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The Challenges Of Defending Your Child’s Mind From Propaganda
Submitted by The Dissident Dad via Mike Krieger's Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
In great empires the people who live in the capital, and in the provinces remote from the scene of action, feel, many of them, scarce any inconveniency from the war; but enjoy, at their ease, the amusement of reading in the newspapers the exploits of their own fleets and armies. To them this amusement compensates the small difference between the taxes which they pay on account of the war, and those which they had been accustomed to pay in time of peace.They are commonly dissatisfied with the return of peace, which puts an end to their amusement, and to a thousand visionary hopes of conquest and national glory from a longer continuance of the war.
– Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations
Let’s face it, your child’s mind is fertile ground for oligarchs, corrupt politicians and any other thieving member of the so-called “ruling elite” who aim to enslave the masses both mentally and monetarily. Unfortunately, the propaganda that comes from the government and our largest corporations is perceived as being absolute truth by most people. If you’re like me, at one point in time you had to wake up to it all and accept that you had been completely brainwashed for the first few decades for your life.
On a parental level, defending my child’s mind against blatant lies and deceit from the media, military industrial complex and corporatism is really not that difficult. But what about their grandparents, cousins or the kids next door?
I truly believe that most Americans suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, a psychological phenomenon where the victim identifies with the attacker to the point they will even defend their captor and even treat certain forms of abuse as a form of compassion.
We see this everywhere; especially around election time, where the voters defend all kinds of atrocities and criminal actions by our elected officials.
The mobs, of course, love the abuse and crimes against humanity. They probably even feel patriotic if the guy committing the crimes is of the same political affiliation they identify with.
When I am home with the kids, observing this type of behavior is easy to discuss – right and wrong is sort of natural for the kids. It’s the adults in their lives who inject a lot of bad philosophy into their lives and unfortunately for most of us reading this blog, the adults have some influence in our children’s lives.
I feel like I have to tread carefully. I mean I am talking about people I love very much: grandparents, neighbors, cousins, uncles…pretty much everyone in our lives. You would think that a non-violent philosophy focused on respecting other people and not forcing your will against others would be universally accepted, but in reality it’s not.
There’s a certain program that pretty much everyone follows. We nearly all accept the lie that every American soldier’s death was to defend our freedoms; that drugs, prostitution and other consensual acts are bad and should be outlawed. That Muslims are violent, that war is good for the economy and America has a free market system. Our society idolizes some of our biggest criminals. In fact, the bigger the crime, the more you are treated as a legend in many circles.
I often get frowns from my friends and family when I openly teach my children about the immoral aspects of government, or how we should be kind to others, even Iranians!
Sometimes the philosophy of respect can make you the oddball, and as a parent the last thing I want to do is make my kids feel weird or be treated like outcasts.
Ultimately, my children will have to make their own choices. I can’t expect them to go against the crowd like I have, but in the meantime I will defend their minds. Not by shutting out the people we love or the millions of Americans who suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. Rather, as a father I will give them real choices: the choice between violence and volunteerism, and the choice between discriminating against other people because of imaginary borders and superficial differences and respecting others.
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Step 1: No public school.
Step 2: No mainstream television or Holljewood movies.
I found out that he's late to press conferences because he's at Golf Mart waiting for his ball retriever to be regripped.
Believe nothing. But Uncle Knukies
The first two posts in this thread are fail.
One cannot manipulate or shield one's kids into independent critical thinking - one only has to open their eyes and sometimes even just confirm their doubts, at a few important waypoints in life.
Malek you are either stupid or you are a Troll. Or you are both.
Ebola will free the people.
Get your kids outside, playing with friends, running with the dogs, riding bikes.
Your child is more likely to be struck by lightning than abducted by a stranger.
Fuck you very much Oprah Winfrey.
But if you live in New Yawk, fuhgetaboutit.
Keep them off Facebook and more importantly keep them way away from Google...
Get rid of Video Games and Video Game PROGRAMMING. Kaiserhoff you are correct. Get them outside.
A majority of residents in Northern California think they are progressive and don't think they are programmed. Many will put Coexist bumper stickers on their vehicles and they'll always vote for a Democrat--espcially when it's Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer on the ballot.
http://www.vice.com/read/coexist-bumper-stickers-are-really-intolerant
https://www.facebook.com/pages/I-hate-the-coexist-bumper-sticker/1687335...
I read these bumper stickers as "Go ahead and carjack me, I don't have a gun, and I understand you're robbing (and possibly raping and killing) me only because those greedy Rethuglicans are too racist to give you a job."
So thanks for carrying a Coexist sticker, it makes me less of a target.
If you want to make sure your kids don't get brainwashed, definately take them to church. Church shields their minds from ill-formed logic.
Oh and if you disagree with me you are stupid and a troll. That's the ZH line right?
