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I Pledge Allegiance...
Submitted by The Dissident Dad via Mike Krieger's Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Remember those weird kids who didn’t say the Pledge of Allegiance in school? They either sat down or just stood up silently. I sure do. Most likely for religious reasons, but I remember thinking to myself as a kid that it was wrong not to say the pledge aloud with the rest of us. As I got older in my teenage years, I even felt that those kids were not being respectful.
Some adults may even give them the old, “well, if you don’t like it then you can leave” routine that is mentioned every time a minority opts out of the majority’s way of doing things.
Homeschooling my children will really make this a non-issue; however, my nieces were reciting the American Pledge of Allegiance the other day while playing with my children. In fact, here in Texas the kids recite both the American and Texas Pledge of Allegiance before class.
After hearing them recite it, and of course remembering the 2,500 or so times I said it in my lifetime, I started to think about the purpose and real meaning of this pledge that millions of school-aged children recite every morning Monday through Friday.
A pledge, of course, is a vow, an oath, or a commitment. Allegiance is defined as loyalty, devotion, and obedience. In fact, the antonyms for allegiance are treachery and disloyalty.
Crazy when you think about it, right? Do we really want our kids pledging obedience and loyalty to the U.S. federal government? Especially when the pledge itself is masked with a lie. I mean, it ends with, “with liberty and justice for all.” Now that’s a crock of shit right there. Not one arrest in the financial sector for the 2008 crisis, not one investigation into the 2003 Iraq invasion where no WMDs were found, and a complete cover-up of the events on 9/11, i.e., Building 7. Liberty and justice for all… how about we ask Edward Snowden about that? His patriotic actions were described as treachery and disloyalty.
Nationalism and blind patriotism is crucial in keeping a population dumbed-down and ignorant, which is why if you think about it, pledging allegiance to the government we have today is truly a backwards thing to do. Teaching it to a small child is particularly degrading.
As a dad who is proud of my own liberty, this makes life tough sometimes. Do I teach my kids the truth or go with the flow?
On the surface it seems black and white, but it’s not. Teaching your children about certain truths that make them the odd kid out is not exactly what a parent wants for their child. My wife and I are constantly turning to each other and asking ourselves, should we make a stand on this? Because if we do, it might make it hard for the kids.
A great example comes from a friend of mine with an 11-year-old son who stood up on 9/11 at school and countered the teacher’s lesson for the anniversary and told her about the Loose Change version. It was awkward to say the least. To simply question the events of 9/11 go against the state’s religion of nationalism, so for an 11-year-old boy to bring it up in a classroom…you can imagine the trouble it caused.
Teaching my children about the oligarchs and the current state of our leaders in government is not something that I take lightly. I realize that some of our core values, like the belief in liberty, respect for all life, and individual sovereignty will make them the odd kid out sometimes.
Being surrounded by people who have been taught, just as I was, to pledge allegiance to the state, is the unfortunate reality we are all confronted with. something that is so deeply engrained that the best I can do is teach my children to think for themselves and decide on their own. Figuring out how to best teach my children the danger of such blind allegiance is without a doubt the most difficult task I face as a father.
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Same reason I don't pray.
America and the federal government are two different things- you can love the former, but the latter is our enemy.
Elsewhere- woman's catcall video overshadows boring election, but now she's getting threats:
http://tinyurl.com/q7vn5o6
Pledge allegiance to a Zionist controlled empire.
I read a science fiction story about that a long time ago, and I quite. It was about 1970. I was in 7th grade. Vietnam was happening, My Lai was about to hit the news. I was living on a Marine Corps base, like I always did. I just stood there and didn't say the words ever again.
Should be pledging allegiance to the Constitution, not the freaking flag (especially that yellow fringed one).
We are all sovereign.
We are each sovereign.
I pledge allegiance to the world, because anything less would be treachery. And to the lifeforms, which are not just human. One love, under nature, indivisible, with peace and anarchy for all.
i never liked the "under god" part because its a lie to shackle mens minds. i still haven't bought the lie, nor have i been proven wrong.
It's not unusual for a "pledge of allegiance", it happens in nearly all countries around the world...
The problem is it makes it so that you feel that you are betraying your country when that very government is betraying you...
Like lemmings off to slaughter....
I pledged allegiance to a republic, to be be fair. Not this.
I was thinking the same. More specifically, "and to the Republic, for which it stands". Rather a long time since that has been true? Wonder if, in fact, it has been true in our lifetimes?
“well, if you don’t like it then you can leave” routine.
People who say this might as well have an "I am a stupid slave" neon sign on their forehead.
