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Martin Armstrong On The Danger Of Conspiracy Theories

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Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics blog,

Conspiracy

 

If you want to hide something in plain view, exaggerate it to the point it becomes extreme and convert it to a conspiracy theory. This is a very standard in how to create propaganda and if you keep saying a lie, its becomes the truth to many without ever having to prove anything. To uncover the truth, takes digging. This I have discovered both in politics as well as market fundamentals.

The two big conspiracy theories to be exaggerated that cover up the truth are the 911 WTC Attack and the Kennedy Assassination. With the former, people take it to the extreme and claim there was not even an attack by terrorists and the whole thing was made up. Sorry, there was an attack and the government knew it was coming and allowed it to for three purposes

  • (1) eliminate the evidence on many cases in WTC7 including all my evidence that documented EVERY  market manipulation up to 1999 by the investment banks et al for which they are getting fined all the time today
  • (2) wipe out the evidence that would have exposed the missing $2 trillion in the Pentagon budget, and
  • (3) generate more power for government by allowing Americans to be victims as originally proposed in Operation Northwoods.

Now, that is far closer to the truth than claiming there was no Middle East terrorists involved at all, Strange, for that does not jive with Saudi Arabia threatening Russia with terrorism or the funding of ISIS to overthrow Syria which has now overthrown most of Iraq.

Patton George (1885-1945)

 

Then there is the Kennedy Assassination spun to be the product of the Mafia or with Oswald’s Russian connection. Eisenhower in his Farewell Address warned of the vast military complex that had grown out of World War II employing over 3 million people. There was no such industry before that war and the view was now Communism would take the world. My father was a Colonel under General Patton and you to tell me all the time about him as a child how he read the books of his opponent and how he accurately predicted that the real enemy would be Stalin and wanted to go all the way to Moscow.

Kennedy_Nixon_Debat_(1960)

In the Third 1960 Presidential Debate, Kennedy exposed the truth behind the decline in the Bretton Woods System – it was the vast expenditure on the military. Her said:

Now on the question of gold. The difficulty, of course, is that we do have heavy obligations abroad, that we therefore have to maintain not only a favorable balance of trade but also send a good deal of our dollars overseas to pay our troops, maintain our bases, and sustain other economies. 

The price of silver was rising and Kennedy set in motion the withdraw of silver from the monetary system. This too has been spun into a conspiracy theory  Here they have spun JFK’s Executive Order 11110 into the Federal Reserve killed Kennedy because he was taking their power to print currency away. You just can’t get any more far-fetched than that one.

Simply put, JFK also said the US current account deficit could be stopped at any time if the government stopped expanding its military worldwide for that was sending dollars offshore. If anyone had a motive, it was the very same people behind the NSA abuse of power – not the Federal Reserve, Mafia, or Russians. Just follow the money and you get closer to the truth – i.e. Halliburton, Cheney and the Iraq War against a nation who was against religious fanatics, the very terrorists who attacked the USA – go figure that one out without following the money. We took out two dictators who kept religious fanatics in check -Saddam Hussein and Muammar al-Gaddafi.

BTW, as soon as Halliburton was to be investigated, they moved to Dubai. Just follow the money.

 

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Fri, 10/24/2014 - 19:10 | 5374549 X.inf.capt
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IKE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX...

THE BERNAKE ABOUT 'GOLD BEING A BARBAROUS RELIC'...

NOT SO MUCH..

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 19:15 | 5374563 TahoeBilly2012
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Armstrong you kook, you telling me a Saudi jihadi flew a plane into the Pentagon...the CIA knew that was a target and "allowed" it to happen? Your theory is the most far fetched I have EVER heard. Take another hit! There is no logic there, you think the CIA would give this operation a snow balls chance in hell of being successful?

I will award you a 2 of 10 on the scale of "plausible conspiracies"...stick to calling gold.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 19:21 | 5374592 nope-1004
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Hey tinfoil hat Martin.... Are you saying .gov planned the 9/11 attacks agains it's own citizens and infrastructure?  That's outlandish...../s

but welcome to the truth, dude.

Now if I can just sway your opinion about how "futures contracts and markets lead to a more efficient use of resources" then I might hit your website up once in a while.  Gotta change your view on options trading.  With time, I think you will.

 

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 19:28 | 5374603 TahoeBilly2012
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He is suggesting they knew about it and didn't stop it. 

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 19:31 | 5374626 nope-1004
Fri, 10/24/2014 - 19:46 | 5374682 Keyser
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I love it when conspiracy theory turns into conspiracy fact...

 

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 20:29 | 5374813 chumbawamba
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Perhaps Brainiac can explain how a mostly aluminum jetliner entirely penetrates the side of a steel reinforced concrete building like someone diving into a pool of water.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 20:43 | 5374854 Umh
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The same way a copper and lead bullet goes through steel plate if it's moving fast enough.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 20:55 | 5374895 logicalman
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Fast enough.....

That would be way faster than any aluminum skinned aircraft could travel in the earth's atmosphere.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 20:58 | 5374911 Greyhat
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Raytheon had great drones in 2001... The Pentagon and WTC7 was precision work! ;)

"The company announced Monday that its technology had guided a Federal Express 727 to a safe landing on a New Mexico Air Force base in August — all without the need of a pilot. Raytheon says the technology, primarily designed to help navigation, could be useful in a remote landing system. ...

Military and civilian jets have been landing on autopilot for years, but the Raytheon test used technology that provides the extremely precise navigational instructions that would be required for remote control from a secure location."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/2001/10/2/remote-pilot.htm

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:05 | 5375271 Paveway IV
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Mom... I'm so proud of her.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:26 | 5375553 jeff montanye
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this is the best single book i have seen on jfk and 9-11.  check it out.  note the kindle version.

http://smile.amazon.com/JFK-9-11-Years-Deep-State/dp/1615776311/ref=sr_1...

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 03:24 | 5375667 jaap
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May I tip you Family of Secrets by Russ Baker. Really a must read to understand America after WW2:

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secrets-Americas-Invisible-Government/dp/1608190064/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414220817&sr=8-1&keywords=family+of+secrets+russ+baker

 

And since this is a financial blog and if you want to make any financial person doubt the official story let him/her listen to Andy Gause his 9/11 special of last year. This is only about the finacial aspects e.g.:

-which organizations were housed in Building 7, who ran the security and what important documents were destroyed in the demolition.

