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NJ Governor Christie Folds, Un-Quarantines "Symptom-Free" Nurse After 24 Hours
In a sudden reversal, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said Monday that the state will release the quarantined American nurse who had been confined in a hospital isolation tent upon arrival from West Africa despite showing no signs of Ebola. As USA Today reports, Kaci Hickox, 33, was the first person pulled aside at Newark Liberty International Airport on Friday under Christie's new strict mandatory quarantine-for-21-days rules. It appears, as Reuters reports, Christie got a tap on the shoulder as The White House has told states that have imposed mandatory quarantines for some travelers from Ebola-hit West Africa that the policy could impede the fight against the disease. Additionally, in true litigious American style, Hickox plans to sue.
Christie makes a strong statement last night...
The quarantined nurse is infuriated...
In a telephone interview with CNN, Hickox, a native Texan who now lives in Maine, said her confinement at University Hospital in Newark was "inhumane" and akin to being in prison. She said she has no symptoms and tested negative for Ebola.
"This is an extreme that is really unacceptable, and I feel like my basic human rights have been violated," Hickox who said on CNN's State of the Union.
24 hours after making the following statement: "I don't think when you're dealing with something as serious as this you can count on a voluntary system."This is the government's job." N
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said Monday that the state will release the quarantined American nurse who had been confined in a hospital isolation tent upon arrival from West Africa despite showing no signs of Ebola.
As USA Today reports, Christie writes that Hickox "has thankfully been symptom free for the last 24 hrs. After being evaluated by CDC & her clinicians the patient is being discharged."
The move came only hours after Christie defended his state's strict new regulations for medical aids returning from Ebola-stricken West Africa.
The White House has told states that have imposed mandatory quarantines for some travelers from Ebola-hit West Africa that the policy could impede the fight against the disease.
The White House voiced its concern to the governors of New York and New Jersey about the potential impact of quarantine orders, a senior administration official said on Sunday.
"We have let the governors of New York, New Jersey, and other states know that we have concerns with the unintended consequences of policies not grounded in science may have on efforts to combat Ebola at its source in West Africa," the Obama administration official said in a statement.
Kaci Hickox, a nurse placed in 21-day quarantine in a New Jersey hospital after returning from treating Ebola patients in Sierra Leone, will contest her quarantine in court, her attorney said on Sunday, arguing the order violates her constitutional rights.
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We are sure they have it all under control - they have been preparing for months... and Ebola is so hard to catch.
The White House is working on new guidelines for such health care workers, according to a senior administration official.
The new guidelines are expected to be unveiled in the coming days, the official said. The official added that the administration is consulting with the states as they develop the new rules.
President Obama met Sunday with his Ebola response team, including "Ebola czar" Ron Klain and other public health and national security officials. According to the White House, the president said any measures concerning returning health care workers "should be crafted so as not to unnecessarily discourage those workers from serving."
Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and United Nations Ambassador Samantha Power said quarantines may discourage health workers from traveling to West Africa to help block the disease at its source.
"If you put everyone in one basket, even people who are clearly no threat, then we have the problem of the disincentive of people that we need," Fauci said on ABC's This Week. "Let's not forget the best way to stop this epidemic and protect America is to stop it in Africa, and you can really help stopping it in Africa if we have our people, our heroes, the health care workers, go there and help us to protect America."
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First, we kill all the lawyers.
There should be quarantines in West Africa for any American who wants to return. All rights belong to we the people as individuals, whether you believe those rights were endowed to you by God or by nature. The Constitution only delegates certain limited powers to the federal government so that it can provide for the common defense, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, and promote the general welfare. In this instance, there are competing individual rights - the rights to life of the people of the US who have not knowingly exposed themselves to a deadly disease vs the rights of those who have traveled to West Africa and knowingly exposed themselves to a deadly, contagious disease to return home. IMHO, the right to life ALWAYS trumps all other rights because you cannot have any other rights unless you first have a right to life. Because the right to life is primary, the lives of Americans who have not knowingly exposed themselves to a deadly disease must be protected over the right to travel of those who have knowingly exposed themselves to a deadly disease. Additionally, we have a situation where the rights of people who have not engaged in risky behavior are in competition with the rights of people who have engaged in risky behavior. Justice demands that the rights of those who have not engaged in risky behavior be protected over the rights of those who have of their own free will engaged in risky behavior. Furthermore, to ensure domestic tranquility and protect the general welfare, the government should act to keep disease and death from our shores. Finally, in this case, the right of those to travel can also be protected with a reasonable restriction - i.e. they should be allowed to return to this country after having been quarantined symptom-free for 21 days in West Africa.
Great. Now she can whine at home.
if she were to infect somebody, I wonder if she would support their right to sue her?