Care to discuss it mr minus or are you the hit and run type?
I bet you would have had the same opinion if you had lived in NAZI Germany.
NAZI Germany was a good thing! If your brainwashed mind tells you otherwise then you have been watching too much CNN...
The world has a choice between GOOD Socialism based on Christian values or EVIL elite parasitism based on Jewish values.
Allegiance to freedom, common decency and Socialism is a GOOD thing and basic common sense to all but those that prefer to steal rather than work together with the rest of us.
Allegiance to a Police State, constant bombardment with brain washing propaganda, enslavement, impoverishment and most importantly murdering Gentiles for the Jew World Order Criminal Counterfeiters financing their Military Industrial Complex is a BAD thing that warrants bringing Hitler back to lead we the people to prosperity once again.
WHAT THE HELL? Where are you living Weimar? are you a troll here?
I'd like to kick you in the nuts
Paid distraction.
pledging allegience = crowd control
Crowd control for sure...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1te-laHULI
I pledge my allegience!
ZH has become paid distraction
"After visiting these places, you can easily understand how that within a few years Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived. He had boundless ambition for his country which rendered him a menace to the peace of the world, but he had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him. He had in him the stuff of which legends are made." John F. Kennedy
Always a good read:
Why Johnny Can't Disobey
http://www.wnd.com/1999/03/5833/
Fantastic piece. Thanks for the link.
You're welcome. To me, this is why government cannot ever be good: it is based on the initiation of aggression and that is the "destructive force".
“The ordinary person who shocked the victim did so out of a sense of obligation — a conception of his duties as a subject — and not from any peculiar aggressive tendencies. This is perhaps the most fundamental lesson of our study: ordinary people, simply doing their jobs, and without any particular hostility on their part, can become agents in a terrible destructive process. Moreover, even when the destructive effects of their work become patently clear, and they are asked to carry out actions incompatible with fundamental standards of morality, relatively few people have the resources needed to resist authority."
From the article, Why Johnny Can't Disobey, linked to above:
The Agentic State
A person makes a critical shift from a relatively autonomous state into this agentic state when he enters a situation in which he “defines himself as open to regulation by a person of higher status.” - Stanley Milgram
Unfortunately, a child is born into this agentic state, and almost never lives free of this program.
This fact of life is missing from common sense -- from so-called "cultural correctness" and "social directives".
Slave: a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
Becoming a parent is never equated with also becoming a slave-holder.
Under (their) god = Under big brother
Any "god" forced upon you is no god at all. True gods are conceptual - god of rain, god of knowledge, etc.
Christ or Zionist overloards? Either way the isrealite dominates your life. Live the most moral, ethical, noble life for for the sake of yourself. At the end of the day, who do we look at in the mirror?
The world has a choice between GOOD Socialism based on Christian values or EVIL elite parasitism based on Jewish values.
Allegiance to freedom, common decency and Socialism is a GOOD thing and basic common sense to all but those that prefer to steal rather than work together with the rest of us.
Allegiance to a Police State, constant bombardment with brain washing propaganda, enslavement, impoverishment and most importantly murdering Gentiles for the Jew World Order Criminal Counterfeiters financing their Military Industrial Complex is a BAD thing that warrants bringing The Federal Reserve down to the ground.
American socialism is founded and based on theft. This is why your comments make no sense at least here in the USSA.
I don't believe most people know the history of the "pledge".
http://truthinhistory.org/to-pledge-or-not-to-pledge.html
Statement by the Texan Edward Mandell House (1858-1938) who made secret missions to Europe and helped Woodrow Wilson get elected: Shortly thereafter the Federal Reserve was initiated. House was a close confidant of J.P.Morgan and Rothchild. Rats, all.
QUOTE: "[Very] soon, every American will be required to register their biological property in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattel, and we will hold the security interest over them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading to us will be rendered bankrupt and insolvent, forever to remain economic slaves through taxation, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all, this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debt to the registrants in the form of benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap to us huge profits and beyond our wildest expectations and leave every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call "Social Insurance." Without realizing it, every American will insure us for any loss we may incur and in this manner; every American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and without any hope for their redemption and, we will employ the high office of the President of our dummy corporation to foment this plot against America." [End quote]
In its original form it read:
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
I'm good with that.
Correct, In 1924, the National Flag Conference with the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution changed the wording from "my flag" to "the flag of the United States of America." In 1954, Congress -- with the influence of the Roman Catholic Knights of Columbus -- added the words "under God."
A verse here and a verse there can carry multiple meanings. What is important is the "Pledge" was designed by socialists to carry out Hamilton's desire of a strong central government. IMO, if one is to pledge to a flag it should be their state flag. Substantive rights are to be protected by the state constitutions.
