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In Historic Shift, NATO-Member Poland Is Moving Thousands Of Troops To Its Eastern Border
In the first sign that, just in time for winter, the tentative European jawboning alliance against Russia is collapsing (since the "costs", sanctions and other economic means inflicted upon the Kremlin ended up backfiring and pushing Europe into a triple-dip recession instead), earlier today Poland announced that it will move thousands of troops toward its eastern borders, i.e., Ukraine, in what AP dubbed a "historic realignment of a military structure built in the Cold War."
Why is NATO-member Poland doing something which will clearly only send antagonizing signals to Putin, who previously has made it quite clear that any NATO expansion via the Polish corridor will be met with an appropriate response? Not surprisingly, defense minister Tomasz Siemoniak said the troops are needed in the east because of the conflict in neighboring Ukraine.
"The geopolitical situation has changed, we have the biggest crisis of security since the Cold War and we must draw conclusions from that," Siemoniak said.
If indeed Poland is going through with this military reallocation, it is the most serious military signal yet to evolve out of the Ukraine civil war, because for the first time there is more than merely hollow rhetoric and empty threats: this time one NATO member is strategically, not tactically, shifting its power focus in a way that the Kremlin will have no choice but to view the move as a threat, and will in turn have to respond in kind.
The Polish defense minister added that at least three military bases in the east will see their populations increase from the current 30 percent of capacity to almost 90 percent by 2017, and that more military hardware will be moved to those bases as well.
He said it was not some "nervous or radical move" but that because of this "situation of threat we would like those units in the east of Poland to be more efficient."
Although Poland joined NATO in 1999, most of Poland's 120,000-member army is based along the country's western border, as a relic of its former status as a Soviet Bloc member.
The units in the east, like the air defense unit in Siedlce, have only 30 percent of jobs filled in line with a plan that calls for 100 percent of troops "only in the case of war."
As a reminder, here is what happened the last Russia felt NATO, and Poland, were stretching a little too close to its borders in December 2013, just months before the Ukraine conflict escalated out of control with the assistance of Victoria Nuland et al.
"Russia will deploy Iskander missile systems in its enclave in Kaliningrad to neutralize, if necessary, the anti-ballistic missile system in Europe."
- Dmitry Medvedev, former Russian president, November 2008 in his first presidential address to the Russian people
2013 was a year when Europe tried to reallign its primary source of natgas energy, from Gazpromia to Qatar, and failed. More importantly, it was a year in which Russia's Vladimir Putin undisputedly won every foreign relations conflict that involved Russian national interests, to the sheer humiliation of both John Kerry and Francois Hollande. However, it seems the former KGB spy had a Plan B in case things escalated out of control, one that fits with what we wrote a few days ago when we reported that "Russia casually announces it will use nukes if attacked." Namely, as Bloomberg reports citing Bild, Russia quietly stationed a double-digit number of SS-26 Stone, aka Iskander, tactical, nuclear-capable short-range missiles near the Polish border in a dramatic escalation to merely verbal threats issued as recently as a year ago.
The range of the Iskander rockets:
From Bloomberg:
- Russia has stationed missiles with a range of about 500 kilometers in its Kaliningrad enclave and along its border with the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, Germany’s Bild-Zeitung reports, citing defense officials it didn’t identify.
- Satellite images show a “double-digit” amount of mobile units identified as SS-26 Stone in NATO code
- Missiles were stationed within the past 12 months
- SS-26 can carry conventional as well as nuclear warheads
In other words, Russia quietly has come through on its threat issued in April 2012, when it warned it would deploy Iskander missiles that could target US missile defense systems in Poland. From RIA at the time:
Moscow reiterated on Tuesday it may deploy Iskander theater ballistic missiles in the Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad that will be capable of effectively engaging elements of the U.S. missile defense system in Poland.
NATO members agreed to create a missile shield over Europe to protect it against ballistic missiles launched by so-called rogue states, for example Iran and North Korea, at a summit in Lisbon, Portugal, in 2010.
The missile defense system in Poland does not jeopardize Russia’s nuclear forces, Army General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces, said.
“However, if it is modernized…it could affect our nuclear capability and in that case a political decision may be made to deploy Iskander systems in the Kaliningrad region,” he said in an interview with RT television.
“But that will be a political decision,” he stressed. “So far there is no such need.”
