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Symptomatic 5-Year-Old Boy Tested For Ebola At Bellevue Hospital After Returning From West Africa
Following a weekend in which the condition of the Ebola-diagnosed doctor currently being treated at Bellevue hospital, Craig Spencer, reportedly deteriorated, the NY Post which first broke news of Spencer's condition last week reported several hours ago that NY may have its second Ebola case after a 5-year-old boy, who just returned from West Africa, was transported to Bellevue Hospital for testing with possible Ebola symptoms, according to law-enforcement sources.
According to the Post, the child was vomiting and had a 103-degree fever when he was carried from his Bronx home by EMS workers wearing hazmat suits, neighbors said. “He looked weak,” said a neighbor.
“He was really, really out of it.”
And while under ordinary circumstances this most likely would have been just extraordinary precautions due to a bad case of the flu, in this case the risk factor is that the boy returned with his family from Guinea Saturday night. As a result, five members of the family were being quarantined inside their apartment, sources said.
And while we await to learn if NYC has its second confirmed Ebola patient, the algos' attention next turn to Japan, where moments ago NHK reported that a man who visited Liberia for 2 months and traveled to Japan via Belgium and U.K., and exhibiting a low-grade fever was undergoing tests for Ebola after entering Japan via Haneda airport.
NHK added that the man appears not to have had any contact with Ebola patients, according to Japan’s health ministry, but then again this is Japan: the country that lied about everything related to the Fukushima disaster, so one is best advised to ignore, and in fact assume the opposite of whatever government officials state.
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obola is pleased
Only a matter of time before Ebola is cited as the reason for a weak Christmas shopping season. Then next year we can blame it on several million fewer consumers.
STILL no travel restrictions.
Obama packing them in before he signs Amnesty E.O.
"Come to the light. All are welcome in the light." (Creepy little medium in 'Poltergeist')
We have to accept the diseased.....it's our duty.
No worries.....we've got our best lawyers on this.
Quarantined in an apartment. The problem with someone living above you is the possibility that they over flow the toilet. Under normal cicumstances its completly disgusting.. Can you imagine?
There is in Tokyo a liberian guy in the Hospital suspected of ebola, this will make commuting in those crowded trains so much more interesting, worst case scenario will mean the trains will be half full in a few months, one way or the other.
There won't be a single Jap walking around Tokyo without one of those face shields those polite little people are so fond of wearing when they get the sniffles.
obamas son?
It might be in Tokyo? They're pretty polite over there........
Ebolasan.
I have said it since the very start of this mess, the min a school aged child gets #Ebola and dies from it this place will go #FullRetard!!!!!!!
And we never want to go full retard.........
Those masks DO NOT BLOCK MICROBES OR AEROSOLS. It says so on every package. They only block some larger allergens like dirt and sawdust. You might as well put a window screen over your face.
Here is an exclamation point to your post, GZG!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko6fTdnjiS8
DaddyO
Screw Jeb Bush.....let's get Trey!
Why can't anyone ever just answer Trey's questions?
I sense Dr Lurie is going to be a front runner for the next Supreme Court opening.
Trey being a former prosecutor has the uncanny knack for drilling right down to the heart of the matter. This has the chilling effect of making the witness squirm uncontrollably, obfuscate and otherwise run the opposite direction from the truth.
Dr. Lurie, while being a loyal foot soldier, has not the intellectual polish that Obola will require for such a nomination.
DaddyO
What kind of fucking parent is taking their 5 year old kid to West Africa in the middle of the worst Ebola outbreak EVER??
One who sees no wrong in reliance on the state for all their healthcare, social and physical needs.
They would be the ultimate poster child for the FSA.
DaddyO
I think that with a 50%+ mortality rate, the price of healthcare isn't really the issue.
Yeah but, try explaining that to a 'Do Gooder' - Good luck with that
At least abstain from eating fruit bats and monkeys for a while, even if it is an integral part of your culture.
