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In Historic Shift, NATO-Member Poland Is Moving Thousands Of Troops To Its Eastern Border
In the first sign that, just in time for winter, the tentative European jawboning alliance against Russia is collapsing (since the "costs", sanctions and other economic means inflicted upon the Kremlin ended up backfiring and pushing Europe into a triple-dip recession instead), earlier today Poland announced that it will move thousands of troops toward its eastern borders, i.e., Ukraine, in what AP dubbed a "historic realignment of a military structure built in the Cold War."
Why is NATO-member Poland doing something which will clearly only send antagonizing signals to Putin, who previously has made it quite clear that any NATO expansion via the Polish corridor will be met with an appropriate response? Not surprisingly, defense minister Tomasz Siemoniak said the troops are needed in the east because of the conflict in neighboring Ukraine.
"The geopolitical situation has changed, we have the biggest crisis of security since the Cold War and we must draw conclusions from that," Siemoniak said.
If indeed Poland is going through with this military reallocation, it is the most serious military signal yet to evolve out of the Ukraine civil war, because for the first time there is more than merely hollow rhetoric and empty threats: this time one NATO member is strategically, not tactically, shifting its power focus in a way that the Kremlin will have no choice but to view the move as a threat, and will in turn have to respond in kind.
The Polish defense minister added that at least three military bases in the east will see their populations increase from the current 30 percent of capacity to almost 90 percent by 2017, and that more military hardware will be moved to those bases as well.
He said it was not some "nervous or radical move" but that because of this "situation of threat we would like those units in the east of Poland to be more efficient."
Although Poland joined NATO in 1999, most of Poland's 120,000-member army is based along the country's western border, as a relic of its former status as a Soviet Bloc member.
The units in the east, like the air defense unit in Siedlce, have only 30 percent of jobs filled in line with a plan that calls for 100 percent of troops "only in the case of war."
As a reminder, here is what happened the last Russia felt NATO, and Poland, were stretching a little too close to its borders in December 2013, just months before the Ukraine conflict escalated out of control with the assistance of Victoria Nuland et al.
"Russia will deploy Iskander missile systems in its enclave in Kaliningrad to neutralize, if necessary, the anti-ballistic missile system in Europe."
- Dmitry Medvedev, former Russian president, November 2008 in his first presidential address to the Russian people
2013 was a year when Europe tried to reallign its primary source of natgas energy, from Gazpromia to Qatar, and failed. More importantly, it was a year in which Russia's Vladimir Putin undisputedly won every foreign relations conflict that involved Russian national interests, to the sheer humiliation of both John Kerry and Francois Hollande. However, it seems the former KGB spy had a Plan B in case things escalated out of control, one that fits with what we wrote a few days ago when we reported that "Russia casually announces it will use nukes if attacked." Namely, as Bloomberg reports citing Bild, Russia quietly stationed a double-digit number of SS-26 Stone, aka Iskander, tactical, nuclear-capable short-range missiles near the Polish border in a dramatic escalation to merely verbal threats issued as recently as a year ago.
The range of the Iskander rockets:
From Bloomberg:
- Russia has stationed missiles with a range of about 500 kilometers in its Kaliningrad enclave and along its border with the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Germany’s Bild-Zeitung reports, citing defense officials it didn’t identify.
- Satellite images show a “double-digit” amount of mobile units identified as SS-26 Stone in NATO code
- Missiles were stationed within the past 12 months
- SS-26 can carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads
In other words, Russia quietly has come through on its threat issued in April 2012, when it warned it would deploy Iskander missiles that could target US missile defense systems in Poland. From RIA at the time:
Moscow reiterated on Tuesday it may deploy Iskander theater ballistic missiles in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad that will be capable of effectively engaging elements of the U.S. missile defense system in Poland.
NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea, at a summit in Lisbon, Portugal, in 2010.
The missile defense system in Poland does not jeopardize Russia’s nuclear forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said.
“However, if it is modernized…it could affect our nuclear capability and in that case a political decision may be made to deploy Iskander systems in the Kaliningrad region,” he said in an interview with RT television.
“But that will be a political decision,” he stressed. “So far there is no such need.”
We anticipate that Russian retaliation this time will be roughly along the abovementioned, nuclear lines.
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Oh there will be costs... COSTS, I say!
costs to the soldiers and people who get in the way...
to the bankers and the elite...not so much.
and very much doubt TPTB are going to freeze this winter..