So what happens if this nurse with zero symptoms begins having symptoms in say, 14 days? We're all fucked because of her civil liberties... Me tinks you give up those rights once you decide to travel to a place with a highly communicable pandemic that kills 70% of the people that get it...
I wonder if Christie will be there to shake her moist hand and congratulate her?
Well that was a complete fucking waste of time.
WH has stuff on Christie. Guarantee it.
Pussy ist.
You mean like the ZH comment board full of fair weather libertarian pussies who suddenly want big brother to save them by putting nurses in quarantine after they test negative for the disease? Too funny. Save me big government, save me!
There are legitimate functions of government,
but I wouldn't expect you to know that.
Locking people up with no scientific basis (e.g., even after they test negative for the disease), is not a legitimate function. By your reasoning, anyone exposed to her should be locked up, just in case. And anyone who was exposed to the people who were exposed to her should be locked up, and so on. See you at the FEMA camp. I'll be the guy saying it's wrong. You'll be sucking a guard's cock thanking him for protecting you from the boogie man.
The best way to control people is through fear.
Desire is the second best way.
Uh-oh! Speaking of fear, was this event staged to foment fear about state quarantines and instill trust in Fedgov? Turns out Kaci is a registered Dim with a history of left-wing activism. She also has ties to the CDC, which have been scrubbed from the interweb (naturalnews.com)!
I just want the Christmas Shopping Season to start; I'm tired of being afraid.
That seals it. Kaci Hickox, 33 = BOGATIVE SToRY
i hope person with stupidly spelled name gets ebola now. nananabooboo
Rand is right. This is bringing out the closet authoritarian in a lot of posters. Remember "fuck the government"? Not so much now, it seems.
word.
how about another word ? *fuckoff* - that ok?
how about realizing that criticising .gov when its behaving badly doesn't refute common sense when .gov *might* occasionally do the right thing?
unless of course you're arguing the quarantine is a bad idea? wonder what new yorkers think about that right now...
god i love it when the statist trolls come out of the woodwork and attack based on the strawman of ideological purity. says a lot about where the criticism is coming from.
christie is playing politics. he knows obola will take the fall if this goes south, and this nurse is in fact infected. says something about fat bastard too.
I can't believe what pussies you all are, talking about how the rights of the collective outweigh the rights of the individual. Usually you're all about individual rights, but one little scare and you side with the corrupt government you're always decrying. Grow a fucking pair and protect individual rights above all.
Geez, what a disappointment you punks are...
This IS about individual rights. The right of one individual not to be infected by a risk-taker who may have been exposed to Ebola. The 2nd or 3rd comment from the top was exactly right.
seriously, strawman arguemnts are usually recognized as useless once identified as such.
i mean, come on, you might have an original thought with which to beat this dead horse, right?
intellectually challenged or not, you deserve another chance to shine :)
or not.
Seriously - you're a scared little girl, ready to do what daddy gov wants you to do.
Repressing some childhood bad-touch memories, are we?
Or she knows this whole thing is a SCAM and theres nothing to worry about. She doesnt want to duck out for 21 days for NO REASON AT ALL so she would only play ball to a certain degree with the script. Just like the NBC doctor expert chick that ducked "voluntary" quarantine for a slice of pizza. They told her to shut up slave and made it a "mandatory" quarantine. Play ball shitizen!
So then its just a scam that all these Africans are dieing from Ebola? Are all these non profit doctors who go into the hotzones just following the script then? Some serious flaws in your logic.
Hickox is tied to the CDC
http://www.naturalnews.com/047406_Ebola_quarantines_New_Jersey_CDC.html
Whoops. That wasn't supposed to come out.
Kaci Hichox, the left wing Democrat nurse who works for the CDC and whined about being quarantined for ebola, has retained a Norman Siegel, a left-wing Democrat lawyer to represent her:
http://gotnews.com/left-wing-democrat-ebola-nurse-hires-left-wing-lawyer/
Why is it that nurse Kaci Hickox who has no issues with placing her life at risk to help the less fortunate in Africa but has a problem with her country placing her on a 21-day quarantine that might help save the lives of her fellow citizens?
They need to re-check her symptoms after she gets the "out of network" bill for her involuntary quarantine stay.
Moral Superiority.
I was married to it for 4 years. Thank god we never had kids.
Bleach is top of our list, and we have been nice this year. Really really nice.
Be careful what you read on naturalnews. Mike Adams is a charlatan and fear monger only out for the quick buck.
To his credit, he footnoted his sources in the article. And I don't think his observations are particularly out of line.
To his credit, he footnoted his sources in the article. And I don't think his observations are particularly out of line.
The fact that this woman is a CDC employee was obviously withheld.
Natural News has a good track record and lot more credibility than you do.
You are either talking out your butt or are a fucking plant. Off hand I would say both.
