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Martin Armstrong On The Danger Of Conspiracy Theories
Submitted by Martin Armstrong via Armstrong Economics blog,
If you want to hide something in plain view, exaggerate it to the point it becomes extreme and convert it to a conspiracy theory. This is a very standard in how to create propaganda and if you keep saying a lie, its becomes the truth to many without ever having to prove anything. To uncover the truth, takes digging. This I have discovered both in politics as well as market fundamentals.
The two big conspiracy theories to be exaggerated that cover up the truth are the 911 WTC Attack and the Kennedy Assassination. With the former, people take it to the extreme and claim there was not even an attack by terrorists and the whole thing was made up. Sorry, there was an attack and the government knew it was coming and allowed it to for three purposes
- (1) eliminate the evidence on many cases in WTC7 including all my evidence that documented EVERY market manipulation up to 1999 by the investment banks et al for which they are getting fined all the time today
- (2) wipe out the evidence that would have exposed the missing $2 trillion in the Pentagon budget, and
- (3) generate more power for government by allowing Americans to be victims as originally proposed in Operation Northwoods.
Now, that is far closer to the truth than claiming there was no Middle East terrorists involved at all, Strange, for that does not jive with Saudi Arabia threatening Russia with terrorism or the funding of ISIS to overthrow Syria which has now overthrown most of Iraq.
Then there is the Kennedy Assassination spun to be the product of the Mafia or with Oswald’s Russian connection. Eisenhower in his Farewell Address warned of the vast military complex that had grown out of World War II employing over 3 million people. There was no such industry before that war and the view was now Communism would take the world. My father was a Colonel under General Patton and you to tell me all the time about him as a child how he read the books of his opponent and how he accurately predicted that the real enemy would be Stalin and wanted to go all the way to Moscow.
In the Third 1960 Presidential Debate, Kennedy exposed the truth behind the decline in the Bretton Woods System – it was the vast expenditure on the military. Her said:
Now on the question of gold. The difficulty, of course, is that we do have heavy obligations abroad, that we therefore have to maintain not only a favorable balance of trade but also send a good deal of our dollars overseas to pay our troops, maintain our bases, and sustain other economies.
The price of silver was rising and Kennedy set in motion the withdraw of silver from the monetary system. This too has been spun into a conspiracy theory Here they have spun JFK’s Executive Order 11110 into the Federal Reserve killed Kennedy because he was taking their power to print currency away. You just can’t get any more far-fetched than that one.
Simply put, JFK also said the US current account deficit could be stopped at any time if the government stopped expanding its military worldwide for that was sending dollars offshore. If anyone had a motive, it was the very same people behind the NSA abuse of power – not the Federal Reserve, Mafia, or Russians. Just follow the money and you get closer to the truth – i.e. Halliburton, Cheney and the Iraq War against a nation who was against religious fanatics, the very terrorists who attacked the USA – go figure that one out without following the money. We took out two dictators who kept religious fanatics in check -Saddam Hussein and Muammar al-Gaddafi.
BTW, as soon as Halliburton was to be investigated, they moved to Dubai. Just follow the money.
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Why have the conspiracy when you can have the Russians instead?
Far easier to fight a war with them than fight one against your own people...yes,yes?
There is no way in hell the military itself wants to be seen as the enemy of the American people...not after Vietnam. Not after winning the Cold War.
Far better to let the politicians handle it...yes,yes?
"Vote for me so I can kill you"... Yes, yes?
Perhaps Eisenhower felt it was the only way to clear something that had been on his conscience for a long time. After all, Eisenhower did write the Army's official incident report which endorsed MacArthur's conduct in the Bonus Army incident.
This Armstrong lunatic seems to think he's not quite as psychotic as your standard ZH conspiracy theorist. I'm not so sure. It appears to be a photo finish race between nutjobs & crackpots.
Explain building 7 (if you even know what it is). Otherwise Martin Armstrong, whoever you are, you might as well not post on ZH anymore. You are a laughing stock.
I saw squibs.
The danger of conspiracy theories is that they are propagated by delusional nutjobs.
The intellectually challenged, clinicallly depressed, and/or those chronically fearful of facing life's challenges rely on these lunatic fantasies to explain and justify their failures and inability to accept life's disappointments at face value.
And then there are predators that come along that feed on these hoplessly fearful souls creating yet more misery. All they need is a nut with a delusion.
Enter Messr. Armstrong and the others of the freak parade.
Do you wonder how 6 million Jewish people were marched into concentration camps without a riot?
They were told they were boarding trains which would take them to work in factories.
Did you know that someone tried to warn them (a muscle man act who traveled the region, performing in taverns) but they told him he was nuts.
My read of history is completely different than yours. Hitler made clear his intentions. There was no conspiracy. Nobody marched into the concentration camps naive, but some underestimated the murderous impulse of the Nazi regime: they thought they were cheap labor, turned out there was a sadistic element. Theirs was a common reaction from typically middle class people that don't have much experience with violent abusive people. Similar to abused wives, children and the like. Note that realization came soon, and in the Warsaw Ghetto the jews fought off the vastly better armed Nazis for months. They were outgunned and defeated and the choice reduced to dying immediately or living to fight another day.