We anticipate that Russian retaliation this time will be roughly along the abovementioned, nuclear lines.
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Like confusing a Polack with a Slovak. Did that once. Asked girlfriends mom is she was Polish, said half Polish, half Slovak. Asked if there was a difference. Strike one. Then proceeded to dig further and joked about Grandpa being able to swim across the river.
pods
I'm just here for the down votes.....
If you really want the down votes, next time the Ukies and Russians engage in some foreplay -- say something like "Will someone somewhere just start shooting already!?*"
* I did this multiple times earlier this year -- I think I set a ZH record with over 400 downvotes on a single comment.
Grandpa was alpha
Here, I'll give you a big ole greenie, just because I'm that type of guy:
http://goo.gl/eUGlku
All of them stationed along the Ukrainian border....
Prolly still has horse cavalry for anti tank purposes. Stupid is, as stupid does.
You Sir are an asshole. Sir Asshole.
Wont her is just wrong english I say!
Wrong English or... :>D
The dollar decline continues: China begins direct convertibility to Asia’s #1 financial center
Okay fine, can we get full disclosure on all those asian balance sheets? I won't hold my breath.
Look out! German will expoit that situation and invade Poland from the rear!
(That was a joke, don't get your panties in a twist.)
El Presidente wants some of that invasion from the rear action.
Yep, we Germans should move our troops east too. To protect Silesia and Prussia. If you know what i mean.
Yeah, no shit.
Poland is a threat to Russia?
Bwhahahahahaha. 1000 years ago maybe.
"Nuke Poland"? That seems like a bit of an over reaction.
Obviously you don't want to be a Russian in Ukraine after the election results.
Still unclear what is going on in White Russia though. Are they on Putin's side? Ukraine's? Poland's?
Luka?
push and see....
They are on Lukashenko's side..... ;-)
History sounds sooo good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh8q6CfhjtI
You people always bitching about 'Dancing With The Stars' are being given a chance to understand something about culture - take the opportunity and just try to understand.
Poland hate hate HATES Russia
"To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee." [/moby pollock]
I thought that was from "The Wrath of Khan". Who knew? Anyway, you really haven't heard it until you've heard it in it's original Klingon.
Buzzy is correct on that one!
Call me Ishmael...
"Poland hate hate HATES Russia"
Yeah, and with good good GOOD reason
Warsaw is the new Berlin
Actually makes some sense as numerous international corporations in energy, manufacturing, biotechnical, and agriculture now call Warsaw home. The outcome will be the same if true.
This is quite true, although the longevity of the Polish economic renissance I question.
The Polish are doing better than any independent former Soviet bloc country. Considering where they were 40 years ago -- its amazing to drive* through Poland today.
Energy is mostly oil and NatGas as the Polish are excellent at placing fracking rigs on the German border, and sucking out all their (the Germans) oil and NatGas, as, the Germans have their heads shoved too far up their asses to drill it themselves.
Manfacturing -- Because Poland isn't part of the EMZ -- they benefit as a very Western industralized country with a cheap currency.
Biotechnical -- no idea
Agriculture -- lol you mean Ost-Preußen which is currently on loan to Poland.
*Don't stop or park your car -- as its likely to disappear and get sold for parts on eBay.
Economist World Debt Comparison
check their debt
I expect they will provoke someone
I had not heard about frack/suck under Germany
Pollack never learn? (Danzig)
or they got look the other way from Frau M. on her masters orders?
I'll have to do some digging -- I need to find the article, but it talked about the main sources of Polish energy industry and it sems primarily form fossil fuels, which are highly congregated along the German Polish border.
plus soros is crazy busy fracking. he pretty much has it wrapped up. so i guess it's obola's duty to help him maintain control.
Obviously, Poland is trying to invade Ukraine! NATO should be outraged.
I think they just positioned their prostitutes there to handle the marketplace, the military just followed. can't blame them, can you?
Nipples to the East!!!!
"Obviously, Poland is trying to invade Ukraine! NATO should be outraged."
What's this? Charlie Sheen realpolitik? Fuck off American trash. Just fuck off.
You can always spot the ' nation of biggest dummies ' by their governments alignment with USSA policy theater. Pole=Patsy=PotatoHead.
This has reminded me to pick up some sour cream for the perogees tonight.
