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"They Just Want The Money!" The IRS Can Now Seize Accounts On Suspicion Alone

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“How can this happen?” Ms. Hinders said in a recent interview. “Who takes your money before they prove that you’ve done anything wrong with it?”

The federal government does.

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The topic of civil asset forfeiture has been high on our agenda recently as federal 'agents' discover how to steal Americans' hard-earned cash with zero repurcussions , and decide unilaterally how much cash a 'common man' is allowed to carry; but as The NY Times reports, the escalation to The IRS brings a whole new world of possibilities with regard asset confiscation based on no actual crime being proved...

As The NY Times reports,

For almost 40 years, Carole Hinders has dished out Mexican specialties at her modest cash-only restaurant. For just as long, she deposited the earnings at a small bank branch a block away - until last year, when two tax agents knocked on her door and informed her that they had seized her checking account, almost $33,000.

 

The Internal Revenue Service agents did not accuse Ms. Hinders of money laundering or cheating on her taxes — in fact, she has not been charged with any crime. Instead, the money was seized solely because she had deposited less than $10,000 at a time, which they viewed as an attempt to avoid triggering a required government report.

Her money was seized under an increasingly controversial area of law known as civil asset forfeiture, which allows law enforcement agents to take property they suspect of being tied to crime even if no criminal charges are filed. Law enforcement agencies get to keep a share of whatever is forfeited.

Critics say this incentive has led to the creation of a law enforcement dragnet, with more than 100 multiagency task forces combing through bank reports, looking for bank accounts to seize.

Using a law designed to catch drug traffickers, racketeers and terrorists by tracking their cash, the government has gone after run-of-the-mill business owners and wage earners without so much as an allegation that they have committed serious crimes. The government can take the money without ever filing a criminal complaint, and the owners are left to prove they are innocent. Many give up.

“They’re going after people who are really not criminals,” said David Smith, a former federal prosecutor who is now a forfeiture expert and lawyer in Virginia. “They’re middle-class citizens who have never had any trouble with the law.”

 

On Thursday, in response to questions from The New York Times, the I.R.S. announced that it would curtail the practice, focusing instead on cases where the money is believed to have been acquired illegally or seizure is deemed justified by “exceptional circumstances.”

 

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But the Institute for Justice, a Washington-based public interest law firm that is seeking to reform civil forfeiture practices, analyzed structuring data from the I.R.S., which made 639 seizures in 2012, up from 114 in 2005. Only one in five was prosecuted as a criminal structuring case.

 

The practice has swept up dairy farmers in Maryland, an Army sergeant in Virginia saving for his children’s college education and Ms. Hinders, 67, who has borrowed money, strained her credit cards and taken out a second mortgage to keep her restaurant going.

The $10,000 loophole line in the sand...

Under the Bank Secrecy Act, banks and other financial institutions must report cash deposits greater than $10,000. But since many criminals are aware of that requirement, banks also are supposed to report any suspicious transactions, including deposit patterns below $10,000. Last year, banks filed more than 700,000 suspicious activity reports.Owners who are caught up in structuring cases often cannot afford to fight. The median amount seized by the I.R.S. was $34,000, according to the Institute for Justice analysis, while legal costs can easily mount to $20,000 or more.

 

There is nothing illegal about depositing less than $10,000cash unless it is done specifically to evade the reporting requirement. But often a mere bank statement is enough for investigators to obtain a seizure warrant. In one Long Island case, the police submitted almost a year’s worth of daily deposits by a business, ranging from $5,550 to $9,910. The officer wrote in his warrant affidavit that based on his training and experience, the pattern “is consistent with structuring.” The government seized $447,000 from the business, a cash-intensive candy and cigarette distributor that has been run by one family for 27 years.

 

read more here...

As one lawyer defending against the IRS' aggressive 'stealing' tactics concludes...

“I don’t think they’re really interested in anything,” Mr. Potashnik said of the prosecutors. “They just want the money.”

Welcome to the land of the free

 

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Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:03 | 5379740 dow jones 20000
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If you like your life savings...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:08 | 5379752 0b1knob
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People with money ARE the enemy.  People without money are Democratic voters.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:09 | 5379756 X.inf.capt
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DUH!

they just want the money...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:10 | 5379759 Latina Lover
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It is ALWAYS about the money!

As governments become more tyrannical, due to overreach and crumbling finances, everything becomes criminalized.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:14 | 5379766 summerof71
Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:28 | 5379809 NoDecaf
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We need a new republic. One that will bring these criminals to justice and hang them by the neck...

Anyone who was a victim of these crimes should be in the first jury pools.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:37 | 5379833 NoDebt
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When the original Patriot Act was passed over 10 years ago I thought "In 20-30 years that's going to lead to some serious corruption".

I was wrong.  It only took a little over 10 and I don't even recognize the place.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:42 | 5379843 General Decline
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NEVER DEPOSIT CASH AT A BANK. EVER.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:56 | 5379883 cnmcdee
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If you want to screw Uncle Sam <and> the courts - deposit your money onto your credit card - into a negative balance as it is legally recognized not as a credit but a debit and therefore cannot be seized.

 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:19 | 5379945 Bangalore Equit...
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Listen Americans, those subject to US Law,

The IRS needs your money. There is a need that "YOU" as a law abiding citizen "MUST" satisfy.

You "MUST" contribute to building Greater Israel. It is the "DUTY" of a true patriot.

Now back to work.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:52 | 5380022 Rememberweimar
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Israeli's are GODS. We must obey them. At all times. No matter what.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:29 | 5380107 Stackers
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Chase bank will only allow cash deposits of any size with a photo ID and will not allow cash deposits of any size by any other than the signed account holder.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:46 | 5380139 disabledvet
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What if I have a bazillion dollars?

Says right on the check..."one bazillion."

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:23 | 5380222 johngaltfla
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Argentina v2.0 on Steroids with a Stasi to enforce anything they want...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:46 | 5380285 Squid-puppets a...
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the crime is being middle class. That is offensive to TPTB. Middle classers are an affront to those working back to societies of slaves and slave owners only

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:48 | 5380289 NidStyles
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Oh gee, the same mentality that I was pointing out in the Hillary thread is displayed fully here as an end result.

 

This is what happens when you pay more attention to the names rather than the actions.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:44 | 5380433 TuesdayBen
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It is fact that bank employees - tellers, loan officers, etc - are trained as gubmint spys

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:50 | 5380452 MontgomeryScott
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SHUT UP. SHUT UP.