I'm not sure of your point but FUCK YOU and bless you, just in case I didn't get your point. Can't hurt to cover your bases in this world, you know. If you agree with me, brother, you are so right. If you disagree with me, then fuck you, you libtard and/or conservatard fuckhole (depending on your point, which isn't clear). And bless you either way. Just in case. Fucker (or brother). Love you, man, to the extent I don't hate you depending on what you meant.
LOL
Ditto
I think we're at the point that if ass-raping infants became legalized there would actually be people going around ass-raping infants, because it was legal.
I am Chumbawamba.
Everything is a lie. Prepare accordingly.
Separate realities.
Blue VS Red. Black VS White.
Your "propaganda" differs from mine.
I'm in agreement with 12 Tooth.
If everything isn't a lie, then it's a half-truth which near be the same.
Illusion for the masses.
The chart of # people doing it would look like Fed bank assets '08 - now.
I was raised going to Mass on Sunday and I absolutely think I am better for it. I left the church when they started spouting the virtues of collectivism and demanding amnesty for illegal aliens tho.
May the Kaiserhoff be with you...
fb can be a great source of knowledge and ideas if you have the right perspective on it and use it for that only: to facilitate learning.
Sure. And you can learn a lot sitting on death row.
Fuck off.
So then did you also attack this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-26/are-you-authoritarian
Or what type(s) of authoritarian are you?
I hate to say it, but meet most libertarians. They want to teach their own views and exclude others because the other views are "dangerous." Some kind of freedom, that. Same reason many detest liberal arts education that exposes the student to a variety of viewpoints and (if done correctly, not at an Ivy League school), will teach the student to have the tools to make up his/her own mind. No idea is dangerous to a critical mind. It's the same reason I think the ZH anti-discrimination policy is small-minded. Sunlight is a great disinfectant.
I note that the religious intolerant also find different ideas anathema. Good company.
Where this all goes wrong begins with the title:
"The Challenges Of Defending Your Child’s Mind From Propaganda"
I've made a website which explores this concept of ownership (Your child) of a human being, and the missing 'human rights' of a child. Human Rights
Osho gave it a chapter in the book of children.
-- a kid that never grew up
Libertarianism cannot interface effectively with any other ideology; it is a hothouse flower, easily killed by anyone who values "my tribe" over "my freedom". So they have to convert the whole world to libertarianism or give up and go home.
Holy shit. I agree with malek.
Let's see. What works with kids? Tell them to abstain from sex, for it is bad. Check. Tell them drugs are bad -- just say no. Check. Don't drink, it's bad. Check. Shield them from media and mainstream thinking. Check.
Come on ZH'rs. You can do better.
“Let's see. What works with kids? Tell them to abstain from sex, for it is bad. Check. Tell them drugs are bad -- just say no. Check. Don't drink, it's bad. Check. Shield them from media and mainstream thinking. Check. “
What works with kids?
Peer pressure is everything to kids (and many/most adults).
Read with them when they are young, to instill a love of reading. As they grow, make sure they gradually read more non-fiction than fiction (it’s a given that most kid’s books are fiction).
Home school them.
Teach them to abstain from sex until marriage- explaining why.
Ditto for drugs- non-prescription as well as prescription. Not “just say no.”
Drinking (within limits) should be introduced at an early age- as it is in France.
And yes, they should watch mainstream media with an adult as part of their educational experience, and the adult should be present to introduce critical thinking along with facts to reason on.
The family unit is the basis of a strong, moral society. Even in a weak, immoral world, children can be raised to be strong, with absolute, rather than relative morals.
It’s up to the parents- not the schools, not the gubmint, to ensure that their children are brought up wisely.
Why?
If you bring children into this world then you are responsible for them until they are able to care for themselves and become responsible for themselves.
Your children are not my responsibility and my children are not your responsibility.
Actually it serves you better if you teach them responsibility at an earlier age. (It also serves them better but the entire world is about YOU.)
After they become responsible and productive then YOU can be released from YOUR responsibility.
Now I know that I wrote about a self centered attitude. But, after all, it is YOU who asked why.
Since you do not love them enough to do it,
since you do not understand that love is not a feeling but an action verb,
and since you do not know that sacrifices which must be made by you IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN AND LOVE YOUR CHILDREN,
THEN
you do it to relieve yourself of the "burden" of child rearing.
Of course since you asked why I must also consider that perhaps that you are unable to love because of your own personal hedonistic, narcissistic psycopathology,
Is that clear enough?
Or he was mimicing a three year old.
What is the difference between a Three Year Old Tyrant and an adult with a hedonistic narcissistic psychopathic personality?
A Three Year Old Tyrant will mature out of that stage whereas that disorder has crystalized in the adult due to poor nurturing.
Wait. Does the three year old, or the hedonistic narcissistic psychopathic personality, call himself Tall Tom?
Always.
You outed me....
LOL
Edit...I did not junk you for your bad joke.
In fact I will up arrow it.