After 1 day membership...
Say hello to Cass Sunstein for me.
"You are either talking out your butt or are a fucking plant. Off hand I would say both."
Actually the furthest thing from the truth. I have been coming to ZH for years and finally decided to join the forum and engage in some discourse. I simply wanted to provide my warning on Mike Adams as I followed him for quite a while, until I came to the conclusion that he a fear monger who was only out for money. Not to mention that he also makes wildly inaccurate claims in his articles.
If you disagree then that is fine with me, that is the whole premise behind discourse-to debate and discuss. I still think Mike Adams is a piece of shit and you're not changing my mind.
The only issue I have with your post is comparing me to Cass Sunstein. NEVER, EVER compare me to that subhuman, parasitic kike.
Other than that, have a good one.
+1 for smooth reply
"..The only issue I have with your post is comparing me to Cass Sunstein. NEVER, EVER compare me to that subhuman, parasitic kike."
Fair enough... but do understand if you don't already, there are cognative infiltrators on this site and we have zero tolerance policy for traitors. Maybe I'm getting a little trigger happy?
I too have followed Mike Adams for years and have confidence that he's a pretty good guy and highly intelligent. He is also successful in business ventures so I'll just have to disagree.
Maybe you have evidence otherwise ? (But I'll upvote your response)
Benb-I appreciate the reply and I gave you an upvote for it. I definitely recognize that trolls and disinfo agents frequent this site and I hate them just as much as the rest of you. Like I said, I am new to posting but definitely not new to ZH.
As you said, we can disagree on Mike Adams. Although I will concede that he is a highly intelligent person, I just severely question his motives.
Take it easy.
Here is the links to Mike Adams:
http://mike-adams-scam-artist.blogspot.com/2011/12/mike-adams-scam-artist.html#comment-form
This guy worked with Mike Adams before and composed a 10 page diatribe about his shady practices:
http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/616-special-report-the-legend-of-mike-adams-and-the-reality.html
Here is one more for your reading pleasure:
http://mike-adams-scam-alert.blogspot.com/2012/11/mike-adams-scam-alert.html
Sounds like you are definitely a plant, spweing out anti-semetic comments as cover. If people here bought that, they are fools. You seem too educated to be such a bigot, plus coming on ZH to comment after all of these years, you would think you would have used the opportunity to do sometihing other than come on just to discredit Natural News by saying the guy's "just out for money". All news organizations have to make money somewhere to operate, non-profits also need to get money somewhere. The need for money can be obviously lead to all kinds of corruption, but this is an overly simplistic argument, and as such, used constantly to discrdit any voice that questions the official story.
I found your comment rather ignorant as you have made blanket accusations and not done your homework. Feel free to look through all of my other posts. I think you and I would be in agreement more often than not; and many seem to approve of me as I continually receive far more up votes than negative ones.
In regards to my dislike of jews, yes I will freely and unabashedly admit that. I appreciate that you find me educated. One point I will concede to you: I agree that my first post was not the best way to start off on ZH but I just intensely dislike Mike Adams. In hindsight, I should have waited to gain more credibility with the ZH crew before calling people out. But a plant, I am definitely not.
GD double post.
No, it was staged so we could put more troops in Africa.
BF Skinner discovered that it is actually the other way around.
Operant conditioning is for pigeons, just make sure you present the rewards intermittently.
(and no, I didn't raise my daughter in a Skinner box)
I don't know why you would get down votes for that statement.
Notice the complete schizophrenia of the people voting on your comments?
By my reasoning, no one who has recently been in the hot zone should return until after a 30 day quarantine, off shore,
and in the mean time, you and Barry should be locked up with the infected until you learn a few things about eipidemics.
Ya gotta love these "so called" humanitarians who care so much about sick africans, but have no problem risking the life of millions of USSRians. I hope Kaci and the rest of them get ebola and die painfully.
So what's the flip side? Allow the fucking retarded assholes at Doctors without borders (or intelligence for that matter) to make a unilateral call on the well-being of everyone else because they want to suck the dick of the Rockefeller Foundation and come off as "enlightened"? Just so i can give the finger to "the man".
Do you have any kids? Sometimes you have to swallow a shit pill for a greater sanity or at least a lesser insanity. This bitch should be arrested not quarantined. And hey Doctors without Borders, how about some protocols controlling your people in infected areas around the world -- you know with possible extinction event consequences. I could give a shit she was "inconvenienced".
Why are we allowing the narrative to be structured as her being a victim with her civil rights trampled on. She's a dumb-ass scumbag who, I said said above, should be thrown in jail. People who have aids and have sex with other people and not informing them can go to jail. This dipshit is going to get a book deal and talk show circuit money.
Are there any queers in the theater tonight? Get 'em up against the wall!
