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Ebola Discoverer Warns Deadly Virus Will Hit China

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Having previously warned of "an unimaginable tragedy," Peter Piot, one of the scientists who discovered Ebola, has warned that China is under threat from the deadly virus because of the huge number of Chinese workers in Africa. While offering a silver(ish) lining that the pandemic will be over in 6-12 months, Piot stresses "it will get worse before it gets better," and the director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine explained that he "assumes that an outbreak of Ebola in China will happen."

 

As South China Morning Post reports,

One of the scientists who discovered Ebola has warned that China is under threat from the deadly virus because of the huge number of Chinese workers in Africa.

 

Professor Peter Piot also made the grim prediction that Ebola would claim thousands more lives in the months ahead.

 

"It will get worse for a while, and then hopefully it will get better when people are isolated," said Piot, who is in Hong Kong for a two-day symposium. "What we see now is every 30 days there is a doubling of new infections."

 

He estimated the epidemic would last another six to 12 months.

 

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"In Africa, there are many Chinese working there. So that could be a risk for China in general, and I assume that one day [an outbreak of Ebola in China] will happen," said Piot, director of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine.

 

He also said that infection control measures at mainland hospitals were not always "up to standard", which put public health at great risk.

 

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Piot stressed the importance of training people to spot at-risk air passengers before they boarded. And he said voluntary surveillance measures at Chek Lap Kok airport in Hong Kong were not effective enough. "Widespread screening [of arrivals] in airports is not that effective, to be honest … the most cost-effective method is to screen people before they take the plane."

 

A patient feared to have Ebola in Hong Kong tested negative in a preliminary test yesterday. The 39-year-old man, who had been in Nigeria from October 13 to 20, went to Prince of Wales Hospital before being transferred to the Infectious Disease Centre at Princess Margaret Hospital.

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As Piot concluded previously,

Do you think we might be facing the beginnings of a pandemic?

There will certainly be Ebola patients from Africa who come to us in the hopes of receiving treatment. And they might even infect a few people here who may then die. But an outbreak in Europe or North America would quickly be brought under control. I am more worried about the many people from India who work in trade or industry in west Africa. It would only take one of them to become infected, travel to India to visit relatives during the virus's incubation period, and then, once he becomes sick, go to a public hospital there. Doctors and nurses in India, too, often don't wear protective gloves. They would immediately become infected and spread the virus.

The virus is continually changing its genetic makeup. The more people who become infected, the greater the chance becomes that it will mutate ...

... which might speed its spread. Yes, that really is the apocalyptic scenario. Humans are actually just an accidental host for the virus, and not a good one. From the perspective of a virus, it isn't desirable for its host, within which the pathogen hopes to multiply, to die so quickly. It would be much better for the virus to allow us to stay alive longer.

Could the virus suddenly change itself such that it could be spread through the air?

Like measles, you mean? Luckily that is extremely unlikely. But a mutation that would allow Ebola patients to live a couple of weeks longer is certainly possible and would be advantageous for the virus. But that would allow Ebola patients to infect many, many more people than is currently the case.

 

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Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:18 | 5387006 X.inf.capt
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now its bad...

at least they'll show us how to fight an epidemic...

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:20 | 5387022 12ToothAssassin
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*THIS* is what Ebola is all about. Chase the Chiners out of Africa. All the other tangents are just a bonus.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:24 | 5387026 The Juggernaut
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Oh no, the Ebora!

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:31 | 5387060 zaphod
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China will handle Ebola fine, maybe a bit heavy handed, but they will get it under control.

If Ebola spreads to India though, that will be a humanitarian disaster. India is the most crowded country will massive slums. Ebloa could probably spread in sections of India for months and no one would notice, at least until it made it to the upper classes. 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:43 | 5387097 Utah_Get_Me_2
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'maybe a bit heavy handed' Yuh think?

Block all flights. Round up all showing symptoms as well as political dissidents. Probably quarantine them all in one of the ghost cities and commence a fuel-air bombing. And you won't hear a peep out of Xinhua.   

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:46 | 5387107 BrosephStiglitz
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Put two slugs in the heads of the "infected" and charge the families for the bullets.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:52 | 5387127 Four chan
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the chinese need ebola to bring their over population in line.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:00 | 5387165 Divine Wind
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Nothing could be finer

than to find Obola in Chiner

in da morning...