Maybe off topic but did anyone else notice the complete waterfall in GOFO rates over the past couple of days? Moved from a positive .10 to a negative .09 very quickly. Does someone know something the rest of us don't or is this some type of short-term timing/seasonal issue (or hell just like the equity markets, something "broke" and will be fixed shortly)?
Mirable dictu! A military alliance designed for the Cold War, runs out of Cold War and has to stir it up again to justify its existance. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
self fulfilling...
In those days of Plato, they defended the deviant behaviour of the guardians as "noble lie"....to save the republic (of course). What other reason could there be??
Machiavelli nailed that reasoning as "reason of state". Now every new political prince had his tinsel curtain to hide behind!
Law was supposed to be a check to power. It became its tool !
Nato, Nato, Nato and Plato !
"Mirable dictu! A military alliance designed for the Cold War, runs out of Cold War and has to stir it up again to justify its existance. Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"
Someone has spent a little time at "Naked Capitalism" but perhaps not enough? ...
Assymetric
You have Ukraine out-lined wrong.
“Pardon Us For Our Country’s Existence in the Middle of Your Military Bases” – Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov’s Speech at the UN
This is just an gesture. It may never happen, and it won't happen before 2017. It is all part of posturing for the purpose of discouraging Russian intervention into Ukraine. not unlike the U.S. navy sending a couple of warships into the Black Sea. These gestures won't change the Russian calculations regading Ulraine all that much. It will give the Kiev puppets a bit of encouragement.
"GO, KIEV! We're right BEHIND you." :-)
Yes, the IMF and NATO are right behind Kiev, humping!
2017?
Jebus Crikey. Glaciers move faster than that.
You install a missile defense system that is designed to shoot down missiles that are directed at you and the opposing side installs ground to ground missiles to attack you (again) AND THEY CALL THAT THEIR JUSTIFIED RESPONSE.
Why don't the Baltic states ask for the Pershing II missiles that were withdrawn and line them up on the border facing St. Peterburg, Moscow and all big cities in between. Russia is targeting it's 5000 nucs (according to Mr. P) so first flash lets the Baltics cut them lose because it will be nano seconds before they get vaporized (just hope someone doesn't get trigger happy and cut theirs lose in a thunderstorm).
Nononono, they just LOOKED like they were aimed at Moscow. Really they were purely defensive missiles that were designed to protect the Baltics and Poland from those mean ol' Iranians.
Trust me on this.
And now the cover up, it reads like an Onion piece
NYPD: Cops Who Threw Away Gloves in Street Didn't Enter Ebola Patient's Home
I stopped at
But an NYPD spokeswoman dismissed the concerns,
Someone must have taken that zoo full of monkeys that typed up the Encyclopedia Brittanica and put them to work playing Risk for the Rothschilds, because there doesn't seem to be a single counter-productive scheme imagineable that isn't being fully funded and acted out these days. (Apologies to the monkeys. It's just an old metaphor, guys. :-)
It certainly seems that way. But maybe the Rothschilds/globalists have a strategy that we don't fully understand which would make these seemingly inexplicable actions make sense.
"Pawns in the Game" William Guy Carr
begin your education here
one book, if you want answer
see how strategy implemented..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EOpmew5rh0
I used to laugh at all that Illuminati/Satanic stuff. But it gets more feasible all the time. The essence of Satanism is that man is perfectable and this concept might help explain a lot of what's going on.
"Pawns in the Game" (1958) by William Guy Carr
PDF
William Guy Carr - Pawns in the Game
This is a 100 minute recording of a speech given by Commander William Guy Carr in Chicago just before his death in 1957. His message stands the test of time and is relevant for us today.
Commander Carr, the famous author of "Red Fog Over America" and "Pawns In The Game" gives a comprehensive political and philosophical overview of the Illuminati-International Banker conspiracy to undermine all nations and create a one world government.
AUDIOPoland was among the first countries to support Kiev this past summer with 'aid' and a few volunteer soldiers. Rumour has it, now that the elections in the Ukraine are over a major offensive from Kiev is in the works aimed at Donetsk. The ethnic Russian-Ukrainians are well armed with the full support of Russia and are fully aware of the situation. They are prepared to defend their home again but are hoping that Kiev understands this time that it will never ethnically cleanse the Donbass region and that their will be no victory for Kiev should they make the mistake and attempt an invasion. I can not understand why they do not negotiate a peace, it would be cheaper and save lives. Only a war profiteer wants war.