I am working Cape Race (OM).

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:05 | 5380507 Pickleton
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Every time you hear some conservative support the War on Drugs but whine about this bullshit, you should punch them in their fucking face.  This is their fault.  Stupid fucktards can yammer all day long about the stupidity of democrats (rightly so), but somehow fail to understand their own stupidity.

 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:50 | 5380673 Anusocracy
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Not quite.

The problem is anyone who supports the existence of government. It's not needed anymore.

Look in a mirror.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 23:10 | 5380994 Pickleton
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The problem is anyone who supports the existence of government

 

No, that's really extremist loon territory.  I'm rather Libertarian and support the very small, limited govt that the Founders envisioned.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 00:47 | 5381136 chumbawamba
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Why are you arguing about things that have nothign to do with anything?  The obvious solution is stop doing business with or through banks.

Problem solved.

Bank account free since 2012.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 01:41 | 5381202 12ToothAssassin
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They can just print more money but they want mine instead? That doesnt make any sense.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 03:02 | 5381236 goldsaver
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It does when you separate the layers of psycopaths. THe Banksters print all they want and use it to buy real assets. The politicians borrow all they wants and purchase power. The civil servants steal all they want and buy new cars, guns, office furniture, etc.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 12:09 | 5382496 Anusocracy
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Seriously? Loon?

The death count from government in the 20th century was around 400 million and I'm the loon?

How about insane savage death-loving moron as a name for you?

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 21:51 | 5384588 Ballin D
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"It is fact that bank employees - tellers, loan officers, etc - are trained as gubmint spys"

No kidding.  When a Bank in America gave me training on how to file SARs I laughed. I found 0 cases of 'suspicious activities' in my time there.  Fuckers really thought I was going to spy on Americans for the govt.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:43 | 5380434 MontgomeryScott
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Don't be an ass.

Comment on the STORY, instead.

IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY to begin with.

FUCK Hillary (well, I can't, and any real male in the entire world couldn't, either, because she's a greedy worn-out skanky whore bitch-slut). I guess it's up to YOU, Nid.

IT'S NOT YOUR MONEY!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjxHgBRWMhY

Welcome to 'Zero Hedge'. In a long enough timeline, everyone's chances of survival approach ZERO.

It's time to EMBRACE the REALITY.

8:25 through 8:32 ought to clear things up a bit for you, Nid.

Thanks for pointing out YOUR views on 'mentality', you arrogant fucker.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:35 | 5380253 Greenskeeper_Carl
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So if I walk into my bank and deposit 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollars, does that mean they will seize it?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:11 | 5380538 MontgomeryScott
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No, no, no...

If you deposit LESS than 100 trillion ZD, there is OBVIOIUS evidence of an attempt to hide your ILLEGAL sources of income.

It's all in the 'code'. I take it that you are not familiar with THE CODE, you poor lad.

IGNORANCE of the 'law' is NO EXCUSE!

If you walk into an airport in the CONUS and try to board a flight, does it mean that they will try to sieze your cock and balls and feel up your wife's tits and try to stick their fingers up your daughter's ass and vagina all at the same time? Is the Pope Catholic? Does a bear shit in the woods?

That shit is CODIFIED. SO LET IT BE WRITTEN. SO LET IT BE DONE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO_84C3fpuI

 

 

 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:55 | 5380308 falconflight
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And don't you forget it goy vermin.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 01:32 | 5381194 MSimon
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Raphael Mechoulam.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:56 | 5380026 Save_America1st
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It's not really about the money.  They don't need our money...they print as much of that shit for free out of thin air as they want every day.

No, this shit is purely about power and control.  It's about taking away freedom and liberty from the people and ruling over us as tyrannical sociopaths.  And there are plenty of willing douchebags who will work for the government mafia to do their bidding against the rest of us because they're losers who leach off of society.   

This type of story is just an example of the smaller battles within the war between us and them.  The war between liberty and tyranny.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:03 | 5380181 Christophe2
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Yep.  More than anything, they use these tactics to run independent, honest businesses into the ground.

The god-damned corporations can't actually compete with honestly run businesses, but with media and mind control TPTB have always been able to get away with stuff like this, on all sorts of levels.

Just think back to how Rockefeller screwed farmers by first finding oil on their land, then encouraging them to get in debt to build wells, then using his monopolies to refuse to transport their oil 'till the farmers went bankrupt, at which point R's men would buy the assets on the cheap.

This IRS gambit is just one of so many shafts they use to take what we manage to create, and to make sure decent people never accumulate enough wealth (power) that they would be able to perturb TPTB's monopolies.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:54 | 5380304 Yes_Questions
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+1.  The IRS's mandate is about confiscation of accumulated dollars before one can convert it to wealth, however meager.

 

Inflation plays its part as well.

 

The oligarchs cut workers and small business owner's off at the knees in this, and other ways.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 22:19 | 5380879 Christophe2
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Here's a recent example of the type of con used to bankrupt entrepreneurs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceSndNlghKw

The lady explains how she and her husband own the LUCRATIVE patent for putting probiotics in ice cream - so what does the biggest Canadian supermarket chain do?  They get them to take on huge debt based on promises of their stores carrying the couples' probiotic ice cream, only to renege at the last minute, bringing them to the edge of bankruptcy.  The fuckers at Loblaws did this to the couple TWICE, and when a lawsuit was finally filed for breach of contract, Loblaws conveniently destroyed key computers to hide evidence...

I've heard of lots of businesses ruined by Wallmart in the US using similar schemes.  People should realize that, by process of elimination, there is not a single billionaire in the US/Canada who isn't a sociopath, and their minions control all the key parts of their shitty corporations - engage in business with them at your own risk and peril!

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 05:58 | 5381370 barre-de-rire
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pls, stop eating red piles, you are scarying new comers.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 03:43 | 5381273 PT
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Second hand story:

Idealistic, over-eager, exactly-by-the-book-but-no-common-sense wants-to-make-a-name-for-himself cop starts work in a small country town.  Starts booking the locals for EVERY tiny little infraction - jay-walking, loitering, 5 ks per hour over the speed limit, etc.  The locals get pissed off, what to do?  They stop serving the cop and his wife.  "Sorry.  I can't sell you that.  It's reserved for someone else."  They can't buy a beer, they can't buy clothes, mechanic and tradies are always "booked out", they have to rely on welfare to eat.  Pretty soon cop and his wife just leave town.