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:27 | 5387265 knukles
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It already is airborne.  Every documented (studied reasonably well, not hypothesized or predetermined) case of the major filoviruses has concluded that it is an airborne beast. 

However. 
As the CDC says, it's not "proven"

Great
Just fucking great.
Some of the most deadly pathogens known to man, and it's not "proven" with 100% clinical certainty.
So let's just fucking punt.

Is it just me or has anybody else noticed how this is going?
The public side is let it spread, for all intents and purposes.
The military side is quarantine the shit.

Huh.
Gubanimty needs the military to control the population which is too big anyhow and should be decreased, so say those in power ans science.
Well, fuckin'-A

Guessie whatie kiddies?

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:55 | 5387388 Stumpy4516
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In which case you have to think they have an effective vaccine or cure that is being kept to themselves.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:09 | 5387439 Publicus
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China aready went through Ebola once in the 1300s, the surviving population is resistant.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:57 | 5387562 Things that go bump
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I think that was the Black Death.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:59 | 5387568 Publicus
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The Black Death is Ebola.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 18:39 | 5387702 Things that go bump
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Plague, or the Black Death is caused by Yersinia pestis bacteria, not the same disease at all. 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 19:38 | 5387950 knukles
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Yrs in a penista?
Oy!

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 22:11 | 5388476 daveO
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Right. Plague is more dangerous. Bacteria evolve faster.

Wed, 10/29/2014 - 10:00 | 5389481 Publicus
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Nope, that is a misconception. The 1300s was Ebola.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:57 | 5387391 Exponere Mendaces
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Yeah, SO airborne that there aren't any tertiary cases in Texas, New York or anywhere else there's been a contained patient. Just the usual "I've been to West Africa" or "I cared for an infected patient". And even THEY are released now. Where are the secondary cases from the healthcare workers? Cause I don't see any.

But hey, lets foam at the mouth and fall backwards, because ZH SURELY this time is RIGHT.

If ZH was right about this being so fucking bad, your neighbor would be puking blood by now. It isn't happening, you'll need to get another crisis to focus on, because this one is about worn out. (Not that you could tell by the amount of stories ZH is flogging for pageviews on it.)

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 18:10 | 5387596 20-20 Hindsight
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@Exponere Mendaces

+1

I'm glad that I'm not the only who thinks that.  

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 19:27 | 5387910 buyingsterling
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Easy to figure out:

1. Virus transmits trough touch or aerosol - this is consistent with the dallas nurses, Brantley, Igonah, and (to my knowledge) every other doctor or western worker who got it - none have any idea how they 'violated protocol'. And CDC has updated it's definitions to include aerosol spread, and without a disclaimer.  .BUT

2. It doesn't seem to be highly infectious until the patient is really debilitated. But then it is REALLY contagious.

Sounds good and manageable. But assumes 1. present mutation rate (400 mutations observed in autopsies of first 78 patients) will not alter either factor, and 2. The situation will be manageable with 10x the patient flow.

 

I think both of those assumptions are dangerous. The virus itself isn't too bad, but the virus with Obama makes the future impossible to predict, an _ebola singularity_. It pops up on google, because I'm the ony MFer dumb enough to believe it and I keep posting it places.

To my credit, it does seem like my proof that Obama wants as much of it here as possible is playing out....

 

 

 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 19:46 | 5387977 knukles
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Gentlemen....

These are two separate questions.

1.  Is it airborne?  Yes.

2.  Who is susceptible?  Previous strands of Ebola have been selective in their breeding grounds, so to speak.  The strain Ebola Reston was airborne and a stone cold dead killer of primates of the monkey/chimp variety.  Numerous Human Primates were in contact with fluids, aireosol and airborne matter as well as were cut and pricked by contaminated sharp objects, but none even got sick let alone died.  Yet, it was Ebola.  Pure and simple.

Mayhaps this strain is highly selective of particular genetic markers.  Most getting it and dying are native W Africans.
I will leave any further deductions thereto to you, dear reader so as not to open adverse commentary.
Now, with your eyebrow arched, do not forget that the CDC and military (Army) had presence in W Africa dealing with infectious diesases long before the current outbreak
And it is a veritable dream weapon to create a highly lethal pathogen which is genetically target-able.