Hahaha. Narcissist thinks I care if it up arrows me or down arrows me. Sorry. Thanks, that's very important to ... me. Hahahaha.
No, really. Everyone cares about your up/down voting. You are very important.
LetThemEatRand,
Communication is the point, not the "vote".
Tall Tom respects you enough to take the time share his thoughts.
I didn't initially make the point about the vote, Liberty2012.
"What is the difference between a Three Year Old Tyrant and an adult with a hedonistic narcissistic psychopathic personality?"
The child is an animal that may become human.
The "adult with a hedonistic narcissistic psychopathic personality" is an animal that will never be human.
We all grow up, sometime, anusocracy. Or rather, we should.
Speak for yourself. I'm not wired for, nor do I approve of, stealing, killing, destroying, or enslaving others.
Unlike you humanimals who make up 99% of the population.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1999-08-01/news/9907310405_1_potty-trai...
I figured unrulian's "Why?" was referring to this:
"Teach them to abstain from sex until marriage- explaining why."
If you leave your child to be brought up by government, theyw will be subjected to the once size fits all solution. Their options will become more and more limited. The classes will be geared for the least common denominator.
I was talking toa a friend about how guys work at road contstruction. We all have seen the five guys standing around the one guy shoveling. "Why aren't the other gus getting ready for the next step?", I asked.
"Ever been in school? Everyone always has to wait for the last guy to finish before they all go on to the next step. It's learned", he replied.
So it is.
"with absolute, rather than relative morals."
I agree with most of what you said, other than the above. Even the fucking Catholic church can't seem to figure out what is moral and what isn't in any given decade. There is no such thing as absolute morals. When is self-defense justified? If a guy who looks like no good comes to your door for an innocent reason (say he is at the wrong house), and you're legitimately scared and you open fire on him, is that moral? If you are ordered by your army commander to burn down a village because it may harbor terrorists, but you have a pretty good idea that there may be children inside, is that moral? Is it moral to disobey a direct order from someone you swore to obey? If you disobey and an enemy fighter walks out and kills the guy next to you who you consider your brother, were you right or wrong to disobey your commander? If you disobey and 10 children later walk out unharmed, were your moral? Black and white thinking is always dangerous. You have a mind. Use it.
LTER, there is such a thing as absolute morals. Self defense is justified when an individual, family member, friend, or neighbor is attacked (obviously stretching the “self”, rather than get into a long semantic diatribe.) If you gun down someone at your door, they better have threatened you with a weapon before you opened fire, otherwise it’s murder or at least manslaughter.
It’s never moral to burn down whole villages under orders (or not), obviously some innocents will be murdered, and murder is not moral, ever. Swearing to obey anyone other than God is not moral.
“If you disobey and an enemy fighter walks out and kills the guy next to you who you consider your brother, were you right or wrong to disobey your commander? If you disobey and 10 children later walk out unharmed, were your moral? “
You should know better, LTER- both examples are logical fallacies- it’s a non-sequitur- “argument from consequences”, as well as “not a cause for a cause.”
Absolute morals absolutely exist.
But that doesn't mean everything is black and white thinking. Obviously shades of gray are the norm and it takes knowledge of the what, where, why, when and how to determine whether a given event or decision is moral or immoral.
If 10 of us can risk ourselves to save one good person's life, shall we? If 100 of us. If 10000 of us? If 1,000,000 of us? If 100,000,000 of us may save one good life by risking our own, should we? If one billion people may die to save an innocent, should we? If one good person can save another good person but risk both lives in the process, should he? Kind of depends, doesn't it?
Let's say that I have the opportunity to save your child from a fire. If I save him, 10 other people I could otherwise save will die, including other children. Or let's say there are two children. One will die in either event. One is your child and I don't know you. Which do I save? What is the moral choice?
If 10 of us can risk ourselves to save one good person's life, shall we…..
That's a classic case of a “Slippery Slope”.
But, besides that point- Who determines what is a “good” person? I would defer to the words of Jesus Christ: “"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.” – Mark 10:18
Substitute “innocent” if you like: “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” – Romans 3:23
It belongs to God alone to determine who will be judged “good.” But He does provide absolute morals for all of us. It is our responsibilty to learn those morals and live in accord with them.
Let's say that I have the opportunity to save your child from a fire. If I save him, 10 other people I could otherwise save will die, including other children. What is the moral choice?
I’ll_let_the_bridge_keeper_answer_that.
So you can't answer my question, then? Quoting scripture is very typical of evil people in response to difficult questions that challenge their evil belief system. Care to answer my question or stand behind your prior post? Are you capable of thinking for yourself or just quoting scripture to hide youself?
What came first, the chicken or the god?
Jesus Fucking Christ, are you serious? God came first. Seek Truth will explain.
Permit Jesus to explain:
Mt 6:
22“The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, 23but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!
