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New York, New Jersey Begin Mandatory Quarantines In Ebola Response
Despite the constant confirmation that New York "is prepared, and has been prepared for months" for an Ebola outbreak (that is extremely difficult to catch apparently), it appears Governor Cuomo and NJ's Christie are more concerned than they are letting on. Having earlier admitted that the CDC's screening guidelines are "insufficient" for New York regions' population density, Reuters reports that Cuomo and Christie are considering "enhanced screening" where "all healthcare workers will be mandatorily quarantined." Cue "state of emergency" proclamation and civil liberties 'interrupted'...
- *EBOLA SCREENING WILL BE STRENGTHENED AT NY AIRPORTS, SAYS CNBC
- *NY AIRPORT SCREENING WILL GO BEYOND CDC REQUIREMENTS: CNBC
- *NY AIRPORTS TO QUARANTINE ALL HC WORKERS FROM HI RISK NATIONS
- *JFK, NEWARK TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SCREENING FOR EBOLA: CHRISTIE
- *STEPS INCLUDE MANDATORY QUARANTINE FOR MED. SERVICE PROVIDERS
- *MEDICS BACK FROM EBOLA COUNTRIES TO BE QUARANTINED: CHRISTIE
- *NEWARK, JFK HEALTH DEPTS.TO DETERMINE QUARANTINE NEEDS:CHRISTIE
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Governors Cuomo & Christie explain how its for your own good... but it's not very congaious and really hard to catch... etc.
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New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced Friday that he and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie are planning to increase current screening procedures for people travelling from Ebola-affected regions.
Depending on an individual's risk level—exposure to infected individuals and countries visited—a mandatory 21-day quarantine could be instituted, Cuomo said.
All medical workers from Ebola-affected countries will be subject to a quarantine, said Dr. Howard Zucker, acting commissioner of health for New York State. Cuomo said voluntary quarantine is not sufficient, and that it is "almost an oxymoron."
"In an region like this, you go out one, two, or three times—you ride the subway, you ride a bus—you could affect hundreds and hundreds of people," Cuomo added.
"There is no reason for undue concern or undo anxiety under this situation," the New York governor said. "I believe this adjustment and increasing the screening procedures is necessary. I think it reduces the risk to New Yorkers and the residents of New Jersey."
Christie indicated that authorities have already stopped one traveler in Newark.
Cuomo said that he and Christie believe it is a state's right to protect their borders, and he indicated that the governors have been in touch with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. He added he believed the CDC's procedures are "not rigorous enough."
Christie said the measures are "necessary to protect public health."
"CDC's guidance is continually changing, and we need to set a standard for our two states," Christie said. These new procedures have already been put in place at the Port Authority airports, Cuomo said.
And so it begins...
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Additionally, Congressman Hakeem Jeffries (NY-8) released the following statement in the aftermath of the first confirmed case of Ebola in New York:
“In the wake of the first confirmed case of Ebola in New York City, the Obama administration must reassess the strength of the measures put into place to protect the health and safety of our residents. All options should be on the table in the fight against Ebola, including a possible ban on nonessential travel originating in the source West African nations.”
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Of course, we warned this might happen -
If there is a major Ebola pandemic in America, all of the liberties and the freedoms that you currently enjoy would be gone. If government officials believe that you have the virus, federal law allows them to round you up and detain you "for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary." In addition, the CDC already has the authority to quarantine healthy Americans if they reasonably believe that they may become sick. During an outbreak, the government can force you to remain isolated in your own home, or the government may forcibly take you to a treatment facility, a tent city, a sports stadium, an old military base or a camp. You would not have any choice in the matter. And you would be forced to endure any medical procedure mandated by the government. That includes shots, vaccines and the drawing of blood. During such a scenario, you can scream about your "rights" all that you want, but it won't do any good.
In case you are tempted to think that I am making this up, I want you to read what federal law actually says. The following is 42 U.S.C. 264(d). I have added bold for emphasis...
(1) Regulations prescribed under this section may provide for the apprehension and examination of any individual reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease in a qualifying stage and (A) to be moving or about to move from a State to another State; or (B) to be a probable source of infection to individuals who, while infected with such disease in a qualifying stage, will be moving from a State to another State. Such regulations may provide that if upon examination any such individual is found to be infected, he may be detained for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary. For purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes, in addition to the several States, only the District of Columbia.
(2) For purposes of this subsection, the term “qualifying stage”, with respect to a communicable disease, means that such disease—
(A) is in a communicable stage; or
(B) is in a precommunicable stage, if the disease would be likely to cause a public health emergency if transmitted to other individuals.
In addition, as I discussed above, the CDC already has the authority to isolate people that are not sick to see if they do become sick. The following is what the CDC website says about this...
Quarantine is used to separate and restrict the movement of well persons who may have been exposed to a communicable disease to see if they become ill. These people may have been exposed to a disease and do not know it, or they may have the disease but do not show symptoms. Quarantine can also help limit the spread of communicable disease.
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Welcome to the new normal American police state.