Fucking Polacks need to give Ost-Preußen back to Germany. Nazis in West Ukraine and dumb dumb dictators in Belarus need to give back the former Polish Eastern Kingdoms back to Poland.
Christ, why did Truman, Churchill and Stalin use Ray Charles to draw the maps?
Shouldn't the maps be updated by showing Crimea not part of Ukraine?
Yeup.
I bet you this isn't a Tyler map.
NATO slow buildup or a jim willie surprise switcharoo a couple years down? Germany, what say you?
Did you hear about the Polish military private who was injured blowing up a tank?
He burnt his lips on the exhaust!
Under the guise of a heightened posture against Russia, Poland is also likely fortifying their border against an influx of economic refugees fleeing the Ukraine. The last thing Poland wants are hundreds of thousands of hungry Ukies overloading their social services.
Hey TYLER:
Poland is also building a $40 billion anti-missile/aircraft system & has already had an order to buy 40 JASSM missiles from the U.S. - these missiles alone have forced Russia to move one of its air force bases in Belarus, further east - away from the Polish border. Poland also has a liquid natural gas maritime import terminal which comes online in 2015, and there are already plans to expand it.
So UP YOURS TYLER! You fact ommitting bastard!
I guess people like you never learned history - but are first to condemn Poland - which has more than enough rightful cause. Lech Walesa also said Poland should acquire nukes. It's very hypocritical of this website to say "stay out of foreign wars" yet justify Russian intervention in Polish internal affairs. Chew on that...this site is almost as uncredible as main stream media - that's how far tylers have fallen.
Try to write something other than a shit article.
Channeling Tylers:
go back to reading Slate. Fuck you.
Here is what Lech Walesa did actually say. There is not way that Poland is going to trigger WW3. Forget it.
Arming Ukraine could lead to nuclear war: Lech Walesahttp://news.yahoo.com/arming-ukraine-could-lead-nuclear-war-lech-walesa-...
Must be orgasmic to get away with such a diarrhea of drivel.
Paul Craig Roberts -- Vladimir Putin is the Moral Leader of the World
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/10/25/vladimir-putin-leader-moral-w...
The Syndicate has there intentions set on making Russia, et al, knuckle under.
http://journal-neo.org/2014/10/27/gold-or-gunfire-hedging-against-the-co...
Walter Whi, err William White says collapse end of 2014 or 2015. They got us by the balls.
I don't buy it. I've been on ZH (and then the Telegraph before that -- before they banned me) and I could provide you with a minagre of articles saying the end of the financial world was in 2010,11,12,13 and 14.
I give up predicting it -- as there are no limits to what they will do to keep it together. What I do know -- is its final bang (the Battle of the Buldge for the current system) will be equally as surprising as the BotB was.
Good post. The racket is on borrowed time, held together with baling wire and chewing gum. It all seems so slow as we meander from day to day, yet the rate of change is accelerating if you step back and think about all that's happened over the last few years, and like most other big changes in history, the convergence of accelerating forces will be more clear in retrospect. The final SHTF event will unfold rapidly, when it finally comes.
This move by Poland seems very poorly timed, and inconsiderate of consequences and ripple effects and reactions. Someone has been threatened and/or bribed and/or never gave a shit to begin with. The implicit message is: "Screw you; I'm covering my own ass." If I was a neighbor, I would find this alienating.
"NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea..."
Humor...
Are the Poles bringing their horses for the calvary charge? Or are the going to charge inside their VW Golfs?
Leopard 2A5s, bitch.
Still Germany's little biatches I see. Sixty some odd million poles and they have no impressive manufacturing products of their own for the battlefield or marketplace. Pathetic little people. Compare now with the manufacturing prowess of Sweden at 8 million people. Sucks to be a POLLACK. I am sure they are good at keeping the toilets inside those Leopards clean though lol.
Sweden also uses 2A5s. What an attention seeking fail - who gives a fuck about sweden.
BOFORS, the gold standard in 40mm
I don't think I would go as far as Roberts but what's interesting is the way the west portrays Putin as this hot headed brute who is similiar to Genghis Khan. However, they keep provoking him and so far nothing- they can't get that war started no matter how hard they try. Putin just continues to play chess. No doubt Russia is being hurt financially but so is EU. I think the west will wake up one day and realize what a fucking mess they have made but it will be too late.Putin will want to extract revenge. Such a mess the neoclowns have created
Take the time - if you haven't already - to read the text of Putin's speech attached to Robert's article. Russia is in no way acting aggressive nor expansionary. He even makes the point that the Western press can say black is white/white is black, and get away with it virtually unchallenged.