The problem I am highlighting here is different. It is the suspension of disbelief that dominates a particularly miserable type of person. They are easy to use and abuse. Look, it is fine to suspend disbelief in a movie theater, but not in real life with real problems. The facts become so hard to take that these people choose to accept crap as the truth. Not only accept it, but it becomes impossible to see any other possibility, even if it is a more parsimonious explanation consistent with the facts.
The truth is that Obama is just another problem, but that doesn't make Putin any less of a problem. The truth is that the petrodollar is a meaningless construction. What makes the dollar THE reserve currency is that 70% (estimate) of the world's debt is dollar denominated. You need dollars and will scrounge for dollars if necessary because a bond "binds" you to the dollar. It isn't going anywhere as long as this binds. I'm not even going to entertain most of the stupid conspiratorial things I read form people like Armstrong. Just check his bio.
Playing Cassandra may be a noble calling in some limited sense, but I can't see it. Usually it just makes you a nut.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1383612/Jan-Karski-warned-Holoca...
Here is the article. But another man attempted to warn those in Warsaw ghetto. He was a muscle man traveling act. He died of tetanus while pushing a nail through a board with his bare hands, punctued his thigh and succumbed to infection.
Bunny, I have no doubt that there were plenty of people who warned people just how insane Hitler was, but the facts were already available to all. And as he or others escaped the camps, it was the facts that were important and weighed
Again, there is a chasm between those who state their observation of facts and those who spin bullshit in order to exploit a certain kind of person.
Just read the testimony of Hans Frank at Nuremberg. He claimed "guilt on the German people for a thousand years" but still found it within himself to declare death wrong for him because the Pope said so.
There was probably a lot of truth to that I might add. ALL OF EUROPE WAS IN ON THE HOLOCAUST...NOT JUST THE GERMANS.
Even FDR wasn't "clean" as they say.
You need not read the transcripts....as extraordinary as they are. Justice Jackson himself is all you need to know. "We'll kill them in discovery." Not even the Russians...who tried to blame Katyn on the Germans at trial!...could stand in the way of the enormity of "the summary."
And yes....US Marines wore teeth around their neck. And yes...they used skulls as candle holders too.
They were NOT however allowed pen or paper.
Incredibly one Marine used his bible and a pen and wrote "with the old breed" (R Leigh Sledge)...one of the greatest war memoirs ever written.
Stop venting sometime AND READ THE BOOK. That one is a true page turner....
There is only one thing that really needs to be taught in history class at school and that is WWII. Not only about battles and who killed whom, death camps etc. but also about propaganda and how easy it is to make somebody believe something. "The bigger they lie, the more likely that people will believe it" or something of that matter was said by the Nazis themselves.
We believe that these events can never happen again but they happen still the world over. We believe they cannot happen to us in the West anymore because somehow we are enlightened. But the people that governed the world after WWII and who lived through those horror woving to never let it happen again, these people don't govern the world anymore. Now there is a new generation of nut jobs coming to the political scene.
I imagine in much the same way 330 million Americans continue to put up with the Federal Reserve and the Federal Government that screws them over on a 24/7 basis...
I repeat what I stated below to another poster:
"Why does it matter that the Fed was created? The Fed is merely a lender of last resort by design. It lends to banks at terms it sets typically in the money market, who in turn lend to everyone else. In normal times, it is nearly invisible. When things go awry, it is obvious.
Is there colluson and corruption? Sure, but collusion and corruption is a part of human society and predate lending in all forms.
Before the Fed, J P Morgan performed the same function. Before him, the Rothschild's did. this role of central banking and its associate credit money just happen to coexist concurrently with the greatest expansion in human welfare in recorded history. Not saying these institutions are entirely to be credited for this expansion, but they did play a contributing role. At the same time, they are not completely responsible for all the problems of the last few years. They surely did play a big role in them, one must admit.
The technological revolutions we take for granted likely wouldn't be possible without the low rates associated with central banking. I acknowledge the good just as I acknowledge the bad."
"First, the striking aircraft alone simply could not have brought down either of the two buildings in the manner in which they fell, much less a third building which was not hit by a plane…This means the attackers had assistance on the ground, and it had to have been active before the attacks occurred: preparing buildings for controlled demolition is not something done haphazardly in the midst of chaos. Second, only two intelligence agencies had the expertise, assets, access and political protection to execute 9/11 in the air and on the ground: our CIA and Israel's Mossad. Only one had the incentive, using the “who benefits” principle: Mossad. And that incentive dovetailed perfectly with the neo-con’s agenda and explicitly expressed need for a catalytic event to mobilize the American public for their wars, using American military power to destroy Israel’s enemies.”
-- Dr Alan Sabrosky , a US Marine Corps veteran, a Vietnam veteran, Director of Studies at the US Army War College, and delusional nut-job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jwieqSNpnM
Let me just say this. Sabrosky may be the smartest expert on the matter around, but he can't say with certainty he knows the destructive effect of all that fuel igniting and striking a building at such high speed. He also can't say he knows that the building was designed to withstand an impact from a commercial airliner. Nobody, not even the designers, can know this. It was an unforeseen contingency never planned for. If he does say he knows these things, he is working an exploitative agenda or is a delusional nutjob.
From my own experience, I have written code that produced an output that couldn't be exactly predicted even though I understood and validated every rule. There was iterative fractal properties involved that generated complexy outputs from reasonably simply rules.