+ for the Floyd reference.
I wanna go home
Take off this uniform
And leave the show.
But I'm waiting in this cell
Because I have to know.
Have I been guilty all this time?
Really? We are comparing rounding up the gays to a quarantine of a nurse who was in a known hot zone? Well done, you two.
Add to the fact that no one mentioned gays -- just AIDS. And the reference was there because there are laws on the books already for that situation but quarantined Nurse Ebola Nightengale needs to be rallied around.
But then again, seems par for the course for the pussy calling Libertarian pussies.
He is all for the quarantining as long as it doesn't affect his family or friends. It becomes fascism or Marxism or some other evil Ism when it affects him personally.
Epidemics don't care about your rights. We can argue the point of course. Just make sure to cover your mouth while doing it.
In the US, several people have been attacked by bears recently, more than the number infected with Ebola. Not sure about the death rate, though. The government could clearly be doing more to eradicate bears - why aren't they? Why does Obama continue to keep national parks with large bear populations open? I bet outdoor type people are more commonly Republican, than Democrat.
Makes you think.
bears attack only rabid Democrats, particularly under disguise of staunch Republicanism. Ask Steven Colbert
further, your attack on bears makes me think you have something against Bear Papa Bill O'Reilly and Bear Mama Sarah Palin
hey, even eurozoners know that. makes me think you don't know anything about bears and politics
My blood pressure is too high right now.
Now that a few of these Ebolas have crossed our borders, American's brains have turned to oatmeal. Makes them more susceptible to bear attacks, I reckon.
Are you seriously equating bear attacks with a viral infection that can go batshit at any time.
Wow.
Let's not forget that we wouldn't be having this discussion if DWB et al weren't so inept and cavalier with their attitudes. And no I'm not all happy about quarantines but sometimes, in rare cases, the stupidity of humans requires draconian measures. Puritanical libertarianism gets trumped here. Sorry.
Christ, when she announced the other day, Cuomo in NY declared emergency lockdowns in the elementary school with dogs. So my 5 year has to get the shit scared out of her because this DWB bitch wants to fill up her instragram selfie page? And then have the gall to say her rights were violated.
P.S.
New York has extended bear season by the way.
They are also intimating that rounding up the gays is the moral equivalent of imposing a quarantine of a nurse who was treating ebola patients in a hotzone. Can't make this shit up!
No, you're a scared little government loving pussy, that's what I'm saying.
P U S S Y
Get it?
Is that you shooter?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LAnmnS0-9g
There is a scientific basis for the quarantine - i.e. that the disease can remain dormant for up to 42 days. Most people (98%) present with symptoms within 21 days; therefore, a 21 day quarantine is scientifically warranted. Also, 13% of people who are infected do not have fevers, therefore, the protocol of screening for fevers and then letting them back into our society if they do not have one is not sufficient. Furthermore, the scientific community is in disagreement as to whether or not the disease has gone airborne, which would make it much more contagious. But, even the CDC admits that it can be airborne within 3 feet of a person who is infected. If a person without a fever who is contagious is on a crowded bus, subway, plane, or city street, he can spread the disease. A 21 day quarantine to ensure that a person who has engaged in risky behavior by knowingly traveling to a country with a deadly epidemic does not infect others is, therefore, not unreasonable.
I know you're scared, but do you have some scientific basis to say that the disease can be carried by someone who tests negative for it? What about all of the people who were exposed to her? Why not lock them up too? You know, just in case. Because you're scared.
If you have a 21-day quarantine for these people in West Africa before they return, you don't have to worry about quarantining anyone here because they will not have been exposed to ebola. Quarantining the most risky people before they return nips the problem in the bud. Thus, the rights of everyone are protected.
Also, an initial test that they are not symptomatic does not mean that they will not become symptomatic once allowed back into the community - as has happened now with the initial patient, the NY doctor, and this 5 year old boy. It makes the most sense to stop the problem in West Africa. That means quarantining anyone who wants to come to this country from an infected country for 21 days BEFORE they are allowed to board a plane.
Who do you suggest should enforce this hypothetical quarantine in "infected countries?"
Since Obama has already sent US military over there anyway, maybe they should enforce the quarantine for anyone who wants to return. They could build a quarantine facility and those wanting to return to the US would voluntarily enter supervised quarantine for 21 days. Anyone who refuses to be quarantined, can just stay in West Africa until the epidemic has run its course. At least enforcing a quarantine is something that the military would be able to do vs "fighting" the disease, which they have very little training to do.
Flesh this out, your plan intrigues me.
So how many of these facilities do they build? What do they look like? How is it decided that a country must accpet one of these facilities? What if the country says "no?"