-Enron, World Com, Securities and Exchange Commission, and money laundering case files and more all lost in the demolition of Building 7

-Project Hammer – Poppy Bush, Alan Greenspan, 300,000 tons of gold and the 911 connection

-Barrack, Gold, George Bush and the 911 Connection

-Yamashita’s Gold, Japan, Marcos and the 911 Connection

-The Rothschild Family, George Soros and the 911 Connection

-240 Billion Dollars in Brady Bonds with George H. W. Bush and the 911 Connection

-Money laundering, J.P. Morgan and the 911 Connection

-Airline stocks shorted before 911

 

http://oneradionetwork.com/the-real-world-of-money/andrew-gause-and-the-real-world-of-money-911-anniversary-special-following-the-money-where-no-man-has-ever-gone-before-september-11-2013/

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:12 | 5375776 clymer
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I just love that Marty is such an expert on JFK and 9-11 and to prove it offers up the most embarassingly superficial, simplistic details..

A little more than just allowed it to happen, Marty.

-WTC7? crumbles in a clear and controlled demolition. The prep and man power takes months
-Molten metal? Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough
-Missing plane at Pentagon? Planes don't evaporate
-Missing plane a shanksville? see above
-all of that anthrax that was floating around the postal system that originated at fort-detrick just a short time afterward?

no, no, sir. This was planned, coordinated and executed by domestic enemies of the republic.

And there ain't but a handful of people that work in government that can realize this and justify their paycheck at the same time, and so rather than try to assimilate the cognitive dissonance, they choose avoidance.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:25 | 5375786 jaap
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I loved to read his analyses when he was in prison (where he should not have been), but it seems like a deal was made if you read his pieces since he got released.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:11 | 5375877 GetZeeGold
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The nagging question persists.....what happened to all that gold?

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:30 | 5375898 mvsjcl
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It seems to me that it's not the theories which are dangerous, it's the conspiracies.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:58 | 5375916 GetZeeGold
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There's lot's of dodgy stuff about that whole Armstrong affair.

 

I wouldn't wait up for the explination....cause it's not going to happen.

 

Too bad we can't ask Edmond Safra.

 

I read the article waiting for the punchline....which never came.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 10:17 | 5376016 Cathartes Aura
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we all seek to make sense of our observed existence, daily.  and there is no denying that EACH perspective is unique in the details that make it up (yeah, "make it up"). . .

these "conspiracy theory" threads are perfect examples of this truth. each post has a mind's story to defend, and while there are pockets of agreements, as each story is told there will be subtle variations in the details believed in.

I try not to "believe" in too many of the details, but instead take it all in, widen the net, hold the details in place and wait for them to possibly fit a type of narrative in "the future" - because what cannot be explained today often becomes very clear tomorrow, if the mind hasn't discarded a "detail" in the attempt to find the "ultimate perfect explanation" to defend.

what happened on nine eleven continues to reverberate, to unfold - but if one has decided on a closed story, how to connect the events, how to see the ripples still occurring?  why try to fix a storyline that is still being written and lived??

Live your questions now, and perhaps even without knowing it, you will live along some distant day into your answers.”  ~ Rilke

 

people like to use religion, or patriotic beliefs in nationstates, or whatever other tidy package of surrendering the mind to a "fated" story, told to hold one in place.   

Let go, free-fall, see what happens.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:30 | 5376195 RallyRoundTheFamily
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wOW I was thinking the same thing about CT articles in general.

Good point, good point, elvis rises from the grave (WTF) and... then finish the article with a undisputable truth.

When asked I say "I do not know what happened, but i know what did not happen."

If the official story is false, well do the details really matter?

Prepare be aware take care

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 21:18 | 5374973 booboo
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Sooo, the video of the planes and the eye witness accounts of thousands of New Yorkers should be discounted?  A 240,000 pound aircraft just like a 240,000 pound bale of feathers traveling at 300 miles an hour will do some damage.

Although I do believe that it was all allowed to happen it only lends credence to the argument that these are crack pot theories when people jump the shark with comments that discount physics of mass and velocity

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 21:32 | 5375015 chumbawamba
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You speak out of ignorance.  Conduct your own experiments, then come to your own conclusion.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:23 | 5375311 disabledvet
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And you with great awe of American governmental competence.

 

IF THIS WAS A PLAN IT WAS CLEARLY A BAD ONE!!!!

 

Anywhoo....one look at the phucknuts in charge should dispel even the slightest of microbial logic sets that the USA's has been run Full Retard for sometime now.

The Christians are dead. Prosperity is dead.  The President is a total dip shit living in la-la land.

Should the anarchy sweeping the country becomes more formalized "Houston, we have a problem.". Mark my words:  the National Guard units in this country are loaded for world war three.  That was true in the mid to late 90's I might add.

Thirteen years of fighting in the Middle East under their belt now? Bwhahahahaha.   Yeah, they're all on board Plan West Africa...

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 03:55 | 5375607 zhandax
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If one in any way supports the Constitution and the original intent of this Republic, it was a bad plan.  If, on the other hand, one's intent was the dystopian nightmare we find ourselves in today, it worked like a charm.  Examining the collective acts of .gov since then, I can find no reason to ascribe their motive to premise one.  Res ipsa loquitur

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 10:32 | 5376048 Big Slick
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Dear Martin - Please don't be on my side.

PS: ZeroHedge - Seriously?

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:14 | 5375742 Tall Tom
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Chumba...

 

A One Pound Chunk of Foam, with a density equal to that of Styrofoam, struck the Reinforced Carbon Fiber leading Edge of a Space Shuttle wing, and knocked quite a hole in it.

 

Of course Space Shuttle Columbia's wing burned off during reentry 17 days later and killed her crew.

 

Space Shuttle Columbia was traveling at 500 m.p.h., at a Sub Mach speed in the atmosphere, when that strike happened shortly after Lift Off.

 

Reinfoced Carbon Fiber has a much greater tensile strength than Carbon Steel.  A one pound chunk of Foam cut through that.

 

However there was more than enough KINETIC ENERGY to do that to Columbia's Leading Edge Wing Panel.

 

And I know that it seems "counterintuitive" that Aluminum can cut through Steel.

 

It even seemed counterintitive to NASA Engineers that a chunk of FOAM could but through a reinforced Carbon Fiber Panel of a Space Shuttle wing. So I cannot blame you for not understanding.

 

But it did not change the fact that it did,

 

But the same Laws of Physics which demonstrate the impossibility of those buildings falling at near Free Fall speeds unless it was a controlled demolition are the same Laws of Physics that demostrate that the Aluminum Wings striking and cutting through the Steel Girders, not only can happen, but is expected to happen.

 

The following is what you fail to understand.

 

Ek = mv2/2

 

The Kinetic Energy delivered to the building is equal to one half of the product of the mass of the object and the square of its linear speed.

 

It happened Chumba.

 

 

 

Yes I watched the experiment and I saw the results.

 

You can too.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgQ3ekcvyRA 

 

Just three minutes. (And the angle of the strike was oblique. If it had been closer to orthogonal and direct...)

 

But looking at the downarrows they will just deny the Empirical Evidence...

 

That is what we have in this Comment Section...

 

"Damn the evidence...I will believe what I want to."