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Don't worry though - as this TV anchor says - just don't eat Ebola-infected shit!!!
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ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK..
What if ebola is the start of a bio-warfare engagement? Are you ready for an extended quarantine?
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-19-10/fear-we-are-returning-ti...
Item 6
Purchase the items on the following shopping list to outfit your home.
· 5,000 rounds ammo for training; $2,500.
· Purchase and install Door Jamb Armor and dead bolts on all your exterior doors; $1,000 for 4 doors.
· A bullet proof vest; $500.
· Install a professional alarm system, or better if you live in the country get a big dog and have you both protection trained; $50/month.
· 12 months of food storage (2,400 cal/day) with > 20 year shelf life ;$4,500.
· If you have well water get a SimplePump. If you rely on city/municipal water, and there is not a swimming pool in your backyard, then get at least one waterbed; $1,000.
· A hand-crank emergency radio and a couple of hand-crank flashlights; $50.
· Purchase and store several cases of liquor; $500.
· If it gets cold where you live, then purchase
o A mummy style sleeping bag like a Wiggies; $250.
o At least one set of heavy wool pants and wool parka, such as Columbia's Gallatin Range ; $350.
o A pair of warm boots, wool socks, warm gloves, and a wool hat; $350.
o Two sets of Patagonia long underwear; $120.
Civil liberties are so annoying. Just get rid of them already.
Prepared? When Ebola hits your town you will want to be antifragile.
<=taking your chances with EBOLA...
<=being locked up in quarantene with SNOOKIE from jersey shores...
So the mandatory quarantine for all non-democrats begins November 4th right?
Nov. 3
Well, at least New Dork Citiers and New Jerkians won't have to worry about their 2nd Amendment rights being taken away.
They gave those up without a wimper decades ago.
I love how almost everyone on here is taking both sides of this issue.
What used to be a libertarian leaning site has now turned into armchair quarterbacks whining that the government isn't doing enough, and they are not following proper protocols.
Then when a quarantine is issued because ONE doctor gets sick, OMG my civil liberties.
You guys crack me up bigtime.
I miss the good old chart porn and banker scam exposes before this site became total tabloid click bait with a neocon-leaning audience.
I can't believe how old school "Fuck You Bernanke" has gotten already. Man, time flies fast, bitchez!
"What used to be a libertarian leaning site has now turned into armchair quarterbacks whining that the government isn't doing enough, and they are not following proper protocols."
In case you hadn't noticed, we are laughing AT the federal government for the inept fools they are and that they do in fact have ineffective protocols, for somethiing THEY brought to our shores to begin with and are lying sacks of shit.
Immigration and visa's are a federal resposibility, the Feds fought and won that case not to long ago if you will remember, something to do with Arizona trying to stop illegal immigration when the Feds refused to do so.
Glad to clear it up for you ;-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_S._Patton,_Sr.
No one is nmwewn to a badass.
A lot of people don't know about Patton's roots. They also probably don't know Arlington Cemetery came about as an act of US vindictiveness toward a good man.
And so it goes ;-)
HH, can you address water filters? For example, water from a dehumidifier or rain water. Is filtering enough and then add the bleach as directed?
On the other thread some kind souls shared their thoughts and suggested Katadyn and Berkey [sp?].
Any other ZH'ers are free to share their thoughts here.
BTW, I read that thread on the shotguns and I did buy a Benelli semi auto 12g [M2] and absolutely love the heck out of it!
Benelli's are nice. Well balanced, light, true.
Easy to get carried away with Outbreak Disease...if clowny wasn't in charge Americans would literally breathe easier. Bleach does kill this thing...cotton had a good day today...for a reason in my view.
Wouldn't want to be in the northeast this winter. A flu pandemic is a vector for Ebola...got my flu shot two weeks ago.
Just changed the water filter too. Our water up here is about as good as it gets in the public sense...regulations in the 90's forced construction of huge containment facilities which in theory acts as a filtration system. We'll know if we have an actual outbreak only until after the election at the earliest.
Gunz Gunz Gunz....they WILL be the death of you my friends.... a weapon always turns on it's holder in the end...
Live by the sword, die by the sword....and a higher purpose, of which we are all capable, left un-fullfilled...
But who am I to say so, Let's hear it from Lao Tzu...
Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 31
Good weapons are instruments of fear; all creatures hate them.
Therefore followers of the Tao never used them.
The wise man prefers the left.
The man of war prefers the right.
Weapons are instruments of fear; they are not a wise man's tools.
He uses them only when he has no choice.
Peace and quiet are dear to his heart.
And victory no cause for rejoicing.
If you rejoice in victory, then you delight in killing;
If you delight in killing, you cannot fulfill yourself.
On happy occasions precedence is given to the left,
On sad occasions to the right.
In the army the general stands on the left,
The commander-in-chief on the right.
This means that war is conducted like a funeral.
When many people are being killed,
They should be mourned in heartfelt sorrow.
That is why a victory must be observed like a funeral.
"He uses them only when he has no choice."
I think this easily describes 99% of defensive firearm use in the US.
