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Are We Ready For The Fall Of Baghdad?
Submitted by Ron Holland via The Daily Bell,
I recently was in Vietnam and spent some time in prosperous, capitalist Saigon, now called Ho Chi Minh City, and toured the American War Museum. I believe there are a number of parallels between the Vietnam and Iraq War and that history could repeat itself now in Baghdad. Who can forget the former Vietnamese supporters of America being left behind as the last helicopter left the roof of the US embassy?
Today, America still has the strongest military in the world but our manufacturing capacity and financial situation shows the US is on a downhill slide like earlier over-extended and bankrupt empires throughout world history.
We've already watched the frightening incompetence of the Obama Administration and the CDC in dealing with the Ebola virus. One would have to be blind not to see the petrodollar deathwatch as Russia, China and the BRIC countries build new trading alternatives to avoid using the dollar world reserve currency when trading energy and other financial dealings.
This is simple payback for Washington's threats, banking fines and penalties against institutions and nations de jure that fail to march to the US tune of dictating trade and financial arrangements. The world is now ganging up on the United States because Washington has terrorized smaller nations around the world for decades as the big bully on the block.
We've had the misfortune of watching ISIS – originally funded and equipped by the US, Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf allies, as was Bin Laden – turn on their benefactors out to destroy Assad in Syria because of a pipeline deal and take over much of Iraq. My point is just as the pro-US South Vietnamese government could not survive without major US forces, neither will the present government in Baghdad. So what could happen to the massive, fortified Baghdad US Embassy in the Green Zone that rivals the Vatican in size? What are the possible military objectives of the Islamic State fighters (ISIS) in regard to the Iraqi capitol?
While the US media elites and the Air Force concentrates on a meaningless ISIS backwater diversionary attack on Kobane on the northern Syrian border with Turkey, their real target is Baghdad and this will likely become very apparent between now and the end of the year. Our military experts confidently state that ISIS does not have enough troops to take and hold Baghdad, a city of 7 to 9 million people. They are correct unless ISIS wants to destroy its forces like the German Wehrmacht squandered its strength fighting in Leningrad or Stalingrad.
But they can win major PR victories without getting bogged down in street-to-street fighting in the Shiite areas in the north and east. Baghdad has been a city in transition since the Bush invasion created a power vacuum and endless violence in the capitol. Historically full of neighborhoods with a mix of Sunni and Shia, the population division is now almost complete with most Shia concentrated in the north and east of the river and most Sunni in the area stretching from the airport to the American Green Zone. Here lies the problem: The western Sunni neighborhoods are perfect cover for the Islamic fighters to slowly infiltrate the area around the Green Zone and embassy compound and mix in with the population. After all, this is a Sunni insurrection against the majority Shia government.
Hence the ISIS advance in Anbar province to just outside the airport is a direct threat to the Green Zone because their forces will be moving through predominantly Sunni neighborhoods all the way east to the American embassy. They could but surprisingly have not attempted to shut down the airport and here is where the situation gets interesting. Late this week, the Iraq army leadership basically said that unless US forces arrive to help them defend the western approaches to the city, they will throw down their weapons and go home – and I believe they will.
The scenario I see is the first attack will likely be against the most heavily defended target, the US embassy and the Green Zone. The ISIS fighters are not strong enough to take the heavily fortified green zone by direct assault and so it will probably fail.
The US will then attempt to fly in reinforcements to the airport and this will be when ISIS will start mortar fire and attempt to close the Baghdad airport as well as attack any convoys through the Sunni neighborhoods heading to the Green Zone. They will likely be able to shut down the airport, thus forcing reinforcements and embassy staff leaving to use helicopters for transportation to airfields further south in Iraq or maybe even to Kuwait. Closing the airport will be a major public relations victory for ISIS.
A siege of the Green Zone and American embassy will likely then take place and the US will be forced to destroy by air the Sunni neighborhoods surrounding the area from the zone west to the airport at a minimum resulting in heavy Sunni civilian causalities. Once again, more bad PR for the United States.
Eventually, the US may well be forced to close the embassy and withdraw from the Green Zone, which will result in videos that remind the American public of the Saigon collapse back on April 30, 1975. This would be a tremendous PR victory for the extremists, resulting in more fighter recruits.
Finally, if the US is forced to withdraw from their fortified embassy then, of course, ISIS will take over America's largest embassy in the world. Note, this embassy compound can hold 35,000 American personnel and is basically a small city-state within Baghdad that is massively defended.
This, again, is another victory for ISIS. Finally, the US may well decide to destroy the entire Green Zone and embassy by air to prevent its occupation by the terrorists. This will provide yet more videos – the US destroying its biggest embassy in addition to our earlier air attacks directed at our own tanks and trucks taken by ISIS troops when the Iraq army ran away from Mosul and northern Iraq.
Although the Bush invasion of Iraq has been a costly tragic mistake for all involved, we would do well to never again put US troops back on the ground there. Otherwise, our other economic and financial weaknesses and major threats to our national interests, including the end of the dollar as the world reserve currency, could happen far sooner when combined with a major military defeat and loss of prestige that does not have to take place.
I will be writing more about what happens on the home front to private wealth, prosperity and property when empires collapse and why American investors should look now at possible safe haven opportunities and global investment alternatives to survive and prosper in the future. Remember, all empires die but – although seldom covered in the history books – it is never a pleasant experience for the citizenry.