......and to the Republic FOR WHICH IT STANDS....
My parents were called in because I refused (in the fourth grade) to recite "the pledge" with the rest of the class. They simply asked, "He's in the fourth grade! Have you defined to him what he's supposed to be swearing allegiance too?"
The staff were dumbfounded and had no answer.
My parents took me out for an ice cream ;-)
Cool...You, even at such a young age, knew what the Constitution was (instinctually). That really was quite a revelation for me. I wasn't even close to that level of enlightenment at your age. My programming was far more complete (MIC kid, well travelled but totally ignorant). Standing in the middle of a union meeting, listening to hypocrites, at a more ripe older age, years ago, I finally understood the simplicity of your question. "Have you defined to him what he's supposed to be swearing allegiance too?"
The Police State...
You have cool parents.
And INDIVISIBLE, too?
It's not COMPLETELY indivisible.
You can still see it in old John Wayne movies.
Say what you want about sports being circus for the masses. But I love me some baseball. The reasons do not matter why. But the author misses something, perhaps small: This "conditioning" continues well into adulthood. Who hasn't heard the pledge during the 7th inning stretch, right after everyone is told to stand, and thank the two veterans who are sitting in the front row to thunderous applause?
I have had older gentlemen, who could easily be my grandfather, make comments to me because I wasn't removing my hat during the pledge, or didn't hold my hand over my heart.
I always respond with, I am here for the game. If I wanted cult like rituals, I go to a place of worship.
I was going to comment almost the same thing! It's time we applaud peace activists as well.
Pledges mean nothing. Obama pledged to uphold the Constitution with his hand on the bible. How well did that work out?
the pledge is to the REPUBLIC, remember the one ben franklin said "if you can keep it"? maybe now its a bit more like hoisting a beer for my departed dad, but it doesn't make it any less worth doing.
or maybe we should pledge to polar bears, or the commander in chief, or the police state - i'm sure we could think of something more fitting, given the times.
The Empire had already existed for decades by time the Pledge was a thing. The Pledge wasn't adopted until the 50's.
Not quite true. The Pledge Of Allegiance was written by Christian socialist Francis Bellamy in 1892, and adopted in the early 1900's. The original salute given to the flag was virtually identical to the late Nazi (national socialist) salute:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/22/opinion/greene-pledge-of-allegiance-salute/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3a1DEoB59k
Needless to say this caused problems in the late 1930's, and was changed.
As opposed to the Third Reich, whom you evidently favor?
A friend who is a very hot 40ish Korean woman walked past a construction site and got catcalls every day. One day she was walking with a colleague and this happened. The colleague stops and says: let me talk to the supervisor. So he gets the boss and tells him what's going on. Boss is saying OK and smirking until the guy says: that women is the Director of Building Inspections for the City. She never heard anything but a rare "Good morning" after that.
And you know what the shitty part is? While feigning 'disgust' at a bunch of politically incorrect hard-hats, she Loved every fuckin' minute of it and probably fantasized about getting drilled hard & fast by one (or more) of them, while her cuckold metrosexual husband drops baubles at her feet...
Consuelo
" her cuckold metrosexual husband"
You shouldn't talk about yourself that way.
She never feigned anything nor did she ever pull rank, her colleague did.
Jeezus. Where'd that come from? (Is this what they call projection?)
good thing that woman had the heavy hand of govt to weild on people, huh?
Sounded like she didn't.
Besides, the issue is one of respect. Who the fuck are you rooting for here anyway? You make it sound like the story is about the tyranny of the minority.
Ther former never existed except in our minds.
OP is idiocy. The pledge was a commercial attempt to sell flags by an American Socialist who just happened to be a minister. I'll post a quick note on this bullshit shortly but the bottom line is that Francis Bellamy's pledge was a sales pitch and the precursor to NATIONAL SOCIALISM.
Glenn Beck’s Rant on the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance and National Socialism was Spot On
The Strange Origin of the Pledge of Allegiance: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur10.htm
Who cares who wrote it? It's not magic. Who used it and how it was used matters.
Uh base, you might want to actually read history. The man who wrote it and promoted it was establishing a precursor to Nazi ideals. Of course who cares, they didn't REALLY kill all those Jews and Gypsies, right?
Whose history? And what about the 60,000,000 Christians who were "sacrificed".
not to forget more than 27 Million Russians who were killed in Winston Churchills war.