Western press is like a Greenspan speech, only worse, because you could at least glean something from his choice of themes. Nowadays 90% of what you're told is horseshit.
You're right. Everybody here should study Putin's speech.
You think anyone in Russia has a better press?
Yah -- They don't seem as bad as ours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
The U.S. is the 3am closing fat chick, wakes up with a sore ass, cleaned out pantry, sink full of dirty dishes and shit stains on the white curtains.
"...shit stains on the white curtains." WTF?
You're just hanging out with the tame crowd. All the cool parties end like that.
"Paul Craig Roberts -- Vladimir Putin is the Moral Leader of the World"
Yeah. Like Netanyahu is, like George W. Bush was. etc etc etc.
Check your history and your facts.
Putin doesn't even come close to those two clowns.
Most don't even look the facts.
I still maintain that when Russia and Poland go at it, Russia only takes up to the former Ost-Preußen borders -- give it back to Germany as a sign of good faith to the West only if it remains a DMZ.
Seems OK
I need research that
There won't be a simple 'go at it'.
Depending on whether said "go at it" event occur before or after the USD dies.
Good point. USD death de facto has already begun as an offshore event. Anglo influence is evaporating overseas FIRST. So if the psychopaths plan some sort of dollar-defending invasion / occupation / liberation / whatever, it needs to happen while dollar-denominated debt is still able to be used to finance sustained military action. Otherwise, the end is fait d'accompli. Really, that would be the least immoral course. Negotiations behind closed doors likely revolve around TIMING...
Taking the thread further, the outcome is already given, so the incursions and proxy wars already underway are being tolerated / permitted / sanctioned / enabled by both sides: housecleaning. Nobody in their right mind wants a big destructive war, with armaments and military capability exhausted and no hope of rebuilding. We are entering a truly long, LONG depression...
"I still maintain that when Russia and Poland go at it, Russia only takes up to the former Ost-Preußen borders -- give it back to Germany as a sign of good faith to the West only if it remains a DMZ."
Borders are illusions.
The last time Russia marched into Prussia and eastern Germany after WWII, Stalin's red communist army committed an estimated 2 million rapes against defenceless women, girls and even elderly ladies. Stalin explicitly condoned rape as a method of rewarding the soldiers and terrorising German civilians.
Petty communist dictators are not known for their "good faith" actions.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080493/Stalins-army-rapists-The-brutal-war-crime-Russia-Germany-tried-ignore.html#ixzz3HNgLr2S8
Putin isn't a Commie dictator.
"Putin isn't a Commie dictator."
Not a commie dictator?
Well, Putin was a KGB colonel in the old communist Soviet Union.
How about a tyrant with expansionist aspirations who silences anyone who dares to disagree with him?
Emboldened by the national euphoria over the annexation of Crimea, Putin has moved against the few remaining critical voices in Russia and further neutered the Russian news media....
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2014/04/putin_leverages_his_soaring_p...
Just consider if theses voices are organic opposition or CIA plants. I have no knowledge directly. It makes sense to me in light of the color revolutions to remove the CIA owned voices in the media. It is a move I would expect from a foreign policy master.
Quite a delusional appraisal.
ignorant post
media dumb you down much?
better worry about your own country
Thats fine with me.
I have no problems with Putin expanding.
Who Stole the Kishka?
That would be the usual suspects - for over 600 years now.
Go Poland!
[No worries ... Victoria Nuland has your back.]
It was
Frank Yankovichttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg8BT9bVE7s
A Jr. Tyler in training.
that russian submarine from last week that finland was looking for. where did it go? and whats new on the playground.
Think you might mean the Swedes.
Sweden...they gave up search
now don't want talk about it...
You can prove that was a Russian sub? The swedes couldn't. You must be one fucking a genius of super sleuth.
"Shouldn't the maps be updated by showing Crimea not part of Ukraine?"
Ask Putin to do it, that is if he's not too busy showing off his sagging man-tiitties riding bare-back on a Mongolian Stallion, or practicing his archery skills off in some "Eastern" plain ...