The same one that lives 6 in an apartment.
Agenda 21, foreign national style...
DaddyO
I'm self-restricting.
No, because the Obola has pressured states like N.Y. to relax quarantines, because we couldn't have anything affect the upcoming elections, or the directive of the great Obola, no siree..
So the Obola Administration [at the behest of the financial lobby], has now placed the election season as being parmount to our nation's safety...think about it..the absurdity of th statement that this would provide a disincentive to combat EBOLA in Africa, so its okay to let folks like this moron doctor roam around spreading good cheer in bowel-ing alleys and he lke
Obola-care, its not jus for breakfast aymore
The Obola only cares about pushing the Agenda, so we are now in for a shit storm
This is false. And as these States begin to push back against Federal authority new fronts in the real war on terror will open.
The egg nog this year's gonna be delish.
Christie has folded and will release the nurse to finish her quarantine at home. We've seen how well that works.
Regarding the good Dr. Craig, this is a quote from the recent issue of Threat Journal:
Things That Make You Go Hmmm....
According to the latest information from the CDC, the average time between exposure and
the onset of symptoms is 8-10 days. If news reports are correct, the doctor left Guinea on
Oct.14 via Brussels, arrived back in the U.S. on Oct. 17, and only began showing symptoms
on October 23rd (9 days after leaving Africa).
This raises an interesting question:
Was the doctor's travel back to the U.S. at this time because he was aware that he had a critical
exposure incident, or is it just a coincidence that he happened to get sick after traveling on
an itinerary set weeks or months prior?
Hmmm.....
http://www.threatjournal.com/archive/tj10252014.html
No need for travel restrictions, now that the New York "quarantine" rules are in place:
NYT: New York "quarantine" guidelines:
Family members will be allowed to stay, and friends may visit with the approval of health officials.
Also, parties will be strictly limited to 100 people, all of whom must reside within 10 miles of the home of the suspected Ebola carrier.
In addition...
Hile Obola!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/27/troops-ebola-italy_n_6054708.html
U.S. Soldiers Quarantined In Italy After Returning From Aiding Ebola Patients@ no debt
That excuse, plus the fact that sometimes there is cold weather and snow during winter time should make for a nice excuse for the next shitty GDP print. Cuz it's definitely NOT the fact that the economy is shot and consumers have no money. Our leaders have assured us of this...
I forgot all about cold weather. We're so hosed on this.
What is this "cold weather" of which you speak?
That was the excuse for the extremely Negative Q1 GDP print...the Cold Weather last winter.
It looks like Ebola might be the cure for those mad stampedes/crushes one witnesses at Walmart when the sales are on.
Or am I too hopeful that Ebola could crush those animal spirits of spenders?
Santa diagnosed with Ebola?
Oh fuck
One too many ho's in Liberia.
Yes, in "the new dismal" there will always need to be a meme.
Last year it was "the weather", this year it will probably be "the ebola".
Dismal.
Sad but true.
5 year olds don't have running noses and always wash their hands. They rarely touch anything that doesn't belong to them. Whew.
he can go stay at obola's place imo
If Obama had a son, he might look like him.
For what other situation that involves a deadly hazard is it acceptable to have a reaction plan instead of a prevention plan ?
In this case, not only is the adminstration not going to act, they don't want the states to act either.
Holder should step in any minute now to bar the states from imposing quaranties.
"Ebola is hard to catch" is starting to sound like the old tobacco company claims that there is no proof that cigarettes are bad for your health.
Ounce of prevention
No cure
What cigarette do you smoke, Doctor?
That you can convince people that inhaling smoke isn't possibly bad for them and can actually be good for them perfectly demonstrates human stupidity and gullibility.
Great invisible grey beared sky-man - need I say more? Convincing people that inhaling smoke is good for them seems positively intelligent in comparison.
Back when caveman saw lightning and heard thunder, caveman was scared and couldn't explain it.
Must have been the act of an angry god.