Another example, not tto long ago, a fuel tanker hit a concrete overpass column supporting a 4 lane highway I drive. The structure was designed to take the collision, but the fuel ignited and literrally metled the metal inside the concrete. There were melted steel icicles hanging from that thing that warped the concrete aorund it. They had to tear it all down.
Not everything good or bad that happens is by design. The dude is stepping away from facts and into delusional/sadistic speculation when he says that Mossad is responsible with absolutley no support. Especially when facts regarding the planning and people lead directly to in Laden and his bastards.
Okay folks, a lesson in god damn jew lies.
" He also can't say he knows that the building was designed to withstand an impact from a commercial airliner. Nobody, not even the designers, can know this. It was an unforeseen contingency never planned for."
http://youtu.be/9fQlC2AIWrY
Everything you say is a lie.
To protect the jews, the kosher master race.
Dancing jews arrested then let go in 911
http://youtu.be/UMkX5uemLyk
Why were they arrested?
http://youtu.be/tRfhUezbKLw
Who arrested them?
http://youtu.be/0-B2J7tp8eg
I am not a jew, You are so full of hatred for jews that you are not rational.
I am not a jew, You are so full of hatred for jews that you are not rational.
jm
Didn't down arrow you on your response, but could you please at least "count the ways" that the information in those links are wrong because most of what is in their is hard fact?
The only thing I will agree with you on is that the word Zionist or Talmudic Ashken-Nazi should replace the word "Jew". Trust me I from time to time loosely use the "J" word and must refrain because it really shouldn't be synonymous with the 'True Torah' faith who can't stand the state of Israel and are called "self-hating" by the American and Israeli crowd.
When you slander the Zionist' they loves it when you use the J-word because like all cockroaches they hide behind the anti-semite label to castigate anyone that denigrates their race which is not Middle Eastern but in fact is Eastern European mixed heritage!
Benjamin Freeman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY90MSkQtrE
The Office of Strategic Services, forerunner of the Central Intelligence Agency, summarized Mr. Schulte's information on Hitler's plan for the mass killing of Jews as a ''wild rumor inspired by Jewish fears,'' Mr. Kraut and Mr. Breitman wrote.
http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/29/world/man-who-warned-of-hitler-s-desig...
Of course. Follow the money. Oil industry -> Heartland institute....
You just can’t get any more far-fetched than that one.
When you see that without sufficient proof presented, it's like code for 'this is what you SHOULD be looking at'
So..where are all the passengers who were on the manifests?
How does it make sense to say "follow the money" and dismiss the Federal Reserve? The Federal Reserve IS the money.
Martin Armstrong is a former NWO lackey and no longer part of the club. He is on par with Jeffrey Christian and I don't feel he has any credibility. My grandfather always said never listen to people or trust people who tell you some truth but also lie to you. Armstrong is a hack. I corresponded with him and found him to be arrogant, proud, and self absorbed. That's his flaw. He can't look outside of his ridgid construct of the world. He very well might have Asperger's. I find his above article insulting. Trust your gut and your intuition. Sure folks like Alex Jones are passionate about this or that and are out of keel about certain issues, but they continue to show the other side of stories and you see patterns form in social and political directions. I'll never forget in Austin, when Alex met the same DPS officer who arrested him 10 years earlier at a protest in the Texas Capital. He asked the officer, "do you remember arresting me?" He said yes. Alex asked, "Do you remember how I said they'd be warrentless blood draws for DUI?" He said yes. Then he asked him, "And what happened?" The DPS officer mummbled, "Now we have warrentless forced blood draws for DUI's."
It's not about conspiracies; it's about agendas. Yes, the motor companies didn't conspire to put the trolley companies out of business in the 1930's through 1950's Now it's a fact and is documented that they did, like countless other things' Gulf of Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, etc. Agendas.
Like Andrew Gause the monetary historian says on his radio show Secret World of Money, "When you speak out or expose certain things "the boys" don't like, suddenly you don't get the calls to be on CNN or this or that financial talk show ect."
I see Armstrong as a man desperate to get back what he lost and he won't. It's really insulting for him to hold the views he has and drop his articles here and around the internet on the sites he does, in a way, mocking us as readers from the other side of the isle. He's basically a John Perkin's who didn't make good on a book deal. I admire John Perkins for telling the truth, but he can't wash his hands at what he participated in. There are also many financial folks, like Jim Paplava or Doug Casey who are sharp as a tack on certain financial matters, but fear the heat they'd take if they told the truth about various things, so they avoid the issues.
Hey Martin, where was all this when you were part of Dollar, Inc? Seems you were pretty quiet back in those days. You told me their was no government manipulation of the markets in any way. Now you say just the opposite. A little bit of truth, a little bit of lies.
That's how I see it.
Well said cfd
"It's not about conspiracies; it's about agendas. Yes, the motor companies didn't conspire to put the trolley companies out of business in the 1930's through 1950's Now it's a fact and is documented that they did"
It was some time ago now, but i think it was back in the 1980's, that the L.A. Reader had an article stating that the car companies didn't puposely drive the trollies out of business.
Early days photos of modern Los Angleles show areas of empty land. Those areas did not have trolley service. Those areas have long since filled in. The automobile became popular, just as cell phones became popular. The auto became the more practical way to get around a sprawling metropolitan region.
There are various rail lines that have been built to downtown Los Angeles, but a lot of people don't live within easy walking distance of the lines or the stations.