Let us hope it remains that way in times of pure panic...
Dazed and confused with a firearm is not a good thing.....
Nobody around here is dazed and confused ORI and only the dazed and confused would panic & try to shoot at an ebola virus...lol.
Are you serious nm? Are you saying no one with a licensed firearm in the US is dazed and confused?
Haaaahaaaahhhhhaaaa....
I've seen enough invective and xenophobia right here on good ole ZH to imagine that a KKK wannabe would be a happy trigger puller if he did not have to suffer consequences.
What to speak of those rednecks and their "range practise"....
Either you are joe king or on something that induces extreme states of myopia...
You were all brought up on six shot packing, fastesttttt drawing white man wild west heroes for a reason....it's called programming...
Anyways, my point was that peashooter, going out peashooter blazing is just not wise...
Words to the wise here, go vegetarian and watch your life change ;-)
C'mon Vivek. I read your blog and I know that you are smarter than that.
Because lances, bows & arrows, nunchaku's, maces, poison or a bomb strapped to the chest are much more efficient...lol. You know better than that ORI, its not the implement that commits the act, its the individual.
Somebody musta slipped a little beef into your dosa ;-)
Efficiency?
Thermonuclear Warheads are the most efficient.
I do not support this end but the time is growing short...very short.
But as the Good Book says there will be an intervention because all will perish if there is not.
To those whom will disagree ther is the principle of the self fulfilling prophecy. Because people believe in the prophecy they will do their best to bring it into fruition.
So God, or as the atheists proclaim, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, does not have to do anything as we will do it to ourselves.
And the prophecy, as a result, will be fulfilled.
The Drake Equation is right. There is little liklihood of any other intelligent life out there as they will have most likely have followed our path into destruction.
Pretty much.
Guns are used far more for defense than offense.
It's racist when the populous of flyover country calls for a ban on flights from West Africa.
It's a sensible precaution when the Tri-State area calls for a ban on flights from West Africa.
Watch.
You got it, like he said; the state of NJ can say who can enter NJ and the state of NY can say who can enter NY.
However other states, especially TX AZ and CA shall let in anyone that feels like coming in and also provide for them food, water, shelter, and education free of cost because not to do so would be racist.
Within hours of when the jews felt threatened, there was a fix. Not a good one, but a fix. Those who have eyes, let them see.
Indeed, a very astute observation. I wonder how many phone calls it took from Long Island to get Coumo's attention. The immediate response is very telling and reveals the nature of the system. As a result, the hypothesis has now become more than that, and like an actual scientific theory. Since real theories are notoriously neutral, the question becomes how this model can be used to our advantage and therefore oppose theirs. So, for example, when the existence of influence (i.e, "population density") is threatened, lo and behold, the .guv machinery lumbers into motion to protect the border. Perhaps the same operating principle can be used to restore constitutional government. Who knew, that ebola would show the way to eliminating other forms of pestilence.
"a weapon always turns on it's (sic) holder in the end"
Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.
We have owned and used Katadyn Pocket filters for many years and on many trips, and have never had any trouble. They are portable, easy to service, and incredibly durable. It is the Benelli M2 of water filters; I would bet my life on it.
Consider the GG&G charging handle and bolt release pad,and make certain you install tritium sights, if you have the ghost rings.
Peace.
May I suggest the following M2 accessories for your consideration:
SURESHELL CARRIER AND RAIL FOR BEN M2 TACTICAL
http://mesatactical.com/products/sureshell-carrier-and-rail-for-ben-m2-t...
Limbsaver Precision Fit Recoil Pad - Benelli M2
http://www.nokick.com/Precision_Fit_Pad_Benelli_M2_Tactical_p/ls-10404.htm
Katadyn is good, though you probably still want to use bleach if there are any viral threats. Also be aware that the Katadyn element is ceramic, so check it for cracks if you drop it, and so not let it freeze when wet.
You might also want to check out the sawyer minifilters.
Thanks for the reminder, I have a Katadyn and forgot about the ceramics. Great filter for backpacking. I have a Berkey at home, among the best there is. Highly recommended...though only one model is legal for sale in California. Conspiracy? I think so...
Berkey is now shipping all their outdoor systems to CA, it's just the indoor systems they won't.
It's very interesting how CA's anti-lead law pretty much shut down a whole host of prepardness items, though. Every time I turn around I hear about something else that can't go into the state. Thank god I live in AZ.
OK, so top of the line water filtration; a Berkey http://www.getberkey.com/ . you can capture and filter any water ( short of black water, although you could run it thru a berkey, I wouldnt want to clean the filter afterwards) for drinking.
On the other side of the equation, water conservation. Consider this as a black water solution ; http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=5+Gallon+Bucket+Portable+Camping+Toilet+Seat+Lid
I used it in the farm for 6 months before I saved enough for the composter. Line the bucket with a kitchen bag and fill it with a couple of cups of kitty litter or saw dust. Dispose of like regular garbage after pooping.
Our Grandfather was Patton's favorite cook. Many stories. God bless you Willie!