YAY! YAY! The atheists are here~! And look at his name, isn't he something? He really parades his sexual perversion out there for all of us to pity. Only hard core sexual perverts mention their hatred of God at the drop of a hat. Good luck with your infection.
Um, catholic priest, little boys, need I say more
or that you can convince people that buying carbon credits from goldman sachs will save the earth...
Sun Tzu wrote first you attack the spirit, then you attack the mind, then you attack the body. If you are separated from knowing who you are on a deep level then you are controllable. If you don't know that you need salt in your diet to live, then the person who does know has an advantage over you. It is not an accident that you have been misled.
If you want to really understand what it is to be misled then watch The Unbearable Truth - Christianity Is A Lie.
Indeed, watch this thing spread like wildfire once it gets into childrens schools! young kids are a real weak spot in containing this, god help them and god help all of us.
Please Do Not Worry. Ebola only spreads from contact with bodily fluids.
Which bodily fluids? is it only blood, shit and vomit, or does it include sweat, snot, skin oils, spit?
How long can Ebola stay active in a sneeze droplet on a door handle?
Inquiring minds want to know.
The Bill of Rights is not a suicide pact.
And it is a uniquely American construct - despite this unexceptional president's claims otherwise.
"unexceptional president"
+100
"Unexceptional" implies average.
This fuckwit-in-chief is way below average.
exceptional in my lexicon refers to magnitude, not direction, of the deviation from average.
When did he get "upgraded" to a fuck-wit
I disagree. Obama has been an extremely effective President. Of course you may not like how effective he has been...
He has centralized control and consolidated the power base to the White House, demonstrating the absolute irrelevance of the US Congress.
He has done more to set himself up as "The Decider" than Bush could have ever achieved.
He is your dictator after all.
So Hail to the Chief. Praise the dictator. He is the embodiment of the Savior of Mankind....
As I wrote you may not like the results...AND NEITHER DO I LIKE THE RESULTS.
BUT WHAT YOU OR I LIKE OR DISLIKE DOES NOT CHANGE THE TRUTH.
So do you really think that it would have been any better under that sychophant Romney, or, anyone else?
NOT A FUCKING CHANCE.
ANYONE WHO PLACES THIER FAITH AND TRUST INTO A CRIMINAL GOVERNMENT...AS THIS GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN CRIMINAL WELL, WELL BEFORE OBAMA...IS A FOOL.
THEY ARE CERTAIN TO BE DISAPPOINTED BECAUSE OF THIER OWN POOR JUDGMENT AS TO THE LOCATION WHERE ONE'S FAITH BELONGS.
THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS...NONE...NADA...ZILCH...NONE.
So you must take care of yourself and OPT OUT.
so...atomize the resistance?
The political resistance lays the groundwork for the real dictator, the one who's going to dig Obama out of whatever Islamic nation is hiding him, so that we can 'torture some folks' and find out how thoroughly we have been compromised.
Land of laws and no freedom left behind.
That's exactly the kind of talk you will here out of our rulers, you sound like a good little fascist. They will declare new rules that they have over us and our ability to move around the country. We will be told they are temporary, just for the 'emergency' and then they will keep those powers forever. At that point the mask will come off, and what many of us have known for years will be laid bare for all to see: the bill of rights and the constitution are dead.
the Bill of Rights is the first 10 Amendments to the US Constitution, isn't it? I just went through them, and I don't find any amendment stipulating a right on the "...ability to move around the country", except if you take the 9th as last ditch defense. In fact, closing international or inter-state or municipal borders during times of national crisis is probably not seen as an infringment
I'm for sure not an expert on the US Constitution, so I might be completely wrong. In such case, please illuminate me
Quarantines, as currently practiced in the US contravene the Due Process Clause of the 5th amendment.