The pledge has accomplished exactly what its national socialist writer and the socialist magazine owners who hired him to write it intended. The aim of the pledge was to create a national identity within the people to further empower federalism as opposed to the limited federal government that our founders had set forth in the 9th and 10th amendments to the Constitution which say that the powers not specifically granted to the federal government are to remain with the states and the people. The word "indivisible" is the one I find most offensive because I believe the states should be able to secede if the federal government usurps the powers that were to remain with them and the people, which it clearly has over the years.
Since you think who uses the pledge and how it's used is important, lets look at that. GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS force kids to stand and mindlessly recite the pledge every day starting at a very young age without explaining to them who wrote it or why. This is nothing more than indoctrination/brainwashing. The government schools are encouraging unthinking, unquestioning loyalty/obedience to the state, which makes it much easier for the government to create an us vs. them mentality within the public to support its endless wars and the military industrial complex.
To me, we should all hold fast to the principles set forth by our Founders in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, which put in writing our God-given/natural rights to individual liberty and built a framework for a government in which power would remain in the hands of the people, rather than the federal government.
Most people don't know the origins of the pledge or that so many people were against it when it was first written. I forsee the same thing happening with Common Core. Today people are against it and know all of the things wrong with it. The people are fighting it, but the left/progressives always hold out. Eventually, common core will be just the way it is. In the future, people like you who don't know its hisotry will say, "who cares?"
"the pledge was to create a national identity within the people to further empower federalism as opposed to the limited federal government that our founders had set forth"
While it seems counterintuitive, federalism is synonymous with limited central power. For example, Ron Paul has often supported federalism in suggesting that the states should have jurisdiction in such issues as abortion and drug use. Also see:
"Federalism: Political system that binds a group of states into a larger, noncentralized, superior state while allowing them to maintain their own political identities. Certain characteristics and principles are common to all successful federal systems: a written constitution or basic law stipulating the distribution of powers; diffusion of power among the constituent elements, which are substantially self-sustaining; and territorial divisions to ensure neutrality and equality in the representation of various groups and interests."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/federalism
Ron Paul lost the bet with Mises. The bet that he made when he still believed what you are saying.
Can you flesh that out a bit?
I could have my terminologies mixed up, but wouldn't ANTI-federalism be the system most conducive to limited central power? Was this not the philosophy that Jefferson advocated, as opposed to say Hamilton, who was greatly desirous of a federalist system (strong central government)?
Yes, you have that right. Hamilton was a manipulative piece of crap.
LOL, yeah I tend to think of him as Alexbanker Hamilton........
OT, but how does one get an animated avatar to work on this site? I've seen a few people manage it, but every one I try just shows up as a still image?
"I pledge no allegiance to your flag" - Tesla , Freedom Slaves
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnOJXTH6ggA
Great band. You ommitted the song that preceded Freedom Slaves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNVQ-Ns0huE
This isn't the United States you were looking for....
Same reason that I do pray...
"A pledge, of course, is a vow, an oath, or a commitment."
That's being kind. It's a chant.
...to the flag of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands. One nation, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
Now: I send a junk tweet, to the Corporation of the shattered shards of america. And the banana republic, for which it stands, one hope and change, with burrito and sundae coverings for all.
To me, the pledge is an aspirational statement of all we desire to be, not what we are. Would we be more comfortable pledging our allegiance to murderous profiteers bent on world domination? I'll pledge to be the best person I can with special consideration to the constitution of our country. It just sounds like a country full of nihlist shits sometimes. Like it or not our country is all of us, not just a handful of shits at the top. No, there should never be blind allegiance, but we need allegiances to survive. This is not a world of lone wolves anymore. We must have common goals and values if we are to have a society.
So then say a pledge to be the best person you can be. Pledge allegiance to god if that's what founds you. Pledge allegiance to yourself if you have no god. Why would you pledge allegiance to a man or group of privileged elite? Are they better than you? Would they die for you and yours? Need, next you'll be telling me to vote for these @ssholes.
I tell you the truth and that makes me your enemy?
Hmmmm I think that's galations 4:16
Under God?
Which Guy in the Sky?
If you feel you "must", pick... god Kirk. You won't regret it.
You shall have no Starship Captains before me.
You shall not bow down to Clingons, nor do commerce with them.
You shall have allegiance and loyalty to your own Tribe.
You shall not permit Usury or fiat money.
I'm afraid you have it all wrong, Mister Spock, all of you. I've been monitoring some of their old-style radio waves, the empire spokesman trying to ridicule their religion. But he couldn't. Don't you understand? It's not the sun up in the sky. It's the Son of God.
Faith no more. No praying nor pledging allegiance to a country with js firmly holding the levers of power
why all the hate .... just do the pledge .... do it ... DO IT ... DO IT you vile scum!!!!
