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Obama Explains What "Quarantine-Like Isolation" Really Means - Live Feed
Having confirmed earlier that Ebola Czar Ron Klain did not take the weekend off, and ensured the American public knows the decisions on what Chuck Hagel called "quarantine-like" isolation (though obviously not quarantine because the polls suggest that word would not play well with core liberal voters) are still under discussion; we anxiously await President Obama to explain how the mixed messages from various government entities and individual states (with Christie re-flopping to strict quarantines again today) all make sense and are not, as Christie said "incredibly confusing."
Some select headlines from the administration today so far...
- *EARNEST SAYS U.S. EBOLA CZAR RON KLAIN DIDN'T TAKE WEEKEND OFF
- *EARNEST: KLAIN BRIEFING OBAMA 'REGULARLY' ON EBOLA
- *KIRBY SAYS JOINT CHIEFS RECOMMEND 21-DAY SUPERVISED MONITORING
- *KIRBY SAYS HAGEL HASN'T YET DECIDED ON 'QUARANTINE-LIKE' PLAN
- *KIRBY SAYS PENTAGON NOT CHALLENGING OTHER AGENCIES' PROTOCOLS
- *KIRBY SAYS HAGEL WON'T OVERTURN ARMY POLICY `AT THIS TIME'
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said he isn’t “moving an inch” on his quarantine rules for people with direct exposure to the Ebola virus.
Christie, a second-term Republican who has said he may run for president in 2016, said new federal guidelines for quarantines are “incredibly confusing.” He spoke during an interview on the NBC “Today Show.”
President Obama is due to speak at 1455ET (plan accordingly)
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2:55... so that is like 3:30?
Is he done with the back nine???
Ask Reggie
your not making it better, mr. president..
New hit video My Obola:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lr4mI26c-Y
Can ebola be transmitted inside bathhouses?
he's speaking like he has no clue...
i dont feel reassured...
I would just love to hear what George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison would say if they were told way back when that the states would eventually lose the power to appoint Senators (17th Amendment), that the right of the people to be secure in their personal papers and effects (4th Amendment), would be secretly negated by a President (Bush) and federal agencies and that the President of the United States would be up the ass of every citizen and tens of millions of illegal aliens 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Flounder: We have decided to sue ebola for breach of contract, as it is clearly not depopulating as promised.
Ron Klain known Zionist with zero medical back ground. Probably getting the scoop on all teh FEMA camps all weekend.
Lol name just one politician that is not a known Zionist...
"I would just love to hear what George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison would say if they were told way back when that the states would eventually lose the power to appoint Senators (17th Amendment), that the right of the people to be secure in their personal papers and effects (4th Amendment), would be secretly negated by a President (Bush) and federal agencies and that the President of the United States would be up the ass of every citizen and tens of millions of illegal aliens 24 hours a day, seven days a week."
"My men, yonder lie the FSA. They were bought for $100 in paper and a squalid flop house each man. Are ye worth more? Then prove it! Tonight they are ours, or Molly Stark sleeps a widow!" -- John Stark
dup.
Did you ever see the difference on how Ebola is portayed in the US and how in Europe?
The US is your typical fearmongering and armegedon and death for all, in Europe, everything is fine.
It's just all like that terrorist stuff, Americans like to live in fear and paranoia, europe is all just fine.
The world just needs to end every 2 years in America. Always :)
We live our lives and we'll see.
The Wussification is nearly complete SD.
Putin must be laughing his socks off.He has more to fear from the Poles, who are
a joke as well.
Yeah... Is this the 50th Russian soon to be invasion? :)
Why would they ever invade Europe? We mae up 75% of their Vodka export!
America should worry more about the fact that Europe will join the Russian side.
Don't forget: America is a worse Enemy to Europe than Russia is!
The spies, fraud, gold scam... America is the next fascist threat of the world.
America does worry that Europe will join the Russian side...
Germany will join in the next 4 to 5 years.
The rest in the following 5.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! WHAT THE HELL IS IT WITH ALL THESE POPUPS HERE ON ZH?!?!?!
MAN, THIS IS ANOYING!!!!!!
5 POPUPS IN 5 MINUTES?!?!??!
Pop ups...preventing reading the truth and commenting on the truth.
ANNOYING!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSRZo1BE5o
Barry's got trouble...
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Snydermanesque quarantine. Quarantine-lite.
"Let me be clear!, we're sending more of our well-trained men and women in uniform to go to Africa so I can personally reduce the size, once again, of our miltary."