However, Freedom of Movement within the United States is a separate issue falling under Article IV, Section 2, Clause 1 (the Privileges & Immunities Clause) and Crandall v. Nevada and Paul v. Virginia (both of which are interesting and have implications beyond the current discussion)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_movement_under_United_States_law
UR, thanks, as usual your contribution is incomparable. I've found this, in the linked wiki article:
"The right to travel is a part of the 'liberty' of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment. If that "liberty" is to be regulated, it must be pursuant to the law-making functions of the Congress. . . . . Freedom of movement across frontiers in either direction, and inside frontiers as well, was a part of our heritage. Travel abroad, like travel within the country, . . . may be as close to the heart of the individual as the choice of what he eats, or wears, or reads. Freedom of movement is basic in our scheme of values."
So I'm confused. You mean that quarantines are currently done in form of executive decrees, lacking a proper law from Congress?
"Health and Safety" issues are state thingies and those laws, in general, cannot be overridden by the Feds unless they say the law violates the Consitution, right?
I doubt a court would side with the fed on the health and safety issue in this case if the state declares an emergency ... but one never knows.
wanna bet, obola care (aca) is now a tax thanks scotus roberts..anything is legal in a corrupt country.
"I doubt a court would side with the fed on the health and safety issue"
Its not like the Feds are trying to stop the spread of this thing...let alone trying not to fan fears.
The panic is being caused by the Administration's response. "Democracy is not a suicide pact." This is not about "the interstate commerce act." There is nothing the Federal Government can or will do should States intervene to protect their citizens.
Not executive decrees per se, the argument of the freedumb-folks is that the individual is deprived of liberty by the executive, without any legal proceeding/due process/check & balance by the judiciary. The argument against the freedumb-folks is that they are not being denied habeus corpus, so they are free (to have their lawyers) petition a court for a remedy on their behalf (for a hefty legal fee - so it really can be good to be banksta).
US law is such a mess that it really does require a roadmap, not just reading, and the edumacation system in the USSA doesn't help. In my second year of university I took a Business Law course for credit (at the same university, but with a different professor) that I had sat through as a five-year old many years before (back when "day care" was an obstacle to overcome, not an industry). I learned more the first time around.
I'm not an expert either. But urban redneck explained it pretty well. 'During times of national crisis', as you wrote, is the excuse constantly used to grow government. My main point above, which cannot be stressed enough, IMO, is that they declare a crisis, and make new rules and give themselves new powers that are supposed to exist 'until the conclusion of the current emergency' but these new rules/powers/programs never completely go away. It's the ratchet effect
ex: Patriot Act
The 9th amendment IS what applies, and certainly not as a last ditch effort.
The Constitution was a framework by which the people delegated part of their authority to a central government. The BOR was added because people were nervous. Hamilton (irony) made a fine argument that including the BOR would infer that rights are declared. (See Federalist 84) This differed from earlier thinking (magna carte) which listed rights people had. The founders decided that rights are innate, and need not be listed. The BOR polluted that thinking.
The constitution was about granting powers to a government, nothing about limiting the people. Adding the BOR led future governments to imply that rights not mentioned did not exist.
Constitution was turned around on the people by the very thing they thought would ensure their liberty.
Pains me to say this, but Hamilton was right.
Say, gun control laws. We hide behind the 2nd amendment, but the original constitution gave no authority to congress to legislate in this regard. Why need an amendment if there is no authority to begin with?
pods
I agree, in principle, the Constitution is supposed to be shackle on government (power). Despite the claims of Madison, and others ("If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary...), the Constitution's effective implementation does require at least men of goodwill if not honor (i.e., men who take their oaths seriously and whose word is bond); otherwise, it's just words with no binding power at all.
Franklin's lament is appropriate and poignant in this connection:
“I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such: because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well administered; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administered for a Course of Years and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”
—Benjamin Franklin, 1787
No it isn't expressly written in the bill of rights. It is however in Article IV, Section 2 and has been upheld by the Supreme Court to mean a right of free ingress and egress between states.