Tin foil hat.  Don't leave home without it.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 21:59 | 5388406 MeBizarro
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Horrible product to weaponize and the Russians/Americans have almost certainly already tried.  Why the hell would you use this vs just simply using a known and highly active disease like smallpox?  Almost no one over the age of 40 in the industrialized world has been vaccinated against smallpox and it would take months and months to begin to scale up the necessary production to make smallpox on a mass scale.  

It would be much more effective than even the worst nerve gas/chemical agent.  Just deploy it major areas against an enemy, it spreads quite quickly and overwhelms any present medical system which has limited/no overcapacity, kills at least 20-25% of people under 40 who haven't been vaccinated, and simply cripples any opponent even if they begin to vaccinate younger people and quarantine them.  Problem is that one you turn it on again it is almost impossible to control  

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 22:57 | 5388580 Exponere Mendaces
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WHERE ARE THE BODIES YOU CALIFORNIA RETIRED FINANCE FUCK.

There are none, "Knukles".

So get your ass out of California before they run out of water, because that is a real crisis that isn't being addressed.

Again, "airborne", "Selective breeding grounds".... give me a FUCKING BREAK. A virus doesn't give a shit if you happen to be white or not, it just infects and kills you. The fact it hasn't in any appreciable sense means YOUR ALARMISM IS BULLSHIT.

Choke on that, you financial parasite.

 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:00 | 5387407 Smiddywesson
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I don't pretend to know all the facts like the authorities, who make it a practice to give reassurances that are impossible to know, but I have my logic.

I know if I were watching people die in agony, I'd be pretty damn sure to follow all safety protocals, and yet 400 medical workers got it anyway.  Are we to believe they ALL touched their noses?  I see three possibilities, it's airborne; it's more contageous than anyone suspected; it's a tenacious little sucker that's hard to kill and can live outside the body for longer than we guessed; or any combination of the above.

There's research from the military that it can stay airborn longer in cold dry weather, and it's now October.

There's research in the UK that it can live on a doorknob for 50 days in 39 degree weather.

1973-2013 1716 cases, resulting in 5 distinct strains.  Today we are over 10k cases, and yet they ASSUME there's only one strain?  My math says 29 are possible.  Each patient with full blown ebola has up to a trillion tiny viruses, each one a roll of the dice to make it more contaigous.

 

There's a lot more to puzzle out from logic, but what's apparant on it's face is bad enough.  The real tell is Obama and company resorting to stunts like a hug fest with the nurse.  They wouldn't do that if they thought it would just wither away. 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 18:36 | 5387686 nc551
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I think the strains you speak of are alive and well in the jungle and have nothing to do with the number of people infected... yet.  Fruit bats are supposed to be the reservoir host which means they can carry it indefinitely and show no symptoms.  Also, the CDC is using an official correction number of 2.5 and they stopped getting real counts in Liberia almost a month ago when they instituted the cremation policy and people stopped coming to the centers.  I'd guess it is well beyond 30k right now, could easily be > 50k.    Time will tell, it should be obvious by January where this is headed.  We are about reaching the point where it is going to explode out of Africa if indeed it has not slowed.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:08 | 5387435 Stroke
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Move the survivors to the "ghost cities".............

 

There will be no survivors

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:44 | 5387100 kaiserhoff
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There is always something new and interesting coming out of Africa.

   Pliny the Elder

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 21:57 | 5388415 MeBizarro
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Yup building the highway out of Kinshasa in the 70s into the deep Congo to tap the various mineral resources hasn't turned out be the best idea especially in terms of the diseases it brought it.  Before it largely traveled up river (still by far the most efficient form of transit in Africa) and even the most awful diseases was limited in its ability to spread quickly.  

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:55 | 5387378 Stumpy4516
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China can handle normal intrusion fine but is that what they are facing.  Is one part of the intential Ebola infection to provide cover so that the virus can be released directly into China's population by various forms of aerosol dispersion?