"We have to start at the source."
Apologize for the quote from another site...it is too simple and obvious to not present.
"So, according to Obama, the people that do the logistics, move the medicine, build the camps, do the administrative work, ie., the military, they need to be quarantined for 21 days before having contact with those back in this country. But the people that work with the Ebola victims, the ones that nurse the ill, the ones in the haz-mat suits, the ones in contact with the victims day in and day out, they do not have to be quarantined."
The only thing worse than Obola is the f**king liberal and Democrat scum who voted for him.
between ebolacare and owebombacare the dems will trash every hospital in amerikunt
Starting at the bottom and working their way down.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2809803/Ebola-surfaces-TW...
Obola says, "Ebola is thicker than water. Fool me - you can't get ebola again."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/10/28/lawmaker-claims-plans-may-be-...
Ron Klain, another Zio-"czar", amazing how they have turned that word upside down...
Zio-Bolsheviks never got over their expulsion by Stalin, and vowed Eternal Revenge. Those people will not settle for anything other than Total Supremacy over the Ruling Elite in whatever culture that hosts them. They feel it's their "God"-given right to do so. Their revisionist religious writings tell them so.
That's why they fancy a title like Czar*. Given that most 'Mericans are poorly educated, this title sounds 'noble' but not as arrogant as the title Emperor or Cesar -- even though Czar = Emperor and is Russian for Cesar.
* Czar or Tsar (Zar, Tsar) noun
1. an emperor or king. 2. (often cap.) the former emperor of Russia. 3. an autocratic ruler or leader. 4. any person exercising great authority or power: a czar of industry. < Russian Tsar', Old Russian Tsisar? emperor, king (akin to Old Church Slavonic Tsisari) < Gothic Kaisar emperor (< Greek or Latin); Greek kaîsar < Latin Caesar]That was a real bummer last year when they had to update there bloodline to NOT include lineage to Israel, when the gene pool pointed to Khazar and then petered out. Hence the planned "dominion" over Ukraine and eventually Russia cause you know, that's their Country too.
how anyone with two eyes and half a brain could think these pale blue-eyed Ashkenazi devils ever came from the Levant/eastern Med... what an epic hoax!
Spin those words, baby! The stupid Americans will never figure out you're a buffoon! Woohoo!
OT: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/gartman-were-witnessing-end-oil-221420996....
Gartman's oil call.
"Gartman went so far as to compare crude oil to whale oil, which became obsolete following the advent of crude in the early 20th century."
LOL
He's an ignorant carnival barking turd.
Fartman is an idiot only outdone by Cramer (and that's a toss up),and he just confirmed that my energy purchase two weeks ago will be a profitable one.
Questions are a burden to others; answers a prison for oneself.
Give Christie a Jersey Mike Sub and watch him move many inches
President said we don't have ebola. Bullish ralley! Woooooo!!!!!!!!
They should call it a VirtualQuarantine. Like the border fence.
This is an epic spanking to the global warming Nazi's..
Weather Channel Co-Founder John Coleman: Climate Change Is a Myth | Fox News Insider
"though obviously not quarantine because the polls suggest that word would not play well with core liberal voters"
I suddenly have a doubt. Do liberals have a brain, or do they just have Pavlovian reactions?
They have brains that have never been used.
Must watch: Another spanking of epic proportions.
Chicago Activists Unchained, Destroy Black Leadership - YouTube
Maybe the Nobel Prize Winner can explain the origins of Ebola (doing God's work as he puts it):
US Bio-warfare Laboratories In West Africa Are The Origins Of The Ebola Epidemic.
By Aggeliki Dimopoulou
Could Ebola Have Escaped From US Bio-warfare Labs? American law professor Francis A. Boyle, answers questions for tvxs.gr and reveals that USA have been using West Africa as an offshore to circumvent the Convention on Biological Weapons and do bio-warfare work.
Is Ebola just a result of health crisis in Africa - because of the large gaps in personnel, equipment and medicines - as some experts suggest?
That isn’t true at all. This is just propaganda being put out by everyone. It seems to me, that what we are dealing with here is a biological warfare work that was conducted at the bio-warfare laboratories set up by the USA on the west coast of Africa. And if you look at a map produced by the Center of Disease Control you can see where these laboratories are located. And they are across the heart of Ebola epidemic, at the west coast of Africa. So, I think these laboratories, one or more of them, are the origins of the Ebola epidemic.