It's probably hard to scale but it's something to ponder.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 05:05 | 5381326 boattrash
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PT, First hand story: Cops used to pull me over and take my beer (coldest in town, due to salted ice) at shift change, but back to topic, IRS can suck the wet end of my stick, I'd prefer that it be the Honorable Lois Lerner herself, after having her teeth kicked out.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 05:45 | 5381360 GCT
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PT My story is first hand because it happened to me!  I went to work and the IRS sent a letter of garnishment for 16,899.00 from my wages.  They had put liens on everything we owned and froze our bank accounts.  I could not do shit.  Anyways my friendly tax attorney I had to hire to fight the IRS cost 5 grand.  Their response was I owed them this money because my ex-wife sold the house we owned and I did not pay my share of the taxes.  Hell I did not even know she sold the fucking house.  We could not get any answers from the state IRS and myself, wife and tax attorey ended up in Memphis at an IRS hub to get the information.  This took like three months to get to this point. 

We get to Memphis and in my records is my quit claim deed and a check made out to my exwife.  Apparently they audited my file and discovered the check made out to her and decided I was to blame for some reason.  The auditor failed to fully check the records or so they said.  They lifted the liens and it took two years to get my money back.  Two years!  They put my wife and I thru hell for almost a year.  We got the money back with interest.  The reason I am typing this is because we were never notified or anything.  If my wife had not had her own separate accounts we would have been screwed big time and I think that was the IRS's intent.

I do pity anyone who deal with those assholes.  Thank goodness we were debt free or we would have lost our home.  The only payment we have.  The IRS could care less about us.  There were another 700 in my state alone that the IRS did this too.  Some lost it all and they could care less.  Even when the mistake was theirs.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:27 | 5380194 Dugald
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The fall of the Roman  American empire........

How come the strikethrough failed???

 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:48 | 5380290 Squid-puppets a...
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Hillary must be pleased: not only is the govt the only one hiring, but she is actively destroying smaill business to reinforce the impression that business doesnt create jobs

way to go hillary. You fucking DOLT!

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 23:34 | 5381033 InjectTheVenom
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you just hugely insulted all DOLTS 

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 03:49 | 5381278 PT
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Strike-through only works for special ZHers.  They can post pictures too.  Bit of a bummer for us riff-raff but I guess they have good reasons.  Saves a lot of memory when the riff-raff can't post pictures so I think that is a valid restriction, not sure about the strike-through though.  Either way, I'm happy to trust the Tylers' judgment in these particular matters.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:40 | 5380263 pgroup
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Disagree, to a degree.

You're right - they don't need the money. BUT

They need to deprive YOU of the money so you have less power and therefore cannot resist effectively. In that sense, they do need the money ... to be away from you.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:30 | 5380605 MontgomeryScott
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@ Save_America1st:

As a veteran of the Psychic Wars, I see some moducum of truth in your first statement.

"It's not really about the money.  They don't need our money...they print as much of that shit for free out of thin air as they want every day."

You'll come to realize that the control of money is the MEANS of the Power and the Control over the Masses that is the TOOL  that is used currently (if you live long enough to understand this).

CURRENTLY, it takes the form of the control of the sale and distribution of OIL (and the 'currency measurement' of the 'Petrodollar' derived therefrom).

Their NEXT moves come even NOW; along the lines of the control of the supply FRESH WATER, and even the AIR that you breathe.

Batshit crazy; my statement is. YUP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGKNaIXtBZQ

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 01:29 | 5381184 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Listen Americans, those subject to US Law,..."~

 

"Rule of Law? RULE OF LAW?!? We don't need no stinkin' Rule of Law!"

Signed,

Your friendly local IRS office

 

Seriously, is it any wonder few entrepreneurs want to open a new small business with the state of governmental lawlessness in America today? Why take the risk? Obama and the democrats, the corporatists and their cronies stack the deck against the little guy.

In California today it costs four times as much just to form an LLC than it does in neighboring Nevada. You can't sell at a local swap meet more than once every six months without getting a resellers' permit from the state. In my town, you even need a permit to hold a garage sale and don't even think about letting your kid have a lemonade stand. So I'll ask the question again.

Why take the risk?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:27 | 5380387 daveO
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What if the bank tries to steal it and closes the account? I could doing a few thousand that way.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:00 | 5380481 Trucker Glock
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"When the original Patriot Act was passed over 10 years ago I thought "In 20-30 years that's going to lead to some serious corruption".

I was wrong.  It only took a little over 10 and I don't even recognize the place."

Structuring laws predate Patriot Act.  Drug War bullshit.  Nothing new. 

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 12:40 | 5382655 I Drink Your Mi...
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This has nothing to do with the Patriot Act.

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS:_CIVIL_ASSET_FORFEITURE_REFORM_ACT_OF_...

 

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 03:27 | 5381265 PT
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NoDecaf:

Perhaps the time has come to stop paying taxes and stop paying the rent / mortgage.  Perhaps the townsfolk need to stand together and guard each other's property from the jackals.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:29 | 5379810 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I got audited back in 2013 due to how money was misreported to the Inferno Revenue Service. Now, I have to pay an accountant whatever to keep them off my back. What a load of crap!!!!

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:31 | 5380112 sleigher
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Is that the same reason they make cars so you cannot fix them yourself?  Supporting the industry?  Who are the best accountants?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:44 | 5380274 Greenskeeper_Carl
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With regard to how they make cars, that's part of it. Some of the reason why cars are made to be nearly impossible for most hobby mechanics(such as myself) to work on them is so that you feel like you have to take them to the stealership because they seem so difficult. The other reason is because the EPA pretty much runs the country, at least as far as cars are concerned. A lot of these overly complicated and seemingly backwards designs you see on new cars are done by vehicle manufacturers to try to save a tiny bit of weight, or get an extra 1% fuel economy so they can meet EPA mandates that they avg a certain MPG.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 21:47 | 5380812 sleigher
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I can do most things with a car, even got into EEPROM programming for my 87 grand national years ago.  Just for timing and fuel and such, nothing like the big guys.  I used to really enjoy it...  Now stuff wears out at exactly 80k miles, 100k miles like clock work.  Damn engineers and their factoring for alloys and wear patterns.  Maybe not that bad but it feels like it sometimes.  