If China and Russia detect biowarfare has begun will Russia finally take action?  China is one big wild card on how they are going to react when a NATO type org. moves in close, they are pushed from Africa (friendly govts overthrown and puppets of the west installed then China's agreements nullified), increased internal turmoil created or other means.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:02 | 5387418 Smiddywesson
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China is a powderkeg.  If it spreads panic, just one well placed rumor by the CIA that the Chinese upper class have a cure and it's all over, total bedlam.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:40 | 5387088 Fred Garvin
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Be extra careful if you get Ebola from China, it may contain traces of lead and other contaminants

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:14 | 5387211 MsCreant
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You mean a cheap knock off of Ebola? Damn!

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:35 | 5387302 knukles
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LOL

sick

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:00 | 5387406 83_vf_1100_c
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Oh no! There goes Beijing, E-E-Ebora. Sung to the tune of Godzirra by BOC. Yeah, it does not rhyme, so sue me.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:09 | 5387440 83_vf_1100_c
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or downvote me. :-)

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:16 | 5387461 Stroke
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"Godzirrilla.....always makes me laugh

 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:21 | 5387030 Sudden Debt
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I think Europe is behind the Ebola hoax.

Look at the facts!!!

1. All Americans will die!
2. All chinese will die!
3. Africa will die!

And Europe doesn't give a fuck :)

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:29 | 5387049 hobopants
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Just wait until they release the bubonic plague 2.0 (iplague), then you guys can freak out.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:30 | 5387272 Deathrips
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Brussles and city of london sponsored.....hmmmm.

 

RIPS

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:47 | 5387115 Kinskian
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All jokes aside, Europe seems to have lost the will to live.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:55 | 5387139 NotApplicable
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Collectivism in a nutshell.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:07 | 5387178 Sudden Debt
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Actually not. The people in Europe just live while Amercans build bunkers so they will be able to live in the future while they forget to live now.

It reminds me of a european story that goes like this:

Everybody says that you should work really hard so that when you grow old you can go to greece and live the good life.
And in greece, the people live the good life and they tell the greeks that they should work harder so... They can live like... Well just work harder...

You only live once. Never forget that. Everybody turns into a old fart pretty damn fast, so don't miss the voyage.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:33 | 5387493 Lea
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"All jokes aside, Europe seems to have lost the will to live."

No, Europe is just not paranoid. We Europeans don't live from one scare to the next like fearmongering America.

What worries me is that our governments, out of bootlicking the USA will let Ebola enter because it won't want to hurt the Americans feelings by doing the right thing, i.e, closing our borders and setting up quarantine procedures. Temporarily closing borders and having quarantines, I add, is not a matter of senseless paranoia, just plain common sense. Maybe that's why America is not doing it. Applying common sense instead of letting infected people in and running around in circles yelling "ebola! ebola!" is un-American.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:57 | 5387148 tony wilson
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Europe is behind the Ebola hoax.

your inference that edwyne and jacob rothschild are behind this conspiracy is anti sementick dangerous and could get you mossad kidon killed.

i advise you to retact say sorry and pay the the illegal state of israel compensation monies asap.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:28 | 5387052 Joe A
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My first thought as well. Putting on my aluminum hat.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:46 | 5387106 Utah_Get_Me_2
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It's tin-foil chief, get it straight.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:30 | 5387056 booboo
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Unkel Jessie said the ebowler aint landin on his body and nuffin on him cuasin he be drunkin wif alkohol and its a bug killin white litning. Chinesen gonna dy causin they sleeps piled ten high in the beds n all

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:13 | 5387210 Utah_Get_Me_2
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and those red-faced, lightweights can't drink enough white lightin to kill the bugs.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:29 | 5387270 MiTasol
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Fight an epidemic?  They'll be a breeding ground for it.

 

Anecdote: I worked in an English school teaching solely Chinese (from PRC).  If I went to the bathroom at lunchtime, when I went to wash my hands I would always need to run the hot tap for long a while before it started to run warm.  This was after several hundred adult students had already used the same bathroom that morning.

 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:16 | 5387007 Cognitive Dissonance
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How do you say "Ebola" in Mandarin?

<Trick question.>

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:19 | 5387014 X.inf.capt
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ROTE ROW!

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:22 | 5387037 Sudden Debt
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Alobe!