Read more about it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privileges_and_Immunities_Clause#Right_to_t...
All rights belong to we the people as individuals, whether you believe those rights were endowed to you by God or by nature. The Constitution only delegates certain limited powers to the federal goverment so that it can provide for the common defense, establish justice, ensure domestic tranquility, and promote the general welfare. In this instance, there are competing individual rights - the rights to life of the people of the US who have not knowingly exposed themselves to a deadly disease vs the rights of those who have traveled to West Africa and knowingly exposed themselves to a deadly, contagious disease to return home. IMHO, the right to life ALWAYS trumps all other rights because you cannot have any other rights unless you first have a right to life. Because the right to life is primary, the lives of Americans who have not knowingly exposed themselves to a deadly disease must be protected over the right to travel of those who have knowingly exposed themselves to a deadly disease. Additionally, we have a situation where the rights of people who have not engaged in risky behavior are in competition with the rights of people who have engaged in risky behavior. Justice demands that the rights of those who have not engaged in risky behavior be protected over the rights of those who have of their own free will engaged in risky behavior. Furthermore, to ensure domestic tranquility and protect the general welfare, the government should act to keep disease and death from our shores. Finally, in this case, the right of those to travel can also be protected with a reasonable restriction - i.e. they should be allowed to return to this country after having been quarantined symptom-free for 21 days in West Africa.
If the administration pushes back too hard on the State's right to quarantine, will it cause the breakup of the USA?
It is an exercise of the most fundamental power which we entrust to government: the protection from invasion. In this case, the invaders are microscopic but no different in principle than an invading army. Failure to protect from invasion vitiates everything else including the people themselves, their culture, and their government.
Is this a slow motion crash we are witnessing?
<Santa's bring Ebola for Xmas.>
I'm just looking forward to watching the news on Black Friday and watching people in Tyvek suits fighting over a new tv. That shit will be hilarious.
Even better, with so many stores opening Thanksgiving day we can switch between the football game and CNN live broadcast of those Tyvek suited shoppers. I'm dreaming of a Tyvek Christmas.
As they shove past eachother to get in the doors of the local WalMart they'll look like a bunch of toppling bowling pins.
Because bowling.
Black Friday.....everyone will be lining up for a free dose of ebola.
If no one attends Black Friday.....it will be the final nail in economy......damn these guys are good.
Just a little something we like to call total transformation.
These cats are all fundaMENTAL
Actually I have envisioned the scared sheeple turning to Amazon for their Christmas shopping needs in hope of safety when, unbeknownst to them, throngs of West African immigrants are packing and delivering their gifts. I'm certain they would work for scant wages to leave their nightmarish situation and this country certainly is acting as if this Ebola threat is inconsequential.
I plan to stay at home, eat the turkey and the vegetables I raised and relax with my friends and family on our little farm. What thanksgiving should be. Why people feel the need to riot and consume one another during some pathetic frenzy over a stupid piece of junk destined for a landfill is beyond me.
Miffed
I went tyvek shopping and a football game broke out -- or was it: I went to a football game and tyvek shopping broke out -- me so confused! :>D
Hopefully not too many more cases prior to the Halloween parties so that at least we can keep it sexy.
Shit, is that an Ebola tent or is someone camped out to buy an iPhone?
That's a good way to describe it - a slow motion crash. It's not the sheer number of actual ebola patients that will constitute the crisis in America, it's the death by a thousand cuts overwhelming of the health care system, interrupted/slowed commerce and quarantined "folks".
How many actual ebola patients will it take to overwhelm the health care system?
Just as it is not Ebola that kills the person but the body's immune response that does, so would the reaction of the people to fear of Ebola rather than the Ebola itself that would tumble the house of cards. Imagine how many people would show up at the ER with the flu demanding they be treated for Ebola.