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:33 | 5380118 disabledvet
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Probably a former IRS agent too.

When your monetizing the debt who isn't a tax evader?

I say pay for everything in pennies...and make sure they count it by hand before you leave.

And demand a receipt too!

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:48 | 5380145 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Junked you dv 'cause there is no way I work for the devil's service!!

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:39 | 5380426 SubjectivObject
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He's referring to your accountant.

Not you.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:40 | 5380430 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Sorry dv, made it an up arrow!

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:37 | 5379836 McCormick No. 9
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What sort of dumbfuck puts more money in a bank than he's willing to lose? If the IRS doesn't steal it, the bank will, or the Wall Street fucktards that robbed the bank will rob you, or someone else will steal the money.

Keep it somewhere safe, like in a tin can under a tree. Cash may appreciate or depreciate in value. Gold, silver ditto. But even if it is worth more or less tomorrow than it is today, you still have SOMETHING.

"Give your money to me, and I'll keep it safe for you!"

There is a sucker born every minute.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:44 | 5379853 guessagain
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There is that...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:36 | 5380121 PoliticalRefuge...
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Well to be honest most people here never thought they would have to hide valuables from those who are entrusted to protect us from thieves.

Simply put this is another conditioning exercise to see how far we will allow them to take us without some pushback..unfortunately it appears there is no point too far.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:26 | 5380380 willwork4food
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There is. They did this to me once, except just FROZE my account and allowed the state to steal what they believed (wrongly) what was owed them. A tax attorney aint cheap.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:09 | 5380185 August
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>>>Keep it somewhere safe, like in a tin can under a tree.

For those zh denizens who live in the Upper Tier of the United States, you can always run a USD checking account with a Canadian bank.  I did this for years and most payees had no problem with taking a check on a Canadian bank, as long as it was payable in USD.  The only major issues:  US government will not take such a check in payment of taxes, and your local US bank, where you keep a smallish sum for convenience, may put a two-week hold on any deposits made via a Canadian check.

Canada is no paradise of financial privacy, but Canadian banks don't suck IRS dick every morning before breakfast.  They wait until the weekend, or at least until Friday night.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:33 | 5380231 sylviasays
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"For those zh denizens who live in the Upper Tier of the United States, you can always run a USD checking account with a Canadian bank."

In 2010, the U.S. announced the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), a law billed as an attempt to catch wealthy Americans stashing their money in offshore accounts. Critics quickly pointed out, however, the law makes no distinction between those intentionally engaging in tax avoidance and “accidental Americans.” After lengthy negotiations, Canada eventually signed an agreement with the U.S. and passed its provisions into law in the most recent Budget Implementation Act.

On July 2, 2014, Canadian banks began formally operating as informants for the United States Internal Revenue Service. Financial institutions in Canada are now required to ask all new and existing clients opening a new account questions such as where they were born, and possibly where their parents were born. Those who indicate they have a connection to the U.S. will have their files sent to the Canada Revenue Agency — which will automatically pass them along to the IRS.

Canadian citizens who decline to answer the new set of questions could have their personal banking information passed along to Uncle Sam to determine if they are a “U.S. person.” Or, the bank could refuse to open an account for those who refuse to answer the questions.

All U.S. citizens and “resident aliens” (green card holders) are required to file U.S. taxes every year — regardless of where they live. Eritrea is the only other country in the world with a similar law.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/fatca-tax-deal-forces-canadian-banks-to-...

http://globalnews.ca/news/1504452/dual-citizens-sue-feds-over-fatca-deal...

http://world.time.com/2013/12/20/swiss-banks-tell-american-expats-to-emp...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:06 | 5380328 fiftybagger
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Canada is just 2 steps behind the US anyways.  Did you see the latest false flag bullcrap with next day legislation?  Go east young man.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 05:19 | 5381344 Clarabell
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Living in Canada today and watching the United States rapidly turn itself into a Fascist, totalitarian police state is probably what it was like living in Austria in the 1930's and watching the Nazis take over Germany. You knew it was only a matter of time. Your country was next!

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:48 | 5380667 pazmaker
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Local newspaper today had an article about a guy stop by police for a traffic violation. They thought he had drugs as alerted by K-9. No drugs found but they found $98,000. Took his money and gave him a traffic ticket and sent him on his way.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 00:44 | 5381131 August
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With that kind of folding money, you could buy a little ranchito in Galt's Gulch Chile. 

The guy was probably just on his way to his private plane, or submarine.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:35 | 5380120 EscapingProgress
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"But since many criminals are aware of that requirement, banks also are supposed to report any suspicious transactions, including deposit patterns below $10,000. Last year, banks filed more than 700,000 suspicious activity reports."

This is key. This lady's bank sold her out. I work at a retail bank. Reporting cash deposits or withdrawals under $10k is at the sole discretion of the savings dept. (or branch manager). Also, be aware that (at least at the bank I work for) now any cash withdrawals or deposits over $5k are getting reported automatically to avoid trouble with Big Brother.

Stay frosty out there.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:01 | 5380320 ajax
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REPEAL FATCA

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:29 | 5380395 RafterManFMJ
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^LOL

Man, thanks for the laugh! Just to be safe, I'm maintaining a two drink minimum.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:28 | 5380576 junction
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North Fork Bank was the bank that filed the suspicious activity report on then New York governor Spitzer for withdrawing amounts in cash from his personal North Fork account, all under $10,000.  At that time, 2006,  John A. Kanas, North Fork's chief executive, was in the process of selling the bank to Capital One for  $14.6 billion.  Kanas received $135 million for his North Fork restricted shares when the sale went through, plus $44 million to "gross up" (pay) his taxes due on his sale of North Fork shares.  The Feds did not question North Fork's decision to pay Kanas an additional $44 million, instead concentrating on Spitzer's withdrawal of a total of $15,000 cash over two months to pay for escort services.  This Times story shows that the Obama Justice Department is no different than a Mafia shakedown or protection racket in Chicago.  The government attorneys who carry out this racket should all be disbarred.  

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:50 | 5380665 Franktastic
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its not about the money, they want your labor.

think about it, they can print it up as needed or a couple of key strokes and its done, they have what they need.

this is an "in your face mind fuck"...sick.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:16 | 5380352 Stuck on Zero
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People with lots of money are Democrats.  People with some money are Republicans.  People with no money are Democrats.  People with some money and lots of sense are Libertarians.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 03:26 | 5381263 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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People with no money are Democrats.