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:24 | 5387043 Martin Silenus
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Eborra?

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:34 | 5387063 booboo
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Ebola. it means "Brown Tsunami"

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:48 | 5387119 Sid James
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Duncan was producing a huge amount of bodily fluids that were all hazardous waste that could infect someone else.

“I’ve been in health care for nearly 20 years,” ICU nurse John Mulligan told 60 Minutes, “and I’ve never emptied as much trash as just from the waste of his constant diarrhea.”

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/27/details-on-dallas-ebola-case-re...

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:53 | 5387133 Four chan
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and they just flush it into the common sewer system aka water treatment center we drink.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:49 | 5387122 pods
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I thought that was Carne Asada?  Oh, not in Spanish.

Always wondered why Taco Bell pimped out their Carne Asada burritos?

Must be for the masochists?

pods

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:32 | 5387064 hobopants
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The same way you do in english, but with a hilarious accent.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:01 | 5387408 Apostate2
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Depends on your favoured transcription: Aibola bingdu or Yibola bingdu, though 'Ai' is more interesting. Regardless, remember that if China has cases they will be regarded as State Secrets. Ask Margaret Chan--she knows from her SARS experience.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 18:24 | 5387645 armageddon addahere
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When the SARS epidemic was in the news a friend of mine was worried about "Chinamen with sores" getting into the country.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:17 | 5387009 Martin Silenus
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Gonna run through there like an ebola in a china shop.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:18 | 5387017 Bryan
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Don't they all wear surgical masks over there?  I thought that made them immune.

 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:20 | 5387029 0b1knob
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Surgical masks?  Only a clipboard, firmly grasp in your hand, can protect you.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:26 | 5387046 Martin Silenus
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And a big blue box.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:11 | 5387449 Smiddywesson
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400 of them, covered head to toe with plastic, got it anyway.  After watching their patients spew their liquified internal organs out their asses, I doubt they took the precautions lightly.  This bug is tough to kill.  They have to be getting it from the air or surfaces that they thought were not contaminated, or worse, recently decontaminated.  Right now, nothing can be taken for granted, because the evidence doesn't fit the assumed facts.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:22 | 5387036 Osmium
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Well, at least they can quarantine the sick in the ghost cities.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:22 | 5387038 franzpick
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Chek Lap Kok airport in Hong Kong?  TSA already checked that.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:23 | 5387039 OW My Balls
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Top anagrams for Peter Piot

 

Tripe Poet

Pee Tit Pro

Tree Tip Op

Peer Tip To

Tie Prep To

 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:50 | 5387124 TahoeBilly2012
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Peter Piot and Mary

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:08 | 5387192 OW My Balls
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The answer my friend   Is blowing in the wind

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:38 | 5387316 knukles
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See!  They knew it was airborne a long time ago.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:36 | 5387066 Barnaby
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Has China successfully imported Ebama yet, or have our advisers prevented it? If they have no modern copies, this is the upper hand that primes the pump of a New American Millennium.

Also, long AMIC.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:33 | 5387067 Bemused Observer
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Whoa, I never really gave that much thought...but Ebola hitting China would be seriously bad news. It would be like a bunch of influenza virus hitting a warm, moist lung.

That would be double-plus ungood.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:36 | 5387070 LFMayor
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Swimming in the Huang Po River with all them dead hogs, sleeping with chickens in the hut, shitting alongside all the roads.  Those little fuckers are bulletproof after all that filth in their environment.   They've got antibody counts that make them tougher than those damn terracotta warriors they dug up.

They'll probably make fucking soup out of ebola and eat it.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:39 | 5387079 Barnaby
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Serve them a single Budweiser and they're shitting their pants in anaphylactic shock, though. That's a mighty prevalent kryptonite.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:45 | 5387090 OW My Balls
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with a side order of KFC McNuggets

 

YOU BE ILLIN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UbwlID1wRA

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:51 | 5387128 pods
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You don't have to be Chinese to enjoy Budweiser.

I always thought that Charmin made Budweiser.

pods

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:10 | 5387201 OW My Balls
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 "I always thought that Charmin made Budweiser."