And we don't think this is EXACTLY what TPTB want as a smoke screen for financial collapse. Remember, the psycopaths running the show have no qualms about killing millions of people as a means to an end. They don't think like normal people. If a hundred million deaths got them off the hook it's be like yuou and I pouring a cup of tea. There is ZERO empathy and the preservation of their lot, their wealth, their ego surmounts ALL.
Dick Cheney must be pissed that Ebola might get to people before his tactical nuke in Manhattan. The psycopaths are probably having a $10.00 bet as to who can kill the most people and get away with it.
It ain't Dick Cheney you have to worry about...ya fuckstick.
Nice to meet you mrs cheney
"Just as it is not Ebola that kills the person but the body's immune response that does"
LOL - wut?
a virus enters a cell, replicates until the cell is exploded, realsing the new virii. they move on to other cells, repeat. ebola attacks the blood system significantly hence all the bleeding as the cells of the vascular system are destroyed. the immune system creates anti-gens which attack or block the virus's ability to enter new cells by attaching to the virus.
Many infectious disease result in an overactive host immune response.
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/10/21-days/381901/?sing...
"On the second or third days of symptoms, about half of patients develop a skin rash on their face and chest. That coincides with a generalized inflammatory response to the virus in the person’s blood. The blood pressure drops dangerously low. As the virus continues to replicate, the person’s immune system goes further into overdrive. Some of the immune cells receive false signals from the virus that tell them to kill themselves. And so they do. As in AIDS, a person’s white blood cells are destroyed, and the immune system bottoms out. Then, for some, comes the bleeding.
Because the body’s inflammatory response is in overdrive, little blood clots start forming everywhere, blocking tiny capillaries that feed vital organs. The overuse of that clotting material is doubly bad, in that the remaining blood no longer clots normally. Five to seven days after the first symptoms, people begin bleeding from their eyes, throat, and bowels. Without any supportive care, most people are dead from widespread organ failure in another two to three days."
Healthcare system
Lol
it seems as though every system of the gov. are stressed, the very nature of the beast. the conduit between pain and pleasure-(tax and profits from an acomplishment, commonly called work)...
10 or 12.
Its time for doctors to start cash business.
The scary bit seems to be the fact that the percentage of doctors/nurses that are getting infected is far higher than their percentage of the general population.
In other words, we will run out of medical staff before we run out of ordinary citizens etc at this rate.
"...we will run out of medical staff..."
I don't see how that will be a problem; it only requires a team of 70 and one of the less than twenty level 4 pathogen isolation beds in the country to properly treat each case.
I speculated a month or so ago that it would only take a handful in a major metro area, combined with flu season, to completely shutdown the trauma/ER system. The MSF ETUs in Liberia are FAR more antifragile than a first world hospital. Look at the raw amount of resources deployed to treat a single patient. That cannot be scaled.
The smugness of the US HC establishment would be quickly snuffed out when mortality rates approached those of W Africa, not to mention all of the ancillary deaths associated with a broken ER "system".
Insane ideologues are driving the bus, some toxic combination of global citizen ideology and white guilt.
The public health crew doesn't understand tail risk, the DREAMer crew is willing to accept it lest they imperil thier own border erasing initiative.
My guess, a few dozen simultaneous cases away from total systemic collapse.
well that's part of the PLAN, get with it or get run over (as obola said to NJ and NY)
"My guess, a few dozen simultaneous cases away from total systemic collapse"
Speaking of how many, there is one in my city being tested for Ebola, but it is nowhere in the national news. I surmise that if it is happening here, it is happening in many places and we are not hearing about it.
In the comments section of our local paper there was a debate about why it was not national news. Many folks thought that it just was not news worthy any more. Others were more tin hat about it. It's a new normal, same as the old normal, do not be mistaken, WE ARE BEING MANIPULATED. For our own good, of course.
Ebola testing is so common now, it's just not news...