You assholes are constantly harping on about Obama and golf?
Why do you think Poland is deploying toward its Eastern border? To protect its fucking strawberry fields against an overflow of Russian strawberry jam products?
Fuck you idiots.
Poland is protecting it's investment in the Ukrainian Nazis. They have kicked a lot of gear and advisors to supporting the fascist brethren. The move east makes sense.
I really want to see the Polacks pay a handsome retribution for their support and direct involvement in Kiev coup d'état, as much as the Nudelman, Pyatt and other Neoclowns.
As about those Nazis and fascists, they simply just need to be cleaned up, they're just dirt to the humanity...
When has Ray Charles not served as Royal Cartographer?
I sat down to answer this with a quick little "blah fuck you" response.
After thinking for quite a while, I cannot think of a single country that matters (take that you Berkely School of Sociology fucks) -- who hasn't either 1) benefitted from Ray Charles drawing borders or been on the losing end.
The closest I could come was Norway.
tut, tut, tut, the Russian Duma has approved the Act of Annexation of Crimea, but very few sovereigns have recognized this annexation, and thus making Tyler's map the official/standard map
further, I remember how I used for months to urge ZH readers to look at Poland in this special and very wierd conflict with Russia. and all Easterners including Finland agree with Poland on many, many points
Ghordo --
Perception is reality.
until reality becomes perception again, like a dog chasing it's tail and giving it a quick bite, from time to time
Like Cameron having a huge spy apparatus looking into all kind of things except in the other Five Eyes countries but being all huffed and puffed and surprised about an ancient EU GDP/membership fee calculation that costs the UK one billion for the pleasure to claim a higher, prostitution-and-drugs-including GDP
yet you, my friend, are requesting ancient lands back from Poland. this is criminal, too, in many, many ways, not all in a judicial sense. what do you want, a German/Russian partition of Poland? Again? Are you terminally bored out of your skull for asking for WOAR?
seriously, please do note that all those hilarious "Germans invading Poland" jokes aren't funny, on this continent. just-nothing-to-joke-about. Poles aren't cartoon figures. They are a very complex People, with it's own Language and ancient customs and history. An Important Nation In Europe. Do Not Poke Poland, as little as you should Not Poke The Bear
Ghordo -
You are a strange an interesting person. You say you are Austrian, but you write like a von Mises fan that also drank the self-loathing kool-aide many SPD, die Grüne, die Linke voters. I never know what to expect from you.
No, but 1/3rd of Poland was, for 650 years German speaking. The archeticture there is a mixture of Prussian, Soviet and lots of glass and alumnium. The property theft of Germans by the soviets is one of the largest thefts of anything in the world ever, which has never been restored.
Jokes are jokes. They are there, because they make us laugh when we all know the world is more concerned with Fußball or Kim Kardashian than the impending end of the financial world. Jokes that poke fun at groups and nationalities are funny because, they say things, that are based, at least a little in fact -- that due to PC culture we cannot say. They are funny because they are based in fact. Just like there is a running joke in the Fatherland here that Österreich ist nur den größter Bundesstaat Deutschlands -- is Austria just a German state? Nope. Its its own country. Do however the Austrians share more with the Germans and history (especially the Bavarians) than most countries do with their neighbors? Absolutely. Don't get butt hurt about anyone. When you get upset that people pick on weak countries -- it makes you look like one of these turtle-neck shitlibs who gets offended much too easily.
Ancient would be me making this argument in 500 years. The territory was lost about 70 years ago. Its important this happen -- if for no other reason -- that for archeticture preservation. But this is a different story for a different time.
Austrians cause big problems in Germany
as I wrote below, too, jokes make for bad judgment. yes, I am many things - with a looong pedigree which does link me to (ancient) territories and peoples which you very, very casually toss around their borders. Perhaps you might want to look it this way: I'm a fairly median representative of (Very) Old Europe. You know, that Europe about which Dubya joked, too. Very American of him, this joke-joke-oh-did-I-get-on-your-toes? charming way of reminding everybody that Caligula might be mad, and yet Master of the World
but Dubya had a whole multi-layered intelligence service to - hopefully - give him trustworthy real information. while if you make too many jokes about enemies or friends, you blind your own eyes
The agenda Poland is following is important. Independently if you or me like it or not. Ex-FM Sikorski just caused a Polish media and political furore on allegations that Russia made proposals about a partition of Ukraine
this might sound hilarious to American ears used to "sausage-vendor invading Poland" sketches, but nobody in Poland, Ukraine, Russia or Belarus, the other Russia, is laughing. or will laugh. and in Germany it is considered the worst taste to find it in any way funny
so at least we agree on Austrian School being the least insane economic theory? perhaps I can show you that some single and specific issues dear to socialists and the very, very important Greens have some merit, too. in fact, I still think - from what you write - that you would find many points dear to you scattered all over the German political landscape. including your views on Putin or Russia
self-loathing? lol. why that? because I do not kiss the ground on which Putin walks?