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Fall to whom? The Iraqi Army is nothing but the biggest Shiite militia and while they can't hold their own in open desert they'll fight like demons for places like Sadr City. Check up with the War Nerd: ISIS is mostly hype.
http://pando.com/2014/06/16/the-war-nerd-heres-everything-you-need-to-kn...
What in God's name has the Fall of Baghdad got ot do with anything?
We already won.
We declared victory long ago, removed our troops and restored freedom and democracy to the Iraqui peoples in a rerbuilt country.
If it's a failure, they've lost it on their very own after we'd left them secure in their own land
How selfish can anybody be than to ask us back again after all we've done for them?
God Bless America
- Joey the Plugs After Action Analysis
Hear hear!
- Debbie Washerwoman "I saw Nussing" Schultz's After Action Report
#After all, Jesus admonished us to never leave anyone alone in the land of Egypt (or sumptin' like it) so the Ebolaites should be free to roam amongst us.
- Jackie the Babe from the State Department.
Which meeting was that?
- Flounder
Who gets to transport the oil to markets now?
Great sensationalist article
Problem is, it does nothing for those who want to make tangible actions in the market this week, even long term. JDST & DUST have been doing great these past two months.
PS who's to say the US can't demand oil for mercernary services.
Perhaps the most well-documented fall of an empire:
Fall of The Roman Empire...in the 15th Century: Crash Coursehttp://www.planbeconomics.com/2014/06/fall-of-roman-empirein-15th-centur...
bahgdad's going to fall...
O.K. let it fall!...
i really dont care...
A million Iraqis and 10,000 American solders died somewhere around there, capt.
I really can't bust you for saying that you don't care though because I think most other Americans feel exactly the same way.
Besides, we can always send another 10,000 U.S. solders to their deaths next year to retake Baghdad if someone decides it's important again.
And Israel has already decided. Saddle up, bitch!
The sunk costs dilemma. Throwing good lives after bad.
No offense to the sacrifices made, but it was always a mistake.
"A million Iraqis and 10,000 American solders died..."
Yep. George Bush and Tony Blair have a lot to answer for.
Since they are both Christians, they might want to reflect upon what a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time they will be in purgatory, and even later how hot and sharp the pitchforks are.
It was worth it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM0uvgHKZe8
Bushes fault.......infinity.
Hell of a job Barry! Women don't need to know how to read....I learned that in the Koran.
It's OK Barry.....just tell us your a muslim. When ISIS supports mutilating females.....what's the real war on women?
In a cyclical world, what goes around comes around.
The US citizenary sleeps while bombs rain down IN THEIR NAME world over. It says, US Air Force, US Army, US Navy...
Whatchoogonnadoo?
Sins of commission, sins of omission...
Title: Are We Ready
We’re not ready for anything.
Nonsense, we are ready for the markets to go up,up,up! No matter what the news is.
ISIS is an American creation. ISIS was created to replace an Iraqi government that had the temerity to think it was sovereign. And as long as ISIS is heavily funded by the US and its "allies" it will continue. After Baghdad, it's on to Damascus apparently.
css1971: Re: Dual-citizen Madeleine Albright's "It was worth it." comment
Albright wasn't asked the right question with the right example, and didn't give a truthful answer anyways.
Keep in mind that the only country on earth that really felt personally threatened by Iraqi's imaginary WMDs at that time was Israel.
The question should have been worded thusly:
To which Albright should have responded,
No Purgatory for Bush and Blair. They each go straight onto a spit in Hell.
Maybe I'm being Mr. Negative here?
they will decompose, that's all. just like grass clippings. anything else is your vivid imagination...
Purgatory for Bush and Blair.
Update: Those guys have been gone for quite some time now...which is quite an embarrassing point for the current administration.
who cares about the embarassment of the current US admin? when it's about Bush and Blair, remember that their "legacy" goes beyond even the next thirty admins
hell or purgatory? why not a... trial
The empty noodle and his poodle
Always some atheist cocksucker has to come out and spit their vitriol every time they read mention of "GOD' or anything having to do with religion. Guess what asshole? Nobody gives a shit that you don't believe in anything.
Why do atheists have to preach to the 86% that disagree with them 24/7 365 days a year?
Go live your life....what little there is left of it.
Social validation and confirmation are required for the weak minded, for those whom have a belief system structured upon an empty void.
That is the reason GetZeeGold.
What is funny is while they are critical and claim that the Christian is intolerant of other's beliefs it is just a transferance of their own intolerance to the Christian's beliefs. Some of the atheists are the most intolerant people of all.
And they are so damned blind that they cannot see it.
Yet all is fair in thier game of Secular Humanism and Moral Relativism as they lack any rational foundation, whatsoever, in that which they believe.
The lack of moral fiber for rational thought is required for the abandonment of structured, ordered thought and they embrace the chaotic randomness.
Now that is what fills thier minds. Confusion becomes thier trademark.
Intolerance should not be tolerated even by the tolerant, else the intolerant will eliminate all genuinely tolerant folk.
"A million Iraqis and 10,000 American solders died... Yep. George Bush and Tony Blair have a lot to answer for"
Right
Remember also how much hate FRANCE got in the US for NOT wanting to contribute in this dirty and stupid Irak war in 2003.
The whole dumbass "FREEDOM FRIES", the TV news showing proud Americans pouring French wines in the gutter, the “cheese-eating surrender MONKEYS” things – all kind of silly jokes still continuing, even in ZH …. Five years of Anti-French slander and vilification was thus thrust by the White House, the administration, members of Congress, governors and by lackeys in the media (like Fox News or Murdoch Press).