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:21 | 5375781 clymer
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I thought this was an article about 9-11 and JFK? I have to re-read and see if I can locate the words "space shuttle" anywhere.

(the use of an algabraic formula gives your post more credibility however.)

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:39 | 5375796 Tall Tom
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Chumba postulated that Aluminum cannot cut through steel.

 

I demonstrated that foam can cut through Reinforced Carbon Fiber. This evidence nullifies Chumba's postulation.

 

My "Algebraic Equation" is the result of the Integration of the prodect of Momentum with infinitesimal changes of velocity That is how it is derived.

 

Newton declared that Momentum is conserved in his Three Laws of Inertia. He defined momentum of any mass as the product of the mass and its velocity.

 

BTW...That is a Physics Equation....and quite valid. If I must teach basic Newtonian Mechanics on this site then I will. If I can provide EMPIRICAL Evidence to support my postulations then I will.

 

And as for you...You can go and autofellate as far as I care.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 07:42 | 5375844 clymer
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I would if I could! But it's not "physically possible" for me! Get it? BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA.. *tear* hahaha *cough* ha. ok.

btw, I negated your downmod with my own upmod! 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:02 | 5376291 TBT or not TBT
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O/T, but which Facebook gender are you if you are traumatized by the inability to do that?   

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 19:05 | 5377339 Rakshas
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.....well established fact that every male tries it once........ more than that you got tendencies

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:47 | 5375915 nmewn
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Kinetic energy transfer is almost impossible for some people to comprehend.

Much easier for them to manufacture an entire conspiracy theory around some intricate plan of pre-planting bombs to detonate on the exact floors impacted because of course, the bombs and their timing mechanisms would remain completely intact after such a mild collision ;-)

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 10:37 | 5376020 psychobilly
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The stuff about the planes hitting the towers being holograms (or whatever chumba is pushing here) is obvious nonsense (intentional disinformation to muddy the waters), but that doesn't change the fact that you are an ignoramus.

1) Why couldn't the explosives have simply been arranged to avoid areas that the planners expected to take direct hits from the planes (with GPS providing accuracy to within a few meters)?  Herp Derp. 

2) Explosives (e.g., RDX) can be designed so that high heat can't set them off.  They can also be encased to survive even the most violent physical assaults (think black boxes).

3) Demolitions and their timing are centrally controlled by software these days.  The detonation of the explosives could have been controlled wirelessly (via redundant RF repeaters located throught the buildings) from a central location located a safe distance from the towers.  The timing could have been adjusted on the fly and after the fact as needed.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:44 | 5376240 nmewn
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Ignoramus?...lol...in order to keep the conspiracy alive it has to become ever more intricate and complex as "the facts" continually change I guess.

And you see no flaws whatsoever in any of those statements? Like the pre-planted explosives becoming dislodged by fucking passengers jets slamming into buildings and being found on the nearby roofs of other buildings? Were these "black boxes" welded to the steel super structure or what? 

Herpa Derpa indeed.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:09 | 5376309 TBT or not TBT
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Top Men were employed at all levels, on all the needed jobs, to make every detail of that morning just so.  Duh.  

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:16 | 5376320 nmewn
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Right.

And like all great conspiracies, the more employed, the better the chances of it remaining secret ;-)

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 19:15 | 5377386 Rakshas
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YOUR INFERENCE IS CORRECT SIR!!!

....... if i read your comment correctly that is,  it would be absolutely next to practically impossible to keep such a secret secret with so many involved...... the Manhattan Project is an fine example of top secret intelligence sieve ...... oh no wait they did keep that on secret....... well there was the stealth fighter bomber programs through the 70s and 80s that was a complete disaster ......... oh actually they did manage to keep that pretty quite too....... hmmmmmm Oh I know Northwoods that was keep secret ... they kept that from the american public .... well until September 11 2001 at least....... 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 10:10 | 5376002 GlobalCtzn
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So Tall Tom, educate my ignorant ass as to the object(s) and the kinetic energy that cut every support column in building 7 at the same time allowing a free fall implosian of the entire building. I anxiously await my ignorance being swept away by your forthcoming elucidation!

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:52 | 5380152 Vullsain
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Tall Tom's post was not that difficult to understand, certainly you do not need an incredibly intellegent,mathmatical mind to understand it, or would you need some abstract thinking aptitude to understand his comparison. If you do not believe his physics formula as factual, just look it up. Or do all the conspiricy theorist types here on ZH, believe that law of physics are part of the grand "Conspiricy Theory"

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:37 | 5375793 Notsobadwlad
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There is a difference between the possibility of an airplane being able to make a hole in the side of a building and the resulting fires being able to bring it sown in the way it was brought down.

No logical explanation was provided by the government and the media of how the buildings came down "virtually in their own footprint and at freefall speed.

There are other mysteries that have not been explained, such as how the planes apparently maneuvered at the apparent speed and altitude.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:13 | 5376313 TBT or not TBT
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Pilots are known for "piloting" which is to say guiding their craft along a chosen path.   You can take lessons to pilot an aircraft fairly cheaply.   

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:33 | 5376365 moneybots
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"There is a difference between the possibility of an airplane being able to make a hole in the side of a building and the resulting fires being able to bring it sown in the way it was brought down."

So?  There is also a difference between an apple and an orange. 

The fires in the Towers were massive and completely out of control.  Flames were floor to ceiling and beyond, when they poured out of windows.  But let's play pretend. 

The Towers were not brought down, they collapsed, due to the damage from the fires.

" ...the buildings came down "virtually in their own footprint and at freefall speed."

Free falling column sections fell faster than the Towers collapsed.  Virtually in their own footprint is a meaningless statement.  The top 15 floors of 1 World Trade collapsed down upon the floors beneath, starting a chain reaction of collapse, down upon each floor below.

Debris within the Towers fell down upon floors within the Towers.  Floors fell down upon floors within the Towers.  Nothing magical about that.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 20:11 | 5377524 AE911Truth
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Mr. Moneybot(s), your version of events is physically impossible according to the laws of Physics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhlrqyIIbO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGCWBDFZ5Zs

 

Also, care to explain why in the case of Shanksville and the Pentagon, there were no bodies, luggage, or airplane parts from the "crashed airliners".  Hand carryable parts found at the Pentagon were not from a 757, especially the APU turbine. The jet engines weighing six tons each could not simply disappear. Since they did not exist in the wreckage, it is impossible for fully loaded passwnger airliners to have impacted either site. So, the USGov. explaination is provable false.

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:38 | 5375794 Notsobadwlad
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There is a difference between the possibility of an airplane being able to make a hole in the side of a building and the resulting fires being able to bring it sown in the way it was brought down.

No logical explanation was provided by the government and the media of how the buildings came down "virtually in their own footprint and at freefall speed.