When will that overwhelm the system?
ms, i am sure the cunts on the "view" would be all over it if the news was suppressed..lol
Set up a small specialized clinic to handle these cases instead of subjecting entire hospitals to the threat! Hospitals are losing big money handling Ebola cases from west Africans who have no FUCKING insurance! Idiots! KEEP THEM OUT
I pretty confident that 75% of confirmed US ebola patients have Obolacare-complaint insurance policies.
That said, hospitals are not the correct place to warehouse ebola patients while the dice is rolled on whether they live or die. Even the Africans figured that one out right quick.
Set up a small specialized clinic to handle these cases instead of subjecting entire hospitals to the threat! Hospitals are losing big money handling Ebola cases from west Africans who have no FUCKING insurance! Idiots! KEEP THEM OUT
BRAVO!!
"Hospitals are losing big money handling Ebola cases from west Africans .."
Could it be a bit of karmic retribution for hospitals, many of which lobbied for ObolaCare?
So is NY a voluntary quarantine again? I give it 3 weeks, 10 mores cases, 150 possible exposed then back to mandatory.
A voluntary quarantine is farcical. Someone who suspects they have a fifty percent chance of being alive a month later (the big E) will hit applebees, the clubs, run credit up and enjoy their last week before becoming fully symptomatic. Germ trail everywhere.
A voluntary quarantine is farcical..look we have got to get this infection going, krugman demands more ebola think of the stimulus to our economy for ramped up healthcare spending..the war on ebola er on drugs er on cancer er poverty and hunger..nothing like a good war to boost spending .. and the big enchalata war on terror (fatally wrong headed but this is what .gov does best)
Exactly. Ebola, ISIS, Ukraine.. the way these problems are being managed are largely devoid of common sense and you know what that means - hidden agendas are afoot
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Can we just assume everyone on these flights has ebola and act accordingly? How hard is this?
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
This is why PC will kill us - we can't quarantine a fatal hemorrhagic disease and we can't pick islamic idiots out of a crowd by their distinctive headwear.
United States of America
004 Days of Open Borders with No New Cases of Ebola
Your safety is important to us.
Does Ellis Island still work???
Bingo.
A winner idea !
It sure beats Guantanamo Naval Base.
It has large buildings that can be fitted out and resources.
It might become a leper colony...but what else can be done ?
'Quarantanamo' naval base? Ithankyou ....(Austin powers voice)
If you like your West Africa you must stay in your West Africa.
What he said.
Natural resources?
Guess calling yourself African-American is inviting quarantine ?
I'm rather confused by the double standard here at ZH. Fearmongering post after post is frontlined here as the CDC has been clear that there may be as many as 20 ebola cases diagnosed in the USA each month (as more than 18,000 a year die from the flu). Yet, just as predicted, the threat of actual Ebola outbreak here is almost nil.
Then as ZH stokes fear, there are an equal number of posts complaining about our rights eroding. There is a much better way to promote your ideology than self-fulfilling your own fears and hoping for bad things to happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Lies_Below
http://www.tv.com/shows/fringe/what-lies-below-1316834/
I think the confusion is the fact that illegals are given 'extraordinary' rights and citizens rights are restricted.
It screws with peoples perception of reality - 'twilight zone'.
There is a difference between being "given" rights and deep concern for the human toll caused by enforcing bad laws. They are in fact human beings living accross a man-made border.
Which when weakly enforced results in events such as this... http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article3368389.html
I think most people understand that they are 'human beings', but the fact remains that virtually anyone crossing our borders illegally, meaning they have broken the laws of the USA, are given special rights and status which is not bestowed on the citizens of the USA. Most people in the same position as these illegal aliens would in fact cross the border illegally in the search of a better future but that does not make it right.
The mistake which is made is not addressing the issue legally. When a government becomes the outlaw, citizens are repulsed. One of the primary duties of the Federal government is to secure and protect our borders, not harass the citizens to bring about a political outcome.
Primary should be political and economic pressure on Mexico to address and attack the narco trade which is destroying its country and by proxy the USA, even if it means US military action in Mexico. I am sure the people of Mexico would prefer to stay in their country if there was a chance for a better future.