May all Americans remember what they did, and how it speaks volumes about how are treated dissent, opinion and opposition.
o.k. fool me once...
and 10,000 troops died... doesn't mean i believe we should do it again...
but if YOU wish to go, or have your kids go...by all means... go enlist..
THEN RUCK UP AND LEAD THE WAY,
BITCH!
Can we conjure soldiers by typing here? Fuck. I guess not. Time to go to the polls where soldiers are conjured by poking holes.
I think we should demand that Yellin conjure up soldiers from thin air the same way she does $'s.
Kinda reminds me of bangin a Golddigger, PULL OUT, PULL OUT NOW!
You knooooowah, I'm engaging in a little bit schadenfreude watching all this myself.
Eboma bopping around giving pretty speeches, talking about saving the planet from manmade global warming at the same time he can't even stop ISIS because he's a puss. Having his DoJ intimidate foreign banks (the Swiss etal) into changing their rules & terms for doing business while everyone else simply removes themself from doing business with the dollar at all. Opening the door into his own face time after time, from "acting stupidly" in the Gates affair & beer summits to Zimmerman to Ferguson with Fast & Furious, IRS intimidation and domestic spying tucked in the middle.
To now...Barry's Babies and ebola.
Seems to me the only thing he's really REALLY good at is making the US government look like ignorant bullies and fools.
nmewn, yah but look at the benefits .gov drones get, some will even parlay .gov reg jobs into millions front running us common tax units, hmmm cough corzine.
"seems to me the only thing he's really REALLY good at is making the US government look like ignorant bullies and fools."
That's all you got?
It's a binary problem with a binary solution? Fuck Baghdad or let someone else go die if they want?
The Air Force just did a cargo drop to some other sub-humans in Kobane - the Rojava Kurds. Nobody you would give a fuck about. They'll be dead soon, anyways. Pallets of crap on regular, old dumb cargo chutes. Nothing special - pictures of the drops are all over the internet.
Two loads went astray and ended up in ISIS hands. Both of those 'astray' loads were on steerable, remote-controlled, GPS-guided precision cargo chutes. The vid was right here on ZH that clearly showed one of the chutes. Plenty of German hand grenades and RPGs for ISIS, almost like they wanted to make damn sure ISIS got them. We're dropping six JDAMs on an ISIS flag to show those bastards, but we can't hit their (U.S.) armor and cannons that everyone else there can see, take vids of and put on the inernet?
The Fake ISIS that's moving on Baghdad is the same Fake ISIS we armed and sent to kill the Yazidis and the same Fake ISIS we sent and are arming to kill the Rojava Kurds in Kobane. And the same Fake ISIS that apparently won't touch Israeli oil fields in Northern Iraq.
The U.S. is arming fake ISIS terrorists to take over a country that we took over for Israel at the cost of many, many U.S. and Iraqi lives.
If there's nothing there that means crap to you, then how about getting your god damn Nazi leaders to pull the fuck out of there completely and quit training and arming ISIS? How about getting the U.S. the fuck out of NATO rather than have them do nothing when NATO member Turkey lets ISIS and al Nusra use their territory for staging and resupply? How about getting your country to pull those fucking JSOC terror camps out of Jordan and Turkey? Nothing in Iraq or Syria to save, so why hang around at all?
Yes those who support Isitreal and the neocons should be the first volunteers zip lining in the hottest zones.
Your word "ruck" made me think of the cowboy hat hero Carlos Arredondo of TOUGH RUCK.
What a real (non)American hero.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHWkRj5JfMc
Americans are too busy being brainwashed by TV and Hollywood. Too busy cheering mindless bullshit like college football. Stadiums filled with 110,000 supposedly educated people doing tribal hero worship hypedom over meaningless games.
Am I sad about those dead kids? Yes. The whole thing is war crime,nightmare fiasco but until some of these mindless idiots care - why should I? Caring about these American kids (soldiers) has become a catch phrase and almost nothing more. Some idiots still like the Bush klan and many still LOVE Obola.
It is hard to sympathize with the beer-bellied debt-drowning drones, using plastic to pay for their seats and booze and shit food and Made-In-China towels and team jerseys, weeping with hands folded in prayer to God, that He In His Almighty Mercy will smite the 'other' team and help the little ball through the metal ring or across a line in the dirt or between some poles or whatever. But we must never lose focus on the SOURCE of the lies and ignorance and distractions. THE AUDIENCE IS AS MUCH A PRODUCT AS THE ENTERTAINMENT.
Enter Common Core....cause we don't want Americans to ever be able to think again.
The illuminated Jeb Bush loves Common Core......he also loves amnesty. Some might call him a republican....but I think of him more as a progressive.
You sold your nation for welfare and football.
lore for prez cause-effect institute of better understanding.
amazes me how few can link more than three events. it is like two is the limit and tptb
know human weakness to a tee. woow, how simple is it to control millions...
don't forget nascar...
Upvote.
Regarding our 'boys' and their 'sacrifices' and they way they 'protect our freedoms' and their love of country:
Mercenary who volunteers for foreign wars =/= Patriot.
I feel no pity for people who volunteer. They chose their sacrifice. They were not drafted and this country was not invaded.
If the troops were defending our freedom, DC and many state capitols would either be burned out ruins or would have capitulated once put under seige. We'd have nationally televised trails, akin to Nuremburg for all the dual-citizens, corrupt banksters, and their political puppets.
We'd have to have a special category for Obola though, because you cannot be guilty of treason in this country if you are not a citizen.