Well, I read that "The 101st Airborne officially took command Saturday of the effort to build 17 Ebola treatment units (ETUs) in Liberia with 100 beds each." Maybe one of those units could be used as the quarantine facility for anyone who wants to return to the U.S. They stay there for 21 days and if symptom-free are allowed to board a plane home.
Agree that a quarantine BEFORE boarding is more to the point than after landing.
But this word "scientific" needs to be thrown around a bit less in this discussion. The science is not strong on this organism, simply because it's a biohazard level IV and has the annoying propensity to killing scientists. The precautionary principle well and truly trumps science in this situation. Trying to anticipate what could go wrong, given the weak science. And given that it is considered a biohazard level IV, with a mortality rate over 50% and no solid treatment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle
Agreed. My comment about the science was in response to Let Them Eat Rand's assertion that there was no scientific evidence supporting a quarantine (which is also what Obama keeps saying). I was just trying to point out what is known about the disease - i.e. that the disease can take up to 42 days to present symptoms and that 13% of patients that are infected don't have a fever. This information alone supports a quarantine and shows that the current fever screening protocol is insufficient. Because scientists are not sure right now of how ebola is being spread - i.e. whether it is airborne or not - and because of the high morbidity rate that you cite an abundance of caution is currently necessary.
How about Doctors without Borders? You know the ignats that are the majority of infected cases coming back. But "no one would do DWB if there was an imposed quarantine" is the official response. And everyone has to pay for that. You are conflating general population infections versus Health care worker infections. The latter are supposed to know better because they are definitely in contact with the disease. Why is a quarantine in that situation a violation of civil rights.
Wait till Marburg rears it's ugly head. Oops, already hit Uganda but they have it under control ;) Maybe Ms. Nursey Whineypants can go help out over there. Make another call she is not entitled to about the well being of everyone else.
First Prove that this outbreak isn't a result of so other nefarious means then we may trust the "scientists" again. This smells of weaponization
"do you have some scientific basis to say that the disease can be carried by someone who tests negative for it?"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC139694/
Do you have some scientific basis to say that it cannot?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability
Serious note should be taken that the Rex and LTER don't bother to respond to reasonable posts, only ones where they can try to illicit emotional responses. Interesting, I tested the waters by doing the same back to them and you get nothing but an airball. Good chance they are paid .gov trolls.
That's OK. Other people will read it and draw their own conclusions.
He does not, because little is known about the virus. It's not an issue of being scared, it's an issue of taking the utmost precautions when dealing with a virus that has such a high mortality rate and little is known about its behavior. This video should clear up some of the misinformation because Dr. Osterholm (PhD) and his group have actually gone over the 900 studies of ebola. The conclusion is there is not a lot of understanding of the virus and its modes of transmission. Anyone who claims to know is a liar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkMKUa0sxBQ
"Locking people up with no scientific basis (e.g., even after they test negative for the disease),"
I'm sorry.....what scientific basis? I didn't know you were the epidemiologist that has locked up the science of Ebola once and for all. I await to hear news of your pending Nobel prize, LTER.
Virii mutate in real time. What was once true about transmissions vectors and timelines for symptoms change. And they change faster than conventional scientific observation and wisdom.
Did this nurse get shitty treatment? Damn skippy she did. A forehead scanner. What a crock of shit to be taking an accurate temperature. They only use that because it's cheaper than using and disposing of hundreds if not thousands of oral thermometers which ALWAYS give more accurate readings than a temporal scanner. Temporal scanners are quick....but not as accurate.
So.....they put her in quarantine on an erroneous reading. Yeah....that sux. Too bad. There's your government response for ya. You don't like......yell at your Congress-critter. Don't sue. You knowingly went to a viral hot zone. You're boyfriend doctor went to a viral hot zone. You swapped spit and other bodily fluids. He comes down with Ebola. And you expect America to now roll over and kiss your ass ?
Could it have been done better.....kinder and gentler for you? Sure. But stop your whining and bitching about your civil rights. Ebola does not give a shit about your civil rights.....or mine. Mandatory quarantines are the way to go here if we are hell bent on not restricting travel rights coming and going out of these virii infested hell holes.
But stop your whining and bitching about your civil rights.
That's all you needed to say.
Look in the mirror the next time you say it.
I just did asshole. You bring home a deadly virus and infect a loved one.....you think you're loved one is going to give a shit about your civil rights when her civil right to "live" at all much less free could be put in jeapordy by death?
If I was there in Ebola-land and and was working with patients, you're damn straight I would put myself in quarantine either there in Africa before coming home or if they refused and I went home I would announce to the nearest authority to put me in quarantine immediately. That's called responsibility. That's what my fellow citizens deserve. Not some selfish bullshit Ayn Rand, "fuck everybody else" style of libertarianism.
Well.....lookee here. Now it's the soldiers' turn
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-outbreak-u-s-soldiers-returning-from-l...