I can only imagine how difficult it must be for you to understand that true Christianity is a way of life, not a religion, LTER.
That’s because your questions resemble oversimplified plots, like a Hollywood movie.
If 10 of us can risk ourselves to save one good person's life, shall we…..Kind of depends, doesn't it?
Yes, it "depends." Still, it’s a classic case of a “Slippery Slope”. Let’s assume we are talking about reality here, not a Hollywood movie. Who determines what is a “good” person? Substitute “innocent” if you like. That really answers your question with a question, albeit a realistic one that must be answered to determine what, if any, morals are implicated. But just for grins:
(1)-Not to be coy, but as a Christian, “saving” a person’s life means something quite different to me, capische?
(2)-Okay, you are discussing “saving” a temporal life. I better know the person really well, and hopefully understand the circumstances that brought them to have me consider putting my life on the line to rescue them. Lots of moral (and other) issues would be raised in my mind before I would commit to such a venture. Let’s face it- heroics aside, this really is a “Hollywood” kind of scenario- too many variables to be specific.
Let's say that I have the opportunity to save your child from a fire. If I save him, 10 other people I could otherwise save will die, including other children. Or let's say there are two children. One will die in either event. One is your child and I don't know you. Which do I save? What is the moral choice?
The only morals that come into play are whether all of them are strangers to you, or some (or all) are known to you. In any case, you do not have prescience to know that only one can be “saved”, do you? If you risked your life to save one, or all of them, you are brave (that is a character issue, not a moral issue). There is again not enough information to determine: (1) who was the child you saved and who did they grow up to be? (2) Who was the child you did not save, and who would they have become? Precisely because you are not a prescient being, there exists no moral issue unless you deliberately allowed one or more of the children to die (yet because you are not prescient, you do not know if you can save any of them in reality).
See how reality differs from a theoretical Hollywood scenario?
PS- That should explain why I answered as I did previously. Less verbose, more ground covered, succinct.
Simple question: how many children should be killed in the Middle East to save Americans (even if you assume that evil Middle Eastern guys are a real threat to us)?
Another simple question: how many bankers did Jesus save?
how many children should be killed in the Middle East to save Americans (even if you assume that evil Middle Eastern guys are a real threat to us)?
ZERO.
how many bankers did Jesus save?
Any that he has called.
Simple question to you...
Why did you SUPPORT THOSE MURDERS of ONE HALF MILLION IRAQI KIDS, LTER?
You paid taxes and Financial support is SUPPORT.
So do not tell me that you did not.
(No. I did NOT pay any taxes to the Federal Government during that time.)
Financial support is support.
Financial support is support.
FINANCIAL SUPPORT IS SUPPORT.
DO YOU GET IT?
"Why did you SUPPORT THOSE MURDERS of ONE HALF MILLION IRAQI KIDS, LTER?
You paid taxes and Financial support is SUPPORT.
So do not tell me that you did not.
(No. I did NOT pay any taxes to the Federal Government during that time.)"
I own my own business and I don't get paid in cash. I have no ability to take in funds and not pay taxes. Should I join the FSA? Explain yourself. Are you living in a basement or did you leave the USA or what?
Zero children should be killed. In a perfect world, that is. In this imperfect world, children will be killed, and those who did so will be judged- some by mankind- and all of them by God.
Jesus saved as many bankers as have truly put faith in Him. I don't have a number, of course, but I would assume that the higher ranking the bank(s)ter, the more rapidly the number approaches zero.
So you agree that we should stop bombing the Middle East so as to avoid the killing of children in this world, or is morality relative such that those children should die to save American children on the off chance that some cave dwellers may be more of a threat to American children than high tech weapons and drones are a threat to their children?
Who is this “we” you refer to? Some of those bombs actually hit military targets. Many don’t. I’m not in favor of bombing innocents anywhere. Of course, the gubmint, at the point of a gun, steals some of my earnings, and some percentage of those funds pays for these violent actions against innocents. I do what I can, reducing my taxes as much as possible. More importantly, many individuals in my peer group fund missionary work to those countries to reach those same innocents and their families so that they can truly be “saved” in the Christian sense.
On a long enough timeline… (or a short one for some).
You are avoiding my question. Should we cease all bombing now? Or is bombing of innocents (so long as you try not to contribute too much, but just a little) okay.
What is the point of your question? I do not have that authority, nor do you.
I don't "contribute" anything- money stolen at the point of a gun is not a contribution, it is theft.
If a robber steals your wallet and buys a gun with the proceeds, then shoots and kills someone, are you responsible for contributing to the murder in question?
Perhaps you should get some sleep, your questions are getting very childish.
Just say you agree or disagree with the bombing of Middle Eastern Countries. If you say you categorically reject the bombing because innocents are killed for no good reason other than enriching bankers and satisfying the selfish desire of SUV driving Americans to not worry about a random attack that is far less likely to kill you than a bee sting or a manatee attack (at the same time), and you swear you will never vote for anyone who hedges on this point, I will have some small faith left in those who claim to be Christian. Otherwise, to hell with you.