Obama would have to be charged with spying and espionage. We could water board him and drone his family until he confessed all.
I'd really love to get Rumsfeld, Cheney, Woflowitz, W, Powell, and Rice on the waterboard among others. Oy Vey! The stories they could tell.
some turban-wearing terrorists died, and some american-uniform wearing terrorists died, what's the problem?
my only complaint is, some lived.
it's survival of the fittest, bitchez! you want to weed yourself out of the gene pool? great!
you want to enlist in the army because you're feeble minded and believe the propoganda brainwashing from washington that you are fighting for freedom? then great, we need more people like you to go fight and die, it really does make the world a better place.
Pitting lower-level groups against each other in perpetuity is classic Hegelian dialectics. Kissinger expressed the point rather cynically: "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." How many generations iwll get wiped out under false pretexts before somebody stops looking at the guy on the other side of the hill and instead focuses on the individuals and groups pulling the strings of puppets on both sides?
WAR IN THE MODERN SENSE IS NOT A PART OF THE NATURAL HUMAN CONDITION. Consider how much training and medication and indoctrination (video games included) it takes for the average footslogger to pull the trigger and kill another man. It is NOT something that comes naturally to anyone but a psychopath.
Notice how many of the technocrats and politicians who call for other people's blood volunteer to get their own hands dirty. They're psychopaths absolutely, but more importantly, they're con men and cowards, easily the best candidates for some sort of Darwinist purge.
Well put Lore. As usual its best to ask who gains most in each situation. In this case its most probable that the head of IS is an American agent, he plays the boogie man as per script. This is plan B since obama couldn't pull off a major direct war against Syria. Very elbaborate theatre with real corpses of women and children. Syria must be taken by IS and much of Iraq so that the US can easily convince the public it needs to attack it and wipe out IS, thus the land is occupied. I doubt in this poker game the US wants free Kobani to expand much because its harder to justify wiping them out. Millions of people in the area are probably still required to die according to the secret forces that be, the trick is getting the western public to cheer for it. This is an accelerating trend of country after country matching the downward spiral of the west. They're going for broke. For us who see the pyschopaths and actions the way they really are, the question is, how do we stop psycophaths from being in control. I can see only one way, an MRI scan impossed by the people on all people running for office. Anyone who can't pass an empathy grade forfit their application. (This is possible right now with actual current science) Maybe a third of people should be refused. It would have to be a global approach. This is democratic if installed by the majority of people but rights would be taken away from individuals. The question we have ask is, if we don't do this and we let the psychopaths run the system, is it inevitable that they will destroy the planet? I'd pick a very hight probably that they will. This is a very simple question to weigh up. They can be stopped if the people have it clearly eplained to them and shown that its imperative. Rise of the Empaths. Its got a ring to it. If you agree with me, then help spread the word. War of the pyschopaths, or rise of the Empaths. Death to your family, or peace on Earth. Pick a path.
i would add to that test-their financial asset pile. certainly anyone with more 10-20 million gamed the system and is a pyschopath. probably a much easier parameter...of course the eleimantion of the middle class achieves the goal. then who? of course every last bit of wealth is in play. eventually our very existence...slaves of the state as the pedulum swings to the dark fuedal ages of pychopatic kings and queen, with appointed knights to do the dastardly deeds(every football team needs a quarteback to execute the game plan)and plebs to cheer us all on to the victory, stealthy as it may be, it's working as planned, distract, dumb down, and let them have some cake...
repeat this evey 200-550 years, just follow the wealth
Baghdad will only be the start. It will be collapse all the way from that point on.
Somewhere around 100 years from that point, the US will be voting on independence for the states and the United States will cease to exist. People will look back and wonder WTF happened, how could such a power fail... And the answer will be from within, and from the top.
10 years or sooner, follow the debt...
plan B economics and punk rock animation education is what our education has come to , 5 minute blurbs of history, so now you think you know something.
this is how history fades away, to kindergarten world.
fuck plan B economics. i've watched it enough to know it's total oversimplification trash.
so now you know. you can skip these assinine videos.
no empire of a single city will last hundreds of years ever again. london has lasted about 200 years and while the british empire may have faded since the 60's leaving the british with no more than an island empire and a still questionable foothold in canada and australia ---at least from a military perspective the united states is the big dog ----the house of london and its financial tentatles can only extract resources from crown dependencies for so much longer.
london is not rome, and new york is not rome and the world has simply changed , while soft comparisons can be useful for describing empires, it is simply best to look at the u.s. directly for analysis.
furthermore, technological changes of the 20th century have completely changed the propoganda calculus, just as much as strategic nuclear weapons have changed the military calculus. and as much as drones will soon begin to change the calculus of perpetual warfare.
Amen. Enough with the 'Plan B Economics.'
Already does. What do you think keeps the Saudi royals in power?
Mishin' 'complished!
Send the troops back to Baghdad. Then send them on to Saigon, because we need to pick up where we left off. /s
Should probably pull out of South Korea as well....hey.....maybe it's time to give marxism a chance?
Islamic marxism.....even better.
they got soccer too, let the game begin!
they got soccer too
They don't even need a ball.....they just use heads. Sometimes it's goat's head.....sometimes it's human heads.
Give those guys a severed head.....it's endless fun for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktsxucDvNI
"...Why Do We Keep Thanking the Troops?"
If by "fall" you mean reverting back to the historical norm of being ruled by a cruel dictator, then yes I am ready for the fall of Baghdad. We don't seem to mind that Bahrain, UAE and Saudi Arabia are ruled by cruel dictators.