Listen Rabbi.
Please, please protect the "FOLKS" from Israel in the tri-state area. Call on Bloomberg if you have to but make sure no chosen one gets the "BLOOD WORM".
lol...what a fuckin tard.
Listen, listen Rabbi.
Tony Wilson asked me to tell you not to stay up too late on The Hedge. "YOU" have to be at "Kesher Israel" at 8am for your first Bris tomorrow.
Tony Wilson, Tony Wilson? Oh, you mean the paid AAPAC shill who's every other word is something about Jews. Yeah well, lean over your screen and tell him I'm Christian but you guys know more about them than I do.
Now, why would that be Banga Din or is your real name Achmed?
Listen Rabbi.
Remember. Bris is most enjoyed after a coupla glasses of Manischewitz! No matter what time of day.
I'll have to take your word for it, troll.
LISTEN!
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robotroll! you quoting TONY WILSON....QUOTING TONY WILSON!!???
BOY, PLEASE!!! tony wont be happy to hear that!!!
YOU ARE ONE SORRY WANNA BE TROLL...
be careful, or UNICEF's going to take back that used computer your'e trying to get attention with..probably donated to you by an american you love to talk trash about...poorly i dare add...
have a nice day..
:)
p.s. is that a bone in your nose...?
listen you fucking pair of citi slick faggots.
you kosher cunts leave tony outta dis.
nmewn what the fuck have i told you about your talmudick avatar.
you child killers will not listen.
Your "Hindu" sycophant troll brought you into this Tony Boi and you've never said anything about my avatar to my face that I recall.
Just what is "talmudick" about V?
You have my undivided attention now Tony, so speak your mind, whats left of it ;-)
C'mon, nmewn!
You have to admit - if you never saw or heard of V and ignored the Guy Fawkes mask and long, straight black hair of V on your avatar, then it looks exactly like a Hasidic Jew. Well, except the hat is wrong, too. And no sidelocks. But let's not nitpick about the details.
And a Hasidic avatar with a Guy Fawkes mask would make perfect sense anyways because... well... I guess it doesn't. But never mind that.
lol...they've developed it into some weird pseudo-intellectual art form. There is no geographic place on earth or space or time, no inanimate object or animal or human, that doesn't contain the presence of a Jew somewhere in it. That or they're paranoid schizophrenics.
Which I'm not ruling out ;-)
Guy Fawkes was fighting on the side of the Roman Catholics in Spain and (not too successfully) back in England. Roman Catholicism is a Christian religion founded by Jesus - a JEW. Therefore, Guy Fawkes was fighting for the Jews. See? Hell, even Anonymous is connected. Probably Mossad.
I respect Hasidic Jews a great deal. They're some of the most vocal opponents of Rothschild Zionism. I'm still kind of curious what Tony's beef with your presumed Hasidic Guy Fawkes avatar could be.
[Sorry for interrupting, Tony - DO tell]
Jews ARE everywhere. They do it with tunnels - miles of them. Just like the Chinese.
In NYC it's legal for a Rabbi to felate a baby when he performs bris.
Nothing in NYC or San Fran would surprise me...but perhaps you could source the law in question?
TIA ;-)
^ 9th DR has EBOLA. Get him!
At least the States can do something the Federal Government can't.
Both would be better off not letting people come into the U.S. unfettered.
Right - this is what happens when Obola refuses to limit the flights from the affected countries. On schedule for ramping up a massive crisis to forever 'change' Murika. This must have been what he meant originally by 'change' - who knew? I know the establishment pubbies are not qualitatively different, but the 'rats must be hating the thought of this election right now. Crazy!
I'd go down on Nina Pham just to get my immunity up.
Call it "community service".
Isn't it amazing how she walked out of the hospital without a trace of the virus in her system.
Lordy, Lordy!
http://news.yahoo.com/texas-nurse-nina-pham-cured-ebola-151931146.html;_...
I guess that means the other lady is out her retainer for hiring that lawyer lol!
Not amazing in the least ...
Injected serum antibodies activate immune response in patient's white blood cells - which proceed to recognize and consume all the virus before it has time to reproduce in an explosive manner. That's what WBC's do. Complete cure, just like you recovering completely from a seasonal flu.
Of course some people have a difficult time with natural biological processes involving medicine and higher thinking skills. You be one of them, perhaps.
Listen.
You're disgusting! Go type your garbage to Yahoo!
Read:
You know, Banger; you're a dickhead.
A real dick, the kind with no neck, whose nearest neighbors are a pair of nuts and an asshole. None of us here have ears, only eyes. So quit with the listen - cannot be done. An impossibility.
Go. Away. Far. Soon. Not only annoying, but you clutter up the page. Please, just ignite!
Not to be unfair since they are not here to defend themselves...
What happened to the old people who used to be in the comments? They up and left instead of fighting the fight. And those were the ones "who got it".
All the ones "who got it" up and skedattled when it stopped being an echo chamber instead of winning the argument. No wonder this country has devolved to such a degree.