Is that you Martin? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
I'm posting here because there is no other vector than yours. You are about to lose the best math ever perfected. Mke sure you protect this vital intelligence.
i believe the government gives up on questions where the real answers are too deep
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it could be frightening bitchez
Look at the treacherous deceptions by omission.
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1223928
How does one justify name calling as a debate tactic? Thats what the label is about. If I call BS one something the honest responce should be logical or relevant. But no I get a list of insults and vileness. This is not how things of any import are discused. Its not the lies, its that we fall for them. Answer the questions properly and this would not happen. Oh thats right you dont have a good answer.
Yes there are grand conspiracies. Yes they can go on for centuries. Many people can keep a secret to the grave so long as it works for them.
100 years ago the FED was hatched. The dancing around the truth of it has gone on all this time. They knew from the start. Its theft.
I call myself a realist. Prove me wrong or stfu.
What does it matter when the Fed was created? The Fed is merely a lender of last resort by design. It lends to banks at terms it sets typically in the money market, who in turn lend to everyone else. In normal times, it is nearly invisible. When things go awry, it is obvious.
Is there colluson and corruption? Sure, but collusion and corruption is a part of human society and predate lending in all forms.
Before the Fed, J P Morgan performed the same function. Before him, the Rothschild's did. this role of central banking and its associate credit money just happen to coexist concurrently with the greatest expansion in human welfare in recorded history. Not saying these institutions are entirely to be credited for this expansion, but they did play a contributing role. At the same time, they are not completely responsible for all the problems of the last few years. They surely did play a big role in them, one must admit.
The technological revolutions we take for granted likely wouldn't be possible without the low rates associated with central banking. I acknowledge the good just as I acknowledge the bad.
jm
I love the smell of a priori in the morning.
Hence your ying yang avatar
Every mode of thinking starts with a prior. My prior is that man is motivated in turns by greed and fear. Sometimes by love, but it is less often.
jm
This is very true. Man's education K through BA is one of learning through previous examples. But by the time we've graduated from college, we have a collection of our own experiences, some of which contradict the a priori explanation of what we were taught to believe.
In matters of spirituality, ethics and morality, love and hate, good and evil, business, etc., our own personal experiences may be different from the books we've read or the classes we took.
Suddenly empiricism emerges.
Oh, oh, the flashing red lights of the comment police in my rear view mirror. I better go now.
Lender, huh? Nobody's lending anybody anything. And don't call it money; its not. You should learn more about fractional reserve banking and fiat currency before you spout your nonsense.
There many reasons why people and firms who used to get credit cannot now. The chief reason in my view is that global population growth is slowing. This leads to weak demand, which makes it harder to service debt. Lenders have to provision for losses and they become more conservative. Populationcontraction is not a banker's fault.
Plus the government interferes in thier industrry in staggering ways, making it even tougher to accomodate lending. The government is merely reacting to the last crisis instead of thinking about anticipating future crises.
I don't really disagree with the "things are unravelling" meme of ZH, just think that the blame is placed on a symptom, not the cause. It is arguable that a first cause identification is not even possible in the anthills we build, but seems population growth is the basic start point.
Credit money is money. You don't pay it back you pay a penalty at the discretion of the lender. You use it to buy stuff. You may not like that type of money for whatever reaosn, but it has served its purpose pretty well over the last decades.
I use the Fed as an example of a con that has gone on for generations. The reply is nonsensical and has nothing to do with my point.
What about this, Sherlock?
The CIA Kennedy Assassination Theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theory
This has nothing to do with the official story. The burden of proof is not mine.
Here is one for you. Try and make Oswalds shot thru the window.
VWAndy
All other conspiracy theories pale before the Fabergé egg of conspiracy theories:
Did William J Casey order the CIA asset at Chernobyl to cause a meltdown and create a blockbuster event to eclipse the Congressional hearings that were about to begin on the Challenger disaster?
Did the Sainted Ronald Reagan overrule NASA and Thickol and order the Challenger to launch in spite of the extremely cold weather the night before? So he could talk to the astronauts in space while giving the State of the Union address that night?
Chernobyl did indeed overshadow the Challenger hearings and Reagan's loyal soldier, Bill Casey, Director of the CIA, developed brain cancer, was given a lobotomy, and was dead 53 weeks after the Ukrainian reactor melted down.
Proving once and for all, that there is honor amongst the slimeballs in the intelligence community.
Like everything else, our taste for conspiracies non est disputandum.
911 may be more to your taste.
Not really, since nukes are fake. Animals and plants have been THRIVING at Cherobyl for many, many years now. Learn to look deeper into everything as nothing is what is seems. Your whole reality has been created for you your whole life.
Now that's the conspiracy we should all be talking about.
prymy
You sure?
The only thing thriving in Ukraine seems to be the nutbaggery of Pravy Sektor and Svoboda.
All that radioactivity caused a growth spurt in the latent Nazism of Ukraine.
Red herring. Nice try.
VWA
You must have meant 'radioactive herring', no?
"If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by things that go with good judgment. He is not hampered by a sense of humour or by clarity, or by the dumb certainties of experience. He is the more logical for losing certain sane affections. Indeed, the common phrase for insanity is in this respect a misleading one. The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason."