They should have posted Brecher's article.
Thanks for the link.
ISIS has to finish taking Anbar before anyone starts thinking about a siege of Baghdad. to do that ISIS has to take the al-Asad airbase and Ramadi.
If they can do that then we'll start talking about Baghdad.
Note that especially i n syria isis masses a group to overrun a target only to be liquidated soon after. No long term vision or strategy just blitzkreig terror. Makes good headlines but not good long term planning.
Without gulf state funding, iraqi sedition via former baath / naqushbandi elements, turkish treachery and the west providing window dressing isis would be done.
Provided they keep iraqi kurdistan for oil they want assad gone in syria worse than they want a functioning iraqi state.
yup, it's what's underground and above(eventually) to move the product...
It falls if the usa is ok with it falling. Only then. Erbil and iraqi kurdistan wont fall that is for sure.
Since the west got the new govt they wanted what makes you parrot the idea that they would let the cia's army take baghdad?
But Democrats and Libturds cheered when Obola got the Nobel Piece Prize? They still love Obola and love Hillary.
While I f**King loathe the Neocon amnesty RINOs scum who do whatever MIC, the read sheild, Israhell and Obola say. The US Military are also Obola's lap dog.
Anybody who loves government or idolizes any politician is a threat to liberty and lacks intelligence and the ability to self-direct.
DO NOT WANT.
how can one lose what was never his?
"Building 7? What building 7. Never heard about that"
Donald Rumsfeld at Congressional hearing.
We Lost a lot of great men there...for fucking nothing!
Molon Labe!
This next November my only son will turn 18.
few here will know my concern.
Unfortunately Canada is no longer an option.
I took my 2 sons and 2 daughter and wife to New Zealand on a trip and job-interview in early 2006 for such concerns.
It's coming around again.
We had a nice trip; bike toured the circumference of the South Island.
The best interests of your children are in protecting them from what the US has become. Get them out.
Renounce your citizenship so you don't have to continue paying taxes once working abroad.
Haliburton and Bechtel and the MIC and your 'elected officials' care not for the welfare of you or your children.
Not only will you protect your family, you remove human ammunition from supporting their criminality. If people did not become soldiers then they would fail. Even drones need someone to control them.
NZ is a US muppet, as per Snowden, who has more credability
New Muppetland , nice ring to it
Before heading for a foreign land consider what the USA will be with no reserve currency. The government and the hungry collective (thanks for that term fofoa) will be focused on survival. All the stooges that make our lives miserable and harass our liberties will be looking for food and many without jobs as the government collapses without ability to pay them all. I expect gradual improvement as industry returns to a country with a new weak currency and only a few with capital. It won't be the same place with the same excesses but it will still be home.
Las Vegas, history clearly and consistently shows the endgame and aftermath of failed empires. The structure itself cannot hold. As per Toffler's time compression aspect in his book 'Future Shock', the rate of implosion may prove to be stunningly rapid.
Tick tock, people.
Re: "I expect gradual improvement..."
Very gradual. Consider how much needs to change. You're talking about recapitalizing (restoring real wealth) to the world's looted former superpower. India, by comparison, took 200 years to recover from British rape and exploitation. America still has lots of cropland and mineable resources, but the real economy is nearly destroyed. And consider Hillary's comment about jobs being a product of government, this in the face of something like 50 million unemployed (real numbers unknown) and 100 million on some kind of welfare, increasing daily! There's no place for such thinking if any progress is to be made. And the schools have tainted the minds of young brainwashees with Agenda 21. I find many already practically incapable of understanding the mechanism of monetary supply and demand as the chief source of price distortion. Poorly educated, blaming the wrong groups for their hardship, and failing to understand central banking, they will embrace Marxist indoctrination and austerity amid famine and chaos. Many will take military careers to go overseas and kill others in service of foreign policy that boils down to international theft. The police state will employ many others for keeping locals contained and subjugated.
I don't think America can recover. It will collapse, and fragment, and survivors will migrate to a few regional nodes of stability over the next 50-100 years.
The counties around DC will have to be bankrupt and looking like Detroit before real change comes to America. That's beyond my lifetime probably.
I took my 2 sons and 2 daughter and wife to New Zealand
What.....you didn't visit Iraq?
The weight of history is against you. Maybe the US will survive, but the forces that cause the collapse in the first place don't go away. (greed, cynicism, corruption, selfishness, narcissism, megalomania, paranoia, grandiosity). They remain in place at the top and accelerate the process.
Yes. Psychopaths gravitate to power. Power must be taken away from psychopaths.
Political Ponerology
New Zealand's PM used to work at the New York Fed.
You really can't make this shit up.
The previous PM demanded an appology when Mossad agents were caught with fake NZ passports. Then one of the doors of her plane blew off in flight. She got the message a d dropped her complaints.
NZ maybe out of the way but is firmly in the US, Aussie, UK, Gloldmanite clutches. There is no place to hide unless you want to join a remote Amazon Tribe or similar remote group.
NZ Prime Minister Bob Key is tribe.
Yes to freedom with a remote group. You can't beat the abundant fresh, nonGMO food. Authentic people are a joy to be with. Fwiw, in my adopted hood, key is the local word for shit.
Yup, steal or be killed is why, for the psychopaths of government, it is always about the children. Their point of view is that you are raising their future warriors, and cannon fodder.
An American, not US subject.
"I may not be able to stop you from taking my children, but I can make you regret it."