The US Deep State can count on a thoroughly controlled MSM to paint every defensive act by Russian separatists or the Russian Federation as an offensive one, and massacres of civilians and deliberate targetting of civilian infrastructure using banned munitions will be kept out of the news just as Israel's quotidian assaults on human rights are kept out of the paper lest Abe Foxman be offended that the Jewish State be castigated for its ongoing colonial, apartheid, racialist scheme to ethnically cleanse Palestine.
There's no question that war isn't good for the average person, it never is, but at some fault the US pubic has to be given much of the blame.
The same people who lied the us into war with Iraq, and the same shrill yellow journalism, almost succeeded to lie the US into wars on Syria and Iran, and certainly worked to have NATO, for some reason, meddling in the Islamist revolt in Libya [check out VICE's treatment of that rebellion and you decide if they're much more than an agng hipster version of CNN]... the same lies, largely by the same Israel Firster, warmongering neocon crowd.... the sam playbook and 70%^ of people over 40 accept, without any further curiosity, that Iran must be working on nukes despite the total lack of evidence they are, or that ISIs appeared overnight with US weapons but there's no need to investigate the loss of tens of billions of dollars in US hardware...
etc. You guys know....
It's our fault - we're letting the same media, the same Sunday talk show fatheads lie us into endless conflicts.
For fuck's sake - bin Laden and Khalid Mohammad explicitly mentioned Israel, both of them - and even that was whitewashed from the national discourse about why they hate us for our freedoms and jeans and rock music and dancing...
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Shining Light on Roots of Terrorism - Consortiumnews.com*********
^^^ If you don't think the usual suspects control the media, and our foreign policy, please do try to explain the above, and why we'd risk further attacks simply to support Israel's ongoing theft and murder in Palestine??
It's the banks, its the MIC, but proximately - it is the neocons, and the neocons are primarily Israel Firster chickenhawks.
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html
EUkrain has never received Russia's full support and should not expect it when the WUk/US restarts the full force of the conflict. Putin provides no troops, no air support and does not provide the latest air defense systems or medium range missiles. Same as for Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yugoslavia, and all other conflicts with the west.
Putin seems to like this conflict as it drains some financial resources from the West. It was Putin who tied the EUk rebels hands and forced them to participate in a cease fire just when the EUK forces were getting positioned to drive the WUK back (or out). The rebel leader called Putin's actions a "betrayal". But what choice do the EUK have, no other country is providing them with supplies. So they must let Putin use their blood in a conflict that Putin extends for as long as he can or suffer mass murder by the WUK/US. They have become Putin's pawns.
All Putin has to do is declare a no fly zone over EUK, bomb the WUK positions and wipe out all the WUK missile positions. It could have been over long ago.
If Putin actually supports the EUK then why does he negotiate with the WUK to sell them gas? Profits for the upper class in Russia.
Yes,
I can see those Russian tanks rolling through Kiev on their way to Warsaw, because Putin figures that's the smart play.
I'd be more worried about the Neo-Nazis Ukes pulling a blitzkreig than Russia.
Both at the eastern border aren't they.
then will blitzkreig themselves into a wall....
Poland is way to far from Russia to throw those left over apples at them.
Polish takeover of Lvov now imminent... /s
No, but it's yet another blatant provocation of Russia.
Good they can feed the radical forest freaks surplus apples
Seriously..put the Ukraine back to pre-Soviet would be best...people with their own
Wow , mind-boggling ... nobody remembers the plane crash that took out the Polish government, and that it was likely orchestrated by Pooty-Poot?
Likely?
media dumb you down much?
Pollack Pres had history of getting stupid drunk, entering cockpit, and interfere/override pilots judgements..
and other stupid shit..
he was a little fool.
Sure we remember that plane crash, and we remember that somebody was in the cockpit forcing the pilot to land on an unsafe strip, and the voice recorder caught an argument between pilot and the "somebody," then a huge grinding noise and screaming. The boys (who were in that forest where they shouldn't have been) admitted to seeing one of the plane's wings clipping the trees and then it just cart-wheeled.
No way Putin organized that horror. It was self-inflicted.
I had a polska girlfriend a few years back. Unfortunately she insisted against my will to dropping on all fours and pushing a potato around the kitchen with her nose. 'Old habits die hard ' she shrugged on her way out the door.