 

They just raised the price to $27 for a 30 pack, so you might be accurate on that thought

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:52 | 5387365 Barnaby
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Budweiser: Call it the King of Beers, or the aphrodisiac of the Beta Tau Alpha, you take organic barley, malt it carefully with a generations-old method, then feed it to a zoo yak in St Louis. The product of this yak goes straight into the tank where it is fermented and diluted!

~ Next week tonight with John Oliver

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:31 | 5387287 MiTasol
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Budweiser

 

Like making love in a boat.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:45 | 5387344 MrSteve
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in a canoe,  is the original, correct expression----in a boat is too far from water

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:58 | 5387392 Barnaby
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on a partially-deflated air-lounge, with your hirsute step-sister, floating into a fecund swamp

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:35 | 5387075 Jimmy Twinkle
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If 4000 have died till now and the incidences double each month for a year that 17 million people dead. 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:17 | 5387466 Smiddywesson
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Yup.  1973-2013 1716 cases resulting in 5 new strains. 

 

2014: 10,000+ cases, and no additional strains yet, honest!

 

17 milllion cases, wanna bet what the official line will still be?

 

NOBODY knows the facts in a fluid situation like this.  They can only be collected and examined after it's over.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 20:22 | 5388090 operonlabs
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Just a side note on Ebola nomenclature...

What you are referring to are not new Ebola strains discovered since 1976, they are new species (Ebola Zaire, Ebola Sudan, Ebola Reston, etc).  

In Ebola virology nomenclature, a strain is a virus within the same species (ie Ebola Zaire) that has phenotypic behavior that can be differentiated from the species consensus isolate (to my knowledge, there have not been new Ebola strains identified and confirmed by research to date).  

An Ebola variant is a virus within the same Ebola species which has different genome (<=10% change from its Ebola species consensus strain), but where the new virus not been proven to have significantly different phenotype (The 2014 outbreak has at least 99 genetic variants across multiple sub-clades, but there have yet to be proven to have any new strains).

An isolate is a virus of a particular species which has been acquired and sequenced from a human or animal host.  Isolate and variant are somewhat interchangeable terms, depending on the context.

The proper term for a slightly genetically 'new' Ebola is variant -- meaning a virus of a known species with a slightly different genome -- it remains an Ebola variant until it can be proven (by actual clinical data) that it's got different sufficiently behavior than the rest of the viral species to which it belongs.  If it is proven that one of these 99 isolates seen in the 2014 outbreak had new behavior (phenotype), then the new virus would be considered a new strain (a step up from a variant) if the virus remained 90% or more genetically similar, but had different or novel behavior.  

If the genetic differences in this new Ebola virus were greater than 10% across the genome, then the virus might be a candidate for a new species.

Side Note:  The current 2014 Ebola outbreak has 97% sequence homology with the Ebola Zaire 1976 consensus isolate (Mayinga-76).

My opinion is we are dealing with a significant number of Ebola virus genetic variants in the 2014 outbreak... These variants may eventually be categorized as new strains if it can be proven they act differently than regular Ebola Zaire. 

I know this terminology is confusing, but I didn't make it up.  This is what the international nomenclature committees decided would be the proper way to name things.   What makes things worse is the emergence of gene sequencing, which has sort of blown traditional phylogeny out of the water.

Each different class of virus has different terminology (in some viruses instead of strain it's called a serotype, etc).  Often academic papers from around the world will use different terminology -- even within the same virus under study.  All very confusing, but I hope this helps a bit.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:39 | 5387082 Kinskian
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During the Olympics some Chinese businesses are reported to have posted signs saying blacks were not welcomed. I don't think the Chinese will hesitate to take whatever action is necessary to keep diseased Africans out of China, as well as their own infected citizens.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:42 | 5387091 LFMayor
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Well, their culture is filled with stories about ghosts. 

Didn't figure it to be the Ku Krux Kran, though.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:44 | 5387096 LFMayor
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Fuck, I got that backward.  It's the R's as L's, right?

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:00 | 5387403 deflator
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 I don't have cataract, I have Rincon Continental...