There are other mysteries that have not been explained, such as how the planes apparently maneuvered at the apparent speed and altitude... and why the heck Bush was reading a book upside down.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:29 | 5375896 RealityCheque
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Because he's a moronic fuckstick. Mystery solved.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:27 | 5375894 RealityCheque
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Whatever about WTC 1, care to explain how WTC 7 fell in on itself at freefall speed when it wasn't struck by anything?

How the hole in the pentagon, in the exact area where criminal investgations into the dealings of banks and government were going on, had no impact marks from the wings?

How flight 93 completely disintegrated into confetti on impact, completely contradicting the impact make-up of every other airline crash in history? 

But yep, Saudis. Why the fuck not.

Sure beats asking some really hard questions about what american "freedom" has turned into.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 09:58 | 5375983 sleigher
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A friend of mine went to shanksville to see the crash site, he said there was a rubber chicken in the hole where the plane supposedly hit.  

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:19 | 5376326 TBT or not TBT
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The assholes piloting that plane were under attack by the passengers and chose to crash the plane.   Chose.   They nosed straight in under power.  Most plane crashes do not have the profile you are complaining doesn't exist.   Yet it does.  

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:41 | 5376383 moneybots
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"Whatever about WTC 1, care to explain how WTC 7 fell in on itself at freefall speed when it wasn't struck by anything?"

 

Where do you imagine that 7 World Trade wasn't struck by anything?

The southwest corner was damaged on multiple floors and a multistory vertical gash was inflicted on the face of the south wall, when debris from a collapsing 1 World Trade crashed into it.  Thus fires began on multiple floors.  The fires were left to burn, uncontrolled.

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 16:46 | 5377019 escargot
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Oh sure, and those debris-generated "uncontrolled" fires weakened the structure in all the right places to cause a total symmetrical collapse? You seriously believe that?

Dude, you couldn't set fires ON PURPOSE to make a skyskraper collapse like that.  Come on....

Are you a troll or are you someone who simply refuses to believe the obvious because of the implications of believing your own eyes?  I don't know how any reasonable adult human being could watch the video of WTC7 going down and come to any other conclusion than that they are witnessing a controlled demolition.  Then again, mass hypnosis and mind control is a powerful and effective thing....

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 20:34 | 5377582 AE911Truth
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Escargot,  moneybot's paycheck obviously depends upon believing USGov. lies.

He doesn't yet grasp the concept that fiat currency is an instrument of theft.

Moneybots, please read E. Griffin's "A Creature from Jekyell Island".

Also, try reading "Murdering Liberty Killing Hope" by Jeff Prager available as a downloadable PDF.

http://davidjgregory.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/murdering-liberty-killing-hope.pdf

 

http://eyeoncitrus.blogspot.com/2011/05/murdering-liberty-killing-hope.html

 

Good luck, you're going to need it.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:45 | 5376246 moneybots
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"But the same Laws of Physics which demonstrate the impossibility of those buildings falling at near Free Fall speeds unless it was a controlled demolition..."

 

How long did it take for a floor to be stripped from the flanges holding it to the outer columns, as tons of debris fell on it?  Rather instantaneously, thus the Towers collapsed rapidly, floor by floor.

Free falling column sections still fell at a rate considerably faster than the Towers were collapsing.  It wasn't even close to being a tie, between the first free column section hitting the ground and the second floor hitting the ground.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 17:04 | 5377065 escargot
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Bottom line of the whole scene is very simply stated.

Three steel framed buildings all "collapsed" symmetrically--and in a matter of seconds (whether or not it was exactly at "free fall" speed doesn't make a shit bit of difference, the point is that it took a matter of seconds)--all on the same day.  Two were hit by planes, and the third was hit by debris which "caused fires". 

All the NIST yammering hullabaloo can't change the fact that the odds of that happening are about the same as the odds of walking into a casino and hitting the jackpots on 3 consecutive pulls of a slot lever.  Ain't happening.  

Never mind that hundreds of witness--including police and firemen--reported explosions in the buildings.  Never mind that large chunks of the buildings were hurled laterally hundreds of feet away as the buildings "collapsed".  Never mind that that it's fucking OBVIOUS to anyone with two eyes that they are being demolished....we MUST believe what the government and the TV tells us!  They wouldn't lie!

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:45 | 5376385 flapdoodle
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Physics is incredible! Not only can the kinetic energy of an aluminum Boeing cut trhough the steel girders of a building, it can also cut through the steel girders of building right next to it so it will fall exactly the same way, and also cut through the steel girders of a building half a klick away without even touching it, so it will fall exactly the same way!

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 21:39 | 5375040 Squid-puppets a...
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Just on a very sober note, Tahoebilly, that someone in the US govt knew about it before hand and 'failed to prevent' seems the most plausible explanation. Theres tonnes of evidence of intelligence chatter - massive sales of insurance company shares the day before - the convenient destruction of critical records in WTC7 - the pathetic inaccountability of the investigations - the way WTC7 collapsed neatly on its footprint totally outrules 'fire damage' -

i dont claim to know anything conclusively, but i am surprized that someone of your shrewdness in financial matters isnt less skeptical of the official narrative on 9/11

 

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 21:49 | 5375059 chumbawamba
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That it was a staged event is not a relevant question to anyone with a modicum of knowledge of the events of 9/11.  The question now is who was in on it?

Once you understand the foundational reasons behind why the towers had to come down then you cease asking the simple questions and move on to the complicated ones.  I'll be so bold as to submit that 9/11 was planned long before the Twin Towers were even designed.

They were built to serve as a sacrificial temple.

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:01 | 5375237 TahoeBilly2012
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I am totally against the official story, I just find the flight into the Pentagon hard to swallow from a Jihadi pilot. Luckiest damn flight in history if it wasn't "drone guided" or a missile as some suggest. I suppose EVERY story I have heard about 9-11 seems hard to swallow, was it lucky Jihadi pilots or drones, it was all pretty freaky. I don't like Armstrongs suggestion they actually "expected" am amateur to destroy records at the Pentagon, just stop and think about that for a second. The Towers, maybe.

Armstrong fails to explain how the Jihadi's picked the exact targets the Bankers wanted to destroy, unless we are supposed to fill in teh blanks that he is infering it was funded/orchestrated by a third party (Bandar Bush) to help the Bankers. His writing is goofy at best, doesn't add up.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:08 | 5375278 0b1knob
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The government couldn't arrange a hummer from an intern for Bill Clinton without everybody on earth hearing about it.   But they are capable of faking 9-11.

Wake up and smell the chaos.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:33 | 5375563 jeff montanye
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maybe exposing clinton and razing the towers were different parts of the same agenda.  when anything seems odd, ask yourself: what helps the likud party?