Oh Ruskies are now sensitive ones that Poland realocate troops in THEIR OWN land and at the same time they occupy Crimea and invade eastern Ukraine because "its our right". Yeah no they can go fuck themselves...
It is very destabilizing of Poland to move troops so close to the Ukraine border. They should move their troops back at least 50 km. If Russia has to, then Poland has to.
ignl, where has Russia voiced concern about the movement of troops within Poland? I did not find that within the article. Russia has voiced concerns about the movement of NATO missiles within Poland. The rest is just the author's opinion that Russia is upset about the troops.
War is the ultimate solution to payback debt
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No, no, no, your OTHER EAST!
Assholes...
no, this is all non-news, Tyler, this event is as unimportant as Poland participation in Aphganistan. a show-off to Uncle Sam counting on some free dinners. you know, US troops stationing in Europe prop up local economy...
Look at the map.
Any assault from Poland into Ukraine must first neutralize any threat from Belarus .
If this is attempted militarily , it will definitely lead to war with Russia.
But Putin and Merkel seems to have struck a deal .
The Poles never seem to learn.
See
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/05/belarus-and-european-instability.html
nothing there.....
Belarus is not threatening anyone.
Economist World Debt Comparison look there and compare debts of Poland vs Belarus
Poland is owned...
Economist World Debt Comparison,,,
http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock
Use that one along with this one for better picture:
List of Gross External Debt by Country
by Tejvan Pettinger on September 29, 2014 in economics
External debt is the total public (government) and private debt owed to NON-RESIDENTS repayable in INTERNATIONALLY ACCEPTED CURRENCIES, goods, or services. This is gross (total) external debt. It does not measure net debt.
External debt is different to measures of public (government) debt. See: List of national debt by country.
http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/2996/economics/list-of-gross-external-...
Between the two, i concern more about the EXTERNAL debt for a debtor country is more prone to the immediate exploits of various foreign parties as seen in the Asia Financial Crisis in 1997-8, just learned the accompanying fire sales of national assets to foreigners after the predesigned calamity!
Poles have never learned from history.
we have, but always one generation too late :(
http://warisacrime.org/content/ukraine-restarts-war-eastern-regions-sour...
"In the first sign that, just in time for winter, the tentative European jawboning alliance against Russia is collapsing (since the "costs", sanctions and other economic means inflicted upon the Kremlin ended up backfiring and pushing Europe into a triple-dip recession instead)"
Blah blah blah, your Messiah Putler is suffering the worst economical decline in many years, their stock market crashed and ruble is at record lows. But keep on going with RIA(Rusian state news agency) news lol!!!!
Germany is doing just fine with sanctions - this Christmas lots of people will look forward to very early retirement
And in "what-if" news, the residents of Lviv and Lutsk will hold an unofficial election to determine whether they want to, a: declare independence from Ukraine, and b: join Poland.
In related "what-if" news, Romania sponsors a plebiscite in Moldova to decide whether Romania should annex most of Moldova (except for the Transniestra strip - those hard-headed Russia lovers on the Ukraine border - nobody wants to annex them except Ukraine, and only to wipe them out).
But are the Polish moving to the correct border?
Ukraine to Poland: You want a piece of me?
Poland to UKraine: Ok. (cause Uncle Sam has my back)
Russia (sotto voce) stupid Poles, as usual. You Uncle is gonna sell you down the river, Again.
The 30% number is about right while west had 100% the plane crash was messed up. Snow plow and all. alCIAduh or kgbduh don't know but they were going to 1940 massacre of poles Really Belarus Ukraine,officers police priest by Russians who invaded Poland 2 weeks after Germany. Hitler Barrbossia June 22 1941. Like I said Poland 100% west 30% east.. I think Nuland' nutty neo-cons NNN think that secret touture prisons in Poland will blackmail Poland NATO.. Poland knows Gadanz is Danzig. I really really hope these war profiteers get defunded but don't have faith in propagandist. ... Please Please Please. Wake up.
so what?
what the hell are they going to do on the eastern border except maybe annex some of UE?
this is so much BS. RU tanks rolling to Kiew etc.
Most of you guys would qualify for the Polish general staff. LMAO
Strong like bull
Oh, yesss! In 1939 England and France promised they will die for Poland. Poland was wiped out in two weeks. This time - two hours? (I doubt) - two days?
France promised by treaty in 1921. Britain had no treaty with Poland, it was tricked by Colonel Beck
Churchill was owned tool to use the Poles start war.