HJ, I got it.
You got a handjob?
Do you remember when teacher said to no longer use the Hitler salute? This was 1942 in USA:
http://www.theautomaticearth.com/debt-rattle-10-2014-they-snuck-in-eurobonds-through-the-backdoor/
Back to the future. Are we there yet?
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Sorry ZHers...but this is a beautiful idea of what America once was,
I pledge to this aspirational ideal.
The fact that so many deride this great pledge on ZH reveals this place kinda sux sometimes.
No one said it until the mccarthy era, and precisely for that reason.
A time when our country was coming under attack. A time when we needed solidarity against those who sought to dissolve this nation into what we now see as a reality. A baseless, rudderless country with no moral compass. America is melting into a morass, and we seriously believe that our problem is a pledge of allegiance? Its working beautifully. Increasing more people living within our borders are not citizens and have no real desire to be one, only here for what they can pry loose and send back home. Even more still refuse to vote as they see America as not even their country anymore. But sure, its all us rabid pledgers that are the problem....another real threat to.....what, whom? Has it ever occurred to any of you that it is the America haters that are tearing us down? Those seeking to fundamentally change America. Funny but I have a hard time imagining Obama EVER pledging allegiance prior to holding higher office, and even then I can imagine him pledging to himself as he IS the government in his eyes.
You are a danger because jingoism clouds your judgement. It's pride that drives it.
I threaten no one who does not threaten me or mine. A public pledge IS NOT a binding contract that negates rational thought anymore than owning a gun makes you a killer. Promote those things that elevate and incentivise our best. Without it we are renters living in a trailer park. If you don't like what we have become, change it, but don't discard our best attributes because of our failures. We a should all hope to live in a society where we are proud to pledge our allegiance, always with open eyes.
Open your eyes. You say the pledge. You fight the war. You kill the man. Who exactaly are you pledgeing too? My country? Like there is such a thing! You pledge to the owners, slave.
I agree with the sentiments...
But, I wonder if that place ever existed. You mentioned, "changing america" in a previous post. What is your anchor for that statement? The 50s? The 60s? The late 1800s? What are we trying to get back to? I'm just curious, did you live during the perfect time at which America was the best? Or are you going on second hand accounts?
Obama seeks to fundamentally change America. If you don't see it changing, I can't explain it to you.
Reagan forever changed my America when he legalized all those illegals back in the ‘80s.
What makes you think it is not a binding contract?
If you make a public oath and do not honor it, what are you?
Pledges should be against the law or someone should bring out the small print so people understand it may mean something to another. Best not say it if you don't mean it.
PRIDE !!! There is no danger in the pride. If you think oldwood is a danger, wait till you meet his relatives.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America of once was and to the Republic for which it stood, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
Fixed!
Fixed nothing. It ain't over till the last bitch gives up. And giving up is not in the script, sorry bitchez, I just tell it like it is.
Falling on deaf ears. <Sigh>
GREAT PLEDGE ?? It is the great hypocrisy that is derided , it is the mockery of the ideas that incites such anger and rightly fucking so. It is the lack of individual responsibility and the dependence on the state mentality of the average American that "kinda sux sometimes".
The pledge is a FRAUD
ACCEPT it and move the fuck on pilgrim.
Start by replacing "flag" with "Constitution." Still needs a lot of reworking even then.
I don't pledge allegiance,
to the flag,
of the Police States of America.
And to the former freedoms
for which it ignores daily,
one nation my ass,
mocking God,
with liberty and justice for
corporate and political elite,
fuck the rest of us.
I'm sure others can do better.
I pledge resistance,
to the fags,
of Politically Correct America,
and to the fascists,
for which it stands,
one corporation,
under Mammon,
completely corrupt,
with serfdom and injustice for all but the elite.
I remember when you could get paddled in school. Some how everyone was happier then because the dumb sh@t got the crap beat out of them for causing trouble in class.
That was easy. If your not willing to get ruffed up for what you believe in what good is your conviction?
I pledge Allegiance to the flag
of the Zionist controlled United States
and to the Republic for which they killed,
one neo-con nation under God, shattered,
with Liberty and Justice for none.
An American, not US subject.
and one neo con nation under satan. Fixed it for ya
I Kept "God" in there, because if one were to research the pledge they would see that it is really an evangelical Christian, and neo-con, pledge to the United States government. Government, all government, is the most vial and evil imposition of Satan on the planet; the universe.
So the the pledge is really an admonishment that all embrace the officially sanctioned god and subjugate themselves to Satan, the DC US government, or suffer god's wrath via the DC US government.