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 02:55 | 5375627 zhandax
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Chumblez, you are mixing in 'who was in on it' with 'who was behind it' with the sacrificial temple theory.  I can see it pass the 'follow the money' test, and think we could have enough world-class liars in NYC to pull it off.  But the parties changed over the years, and I have not put my finger on the constant from the building's planning stages.  May just be Friday night after a long week and a few cocktails.  Think I will go to bed and sleep on it.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:25 | 5375785 clymer
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in '69 they sure seemed to have some designs in place for shaping society

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8-zHjyP3A4#t=669

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 09:57 | 5375984 shovelhead
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That's a relief,

It was taking too long for a thread on ZH about conspiracies to go without the divine assistance of the Choos.

This story needs more Choos, dammit!

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:47 | 5375803 Notsobadwlad
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You make a good point. However, what evidence do you have that the government arranged that particular hummer for Clinton? Which government btw?

Are you saying that ALL of Clinton's sexual dalliances are public record and propagandized through the controlled mainstream media? Why that particular one? Odd, no?

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:47 | 5376395 flapdoodle
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Armstrong is just another Assange, and likely Snowden is too...

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:41 | 5375486 Plato's Law
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Yes.  9-11 is shorthand for the American version of "holocaustianity."

Zionists started telling stories of 6M dead innocent civilian so-called "Jews" since the beginning of the 20th C.  It didn't stick till WW2.

Zionists did every thing possible to entice Americans into joining WW2, and failed.  Till a Judaic employed in FDR's State Deptarment made up the term "anti-Semitism," which term helped to convince Christians they were next if they didn't get on board with the war. 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 20:53 | 5377636 AE911Truth
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During WWII, jewish bankers moved gold out of Europe and hid it in the Philippines, then declared it stolen to collect insurance from the "theft".

Link? Mouth to Ear.

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:25 | 5375543 Lore
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Re: "They were built to serve as a sacrificial temple."

Yah.  The "temple pillars" had to be brought down. Among other things.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:28 | 5375320 moneybots
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" the way WTC7 collapsed neatly on its footprint totally outrules 'fire damage' -"

 

But it didn't neatly collapse into its own footprint.  At least one building next to it to the north, was damaged.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:33 | 5375559 Lore
Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:09 | 5376132 jaap
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And in memory of Danny Jowenko, who accidentally died in a car crash (you know, the demolition expert from loose change).

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:35 | 5375565 jeff montanye
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close enough for government work.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:48 | 5375807 Notsobadwlad
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Link please, so that we can assess the significance of your claim.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:35 | 5376214 jaap
Sun, 10/26/2014 - 05:48 | 5378624 Notsobadwlad
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Right, Danny was murdered for telling the truth that the building was intentionally demolished.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:56 | 5376418 moneybots
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27 down votes, despite the fact that photography showed a buiding to the north of 7 World Trade was damaged by the collapse of 7 World Trade.  Also, a video showed part of 7 World trade fell over to the north.  A little inconvenient to the collapsed neatly into it's own footprint meme.

 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 23:47 | 5381053 Lore
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Are you just being argumentative for its own sake?  You appear to be 'splitting hairs.' Make a point of watching a large building demolition first hand, and any real doubts will fade quickly.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:58 | 5376279 moneybots
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"the way WTC7 collapsed neatly on its footprint totally outrules 'fire damage' "

 

I don't see any reason why 7 World Trade would not have fallen on its footprint, if the collapse was due to fire.

Part of the the track on the Collosus rollercoaster caught fire during dismantling.  It collapsed straight down.

7 world Trade also didn't just fall into its footprint.  At least one building to the north of 7 sustained damage from a section of the building falling over to the north.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 22:10 | 5377671 AE911Truth
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Office fires have never caused an asbestos fireproofed steel frame building to collapse in a manner that closely resembles a controlled demolition.

 

By the way, "destruction by terrorist" is the only way the WTC building owners could collect a multi billion dollar insurance payout from these buildings, since the cost of (EPA mandated) asbestos removal (including the cost of broken leases and lost rental income) would have bankrupted the building owners. That is motive.

 

The elevator rennovation two months prior to 9/11 provided opportunity.

 

MIC contacts provided the means. Where else can you get the Nano-thermite needed to cut the steel support. Iron micro-spheres found in the building residue by the USGS are evidence of thermite. Also, Nano-thermite was directly observed. Ref: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/explosive_residues.html

 

Means, Motive and Opportunity.

 

Learn more:

http://davidjgregory.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/murdering-liberty-killing-hope.pdf

 

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:08 | 5375281 mumcard
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Explain how it all turned into dust because of jet fuel and I'll eat my hat.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:40 | 5375351 wintermute
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The dust was from acre-sized concrete floor-plates pulverixing each other in seconds, releasing the  energy from massive cranes slowly stored over years, during construction.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:43 | 5375355 moneybots
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"Explain how it all turned into dust because of jet fuel and I'll eat my hat."

 

No one claimed they collapsed because of jet fuel, other than those who mock the natural collapse of the Towers due to out of control fires.  Office combustibles fueled the fires after the initial explosion.

The steel did not turn into dust.

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:17 | 5375438 mumcard
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Free fall speeds.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:27 | 5376183 viahj
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gravity

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:59 | 5376283 moneybots
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"Free fall speeds."

As the video showed, free falling column sections fell faster than the Towers collapsed.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:53 | 5375594 jeff montanye
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no, the steel was still molten days and weeks later.  damn that office furniture burns hot.

if it was real, would all the debris have been disposed of as fast as absolutely possible?  would the investigation into it seem as fishy as can be imagined?  

p.s. what do you think was whispered into g.w. bush's ear at that elementary school?  would you have stayed that long?

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 10:05 | 5375993 shovelhead
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"Pssst,

Sir, you're holding the book upside down."

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:06 | 5376301 moneybots
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"no, the steel was still molten days and weeks later.  damn that office furniture burns hot."

 

Where are the photos of liquid steel?

The only photos i have seen are of glowing steel.  There was nothing in the buildings other than office combustibles, which could have caused steel to glow like it did.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 14:38 | 5376699 detached.amusement
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you are rather incurious arent you, the evidence is there is you want to open your eyes and actually see it.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:50 | 5375808 Notsobadwlad
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Mocking is a reasonable response to total bullshit.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:13 | 5376314 moneybots
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"Mocking is a reasonable response to total bullshit."

It IS total BS that jet fuel caused anything, other than initial fires, which were fed by combustilbles commonly found in office buildings.  No one has ever claimed that jet fuel caused the Towers to collapsed.

Fire proofing is sprayed on steel because of what a an office fire can do to steel- weaken it.  It was the massive office fires which weakened the structural steel, causing it to fail.  That is no BS.

 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 05:53 | 5378627 Notsobadwlad
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Are you personally claiming that the fires caused the structural steel to fail in a way that no other structural steel building has EVER failed before or since?