—G. K. Chesterton
Anytime you see liberal vs conservative, conspiracy, the ebola farce is not caused by dumping formaldehyde in african wells, Washington is taking over the world and controlling the the vatican, the city of London which owns the federal reserve, and making these polices with no reference to the UN, the IMF which is the American treasury, (checks for alphabet agencies come from the IMF) wrong link dude and other idiocy, keep on moving or scroll down.
The jesuits are khazars, the swiss are their praetorian guard and they are running the show.
The Jesuit Vatican.Orsini
Breakspear
Aldobrandini
Farnese
Somaglia
All controlled through the Jesuit Order and their Knights of Malta & Teutonic Knights all based in missile protected Borgo Santo Spirito in Rome.
Pepe Orsini – Italy
Henry Breakspear – Macau, China
This is the true power finally.
This is the Guelph and the Ghibelline power over mankind.
Wow... I don't uneerstand... I don't speak foreign languages.
"This is the Guelph and the Ghibelline power over mankind"
you can't have both. it's either the one or the other of those two ancient enemies
now, if you really wanted to concoct a good conspiracy theory around those elements, you'd have to pit Guelphs in the Vatican who control the CIA but not the NSA while the Ghibellines have a Secret Emperor stitching together the EU into something appropriately nefarious, with control over the NSA but not the CIA. but then you'd still need some seasoning of Elders of Zions having separate alliances with both factions. the Knights of Malta would of course be Guelph, while the Secret Second Teutonic Knight Order (SeSe) is sworn to the Secret Emperor, and so Ghibelline
a good conspiracy theory must be constructed around facts and non-debunkable assertions. I'm afraid the "the Jesuit are Khazars" has to go, simply too easy to debunk
All conspiracy theorists need to watch this Aurini video, even if it makes their heads explode:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ew_7RC8Ok5M
He says basically, yes, our leaders are psychopaths, but maybe they don't have a big plan to screw us all. Maybe they just want us to think they have a brilliant evil plan, as they stumble from one unforeseen crisis to another.
If Aurini is right, conspiracy theorists are actually helping the powers-that-be by making them seem more capable than they really are. If the government can murder thousands of its own citizens in cold blood and brainwash the masses to believe it was an Islamist attack, I'd better get down on my knees and kowtow to that government!
anyone who doesn't believe in conspiracy theories doesn't believe 2 + 2 = 4
Like Kubrick using The Shining to admit to faking the moon landings?
Your conspiracy theory Martin has blinded you to the gosh aweful gospel truth that its the Jews, Jesuits, and Masons who have been pulling the strings for at least ten thousand years.
If Martin Armstrong has taught us anything, it's that 12 years in prison can be hard on one's writing skills. Random thought fragments do not an article make, eh Marty? It's like in Planes, Trains and Automobiles--when you're telling these little stories, here's a good idea: have a point. It makes it so much more interesting for the listener... though don't get me wrong, if anybody should know what a real conspiracy looks like, I'm guessing it'd be you.
http://wtcinmovies.tripod.com
Old lycos site. List of movies in which the WTC appears.
Conspiracy or not, I get mad when I see the towers standing in movies.
On anything Martin Armstrong writes, it can take me a few readings to get his point. In the piece above, I don't think Armstron is saying that conspiracy theorists are idiots or fools. I believe Armstrong is cautioning that the perpetrators of events like 911 or the JFK Assassination create their own conspiracy theories and distribute them in order to discredit any honest investigators of those events.
In addition, on the 911 events, Armstrong is noting that he has a personal dog in that fight: "(1) eliminate the evidence on many cases in WTC7 including all my evidence that documented EVERY market manipulation up to 1999 by the investment banks et al for which they are getting fined all the time today". Note Armstrong's words "INCLUDING ALL MY EVIDENCE".
I have read that a lot of Enron evidence also just happened to be in one of the WTC buildings burned on 911. Close buddies of Dubya Bush ran Enron.
I have also read that the paperwork on the $2 trillion of missing Defense Department just happened to be in the part of the Pentagon that burned on 911.
I would add that governments call citizens who believe that OTHER governments conspire "patriots", and call citizens who believe that THEIR OWN government ALSO conspires "conspriracy theorists".
Element of surprise is essential in this heist of epic proportions. This is the Elimination of the Middle Class. United Nations Agenda is no conspiracy and their statement regarding the unsustainable middle class lifestyle in on their web site.
U.N. Agenda 21: The Plan To Destroy the Middle Class (15 min.) - Property ownership will become more difficult as land is cordoned off as "sustainability developments where no humans will be, causing increased value/taxes of homes, for instance.
Please listen to this if you have time.
Published on Jan 20, 2013
[added to playlist]
Scientist and ecologist Dr. Michael Coffman, Tom DeWeese of the
American Policy Center, and Karen Schoen of the Save America Foundation.