Something, something, when good men do nothing.
The next quarantine will be on "spreading fear" through blog sites.
Hedge Accordingly...
"What used to be a libertarian leaning site has now turned into armchair quarterbacks whining that the government isn't doing enough, and they are not following proper protocols."
Squeeze please, does libertarian mean you are a liberty, or liberated?
And further squeeze, please, can'ts sees any folks round here that are armchair football players. Heck, we'za out here on the perimeter all have couches!
One last ting please squeezy, is a protocol something you put up yer arse?
"They gave those up without a wimper decades ago."
And coming soon to a state near you too.
How do you separate GOs from their guns? Simple, quarantine 'em ...for long time.
They don't have to get rid of guns, just get rid of gun owners. Rowdy ones anyway, who might actually use 'em, and that's enough.
So, when is Medecins Sans Frontiers going to be declared a terrorist (bio-weapon) organization?
I wonder when hospitals will simply not have enough staff willing to infect themselves (or loved ones)? Do we then get the "press gang" approach of 'drafting' any available medically trained personnel? All those nurses from P.I. will start saying "F*** it, it's safer to stay in Manila."
I wonder when hospitals will simply not have enough staff willing to infect themselves (or loved ones)?
I think everyone will be surprised how quickly that happens.
You mean, "Puck it?"
My "howlie" friend lived most of his life in Hawaii and taught at Community College. He tells me this story representing the temper of the Philipinos.
A howlie and a Philipino in a bar get into a verbal altercation ending in the howlie saying, "f___ you" to the Philipino. The Philipino quietly leaves, gets a gun, returns, shoots the poor howlie, then the Philipino says, "Nobody say, 'puck you' to me."
For the more budget conscious, you can get several thousand rounds of 22LR for a few hundred bucks, and you can kill with them just as nicely.
For food buy some 50lb bags of rice from costco for like 20 bucks, and some multivitamins and PandJ, that will take care of enough food to survive for a year and cost you just maybe like 300 bucks for your entire family, and you can rotate it, as you eat it add another bag
etc...
Dont have to spend a lot of money.
For defending a home during a quarantine, I would much prefer a shotgun.
Can you buy 00 chlorine rounds?
Hmm maybe want to have something with a little more range then 00 buck, don't want and ebola splatter on ya.
It wouldn't likely be the infected you would be worried about, but rather the cold and hungry, if you buy into the premises of The Jakarta Pandemic; it doesn't take very many truck drivers and utility workers to self-quarantine before the food stops arriving at the stores and the power goes out.
Again...this is not the first EPIDEMIC in New York or other East Coast places' history. Folks of the City are not STUPID like Porch Monkey Man however.
The Sanitation folks in the City ARE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.
The problem with Ebola is not dealing with the live ones BUT DEALING WITH THE DEAD ONES.
This is why the Nazi's has their "Mobil gas vans" and then incinerated everybody...diseases were out of control, they had a mass of epidemic's on their hands.
This is not to say i agree with the whole "let's use that guys skin as a lamp shade" however...
Human skin lamp shades is a myth.
True. But never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Even the Nazi's admitted to prosecuting that one. "There were excesses."
Nuremberg never said nor was it argued that they achieved power through illegal means.
next you will be saying a con man wrothe the anne frank story and 4 million jews did not die at auservitch in polands.
eye saw the spielberger movie it was real godamit
Don't be anti-ceramic Tony, I just put my little plate on top of my head while I am reading the news.
Nor would it be the first bread riots: The Great Riots of New York 1712-1873, by Joel T. Headley, $24.99
"Don't think the media is there to help you" either.
This is New York...not Hollywood.
Those institutions exist to make your worst nightmares come true...
If that happens I'll just order a 90 day supply of freeze dried food from AMZ and then the magic brown truck will show up. Whats the big deal?
<10 days later, medical martial law>
Wait - I need water to make this feeze dried thingy work? Uh oh.
Honey I have bad news. Someone lied to us.
For defending a home during a quarantine, I would much prefer a shotgun.
You ain't gonna defend anything from anyone with a shotgun, my friend. You gotta move fast, and you need help. There is no static defense.
The review of the Nuevo Laredo gunfight was a wake up call for me.
GRAPHIC: NSFW.
Cartel heat driving around with tac vests / chest pouches with 8 spare mags for their ARs. See page 14:
https://info.publicintelligence.net/NuevoLaredoGunBattle.pdf
pretty incredible....but gives one an idea of what they may be up against.
At first I thought that F150 had taken spalling damage from a nearby explosion, holy shit it was riddled with boolets. Also that old "Chest rig full o mags is gonna protect me" is kinda laughable.
Huh? I would never consider 22LR for defense. A guy with a knife can kill you before he bleeds out.
For the budget conscious, I would recomment something in 7.62x39, or much better yet, a cheap $200 Chinese shotgun in 12ga!!
A 22 will protect you against rabbits.
Too bad Jimmy Carter didn't have a 22, all he had was an oar to fend off that pesky rabbit.
Certain particularly foul rodents require the firepower of the Holy Hand Grenade.