The 'open' borders is in fact an attack on the rights and citizens of the USA.
But hey... welcome to the USSA.
"I think most people understand that they are 'human beings', but the fact remains that virtually anyone crossing our borders illegally, meaning they have broken the laws of the USA,..."
Come now, we can be more specific than that. It is trespass to enter property that does not belong to you, and to forcibly enter another's property is breaking and entering. Both are crimes at common law.
Were you to awaken to an intruder in your kitchen, eating from your refrigerator and then when asked to leave, the intruder gets indignant, what would you do next? You might start by again asking politely for the intruder to leave. Failing that, things escalate but right is never on the intruder's side.
Border crossers who do so without invitation are trespassers and must leave. If they cross carrying a communicable disease, they must be quarantined. In grey areas, on which side does one rationally err?
"Were you to awaken to an intruder in your kitchen, eating from your refrigerator and then when asked to leave, the intruder gets indignant, what would you do next?"
Actually that has happened to me only to find that we met at the bar earlier that night and couldn't remember her name. Indignant indeed.
Ideology?
Hard to see the common sense approach to restrict travelers from Ebola infected areas to be subject to quarantine before entry into the country as being an ideology.
If it's good enough for vegetables in California...
No deaths reported from broccoli.
See? It works.
How many Ebola cases will it take before the government decides to 'protect' us with Martial Law.
16......because 1+6=7
Exactly, why is this so fucking hard? Why would trendies prefer to snark than to think?
You needn't have a massive outbreak of Ebola in the US to completely destroy the US. Keeping borders wide open to W African nationals and meglomaniac NGO docs is death by 1000 cuts.
How many cases would it take before USAMRIID starts driving the bus? 225 years of civilian government gone in the blink of an eye. So by all means keep snarking "it can't happen here". The millitary regards Ebola as a bioweapon, the officer purge aside I have to believe there is a red line. Would you even know if Obola was relieved of command on this matter? Doubtful.
I can't believe Africa is going to be the death of the Republic.
See also: Ferguson, MO.
Since humans supposedly arose from Africa, seems rather fitting that its demise arise from there.
Obvious once one of them was elected President.
Must keep ebola on the front page... http://www.hermes-press.com/germany1930.htm
Only 250 dead health care workers. Only 5000 dead. Just don't forget this is a diffecult desease to transmit. Dont forget
The word "quarantine" originates from the Venetian dialect form of the Italian quaranta giorni, meaning 'forty days'. This is due to the 40 day isolation of ships and people before entering the city of Dubrovnik in Croatia.This was practised as a measure of disease prevention related to the Black Death. Between 1348 and 1359 the Black Death wiped out an estimated 30% of Europe's population, and a significant percentage of Asia's population. The original document from 1377, which is kept in the Archives of Dubrovnik, states that before entering the city, newcomers had to spend 30 days (a trentine) in a restricted place (originally nearby islands) waiting to see whether the symptoms of Black Death would develop. Later, isolation was prolonged to 40 days and was called quarantine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarantine
The quarantining of people often raises questions of civil rights, especially in cases of long confinement or segregation from society, such as that of Mary Mallon (aka Typhoid Mary), a typhoid fever carrier who spent the last 24 years of her life under quarantine.
The people too dumb to use Google are forever indebted to you.
They finally quarantined Typhoid Mary because after they told her she could not work as a cook she disappeared and went back to her old line of work. They would locate her again because she was at the center of a new outbreak.
If Ebola had a son.....
he would be black?
he would be called Barry?
he would hate every country that ever was involved with colonisation?
Nah. He probably had malaria or typhoid or what ever else Obama uses to cover up his ebola with.
Ebola lie exposed!
http://drsircus.com/medicine/ebola-lie-exposed#utm_source=Dr+Sircus+News...
Claims ebola has never been isolated, and yet the CDC has sequenced and patented it.