The Poles have been too many times on the wrong side of history, mainly as result of their own decisions. There is a reason why there are so many Polish jokes floating around... By the way, I thought everybody is equal within the great EU wonderland. That's why the Poles are worth exactly 1 vote in the European Comission, i.e. as much as Malta or Cyprus. As an add note, their record when going against Russia is not terribly impressive...
perhaps, but they have also been very often at the right side of history. like the French. though not in the American perception of history
making jokes is fine, in times of war nearly inavoidable, and yet... do they help in having a sound perception of international issues? or do they blind?
in both EU Parliament and Council, votes are according to population size, with a stipulated assignment key/system, so no, Poland has more votes then Malta or Cyprus
Wrong.
Malta has a population of 446,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta
and has 6 MEPS.
That is 1 MEP for every 74,000 people.
Poland has 51 MEPS and population of 38,000,000 people.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Poland
That is 1 MEP for every 745,098 people.
Try again.
read again. Poland has more MEPs then Malta (51 > 6) and Poland has more votes then Malta in the EU Council
Haus-Tarqaryen is right and you are wrong Ghordius. The votes in the EU are not according to the population size as you said. One of the general flaws of the EU.
Besides that, the Poles commited a genocide to more than 10 million Germans in Silesia, Prussia, Pommeria and other German areas and got away with it till now. TILL NOW. What are you, one of those brainwashed western Germans that got away from their Nazi crimes for cheap after WW2 at the expense of the Germans in Silesia and elsewhere? You are not better then those murdering Polish bastards who stole the land of my forefathers. But those Polish crimes will never be forgotten and there will be a day in the future the Poles will have to pay for that.
Mr. Putin is your best shot.
What you write is new to me.
Are you German or an American trying to stir up conflict ?
Besides, are people reponsible for what their ancestors did ? If I kill your father, will you hold my son responsible ? ( provided I had one ).
I can imagine that according to international law there might be consequences for a state, but you seem to take it too personal. What exactly do you have in mind when you say "the Poles will have to pay for that" ?
The Poles still hold the German land they stole after 1945. So yes, they are responsible for what their anchesters did because they are not ready to give the loot back to the rightful owner. And because they are not even ready to admit their crimes against humanity.
And yes again, i take a genocide commited to my people personal. Because i´m a human being. And this will be the reason for the next war against the Poles, because the Poles were not clever enough to resist themselves from commiting a genocide to the Germans when we were defenceless after WWII.
Oh, so you are rooting for a new war ? You think that is wise ? So you are looking for revenge, more than redress ?
Remember : war is often chaos, it can quickly turn into a situation that NOBODY controlls or even fully comprehends. I would expect a German to have a deep understanding of that.
And : could you provide me with sources where I can read up on that alleged genocide ?
er kommt, ER KOMMT! Cue the music.....Deutschland Deutschland uber alles........
Sorry, but neither the European Parliament nor the EU Council don't matter. The EXECUTIVE branch is the place where the power is concentrated and the practical decisions are taken. That would be the EU Commission, thank you very much. Just 1 vote, baby !
P.S. Your dishonesty is appaling, but typical for a totalitarian state bureaucrat
does the EU Commission really count as "executive"? sure, it is in the middle of everything, and many practical decisions are taken there. but they all have to be approved by the EU Parliament and the EU Council
further, a real executive usually has some police and military power. nope, I stand to the facts that since the whole shebang is based on parliamentarism, the two chambers are the masters and the commission is more akin a secretary service
interesting, how this is seen as a totalitarian state bureaucratic view by you. let me guess, you'd be more confortable with a directly elected president? thanks, but no, thanks
all this talk about the EU is anyway really funny in an article that should remind you that it's armies, that count. In this case, the Polish Army restationing itself from a Western-facing stance to an Eastern-facing stance
what is the EU? an economic regulatory environment. take it away, and you have 28 regulatory environments. it never ceases to amaze me that so few realize this
"...2, 4, 6, 8, they brainwash and teach you hate!" -- Charles Mingus
Oh Jesus Christ, proving historical truths with "Polish jokes" - really?