Christians don't care about your support.
You seem to be an expert on asking "If God can do anything, can He make a rock so big He can't pick it up" type questions,
I have one for you.
A terrorist comes over here and kills your kid, you find out later, he's the kid you refused to kill 15 years earlier.
YOU ARE GIVEN THE POWER TO GO BACK IN TIME.
With your "2nd chance", do you kill the kid terrorist ?
Are you lying about your "morals", or do you not care about your kids ?
fuck the sand niggers. nuke 'em all and let allah sort 'em out
They prefer "camel pilots."
hajji preschool http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8f2_1392220198
my home school kid is weirder than your public school kid.....
i think that might be a real bumper sticker in austin.....
"One cannot manipulate or shield one's kids into independent critical thinking"
I quote that because that is the part I agree with. I will say this having young kids. I, as a parent, know that I have to spend considerable time each and every day unprogramming my kids. Each of them at a different age and at different levels of programming it is not easy. The best way I find is to engage them in the topics they are being taught, and to guide them into thinking critically about them. Looking at the other angles, seeing that there is much more to a topic that they are being taught or indoctrinated to. It sticks. I find them, over time, becoming able to see past the initial lesson they are being taught.
As for the shielding, I know parents who took that route and all they have done is make their kids outsiders of their peer group. You cannot hide them from the world or the world from them. It is the parents job to make sure they understand it.
If you care for your kids you'll move out in the boonies to raise them. There is no "unprogramming" as much as there is no "shielding". You can only give them an environment with less conforming pressure (easy part) and show them the beauty of rationality and critical analysis at an early age (hard part).
I still think the main issue with society is the belief parents inherently "love" their kids. It is not love, but affection, and affection is a commodity a parent will always put behind their own life, no matter what they claim.
Amazing how many indoctrinated over-religious americans are on ZH. They say absolute morals exist and they cannot wait to indoctrinate their kids to their own personal views, even though that produces kids refusing to listen to every single word their parents say, if not superficially only. The same old, dangerous beliefs, coupled with the denial of the need for a coherent discourse. This is America. This is why, as a nation, it is over, yet it is too blind with its own authoritarianism and narcissism to see it.
Best thing is to spend more time with your kid instead of letting a stranger or a TV teach them in your stead.
RIPS
Let the down arrows fly.
Imagine having the mom inside the house with the kid! Really, futuristic shit but it seems to work in my house.
The oligarchs have made it difficult or impossible financially for most families to have the mom inside the house. And there's a reason for this which should be self-evident.
True. We sacrifice adequate child rearing so the wife can have a nice SUV to pick up the kid after soccer practice. Who is to blame? Madison Avenue or the Jones'. A bit of both.
That is true for many. More literally can't make rent, dentist, doctor, school books, etc without two incomes.
Could just blame the teachers. Easier than taking responsibility.
RIPS
Show them to doubt. The school will try to teach them to doubt you. Show them that behind every robe of authority there's a little person hiding. From the time I was in the fifth grade, I always questioned and doubted teachers. Take them to interesting places. Show them that trust is a drug which enslaves its users.
Wisdom is doubt. Show them persistence.
Yes. How did doubting everything work out for you?
If I, as an authority figure, told you that the proper structure of a simple sentence is a subject and an object will you doubt me?
It seems as if you did not doubt that fact as you use that structure.
Did you, or do you, doubt that the product of three and seventy two is equal to two hundred sixteen? Did you doubt the methodology instructed in order to come up with that figure?
Just how much information given during those years after fifth grade did you doubt? It seems as if you are deluding yourself if you believe that. But I may be mistaken.
You must understand that I doubt that you have been a skeptic for that long. In fact your own icon, Sigma, sigma, sigma, lets me know that you have an understanding of the Greecian Numerical System.
(Of course it means 666.)
So I am not even certain that you are deluding yourself. Perhaps you are attempting to mislead others?
It is like Shakespeare admonished...To thine own self be true.
Yet with the 666 icon you may not be interested in truth and that, by all means, is your path to choose if you so shall desire it.
When I went to grade school the subject material was concentrated on learning the basics of the English Language and Mathematics. Of course some time was devoted to the Sciences as well as the Social Studies.
My Social Studies course in Sixth Grade taught me how to read the Stock Quotes in the Financial Section. (Easy stuff. I was really pissed when the Market Quotes in the early 1980s turned into decimals.)
I liked the old style "Pieces of Eight" bidding as that is the way that I had learned it in 1970. Yeah. IBM was up 15/16ths or GM might have dropped 1 and 27/32nds. My sixth grade teacher combined the Math and Social Studies and had the FREEDOM to do that as there was NO DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION directing his instruction at the time. He really did not promote any Political Agenda.