Or put another way: I wonder what part of the last, say 13 years, has been the DC US' God's work?
An American, not US subject.
The original Pledge of Allegiance was written by Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, in August 1892. The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. In 1892, Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his Pledge of Allegiance.
https://www.sos.wa.gov/flag/pledge.aspx
I pledge allegiance to The United States of Whinny Bitches, you voted or did not vote for this
we are responsible for this shit, finger pointing whinny fucking bitches.
As for me i still say the pledge as to what is America's POTENTIAL could be if it was not for whinny bitches.
Anyways gotta pour drinkypoo.
http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2008/11/interview-with-yuri-bezmeno...
Wake up, sleeper, rise from the dead
I remember being in kindergarten and wondering: what's a "forwitchit?"
...And to the Republic for which it stands....
I had to force myself to stand up the last time the "Pledge" was invoked at work.
My mom never stood up for the national anthem at ball games. She was the only one as near as I could tell. I asked her what the deal was.
I just wanna sit down and smoke my cigarette in peace without your father waving his hands in front of my face.
Of course, this way back in the day when smoking was cool and being an asshole was in vogue.
I don't understand the point of the pledge. Are they not aware that spies can say the pledge without bursting into flames?
The Pledge is goose stepping bullshit. If one wants to do a patriotic pledge then at least do it to the Constitution, particularly the Bill of Rights. The Constitution wasn't (isn't) perfect, but neither are we or the Founders, and they are the rules that the nation is supposed to run on. I doubt if 20% of those taking the Pledge have ever even read the Constitution or even the Declaration of Independence. I doubt if 1% have read the Federalist Papers. The Pledge is an insult to most founders' Enlightened intent. More people need to see the Depression Era photographs of public school children giving the old stiff arm salute to the flag.
http://rexcurry.net/pledge-allegiance-pledge-allegiance2.jpg
Times change. Educate your own.
You can't teach an old dying dog new tricks. Fuckers should be pledging anarchy.
Knees bent , arse out. rah rah rah!
Now here is a pledge that I wrote and can get behind:
I pledge Allegiance to my countrymen,
their unalienable rights untreaded upon.
And to the Constitutional Republic Restored,
one country of individuals together,
there god kept to themselves.
With Life, Liberty and Justice for all.
An American, not US subject.
Puored another drinkypoo, And Fuck Yeah!
Growing up is tough enough as it is without the added burden of ideologies or being picked on for being different. Just as "Dissident Dad" eventually came to his senses, if the apples don't become rotten to the core after the fall, they will find their own way to the truth of things, or the truth their minds are most comfortable with.
Sure, your child might one day confront you with bitter accusations about why you didn't tell them all about it from the start, but that's marginally better than setting up your kids to be scarred for life by insults and bullying for being "a traitor". If this pretty horrific brainwashing is the norm in your neck of the woods, then going with the flow might be the best for your kids. Only you and your children will know when the time for "Truth telling" might be appropriate to enhance their development into high functioning adults.
It's a difficult dilemma. I don't really know what would be the wisest course of action, but I do know that it is the duty of the parent to protect their kids at all costs. How that fundamental ethos should be applied in this case is the problem. Protect them from brainwashing? or Protect them from becoming social pariahs?
You lost, Bobby! You are the last winner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Xtk7ALaUI
You have a real point. Our duty is to protect our children and there are too many out there that would do them harm, psychologically or physically, if they don't play the game.
My son is gay. He used to take a bus to visit me. He is not very street smart, not like his old man. I see what prejudiced people can and will do.
I told him, "I love you son, for your own good, don't let on you are gay in those bus depots. Some of the scruff that are there will have no trouble ganging up on you and leaving you for dead."
In the end, I only want him to be the best he can be and a 'good' person, if that makes sense.
Thank you for your condescending attitude but don't bother. Rather. We felt sorry for our cannon fodder friends. Never said that god damn pledge. Never will.
What is the Loose Change version of 911?
youtube has it 24/7. Also check out the AE911 truth "full disclosure" documentary, and do a search in your browser for Dr. Daniele Ganser's 9/11 lecture from Basel University.
Thanks bro. I am a big fan of Septemberclues.info because it is extremely thorough.