You ever heard the "American jokes" told during WWII?
angel of joy:
the majority of Napoleon's troops who burned Moscow to the ground were Polish
Poland also defeated Russia in the 1923 war.
Really ? And what happened with that great army which "burned Moscow to the ground" in the end, if you don't mind my asking ? I guess they all froze to death at some point... Incidentally, it is a well known historical fact that the retreating Russians put fire to the entire city of Moscow before leaving it, so that Napoleon won't get much in neither food nor shelter.
Poles might have beaten the roving bands of reds in 1923 (which were led by some complete idiots at the time), but in the end it didn't help them much. By the way, that was about the only time when they managed such a performance...
Wrong and Wrong....
Russians fired Moscow, not Napolean's Army
1923 was "Reds" not Russia
C'mon Ghordius, you simply much overstate the value and strength of those Polacks!
It's somewhat typical the Eurocentric adherents to overpraise own selves, lol
they just do not reflect any real might or show any particular intelligence, neither its size may say anything special nor earn any particular recognition...
Rank Country Area sq.km Yearly growth Daily Increase Population Today
34. Poland 312,685 0.01% 13 38,222,729
Geohive
I am overstating? well, I remember Emperor Caligula... pardon me, Mr. George W. (Dubya) Bush, President of the United States of America being very happy about the Polish Armed Forces joining the First Coalition of the Willing, aka the Multi-National_Force_–_Iraq, even if it was only 200 in the invasion and with a peak of 2'500
no, six "peacetime" Polish divisions aren't much... except when you need six to nine divisions to counter them because they are operating against you, and then you have six to nine division less for other things
the same about intelligence: you need own intelligence just to counter. and in politics and diplomacy, Poland has been a leading force in all proposals around what to do about Russia, in the EU context. and Donald Tusk, the previous Polish PM is now the new Prez of the EU Council
meanwhile, "little" Poland (as you might be implying) borders to Russian Kaliningrad, the other Russia, Belarus, and... Ukraine
so as small as Poland might look to you, it is a headache to the Russian Bear all over the board, and not for the first time in the last... centuries
Thank you Ghordius - you have always been an island of intelligence in a sea of misinformation. I Salute You:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCnQDUSO4I
Anyone knowing anything about music knows just exactly what Shostakovich was up to here.
Get wise.
Once again Ghordius thanks.
Don't blame Ray Charles, the maps would make much better sense if he had drawn them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cnzuI4fsMs
Roosevelt, Truman, Churchill, Stalin all War Criminals.
all under the same spirit..
Lots of adjustments could/should be made possibly...
Ukraine's aggression got the adjustments started.. lost back territory lived people never got a say...
looks chance that Pollacks want some of same...
But I some like Luka, cos Belarus is clean, low debt and not attacking neighbors.
All were war criminals. Absolutely. If I could upvote this comment multiple times -- I would.
TBF - I don't know much about Luka, save he looks like HvR, and HvR looks like he has down-syndrome.
Would rather be on same side in foxhole with VV Putin and Luka?
Or Hollande, Cameron, Merkel, whoever Poles and Brussels eurofags, etc. ?
Ask yourself
It depends on where the conflict is and who is the aggressor.
I would rather play defense than offense.
I'm impressed- you have to pay good money these days to get East Prussia spelt with a "ß" .
I have a key on my keyboard, which is either ß or ? depending on whether or not I hit shift.
But Preußen is spelled with a "ß." People who spell it with "ss" are morons.
"But Preußen is spelled with a "ß." People who spell it with "ss" are morons. "
Maybe in your country. In mine, Prussia is written Prussia even in the best books. And I guess anyone who would spell it Preußen would look like a wanker - unless, that is, he was a German writing in his own language. Or maybe a nostalgic Pole.
Or not, Lea.
By 2017?...So there is no rush then, just a job for the weekends? Plenty of time for me to order some
new sails.....ok thanks for the heads up.
Ahhhh, guys, Poland is keeping their troops in Poland. What military misfit would not put his military serfs at the place where he feels the most risk?