US government agencies are supposed to do defensive biological warfare research in these labs. Is there any information about what are they working on?
Well, that’s what they tell you. But if you study what the CDC and the Pentagon do… They say it is defensive, but this is just for public relation purposes than anything. It’s a trick. What it means is what they decide at these bio-warfare labs. They say, “well we have to develop a vaccine”, so that’s their defensive argument. Then what they do is to develop the bio-warfare agent itself. Usually by means of DNA genetic engineering. And then they say, “well to get the vaccine we have to develop the bio-warfare agent” - usually by DNA genetic engineering - and then they try to work on the vaccine. So it’s two uses type of work. I haven’t read all these bio-warfare contracts but that’s typical of the way the Pentagon CDC has been doing this since at least the 1980’s. I have absolute proof from a Pentagon document that the Center of Disease Control was doing bio-warfare work for the Pentagon in Sierra Leone, the heart of the outbreak, as early as 1988. And indeed it was probably before then because they would have had to construct the lab and that would have taken some time. So we know that Fort Detrick and the Center for Disease Control are over there, Tulane University, which is a well-known bio-warfare center here in USA - I would say notorious for it - is there. They all have been over there.
In addition, USA government made sure that Liberia, a former colony of the USA, never became a party to the Biological Weapons Convention, so they were able to do bio – warfare work over there - going back to 1980’s - the USA government, in order to circumvent the Biological Weapons Convention. Likewise, Guinea the third state affected here - and there is an increase now – didn’t even sign the Biological Weapons Convention. So, it seems to me, that the different agencies of the US government have been always there try to circumvent the Biological Weapons Convention and engage bio-warfare work. Indeed, we had one of these two lab bio-warriors admit in the NY Times that they were not over there for the purpose of either screening or treating people. That’s not what these labs are about. These labs are there in my opinion to do bio-warfare work for different agencies of the US government. Indeed, many of them were set up by USAID. And everyone knows that USAID is penetrated all up and down by the CIA and CIA has been involved in bio-warfare work as well.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article40012.htm
Although I have not looked over the site to see if I find it credible, links like this are references I look for. They can be shared easily and then others can review for themselves and get fuller info..
Why is Obamalama still running his own mouth on this?
We've got a POTUS who think he's a doctor, and the head of the CDC thinks he's a politician, the head of the NIH doesn't think at all, and an invisible flounder is the official Obola czar, and some woman who is supposed to be the ebola czar and has been paid for the office for five years has never been mentioned in polite company, probably dead and burried for the last four years and her paychecks cashed by Valerie Jarrett.
Jarrett has to split the check with David Axelrod, he did all the paperwork and had the shovel.
"quarantine-like" isolation Vs isolation in a casket because you bled out.
Hmmm…..
"We are going to solve this problem just like we've solved every other problem."
Gentlepersons we have the quote that will go over the entrance of his library
The Regime Leader IS FULL OF IT !
SH.
have to love his answer to the first question: why the discrepency between the way the military is being quaranteed & healtcare workers?
his answer = because the military isn't dealing directly with ebola patients
so let me get this straight, because the military is FURTHER away from the virus and healthcare workers are RIGHT UP & ON-TOP OF IT, we have to treat the military with STRICTER de-containment measures (when they leave africa) than the healthcare workers.
got it.
Please do not try to make sense of what is emanating from DC.
I don't believe they have medication strong enough, to bring you back if
you ever do understand.
Use your brain to start elevating your bug out plans/preps.
Ellis Island.
Would centralize all necessary federal resources.
Is it really necessary and healthy to be always so negative and cynical guys ?
Yes
Is it really neccessary and healthy to have your head firmly up your asshole, trusting the government, believing everything is awesome guys?
Being negative and cynical in a free and thriving society will cause one to be left behind by that society.
Being negative and cynical in a police-state and dying society will cause one to be better prepared for the coming collapse of that society.
Now I must go and make sure my guillotine is prepared.
An American, not US subject.
"Some heeded their internal instincts and abandoned the towers. Others heeded the authoritarian calls of "all safe," and returned to their dooms."
OK 100% Honest...again...quoted from another site...go figure and then the cynics lead.
"So, according to Obama, the people that do the logistics, move the medicine, build the camps, do the administrative work, ie., the military, they need to be quarantined for 21 days before having contact with those back in this country. But the people that work with the Ebola victims, the ones that nurse the ill, the ones in the haz-mat suits, the ones in contact with the victims day in and day out, they do not have to be quarantined."