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:44 | 5387093 RaceToTheBottom
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dup

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:18 | 5387467 Smiddywesson
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Leave it to the Chinese to always state the obvious.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:50 | 5387546 Monty Burns
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The Chinese certainly don't buy into this PC bullshit and are amazed that we in the West do so.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:42 | 5387092 Kirk2NCC1701
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<-- Ebola WILL spread into global Pandemic, killing millions

<-- Ebola WILL NOT spread into global Pandemic, and will NOT kill millions

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:23 | 5387248 MsCreant
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<--Ebola will kill millions, but will not be a global panedmic.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:53 | 5387356 deflator
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 It seems to me based on the careful language of our many "authorities" that they are more concerned with controlling a general panic rather than controlling a pandemic. 

 Ebola will only need to infect thousands, maybe only hundreds in Western cities to create a collapse inducing general panic.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:21 | 5387476 Smiddywesson
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Yes, the facts are scary enough when you take the time to gather them, but the frantic nature of the Administration's efforts to show there is no danger reminds me of a central banker denying they are going to devalue a currency.  Their behavior in stunts like appointing a Czar, and staging a hug fest with the nurse is an obvious tell. 

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:43 | 5387095 Kirk2NCC1701
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<-- If Ebola becomes a Global Pandemic, killing millions or billions, I welcome the Population Reset

<-- If Ebola becomes a Global Pandemic, killing millions or billions, I would lament the Population Crash

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:45 | 5387109 Kirk2NCC1701
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<--  This Ebola is a natural phenomenon

<--  This Ebola is man-made, a bio-weapon

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:25 | 5387258 MsCreant
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<--Ebola is a natural phenomenon, but through politics, can have consequences that end up making it serve to function like a bio-weapon.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:32 | 5387285 847328_3527
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#bringourebolaback

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 22:04 | 5388447 MeBizarro
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Natural.  Man is always kind to fight a losing battle with bacteria/viruses and they will be here long after any remnants of homo sapiens exist.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:46 | 5387110 tony wilson
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sorry mr rothschild

fuck off mr soros

take your brookings chatham house aipac adl big pharma bollox

and go straight to hell.

 

i read murder by injection by eutace mullins

eye understand doctors want my pockets empty and dead.

 

i do not need you kosher fucks.

i got my home made liposomal vit c

i got my homemade collodial silver

i got my food grade 3% hydrogen peroxide

i got my ozone water generator.

 

give the vaccines to bill gates kids and see how they react you cancerous cunts

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 15:54 | 5387138 TahoeBilly2012
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Great checklist Tony on the Nat Meds. Colliodal silver will likely handle Ebolay fairly well and the high does Vit C is a no brainer. Very few understand what High Dose C means it means keep taking it until you start squirting, backoff then hit the gas again.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:08 | 5387162 tony wilson
Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:19 | 5387237 WillyGroper
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Been doing some digging & found this site by pure luck. Mashpedia.com

Loads of naturopathic medical vid's. Dr. Joel Wallach is the berries!

Did not realize both wet & dry macular degeneration can be cured with mega dosing anti-oxidants.

Rampant breast & prostate cancers are reflected in idodine deficiency. 

The other MIC at work since the 1970's. Look at those profits!

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:02 | 5387412 Barnaby
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i been supplementing with corn c from bourbon. When I squirt it's sweet like listerine.

Should I switch to a simpler liquor like this new thing "agave"?

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:50 | 5387355 Infinite QE
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Which ozone water generator?

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:12 | 5387123 tony wilson
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ebola was made by clever jewish folks

ebola was made by dumb as rocks arabs

 

 

 

am  i being anti semetic calling arabs dumb

or for calling the jewisher cleveror?

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:00 | 5387163 petkovplamen
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Now wouldn't that be so darn convinient!

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:11 | 5387176 deflator
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 Ebola was discovered in 1975 by this guy who knows full well that previous outbreaks contained to rural villages only burned themselves out after the virus killed everyone it could kill yet he thinks now that it is in urban areas and doubling every 30 days it will burn out in six months?

 

 The implication that Ebola will be contained in modern, complex areas of the world is similar to the implication that all the worlds problems can be solved by decree or fiat. We can print our way out of anything--all we need is leaders to say, So let it be written-- So let be done!

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 21:57 | 5388425 Ms No
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Maybe we should ask the scientist that "discovered" Ebola about how many months after the election we should expect Ebola induced QE to begin.   