But what he did was to teach USEFUL AND APPLICABLE INFORMATION and I am happier today that I did not doubt him.
It is damned sad that all you have been filled with is doubt.
And you'd doubt this type of education?
Tall Tom,
Critical thinking does require use of what can be called doubt.
It's certainly incompatible with "not doubting."
The proper structure of a simple sentence is not a subject and an object. The proper structure of a simple sentence is a subject and a verb.
My sigmas stand for the Sum and the Standard Deviations. The 666 referred to by John is not my three sigmas. http://ro-jo-yo.hubpages.com/hub/666symbol
Like Socrates, "I know nothing" and I don't presume someone or thing else knows everything about something. I discovered there are many systems of mathematics with different rules and that the common system of arithmetic is just one such system. I discovered that intelligence is not additive.
When I was in fifth grade, I saw that there were different interpretations of what I read. I learned that because it is written in a book or a newspaper or spoken by an authority, it may not be the "truth." I remember Dewey being elected president was reported. I remember ulcers were caused by personal mental habits.
LTER,
Why can't they make rent, pay the dentist, doctor, school books, etc without two incomes?
One side is well known, and well discussed here on ZH.
It's the other side that gets less attention- living below (or at least within one's means), choosing to live where expenses are lower, where wages, supplemented with growing a garden, hunting, fishing and trapping supplement the income. There are so many things that can be done to supplent income, the list is unending.
This is nothing new- it is the way people lived for thousands of years. The post industrial age has left many lacking in willingness to take on the very things that will not only provide extra income, but bring families together by the experience of working together and seeing results.
The modern US is full of soft couch potato families playing video games, playing with IGadgets and watching TV while snacking on fast food and assorted junk food.
Self induced slow suicide, self-culling, they ride a conveyor belt to the meat grinder.
You are brainwashed. How much are braces versus minimum wage for a year, less rent, food, electricity, water...? Or shall the poor do without braces so mom can stay home? Are braces only for the wealthy when we as a society are more than capable of making them available to all but for Jamie Dimon having a yacht? Is Jamie's yacht more important to you than thousands of kids having braces? Why? What did he do for anyone other than himself? Is your absolute morality that Jamie Dimon should have yachts, private planes and mansions because he's a great predator? Who would advocate that morality? Moloch would be okay with that.
Since when are braces a necessity? People require food, clothing and shelter to survive. For thousands of years people did just fine without braces, and electricity for that matter. It is you and those who think like you who are truly brainwashed. You look at life through a very narrow lens, the “modern” age. This age is morphing faster than you are willing to keep up with. Very few ‘Merikans know what a necessity is. Mammon worshippers like Jamie Dimon and his ilk will have their judgment. Worthless paper is worthless, even if you possess billions or trillions of worthless pieces of paper.
You do not see what is coming. Next year will bring events that the majority will not be prepared for. The US Dollar Reserve Currency status will change radically. Along with that will come a paradigm shift in military power and along with it political power. All the yachts, bunkers, gold and silver in the world won't buy escape from well deserved judgment.
There are much more important things to prepare for, than not being able to afford braces and electricity, grasshopper.
People have done without basic medical care and running water and easily available food for most of human history. I guess you're okay with that too, so Jamie can have a jet and be judged later. If your God teaches us to accept these things ( and I think he looks like an Owl), I reject your God for being selfish and evil.
Whether I’m “okay” with that isn’t the issue. That is reality. I can’t change that, nor can you. But God can, and He will: “Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you. 2 Your wealth has rotted, and moths have eaten your clothes. 3 Your gold and silver are corroded. Their corrosion will testify against you and eat your flesh like fire. You have hoarded wealth in the last days. 4 Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty. 5 You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves in the day of slaughter.[a] 6 You have condemned and murdered the innocent one, who was not opposing you.” – James 5:1-6
You can talk all you want about rejecting God- days will come when you will find that you are running in a race for your life- and you may have missed the starting gun due to your close-mindedness.
You're a socialist parading as an idealist.
Now, hold on a second , LTER. Do you believe what you say is absolutely true?
Read good literature. Listen to good music. Learn advanced math with a slide rule.
Where would you find a slide rule,
but more to the point, why?
So when all the electricity and batteries in the world are gone, you can sit in the dark figuring out shit with a slide-rule.
If the world were literally beyond the point of using a solar powered calculator that you can buy at Walgreens for less than a pack of gum, a sliderule isn't going to be of much use.
You'd have to rebuild from somewhere.
How many people can do even basic math these days???
Dont even try asking someone how to calculate the volume of a sphere, you'll only get a funny look.
Calculus, Logarithms, what the fuck are they??
Humanity is in deep shit in so many ways.
Rebuild what with what, and in what protected area from the starving masses, if a solar powered calculator won't work? What, are you going to build a pyramid or something (built before sliderules, and with equal practical purpose)? Come on.