Rural alberta I think and hope is an option unless things get really bad. I know I'll welcome all those with a clue and a probationary tinfoil hat.
Hmmm. Rural Alberta is pretty harsh for several months out of every year. Arthritis and other conditions are worsened by the cold. Hope you have plenty of warm clothing, preps, and abundant gasoline for your snowplow and 4x4.
I dunno such a thing will happen that soon. I get the impression Obola is doing his best to keep US military action and further "boots on the ground" involvement in Iraq as minimal as possible so he can pass the problem onto his successor to sort out. And there's the close relationship that Washington/Langley has always had with ISIS... a monster of their own making.
All this explains why bombing ISIS has been relatively trivial and not aimed at dealing them any sort of terminal blow.
To do otherwise would be seen as a complete u-turn and make his presidency an even greater disaster than it already is.
That´s easy. Just send him on a long , long , long tour of the world with a few cursory postcards from wherever to show the suits when they turn up at your doorstep to find out why he hasn´t reported. Just be sure to state that you don´t have any steady contact with him nor forwarding address. The Phillipines - Haiti - Kazakstan - India - Sri Lanka...you know it´s not a halfbad deal for a young healthy kid working his way thru a lot of nice places and sampling coconuts and fresh fish and such. A really good deal compared to be stuck and shot up in Bagdad or wherever the current shinding is going down.
I'm pretty sure that Haliburton are making a bundle of money. They certainly didn't die for nothing.
WE didn't lose shit.
Those guys volunteered. They were not drafted. They did not muster for their local militia because of an invasion.
They invaded. They followed un constitutional orders. They all violated and continue to violate their oaths of enlistment, because they sure as hell are NOT defending the Constitution from enemies foriegn and domestic.
All this 'support our troops' stuff is complete bullshit.
They deserve as much 'support' as did any Wermacht soldier on the Eastern Front or any Japanse Imperial Army soldier in Manchuria. Their missions are about the same.
Wave that flag, put on Lee Greenwood because at least you know you're free, and pretend that the great sky-daddy really is on our side.
Me? not so much. History is a good teacher but most people think it's not important, or boring. So they dont' know it.
Like the CHP officer told me at age 13, when I stopped to ask him a question and he immediately wrote me a ticket because the motorcycle I was pushing wasn't registered in the great state of California (1981):
Ignorance is no excuse, son.
That was my first run in with the law. That cop was not quite as heroic and helpful as I had been taught in grammer school. He was no Poncherello.
"...All this 'support our troops' stuff is complete bullshit..."
I absolutely agree. Embarrasing as crap for me, personally. War is a filthy fucking job. Nobody knows what any soldier did in Afghanistan, Iraq or any other shithole they sent us to. Hard as it is (I assume) for you to believe, a good deal of the soldiers were there to HELP civilians of another country, not kill them. A little respect for what we were trying to do (even though most of it ened up being a fucking lie) would be nice, but I don't care - you could never understand.
Nobody was there trying to Americanize anything - we just wanted the average [insert country here] schlub to be able to get up, go to work or school, come back home and eat a meal with their family without living in 24x7 mortal fear of psychopaths that were either trying to recruit them, kill them or control them.
'Support our troops' IS absolute bullshit. Save your yellow ribbons and care packages. When I can see that the average Afghani or Iraqi can start to live a normal life, stops getting screwed by everyone and can rebuild their country without weekly car bombings, then everything will have been worth it whether or not any American thinks so or appreciates it. I wasn't fighting for any American's freedom and never once thought so, so anyone's thanks for 'protecting their freedoms' are meaningless.
As long as Iraqis, Afghanis, Libyans, Egyptinas, Syrians, Lebanese and eventually Iranians live in a U.S. state department and ZATO intelligence community-infested psychopathic hellhole, then the message from the U.S. people is loud and clear: Fuck our troops, their work WAS meaningless and WILL CONTINUE TO BE meaningless as long as they're trying to help anyone but ME.
Fix your damn government. There's nothing wrong with your soldiers.
Looks like everything is going like clock work
Clockwork Orange that is
In future America, a charismatic delinquent Barry Soetoro gives up his law license and volunteers for an experimental aversion therapy Presidency developed by the government in an effort to solve the world's freedom problem - and all goes according to plan
http://www.thomhartmann.com/sites/default/files/barry%20smoking.jpg
4 Moar years, 4 Moar years
you dumb copycat .. moar is a stupid way to try to act superior in language
4 more years more more more .. not moar .. look it up .. moar for stupid moar for dumb moar for ass wipe
I want moar food. Maybe it tastes like boar?
I believe it is spelt mawr...
into the maw-r.
Me Love Moar...
Moar than takeing a dump-ster in the toilet...
Me luv you long time moar.
Listen.
Bottom line on your Baghdad fantasy is, NO. Too many oil contracts that have to be fulfilled. As soon as Syria is overturned. ISIL will magically disappear.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fOj-cGHCdE
It -Irag -was never worth one American injured or dead; BTW Sadam did just fine controlling the radical muslims - a few thousand dead every month barely challeneged the local birth rate; and what the hell -they have no schools, no jobs, no nothing worth getting involved in. Same shit for over a thousand years Sunni kills Shia; Shia kills Suni. Rumsfeld was the dumb fuck who tried to pitch "rebuilding" democracy in Irag. What a collassal A..hOLE!
Democracy is now nothing more than a cover story.