When the black death plague got really hot then quarantine was not 21 days, or 30 days, but 40 days (quar-an-tine).
Make it 50 days for the bug to show its face. It would ensure that all 99.9% cases were isolated from the general population. Re-open Ellis island and fit it out with full hospitals. Add casino and bars and it might be a snappy leper colonoy with a view of south Manhattan.
I voted early today along with my daughter. I know all the reasons why my vote doesn't matter, but I encourage all of you to swallow your cynicism and vote against any Democrat you can. I'm not a Republican, and the thought of another Bush running in '16 is impossible to accept, but Obama is our problem today.
He's on TV today because he's worried about next week's elections, at least to the limits of his ability to give a shit about any of it. Let's try to take the Senate away from him.
"cynicism?!
At some point cynicism is an anxiety, fear, of the real state of things and refusing to participate based on that fear.
Realism is the knowledge of the real state of things and refusing to participate in their games and crimes against you.
An American, not US subject.
"The fences are to keep you in, and plowing, until slaughter, not to protect you from the wolves."
"Let's try to take the Senate away from him."
I don't mean to pick on you, and I do respect you and your opinion, but it does highlight one of the chief fallacies going: that CIA-Obama is not one of them, a right-wing neo-con fascist hack--Bush Jr. (Clinton too).
One must go back and look at the last few months and ponder if his, and his administration's behavior during that time was consistent with the behavior of someone, or administration, actually focused on doing well in the coming mid-terms. I put forth that they were, and are, not.
Regarding "take the Senate away from him?!" Give it to who exactly--JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs?!
An American, not US subject.
"The strings control the puppet's song and dance."
Barack Obama is a symbolic President: he symbolizes everything that is weak, immoral and corrupt in this country. I have voted against him every chance that I could and I considered today another vote against his regime. My Senator has voted with him 96% of the time, and that f'ing matters, and she has to go.
I understand the arguments for not participating. In the past I've stayed home, voted for write-ins. etc., but not today. Some people talk tough about standing up to the government (not directed at you kc) in some future "day of the rope", but how can people who couldn't risk wasting their vote be counted on to risk their lives for their country and ideals?
You have it wrong.
If you really do believe Democrats are the catalyst for a crashing system, please, vote Democrat to crash the system.
By voting for Republicanism, what are you clinging too? The next Democrat to crash the system?
I really wish that fucking mook tripped over the grass on his long walk towards Marine 1 or fell walking up the stairs of Marine 1. At least then I'd have something to laugh about that was morbid, dark and depressing in nature.
" nothing to fear folks, were here to help,
until there is "
The Africanization of America and beyond
<-- Ebola WILL spread into global Pandemic, killing millions
<-- Ebola WILL NOT spread into global Pandemic, and will NOT kill millions
<-- If Ebola becomes a Global Pandemic, killing millions or billions, I welcome the Population Reset
<-- If Ebola becomes a Global Pandemic, killing millions or billions, I would lament the Population Crash
I'm busy isolating and quarantining my ears and eyes from anymore of his eminence, the Poop of D.C.
CIA-Obama: "If you don't yet have Ebola FUD, you will be quarantined until you do."
An American, not US subject.
"I believed the Ebola FUD, and all I got was this lousy FEMA camp T-shirt."
Listen.
Did anyone see the article about the lefty nurse and the obomber admin?
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/breaking-ebola-nurses-ties-to-cd...
You cannot make this up.
The political is personal.
Everything is a setup. Not to be cynical.
Sigh.
I hate to say it, but I must: From day one, I told everyone that I could that this Ebola thing was as fake as Sandy Hook. It was designed to get more counter-China troops in Africa, more control of the sheeple, more fiat for the FIC (FUD-Industrial-Complex), and deliberately look more incompetent than normal to further help throw the mid-terms to the right-wing, neo-cons.
The puppets tell me nothing. Their strings tell me everything.
An American, not US subject.
"Uncle Scam! There's a FUD under my bed. Can I sleep with you?"
"Quarantine-Like..."
Sounds vaguely teenage girlish. "It was like, quarantine like. Tots living hell and like compeltely like uncool."
We’ve all heard of ‘Bucket Lists’….
I’d like to interject a new concept, the “Ebola Rape List.”
After Ebola contraction, who do you plan on raping? Make a list but don’t put the list on Google Drive or anything.