Stalin (Reds) plan was the combatants destroy each other, then he overun Europe.
when didnt go that way...he forced to change plan to sooner offense July date
Germany got wind of it
I see. The old, profumated Rezun's shit. Still eating it like honey? Govnodav, not Volkodav.
Yes and shortly after the Germans invaded the USSR did the same. Yet they became allies. Amazing, no?
Poland was the only occupied nation whose government in exile was the Opposition not the pre-war Government. Simply because the military dictatorship which came to power in 1926 was totally discredited by its stupid interwar foreign policy under the untrustworthy foreign minister Colonel Beck who tricked Chamberlain into an alliance.
This was the Poland that took a slice of Czechoslovakia when Hitler too control in 1938, and which thought it was some kind of regional power leading central Europe. So who wants to Mourir pour Danzig this time around ?
1 cup Kondratiev wave baby boomer population
1/2 cup global economic depression
1 tbs political annimosity
5 whopping cups of QE during a derivatives bubble
2 cups military oneupsmanship
and add just a pinch of Archduke Ferdinand
Voila, nobody saw it comming, but we baked it, so now we gotta eat it.
Poland has no Blacks and no Arabs, two of the most "destructive" forces from within.
The society there is not, and it will never be tolerant if fact its borderline racist, so no danger of that shit to ever flourish there.
In 20 years, it might be a gem for a white man to relocate to, given how things are going in the West.
It is the west's, as property of..
If you are seriously considering. Belarus is more (most all) white.
Otherwise keep go east for survival
cockpernicus blame these things
Barbara Lerner Spectre and jewish implementation of multiracial multiculturalism in the Europehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Vq_e2Z1ug
just stating 100% facts, as to what/why/how and who is to blame thats pretty irrelevant at this point in time.
Britain and France have Sharia police walking around, and Blacks are greeted with baseball bats in Poland, thats the difference.
Poland never had any colonies, so they simply dont have any "liabilities"
"Blacks are greeted with baseball bats in Poland"
No they're not apart from some isolated incidents. See my link above.
All big cities, its suicidal for Blacks to walk around the city past 7pm, thats all im going to say.
"Poland has no Blacks and no Arabs"
Sadly this is not correct. It hasn't been flooded yet as it's not wealthy enough but it has experienced quite a few enrichers like this one. http://irishsavant.blogspot.ie/2010/02/poland-celebrates-diversity-terri...
I used to think all those Polock jokes were, well jokes. Now.... I'm not so sure.
no body is taller
nobody is broader
nobody is badder
than the mighty pole
they say the kiev nazi is mean
they say the tel aviv rabbi is insane
but they are as nothing against the giant
pole.
we can win this
the russian winter we make heat from each other
and the energy from are polish freedum apples
yes sir
putin is has hit the imovable force that is soros rothschild poland.
giants of krackow and gdansk
lets roll
Go put your burka back on lest your muzzie master beats you.
2017? wonder how much of Poland will be left by then?
might want to move that deployment date up a bit...
NATO really, really wants that resort/ peace base in Sevastopol on the black sea.
I think they're afraid of the neo nazi Ukrainian National Gurad that even the Government no longer controls.(if they ever did)Maybe these neo cons are controlling certain elements within a badly thought out plan in Ukraine.Victoria Nuland's 5 billion went to support these idiots.It buys a lot.
This is very simple. Polish are aware of the fact that during winter Ukrainian democrats will try to visit their neighbors to say "thank you for our totally fucked up country". Polish government was very involved with turmoil in Ukraine and now try to prepare for consequences.
Let's give the Poles the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they have realized how screwed up their foreign policy has been under the influence of Washington lunatics. Maybe they will start sending arms to anti-Nazi independence fighters in Eastern Ukraine "by mistake" -- you know, like how the US is dropping arms into the hands of CIA/NATO-created ISIS "by mistake"
Heres what boters me about Putin.....he said this in the Paul Craigs Roberts piece,
"They once sponsored Islamic extremist movements to fight the Soviet Union. Those groups got their battle experience in Afghanistan and later gave birth to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. The West if not supported, at least closed its eyes, and, I would say, gave information, political and financial support to international terrorists’ invasion of Russia (we have not forgotten this) and the Central Asian region’s countries. Only after horrific terrorist attacks were committed on US soil itself did the United States wake up to the common threat of terrorism. Let me remind you that we were the first country to support the American people back then, the first to react as friends and partners to the terrible tragedy of September 11."