Why do you believe that something that has never happened anywhere else, before or since happened twice (oh, excuse me three times) on the same day.

I have no respect for those who try to con the public with that bullshit.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:54 | 5375815 Comte d'herblay
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Man, that's a lotta dead chickens.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 10:09 | 5375996 Max Cynical
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The planes were real...any theory that postulates otherwise is fantasy.

F4 Phantom Jet Hits Concrete Wall at 500 MPH

http://youtu.be/RZjhxuhTmGk
Fri, 10/24/2014 - 22:13 | 5375133 F22
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Yes, Logicalman, however there are two important variables in that equation: mass and velocity.

The jetliner needn't have traveled at the speed of a bullet to have had sufficient intertia to penetrate the steel skin of that building.

If you estimate the mass of a full jetliner and multiply by the speed in flight prior to impact there was clearly enough total energy to 

result in the catastrophe we witnessed......

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 05:19 | 5375751 Tall Tom
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You can attempt to teach Physics here. Hell a chunk of Foam popped a hole in Space Shuttle Columbia's wing at 500 m.p.h. Reinforced Carbon Fiber has a much greater strength than that of steel.

 

A one pound chunk of foam cut right through that.

 

Logicalman claims to know the Math and Physics. Yet it is clear that he fails to understand it. He denies the Empirical Evidence...experimental results...as they are counterintuitive.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:47 | 5375913 Sean7k
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You can attempt to throw bullshit until it sticks maybe. How do you "teach" physics when you ignore all the variables? Was the Space shuttle at rest, like the building? Were the atmospheric conditions similar? How do you extrapolate from a single formula ignoring variables and doing zero testing? 

While I would never state an aluminum plane could not penetrate a concrete building, that is because I don't know of any testing of the hypothesis. I have seen pictures of 2x4's pnetrating power poles. Still, if you want to "teach" physics, you might start with good scientific protocol.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 09:02 | 5375930 nmewn
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I think you're looking for something like this...

http://www.wunderground.com/wximage/viewsingleimage.html?mode=singleimage&handle=Betty2&number=23

...if the board is moving at one mile per hour it would bounce off the tire, at two hundred miles per hour it goes right through.

The pic is from tornado damage.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 10:34 | 5376051 Sean7k
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Hey nmewn,

I'm not looking for anything. The problem with these discussions is people think they know what happened, when in reality, we only know the truth lies hidden. Heck, much of physics is a misunderstanding of the universe caused by our viewpoint being so insignificant. It seems we are beset with insecurity in the face of ignorance and grasp at explanations. 

Really, do we NEED a reason to mistrust government or the media? It should be painfully obvious by now and for many it is. Here's a question for you: is it proof if the "science" was fudged? How about Einstein's constant? We have a problem with accepting convenient solutions- which may explain why there is so much revision in "science".

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 11:32 | 5376205 Cathartes Aura
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love this,

Heck, much of physics is a misunderstanding of the universe caused by our viewpoint being so insignificant. It seems we are beset with insecurity in the face of ignorance and grasp at explanations.

it is an absolute truth that "history" brings up new "theories" over time, and "knowledge" unfolds, including precious "scientific knowledge".

so why fix the mind to a particular "truth" about reality, when in fact, reality is not fixed, but fluid. 

perspective is reality.  and undeniably, it varies with the mind holding it.  think, and act accordingly.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 14:40 | 5376702 detached.amusement
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   wow, so now a tile becoming dislodged equates to foam just puncturing right through it?

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:52 | 5375813 Notsobadwlad
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What math do you have to support your claim? And, what exactly are you claiming? Are you claiming that the total energy was enough to bring down both buildings and a third building not touched by the energy impact?

If that is your claim, then I am calling "bullshit".

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 20:58 | 5374914 chumbawamba
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The [estimated] speed of impact of AA Flight 11 was 470 mph = 689 ft/s.
The [estimated] speed of impact of UA Flight 175 was 590 mph = 865 ft/s.

Source: http://www.ae911truth.org/home/655-faq-9-were-the-twin-towers-designed-to-survive-the-impact-of-the-airplanes.html

Density of Copper: 8.96 g·cm?3

Density of Lead: 11.34 g·cm?3

Density of Aluminum: 2.70 g·cm?3

Source: Wikipedia

An airplane is not a copper and lead bullet.  The planes travelling at subsonic speeds entirely disappeared into the buildings (which then later collapsed into their own footprint).

Pray tell, genius: how?

I am Chumbawamba.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 21:05 | 5374934 Westcoastliberal
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Consider this an up vote re: italics.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 21:53 | 5375077 moneybots
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"An airplane is not a copper and lead bullet.  The planes travelling at subsonic speeds entirely disappeared into the buildings (which then later collapsed into their own footprint).

Pray tell, genius: how?"

 

The jetliners had mass and momentum.  The nose of the jetliner was not just sheet aluminum and the wings also had support structure as well.

There is nothing unusual about a building collapsing into its own footprint.  Gravity does pull straight down.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 22:14 | 5375137 chumbawamba
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lol

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:42 | 5375356 wintermute
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You laugh because you can't understand his correct explanation.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:36 | 5375474 Best Satan in Town
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Unrelated, but are you wintermute of totse?

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 14:42 | 5376707 detached.amusement
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Sorry dude but you're an idiot if you dont laugh at this remark:

 

 

There is nothing unusual about a building collapsing into its own footprint.  Gravity does pull straight down.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:01 | 5375262 Dave Thomas
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It was a 575,000,000 grain aluminum bullet with a hollow meat and kerosine filler going 500 knots.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:14 | 5375289 Paveway IV
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Sounds like more than enough to cut clean through 2" thick walled structural steel tubing.

That's why they make ALL armor-piercing bullets out of sheet aluminum and kerosene. Cuts through armor plating like butter at 600 mph. That's nearly the speed of light, so matter is almost like PURE ENERGY at that point. I'm surprised it didn't lop the whole dam top of the WTC clean off and send it spinning into New Jersey.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:27 | 5375445 Dakota Kid
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 Paveway IV "Cuts through armor plating like butter at 600 mph. That's nearly the speed of light, so matter is almost like PURE ENERGY at that point."

WTF?    I think you need to review your physics.

Light travels at about 186,000 miles per SECOND or about

670,616,629 miles per hour

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:43 | 5375488 NemoDeNovo
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Um, Paveway IV, forgot one key part to his statement, that will clairfy his statement for you, that being </sarc>

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:41 | 5375573 Lore
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@Dakota:  Sarcasm abounds. Detect it.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 03:16 | 5375663 Dakota Kid
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Thanks Lore and Nemo, I usually do detect it.  However, when it comes to the topic of 911, it's amazing what some people believe. That's probably why I missed the sarc.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 03:07 | 5375664 zhandax
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Think of all the explosive underwear on that airplane.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 03:24 | 5375677 Dakota Kid
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Don't forget the explosive shoes.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:48 | 5375496 Dave Thomas
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The Russians tried an all lead plane, but it never got off the ground, heh.