Once ISIS has BIAP the US embassy is isolated. Toast.
well at least israel got a few years without saddam paying $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers.
as far as i can tell, the zionists are ok with failed states all around them. i think they even had a plan along these lines.
Failed states are easy to control because they are always on the edge of being overthrown. It's not hard to influence the outcome.
yes they are a big fan of failed states - israel's biggest ally is the usa, so what does that tell you?
When ISIS takes Baghdad the CIA will once again have control of the central govt of Iraq.
Eventually they will recognize the new "moderate" ISIS as the govt wilth control over the entire region.
And just who are the big bad countries the author claims have ganged up against the US? How many bombing runs have they executed, how many balistic missiles have hit US compounds, how many US ships have they sunk? Canada, Australia, the EU, UK, Japan, and others are claiming ISIS is the new evil and the US is doing the world a wonderful favor going back in to fight them.
So let me get this straight. The US puppet ISIS is planning to attack and take over the US puppet Baghdad.
Got it.
Makes for a compelling drama.
A Game of Shitheels.
It's sock puppets with their hands up sock puppets asses, all the way. Sock puppet daisy chain, sock puppet circle jerk. Two dimensional Escher sock puppet that appears to be three D.
I hope there's selfies
MsCreant, that's not very ladylike. but I'm afraid it's pretty accurate.
When the sock puppets take on a life of their own it becomes a sock puppet horror show.
I can just hear the ziocons on tv bemoaning that all their US army has to do is nuke iraq and kill everyone.
Now that would take away all the fun, wouldn't it?
Not really. Ziocons are itching for their own little hollocaust.
For the Children!
Payback is a biotch.
This might sound odd but believe or not the USA has a lot of Islamic friends....some going back decades.
Can't speak African Americanus here either but sending 1500 white guys over to West Africa to save thirty million is some PRETTY THIN GRUEL in my view.
Not that I'm expecting "minority populations" to take a hankerin to olde DV here....but hey, "you don't wanna die and I don't wanna see you dead" either.
I mean TALK ABOUT TOTAL PHUCKING BULLSHIT.
Any who...somewhere on the verge of "bubonic plague only worse" is an economic recovery that doesn't involve stealing everything that isn't nailed down...let alone someone getting serious about a real jobs recovery.
All I have to say to that right now is "not in New York, New Jersey, Illinois or Pennsylvania.". Which says to me " start cleaning house or else."
This might sound odd but believe or not the USA has a lot of Islamic friends....some going back decades.
Can't speak African Americanus here either but sending 1500 white guys over to West Africa to save thirty million is some PRETTY THIN GRUEL in my view.
Not that I'm expecting "minority populations" to take a hankerin to olde DV here....but hey, "you don't wanna die and I don't wanna see you dead" either.
I mean TALK ABOUT TOTAL PHUCKING BULLSHIT.
Any who...somewhere on the verge of "bubonic plague only worse" is an economic recovery that doesn't involve stealing everything that isn't nailed down...let alone someone getting serious about a real jobs recovery.
All I have to say to that right now is "not in New York, New Jersey, Illinois or Pennsylvania.". Which says to me " start cleaning house or else."
This might sound odd but believe or not the USA has a lot of Islamic friends....some going back decades.
Can't speak African Americanus here either but sending 1500 white guys over to West Africa to save thirty million is some PRETTY THIN GRUEL in my view.
Not that I'm expecting "minority populations" to take a hankerin to olde DV here....but hey, "you don't wanna die and I don't wanna see you dead" either.
I mean TALK ABOUT TOTAL PHUCKING BULLSHIT.
Any who...somewhere on the verge of "bubonic plague only worse" is an economic recovery that doesn't involve stealing everything that isn't nailed down...let alone someone getting serious about a real jobs recovery.
All I have to say to that right now is "not in New York, New Jersey, Illinois or Pennsylvania.". Which says to me " start cleaning house or else."
In 1948, Henry Kissinger, a 23-year-old American intelligence officer, recruited Nazi expatriates to serve in top positions in American military, aerospace, and biological science and medicine. Twenty years later, he left Harvard’s esteemed faculty and resigned a lucrative position as Nelson Rockefeller’s foreign policy attache’ to become President Nixon’s closest advisor and director of the National Security Council. Seeking alternatives to tactical nuclear weapons to bolster America’s “diplomacy” abroad, the paranoid and egomaniacal Kissinger quickly ordered the Army’s Chief of Staff to requisition $10 million from Congress for the development and testing of EBOLA & AIDS-like viruses. Within ten years, the AIDS and Ebola epidemics erupted coincidentally in the regions of Africa ravaged by CIA military covert operations also ordered by Kissinger.
In 1984, Dr. Robert Gallo, of the National Cancer Institute, claimed credit for discovering the AIDS virus. He announced it most likely originated from a monkey virus which spontaneously mutated and naturally jumped species. Dr. Gallo was a biological weapons contractor for the CIA’s top secret “Project: MKNAOMI,” and was paid to produce and test EBOLA, AIDS-like viruses as early as 1970.
EBOLA – CIA Project Codename MKNAOMI & Hi-Tech Assassinationsmoney moves in advance of politics and steals
the value of the people every time; you could
say it burns through populations by design,
the engineered design of the money. this,
here, people should know but it almost never be
told, you have to figure it out for yourself.
by the time you do, your interest will have
nearly entirely waned to zero percent.
.
Gil Scott-Heron - 'I'm New Here' (official video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV_astp3BjM
The New American Century Project is alive and well. The baseline was shifted from Neo-Con to Neo-Liberal.