Seriously. I want concrete examples from you sliderule guys about what how they are supposed to be useful and beneficial in the Mad Max world where a solar powered calculator won't work.
How can you plan anything if you have no way of measuring things?
You drink 12 half-pint glasses of water a day - how big a cylindrical tank will cover you for a month?
Work it out and give me an answer.
Without using your solar powered calculator.
Seriously? Are you telling me we're going to store water in a tank of the exact size that answers your question in this Mad Max situation? Will your sliderule tell you how often it will rain to fill said tank? How did people ever survive without a sliderule?
I tried to buy a slide rule about 2 years ago, for the reasons outlined above. I couldn't find one online. They don't seem to exist any more.
So I settled for an abacus. Which taught me to use my fingers. Not joking, it's called "fingermath", a very useful tool to have when your solar-powered calculator gets wet and dies.
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I think your point is right. But I also think that just because I can use a calculator doesn't mean I shouldn't also know how to do long division or something. We don't want those skills to be lost as they may very well be in mad max world when jackass is hoarding all the calculators and will only trade for gold. Ok, that is a stupid premise but still, we shouldn't let knowledge wane because there is an easier way.
I'm gonna go buy a couple cases of solar powered calculators to stash away deep in the bunker. You guys got me convinced.
There's also a solar powered clock available. I think they call it an iSundial. So the money changers can keep track of their employees during the Mad Max phase.
In a 30 day Month you will drink 180 pints of water. Since there are 8 pints per gallon you can determine, quite easily, than you need a 22.5 gallon storage tank.
So do tell me if the diameter of the circle at the top of this cylindrical tank is 30 inches then how much height, in inches, does this tank need?
If you had given me the diameter of that tank I would have also computed the height. (There are 231 Cubic Inches per gallon)
But you asked an incomplete question. So I am asking that you complete your question with an answer...without a calculator.
You still have a small johnson. Or am I reading too much into your user name/ridiculous posts? No, I'm pretty sure I nailed it. It's okay. Modern society gives ribbons for trying. Nice try, "Tall Tom." You've "earned" a ribbon.
Are you drunk again?
Here I am demonstrating the ridiculousness of the logicalman posts by answering his lame questions...and correctly.
And you do not get it?
I got distracted by your earlier posts that were douche-filled. And I was night putting. With the Dean's daughter.
@ LetThemEatRand:
I'm not a slide-rule guy, but I agree with the comment:
A slide-rule is a tool. Nothing more.
The usefulness of teaching your kid(s) how to use tools properly (guns, farm tools, hand tools, garden tools, shop tools, measuring instruments, medical tools/devices) shouldn't even be subject to debate.
Would you rather your kids knew how to grow their own food, or knew how to play "that cool new game on Fartbook"?
"Teach a child HOW to think, not WHAT to think".
I would be learning how to use a gun, farm tool, hand tool, garden tool, shop tool, medical tool, etc., but these guys -- on the internet -- have convinced me that the key to survival is a sliderule*.
*And it's not because they are self-righteous older math guys who want to find relevance to their archane skills because they consider it a form of narcissistic elititism.
Volume of a Sphere?
Easy
V = 4 pi r3/ 3
What is a Logarithm?
Again easy.
It is an EXPONENT of the base.
e.g. log28 = 3 since 23 = 8
Generically written it is logbX = a where X = ba
A logarithm is always an EXPONENT.
What is Calculus? I will answer that esoterically. It is the Mathematics of creativity.
But here is the reason. X/0 is undefined in Algebra. If you divide by ZERO the entire Real Number system unravels at the seams.
However the limit was the greatest concept which allowed us to define that which was previously undefined. The Newton's ideation about the infinitesimal allowed us to peer deeper into reality than we had ever been able.
Giving a definition to something which had no definition, void and without form, is the essence of creativity. It is spoken, in the language of Mathematics, into existence.
Something like the creation of the Universe.
Now what makes you think that people will give me a funny look? When I describe this they sit, listen and learn because of the way that I approach it.
Now they might give you a funny look...
Can I has a slide rule, instead?
If you have to axe...
Only if you can add Logarithms.
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I enjoy your comments and follow them with interest,EatRand.Tanguam ex ungue leonem works well enough when forming opinions about the various Elites and Their Lackeys.When trying to understand the Poors-(FSA) and the 10 million Undocumented Immigrants-not so much.It seems to me that ZHers don't know any Poors or Illegal Immigrants,and ascribe to them nefarious motives that are way off the mark.I surely do dislike to see anyone imagining that the so called FSA is made up of 100% volounteers-I see only 10% at most happily without a job.The Illegals so fiercely blamed and maligned here are likewise mostly doing what it takes to survive,and would live in their home country were it possible to do so.As you stated,black and white thinking not only won't get us closer to solutions that permit all of us to do our best-it creates obstacles and hardheartedness that makes solutions impossible to imagine,let alone implement.Your levelheadedness is greatly appreciated.