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:49 | 5375584 Lore
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Somebody somewhere is cooking up a way to pin it on Putin.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:57 | 5375514 PoliticalRefuge...
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.."I'm surprised it didn't lop the whole dam top of the WTC clean off and send it spinning into New Jersey."..

 

+1 for reasonable snark.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 13:20 | 5376486 moneybots
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"That's why they make ALL armor-piercing bullets out of sheet aluminum and kerosene. Cuts through armor plating like butter at 600 mph. That's nearly the speed of light, so matter is almost like PURE ENERGY at that point. I'm surprised it didn't lop the whole dam top of the WTC clean off and send it spinning into New Jersey."

 

Two 767's flew into the Twin Towers.  That is an obvious fact.  So obviously, both the fuselage and wings had the mass and momentum to overcome the resistance of the steel columns.

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 14:28 | 5376668 Paveway IV
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I'm willing to give you the big hole in the middle. Two foot by three foot tubular structural steel with a 2" wall would bend a little and bolted sections could detach from eachother from the impact. The engines? Meh. That's a stretch. 

Where the 'mass and momentum' argument goes to hell is when you look at the way the steel columns were cut at the outboard edges of the wings. Those sections of the wings, in particular, have no fuel and few mechanical components, and are primarily some aluminum ribs, spars and skin. I don't care if that plane was going Mach 10 when it struck the building, the outboard edges of the wings are not going to cut through 2" walled structural steel columns like they were made out of styrofoam. The aluminum will just atomize - the steel isn't going anywhere.

The only way you're going to create those kind of cuts in the right place at the right time through that much steel are by 1) putting dense metal along the length of the wing beforehand - a decent sized rod of tungsten-nickel-cobalt or depleted uranium traveling 500 kts. would do the trick, or 2) a shaped charge along the length of the wing. Aluminum wingtips? Nope, I don't think so. Pre-placed steel-cutting charges in the columns? Good luck lining up either a piloted or remote controlled 767 to hit at that exact spot. 

The cut columns were only for show, anyways. Those one-acre slabs of concrete on that side of the building were hanging in mid air, supported only by the core columns in the middle, yet didn't collapse. Any kind of real-life structural failure at the core would have started with the upper floors tilting in an obvious way toward that damaged side first, not dropping straight down. You have to cut ALL the central core columns at the exact same instant to get that kind of collapse. Demolition, not office or kerosene fires. 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 06:06 | 5375774 Tall Tom
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Actually, moneybots, the mass of that building is resistance.

 

Collapses are FLUID. The solid structurs fails and the mass begins to behave as a fluid.  Have you ever heard that fluids travel in the path of least resistance?

 

In fact you can watch the fluidity of the collapse as some of the mass did not fall in its own footprint.

 

But most of the mass did fall into its own footprint. That indicates that the pancake theory proposed by NIST could not have occurred...as there would have been RESISTANCE from other floors without their supports failing below.

 

So the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE suggests that solid structure was turned into fluidity in a very short time span and the fluid fell in the path of least resistance as all supporting columns were cut.

 

Yes buildings are dynamic. And collapses are even that much more dynamic.

 

The 9/11 Commission Report is garbage.

 

But I will have to hand it to you, either as a useful tool or a member thereof, and the rest of the Intel Agencies, for that misinformation campaign which has not been totally in vain.

 

But when this republic fails totally, and that time is now measured in numbered days, there will be those whom seek out those people involved in the tragedy and retribution will not be so civilized.

 

I believe that there needs to be a resurgence in Crucifixtion as a punishment for murder. That is the type of death which they deserve.

 

9-11 is the Litmus Test after all. 

 

Do not be so shocked.

 

Even Yahweh God condemns people to hell, everlasting punishment, just for what they believe.

 

I mean that the justice is only Biblical.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 12:55 | 5376415 flapdoodle
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Stealing McLuhan's paradigm, the conclusion to be reached from the 9/11 Report is from what is missing from it: WTC7.

That is sufficient to give away what really happened.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 13:43 | 5376545 moneybots
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"But most of the mass did fall into its own footprint. That indicates that the pancake theory proposed by NIST could not have occurred...as there would have been RESISTANCE from other floors without their supports failing below.

 

So the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE suggests that solid structure was turned into fluidity in a very short time span and the fluid fell in the path of least resistance as all supporting columns were cut."

 

The columns could be seen strewn all over the place.  There was no evidence of them having been cut.  Once the collapse began, there was no way of preventing floors from collapsing rapidly.  The floors were held to the exterior columns by a flange.  Floor trusses would have easily and near instantaneously been stripped from connection to the columns, considering the force of the falling debris.

The floor trusses were contained inside the Towers, so naturally they would have fallen as debris down upon the next floor below, inside the footprint.  It isn't rocket science.  

"But I will have to hand it to you, either as a useful tool or a member thereof..."

That comment is just too funny.

 

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 14:46 | 5376716 detached.amusement
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"There was no evidence of them having been cut. "

 

 

nope, none at all, unless of course you open your eyes and use fkn google.

 

http://www.debunking911.com/cut3.jpg

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:24 | 5375313 TheReplacement
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It is entirely believable that the planes would have disappeared into the twin towers due to the fact they only had to rip through some outter columns and glass.  The fortress Pentagon on the other hand....

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:11 | 5375531 holgerdanske
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this is what happens at these speeds. What do you actually expect?

a small lump of compressed aluminium on the outside of the building?

 

 

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 05:27 | 5375753 Tall Tom
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Watch this video of the Foam Strike and the experiment Chumba...

 

Just three minutes of your time...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgQ3ekcvyRA

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 21:55 | 5375080 Dakota Kid
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UMH: "The same way a copper and lead bullet goes through steel plate if it's moving fast enough."

You are comparing apples and oranges. That  being a solid lead bullet with copper jacketing vs an airplane which is essentially a hollow aluminum tube.

Also, as altitude decreases, the atmospheric drag increases and decreases an airplanes top speed. A boeing 767 can't even reach mach 1 (Approx 1100ft/sec at room temp) at cruising altitude, let alone at sea level. However, even a pistol bullet can reach 1100ft/sec and many rifle bullets initial velocity can exceed 3000ft/sec. Combine this with the fact that kinetic energy equals 1/2 mass x velocity squared. It is the large amount of energy and small surface area that enables a bullet to go through steel.


Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:28 | 5375321 TheReplacement
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The engines are pretty solid.  They found ample evidence and the remains of the engines in the Pentagon.