For an extra $100 you can get a Mossburg pump. And as for 22LR, good luck finding any in bulk unless you camp out on the website or at the store lol.
A ready source for ammo (e.g. 22LR) is Gunbroker...One needs to shop for a good price, but at least an initial or mandatory requirement can be met.
Don't forget your clipboard!
This is my clipboard. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My clipboard is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My clipbard, without me, is useless. Without my clipboard, I am useless.
http://www.ballisticclipboard.com/page/page/4955221.htm
And all Ebola in a 10 foot radius.
Yup, got the Mossburg. Might not be the best thing for Ebolans though, so I also have an SKS. Gotta gets 'em as soon as you see the reds of their eyes...
Who the fuck in this country doesn't already have at least a basic shotgun?
Who? Big city liberals. Their elected officials all have tax payer funded armed body guards 24/7, and their constituents have unregistered handguns. I sure hope they televise the meeting of the two.
Those crazy flyover state folk are gonna love watching this one play out.
BTW... Duck season opens tomorrow morning in Illinois, so you know which category I fall into.
Hell, even Brits can have shotguns. Though I doubt that very many of them do.
You might be surprised just how many do, especially in rural areas. Shotguns are pretty popular - and there are plenty of cartridge suppliers - e.g. - http://www.justcartridges.com/.
I used to use Eley Amber cartridges for clay pigeon - cheap and effective. Parker-Hale 12 bore (secondhand). Simple, accurate, reliable.
I respect just about any Brit who has a firearm. I wish more of you had them. And the wherewithal to use them.
I was about to post the above statement as a standalone. Then I got to thinking about it a little while I was double checking for typos. This is the fleeting thought I just had; Here in the US, we are awash in guns. Everyone that I know has at least one. Not just ignorant rednecks such as myself, but teachers, lawyers, doctors, engineers, working schmucks, judges, fire chiefs (yeah, I actually do rub elbows with judges and fire chiefs, and even a fairly well known former rock star who shall remain unnamed), housewives, and so on. Everybody. Whether they come out and talk about it specifically or not, every single person who I'm even somewhat aquainted with (except the commie from California who just moved in up the road), at the very least has a .22 or small handgun or old military bolt action rifle or something. In fact, if the anti-gun assertion that guns cause violence were true, we should all be dead by now. There are that many guns around us, or at least around the place where I live. It almost boggles the mind at how many guns are available within a one mile radius of my home. I would bet the number is in the thousands. Think about that. Thousands of loaded guns with all of the untraceable, unregistered, unacounted for ammo a person could ever afford, practically just laying around. Waiting. And yet there hasn't been a shooting in this county in a couple of years. All of the one or two murders per year (average) that have occured in this county in the last 10 years or so have all been stabbings or stranglings.
But I digress.
The real point I'm trying to make here is that so far, none of us has had the wherewithal to take up our weapons in defense of our liberty. We pay our onerous property taxes. Through the nose. We stop at the checkpoints and grovel. Just so we won't be delayed. Evidently we're in much too much of a hurry to be free. We look the other way when someone gets busted for a victimless crime. He shoulda known better. We watch the cops kick the shit out of some guy just for not grovelling quickly enough. He'll have his day in court. If he wins a settlement, it will be at out expense. And there will be new procedures to better cover the asses of the enforcers. The "right" to own weapons means zilch if we are afraid to pull the trigger. Will we ever take up our arms to protect our liberty? Will any of us ever agree upon what exactly the definition is of freedom? And then decide to defend it? If so, when?
Someone somewhere once said that America is at an awkward place. It's too late to fix things by voting, and too early to start shooting. What the fuck do we do now?
Sorry for the ramble.
.22 kills more people than any other round....
Sort of good advice on the food but I would add learn to forage and farm. You don't have to eat out of the backyard/woods/park but knowing you can is very reassuring.
Same on ammo. 22LR is great and would likely become an extremely valuable and tradeable commodity during such a scenario but 22LR is not a sufficient round to replace centerfire pistol or rifle. As affordable you should own 22LR, an intermediate and large. Think 22LR, .223/.545x39, and something in .30 cal. That's just rifles. Pistols 22LR, 9MM, .40/45/57. Also home defense becomes a bull when you add a 12 GA. Said 12 GA is probably THE single most valuable firearm for the average Joe who doesn't really shoot. If you have to go into the woods and get dinner and you've hardly ever fired in practice then you probably need the shotshell capabilites of a bird gun over any tool that requires a fair amount of precision and self control (breathing, heart rate, muscle...)
It looks like at this point(assuming we are getting all the info and patients are not disappearing) that this strain of ebola is most dangerous when the infected are in the terminal phase. That is why the docs and nurses are getting it. If this holds true my bug out point is when the local healthcare system is fubar and can't take anymore patients and the infected have to be treated at home as is happening in Liberia. That is when I figure it is not going to be stopped and it is time to self quarantine. If you work in a hospital the bug out time could be measured in weeks or days.