People with a little money are Republicans

People with huge gobs of money are DemocRats...

 

...neo-DemocRats:  Soros. Buffett. Cuban. Gates. &etc.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:17 | 5380354 Stuck on Zero
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People with lots of money are Democrats.  People with some money are Republicans.  People with no money are Democrats.  People with some money and lots of sense are Libertarians.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:16 | 5380554 juangrande
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No. People with money who are connected are exempt (which is anybody with serious money). I laugh to myself thinking about all of the conservatives who thought seizure w/o due process was SUCH A GOOD IDEA when it was "drug dealers" in the 80's and 90's and the "terrists" in the 00's. Chickens always comehome to roost......

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 06:11 | 5381378 barre-de-rire
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you all wrong...

 

people with no money is ME.

people with more money than i got is others.

period.

 

whatever your left-right scheme, it is all way obsolete, both are xenophobians, both would kill for money,  this is all the same...  this is all about a center point of view consiting of yourself looking at the surrounding.

you play depending of the environment's movements. this always been and always be.

was severals method to achieve, no more today, just a single one, the 4eX. we are at the eXterminating phase.

 

 

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 03:23 | 5381261 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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This is why there's a 2nd A.  It's just a shame the small time agent has to pay the price...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:18 | 5379785 Bloppy
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Her mistake: trusting banks not to rat her out for actually earning money honestly!

 

Elsewhere: 8-year-old football player learns the hard way- don't score!

http://tinyurl.com/nnsgtel

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:04 | 5379896 Occams_Chainsaw
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Looks like some PC touchy-feely 'folks' need a beating.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:37 | 5379986 TeamDepends
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Remember in the old movies when the woman became hysterical, someone would slap her. Not punch, not kick, not beat with a crowbar, but an open handed slap across the cheek to bring her back down to earth. That is what these PC progressives resemble: Hysterical busybodies looking under every rock for something that offends them. Not a fan of gay marriage? Well, on top of being called some very foul names the PC mafia will try to ruin your career!
In their life there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking
-The Beatles

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:51 | 5380012 JLee2027
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Remember in the old movies when the woman became hysterical, someone would slap her. Not punch, not kick, not beat with a crowbar, but an open handed slap across the cheek to bring her back down to earth. 

Gave you a big green.

Remember when Ray Rice slapped his women after she hit him and spit on him? That's what Ray told everyone, it was a slap not a punch. Video is inconclusive, but she did bang her head on the railing and knock herself out.

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 10:09 | 5381944 PT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKF2VkCAriI

It was a different world back then.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:20 | 5380567 therover
Mon, 10/27/2014 - 02:50 | 5381232 JLee2027
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That was released in 1984. A few years later the money racket shakedown domestic violence laws were passed quickly in all 50 states as the Federal Government was now providing funding to catch, prosecute, and track "abusers". Those laws will soon be history in my opinion, as they are unaffordable in the long term and destructive of marriage and family.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:46 | 5380005 10mm
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Yeah, they will get it. Called being robbed,beat or killed.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:52 | 5380153 viedoklis_lv
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Russia, Aug 5 (Reuters) - Russia's government has approved a plan to use contributions to employees' privately-managed pension funds to plug budget holes for a second year running.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSL6N0QB4IW20140805?irpc=932

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:57 | 5380170 Winston Churchill
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Just as well we have a lockbox here in the US so Uncle Scam could never do that.

Oh wait......

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:22 | 5380369 petkovplamen
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How convinently for you to forget that Shrub Jr wanted to do JUST that in USA while he was President.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:15 | 5380350 Peelingtheonion
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PTI,

 

Just another sign of a crumbling empire.....

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:32 | 5380406 ZH Snob
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abandon all bank accounts, ye who enter here

 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 21:51 | 5380818 Gerb00
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What part of Cyprus did you not pay attention to? Anyone who keeps more than the bare minimum in the bank deserves to loooooose it all, they told you what they are going to do...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:02 | 5379741 Infinite QE
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The Israeli Revenue Service is another rogue element that needs to be purged.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:16 | 5379775 falconflight
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Did you even make it outta high school?  Seriously.  And what are you doing about these tyrannical practices.  Nothing, nothing at all.  You've probably not even contributed $1 USD EVER to the myriad of organizations that are really trying to fight the fight.  You certainly haven't conducted a III Percenter operation.  

Why don't you just start advertising for circumcised penises to diddle.  You are the quintessential counterpunch troll.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:21 | 5379791 Infinite QE
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Do I offend you because you are of the tribe that is pilfering the world and in this particular case are the ones running an unconstitutional theft operation? If so, go pound sand.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:26 | 5379806 falconflight
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You're a ignorant peasant, and that in itself offends me.  You are welcome to check out my circumcision anytime you fudge-packing rainbow warrior desires.  I read this article and my head wants to explode, I have to hold myself back, knowing my family will be punished.  So I contribute, write, call, and demand better.  I even try to fcking support real candidates running against the Establisment whores.  You do NOTHING, because you are a poser without meaning or value.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:33 | 5379814 Infinite QE
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Nonsense. You're a meaningless faggot who still doesn't get it. You may want to go back and get your GED or take some remedial English because you write like a 4th grader. You have no idea what the others on this forum are doing, nor do you know how uneducated, uninformed, unprepared you are in comparison, which is what drives your jealously. Now fuck off.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:40 | 5379841 pods
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So an organization that has this type of power becomes more palatable if those running it are just?

Like trying to clean up a pig pen by tossing in clean shirts.

pods

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 21:55 | 5380828 Paveway IV
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Damn, Pods. I just noticed you have a Hasidic jew with a Guy Fawkes facemask avatar, too. Whut up with that? 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:16 | 5380206 Tall Tom
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You hold back fearing that your family will be punished? LMAO

 

No you hold back because you are a pusillanimous pissmeyer who would rather LIVE IN FEAR as it is more comfortable...TO YOU and FOR YOU.

 

If you really gave a damn about your family then the gloves will come off and you would FIGHT FOR THEM.

 

That way they do not have to be terrorized by these bastards any longer.

 

But no...

 

So you have no fucking BALLS.

 

You believe that by supporting Candidates whom claim to be anti establishment that you are doing something useful? Now that is fucking laughable.