They discuss the background of Agenda 21, how it is being implemented and
how it will remove individual property rights and turn people into economic
slaves to the state
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPh0R1ZvvIo
We know exactly where they are. It would not be impossible to mount an Inglorious Basterds defense against them by lighting a fire in the UN building and chaining all exits shut whilst they are in session. This is exactly what should happen. The fact that these godless basterds have diplomatic immunity in this country is offense enough. It is long past time for culling.
oh, I find those UN Conspiracy Theories the very best out of the bunch. delicious
the UN? let me see, a bunch of foreign diplomats sent to NY to tell what the governments of their countries want them to tell
all in all, if you "cull them", what would happen? plenty of more diplomats where they come from. they just represent their countries govs
so the root of your problem is... foreigners. specifically, other sovereign countries. perhaps you should focus on them? many of them are quite critical of your way of looking at the world, you know? but go on with dreaming of terrorist acts of the most useless sort
and the "UN Conspiracy" regarding "Agenda 21" is seriously fantastic
on one side, the treehuggers pointing out that some people in some countries consume, pardon me, waste more resources then whole villages in other places. they ask if a smallish woman in the suburbs really needs a car of the weight and motorization of a small tank just to drive half a county away to a nail technician, for example
on the other side, those who treat this UN proposals template as if it was a devilish "law of the planet" put there to specifically target and destroy their way of life. oh, and they love to jump on the "the UN is the world's government" conspiracy theory
You trade to acquire products that you cannot, or refuse to produce for yourself. If all your trading partner has to offer is paper or bombs, accept the former, or expect the latter.
Well Thanks Marty for wasting space and gening up a nonsense debate about largely unproveable claims.
And BTW, it is public record that Cheney gave away all of his Haliburton stock to charity before becoming VP and Johnson embedded Haliburton into the system.
How about something a little factual and topical - like how Obama's donors have been fleecing the US taxpayers.
Like where the money for Pandemic Preparedness disappeared to:
https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/washingtons-action-plan-for-ebola-squalid-waste-and-pork-barrel-spending-by-the-cdc-and-nih-seasoned-with-corruption-at-hhs/
And as Mollie Hemingway explains in The Federalist, this additional layer of bureaucracy has been MIA on Ebola, perhaps because the head bureaucrats diverted funds to a political crony.
…nobody has even discussed the fact that the federal government not ten years ago created and funded a brand new office in the Health and Human Services Department specifically to coordinate preparation for and response to public health threats like Ebola. The woman who heads that office, and reports directly to the HHS secretary, has been mysteriously invisible from the public handling of this threat. And she’s still on the job even though three years ago she was embroiled in a huge scandal of funneling a major stream of funding to a company with ties to a Democratic donor—and away from a company that was developing a treatment now being used on Ebola patients.
Anyone who backs cheney is either family, or council. Except for that guy he shot in the face.
Why create doubt about the rest of your facts by exonerating Cheney because he offloaded his Halliburton shares to a blind trust? Those trusts are as blind as Superman's X-ray vision.
Troll
How CIA invented "Conspiracy Theory" term
Stigmatizing truth seekers
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2014/10/how-cia-invented-conspiracy-t...
Anti-Exceptionalism
I find is humorous how many troll aliases are on, supporting the bullshit government explanation, trying to convince people that what happened did not happen.
Why the psy op? Do you understand that from that day onward you proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the government could not be trusted and that EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN SINCE SUPPORTING THE OLD BULLSHIT CANNOT BE TRUSTED?
There is no justification for any more bullshit war. It is all government psy op bullshit and 9/11 proved it.
Armstrong just exposed himself.
Yeah I believe jets, taken over and flown by xacto knife weilding (ooh scary) neophyte pilot arabs, who were universally panned as very poor pilots, did death defying feats of aeronotic manuver, which couldn't be done by our best fighter pilots, crashed into buildings, including the pentagon, flying 150 ft. off the ground at 500 mph, leaving a cylindrical hole, and no remnants of a plane at all 3 supposed crash sites.
That resulting "heat" melted steel girders collapsed and turned to dust in their own footprint, including buildings that weren't hit, and that one of the pilots drivers license was later found in the street (imagine that).
In the meantime, as the planes were being flown, phone calls from passengers were being impossibly received to corroborate the whole thing.
Yeah, I believe that//
MickV, some of my neighbors don't believe me when I tell them I washed out of flying school four months ago because I couldn't handle a Cessna 172 but am now flying a Boeing 757 for a major airline. I'm better than some of those 30 year airline pilots that also have been flying F-16 for the Air National Guard.
":In the meantime, as the planes were being flown, phone calls from passengers were being impossibly received to corroborate the whole thing.
Yeah, I believe that//"
People do get scared when a knife like object is pulled on them.
The hijackers basically steered the planes to their destination. With some training, it was not an impossible task. The loop in on The Pentagon was not something a fighter pilot could not have done.
Remnants of the jetliner were found at The Pentagon and photographed.
"That resulting "heat" melted steel girders collapsed and turned to dust in their own footprint..."
None of the steel turned into dust, nor was there any liquid steel photographed.
Nor was it impossible to receive phone calls from the jetliners.
911. The only conspiracy is the official story
It is okay to conjecture conspiracies, it does not make you bad or stupid. On the other hand. Bad and stupid is the man who follows the government line on everything.
able danger, a congressman lost his position over hearings on able danger..we the people are only to be told what is needed to maintain the .gov and rule by elites ..seems like historical data is lost or destroyed as SOP in many of the most important events of the past century. from JFK to 911. that is why many can reasonably think we are being lied to.
So it wasn't the Federal Reserve but the military complex? Don't they both work hand in hand. Nato is nothing but the attack dog for the Banking oligarchs.
Show me the proof that there were terrorists on the planes...and by proof I don't mean a bandana and passport that were magically not harmed at all while everything around them was caught on fire or blown up.