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 16:37 | 5387305 1Inthebeginning
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If you look at W. Africa from goog maps satellite, it is not that densely populated.  A modern city is much more densely populated.  Ebola in a modern city is going to have many more opportunities to spread because there are many more people in direct contact with each other.  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Monrovia,+Liberia/@6.2957388,-10.76960...!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0xf09f803d4a9fcc1:0x5b6c4dd7069694af

How many people will suffer and die because of hubris?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 17:31 | 5387495 ThirdCoastSurfer
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If a fly lands on a drop of sweat with ebola and then lands on you while its feet are still wet, can you catch the disease?

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 18:41 | 5387709 deflator
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 Statistically speaking, LOL, a fly will tend to stick with the first piece of shit that it is drawn to. While the answer to your question is yes, there are ways to rationalize a, "no".

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 20:09 | 5388071 didthatreallyhappen
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only when facing mecca

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 18:22 | 5387638 Skip
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I wonder if these refugees that keep flooding America will bring even more diseases than they have already...Marburg maybe?

This website was taken down yesterday by Wordpress, then without explanation was put back up. The TRUTH is disturbing the elite:
http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 18:31 | 5387666 Sizzurp
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It's encouraging to me that the 2 nurses have apparently recovered.  The death rate in the US seems to be low.  Duncan is the only one to die on US soil so far out of about 6-7 cases.  I'm also surprised and encouraged that we havn't seen more cases.  Duncan's gal and her family appear to be ok, and even the pressure washer guy never got sick.  I still think we shouldn't tempt fate allowing folks to travel freely from West Africa though.  It's just too risky, and having soldiers over there in harms way is over the top nuts.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 18:54 | 5387748 deflator
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 It is still too early to be "encouraged" by the death/cases ratio in the U.S.

If we look at the doubling times versus cases/deaths--this thing has a ways to go before we can be, "encouraged" vs. "panicked". 

 

 We could start with 1 case today and extrapolate real world data for Ebola in the past three months in West Africa and would expect 2,000 cases in the U.S. six months from now. 

 

 Extrapolate the same data another six months from then and there could be two million cases of ebola in the U.S.

 

Do you find these facts to be, "encouraging"?

 

 

Thu, 10/30/2014 - 09:46 | 5393382 Titus
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Exactly. Given that there is a coordinated effort to suppress knowledge of potential ebola cases even from the patients themselves, the data is muddy.

Kind of like hearing a hooker say she's sure she doesn't have aids or herpes, she just got tested 3 months ago.

um...

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 20:38 | 5388166 ian807
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A suspicious and cynical soul might speculate that Ebola was introduced into Africa as a way of discouraging the Chinese from their continued economic occupation of the continent.

Such a soul's suspicions might grow if a very expensive vaccine, available only to Americans, suddenly appeared on the scene.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 22:09 | 5388470 Ms No
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I would expect that if China gets hit with a disease that USAMRID has been messing with since the 70's some nukes will be armed or maybe a new flu which liquifies your penis and eyelids will show up.

Tue, 10/28/2014 - 23:26 | 5388630 uncle_vito
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Those Chinese will come to the US to watch their RE investments and visit with their families.   Their kids will get Ebola and take it into the schools.   Then Oh Joy.   Watch it cities of Southern Calif.   Monterrey Park, Arcadia, San Marino.   All will be quarantined

Wed, 10/29/2014 - 05:01 | 5388972 AgentScruffy
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Michigan monitoring 8 for Ebola. They won't say who, why, or where, in order to protect their "privacy." (Since when is the government interested in people's privacy?) http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/metro-state/2014/10/28/michi...

Wed, 10/29/2014 - 11:22 | 5389817 Yakhont
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And Piot actually believes his nonsense? These psychos invented the virus and if Piot thinks he can intimidate the Chinese out of Africa with it, he better think again. Even more, he and his friends better start looking over their shoulder from now on. You just can't instigate bio-warfare and expect to get away unscathed. There will be certain retaliation, that is for sure. In other news, the Russians have produced an Ebola vaccine...too bad for the pharmaceuticals who were positioning themselves to cash in...after inventing the epidemic..

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