 

If you have not got it yet...THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS.

 

What are you willing to sacrifice?

 

Now I have sacrificed more than I should have in order to attempt to save fucking cowards as you. I am tiring of it. You are a fucking ingrate.

 

Are you willing to die for your principles? I am more than willing to die for mine..

 

You see what I publish. I publish weapons manufacture here on this site. How much will you wager that my name is on every single watch list in this Nation? (I'd be disappointed if it were not. Then I would not be doing my task.)

 

Then my writing can be considered "subversive". My rhetoric continually attacks the confidence in the Government and its issue of the toxic currency which poisons all.

 

I even publish my address...as a last Fuck You to them. I am not frightened by them. They lost that battle.

 

You value the system, you appreciate the system as you support the system.

 

I do not value a Military which teaches it soldiers to rape children.

 

But as for you? You support that system as you are just as evil as the pedophiles in the Pentagram...er...Pentagon. You pay taxes.  LOOK AT THIS VIDEO...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3dvoBhevOQ

 

Yeah. You support CHILD RAPE. Financial support is SUPPORT.

 

Here is a simple search. It is OLD NEWS...

 

https://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AoJ5K.phCw9CjpBfkvsEliebvZx4?p=Pentagon+Child+Pornography&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-270&fp=1

 

FIVE THOUSAND PEOPLE in the Pentagon were involved. Then the case was dropped?

 

But you will rather simply deny the facts as they are just too uncomfortable..

 

I doubt that you will even watch that video. I doubt you will click on that search link. Then the excuse, "Well I did not know." will not be available to you.

 

But it will NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH.

 

That soldier, bragging in that video, who was only instructed that NO CAMERAS were to be allowed after the Abu Ghirab scandal unfolded...THAT SOLDIER and nine of his compatriots are wandrering American Streets now and targeting American children as there is no cure for pedophila.

 

And then you declare that you really care about your family? That is fucking laughable. Now that is the epitome of hypocrisy. Is that in accordance with your "principles"? What are you? A SATANIST?

 

You cannot change this system as it is too corrupted.  You are only lying to yourself and justifying YOUR COMPLICITY if you assert that you can.

 

Your level of complicity and compliance is up to you. You are personally responsible for that.

 

Paying the IRS is paying for CHILD RAPE. But the next child may be your own.

 

This rhetoric is not as hyperbolic as you may believe. It can happen to your own just as well as it can happen to others. The odds are the same.

 

So are you going to grow a set of balls after a CHILD RAPE has happened to yours? What will it take for you to get a set of balls to change it?

 

(And that...that is just one small problem. I have a LITANY about which I can write.)

 

Fuck the NSA.

Fuck the IRS. They fund PEDOPHILES.

 

 

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:53 | 5380303 falconflight
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Hypocrite

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:26 | 5380384 Tall Tom
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Did you look at the links? No?

 

Did you watch that video? No?

 

You support the Beast. You support the Great Satan.

 

What a lame excuse, "I have a family..."!!!

 

You SUPPORT EVIL. Financial Support is SUPPORT.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:24 | 5380373 fiftybagger
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Holy cow.  Tall Tom indeed!

Don't worry Tom, you don't even wanna think about what Jesus is going to do to them :-)

 

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Hebrews 10 King James Bible

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 18 King James Bible

6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Matthew 18 King James Bible

13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Revelation 8 King James Bible

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:28 | 5380388 Tall Tom
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Ain't that the truth...

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 06:23 | 5381383 barre-de-rire
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fuck you with your fucking religion and stick your gods in your ass up the throat.

 

you fucking puritan fucked fucks.

 

always omg omg but what you do to change , nothin, not a fucking inch move.  now revert your religion shitspeech and go hang yourself a torch in the ass.

 

there are 2 plague on earth that touch humanity, religion and finance. while we can debate on physical/digitalized money system, you cant talk about heretical behaviors pretending putting faith in superior authority what their fucking brains cannot understand.

those weak who trust a god are same than those trusting their .gov and keep believe there is a difference between democrat an republicans, u are the same and as deadbrain fucked than those who behead others for a divine dicted moral. you not worth anybetter. 

" there will be future, happy faces, sunshine, love and pots, oura i love you all, love jesus, love god " FUUUUUUCK YOUUUUU there's not going to be any next dayn we are DYING.

 

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 06:35 | 5381395 nmewn
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Try decaf ;-)

Mon, 10/27/2014 - 11:23 | 5382309 Civilizedworm
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Now we see the violence inherent in the system. Atheists, ladies and gentlemen, very often exhibit the same type of fanaticism they accuse the religious of. Can religion program you? Yes. Can atheism? Well, lets read the above comment and form our own opinions ;)

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:08 | 5380528 Infinite QE
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Killer rant.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:57 | 5380310 CoolBeans
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Mom's calling you.  

Time to come up from the basement.  Dinner's ready.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:35 | 5380413 knukles
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That's right.  Get up here, now.  You've talked with your imaginary friends long enough.  It's Daddy's turn to surf for porn.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:21 | 5379793 falconflight
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Why don't you and the up arrow pussies take individual action to fight?  If you believe it is the Jooos, why havent' you paid a visit to the local Joooos anything or anyone, and take care of business?  The closest to 'lifting a finger' you and most of the illiterate pussies who actually think they've got it 'figured out' @ ZH is type this sophomoric drivel.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:25 | 5379801 chunga
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How do you type with your head buried in the sand?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:39 | 5379839 falconflight
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How is it that my head is in the sand?  Please elucidate...

There are damned few joooos  (a whole lot less than gov't employees, their families, gov't contractors, their families, Chamber of Commerce members, their families etc ad nauseaum), and if you have confirmed the nature of the demise of this Constitutional Republic, what are YOU and the rest of you Left Hand sniffers, CAIR rectum snooters, and Buchenwald Oven Operator Union members DOING about it?  What?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:48 | 5379865 Ralph Spoilsport
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Suppose some of us are doing just what you say? You want us to tell you about it when you work for them? Yeah, sure buddy.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:49 | 5380147 falconflight
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I would think you're a fool if you publicly revealed anything of such a nature.  Like I need to elicit jack from you when the federal government can peruse everything you've ever electronically posted or researched.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 21:51 | 5380820 COSMOS
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I just post all my comments on the internet as falconflight lol

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:55 | 5379880 chunga
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We've gone Galt and we're pissed off.