Dear Dissident Dad, It was not difficult for my husband or me to teach our children what is real and what is not. Because neither of us ever believed in the "Pledge of Allegiance" or any other propagandist tools which public schools seek to brainwash kids with. When they would come home with wrong factual information from school - and this was particularly prevalent in "history" courses - we would simply pull out one of our hundreds of books - yes we are lucky to have a huge collection of fiction and non-fiction reading material - and show the kids who would then cite it, take the cite back to school and embarrass the teacher, privately. I would like to genuinely thank my parents for providing my late brother and myself with these books and for giving us intellectual curiousity through conversation and story-telling. I just learned hours ago that my 77 y.o. mother is dying and I will miss her terribly, so I'd like to publicly thank her for being a woman with little money and lots of guts. Gots to get to NC quick, so see ya soon! Don't give up, Dissident Dad. You can do it.
I agree. It pisses me off when people tell me "thanks for your service". WTF!!!! I wasn't serving you!
I wanted to, really did, but was bamboozled into "being all I could be, for the future" and serving the MIC. Now I don't wear silly costumes, try to help people, and am trying my hand at becoming a farmer.
Real farming is hard work to get started though (permaculture - no pesticides, GMOs or any bullshit)!
Peace!
Liberty and Justice for all is a fraud. In the Second Federal Circuit Courts, many cannot name one honest judge. The pledge is a ritual one does to fool the system. You owe no honesty to the malfeasant.
Pledges and oaths are dogma. Who in Congress or the Whitehouse lives up to theirs?
We used to have to sing God Save the Queen before class in school when I was a kid in Canada.
Even then, I thought to myself, why are we doing this? In those days the principal would use a strap on non conformists.
We do everything possible to annihilate critical thinking and being free.
The USA is no different than most individuals, say one thing and do another. People and countries have a hard time being honest. It is just like national anthems, pure bullshit.
If I was an American I would pledge allegiance to the flag, Constitution
[Americans have a strong Constitution], and the country, as well as 'we the people'. There is nothing inherently wrong with respecting one's country
of origin and the land one is born in. Misplaced patriotism is understood for what it really is IMHO. It's okay to love the USA and the people, but it ain't okay to abide by hate, war, and agression towards others. Introspection
on the part of Americans is now necessary for all who hope to survive current administrations and PSYOPS campaigns, propaganda, and QE Infinity loop.
my dad went snorkling and dug up some american flag and $20 bucks from the bottom of CDA lake when I was a kid we ate pizza for free that nite
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and I put the flag in my room and said the pledge every morning
The Nazis pledged too. Their leaders were serial killers.
Watch who or what you pledge to. Better not pledge anything, God may be watching...
Jesus Christ was politically incorrect and a non conformist. A great role model. He had no problem saying what was on his mind and I don't think he would pledge allegience to any man or country including Israel.
He had his priorities right.
Its so hard to actually think. Yes the Nazis pledged, so I guess we are all Nazis if we pledge. It amazes me the generalizations we see here. Just fucking think people. You don't have to say a pledge to prove your brain is dead, lots walk the streets everyday pledging to nothing, yet effectively herded like sheep. A pledge is not a problem unless you stop thinking about what you are saying and who you are following. Which of our current statists are pledge makers? We have a significant number of people who are followers of Obama, no pledge needed. But cling to the idea that its our pledge that is the real problem.....or threat as some would have it. If we are so fucking stupid that a pledge to our flag will lead us of a cliff, then nothing will save us.
I wasn't implying that people who pledge are Nazis.
However, it is more than a truism that no man or government can be trusted. A nation is many things to many people. To some it is the land itself. To others it is the people. To others it is the 'law' or 'foundation' which are both man made.
The problem with oaths or pledges, many feel forced by peer pressure or worse to repeat something they do not believe in. It may make some autocrats feel good watching everyone with their hands over their hearts, but what good is it to anyone who really does not want to participate but do not have the desire to be the odd man out and having everyone looking down their noses at him or worse.
So can you understand why I never said the pledge why my wife never said the pledge why my kids never pledge and why my people never say a pledge in any country of this world?
We do NOT owe our allegiance to a government of men. They presume airs that they do not own. Hitler tried to force the point and was dispatched. If you say allegiance you are fully sharing in the guilt of those you pledge to. Do you accept that bloodguilt?
Kids need to be reciting this:
"I pledge allegiance, to the trampled flag, of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it used to stand, one nation, indivisible, when it returns to liberty and justice for all."
OR, I don't pledge, to the gold fringed flag of Admiralty, or to the Corporate UNITED STATES, from the lost Republic of those self determined individuals who braved the ocean to escape tyrannical opresssion, who tried to form an indivisible Nation, but were usurped by global elite banksters who wanted a slave species under debt and NO liberty or justice for anyone....
Pledge of allegiance isn't so bad -- I mean we have self government and a constitution, so the pledge was for continuation of individual soveriegns and self determination. It's really a plege to ourselves not to undermine those ideals. It is not a pledge to a dictator or Karl Marx.