Logical to a point, but when not if, this thing goes air born, you don't want to be caught in a city.
Based on Reston 2, I think that's more likely to happen here than in Africa.
Very true kaiser, that's why I qualified with "this strain" if it looks like it is truly airborne at early stages or very transmittable when non-symptomatic then bug out time is yesterday.
So about 10% of the population of the US has boarded the plane and is stilling on the end of the runway awaiting takeoff to the land of martial law and you are going to wait until your local healthcare is overwhelmed by Ebola?
Really? Is that your takeaway on this?
Yes Hedgeless, especially if your spouse works in a hospital. Pulling them out and losing a job is serious, and pulling a kid out of a good school is not an easy decision. Fortunately, my wife entrusted me with these decisions before we were engaged. If you're making these decisions, it's time to start setting limits for numbers of cases:
-in your state
-in your city
-at your hospital
....at which point it is time to STAY HOME.
My pregnant wife is an ER doctor at the only level 1 trauma center within 200 miles. Mortality for pregnant women is 96%, and 100% for the fetus. I've never seen her more concerned about anything than this.
The hospital administration unveiled their containment response plans this week, and offered suit training for any ER staff willing to sign up. Since it was voluntary, she declined, saying that with the first confirmed case, she's bugging out.
With the declaration that Health Care employees are now subject to mandatory quarantine I would suggest they they all quit their jobs at once.
That is just too much. Why subject yourself to that? No amount of money is worth that.
They are not the state's indentured servants. The state cannot legally force them to work.
What does this suggest about the magnitude of this Ebola problem? Are they preparing for an onslaught of cases?
If you, or a loved one, works in the health care field, now is the time to quit and move out to greener pastures.
Thank you for your services (I do appreciate the competent ones) but I do not expect that you need sacrifice your lives for mine.
Been on staycation for months now. It's rather nice. Nutin new.
Stranger no go there.
Have you seen the bear?
Civil liberties are so annoying. Just get rid of them already.
They already did that illegally without a Constitutional Convention 13 years, 1 month, 1 week and 6 days ago!
Constitutions are so annoying. Just get rid of it already.
Was true a hundred years ago. Not true of Nuremberg however.
quote:
The principle that the majority have a right to rule the minority, practically resolves all government into a mere contest between two bodies of men, as to which of them shall be masters, and which of them slaves; a contest, that --- however bloody --- can, in the nature of things, never be finally closed, so long as man refuses to be a slave.
Lysander Spooner
http://lysanderspooner.org/node/44
Why don't we get one of these new Ebola paitents on a heavy dose of a fibre laden diet [think wood chips], then get them to take an angry eboladump on Obola, then sit back and wait till the "shit" really starts flyin'
Mainly because that is retarded.
If you wanna hold down an Ebola patient and feed them a heavy dose of anything go ahead. This one is all you.
I would add Amerex A400 fire extinguishers, and lots of them.
Don't be caught off gaurd, and remember PASS (pull, aim, squeeze, sweep).
An added benefit is that they are superb less-than-lethal weapons, (still) legal in 50 states.
Great, except I can't even get ONE case of decent scotch for $500.
On a long enough timeline...it is all good.
WHERE DA WHITE WOMEN AT!!!
DEY BE IN GATED AND GUARDED COMMUNITIES.
When the shit goes down, any goddman swill in a convenient plastic bottle will do.
Excellent reccomendation on the Wiggies... one of the best pieces of kit out there.
Hedgeless that is a fantastic list to help anyone if they want to be prepared for any disaster.
For the ones who may not be able to afford everything, use that brain.
Ammo - you can look for deals. They are out there just have to not be lazy and can likely shave a few hundred off that list for ammo or can start reloading your own ammo for half that price. Saves money and when SHTF can use used casings.
Food storage - Gardening and canning - just takes a little sweat and will save you a ton of money.
Water pumps - you can get a basic hand pump for a fraction of the price. Just takes a little work moving water around.Again, just takes a little sweat but you will not dehydrate.
Liquor- Just have to give up the fiat and not be cheap. Crown Royal always has some good deals for Christmas hehe
Warm Clothes - Take a trip and hit the thrift stores. Best time is in March/April for cold weather clothes.
Guns - Build the AR. You can find great deals on uppers and lowers. You may not have the prettiest ar-15 but you can build one for $415 or less. Also look for folks selling lowers as paper weights. Comes with instructions how to finish milling the lower with basic workshop tools. Benefit of this is no serial number.
The benefit of saving money and being cheap is you will learn valuable skills needed to survive. Sometimes having money to prepare for disasters does not teach you a damn thing because you are use to someone doing it for you or buying products because you got cash/convenient.
Solo Stove
Big Berkey (Mike Adams just certified as best)
Tub bladder
Rice/beans
Lemon juice
Lots of coffee
Remington 887 tactical with Lightfield 3 1/2" magnum slugs for stopping vehicles and body armor up to 200 yds.
any 3" 00buck when your shoulder gets sore
Kit Carson, could crawl inch by inch through any ones lines.
And save the day.