Good for Italy.
You stink of fear.
Pussy.
You stink of bravado.
Prick
Hiding at home with your guns?
Get out and do something, you revolutionary!
Never mind - do what gov says and you'll be safe.
Idiot.
Glad to hear your an expert on my Civil Rights.
Ever done a google search before?
Ever even heard of google?
Look up the term "viral shedding" and ask yourself "how can someone who is " asymptomatic" (meaning you show no symptoms of having Ebola) can in fact be speeding this thing like wildfire.
Oh and...yes I do prefer my doctors living actually.
How many people have contracted Ebola in the US?
And you're ready to give up your cherished rights out of fear?
How stupid/authoritarian are you?
Look up the term "pussy" and ask yourself "how did I become such a big one?"
"And you're ready to give up your cherished rights out of fear?"
That's cute. "Cherished" . I don't see you picking up the gun and starting the next Revolution. So who is the pussy ?
Rights are acquired and maintained through one thing and one thing only. Bloodshed. That's the only way you obtain them from the original despots and that's the only way you wrest them back from the new despots that always spring from the ashes of the old despots.
Besides.....there will never be rights......like there aren't any now. There are only permissions. As long as financiers and bankers exist and they can buy rights from politicians that are supposed to be protecting yours.....there will never be rights.
Only permissions.
But just stay behind your keyboard spouting fake bravado and horseshit about rights that do not exist. If they are so cherished....then die for them. Otherwise....accept your fate and shut the fuck up.
You got nothing but fear.
I'm sorry.
And you've got nothing but fake bravado and bullshit. Tons of each.
Fuck you. You did absolutely nothing today to bring back freedom to the country.....like you did nothing yesterday and you will do nothing tomorrow.
Except verbally masturbate on this fucking website. You and me and everyone else are owned. You may not like it. You may REALLY, REALLY hate it. But just telling someone they stink of fear is a REAL pussy way of going about restoring freedom. In fact, if that's all you can muster.....then you're the pussy.
But hey.....I'll be waiting to see your name in the headlines as America's Freedom Fighter fuck breath. If the story doesn't include details of your death.....then you ain't doing shit for freedom. And even then......you'll be branded a terrorist, your family will disown you or themselves become pariahs in the community and the fucking Bankster led country will move on as if you never existed.
So in the end......you still didn't do shit.
When are they expecting the number of cases to hit a million? I keep forgetting if it is to be at the end of 2014 or the end of 2015. We can't keep Ebola out of North America when there are only 10,000 cases. With a million cases in Africa, there is absolutely no hope of keeping Ebola out of North America, none.
Quarantine is a legit tool to try to keep down the number of infected. But hey, maybe you'll survive being infected when your turn comes.
LTER You realize the obola regime has relaxed visa requirements across the board to allow as many west Africans as possible to enter the country? All of them are guaranteed to overstay their visa and remain in the country illegally. But then obola will grant them amnesty and voila! Instant new democrat voter base. And so what if a few Americans die? At this point, what difference does it make right?
All the crap coming from obola and his progressive criminal drones is a big headfake to hide the crime of open borders.
Same thing with the open southern boarder. Americans are dying by the thousands of illegal alien crime and disease willfully and intentional imported by the obola regime because regular law abiding American citizens will no longer support progressive criminals infesting the FEDGOV.
This is open war against American citizens by the obola regime criminals. Good to know that you are ok with that.
Grimaldus
Government has no legitimate function.
The only legitimate role of govt. is a common defence, including against
deadly communicable diseases,They cannot even do that competently it seems.
The Patriot Act was passed thanks to the same reasoning and similar "save me from the boogieman!" pussydom by the population.
This is my huge problem with libertarians. You push the right buttons, and they respond just like everybody else. I guess that just means they aren't the Übermenschen, after all.
I'm not surprised at all... Ask ten people of any political allegiance and you will get ten different responses... All depends on a person's perspective of reality... In this case, YES, 73% of Americans say it is the government's responsibility to control the borders and to prevent a pandemic from entering the country... WTF does it matter which party to you are a member... I'm so sick and tired of partisan politics I could puke...
I'm sick and tired of claims of ideological purity and superiority, I don't give a fuck about parties or flags.
Oh, and democracy (73%) is bad - I learned that on ZH.
KEEP FEAR ALIVE!
ideological purity and superiority is like virginity. a very good thing, for a while, but do you really want to keep it forever? is that a grown-up thing to do?
Well after you puke, don't tell the closest person to call your Liberian girlfriend, the one who just got back caring for her sick uncle.
pods
This thing could be tough on librarians too, because there is a bell curve, and thus a segment of the population who will fear them, justifiably in their "minds".
Do Libertarians stop for red lights?