There isn't a whole lot that we can do that isn't super-extreme, so we're just keeping score.

For a long time I believed the hasbara shit but not anymore. If you can't see, or refuse to see, that dual citizens are BOTH domestic AND foreign enemies of the Constitution then you are being genuinely insincere.

See: Lois Lerner

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:23 | 5379951 falconflight
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Unless you're a producer, you ain't gone Galt, but I hear you.  As far as dual citizens, we're so far down the well, I can hardly believe you're saying it.  Socialism eschews national borders, at least theoretically.  All of Europe is Socialist, certainly Russia and China are Not politically liberal in the classical sense ), Israel is full of effing Socialists, The moslem nations are socialistic....never-mind that thing about how they hate the godless communists.  South America is nearly uniformly socialistic, as it Canada, and who can doubt the US oscillates between fascism and socialism for going on what 100 years?  It has only become far worse here to now we are an authoritarian, if not a totalitarian state.  40,000 laws passed by the various governments within the US during the past year?  40,000 laws.  On top of that are the implementing regulations that dictate every single facet of life, and you're worried about dual citizen (I guess you're referring to Jews).  Will the dual citizen Arabs in this country support your political position?  Or the dual citizens Brits, Canadians, or Mexicans?  

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 16:31 | 5379971 NoDecaf
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40,000 laws as you point out, and you think that change is going to come from the ballot box?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:37 | 5380260 Tall Tom
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Fascism is SOCIALISM. It was not called the National SOCIALIST Party (NAZI) by accident.

 

Spain is still socialist. (And you can see what Franco did and where that got them...)

 

Mussolini's influence still has not left Italy's conscousness as it is still Socialist.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:31 | 5380331 nmewn
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So why exactly is Falcon being junked here?

Is it because no one can understand that someone can be Jewish AND a free market conservative or believe that all men are created equal and have inalienable rights? I don't know, like Levin or Gene Simmons?

He's right, socialists at the levers of government and law functions ARE THE PROBLEM and they come in Catholic shades, Protestant shades, atheist shades...all manner of shades.

/////

Bring it on junker, I'll strip you fucking bare and make you beg for the state to send someone to your aid.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:36 | 5380403 Tall Tom
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No. It is not the socialists at the levers of Government which is the problem.

 

It is the Government itself which is the problem.

 

There is no "fixing it".

 

Corrupt people have been gaming it. They have too much to lose. They support it so they may profit without any regard to the evil and suffering which it brings upon many others.

 

Do you support it or have you opted out? Financial support is SUPPORT.

 

The IRS is the evil beast which collects revenues to continue it. They are nothing but a monster.

 

I did not junk you btw...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:41 | 5380429 nmewn
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You are no coward, you're not the one I'm looking for.

However, what you fail to realize is many people want government, many more than you or I. If it is a non-negotiable fact of life what is the problem with keeping it to the absolute minimum so everyone doesn't suffer equally from it?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:54 | 5380462 Tall Tom
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That is what is crazy. Why will people opt for enslavement? Why will people pay to be abused?

 

That is my problem with falconflight as he wants to save the beast.

 

He went off on another stating that he did not have principles and was not working for that which he believes.

 

Then he wrote about voting for some magical person who will make things alright.

 

It just cannot happen. There is no saving it.

 

So I harshly unloaded.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:14 | 5380547 nmewn
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We're all pissed, I understand.

I don't need government nor do most people but I realize many do. We can't make them be what they're not, however we still have to live with them unless we start butchering them to get what we want.

Which makes us what we abhor the most and what we fight long term against.

Although seeing a few rotting corpses of the correct people swinging from ropes does have some social justice appeal ;-)

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:40 | 5380428 knukles
Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:46 | 5380442 nmewn
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lol...no, the one from Kiss ;-)

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 21:59 | 5380842 Paveway IV
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Don't be fooled.

They're one in the same. Have you ever seen both in the same place at the same time? 

I thought so!

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 22:15 | 5380873 nmewn
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My Simmons guy can kick mean ole knuks Simmons guys ass anyday of the week and not even break a sweat!

So...so...so there ;-)

(Unicorns & rainbow warriors forever...lol)

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:09 | 5380063 falconflight
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You said "super extreme."  I remember a 1964 Presidential nominee has been quoted as saying extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice, and moderation in the face a tyranny is no virtue.  He (Me thinks he was one of those Jooos) was trounced in that election by a party that had spent 100 years race baiting whites, flaunting the Constitution to deny blacks their birthright, and was pivoting that very year to race bait blacks ever since.  Who defended the Constitution after those post War Between the States Amendments were passed?  No one.  30% of Americans when polled can't even name the nation from which we gained our independence. BTW, a certain demographic fails that question by 40% when polled.

There is no great awakening to anticipate if it hadn't already happened.  I am NOT advocating any one violently insist that their rights be recognized, but the genesis of this nation was the treasonous violent overthrow of a "legally" constituted government.  George Washington, one of the absolute most wealthy Colonists put it all on the line.  He committed treason, as did every signatory to the Declaration of Independence.  Their property was confiscated, destroyed, and/or they and their families were imprisoned and some were hanged.  Who here now wouldn't consider preferring King George III over this government?  I guess they were pretty extreme folks.  So my bottom line is how much is your Liberty worth.  I'd say pithiful little since we aren't willing to fight for those God given rights.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:28 | 5380097 CunnyFunt
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It was, following Cicero, "moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

AuH2O's mother was not Jewish, so, per their criteria, neither was he.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:45 | 5380136 falconflight
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There's been many renditions of the same principle

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 18:40 | 5380267 Tall Tom
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Yet you ridicule it while knowing that?

 

Isn't that disingenuous?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 23:05 | 5380409 CunnyFunt
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Yet, there was no such rendering by Goldwater, to whom you attribute the remark. Unless you can cite a primary source, your credibility is lacking. My source is the August, 1964, edition of Vital Speeches of the Day.