.."you can sit in the dark figuring out shit with a slide-rule".
Got my little Pickett and ECL right here from high school, been using it for a straight edge, ungodly yellow.
yep still works!.. or for....where did the numbers go?
..man gettin' old sucks.
Yeah.... one of mine has turned a nasty yellow like the old German guy's teeth who lives next door to me. He must be 95 y/o and still plays the Horst Weasel song and struts about late at night. Claims to have a stash of gold fillings. Strange stuff in California
There must be beeelions of them around but eBay is a good source.
The experience of using a slip stick is like building a model with your hands. Hard to explain if you haven't used one. They're good to 3 places of accuracy which is pretty good for most things. If you need more accuracy, you can ask for some time on the Sperry-Univac at work.
I learned how to use a sliderule in junior high school, back when calculators were still pretty pricey. I remember thinking it was a complete waste of time, and over the last several decades I have been right.
A complete waste of time? I can see that. Kinda like reading some of your posts.
When's the last time you used a sliderule other than to prove how superior you are (while only proving the opposite)?
Sorry I asked;)
Kaiser, I for one am delighted you asked!
This has been one of my most productive parts of the day all due to your courage and intellect.
I have laughed heartily
XOXOXOXO
K
Get rid of the TV.
Get rid of the game consoles.
Give them chores.
Give them responsibility for something: a row of corn in the garden, a particular chicken in your coop, a flower garden, etc.
Do not put them on any selective seratonin reuptact inhibitors, eg. ritalan.
Homeschool.
The author is wrong to suggest that Muslims are NOT violent. Violence has been their norm for 14 centuries. Read the Koran if you have any questions as to why.
There are 55 million deaths directly attributable to US empire actions since WWII, so what exactly is your point?
And where's your proof for that number? Communist dictator Joseph Stalin's extremely brutal 30-year rule as absolute ruler of the Soviet Union featured so many atrocities, including purges, expulsions, forced displacements, imprisonment in labor camps, manufactured famines, torture and good old-fashioned acts of mass murder and massacres (not to mention World War II) that the complete toll of bloodshed will likely never be known. Estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million of his own people.
http://www.ibtimes.com/how-many-people-did-joseph-stalin-kill-1111789
I believe children should be kept away from religion. Then, as adults, they can choose none or choose their own.
Religion would disapper in a generation. There's a reason the children of christians become christions, and those of muslims muslims, and it's not that they're the chosen ones. Kids are brainwashed.
Step 3: Recognizing your own indoctrination and bullshit ideas so you don't pass them on. Its critical kids formulate their own ideas based on evidence rather then blindly adopt your own.
Speaking from experience, this is a HARD step to do.
Step 3: Teach them that food does not come from the grocery store. Make them help grow, trap or shoot their food. Make sure they know what is on their plate and how it got there.
step 3: profit.
How would Apple have a steady stream of unquestioning, compulsive consumers upgrading their phones every two years?
Do you hate capitalism?
Boy you're not kiddin. The folks who raise their kids best that I've seen completely ignore them.
Once they realize their role is to find their own damn entertainment then everything is fine.
Just don't end up in Israel, that's all.
Listen.
I don't mean to be racist but it is what it is. With that said I think you can figure out my comment.
You Americans, your melting pot, it's a two headed snake.
He did not refer to "that" at all, dipshit. No more than you should not make curry Slurpee's from unclean Ganges water.
Listen.
Maybe a reading comprehension course is in order for you. Consider it at least.
Don't let your steamboat mouth overload your rowboat ass.
Listen Spoil.
Did I hurt your feelings, insulting your American douchbag boyfriend like that?
Easy Ralph, he's sensitive.
(Diversity shit and all, he can say anything he wants but we gotta be careful.)
Yeah look what happened to Francis Sawyer!
When did ZH convert to 50% troll comments,
and why am I always the last to know?
Its a result of being embedded in Groundhog day, Kaiserhoff...
Listen.
Welcome to Hotel California.
LOL, curry slurpees from the ganges. That Knukles, is more disgusting than Hilliary's cunt at a Flyfest !!!
Listen Hulk.
Yea funny guy. Come'on, let's do this. Come'on panic-boys take your best shot. I'll fucking knock you into "Frontrunning 10/27/14" Bitchez!
I'm a curry fan myself Bangalore, but curried slurpees, in itself, is a horrific thought. Made with water from the ganges and you truly have a nightmarish drink !!!
But here's to an immune system in hyperdrive ya'll must have over their in India! God Bless ya man !!!
What do they do in India for Halloween?- floating a few more corpses isn't going to get much more than a yawn.
-the locals would move in to a haunted house.
I find it impossible to take seriously anyone who begins any statement with the condescending preamble: "Listen."
Listen flyboy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7m1aZTrz50
Lookout!