We all know that 9/11 was an inside job, the evidence is clear...one would think if Putin was REALLY against the USA, he would call them on their BS stunt.... or is he picking his battles? 9/11 was used as pretext for the wars that followed and still being used.....now against Russia, should he not call a spade a spade?
Earlier in October, Putin withdrew Russian troops from the Ukrainian border. While there may have been some political considerations, the reality is that it gets COLD in Russia and you do not want to kerp your troops out in tents all winter. Poland is making any entirely political move - ignoring the reality that it also gets very COLD in Eastern Poland. The politician will be warm, but the troops will get frostbite!
With Russia stealing parts of Ukraine and Georgia, I'd move my troops alongside the Russian border too!
Amerikan Patriot,
Russia has stolen nothing. Abkhazia and Ossetia had autonomy within the USSR. They saw no reason to give it up to Georgia after the USSR collapsed. Both places have more legitimate claim to autonomy that Kosovo, which was never autonomous within Serbia, and would still be part of Serbia today if the US and NATO had not iillegally attacked the country.
I hope I don't have to go through the story of how and why Crimea's decision to leave the Ukrainian Republic and apply to join the Russian Federation is legitimate and appropriate. Note that the UN ruled that Kosovo's referndum on autonomy/independence was legal even though the rest of Serbia was excluded from the vote. If that's OK for Kosovo, why not Crimea?
The short answer to your very sound arguments is AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM :: lol
The Poles recognize what Ukraine and Georgia have already come to understand: that Russia is trying to cobble together what it can of the failed Soviet state. It was Vladimir Putin, after all, that wistfully remarked that "the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union."
In other words, the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century wasn't the 60 million lives lost during WWII, nor was it the tens of millions that died during the Spanish influence pandemic in the early part of the 20th century.
Rather, the 'catastrophe' was that 300 million folks were liberated from a totalitarian regime and a command economy that together were responsible for untold human misery.
Putin's self-centered, myopic assessment would be laughable if it didn't negatively impact so many lives.
Dear Amerikan Patriot,
You keep peddling a Russophobic line, which is your right, but try to be intelligent about it.
V. V. Putin is not trying to reconstruct anything like the old USSR. He has no interest in the dictatorship of the proletariat, official atheism, the expropriation of private propoerty or the leading role of the party. Without these things you can't have the USSR or even a semblance of the USSR. The USSR was the embodiment of the One, True Doctrine of Marxism-Leninsm or it was nothing.
As far as Putin regretting the demise of the USSR is concerned, it is not for reasons of nostalgia, but because of the human consequences that flowed from it -- "more deaths than in the Rwandan genocide, more persons were ethnically cleansed than in Yugoslavia; up to 150 thousand died in the civil war in Tajikistan, 100 thousand died during two wars in Chechnya and some 10 thousand died during "peace" between the two wars; some 30,000 died in Nagorno Karabakh and pogroms against Armenians in Baku; fifteen thousand died in the civil war in Abhazia, 5,000 died in the civil war in South Ossetia, 1,000 in Transdnistria, 1,000 in the Ossetia-Ingushetia conflict; more than a million Armenians and Azeris fled each other’s country; over 5 million Russians fled from former Soviet republics; two hundred thousand Georgians fled from Abhazia." (My paraphrase of a comment by a Russia-watcher.)
I cannot address here the role played by the Western powers in foisting Marxism-Leninism on Russia (I'm not saying that no Russians particpated in that enterprise), nor can I address the Western roots of the Red ideology (and, indeed, of ideology itself). Nor the role played by heroic Russians such as Andrei Sakharov, and, most crucially, Aleksandr Solzenitsyn, in paving the way for the demise of the Red regime.
Suffice it to say that Russia is making progress in going from totalitariansim to the authoritarianism-with-signiificant-democratic-features-and-overtones now practiced there, whereas my own beloved USA is going in the wrong direction in abandoning the traidtions of the quaint, commerical, non-interventionist Republic of George Washington as we opt instead the current overbearing federal leviathan with increasing authoritarian (some would say fascist) tendencies.
Hear, hear!
Solzenitsyn very clearly identified the evil ones.
Soviet was never a Russian construct
from 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control
even Kruschev and Breznev were Ukrainian
and Gorby half Ukrainian
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