Enjoy
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/new-american-century/
Not sure how much more obvious the BULLSHIT can get for the people who served there.
Is it clear now?
Is it clear, who the actual enemy is?
It was spell-binding watching the Americans evacuating Saigon and pushing choppers off the decks of ships at sea. Even crazier was the fall of Romania. Will ISIL have this live on TV?
You bet ... and how many Marines will think of Obama when they see it?
No, you won't see it on TV. You'll see it on Youtube.
EBOLA – CIA Project Codename MKNAOMI & Hi-Tech Assassinations
In 1948, Henry Kissinger, a 23-year-old American intelligence officer, recruited Nazi expatriates to serve in top positions in American military, aerospace, and biological science and medicine. Twenty years later, he left Harvard’s esteemed faculty and resigned a lucrative position as Nelson Rockefeller’s foreign policy attache’ to become President Nixon’s closest advisor and director of the National Security Council. Seeking alternatives to tactical nuclear weapons to bolster America’s “diplomacy” abroad, the paranoid and egomaniacal Kissinger quickly ordered the Army’s Chief of Staff to requisition $10 million from Congress for the development and testing of EBOLA & AIDS-like viruses. Within ten years, the AIDS and Ebola epidemics erupted coincidentally in the regions of Africa ravaged by CIA military covert operations also ordered by Kissinger.
In 1984, Dr. Robert Gallo, of the National Cancer Institute, claimed credit for discovering the AIDS virus. He announced it most likely originated from a monkey virus which spontaneously mutated and naturally jumped species. Dr. Gallo was a biological weapons contractor for the CIA’s top secret “Project: MKNAOMI,” and was paid to produce and test EBOLA, AIDS-like viruses as early as 1970.
EBOLA – CIA Project Codename MKNAOMI & Hi-Tech Assassinations
and the director for operation paperclip in 1945 was Dr Thomas Carroll...
The bold sentences and underlined paragraphs makes these articles seriously irritating on the eyes. Has this author ever seen printed text in other context than their own writing?
Bolded, italicized, underlined text; emoticons, all caps, exclamation points, etc. All these are the actualization of the feminine desire for melodrama, to be noticed by every man in the room when she makes her entrance, to be flash-bulbed to death on the runway in that oh so divine gown. iow, the fucking use of all these artifacts is nothing more than the super-volcanic gushing of the remorselessly self-centered narcissistic female, even if the author is male.
The Tylers put them in. Not in the original article ...
Didn't know. Thanks. Should'a realized it when many/most columns used the same formatting.
Oh yes, then there's the riots in Kasmir where I saw some rioters on TV last night flying ISIS flags.
Their influence is widespread ... how or why people follaw/jon isis so far away I don't know, but it's there.
I remember very well the words of Capt Crawford, then the S-2 (intelligence officer) of 2d Brigade 101st: 'To kill a snake, you cut off its head." That was in November 1968 and we were in a large bunker in LZ Sally, RSV. He added that, to "win" the War, we, the US military, had to fly north and conquer Hanoi. I was a green Infantry Lt and almost craped in my pants. But, Crawford was right - the only way to win was to cut off the head of the snake. And, no one back then (at the time of the maximum build-up of troops in Vietnam) had the guts to contemplate, let alone do that. Simply stated, even the flag wavers were not willing to die to conquer Vietnam.
Fast forward 46 year to 2014. How many swinging dicks out there are willing to die to conquer Iraq. How about conquering the Ukraine. How many unemployed Americans are willing to enlist and take up arms in infantry combat units, even though such persons are unemployed or underemployed. The whole flag-waving deal is dead. No one wants to be profiled on the American Heroes Channel as KIA in some foreign land.
Win what?
That was Bush ~Juniors flag waving, - to kill a snake we have to cut off its head - hence the hunt for Saddam Hussein, and Osama Bin Laden
Great, both worked out so well, we have a better peace in the middle east.
How about LEAVE NOW, stay on track and let ISIS - a self declared caliphate and so called head of the muslim world yet abhorred by most muslims - be dealt with by the muslim nations around it?
What is to lose for the west?
1. Israeli borders under threat - but now they may strike a peace deal with neighbours to keep the caliphate from their borders
2. oil and gas? from iraq and syria? not the most important fields
3. a growth in confidence for the muslim world, and a requirement by the rest of the world to recognize that the arab states are equal citizens of the world, not some "second class" religion compard to anglo/saxon/catholic values?
What is to lose for the west?
$$$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$$$$$ ....
The control of your currency.
The Snake is Cut To Pieces, but Still not Dead--
The Pieces will Regrow and live again.
--Author unknown
Everything in this story sounds pretty good to me...what's the problem?
Hey speaking of America and her allies,
http://rt.com/news/199116-palestinian-american-killed-idf/
An American boy was murdered by the IDF. Does that mean America will now be going to war against Israel?
yes, clearly!
because, you know, the ussa never kills innocent people.
It took years of planning and propaganda to fail this badly.
* Shock and Awe the initial bombing of Baghdad *
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NktsxucDvNI
Ten years ago Bill O'Reilly said the reason the liberal news does not cover Afghanistin is because the USA won that war, that war is over, and the liberal media won't talk about it because it was such a success for the US military.
Bill is a true POS if ever there was one.
Bill and others are just the voice for the NWO.
It's going to be tricky, since Baghdad is being held securely (or so they think) by Iran and Russia and the local Shia, so they have to let ISIS in to attack just the embassy, but I doubt ISIS is that disciplined.