I have already spoken here in another thread about the fuck party orgies I'd throw for politicians once I knew I had it. I'd pray to Kali the destroyer, get on my best slut outfit, and go for it. Nice, wet, Ebola kisses. Probably can't get Barney's Frank...
Okay, I talk a good game, it's probably too hideous to really do, even if I knew I was infecting them all. I just ain't "MAN" enough.
Not to mention by the time it was evident you had been infected, you'd be so sick ...never mind.
Quarantine for the required time to be considered cleared was the obvious course of action to have taken. But now people are bitching about "freedom", and being forced to stay put for 3 weeks. Are you kidding me?
How does being isolated from the general population long enough for a known infective agent to clear your system equate to having your freedom taken? Does it occur to the complainers that their neighbors might wish to remain alive to enjoy THEIR freedom, and that some compromise will have to be struck?
It's not like these folks are being tattooed and loaded into cattle-cars! We aren't putting them in striped pajamas after pulling them from their beds during night-raids. They are being quarantined for 3 weeks. Mostly in their own homes. Snipers aren't waiting to take them out should someone try to sneak out for doughnuts. It is an inconvenience, yes, but under the circumstances, necessary. And reasonable persons would SEE this, and understand that freedom does not mean you can never, ever be inconvenienced.
So, sit back and relax for the three weeks. Send one of their guys out for supplies, and make the best of it. I mean, if you ARE sick, is your freedom to go out clubbing really so important that you should have the right to expose everyone else? And without their knowledge, because it's doubtful you'd announce that you'd been recently exposed to Ebola, but your feeling pretty good, so don't worry...
Waitin for the first non-African-visit 'wild Ebola' patient to show up in the US...
Ron Klain is the money handler. His czar function is to direct monetized funding and make sure the coffers are filled.
Think in the same parallels of american reinvestment and recovery act, battery companies, GM Volt, Windmills, Green coal, and Solyndra. It will turn into another scam.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/breaking-ebola-nurses-ties-to-cd...
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More later....
This seems to me be an unlawful detainment and arrest by the NJ police, as ordered by Gov. Christie, as well as by the hospital.
1.) Was there "probable cause"?
Sure, she was returning from West Africa. However, she showed no signs or symptoms of Ebola - of any illness at all. So my answer is NO "probable cause".
"Probable cause" is defined as some objective evidence that someone has committed or in the process of committing a crime.
2.) Even if the people detaining her felt there was "probable cause", did they obtain an "arrest warrant" signed by a judge based on a signed affidavit sworn as an oath to be the truth under penalty of perjury specifically naming her? (An OATH is, in fact, a CONTRACT under law - so by submitting a false affidavit, sworn and signed as an oath, that person has committed a crime both under the Common Law AND under Commercial Law, as well as Equity Law.)
4th Amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
The U.S. inherited the Common Law from Britain and even today in the U.S., the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled numerous times that the Common Law is superior to legislated acts (statutes). However, very few people and judges know much about the Common Law. So, the police, courts and even attorneys make the PRESUMPTION that you have CONSENTED to be under the jurisdiction of legislated acts (statutes). And an ancient maxim of law states, "A presumption NOT rebutted becomes a fact in Law." - that is, if you do NOT object to their presumption, their presumption becomes a fact of law in that case.
3.) The Founders in America knew a GREAT DEAL about the Common Law, Equity Law (legislated acts; statutes) and international Commercial Law (Law Merchant), which are the ONLY types of law allowed by the Constitution. And they knew well the major court decisions in British history and made every attempt to include them into the U.S. Constitution; and both American Common Law and American Equity Law (legislated acts; statutes).
U.S. Constitution, Article III - Section 2.
"The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law [the Common Law] and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority..."
Under British and American law, unlawfully arresting a person was an EXTREMELY serious offense!!
Around 1670 in Britain the Queen’s Bench ruled that forceful resistance to unlawful arrest by police was a right of the people, even if it such resistance resulted in the death of the arresting police officer (the Hopkin Huggett’s Case). The Queen’s Bench ruled that Huggett’s actions were justified, since a situation in which a "man [is] unduly arrested or restrained of his liberty … is a provocation to all other men of England, not only his friends but strangers also[,] for common humanity’s sake."