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But wasn't the Patriot Act repealed by the progressives? er....wait........ no they went apeshit with it didnt they?
Grimaldus
Out of " an abundance of caution", the Traitor in Chief is making sure this thing goes global.
Libtard logic.
I'm getting confused with the term "Libtard."
Does it refer to Libertarians?
Shouldn't it be "Libertard?"
Like: "Look at that Libertard begging for fascist face stomping! Scare them right, and you can get them to do anything!"
Bob: "Hey Joe, that woman just tested negative for Ebola but that guy over there wants to throw her in camp FEMA anyway because he's scared and stuff."
Joe: "fucking Libertard."
Is that the same woman who ran a red light, but it's OK because she didn't see any cross traffic?
Or is it the one who broadsided her because she didn't think it was dark enough to have her lights on and anyway, most of the time she sees pretty good without them?
Libtard? I have seen used against both Liberals and Libertarians. I presume for some there is no difference
but do explain what a damn Eurotard is supposed to be. is it applicable to Americans, Europeans or both?
It just means "gay."
"Eurotrash" is the correct term.
As in "Eurotrash comfort woman".
It's only a game until someone gets an eye put out.
That authoritarian cartoon from yesterday should have included a hypochondriac.
The best part of it is that Christie's law was imposed without the slightest democratic process, based on political expediency (to reassure the population that he's got this). I would have expected at least a majority here to cry foul, but I guess we know where most of these little sheeple really stand. The minute the chips are down, they lie down like children afraid of a ghost and ask big brother to suspend all rights of affected citizens based on the tiniest chance that testing negative for the disease may not mean she doesn't have it (and based on no science, just fear).
On the sunny side of the street,
the damn thing is going to run the table in New York.
Yeah, Beer!
And democracy is bad, anyway; let's not forget that.
It's dangerous. And scary. Someone may get hurt.
Crossing the street is dangerous, but I do it every day.
Not without looking both ways though. Even on a one way street.
Ahhh, from Boston I see?
pods
Yeah Rand, doesn't Christie know that the executive branch can't just make up law as it goes along??? Thankfully the Obama administration is still here to stop such madness from taking root.
That fat fuck clearly knows who he's taking orders from, huh?
Well, Christie is a progressive, after all. He damn sure isn't a consitutional conservative now is he?
Crime is what progressives do. You are kinda ok with that too, arent you?
Grimaldus
Thanks, couldn't say it better myself.
Only a stunning disregard for context could possibly justify your statement.
On one hand we have a nurse who not only went into a plague zone, but by the nature of her work was in sustained contact with plague victims - contact which has cost the lives of (allegedly) over 200 health workers.
On the other hand, you have the gov insisting it has the right to seize anybody they claim they "reasonably expect" to have had contact with Ebola. Sounds good, until you realize the perfect pretext for grabbing inconvenient individuals and claiming "reasonable expectations". Breitbart? Hastings?
There does seem to be plenty of evidence the gov wants to control everything but itself.
And the court will affirm the state's right to intern people without due process.
Great.
This is not a criminal or political incarceration. Even old testament laws support these quarantines. Stop comparing apple or oranges. She is not being punished but apperantly wants to punish others
They have stuff on everybody. Check this out:
Ex-CBS reporter: Government agency bugged my computer
Of course it's a waste of time, it's politics, duh.
Of course TPTB always have shit on their minions, thats why they jump when ordered and ask how high on the way up.
A while back I remember that Gov Chris "Where are the Donuts" Christie was suppose to be the savior of the Repub Party. Holy crap, even the Repubs are idiots.
If there are remnants of any krispy kreme donuts on her hand, hell yes he will shake her hand.
Fact is he'll probably eat it.
Christie swallows ova my Jim again
Exactly. It should just be a part of the fucking process. Why does the CDC follow any protocols at all? I mean, what an inconvenience they must be. They should just work on the spanish flew at their local starbucks.
Fuck Obola and the Christie cream donut. These fuktards are the crisis.
What about those nut jobs who travel to places with a highly communicable pandemic that kills 70% of the people that get it... Like New York City?
How this shit is decided now will have a serious impact on how the on the splatter pattern if the shit hits the fan.
"once you decide to travel to a place with a highly communicable pandemic"
what about if she was on a classified assignment?
Oh FFS, she never came in contact with ebola patients. She was just carrying the clipboard.
Absolutely agree with you Keyser. Any medical professional that decides to work in Africa needs to understand that a mandatory quarantine is part of the deal. The audacity of this narcissistic twat is mind boggling.
She has the right to travel to Africa if she so desires, but she does not possess the right to potentially infect other people with a disease that has 50%-70% mortality rate.