If it was a terrorist attack like they say then all the stuff surrounding it shouldn't have questions like said bandana, passport, made up videos after the fact of bin laden, the inplausibility that 3 guys with utility knives could take over a plane and do this FOUR times. Then of course there is WTC 7 that somehow came down and all the physics defying feats these cave dwellers were able to pull off. There are many other issues with the narrative.
To me, reality really doesn't have so much BS and questions surrounding it. If the official story is true then there wouldn't be these issues surrounding it. It'd be pretty cut and dry.
I always find it amusing when people who buy the terrroists story mock those who don't and think it si ridiculous yet somehow don't think belieivng a story that defies the laws of physics and logic isn't ridiculous.
I can't find it now, but some actuaries did a study on how all those coincidences could have happened and came up with astonomical odds of it happening.
Lore, and each one of those Global Hawks and predators have an one of those arab pilots guiding them.
Why did the pilots not follow protocal to squak a takeover of the planes???? No way cave dwellers took ovar planes and flew them into land marks that they would have had no clue to find from the skys.
"Show me the proof that there were terrorists on the planes...and by proof I don't mean a bandana and passport that were magically not harmed at all while everything around them was caught on fire or blown up."
There is plenty of proof. The air traffic recording of Atta saying "we have other planes", for one.
The fact that planes diverted from their scheduled flight paths. Phone calls from passengers and flight attendents on the hijacked jetliners. At least one flight attendent describing which seats the hijackers were sitting in.
"...the inplausibility that 3 guys with utility knives could take over a plane and do this FOUR times"
Actually, it shows the opposite, considering it happened four times. Also, there were 19 hijackers and 4 planes. Three planes had 5 hijackers and one had 4. None had only three.
Pilots were trained to fly the plane and flight attendents were trained to assist the passengers during the flight. They were not trained to perform hand to hand combat with terrorists.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZjhxuhTmGk
Cool video, but thanks for turning me on to the shoe lifts, now I can feel like a real man!
I really wish people KNEW the real Eishenhower. WAR CRIMINAL . Rhine Meadows Massacre
Don't dispute, although he did confess in his farewell address. Nobody understood at that time. I wasn't even born.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY
Start with this condensed history of Eisenhower's career; http://incogman.net/2009/09/the-war-crimes-of-eisenhower-and-zogusa/
Once ISIS fearmongering tactics evaporated, new worldwide measures needed to be taken. Ebola was reincarnated. Convert operations, ask yourself, China has been mining rare earth metals for years. It seems only Americans have contracted the disease. Banking bets need to have a reason to create our Military to regain lost territory control (ebola). The real war is Petrodollar vs. BRIC.
https://public.isishq.com/public/SitePages/Home.aspx
Enjoy...
Interesting thread with some revealing comments. The limited hangout types and gateway keepers have been noted. Sorry to see some of the old timers on ZH are falling into these categories. The real story will come out eventually but predicting when is like trying to call the "market" these days. Some people will be embarrassed by what they have posted.
Here's something to consider as these events are fairly recent. As long as the Wanta story is covered up, even with a voice printed recording and documented SWIFT transactions, the psy-op will continue unabated. The timing of Holder's resignation stands out but is being ignored. As soon as a definitive and undeniable hole is created in even one of these cover stories and disinfo campaigns, it will bring down the whole house of cards.
Articles like this serve a purpose besides attracting page views. Like the Bundy Ranch "event", it draws out the people who pose a threat. This strategy works even better on a Friday evening when posters are relaxing with their preferred intoxicants.
Be careful and keep in mind who is lurking here on ZH. Bear in mind that there are people earning a living by scrutinizing everything that goes on here. ZH is a major player reporting on the machinery that supports this shit show. If you sometimes feel overwhelmed and confused by the sheer volume of conflicting information you're exposed to, know that this is by design. ZH is no longer just a fringe website about financial chicanery.
ANYBODY ELSE TIRED OF THESE FUCKING PRUDENTIAL ADS THAT COVER THE WHOLE SCREEN EVERY TIME IT OPENS?!?!?!?!
FUCK PRUDENTIAL !!!!! I WILL NEVER BUY ANY OF THEIR CRAP SERVICES!!!!
Ralph, don't speak in riddles. Swift is the derivatives game to create debt to expand a deeply unemployed market. Government cash inflows depends on new terrorism threats, creating widgets is losing on globalization profits. Without the vehicle of fear cushion, the entire market explodes.
You think about the above stated post. Eventually, a boot will be placed on your neck.
What I said isn't supposed to be a riddle and I'm sorry it was interpreted that way. Some people who read it will understand its intent and recognize the references. People need to do their own research and come to their own conclusions.
This is very suspicious...
ZH was an insiders view of how the financial system works and what was really hapening. Many of the comments casually reflected deep understanding.
Your use of the past tense is noted.
On the upside I learned a lot from what I read and employ it in my life and have taught some of what I learned to my son.
I find it odd that forums are so simplistic in thier working so that it becomes a babble. Much more could be done to create a constructive experience while allowing for randomness.
It works in favor of the statists to keep intelligent people preoccupied by bizzar and elaborate and archane theories. The garbageman can see whats happening given some of the background of whats happening.
If I mysteriously stop posting in five weeks, then you may have a point. Unless and until then, not so much. This has been going on a long time, while the ineptitude of the watchers increasing in direct correlation to the volume of data they watch is problematic, it's not actually 1984 yet.