Patton said' fixed fortifications were the "something...dumbest"? thing you could do.
Keep sum'a both.
I have never shot Lightfield in my mossberg. May try a box see how she handles it. Also heard lightfield is one bad ass mother fucker with a kick lol.
Too true. My limit with out a vest is 7. Thankfully ATI just released an adjustable stock with pistol grip. Darn near broke my middle finger twice thru poor positioning.
The list ain't bad, but a waterbed is pretty expensive piss poor water storage unless you are in a tiny apartment and have no room.
Potable water barrels can be purchased for around 40$ for a 55 gallon barrel. put a couple of those on the porch or outside the backdoor, or in the garage and fill em up while the waters still running.
you can hook em up to your downspouts and collect rainwater, buy some iodine and bleach for disenfection of the water, but don't use both at the same time.
figure at a least a gallon of water per day per person, more is better, if your fond of hygiene.
waterbed mattress consumes a lot of area but doesn't yield much water storage per sq ft.
Actually if you run a faucet at real low flow, your meter will not turn and you can fill a large tank overnight and it doesn't cost you a dime.
Used-once plastic transportation tanks in an aluminum frame - 325 liters.
Hold rainwater for garden, emergency storage. Secure screw top and good valve at the base. $75 on C'lists most places; need a pickup truck.
Don't forget a way to sanitize your water if it doesn't come from the tap or well. Either the tablets, which are expensive, or get several gallons of concentrated bleach. 8 drops bleach per gallon of water minimum.
Pool shock (algaecide free kind). It keeps better/longer than bleach and is far more concentrated. You'll be able to treat a year or more worth of water with just a pound of it.
Imagine the dislocation from an extended power/ water outage. people out on the road looking for warmer climate others running around panicing get your self a hundred Lb propane tank and heater close off parts of the housethat can be and insulate well with the sheet insulation you can heat along time in a small area that way and keep waterfrom freezing. a propane camp stove might work as heat also and cooking. woool baselayer will not retain odors!!! polyester will and it is not very warmwhen wet. wool is best. also adown comforter/sleeping bag will be the lighest most easily compacted rather than synthetic fill but must be kept dry to be effective. get water proof bag for them. get a solar shower you can hangit indoors and fillit with heated water for a shower once in awhile if you have fuel
energy bars are fullof fiber and useless filler nuts and crackers will last and have energy beef jerky has protien but no energy get slim jims they will be better .cold will drain energy fast you will need calories powdered energy drink mix like 4c has vitamins and electrolytes and willimprove water treated with clorine. finally converted rice is best it won't go rancid like brown rice and has the nutrients.
My neighbor has been splitting logs all summer. He never ran out of wood before and always had left over. This year he's got supply to last him 10 years! I can see his digs from my porch and we're friendly. If the gas gets shut off, I would need to bum him for wood. Good thing he likes silver coins.
As posted by Kirk on 10/14/2014 - 14:56 | 5329821 and as recently as earlier today 10/24/2014 - 13:01 | 5372853, it's only a matter of time before we se SUICIDE PUKERS, and TPTB may be front-running it.
Regular "Prepping" won't do. You need to AVOID getting anywhere near a "Suspect" carier. I'd AVOID ALL CROWDED PLACES, especially indoors and in the Sun Belt. For a change, living in the Snow Belt actually helps.
So, you're saying hang out at JC Penney?
It can get scary cold where I live, and I can vouch for the Wiggies bags. I own two. Really exceptional performance. Critical insurance against power workers not showing up in February.
Nightvision Scope;priceless
and a great paper weight without batteries.
Easily solved problem with AA eneloops and a $50 solar charger.
+1 on the Wiggys bags. Those bags will save your life. You can climb into one soaking wet and wake up nearly dry the next morning - and sleep warm the whole night. Heavy and bulky and the owner is a megalomaniac - bust his bags are the best. I also have his jackets. Save your life jackets.
Don't forget to Learn To Trap
Then watch as someone who recently lifted a M-1 from a drug dealer go after your stash that you so kindly put together for them. That, or some ebola infected fool tries to go onto your property, you shoot them, splattering blood everywhere - and die in your prepared bunker while fapping on top of your gold pile.
Love how everyone is ready for the world to burn. Wouldn't it be funny if just like the 2000's scare, not a single fucking thing happened? But then you'd have to justify all the bullshit you just bought.
WHERE IS THE MOTHERFUCKING EBOLA CZAR????????????????????????????
Like any other AIPAC White House jobs program candidate, new hire, spinning the DREIDEL and hiding out from the dreaded Ebola lol.
"WHERE IS THE MOTHERFUCKING EBOLA CZAR????????????????????????????"
Off in the weeds counting chads.
just finishing at the 18th
currently holding obama's balls for him.
Dunno, but you won't see him tomorrow. It's the Sabbath.
Drawing his salary.
Does the mandatory quarantine include trash cans?
To really protect New Yorkers, quarantine Governors Cuomo and Christie, terminally infected with political corruption.
http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/18714-statism-like-ebola-is-a-thre...