/Sarc

/Sarc explained:  They found nothing of the engines in the Pentagon.  This suggests that the building was able to disintegrate the engines to the point of utter obliteration.  If we accept that as a fact then the aircraft should have left a lot of debris on the exterior of the building since the building was obviously strong enough to destroy it.  The only outstanding factor that could weigh in favor of the entire plane entering the building and disintegrating completely is speed/velocity.  Just how fast would the plane need to be going to accomplish this?  Faster than such a plane could travel, missile fast.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:36 | 5375475 Dakota Kid
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F4 vs concrete wall, 54 second video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 01:41 | 5375581 Paveway IV
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I was in that F-4. You can just barely see my legs flying out of the top left part of the explosion. Those pussies - I just took a couple of Tylenol and walked it off. I could still have taken out the nuke plant if my Chey Tac didn't bend like a pretzel. The KSVK would have bounced off the wall without a scratch, just like me.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 04:07 | 5375656 Dakota Kid
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Yeah, I remember, you were in the back seat.  I was in the front seat and got a scratch on my forehead.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 13:57 | 5376591 moneybots
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"They found nothing of the engines in the Pentagon."

You must have missed the published photographs.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:26 | 5375892 Agstacker
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Yea, those airplanes were moving at 2700 FPS.  Moron.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 22:34 | 5375175 Crawdaddy
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For new peeps, a source checking observation:
Martin Armstr0ng was the gopher boy for Brit Neocon Sir Alan Walters. Armstr0ng's mentor was a card carrying member of the NWO. Walters is dead now but when he was alive this is how Walters spent his time:

> Monetarist econ advisor to Margaret Thatcher
> Adviser to the World Bank
> Vice Chairman of AIG Trading Group
> American Enterprise Institute

AEI, you may have heard, is the HQ for the NeoCon NWO Goat Worshipers  who are responsible for damn near every bad thing happening in the world right now.

Armstr0ng's writings show he is trying to keep that NWO flame alive, doing his part by highlighting one side of a manufactured conflict. A manufactured conflict brought to you by his handlers in NeoCon central - the American Enterprise Instute. They have spent years pushing their Hegelian dialectic, order out of chaos game plan.
Armstr0ng is one their pets. He may have arrived at this point against his will, via bribery, coercion etc, leveraging his trouble with the law. The outcome is he is neocon pet and therefore a professional shit disturber.

Over the past three years he is portrayed as a"voice of knowledge" on this site (and others). He typically posts three paragrahs and a few pics for impact.

Who is this guy and where did he come from? Why should we listen to what he has to say? Peculiar - he never calls out the banksters.

Caveat emptor amigos.

 

<ps - still waiting for someone to prove me wrong. Waiting for three years now>

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 22:44 | 5375219 Crawdaddy
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Shaazam! Within minutes of that comment, Old Martin is promoted to top story on ZH. Yay information warfare!

Hopefully one of his minions wil pop up here to dispute me.

Come on wise guys - down arrows without comment is for girly men

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:50 | 5375499 nope-1004
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Don't know what you're screaming to yourself about, but yes, I agree that Armstrong doesn't pass the smell test.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 03:46 | 5375692 Bay of Pigs
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He isn't even close. Apparently some of our fellow posters are still asleep too.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 08:45 | 5375910 messymerry
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A goodly number of our fellow posters work for .gov 

;-D

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 02:01 | 5375602 Lore
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Nice research. Thanks for posting.  I noticed that he doesn't criticize central bank inflation.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 03:45 | 5375687 Sages wife
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What inflatio...or whatever.  - Benyellen

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 07:18 | 5375828 Notsobadwlad
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Which kinda implies that ZH is just a Zionist/neocon (or more appropriately whoever is behind them) tool as well.

It concerns me that they decided to publish such an article at this time because it looks to be for the purpose of gauging the response ... which most likely implies that they have another "event" planned.

No one with an ounce of critical thinking buys the 9/11 bullshit story. No one with an ounce of critical thinking buys the story for the bullshit bailout in 2008.

Here we are coming up on another 7 years later. One of my particular concerns is a repeat of Fukushima on the east coast of the US. By that I mean, we really do not know if the Fukushima tidal wave was caused by a natural earthquake. There were reports that the seismic profile was more like a nuclear bomb than a 9.0 (or 8.9) earthquake. It sure would be easy to hide the evidence of a nuclear explosion underneath all of that radiation tainted water released into the ocean.

Then again, they could send a kinetic device into the ocean and claim it was a meteorite.

Why did the NSA relocate to Utah, the CIA to Colorado and a bunch of their support to New Mexico? Is it because they like the mountains better than the east coast?

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 10:48 | 5376077 Cathartes Aura
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here's an unquestioned fact that ties those two events together - both occurred on an "eleven" date.  which, often, is a dog whistle.

earlier in the year, Lagarde spoke of the number seven, and, wouldn't you know it, all kinds of events have happened that echo that number.  coincidence or conspiracy?  of interest to me - 2001 + 7 = 2008, and 2008 + 7 = 2015. . . patriarchal religions hold the seventh week day as "holy" - and jewish faith has a particular story that relates - shmittah. 

 

I'll leave you to your own research, if it piques any interest.  the fact that a sunrise brings daylight, and the setting sun brings darkness can be observed.  the naming of "days" and dividing them into "calendar months/years" - well, that requires belief.

 

"The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once."   ~ Einstein

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 06:04 | 5378637 Notsobadwlad
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9 represents man or as some believe, "the enlighten man".

11 represents the magician or master and also transition.

9/11 represents the transition of the enlightened man to be the master.

666 represents 9 (6+6+6=18, 1+8=9), not 6. 144000 also represents 9 (1+4+4+0+0+0 = 9).

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 00:02 | 5381070 Lore
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Thanks Cathartes and NotSoBad,

The fact that wars are fought and nations ruined over a stupid little debt coupon testifies to the power of Perception Manipulation and the achieved outcome of Belief. But that doesn't make it any less a Con.  The more time I spend on this kind of thing, the more puerile it seems and the less respect I have for the groups that use it to mislead and exploit their sheeple. Just because it works doesn't make it any less EVIL.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:19 | 5375303 Crawdaddy
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Come out from the shadows & comment Mr Down Arrow, or remain a coward..

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:30 | 5375325 disabledvet
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No crabby patty for you would appear.  Still...that's some serious snapper.  "Always at the ready.  The craw daddy.". I got one of those once...and let me tell tell ya...once those clippers chomped on my them I set that phucker free con gusto.

Fri, 10/24/2014 - 23:45 | 5375366 Crawdaddy
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Not trying to stir up trouble....just looking for answers. Sunshine scares the hell out of the right people.

Sat, 10/25/2014 - 00:19 | 5375440 disabledvet
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For the record I did see that craw daddy as food.  2 million years of genetic engineering taught him exactly how to deal with me though.  He got my thumb and pressed the "squeeze program" and that guy was free in five seconds.

Taught me a lesson too..

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