Did you Putin shirt sniffers say the same thing when Bare chested Bravado Putin parked his alcoholics near the Ukraine border?
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Pretty sure some of Poland's troops are in Eastern Ukraine. You know - helping the US puppet regime murder civilians and the like.
I am sure those Polish soldiers in Ukraine are just on leave, attending classes and eating cookies provided by Nuland.
They very well could be. Anyone who is a aware of the history between Russia and Poland knows that it is incredibly antagonistic. I have spent a considerable amount of time in Poland and their hatred of the Russian's runs deep (and rightfully so). I would even venture to say that Poland is the most pro-USSA country in all of Europe. Perfect little set up for Washington. That said, I hope Russia continues to make the EU and USSA look like little bitches.
I live in Poland and sadly agree. Poland is the perfect tool for US manipulation: ppl here want to hear Ruskies are bad little satans and will swallow any lie that confirms that. that makes Poland highly vurnelable to CIA propaganda. people here are not only unwilling to see through Washington lies, they think like "finally the West we longed for agrees with us". remember Poland was one of the most vocal proponents of war in Iraq, even though France and Germany were strongly against it?
former generation had similar attitude towards Germany and as it retired this sentiment faded. similar will be with current generation - local equivalent of Baby Boomers. unfortunatelly reasonable relations with Russia will only be build when that generetion retires from politics too.
Thanks for your insight.
Ukraine under Poroschenko couldn't fish or cut bait, so the neocons are looking for new bait for Putin. How about Kalingrad? Who really believes that these "troops" are going to the Ukrainian border. These CIA trained "special forces" will be working with the CIA agents and the 5th column already running Poland, on the border with Kalingrad. From the zionists viewpoint it will be just like Ukraine: Putin did it. Only this time it will be Poland that Putin is blamed for, and we know what happened after they blamed the last Polish border crisis on: Hitler. Putin will end up being blamed for the next manufactured halocaust.
Thanks for the input. I feel bad for the Poles as they are among my favorite people and they are definitely getting played by the USSA. Good luck over there.
thanks. former Minister of Foreign Relations Radoslaw Sikorski had already been played by Politico presstitutes. this was the guy who had been recorded privately saying that "polish foreign policy is doing blowjob to the USA". now he was used by "journalists" to forward another lie: that Putin allegedly discussed Ukraine divide with Poland's Prime Minister, though he was absent of that meeting.
I alsways though Poland, being far from tsunamis, hurricanes and Fukushimas, would be spared in spite of the comming Great Shit Hitting The Fan but now I clearly see it's going to be used, like Ukraine, in this pre-peak-oil / pre-peak-debt setting.
I plan to leave. but where should I go? is there any sane place on the planet left?
The country with a high average IQ and a small government.
Just follow Marc Faber :-)
I know Polish heritage who is guitar guy in Chicago long time.
He is real good guy.
Don't start him on what he thinks of most Poles.
He prefers not deal with them, or very careful if does...seems another Chicago problem
Especially the chickenshit nato ass kissers (his words)
"Did you Putin shirt sniffers say the same thing when Bare chested Bravado Putin parked his alcoholics near the Ukraine border?"
EXACTLY. EXACTLY RIGHT.
Any of you Putin fanboys have any real contact with Crimeans and/or Ukranians? No, I thought not.
Poland gets 100% of its natural gas from Russia. Do they want to freeze in the dark?
Don't even try understand this mentality.
Poles are always on the wrong side of things.
Manipulated, used and whoring leaders manipulating and using the population
at least much of which follows enjoyingly stupid
The Poles are the slavic French.
They are MAF they aren't the power that they once were. They have habitually had the shit kicked out of them from all sides. So, they, like the French, always overplay their hand -- and again -- are making the *SAME* mistake they made in WWI and WWII which is
"Fuck the Germans AND the Russians. Our bffls are the Americans. They'll definitely come to our aid (this time.)"
"But this time they did give us cookies"
They didn't even get cookies this time. Those went to the Ukrainians.
I guess I had better refresh myself on Pollock jokes, because it looks like they may become appropriate again.
Unlike zee Germans that not at all overplayed their hands twice in the 20th century. Thrice if you would count the cold war. Although they came out victorious in the end ruling Europe and the EU through imposed austerity. It took a bit of time though.