I agree about the ineptitude and increasing amount of data to monitor. My point is that looking at ZH activity is "low hanging fruit". It's quite possible that the gleaners will be overtaken by events and never get the chance to use it.
'As soon as a definitive and undeniable hole is created in even one of these cover stories and disinfo campaigns, it will bring down the whole house of cards.'
Jesus, are you freakin' serious? A steel grid building collapses in its own footprint without ever being hit? Larry Silverstein admits he gave the order to 'pull it' (obviously to activate the WTC 7 demolition charges), the Israeli 'students' admittng having their cameras set up 'to record the event' etc. etc. etc.
Meanwhile the MSM and (cough) law-enforcement agencies avoid the whole subject as if it were ebola-plagued. So much for bringing down the whole house of cards.
It took over half a century till we found out the USS Maine was destroyed by an internal coal dust explosion, not a Spanish mine. Did we say excuse me and give back Puerto Rico, Cuba, etc.?
Then there is the Kennedy Assassination spun to be the product of the Mafia or with Oswald’s Russian connection.
Speaking of Oswald... Just "setting the record straight"!
Guess he didn't need to die from the end of Jack Ruby's gun after all?!!!
When you are already in the shitter thanks in large part to this Agency what a difference fifty years will make!
"Sorry, there was an attack"
Sorry, Al-qaeda doesn't exist. It's the arabic (but shortened) name for database. It was a database of gun runners, smugglers, finianciers etc... that supported the mujahadeen.
Your research ability is lacking.
If there is one lie in the official story, then the whole story is a lie.
Planes don't fly into steel girded buildings whole, w/o scattering plane parts below. Cell phone calls can't be made above 10K ft. in a moving jet airplane.
The Tsaranov brothers were known to the FBI (the FBI had to admit it after their mother said so), so why did the FBI ask the public who they were?
Autistic kids do not get off over 100 rounds of semi automatic gunfire in minutes with every hit being a kill shot. The coroner said the children were killed with a "long gun", yet the "assailant" was only found supposedly w/ a handgun.
Nobody can place the flaming red haired gunman in the theater. Who sold him a ticket? who checked his ticket? who saw him in the theater?
And so on...
What is the purpose of the above article on ZH? I assume ZH patrons are probably a million times more verse in the above than what has been written in this article!
With regards to 9/11, you want hard facts just go to AE1000, fark the conspiracy label BS! For Kennedy, the biggest $$$ threat was to the Fed, not the military. Sukarno and him were planning to evict the Fed and intorduce sound money and issue notes via the treasury. If following the money is your view then the Fed with the printing press far out guns the military!
did anyone see that bit on George Will outing Nixon for treason concerning his dealings with the SoVietnam government in 1968 before the election? Reagan did it as well with the arm for hostages deal with Iran. just like i am sure that the same people who have Obamas real birth certificate are pulling his strings. some think LBJ offed JFK, and that he wanted to escalate the war. he went to half a million troops in short order, so i have a difficult time believing that LBJ wanted to make peace in Vietnam. then why did Nixon (the first Manchurian president) want to scuttle the peace talks? was his aim to further China's interests in the region? (China later fought a war with Vietnam and lost) the second Manchurian president then handed WTO to China, made them the worlds largest economy. Nixon was a rabid anti-communist, he sat on the HOUAC, but on all things China he was a pussy cat. and Bush continued the pro-China policies, (including their symbolic dismantling of his spy plane, he still signed WTO two weeks after 9/11) eventually handing over control of the US economy to Bejing. the tech giants (MS, Google) went in to clean up their political dissenters, and with what they learned headed back to the US to help build the NSA. is it making sense Ducklings?? two weeks after 9/11, does everyone here know that China shares a border with Afghanistan? where was Bin Laden all that time that we were looking for him? has anyone other than this writer even mentioned the possibility? NO......
and the deafening silence should give you a clue
Don't forget that the Chinesse made millions of illegal contributions to the Clintons and Ron Brown told Clinton he was subpoened to testify before a federal Grand Jury and his aiprlpne crashed into the side of a mountain just days before and a subsequent autopsy found a bullet in his skull.
The word, conspiracy, is actually a legal term.
Cornell University Law School defines it in the following way:
"An agreement between two or more people to commit an illegal act, along with an intent to achieve the agreement's goal.... Conspiracy applies to both civil and criminal offenses. For example, you may conspire to commit murder, or conspire to commit fraud."
http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/conspiracy
So, Mr. Armstrong, let's dispense with the bullshit disinformation.
Amazing how they knew that WTC7 would collapse at free fall speed without being hit by a plane and destroy all the SEC files -and let it happen.
The suggestion by Armstrong is BS- Yes "we" knew it would happen -but we also knew that the perpetrators were the Mossad/Saudis/CIA and Neocon dualies acting in their capacity as Israeli nationals.
Of course. But were Martin to say that his career in finance would end in the same way as that of Helen Thomas' in media.
There might be some inaccuracies in that report. I'm not referring to the spelling.
"$20 Billion Later Halliburton Moves Headquarters to Dubai1969?
Posted: 12/31/1969"
Incompetence + Secrecy + Politics = Conspiracy Theory
What's the purpose of the pointy spike on those tin foil hats? My tin foil hat doesn't have one.
There's a Pickelhaub under the tinfoil.
Martin, your early work will live on and glad you made it out alive. Also love the shift to comedy, keep 'em coming...