In 1710 the Queen’s Bench ruling re-confirmed the Common Law right to forcefully resist an unlawful arrest. Queen v. Tooley (1710). Anne Dekins, who often used rather "forceful language" when coming in contact with Police Officer Samuel Bray, was quietly walking home one daay when Officer Bray attempted to arrest her.Dekins forcefully resisted and screamed for help, resulting in the intervention of a group of men who witnessed the entire incident, led by a man named Tooley. The men confronted Officer Bray and demanded to know what he was doing to the woman. The Officer Bray produced his official credentials and insisted that he was making a lawful arrest for "disorderly conduct." When witnesses to Dekins’ behavior disputed Bray’s description, Bray called for backup.Tooley and his associates ordered Bray to release the woman, and then took physical action to enforce that lawful order. After Bray’s partner was killed in the ensuing struggle, Tooley and his associates were arrested for murder. The trial court threw out the murder charges. Second, since the arrest was unlawful, the court stated that Dekins had a right to resist, using as much force as necessary to maintain her freedom – and bystanders likewise had a right, if not a positive duty, to assist her. Third, it the opinion of the person being arrested and/or witnesses to the attempted arrest who should decide whether an arrest was lawful or unlawful - NOT the police officer. The defendants were eventually found guilty of manslaughter by jury trial, but freed by the court which reversed the jury's verdict as an error under the Common Law.
The court wrote further: Lawless violence against the helpless, even by police officers, "is a sufficient provocation to ALL people out of compassion in any circumstance, much more where it is done under a colour of justice, and where the liberty of the subject is invaded…." and "Such an act carried out by a law enforcement official is nothing less than a provocation to ALL the subjects of England."; and "Every Englishman ought to be concerned for Magna Charta and the laws. And if any one [including a police officer] against the law imprison a man, he is an offender against Magna Charta."
Both cases confirmed the long-recognized Common Law right to resist unlawful arrest (with the lawfulness of an arrest as judged by the people; not by the government agents); and this right applies NOT only to the person being arrested, but also to other people who intervene on the victim’s behalf.
This same Common Law right still exists in America today, provided that one knows how to preserve one’s rights in today’s courts, which means knowing the Common Law and how to maintain Common Law jurisdiction is today's courts - NOT an easy task. In Plummer v. State, 135 Ind. 308, 34 N.E. 968 (1893) the Supreme Court of Indiana reversed a manslaughter conviction, concluding that defendant Plummer had "a clear right to defend himself, even to taking the life of his assailant" who happened to be a police officer without an arrest warrant.
Under the still-controlling U.S. Supreme Court precedent, John Bad Elk vs. U.S,. 177 U.S. 529, 44 L.Ed. 874, 20 S.Ct. 729, (1900) and subsequent U.S. Supreme Court decisions, a man faced with the prospect of unlawful arrest – that is, an armed abduction – has a lawful right to use any appropriate means necessary, including lethal force, to defend himself and maintain his freedom. The U.S. Supreme Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right [to make the arrest, i.e., an unlawful arrest]. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
As in Plummer, the U.S. Supreme Court in the Bad Elk case emphasized that the most important factor under the Common Law for the right to forcefully resist arrest (when no valid arrest warrant has been obtained) is whether that arrest is considered to be UNLAWFUL in the opinion of the arrestee and/or witnesses – NOT the police officer's opinion; and NOT whether or not the police are using or used excessive force!
Clearly, UNLESS they possessed an "arrest warrant", the people who first detained this nurse (presumably the police) and the hospital which kept her confined BOTH violated her rights under the Common Law and the U.S. Constitution - whether they considered it an "emergency measure" or not.
“Necessity and expediency are NOT legitimate excuses for violating the Constitution you swore to uphold and protect – even during a ‘crisis’”. – Alexander Hamilton (1st Secretary of the Treasury under President George Washington)
Note: Oddly enough, it is NOT the various state or federal legislatures through legislation that whittled away this right under the Common Law. Nor was it done by state supreme courts or the U.S. Supreme Court. Instead, this right to “forcefully resist unlawful arrest” (whether or not the arresting officer is using violent methods) was transmuted by lower court judges and juries, along with state appeals courts - with encouragement from law enforcement personnel - who now tend to justify resisting ANY arrest ONLY if the arresting officer has used greatly excessive and unwarranted force.
John-Henry Hill, M.D.
retired physician
Web: http://JohnHenryHill.Wordpress.com
http://andreswhy.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-new-black-death.html
It means small , paranoid , xenophobic communities armed to the teeth
Michigan monitoring 8 for Ebola. They won't say who, where, or why, b/c they want to protect the people's "privacy." (Since when is the govt interested in anyone's privacy?) http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/metro-state/2014/10/28/michi...