Yeup. Western "Europeans" attacking Russia will always result in complete failure. The Russians attacking and attempting to hold Western "Europe" will always result in failure.
Restore pre WWII borders, Ost-Preußen is the DMZ and both sides be happy with their kingdoms.
"Manipulated, used and whoring leaders manipulating and using the population"
Spot on.
You, Volkodav, are a repulsive asshole. A real slimebag.
Volkodav buys his votes ... with threats.
Volkodav - another Little Odessa/Brighton Beach NYC immigrant slime bag.
squirrelly comment...that is jew communities
Maybe Poland has a secret Molotov-Von Ribbentrop pact wih Russia to tear up and divide Ukraine.
Would be excellent. Poland has an excellent/bullet proof claim to 20% (and the most fertile) parts of the Ukraine.
Please detail what you refer to as most fertile parts..
I don't get that at all
Soil that has the ability to result in high-yield crops.
I really need to start bookmarking what I read.
Most fertile land were never Polish.
"Please detail what you refer to as most fertile parts..I don't get that at all"
No of course not. How could you? You haven't any yourself so how could possibly understand...
You're a real barren sort of type aren't you?
Enough of you.
75%
The USA does not even let Polish citizens into the USA without a visa!
An EU memberstate with an above average economic pulse rate.
Amazing what they get out of these lap dogs.
If you treat someone like shit, even if you are inferior, I guess you can make up the jokes.
The jokes on you poland, enjoy your war with Russia!
I think history show they enjoy (being used) starting war...
then not so much
"I think history show they enjoy (being used) starting war...then not so much"
A da? I think history 'show' something else entirely.
Let your "President" Putin know there's a hat on sale in Paris soon that might be even too small for his fathead - asshole.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/24/us-france-napoleon-hat-idUSKCN...
Go to Poland whenever you need to polish your Polish jokes.
The "USA" wouldn't be the USA without Polish immigrants you ignorant piece of shit who hasn't any sense of history. FUCK OFF.
We sure wouldn't have the treasure trove of ethnic jokes. Lighten up.
No I won't.
"The USA does not even let Polish citizens into the USA without a visa!
An EU memberstate with an above average economic pulse rate.
Amazing what they get out of these lap dogs.
If you treat someone like shit, even if you are inferior, I guess you can make up the jokes.
The jokes on you poland, enjoy your war with Russia!"
You are unbelievable. The Swiss, the British, the French etc etc "cannot" get into the USA without a fucking visa!!! The only people getting into the USA without a visa are your "rich" immigrants from the south of your border.
What an absolute idiot you are.
"The USA does not even let Polish citizens into the USA without a visa! An EU memberstate with an above average economic pulse rate. Amazing what they get out of these lap dogs. If you treat someone like shit, even if you are inferior, I guess you can make up the jokes. The jokes on you poland, enjoy your war with Russia!"
HA HA HA, do you realize that your lines alone coin a NEW Polack JOKE :-) ALOL
Poland's redeployment of troops to its border with Ukraine, which is completely justified, stands in stark contrast to Russia's deployment of troops to its border with Ukraine, which is completely unjustified. erp
"erp" ??
Otherwise I agree with your comment.
Is "erp" something I ought to be aware of?
"ERP stands for Erotic Role-Play. Role-Play in this definition refers to the typing RP done in video games, chatrooms and forums.
ERP is a role-play with little plot besides the quick sex scene between characters. There is no consequence and no long term story behind it.
ERP is basically RP that is rated X."
Sorry--should have been derp
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derp
"You forgot Poland."
Poles trying to get within apple range.
An apple a day keeps Dr. Strangelove away.
Poland has "thousands of troops?" Well, there you go, learn something every day around here.
Prolly still has horse cavalry for anti tank purposes.
Stupid is, as stupid does.
Something about why the New Polish Navy has glass bottom boats?
Horses are immune to EMP you mook!
And re-fuel themselves!
And kick like hell!
Hang some AR500 on em and you're good to go to war!
AR500?
500 brinell steel. AR 500 is comparable to roughly a 52 on the Rockwell C scale.
It shoots through schools.
Dear down-voters: I'm allowed to say that. I'm married to a Pollock. Her maiden name is long enough it doesn't fit on a regulation hockey jersey (13 letters). She also happens to be a lot smarter than me.
Oh are you in big trouble now..
I have been in big trouble before. It wasn't anything like this.