There are those that will say those ideals were lost a long time ago by corruption and deceit. True, which is why it is that much more remarkable that some things are still there and remain pure. If it wasn't, the socialist authoritarians wouldn't be attacking it.
I pledge allegiance to myself, with liberty and justice for all.
Fuck blind patriotism.
Since I posted what university I went to I figured I had better look up some stats on it. It's more about the agronomy thing than anything else here but the numbers should alarm you all. Sure my school only ranked 17th but I graduated 14 years ago and have stayed in the "industry" if you want to call it that.
Not many people want to go into agriculture. You have to fucking eat don't you? I can't get a job but I always have one. The numbers do not add up here. We are really fucking ourselves. I am dispensable now I guess. I doubt that I would make much of a Wall Street trader. These assholes do not even put in an eight hour day.
I did not see Harvard or Princeton listed.
If you are a white male, go into agronomy. Those programs are languishing from lack of interest. I'm planning on making a career change asap into agronomy. Several universities offer online masters programs that are very reputable.
I just wanted to add that it is a good hard science to get into. The "green" revolution is far from over. If you ar eopposed to GMO's, there is still plenty of other areas to get into in agronomy and crop science. I've done crop breeding, transformation, pathology, marker discovery, and herbicide development. There are always more problems to solve.
Marker discovery? That is Monsanto all the way. Gel electrophoresis plays it out and you can see the marker gene. Anything crossbred and you are fucked. You can't even grow your own corn in your field. If anyone has an open pollinated plant in their garden they could be sued and they would be fucked in a court of law. People do not realize this but it is true.
Plant patents were not meant for that sort of shit.
Well thanks for confessing your ignorance. I'll hold my breath and wait to talk to educated people on this subject...
I'm not sure what "Students" means in those charts. It certainly isn't the number of majors currently enrolled.
I think back to my elementary wonder years; every morning class began with the P of A. I didn't even know there wasn't a "Republic", all those years while being programmed. No wonder I turned out the way I did.
Hedges: And also I just want to make it clear that you are very aware, especially in Politics and Vision, of the hesitancy on the part of our founding fathers to actually permit direct democracy. So we’re not in this moment idealizing the system that was put in place. But maybe you could talk a little bit about that.
WOLIN: Well, I think that’s true. I think the system that was consciously and deliberately constructed by the founders who framed the Constitution—that democracy was the enemy. And that was rooted in historical realities. Many of the colonial governments had a very strong popular element that became increasingly prominent as the colonies moved towards rebellion. And rebellion meant not only resisting British rule, but also involved the growth of popular institutions and their hegemony in the colonies, as well as in the nation as a whole, so that the original impulses to the Constitution came in large measure from this democratizing movement. But the framers of the Constitution understood very well that this would mean—would at least—would jeopardize the ruling groups that they thought were absolutely necessary to any kind of a civilized order. And by “ruling groups”, they meant not only those who were better educated, but those who were propertied, because they regarded property as a sign of talent and of ability, so that it wasn’t just wealth as such, but rather a constellation of virtues as well as wealth that entitled capitalists to rule. And they felt that this was in the best interests of the country.
And you must remember at this time that the people, so-called, were not well-educated and in many ways were feeling their way towards defining their own role in the political system. And above all, they were preoccupied, as people always have been, with making a living, with surviving. And those were difficult times, as most times are, so that politics for them could only be an occasional activity, and so that there would always be an uneasy relationship between a democracy that was often quiescent and a form of rule which was constantly trying to reduce, as far as possible, Democratic influence in order to permit those who were qualified to govern the country in the best interests of the country.
HEDGES: And, of course, when we talk about property, we must include slaveholders.
WOLIN: Indeed. Indeed. Although, of course, there was, in the beginning, a tension between the northern colonies and the southern colonies.
HEDGES: This fear of direct democracy is kind of epitomized by Thomas Paine,—
WOLIN: Yeah. Yeah.
HEDGES: —who was very useful in fomenting revolutionary consciousness, but essentially turned into a pariah once the Revolution was over and the native aristocracy sought to limit the power of participatory democracy.
WOLIN: Yeah, I think that’s true. I think it’s too bad Paine didn’t have at his disposal Lenin’s phrase “permanent revolution”, because I think that’s what he felt, not in the sense of violence, violence, violence, but in the sense of a kind of conscious participatory element that was very strong, that would have to be continuous, and that it couldn’t just be episodic, so that there was always a tension between what he thought to be democratic vitality and the sort of ordered, structured, election-related, term-related kind of political system that the framers had in mind.