filler crack? Dunno. Probably down to licking condensation off the bottom of the roof gutters in the morning.
Swedish tradition... Russian subs on the eve of arguing military budget.)))
They are so funny)
The Sub Captain
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...
"Our aim now is to force whatever it is up to the surface... with armed force, if necessary," he added.
He added that submarines are "extremely difficult" to find, and that Sweden has never succeeded in the past when it came to tracking them down.
"And no one else has either," he added.
Nothing there, dumb fucks. But hell all this activity must push GDP up.
Douchebaggery of the highest order.
Why not just leave it be? If it exists at all?...
Check out the Baltic Sea Anomaly. A crashed UFO on the sea floor whose recovery was taken over by the Swedish military. They messed with the wrong aliens..
Reminds me of the wonderful movie from the 60s
The Russians Are Coming (Submarine)
Under Arrest Scene from The Russians Are Coming