She came back to the US symptom free. An idiot with the TSA used a forehead thermometer that read 101*. Everyone panicked in unison. She was escorted to the hospital with a half dozen keystone cop cars. Once at the hospital, they took her temp. both ways. They got a normal reading the old fashioned way. The doctor agreed she had no symptoms. We don't need to empower the gov. anymore!
FEMA camps, here we come!
Did you forget your /sarc tag?
But try to use your incredibly short attention span to follow this logic: our friendly NYC doctor, you know the one that banged his girlfriend, rode the subway and went bowling, had no temperature when he arrived back in the US from his African Ebola Tour. So I guess he doesn't have Ebola either. Someone be sure to let the staff at Bellvue know that there is no need for hazmat suits, the guy didn't have a fever at the airport, so its all clear!
If that happenuks she should be charged with attempted murder
If that happenuks she should be charged with attempted murder
He caved into Drudge. The Drudgeport posted her story as the top headline the last few days. Nobody would have known about her story if he hadn't done that.
Power to the 'ol interwebs...really puts the pressure on these gov-scumbags.
Edit: However...I wasn't trying to say this was entirely the correct thing to do. These ebola doctors have been acting extremely wreckless in going over there and then coming back without quarantining themselves in Africa first for at least 3 weeks.
The NYC doctor, whoever the hell he really is...still not sure he's not just some false flag crisis actor yet...but anyway...what the hell is with that fucking guy??? As a doctor, who int he hell does he think he is by flying on a jet with hundreds of people back from Africa with ebola and then what does he do???? He sleeps with his g/f, he rides around in a cab, the subways, goes to a fucking bowling alley???? Really?
As far as I'm concerned this guy must be some kind of psycho-bio-terrorist for doing shit like that and he should be quarantined until he fucking dies from ebola.
And what's with labeling him as some brave fucking hero????? I'd call him an attempted murder for deliberately doing everything he's done. Those aren't the actions of a sane and responsible medical professional in any way that I can think of.
Sounds more like he's got a 12 Monkeys complex and wants to expose the world to ebola before he bleeds out.
I agree with Drudge on this one. So a governor decides unilaterally to create an arbitrary 21 day rule with no protocols whatsoever, no due process, no scientific basis (e.g., you test negative, you get released), without any action by the representatives in the state legislature, all so he can say he's doing something even if there's no science behind it, and all of the pretend libertarians on this site go nuts IN FUCKING FAVOR OF IT!
Actually this site is full of fascist fucks like you, but don't let that get in the way of creating your strawman agrument.
The faux libertarians here are doing all of the work for me in showing their true colors. If you think I'm making a strawman argument, you may want to read what your fellow posters are saying including wanting the nurse who risked her own life to help others, to die for daring to be freed from camp FEMA after testing negative for the disease. I haven't seen this many pussies in one place since I went browsing at the local animal shelter.
LTER, the problem is that she can test negative and still have it. That is the problem. The virus titer has to be above a certain threshold in order for it to show up. She can have it and test negative.
A proper quarrantine would be 21 days, test, release. Nothing libertarian about it. If you might be infected with something that could be communicable, your enty in the country can and should be regulated. That is why there are borders and a government. If you think libertarians are against government, well, get the government to stop using a private script and return all that was stolen over the last 100 years or so.
pods
It just blows my mind how scared people get about everything, and how effective the government, MSM and even ZH (which posts more Ebola stories than just about anyone), is at convincing even people who self-proclaim as libertarians to go crying to government and roll over out of fear.
I can see that. I go back and forth on whether this bug is bad or not in terms of calamity and pandemic. It is serious for who gets it, that is for sure.
But to NOT screen/quarantine those entering into this country from the afflicted areas is madness. And since blood titer can be low even if you do have it, a quarantine makes sense. Make them wait 21 days, take a test, go about your way. By 21 days, if you are infected, you are going to test positive. Like I said before, the only argument is that the rules changed after they left.
Even if it only kills 10k people in the US, if it gets into the wild the US is done economically. And that will suck dog balls for those of us who know the collapse is coming but see how the collapse is blamed on this when in fact it is our exponential currency. So we could see a government gain MORE power. Almost like my avatar's movie with the St. Mary's virus.
pods
Fear is a basic emotion for a reason: It leads to the avoidance of unnecessary risk taking. Sure, it can be taken too far - but hemorrhagic fevers are not to be trifled with.
Put another way, being cautious is good while being panic stricken/hysterical or complacent/fool-hardy are both bad.
Ever hear of "lifeboat ethics?" The issues at play here are similar.
Since that disease has never been a problem outside of the tropics, that means it needs a humid, tropical environment to survive. Yet, the MSM is already saying just the opposite(spreads better in dry climate) in order to foment panic! I'll bet, when the fly comes along(Dec-Jan), they'll blame those deaths on Ebola.