 

Here's some video documentation, also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Hxpu4fUJyc 

 

Barry Morris Goldwater was among the last of those in public life who can genuinely call themselves an American.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:29 | 5379807 Infinite QE
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We are taking action dumbass. Spreading information, informing others of the heist that you and your ancestors have propagated on the world stage is part of it. If armed action is brought on by you and your relatives Bloomberg, Feinstein and others, you'd best be aware that your asses will be kicked from one end of this country to the other. THAT is why there is 100% focus on gun confiscation because people are waking up, know who the enemy is and are waiting and preparing for the purge that is coming.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:29 | 5379819 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Ignore the paid troll. Go to hell troll.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:38 | 5379837 Infinite QE
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Wow. That was deep. Drank too much last night?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 15:41 | 5379842 McCormick No. 9
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I'm sorry. Which one is the troll?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 17:36 | 5380055 Hulk
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If you can't tell who the troll is, then it is you !!!

/couldn't resist...

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:00 | 5380318 e_goldstein
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^ winner

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:29 | 5380392 nmewn
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Its usualy the one who brings in ethnicity or religion into what should be a debate about the abuse of the state.

Regarding that, how is it that when we owe the state, penalties, fines and interest is charged? When it owes us, we accrue nothing but the principle ;-)

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:46 | 5380439 Tall Tom
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Unfortunately it is organized religion which has been the ones responsible for the levy of taxes in the first place.

 

Even in Jesus' time the moneychangers were in the temple. That was the only account where Jesus became extremely angry. He took a bullwhip, you know?

 

The Roman Catholic Church has been involved in fleecing the plebes since the time of Constantine with State Sponsorship.

 

So just how are you to ignore this when writing about State Abuses when the Organized Religious institutions are neck deep in this shit?

 

That is just not reasonable. (Again I did not junk you.)

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:02 | 5380492 nmewn
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This government was set up outside of the Church of England (and Sharia I might add). They recognized the needs of the soul are different from the needs of the state and are inherently in conflict.

Because its been bastardized by the few (Jews, Christians and Socialists in general) does not negate that it was a great experiment in governance.

If the Republic is to fall, let it be known why it fell. It fell from the clawing masses who asked of it through political means (inherently flawed) what can never be given and found it easier later to actually demand from it, what it could never ever possibly provide.

All overseen by the self righteous who eagerly say whatever anyone wants to hear in order to line their own pockets and accumulate power to themselves.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:38 | 5380634 Tall Tom
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I agree that it was a Grand Experiment.

 

But "the self righteous who eagerly say whatever..." are not actually chosen by the "clawing masses".

 

Currently there is a Shadow Government whom provides "choices" to the "clawing masses"

 

Whom are the people running this "Shadow Government", the Oligarchs?

 

Are they, themselves, the offspring of the same Religious leaders and oligarchs that we shed blood upon the fields of America in the order to free ourselves initially?

 

The Anglican Church, which ruled over England at the time, was Protestant and at odds with the Vatican.

 

Wars between Spain and England happened because of the PRETENSE of that division.

 

(Yes they used the same Red Team/Blue Team paradigm of control back in that day too. Same game...different era.)

 

How can you separate it? The Wars, of course, were over Natural Resources, and were fueled by Vatican Money. (ALL WARS ARE ABOUT ECONOMY.) 

 

Even the first banks emerged as a result of the Crusades against the Muslim hordes centuries earlier. (Again a Religious PRETENSE was used as an excuse for empire building.)

 

Can you see that the Organized Religion, race and politics is deeply intertwined and cannot easily be differentiated?

 

Writing about differentiation lead to the point that most Mathematical Functions have no solution. Reality is not different and it is impossible, most of the time, to differentiate.

 

You know?

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 21:27 | 5380778 forexskin
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oh irish tom, if i only had your energy tonight, but alas, i'm in for a heady topper and a woodchuck, and quite happy to watch you swing. not sure why nwemn is challenging the existence of the zog or what it does, but whatever.

i'll have my swing another day, when the kids don't need tucking and the wife don't need...

carry on.

;)

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 21:56 | 5380831 nmewn
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Well, thats a lot to digest but I'll hit on some points.

"Whom are the people running this "Shadow Government", the Oligarchs? - Yes. "Are they, themselves, the offspring of the same Religious leaders and oligarchs that we shed blood upon the fields of America in the order to free ourselves initially? - Yes and no in my opinion, oligarchs don't really care about religion or culture or race, they are consumed with only the lust for power and money.

"The Anglican Church, which ruled over England at the time, was Protestant and at odds with the Vatican." - Yes but only "protestant" in the narrowest sense of the word, its still Catholic as far as I'm concerned, just a different "pope" without Vatican or Brtish support, different things.

"Even the first banks emerged as a result of the Crusades against the Muslim hordes centuries earlier. (Again a Religious PRETENSE was used as an excuse for empire building.)"

The Crusades were of course fought for religious liberty after Islamics conquered what was never theirs. Brutality begets brutality, we should understand this before we embark on it and again, as long as we're all on the same page, no harm no foul and no whining. There were a few Arabs-Turks-Persians who understood that what was, can never be wiped out and were accomodating to other faiths but that was few and far between and destroying Christian churches has a way of putting people off as to true motives of the Islamic "conquerers" before the Crusaders...lol.

"Writing about differentiation lead to the point that most Mathematical Functions have no solution. Reality is not different and it is impossible, most of the time, to differentiate."

Reality is different, all things are not just mathematical equations easily understood by logic. Many things are separate from reason or logic. Why is one flower appealing & considered beautiful when another is not? Its just preference, no logic or reason at all.

Unless its an imposed preference, then its illogical ;-)

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 19:49 | 5380447 Infinite QE
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Some points of fact for those in the back of the class:

1. Central Banks are private enterprises owned by those who have Israeli citizenship. Take Rothschild for one.

2. IRS collects money, which as Ronald Reagan discovered during a study he commissioned, none of which goes to fund the federal government but instead goes to pay interest on the debt, created by #1.

3. So, if one follows along, the IRS is simply an agent of the Israeli citizens who own the fraudulent fiat system.

Fact. Not about ethnicity or religion. Simple, follow the logic, and money trail.

Sun, 10/26/2014 - 20:28 | 5380595 nmewn
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You left out the fact that you can be enslaved by what you cannot afford. This is what socialists don't understand or leave out of the equation.

The Fed is not just a one-way street, by law (that would be politicians, elected by YOU, the people) can give everyone what they most desire & want, right up to the brink of collapse.

Everyone thinks I'm crazy when I say the Fed is a construct of the elites, for the elites. War AND welfare, you cannot have one without the other on this scale, the voters won't allow it and those you vote for demand it from you.

Good luck with all that ;-)

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